By all means have your fantasies, but don't...

[Orson-Cockart]

state your fantasy as if it actually happend in a film when it clearly only exists in your mind.

A statement from Wikipedia's page for Warlock (1959):

"The relationship between Blaisedell and Morgan is described in the The Aurum Film Encyclopedia: The Western as "perhaps the most open depiction of homosexual love in the classic Western". Other critics agree with this view, pointing out the preference the two men have for silk sheets."

WTF?!?!? I'm presuming the authour of "The Aurum Film Encyclopedia: The Western" fantasised about Henry Fonda and Anthony Quinn, but it simply doesn't exist within the film. Both characters are involved with women and show no desire for one another in that way. Anthony Quinn's character liked silk sheets and paintings...and that makes him gay? no! no! no! Only in the book's author's mind.

Have your fantasies, shout them from the roof top for all I care, but don't be so arrogant to declare your fantasies as actual occurances within film when they only exist in your mind.

[Homyrrh]

Wikipedia. WIKEpedia. WIKI-FUCKING-PEDIA.

[Brendan M.]

Kinda like how Robbins and Freeman were supposed to be gay together in Shawshank Redemption?

[jord2006]

it does annoy me how many films, especially old ones get labelled to have gay subtexts. and the ones ive read in essays ...
-Rebel Without a Cause is gay( sure we all know Plato was gay but the whole film ?)
- Casablanca is gay
- Top gun is gay ( that ones a joke, top gun is so gay )

[miguel_montes]

Or Frodo & Sam in LOTR...

[Homyrrh]

Or Frodo & Sam in LOTR...
Frodo was a legit homo. The whole fucking ring-into-Mt.Doom at the end was seethingly gay...just that face...

[Asa_Phelps]

If liking silk sheets means you're gay then I guess all the guys from Jackass are raging homos.

[Homyrrh]

If liking silk sheets means you're gay then I guess all the guys from Jackass are raging homos.
I hope you aren't implying Bam Margera's marriage wasn't the biggest cover-up EVER...

[EvilHenchman]

Both characters are involved with women and show no desire for one another in that way.

Alas, have we learned nothing from Brokeback Mountain?

[X-Nightcrawler]

Well, according to a schmoe's retarded film class TA, "The Lion King" was full of gay subtext. He reached this brilliant conclusion because, well, Pride Rock is an obvious phallic reference. And every self respecting film analyst knows that a phallic symbol represents homosexuality.

[DarthWade]

Well, according to a schmoe's retarded film class TA, "The Lion King" was full of gay subtext. He reached this brilliant conclusion because, well, Pride Rock is an obvious phallic reference. And every self respecting film analyst knows that a phallic symbol represents homosexuality.

In college I was told that the Road Runner/Wile E. Coyote cartoons were about sex as well - that Wile E didn't want to eat the Road Runner, but fuck him. The teacher's exact words. Oooo-kay. Sometimes I think people read a little too much into things.

[Homyrrh]

In college I was told that the Road Runner/Wile E. Coyote cartoons were about sex as well - that Wile E didn't want to eat the Road Runner, but fuck him. The teacher's exact words. Oooo-kay. Sometimes I think people read a little too much into things.
My provocative, ingenius, and altogether prodigious inclination was that Wile E. Coyote was a paid mascot for ACME's competitor, always revealing the true fallacies and dangers involved with using ACME products.

[someguy]

i always lol at people who say scorpio rising was all gay subtext im like hellooooo did we see the same movie

[X-Nightcrawler]

In college I was told that the Road Runner/Wile E. Coyote cartoons were about sex as well - that Wile E didn't want to eat the Road Runner, but fuck him. The teacher's exact words. Oooo-kay. Sometimes I think people read a little too much into things.A little wrong into things. I'm all for reading deeply in movies for things that might not even be there, or were completely unintentional. It's healthy for the mind as long as you don't revere a movie for some thing you found (which does piss me off, but that's neither here nor there).

It's just retarded when people reach these preposterous conclusions and seem to think they're obvious.

[outsyder]

Well, according to a schmoe's retarded film class TA, "The Lion King" was full of gay subtext. He reached this brilliant conclusion because, well, Pride Rock is an obvious phallic reference. And every self respecting film analyst knows that a phallic symbol represents homosexuality.

It's not really fair to call him that. There are certain things that do allude to homosexual subtext, whether intentional or not. It's all in how you read the film. But since the whole movie is a takeoff of Hamlet, you might be able to take solace in the fact that it's really Shakespeare who's material can be analyzed as such.

And no, the phallic symbol is not exclusively homosexual or heterosexual. Again, this depends on the context. Do I think that the Lion King is overtly homosexual? Absolutely not. But you are being naive if you don't think there can be a homosexual interpretation of it.

[X-Nightcrawler]

It's not really fair to call him that. There are certain things that do allude to homosexual subtext, whether intentional or not. It's all in how you read the film. But since the whole movie is a takeoff of Hamlet, you might be able to take solace in the fact that it's really Shakespeare who's material can be analyzed as such.

And no, the phallic symbol is not exclusively homosexual or heterosexual. Again, this depends on the context. Do I think that the Lion King is overtly homosexual? Absolutely not. But you are being naive if you don't think there can be a homosexual interpretation of it.

Oh I'm absolutely certain there can be homosexual subtext in that movie as there can be anywhere else. I'm saying that the things you said your TA had inferred are definitely not the possible homosubtext. But yes, most people who've analyzed LK have taken a shakesperean point of view for symbols and characters. I do it myself.

It's just weird that he'd go to "Homosexual." when seeing a phallic symbol. Especially in that context. So the king's throne/home is a phallus, I'd first jump to the interpretation of power, the overly masculine or sexist assets of monarchy, etc, etc. Just rubbed me the wrong way.

[blacvaginafinda]

I hear ya.

I remember when There Will Be Blood came out and James Berardinelli claimed that there was strong evidence that Plainview had sexual desires towards that young girl on that farm. There is ZERO evidence to support that, and when I emailed him to tell him.....well if any of you are curious as to what he said, I'll dig up the email.

[AaronisMe]

I'm not sure but I think My Own Private Idaho has some sort of homosexual subtext in it.

[Natty]

If liking silk sheets means you're gay then I guess all the guys from Jackass are raging homos.

Yeah those guys couldn't possibly be gay;)

well if any of you are curious as to what he said, I'll dig up the email.

I'm curious

[Homyrrh]

Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it.

[The Postmaster General]

If liking silk sheets means you're gay then I guess all the guys from Jackass are raging homos.

Well, a combination of silk sheets and being naked with all your friends and smelling their farts...




A lot of those old movies DO have gay subtext because most of Hollywood was in the closet back in those days. They couldn't be as openly flamboyant as they are today, so little things worked their way into the screenplays, the direction, and so on. Granted, I'm sure people do go overboard with analyzing this, probably most people who've recently seen The Celluloid Closet, but I think it's naive to dismiss even a generalization of films from that era. A gay actor forced to tell the world he's straight, no matter how great he is, will have a difficult time keeping his heart from fluttering when that beautiful leading lady steps off frame and his striking young male costar comes galavanting in.

[Homyrrh]

Well, a combination of silk sheets and being naked with all your friends and smelling their farts...




A lot of those old movies DO have gay subtext because most of Hollywood was in the closet back in those days. They couldn't be as openly flamboyant as they are today, so little things worked their way into the screenplays, the direction, and so on. Granted, I'm sure people do go overboard with analyzing this, probably most people who've recently seen The Celluloid Closet, but I think it's naive to dismiss even a generalization of films from that era. A gay actor forced to tell the world he's straight, no matter how great he is, will have a difficult time keeping his heart from fluttering when that beautiful leading lady steps off frame and his striking young male costar comes galavanting in.
If I had any desire to get it up after reading that post, forget it.

Thanks...

[Orson-Cockart]

Kinda like how Robbins and Freeman were supposed to be gay together in Shawshank Redemption?

Andy and Red, was it? well whatever their names, there's at least some -- miniscule -- reasoning behind viewing their relationship as sexual, they were couped up for a long time without female companionship. Even then there's not much substance to that view. In Warlock, there NO evidence, nothing at all, it's like saying Harmonica and Cheyenne were an item...don't even try it ;)

[Homyrrh]

Andy and Red, was it? well whatever their names, there's at least some -- miniscule -- reasoning behind viewing their relationship as sexual, they were couped up for a long time without female companionship. Even then there's not much substance to that view. In Warlock, there NO evidence, nothing at all, it's like saying Harmonica and Cheyenne were an item...don't even try it ;)
That'd be hot. :rolleyes:

[The Postmaster General]

If I had any desire to get it up after reading that post, forget it.

Thanks...


Hey man. I ran tests, and less than .01% of test subjects complained of erectile disfunction when reading my take on homosexual subtext in film. I feel for you brother, but you can't blame me. Have you tried B-5 suppliments?

[Digifruitella]

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