At his point we'd all be better off if their planes just crashed into each other

[Scarfather]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/06/politics/main4073609.shtml

Deep fucking sigh.

[someguy]

The most depressing part about this thread is the Head of State reference.

[electriclite]

GOD MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ok,ok,ok Clinton is projected to win, but not all votes are counted yet, and Obama was behind by VERY little in Indiana. They haven' even counted the votes in Bloomington, which is a college town.

[Scarfather]

The most depressing part about this thread is the Head of State reference.

I actually had to look that up, and nothing came up Googling it, and being that I haven't seen that film, any similarity is a repulsive coincidence.

My thread title still stands, some shitty Chris Rock film from ten forevers ago notwithstanding.

[someguy]

The most depressing part about this thread is that I remembered a specific quote from Head of State.

Fixed.

[jolanar]

Fixed.

Self burn!

[jeo4]

At a rally in Indianapolis, Clinton said that her Indiana victory had "broken the tie."

"And thanks to you, it's full speed to the White House," she said to the cheering crowd.


I hate this double talking bitch with every breath I take.

[someguy]

Well even with over 90% of the results from Indiana the gap between Obama and Clinton is getting smaller. Right now it's 49 for Obama and 51 for Clinton so he jumped up 2 points from earlier. Either way this was a great night for Obama.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

I would rather be waterboarded than continue to deal with this neverending cycle of doom. It's lost all the spirit and fun it had earlier in the year. With Obama and his message of hope and even Clinton not seeming so bad, it seemed like this would be a year of great things on the horizon. But the last month or so has been nothing more than this stupid crap with Obama's jerkoff minister that was an interesting story for about a day and then it turned into the Blob. Meanwhile, when it comes to race people are "staying home."

[Elgyn]

Let Hillary keep going and make an ass of herself. Who cares.

When it`s all over, Obama will be our next President. Mark my words - I`ll bet $$$ on it.

Hillary will refuse to back down until she`s forced to, because she`s such an egotistical and stubborn BITCH..........but in the end, Obama will get the nom.

And when the general election happens (which will be even MORE of a circus, just watch), Obama will win. John McCain is a joke. Republicans don`t want him. Democrats will vote for a Democrat over him.
John McCain could run against himself and probably lose.

Obama is our next President, and I bet in the final election many Republicans won`t even vote to make a statement.......which will make Obama`s victory even easier.

[Cop No. 633]

It's over for her. I don't care what the media says that she barely has a fighting chance. It's fucking over and the woman needs to admit that she lost. If the roles were reversed, the media would be constantly saying that he has lost his chance, he can't win, but because it's "Clinton" they give the benefit of the doubt over and over even though she's clearly lost it.

I'm very happy about this. I don't care what the media thinks, she's done for. She barely won Indiana by less than 2 points. You're outta here! Don't let the door hit you on the way out! Thank God you don't have another chance to run. :)

I don't believe McCain has it in the bag at all. He only got 78% of the vote in Indiana and 74% in North Carolina. And he's the NOMINEE. That's good news. That's 22% and 26% of Republicans who wouldn't even vote for the nominee. Maybe they might wise up and vote differently come election time.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

I don't believe McCain has it in the bag at all. He only got 78% of the vote in Indiana and 74% in North Carolina. And he's the NOMINEE. That's good news. That's 22% and 26% of Republicans who wouldn't even vote for the nominee. Maybe they might wise up and vote differently come election time.


Well this makes me optimistic for different reasons. McCain might have been the best candidate in his race, an appalling fact to have to deal with. When they asked the Republican candidates to raise their hands if they believed in evolution, he kept his down, and that automatically makes him a far better candidate than past candidates. I don't like him, and I'm not sure if I ever have, but the fact that they came around to nominating him against the Coulter/Limbaugh favored candidates already says something positive.

There are two kinds of Republicans now: neocons, who are mainly concerned with constantly building up the military and the "values" voters, who actually believe that there is a secret war being waged on America's families. The latter seem to be the twenty percent voting against McCain now.

[Cop No. 633]

Well, let's hope they either stay home election day or they get smart and vote for Obama. Even a mentally challenged person could see that Bush's policies have hurt this country more than any other Presidency in the last forty years. But I suppose even a mentally challenged person is more intelligent than a Right wing fundamentalist.

[TheAxeGrinder]

The media is against Obama because they're scared of Hilary (who wouldn't be?), bar none.

[someguy]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/07/democrats.race/index.html

UGH

[MadsenOMC]

There are two kinds of Republicans now: neocons, who are mainly concerned with constantly building up the military and the "values" voters, who actually believe that there is a secret war being waged on America's families. The latter seem to be the twenty percent voting against McCain now.

They are often one and the same. McCain already has the neocon, military builder thing down. Now he's pandering to the values crowd with speeches about the judges he'd nominate for the Supreme Court. He doesn't even resemble the man he appeared to be back in 2000.

[electriclite]

They are often one and the same. McCain already has the neocon, military builder thing down. Now he's pandering to the values crowd with speeches about the judges he'd nominate for the Supreme Court. He doesn't even resemble the man he appeared to be back in 2000.
That's because he's a lot closer to the White House than he was in 2000. Its the rule: The closer you get to the White House the more compromised you become. Its like a carnival ride, except you have to be "This LOW" in order to get in.

Being the "Maverick" doesn't get you elected President. Acting exactly like the asshole who got elected before you does.

[MadsenOMC]

Yeah but he was pretty close in 2000, at least to being the nominee of the party that eventually won. He won New Hampshire and was doing well until the Rove Machine took over in South Carolina. McCain didn't seem to be pandering nearly as much during that time. After all that's when he called people like Falwell "agents of intolerance," or whatever it was he said.

[The Heart Collector]

When they asked the Republican candidates to raise their hands if they believed in evolution, he kept his down, and that automatically makes him a far better candidate than past candidates.

did you type this incorrectly?

[Elgyn]

The media is against Obama because they're scared of Hilary (who wouldn't be?), bar none.




Huh? It seems to me the media has been pretty supportive of Obama....except, of course, during the Rev. Wright circus (which has thankfully subsided).

The last couple days all the newscasters have been talking about how Hillary is basically toast.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

did you type this incorrectly?

No. And I don't see how you can argue that this is not an improvement. If you had two candidates who believed in the exact same thing, only one didn't believe in evolution, who would you support? I dare you to argue against this.

[Criminal Rock]

Obama 4 life...

Hitlary doesn't have a chance in hell now, she should accept the length and go away forever.

[QUENTIN]

No. And I don't see how you can argue that this is not an improvement. If you had two candidates who believed in the exact same thing, only one didn't believe in evolution, who would you support? I dare you to argue against this.

Are you sure you didn't type that incorrectly?

I would take you for the science over God type. You're saying it is a good thing that McCain doesn't believe in evolution?

[RicochetShaw]

Why does it matter, at all, whether McCain believes in evolution or not?

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Ah, I did type it incorrectly. I don't proofread, and usually don't read what I've written later on.

Anyway.....

When the Republican candidates were asked to raise their hands if they didn't believe in evolution, he kept his down.

But fuck it. I've changed my mind anyway. I will outright refuse to acknowledge any good in McCain. The man has been a huge support of the worst president in the history of this country. The absolute fucking worst. I think I have the backing of most of you on that one. If America chooses to drive itself further into the ground by someone who had the piss poor judgment to support and endorse such a lousy leader, then America is dead without any chance of resuscitation. It's either Canada or England for me.

[EVILxxx]

He's only supporting Bush to show his detractors that he is loyal to the Republican party because passed actions have shown that he is not. You're essentially criticizing a politician of being a politician. Of course he is old and white which you apparently hate him for as well.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Give me a break. I haven't slept in a while, so I'm prone to angry rants. Still, I don't care for his newfound affection. If anyone's campaign spread a lie about me that I fathered an illegitimate black child (like the color matters), I would hold that grudge to the grave. Politics can make one spineless, but it's not supposed to neuter the said politician.

Of course he is old and white which you apparently hate him for as well.

I'm not even going to ask where you got that from. I think you're reading a little too in-between the lines of whatever I wrote to imply this.

[EVILxxx]

Well McCain can either have his pride or have the presidency and as Ace Ventura once said Pride is an abomination.

I'm not even going to ask where you got that from. I think you're reading a little too in-between the lines of whatever I wrote to imply this.


You've said it a couple times in a few threads and I picked up on it, either referring to McCain or republicans in general.

[electriclite]

He's only supporting Bush to show his detractors that he is loyal to the Republican party because passed actions have shown that he is not. You're essentially criticizing a politician of being a politician. Of course he is old and white which you apparently hate him for as well.
THANK YOU!

[Elgyn]

You know what? I *DO* hate McCain because he`s old. Fuck "Old Man McCain". He can kiss my young ass.
He`ll probably have a heart attack and die before the general election even frickin` happens.

Hopefully when Obama is in office, old people will be either euthanized or sent to work camps.:D:):D:):D:)
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!


But seriously.
John McCain will *NEVER* be President, people.
AIN`T. GONNA. HAPPEN.
Just wait until he starts debating Obama. That`s when it will become very clear to America what a wishy-washy old doucebag he is.

[MadsenOMC]

Sure it is a good idea for McCain to show support for the Republican president. But there is more to it than that. McCain has been one of the most, if not the most, vocal supporters of the Iraq war. Outside of religion, it might just be that he and Bush are very similar.

[electriclite]

Outside of religion, it might just be that he and Bush are very similar.
The day I buy that, is the same day you can get me to buy swampland in Florida as a hot real estate investment.

[MadsenOMC]

The day you buy that McCain is similar to Bush when it comes to their political beliefs? Please provide me with evidence that supports your position that the two of them are extremely different politically. I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. Stick to movies.

[MadsenOMC]

I will answer my own question. We already know that McCain and Bush see eye-to-eye on Iraq and U.S. foreign policy. In addition, McCain just gave a speech about appointing judges similar to the ones Bush has appointed. Also, his health care plan is similar to Bush's. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5741071.html

Finally, this is from a recent MSNBC story about the similarities between Bush & McCain:

Besides the war, McCain agrees broadly with Bush and other conservatives on:

* Abortion. McCain promises to appoint judges who, in the mold of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, are likely to limit the reach of the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion. McCain's record is not spotless on abortion: He said once, in 1999, that Roe v. Wade should not be overturned. But that amounted to a blip in an otherwise unbroken record of opposing abortion rights for women.

"I am pro-life and an advocate for the rights of man everywhere in the world," McCain told the Conservative Political Action Conference in February. "Because to be denied liberty is an offense to nature and nature's Creator."

* Gay rights. McCain opposes gay marriage. True, he does not support a federal ban on gay marriage on grounds the issue traditionally has been decided by states. But McCain worked to ban gay marriage in Arizona. He also supports the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, and he opposed legislation to protect gay people from job discrimination or hate crimes.

"I'm proud to have led an effort in my home state to change our state constitution and to protect the sanctity of marriage as between a man and woman," he told CNN in March. "I will continue to advocate for those fundamental principals of our party and our faith."

* Gun control. McCain voted against a ban on assault-style weapons and for shielding gun-makers and dealers from civil suits. He did vote in favor of requiring background checks at gun shows, but in general he sides with the National Rifle Association in favor of gun rights.

Here is the whole story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24107084/

Do you honestly still believe that politically the two men are not similar?

[Elgyn]

Do you honestly still believe that politically the two men are not similar?



......all the more reason people will NOT vote for him.

[MadsenOMC]

In a recent poll Bush was a bigger problem for McCain than Wright was for Obama, because people associate the current president with the Republican nominee and see little difference between them. And rightfully so, as I pointed out in my last post.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/01/966433.aspx

From the link above:

"on the biggest issues out there -- Iraq, health care, economic policy (especially taxes) -- there is very little room between McCain and the president"

[someguy]

Obama now beating Clinton in superdelegates (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/obama-now-takes.html)

[electriclite]

In a recent poll Bush was a bigger problem for McCain than Wright was for Obama, because people associate the current president with the Republican nominee and see little difference between them. And rightfully so, as I pointed out in my last post.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/01/966433.aspx

From the link above:

"on the biggest issues out there -- Iraq, health care, economic policy (especially taxes) -- there is very little room between McCain and the president"


And in 2000 people "associated" Dubya as being his father. The people are stuuuupid. People will vote for a dead person if they're on the ballot and have name recognition.

The fact of the matter is McCain is getting votes anyway he can cause he knows party voters are lukewarm AT BEST towards him, so he's trying to look as lockstep with the party more now then in his entire career, which includes agreeing with the president. This is of course, as you noted, a dangerous move considering how low the president's poll numbers are.

It'll be an interesting general election watching McCain play hot potato with what he believes and what he has to believe and trying to keep them both straight during debates.


Obama now beating Clinton in superdelegates (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/obama-now-takes.html)


"Ding, dong, the witch is dead! Which old witch? The wicked witch!"

[MadsenOMC]

The people may be stupid, and McCain may be just another political opportunist, but that doesn't change the fact that politically there is very little difference between him and Dubya.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

You've said it a couple times in a few threads and I picked up on it, either referring to McCain or republicans in general.


I know what you're talking about now. I didn't mean it as a reference to McCain or Republicans, just in the traditional sense of The Establishment being represented by old white men.

Just disregard what I wrote last night. While I don't disagree with what I wrote, I've been going on about two or three hours of sleep a night for the last week.

[electriclite]

I'm not arguing that he's not a Republican, of course he and Bush, another member of his party are going to overlap on certain issues. There are certain things he will agree with because that is the party he feels reflects the majority of his beliefs, just not in totality. Just like Joe Lieberman and the Dems.

I don't believe he is perfect, I obviously disagree with his vote on the war, as well as Hillary's. I still respect the fact that he had a history of not always following in blind fellowship of his party.
He was vocal about being against the use of torture on detainees and the proper usage of troops in both wars early on where he directly criticized the president, by the way! And as for his vote against bringing the majority of troops back by July 2007, I support that. I'm against being in this war, but I'm also against a shitty and hasty exit as well. Leaving early just means we'll be coming back even sooner.

The MSNBC article almost entirely quotes him on issues that have been brought to him during THIS presidential election. Politicking much?

The article goes far enough to say that McCain said Roe v Wade should NOT be overturned, but then characterized the statement as amounting "to a blip in an otherwise unbroken record of opposing abortion rights for women."
Yet in the scroll down menu which lists the 10 key Votes of McCain only two cases where he voted "against women's right to abortion" are stated:

Partial-Birth Abortion- No - Fuck, I'm against partial birth abortions!

and

Abortion Clinics-No Now this one I have to fault him for.

Btw, the article does mention he is FOR Stem Cell research.


As for Healthcare, pretty much any other republican was going to use "Bush's plan". A Healthcare system based on the market is the Republican trademark, much like Universal healthcare is for the Dems: BOTH are inherently flawed.


I still stand by my initial statement. You don't go to bed "The Maverick" and wake up "The Model Republican"..... unless you woke up next to your campaign strategist's notes on "How to Win Republican Votes"




Oh, and btw, don't tell me what I should stick to and I won't tell you where to put your opinions.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Well, I'm an environmental/economic voter, so I don't hate McCain the way an anti-war voter might.

[MadsenOMC]

Maybe he never was as much of a Maverick as people thought. Maybe because the media loved him and he could be outspoken at times, the Maverick label came about and stuck. But maybe it was never entirely accurate. As it stands, politically, he is very similar to Bush. It is inaccurate to assert otherwise.