Puppy throwing Marine getting separated

[Moviefan1234]

Source - http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/12/marine.puppy/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A U.S. Marine videotaped throwing a puppy over a cliff while on patrol in Iraq has been kicked out of the Corps, and a second Marine involved has been disciplined, according to a statement released by the Marines.

Lance Cpl. David Motari, based in Hawaii with the 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, is being "processed for separation" and received non-judicial punishment, officials said in the statement Wednesday night. The Marine Corps would not specify what that punishment was because of privacy regulations.

The statement said Motari received the punishment for his role in the "episode which generated international attention."

The incident appeared on the Internet web site YouTube in March, sparking outrage from animal rights groups around the world.

In the video, Motari is seen throwing the dog off a cliff as it yelps.

A second Marine, San Diego-based Sgt. Crismarvin Banez Encarnacion, received non-judicial punishment as well.

Janice Hagar, a spokeswoman for the Marines in San Diego, said Encarnacion shot the video.

Marine officials at the Pentagon would not disclose the severity of the disciplinary action against Encarnacion, also because of privacy regulations.

CNN did not receive a response from the Marine Corps in San Diego to questions about the case.

The statement said the Marines conducted an investigation as soon as the YouTube video came to the attention of commanders.

"The actions seen in the Internet video are contrary to the high standards we expect of every Marine and will not be tolerated," according to the statement.

On the video, Motari smiles as he is holding the puppy and then hurls the dog over a cliff. An unknown person operating the video cameras is heard laughing and another voice saying "that's mean, Motari."

In a statement, the Humane Society of the United States applauded the actions.

"The bad actors in this case have been dealt with by the Marine Corps, which rightly recognizes that harming animals is unacceptable conduct," said Dale Bartlett, the group's deputy manager for animal cruelty issues. "Now, the Department of Defense and the Congress must step up protection from cruelty for all animals under the law governing military conduct."

[Homyrrh]

1. Sorry, but I laughed at the first few words...puppies over cliffs...
2. This somewhat exemplifies THC's argument in the Rupert Everett thread...
3. When do we get to throw animal rights activists off cliffs?

[someguy]

1. Sorry, but I laughed at the first few words...puppies over cliffs...

http://www.beersteak.com/breaking-news/david-motari-us-marine-killed-puppy/

maybe it's still funny now

[Moviefan1234]

1. Sorry, but I laughed at the first few words...puppies over cliffs...


I don't see the humor in an innocent animal getting ruthlessly killed.

[The Postmaster General]

I was about to comment on what assholes the soldiers were until I came across this video response of some dude thinking he's making a good point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgJm5Qq1sUY&feature=related

In case my response gets buried, or marked down to be hidden, here's my comment:

What are you talking about? There's been congressional hearings about the deaths in Iraq. It's the hot issue for the upcoming presidential election.

As for people "rallying around and screaming how unacceptable" the deaths in Iraq are --- Just do a YouTube search for "Iraq war protest"

"Without even talking about it"?? -- It was a major point of the 2004 presidential debates and will be again this year.


Seriously frightens me that this young and well-spoken guy seems to have derived his perspective on important issues based off YouTube comments.

Yes, I know there may be some irony in me bringing this up, but it's not to make issue, just so we all can have a good laugh.

"Why is if puppies get killed people rally around and scream how unacceptable it is, but when a human being dies in Iraq from war, we just let it pass by without talking about it or getting up in arms about it?" --- LMAO!

He thinks he really cracked some sort of fabric in our culture. Jesus Christ, man.

[Vong]

"Why is if puppies get killed people rally around and scream how unacceptable it is, but when a human being dies in Iraq from war, we just let it pass by without talking about it or getting up in arms about it?" --- LMAO!

I think people are crying foul in this case because their cries against the war in general for being, among other things, a disaster towards fellow human beings has been reduced to a dull roar. Now that this ugly case of animal abuse has been brought forward the anti-war protestors have found more ammunition to their cause.

3. When do we get to throw animal rights activists off cliffs?

I'd like to see animal abusers get thrown off cliffs first.

[jolanar]

http://www.beersteak.com/breaking-news/david-motari-us-marine-killed-puppy/

maybe it's still funny now

Yikes. Hadn't seen that before.

Honestly that guy deserves to get thrown off a cliff. Lets see how much he likes it.

[Homyrrh]

http://www.beersteak.com/breaking-news/david-motari-us-marine-killed-puppy/

maybe it's still funny now
I don't see the humor in an innocent animal getting ruthlessly killed.
Was never funny perse, but my immediate thought was almost cartoon-like. The thread title itself was entirely unbelievable until I saw the legit article and video. I read the article, saw video, etc., and realize how serious it is. The chuckle was mostly a reactionary response. It's irrefutably horrifying.

I'd like to see animal abusers get thrown off cliffs first.
True, but PETA often has me wishing ill fates on them. Not their cause I despise but their advocacy.
Yikes. Hadn't seen that before.

Honestly that guy deserves to get thrown off a cliff. Lets see how much he likes it.

Yeah. The nonchalance so evident in his demeanor and expression is chilling.

[The Postmaster General]

I think people are crying foul in this case because their cries against the war in general for being, among other things, a disaster towards fellow human beings has been reduced to a dull roar. Now that this ugly case of animal abuse has been brought forward the anti-war protestors have found more ammunition to their cause.



Yeah, but it's still an odd point that he's making. There's been huge protests for the past 6 years, and he is ignoring that fact totally to make some smart ass point. He's is too - the intonations of words, the way he's mocking people who are upset about the puppy.

Even worse, he's deleted my comment, making no attempt to address the point. I was expecting him to say he was just referencing the reaction on the internet, or something, but no... He just wants to hear how profound he's being. I'm even okay with the point he is making, if it was about like starving ghetto kids or something, but deaths in Iraq is a bad example, especially during an election year.

"What do you think?" is what he asks, but apparently all he wants to hear is the sound of his back being slapped.

I reposted my comment, because I'd seriously like him to articulate this the way you did, Vong. He has a good point hidden there, but he's basically just making fun of people who think it's sucks that marines threw a dog off the cliff.

Just chatting with someone, I came to the conclusion that when this guy says he has a cold, what means is that he's baked out, tripped out of his fucking mind. You would have to be to try to say that no one complains about deaths in Iraq. I'm going to experiment with this concept, and see if that's the case. I'll post the results later.

[someguy]

I see where that guy is coming from but honestly Bubba why do you waste your time on the comments section for Youtube? By now it should be known that Digg and Youtube comments are nothing more than the worst of the worst people, just move on and let that guy think he has something to say. You're just gonna get nowhere.

However I do see where that guy is coming from slightly because once the video was released the reaction seemed to be much more specific and nasty. Within a day people had his myspace (or something like it), his address, phone number, parent's phone number, etc. so it was a pretty immediate reaction against the guy. I guess it's more about how so many people banded together and went after this guy over a puppy but the same amount of effort from everyone when it comes to the body count of soldiers overall doesn't get past a few protests and causes no real solution. Of course there has to be a little bit of grounding in reality since one isolated incident doesn't equal changing an entire war, but I get that he's kind of thinking that if everyone banded together and used the same effort in getting this Motari guy to protesting the war in general something could be done.

Just so you know I'm playing devil's advocate here, I usually don't bother with douchebags on youtube but people pulling out the 'care more for animals than people!' card is a peeve of mine.

[The Postmaster General]

Oh, yeah I generally don't respond on YouTube and even knew the futility of it. Even still - thanks for the gravity of reality. The only reason I hit that response is because he edited it to look like it was the actual video of the puppy (inserting a clip of the actual video into the middle section of his video.)

The only reason I dragged it over here was because I thought it merited some discussion (the intent behind his point...). I agree where he is coming from, in a sense, but it's just such a bad comparison.

It's two totally different scenarios. Citizens have resolved that in our current state, we need to wait through our current administration to move toward preventing further deaths. It's unfortunate, but so is not having a cure for cancer, which no one is up in arms about on YouTube either. There's just not that many videos showing cancer or AIDS killing people. The ones that are there I'm sure all filled with concern.

By in far, people have done more and have made bigger steps toward voicing disapproval of people dying in Iraq than they have toward the puppy. It's here where the whole douchebaggery of things come into play, because while the internet and YouTube comment bars may be groaning loudly over the puppy, it isn't like the Bush Administration or any of the leaders of this war are checking blogs and going, "Oh shit man, people aren't that pissed about Iraq, we better focus on this puppies going off cliffs issue."

The uproar toward Iraq and other major stories can be seen in the issues people are pressing our politicians to address, and how they are going to vote. The last I heard, no one has proposed a "No Puppies Of Cliffs" bill. The soldiers were probably not even punished for throwing the dog, but for fucking around in uniform and posting their shit on the net. The same thing would happen to a McDonald's employee, who was, say posting himself throwing dogs into sewer drains while wearing the dark red Mickey Dee'ss uniform. I didn't recall seeing any criminal charges.

I think people get more riled up and frantic over Michael Jackson or Britney Spears than they do over the war in Iraq. Everyone except people who are old enough to vote, and this guy looked to be at least in his 20s. Apparently he has no problem with these people getting all the YouTube comments, but be fucked if people are bothered by a puppy getting killed. Maybe he should make a point out of a monkey jerking off taking all the real energy away from making change in Iraq.

Sorry man, going off on the whole thing is like riding a tandem bike with Lance Armstrong on meth. Then I just went on a badger tip when he deleted my comment, and probably shouldn't have dragged it over here.

Anyway, I don't think people saying it's wrong to kill puppies really means they think it's okay to kill soldiers. What this guy really should take issue with is the lack of videos on YouTube showing soldiers killing civilians. I'm sure that'd probably get marked on enough favorites to restore his optimism and take the bitch out of his voice.




Does anyone think the soldiers dubbed in the dog yelping? It seems to me, if so, that was another dick move. Actually like two dick moves, because if so, it was done so poorly that everyone and their mother knew something didn't sound right. Not only complete assholes, but bad editors. Shame on them.

[bigred760]

"Why is if puppies get killed people rally around and scream how unacceptable it is, but when a human being dies in Iraq from war, we just let it pass by without talking about it or getting up in arms about it?" --- LMAO!


Probably because the puppy was unarmed at the time.

[CMAGUS]

The way I see it is although whether its an animal or soldier being killed its tragic.However Soldiers are aware of what they may face when the go to war but an animal like a dog is dependent on people and they know no better that dog was probably happy as hell someone was going to pet him or whatever and the fucker ruthlessly kills it for no reason to me that is barbaric.

[KcMsterpce]

He deserves to get a Section 8, dishonorable discharge.

That was heartless and inappropriate. It wasn't self defense, nor was there ANY threat whatsoever from a puppy.

He might as well have taken a 2 year old kid and thrown it over the cliff. It would have made just as much sense.
I'm not big on animal rights activists, but he's just a sad excuse for a human being.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

If he's the kind of person who would kill a puppy, he's probably the kind of person who would kill an unarmed civilian as well. It's not just an issue of whether a puppy is worth getting dismissed over.

[Homyrrh]

He deserves to get a Section 8, dishonorable discharge.

That was heartless and inappropriate. It wasn't self defense, nor was there ANY threat whatsoever from a puppy.

He might as well have taken a 2 year old kid and thrown it over the cliff. It would have made just as much sense.
I'm not big on animal rights activists, but he's just a sad excuse for a human being.
Hmm, Section 8? Mental incapacity? Sounds appropriate.

I thinnk the 2-yr. old child thing is slightly comparable, but obviously would've initiated a grander scale of events...specifically that regarding murder charges.

And I can't stand animal rights activism (PETA, etc.), but the general sentiment is correct, that it is entirely subhuman and inexcusable. THe activism is apart from the cause.

[MISFITS_Fiend]

Probably because the puppy was unarmed at the time.

Yeah...at the time.

You never know if he had an AK hidden under his water dish, though.