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Scarfather

07-09-2008, 05:51 PM

http://gossip.elliottback.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/batman-the-dark-knight.jpg

http://im.rediff.com/movies/2008/apr/29look4.jpg

A slim nine days till this puppy.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dark_knight/

Looking pretty good on RT so far.

I really liked the first one. I doubt it's the cinematic revolution everyone with an internet connection is making it out to be, but I've still got high expectations.

http://filmgrenade.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/dark-knight-rooftop.jpg

http://www.darkknightblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/the-dark-knight-20080428083006072.jpg

Cop No. 633

07-09-2008, 05:56 PM

I can't wait for this one. It will surely be the most adult summer movie to come out. And for that, I'm glad. Besides, this is Nolan... the man behind Memento, Following, and the Prestige.

CyclicNightmare

07-09-2008, 06:25 PM

This thread is too early.

CyclicNightmare

07-09-2008, 06:26 PM

I thought you guys were going to move the epic DK thread in upcoming to here. It's a good idea.

No it isn't.

Raimo69

07-09-2008, 06:26 PM

I thought you guys were going to move the epic DK thread in upcoming to here. It's a good idea.

That is what i thought.

I still hope it does that is a good thread.

MisterTwister

07-09-2008, 06:26 PM

I thought you guys were going to move the epic DK thread in upcoming to here. It's a good idea.

MisterTwister

07-09-2008, 06:27 PM

No it isn't.

Pfffft to you.:D

CyclicNightmare

07-09-2008, 06:34 PM

First of all, this thread is already gonna immediately fill up with pages and pages of posts like this:

"OMFG EPIC BRILLIANCE
Everything about this movie is the best. Ledger Oscar nom. Fanboys. Slurp slurp. Repeat viewings. Seeing it again fo sho. Oldman, so BA. Bale OMFG hot. Maggie kinda hot. Did I mention Ledger? Batpod BADASS. Best part was when SPOILERS END SPOILERS Eckhart really surprised me. Ewwww. Gruesome. Badass. Epic. Win. Best. Movie. Ever. Something something. Cock gobble slurp. Mmmm.
10/10"

Why add another 98492849244 pages of "OMFG I CAN'T WAIT FOR DARK KNIGHT" ?

zombievictim

07-09-2008, 06:34 PM

No need to be an asshole about it.

Scarfather

07-09-2008, 06:37 PM

Considering that something of that nature has never happened before, I can't see why we would start now.

What Cyclic said in nicer phrasing. With a bozo nose.

MisterTwister

07-09-2008, 06:42 PM

Scarfather

07-09-2008, 06:46 PM

MisterTwister

07-09-2008, 06:49 PM

http://www.comics2film.com/g/albums/ok/batman/trl_05/normal_TDK_TRL3_442.jpg

Why so serious?

Too easy.

I can't see the picture but I already assume it's The Joker.

Yes it was too easy but I laughed none the less.

I hope this thread does fill up with fanboy comments. That's what fanboys are supposed to do, celebrate a film, before and after it's released. Let the celebration begin!

Moviefan1234

07-09-2008, 06:49 PM

Get the sand out of your vagina and calm the fuck down.

We don't agree on much, but you know what, very well said sir. I was going to say that same thing. People are going to like this film because it is a great movie, which judging by the early reviews is a very safe assumption. Not that there's anything wrong with the fans saying their shit.

CyclicNightmare

07-09-2008, 06:55 PM

No need to be an asshole about it.
How is saying something that's true being an "asshole." I'm not saying those opinions, when they are eventually and inevitably expressed, will be wrong- just that they will be.
Get the sand out of your vagina and calm the fuck down.
I know it's hard to tell online, but at what point did I seem riled up or angry?

Again, nothing wrong with people expressing their opinions. Just pointing out the inevitable.

MisterTwister

07-09-2008, 07:06 PM

We don't agree on much, but you know what, very well said sir. I was going to say that same thing. People are going to like this film because it is a great movie, which judging by the early reviews is a very safe assumption. Not that there's anything wrong with the fans saying their shit.

Wow. When I saw you had posted something I assumed you were going to castrate me for my comments. Good to see we can agree on something.

There's going to be a shitload of fanboys for this. It's Batman for christ sake. But even without looking at it as a fanboy this looks like a great film. And I've seen non fanboys say Ledger deserves an oscar for this. I can't say that yet since I haven't seen the film but so far it looks like he should.

Cylic, you seemed very upset that there are fanboys for this film and that they're expressing this love for it.

DarkKnight81

07-09-2008, 07:47 PM

Obviously from my name here on joblo, I'm a fanboy. But that doesn't mean I won't point out every single thing I find wrong with the movie.

Nazgul

07-09-2008, 07:49 PM

Obviously from my name here on joblo, I'm a fanboy. But that doesn't mean I won't point out every single thing I find wrong with the movie.

you better!! :p

DarkKnight81

07-09-2008, 08:18 PM

Yeah, if I don't give this movie a 10, I imagine I'll probably give it at least a 9, then list the reasons why it's not a 10...and then get castrated for it. Just like Batman Begins.

axel2k8

07-09-2008, 08:30 PM

Yeah, if I don't give this movie a 10, I imagine I'll probably give it at least a 9, then list the reasons why it's not a 10...and then get castrated for it. Just like Batman Begins.
Anyone who gave BB a 10 had to be kidding themselves. I gave it a generous 8.

echo_bravo

07-09-2008, 08:31 PM

FUck this. It looks like overrated crap. I'll be waiting in line for the Mamma Mia show at midnight.

Le_Big_Mac

07-09-2008, 08:35 PM

I can't wait. This is easily going to be the greatest comic book movie ever made.

Scarfather

07-09-2008, 08:38 PM

I can't wait. This is easily going to be the greatest comic book movie ever made.

I'm starting to believe that as well. I'm not in the cult that's going on about big Oscar nominations, but I'm convinced it may actually end up being the best comic book movie ever.

CyclicNightmare

07-09-2008, 08:45 PM

CyClic, you seemed very upset that there are fanboys for this film and that they're expressing this love for it.
No, didn't mean to come off that way. I love fanboys. They can do their thing. Be happy and merry and all fanboy-y and whatever. I just don't see a need for this thread to be uselessly cluttered with even more pre-release excitement than it already is.

Kings-Rook1

07-09-2008, 09:08 PM

No, didn't mean to come off that way. I love fanboys. They can do their thing. Be happy and merry and all fanboy-y and whatever. I just don't see a need for this thread to be uselessly cluttered with even more pre-release excitement than it already is.

I thought pre-release excitment was the only thing fanboys were good for.

MisterTwister

07-09-2008, 09:28 PM

I can't believe this is only 8 days away. Seems weird.

MisterTwister

07-09-2008, 09:32 PM

Obviously from my name here on joblo, I'm a fanboy. But that doesn't mean I won't point out every single thing I find wrong with the movie.

Same here. I may give it a high rating but I'll people know what I thought was wrong with it.

FUck this. It looks like overrated crap. I'll be waiting in line for the Mamma Mia show at midnight.

I hope your kidding.

No, didn't mean to come off that way. I love fanboys. They can do their thing. Be happy and merry and all fanboy-y and whatever. I just don't see a need for this thread to be uselessly cluttered with even more pre-release excitement than it already is.

Ok, got ya now.;)

Scarfather

07-09-2008, 09:32 PM

This flick is an advertising machine, I've seen commercials for pizza and Comcast. Comcast I tell you! (Argh!)

MisterTwister

07-09-2008, 09:33 PM

DOUBLE POST.

X-Nightcrawler

07-09-2008, 09:37 PM

I thought pre-release excitment was the only thing fanboys were good for.

What about after-release masturbation?
And DVD-release-hype-wore-off "Fine, it wasn't all that."

Tweek

07-09-2008, 09:45 PM

Obviously from my name here on joblo, I'm a fanboy. But that doesn't mean I won't point out every single thing I find wrong with the movie.

That is to be expected of us fanboys/fangirls.

"Worst movie ever! I will only watch it five more times."

Scarfather

07-09-2008, 10:21 PM

And DVD-release-hype-wore-off "Fine, it wasn't all that."

That's my favorite kind. It lets the guys who decided to dislike it before seeing it have a feel-good moment.

X-Nightcrawler

07-09-2008, 10:44 PM

That's my favorite kind. It lets the guys who decided to dislike it before seeing it have a feel-good moment.
I basked on that shit with "Revenge of the Sith" big time.

therealjohng

07-09-2008, 11:03 PM

I'm predicting 27,963 people give this movie a 10 on this board.

AspectRatio1986

07-09-2008, 11:05 PM

Sigur509

07-09-2008, 11:05 PM

I hope I'll be one of them.

Cop No. 633

07-10-2008, 01:50 AM

If this movie sucks I will vote for John McCain and move out of the country.

PR0J3KT M

07-10-2008, 04:12 AM

After well over a year of anticipation its very strange to see this film in the "current" movie talk. I hope everyone enjoys the film and that its all that they expected. Were almost down to ONE WEEK.

yeah..i find it odd to see it under this section each time i log on to this site..o well..all good things must come to an end.

JohnLocke2342

07-10-2008, 04:23 AM

How is saying something that's true being an "asshole." I'm not saying those opinions, when they are eventually and inevitably expressed, will be wrong- just that they will be.

I know it's hard to tell online, but at what point did I seem riled up or angry?

Again, nothing wrong with people expressing their opinions. Just pointing out the inevitable.

dude, we get it, youre the ultimate against the world guy who hates on the people who believe this film will be great. Maybe you have a problem with people crowning their champions early, maybe you have a personal vendetta against batman, or maybe youre a huge spider-man fan and after that piece of shit fest that was spidey 3, you wanna shit on everyone's parade. You sir, need to relax. We get it, you hate the dark knight and can't wait to see it, love it on the inside, but run right home to your computer and post a 5 or 6/10 review of a "mediocore film that didn't live up to the hype". There, I called your next move.

X-Nightcrawler

07-10-2008, 04:27 AM

Cop No. 633

07-10-2008, 04:41 AM

What the?

Cyclic isn't spitting hate at "The Dark Knight"; I'm pretty sure he's mentioned more than once that he's excited for it. He seems to have it against the hype in the boards, not the movie itself.

Unwarranted hype is understandable (like Cloverfield... not talking about the movie, but the hype) but a lot of these "hype" heads have seen Batman Begins. They already feel safe in the arms of Christopher Nolan who has been a great new director since his debut with Memento. It's not like it came out of nowhere. On top of already having been satisfied with Begins, we've been shown nothing but good things about Dark Knight... hell, quite a few people were thrown off at first by Ledger, the new suit and the Batpod, but once you see things in action, it's a different story.

Again, it's a combination of factors with this movie, rather than one reason like Cloverfield which was, "Wow, looks so great, what is the monster?!!" This has plenty of reasons to be excited about. Like for instance, the score already sounds very good from the tracks that have been leaked. That's one aspect that already shows quality.

dellamorte dellamore

07-10-2008, 07:24 AM

If this movie sucks I will vote for John McCain and move out of the country.

If this movie sucks , i'll vote for Obama and move to zimbabwe .

dellamorte dellamore

07-10-2008, 07:35 AM

With a film such as this, considering the anticipation level and expectations , i can easily see why Cyclic is experiencing a bit of pre release hype fatigue .

For almost an entire year now , it's been holy mother of god Tdk is going to own , Heather ledger is Christ reborn , Bale is the best Batman ever , Nolan can do no wrong etc ... . There have multiple posts proclaiming the same thing , with very little in the way of variety , and now , we have another two threads containing the about the same content , so i fully understand his frustration .

I'm looking forward to this just as much as anyone else , and i agree , the way it looks now , it will easily be the penultimate comic book hero film , it does get a bit annoying though when you see the same posts over and over .

That's why i stopped going in the Tdk thread , it became stale after awhile with no new revelations or insights , save for spoiler pics that iv'e managed to avoid for the most part . I don't get that either , why do the fanboys want the film spoiled for them before they see it , i would think a true fanboy would only want to know the bare minimum of details so as to go in as fresh as possible . That's another discussion though .

So , i'm with Cyclic on this one , i'm burnt out on the hype , now i just want to see it and then discuss what i think .

DarkKnight81

07-10-2008, 08:31 AM

11 reviews on Rotten tomatoes and still holding strong at 100%.

miguel_montes

07-10-2008, 08:39 AM

11 reviews on Rotten tomatoes and still holding strong at 100%.

I'm betting the first negative review (here, on IMDB or on RT) will be flooded with hateful comments. You just wait and see.

Shockwave

07-10-2008, 08:46 AM

Itll be something like "..it tries to smarter then it really is.." im betting.

Really, im looking forward to HELLBOY 2 just as much, if not more then The Dark Knight, simply because im not on hype overload like i am The Dark Knight, and it looks like a cross between The first Hellboy and Pans Labyrinth.

..that and it comes out sooner.

Nazgul

07-10-2008, 09:33 AM

This movie is gonna be epic!!

rangerdanger

07-10-2008, 10:53 AM

this is going to be my first movie i'm seeing at midnight in a lon gtime

it looks wicked

SpoonMan999

07-10-2008, 12:21 PM

If this movie sucks I will vote for John McCain and move out of the country.

As much as I want McCain to win I want this movie to kick-ass even more.

CyclicNightmare

07-10-2008, 12:26 PM

What the?

Cyclic isn't spitting hate at "The Dark Knight"; I'm pretty sure he's mentioned more than once that he's excited for it. He seems to have it against the hype in the boards, not the movie itself.
Thank you. Someone who reads.

I'm not even really against the hype. Other people getting (too) excited over a film will not affect my enjoyment of or excitement for that film in any way. I was just pointing out that this thread will fill up quickly with those kinds of reviews. And I see no need to clutter it up even more by the inane idea of merging this thread with the incredibly long hype thread in Upcoming.

Lazy Boy

07-10-2008, 12:32 PM

The hype for this is sorta out of hand, but in a summer deprived of truly memorable moments, I can see why people are starved for something...I didn't like Begins, so this has quite a long haul.

I'm betting the first negative review for this will be well written but timidly so in order not to piss off the rather vocal fanbase...I still bow my head in remembrance of poor Phil Vilarreal's (sp?) evisceration at the hands of RT nuts for not liking Wall-E. Just imagine the unlucky sod who actually (gasps!) doesn't like the film.

The heavy push for Ledger/Joker in the ads over Bale/Batman is understandable -- tragic death + popular villain, plus I think Bale was pretty wooden for half of his work in the first film. Heresy, I know. So, I'm pretty much seein' this out of respect for Ledger, whose performance might be better than the film.

soad

07-10-2008, 12:44 PM

I am SO glad that they didn't show everything they got in trailers. Trailers show up to point where two-face comes to the game, but the movie goes on so long after that.

Nazgul

07-10-2008, 01:28 PM

Theaters are gonna be so packed with audiences. I better go early to get good seats.

Scarfather

07-10-2008, 02:46 PM

RicochetShaw

07-10-2008, 04:54 PM

Quite a few acquaintances and myself all bougt tickets to the midnight showing a while ago. We're all going in suits and wil be continually asking people, "the Lamborghini then?"

Tweek

07-10-2008, 05:00 PM

Quite a few acquaintances and myself all bougt tickets to the midnight showing a while ago. We're all going in suits and wil be continually asking people, "the Lamborghini then?"

If that's true, then I tip my hat to you. :D:D

Jig Saw 123

07-10-2008, 05:01 PM

This movie deserves all the attention its been getting, it as an amazing cast, a director who deserves more recognition and a complex yet dark story. The perfect film for the summer.

poopontheshoes7

07-10-2008, 05:08 PM

I know this arguement is as old as the sun. But are there any Joker purest out there that are 100% against the whole make up thing?

I just read an in depth essay about the Joker from one hell of a fan. He goes into detail about why having dyed skin from chemicals is ESSENTIAL to the character and hoe Nolan fucked everything up.

http://shorttext.com/w8inou

http://shorttext.com/jtyz7m

Cop No. 633

07-10-2008, 06:48 PM

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x53/cosmicpuppet/DarkKnight-1.jpg

I have to say, this is my favorite poster so far. It's got Batman on it but the Joker's touch is all over it without him having to be there. If I could have one Dark Knight poster hanging on my wall, it'd be this one!

JCPhoenix

07-10-2008, 07:22 PM

Completely agree with you Cyclic. There have been some amazing posters but that one tops them all for me.

JCPhoenix

07-10-2008, 07:29 PM

You mean Cosmic? ;)

It's been a long day :p (sorry Cosmic)

I gotta add, I've been listening to the leaked Dark Knight soundtrack and I'm digging the kinda industrial feel of the Joker theme...

RicochetShaw

07-10-2008, 07:30 PM

Completely agree with you Cyclic.

You mean Cosmic? ;)

Cop No. 633

07-10-2008, 07:33 PM

It's been a long day :p (sorry Cosmic)

I gotta add, I've been listening to the leaked Dark Knight soundtrack and I'm digging the kinda industrial feel of the Joker theme...

No problemo. I really love the theme as well. I got a hint of the Kronos Quartet's work on Heat while listening to the Dark Knight score. I can't wait to see it over the images of the film. I think all movie fans (not just comic fans) are in for a treat. If the music matches the film, I expect a brooding film that bleeds with dark atmosphere.

Scarfather

07-10-2008, 07:39 PM

That's an awesome God damn poster. Kind of reminds me of old Lord of War one, with the bullets.

I've got a torrent of the soundtrack downloading right now. I can't wait to hear the Joker's theme.

Bourne101

07-10-2008, 07:46 PM

Cool poster, but not the best of the bunch.

JohnLocke2342

07-10-2008, 07:46 PM

cl0n3b4by

07-10-2008, 07:49 PM

Bourne

On the woodbride Collosus Site: It states that the Imax is PG but the regular showing is 14a

and 3 Imax screenings have been sold out .. insane

On brighter side, I saw the Batpod and Batmobile they are using in the movies today. They look amazing in real life. >_> I want one.

Scarfather

07-10-2008, 07:51 PM

i may be the only one but I'm not a fan of that poster.. at all. I understand it gets the chaos and pure insanity of the joker out there, but it's a bit too cluttered and ugly for me. Cool to look at, but not to place somewhere in my home. My favorite poster by far has to be a tie between batman in front of a burning bat signal on the building and the Batman/joker/dent poster holding something over their right eye.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2924/thedarkknight2008042808gj2.jpg

This is still easily my favorite. It could be attributed to my borderline heretical fetish for motorcycles, but there's just something about the aesthetic I love.

I thought it was going to be the official poster, but with blockbusters these days, you're lucky if a film gets released without a dozen posters to its name.

Bourne101

07-10-2008, 07:51 PM

Bourne101

07-10-2008, 07:54 PM

This would be my personal favorite poster:

http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/412103.1020.A.jpg

cl0n3b4by

07-10-2008, 08:03 PM

Alas I looked at all of them and all are teh same Imax PG and regular 14a.

The best poster is the "world without rules" with the bat symbol burning in the background.

CyclicNightmare

07-10-2008, 08:26 PM

Your insanely overblown jubilation almost makes me want to see the movie less, and I had been really excited about it.
Someone else's excitement really has that much of an effect on yours?

MadsenOMC

07-10-2008, 08:30 PM

Someone else's excitement really has that much of an effect on yours?

And here I thought we'd be on the same side, considering some of your posts.

No, it doesn't. I was trying to make a point. You took me too literally. I'll be more aware of that next time.

PR0J3KT M

07-10-2008, 08:39 PM

Quite a few acquaintances and myself all bougt tickets to the midnight showing a while ago. We're all going in suits and wil be continually asking people, "the Lamborghini then?"

oh. lol.

Mr.HyDe807

07-10-2008, 08:43 PM

One more week baby! One more week!

PR0J3KT M

07-10-2008, 08:45 PM

^^

yes!! i get out of my prelim examn at 5..so just gonna head home, change, and enjoy the movie ive been waiting for since i was a fetus.

Sigur509

07-10-2008, 08:51 PM

This soundtrack really owns. Its the best one I've heard in years(score wise) And its slightly better than ROTK. Jokers theme is fucking epic, and is far better than most of the epic scores in recent memory. I'll just buy them fuckers a oscar, they truly deserve it.

There is a poster at my local theater that is fucking huge and I would do anything to get it. Its the one where Batman, Joker and Dent are holding up their identification. It the best poster since the ESOTSM one. Makes me so excited everytime I see it. I'd put it in my living room that might be batman themed.....No thats ridiculous, but it would be cool as hell.

Jimbo513

07-10-2008, 10:19 PM

the other TDK thread in this section is way, WAY better. damnit. shoulda just merged them and deleted the duplicate first post plot outline thing.

Bourne101

07-10-2008, 10:20 PM

the other TDK thread in this section is way, WAY better. damnit. shoulda just merged them and deleted the duplicate first post plot outline thing.

It was 3 hours too late, even if this one was 3 hours too early. But I guess I can't really say shit because I often open threads early anyway. Glad you liked it though!

Nazgul

07-10-2008, 10:22 PM

If this movie sucks I will vote for John McCain and move out of the country.

Don't worry. You won't vote for McCain

MadsenOMC

07-10-2008, 10:22 PM

But I guess I can't really say shit because I often open threads early anyway.

Repeatedly, so no, you can't say shit. Someone beat you at your own game this time.

Bourne101

07-10-2008, 10:23 PM

Someone beat you at your own game this time.

He did, but he did it just to piss me off obviously. He knew I was going to open one, but he just couldn't stand the thought of not pissing me off.

MadsenOMC

07-10-2008, 10:29 PM

He did, but he did it just to piss me off obviously. He knew I was going to open one, but he just couldn't stand the thought of not pissing me off.

I'm sure you'll survive. There will be other movies to start threads on nine days early right around the corner.

Bourne101

07-10-2008, 10:31 PM

I'm sure you'll survive. There will be other movies to start threads on nine days early right around the corner.

Right you are, Madsen, right you are.

X-Nightcrawler

07-10-2008, 10:35 PM

But don't worry, loyal viewers! In the end, Madsen and Bourne returned to their profound friendship, just in time for their next adventure!

MadsenOMC

07-10-2008, 10:37 PM

But don't worry, loyal viewers! In the end, Madsen and Bourne returned to their profound friendship, just in time for their next adventure!

But of course. Deep down I kid with Bourne only because I care.

CyclicNightmare

07-10-2008, 11:47 PM

And here I thought we'd be on the same side, considering some of your posts.

No, it doesn't. I was trying to make a point. You took me too literally. I'll be more aware of that next time.
Yeah I guess you should.

Hype is getting seriously out of hand though. And I don't care if the movie lives up to it. There is no reason for things to have reached this level. It's completely ridiculous.

Sigur509

07-10-2008, 11:56 PM

Give me a fucking break.

Why does it bother people that others are excited for a fucking movie....in the middle of the summer.....and that movie is BATMAN???

NathanRomano

07-10-2008, 11:58 PM

Can someone link me to the torrent of the soundtrack?

NathanRomano

07-10-2008, 11:59 PM

Nevermind.

Is anyone doing 'Batman' day thursday? We're watching them all, then going to the midnight

outsyder

07-11-2008, 12:00 AM

It's not out yet. The only version I found was tolerable quality, but really not that great. And the last track is fucked up.

Sigur509

07-11-2008, 12:05 AM

I heard it on youtube.

xseanymacx

07-11-2008, 01:06 AM

^^

yes!! i get out of my prelim examn at 5..so just gonna head home, change, and enjoy the movie ive been waiting for since i was a fetus.

Post of the year? I get out of work at 8 pm and driving to the Imax. But I couldn't have said it better myself.

SINCE A FETUS:D

cl0n3b4by

07-11-2008, 01:45 AM

Yes Got one of the tickets

So I will see thursday and friday in Imax :D

SpoonMan999

07-11-2008, 11:34 AM

I get off work at 2:30 but I have to be there Friday morning at 6:00.

Plan is go home and sleep, wake up around 9-9:30ish, get in line while chugging Red Bull, watch movie, chug more Red Bull, and go to work.

bigred760

07-11-2008, 02:19 PM

Get to see it at screening on Thursday at 7pm.

Sweeeeet.

Raimo69

07-11-2008, 02:21 PM

Im seeing it tuesday at 9 hopefully

chinton

07-11-2008, 02:23 PM

seeing it thursday midnight showing at IMAX on Citywalk.

Moviefan1234

07-11-2008, 04:49 PM

the other TDK thread in this section is way, WAY better. damnit. shoulda just merged them and deleted the duplicate first post plot outline thing.

I second that. Bourne has a way with these threads that is second to none. It's a shame he was a few hours too late.

JohnLocke2342

07-11-2008, 05:09 PM

Yeah I guess you should.

Hype is getting seriously out of hand though. And I don't care if the movie lives up to it. There is no reason for things to have reached this level. It's completely ridiculous.

I've never seen someone cry so much about a movie's hype in my life. Come on dude, lighten up.. do you really care how much a movie is hyped? That people are so genuinely excited to see a movie? Is it ruining your day? It's getting annoying as shit to see you post about TDK's hype every day. Just let it be, there's nothing you can do about it.

Cop No. 633

07-11-2008, 05:15 PM

seeing it thursday midnight showing at IMAX on Citywalk.

Hell, I had no idea you lived in the LA area Chinton. Cool shit. I'll be seeing it there the next day at noon. I can't wait. I had to give up my midnight seats because I want to see it with my brother whose coming down from San Fran.

As for this hype business, I don't see what the big deal. The hype is warranted. This isn't like Cloverfield which had zero credibility before it came out and everyone was raving about it like it was going to be the best flick. It turned out to be a decent movie that was nowhere near the hype. This one at least has a film that came out before that many people loved despite what the naysayers think.

As for the whole thread deal, who cares? What was so great about having a thread with 3 "news" posts in a row of what Christian Bale had for breakfast? We're just here to talk about the film and we've been doing just fine so far. :)

ilovemovies

07-11-2008, 05:49 PM

God my local Regal theater sucks balls! They are not having a fucking midnight showing! :mad:

The Time Magazine review makes the movie sound amazing. Not that my expectations were already about as high as they can be.

Scarfather

07-11-2008, 05:59 PM

I'm swamped, so seeing it at midnight is pretty much out of the question. I'll probably catch the 9AM show on Friday before I get to work.

DarkKnight81

07-11-2008, 06:20 PM

The word "masterpiece" is used in almost every review so far. And even the reviews that say it's not a masterpiece, insinuate that it's damn near one.

Scarfather

07-11-2008, 06:43 PM

The word "masterpiece" is used in almost every review so far. And even the reviews that say it's not a masterpiece, insinuate that it's damn near one.

I'm waiting eagerly for that first genuinely negative review so I can grab some popcorn and watch the fanboy bloodbath.

Mr.HyDe807

07-11-2008, 07:20 PM

I'm waiting eagerly for that first genuinely negative review so I can grab some popcorn and watch the fanboy bloodbath.

He or she will probably be referred to from now on as...."oh, its that guy":p

echo_bravo

07-11-2008, 08:16 PM

Well, if I read correctly the critic for Newsweek wasnt exactly raving about it. He said he wished it had more of a sense of humor.

I wont call him a moron but someone should of informed him that its a "crime drama". If he wants cheesy fun...go watch Spiderman 3.;)

And I wont be going to a midnight showing. I got to take with my buddies out to the bars cause its one of their B-days.
Ill have to catch it the next day.:(

DarkKnight81

07-11-2008, 08:19 PM

I'm waiting eagerly for that first genuinely negative review so I can grab some popcorn and watch the fanboy bloodbath.

Oh, there will be blood.

bvis2430

07-11-2008, 11:48 PM

Yeah, if I don't give this movie a 10, I imagine I'll probably give it at least a 9, then list the reasons why it's not a 10...and then get castrated for it. Just like Batman Begins.

wow given it a 9 then your goin to talk down on it that doesnt make sense if ur goin to talk it down then get it a 8 or 7 dont beat around the bush.

DarkKnight81

07-12-2008, 12:14 AM

wow given it a 9 then your goin to talk down on it that doesnt make sense if ur goin to talk it down then get it a 8 or 7 dont beat around the bush.

Well I gave it a 10 and it's probably my favorite movie of all time. But then I criticized the Tumbler chase scene and somebody was like, "how can you criticize your favorite movie?...yada, yada, yada." What I'm saying is I'll probably love this movie to death, but that doesn't mean I'll see right through its shortcomings. No movie is perfect and I'm sure the same will be said of the Dark Knight...but I bet it will be damn close.

cl0n3b4by

07-12-2008, 12:47 AM

Nevermind...

tuesday 9:30 Imax

I will come back to report :D

CyclicNightmare

07-12-2008, 01:49 AM

I've never seen someone cry so much about a movie's hype in my life. Come on dude, lighten up.. do you really care how much a movie is hyped? That people are so genuinely excited to see a movie? Is it ruining your day? It's getting annoying as shit to see you post about TDK's hype every day. Just let it be, there's nothing you can do about it.
For someone who complains about my posts, you don't seem to be reading them. I'll reiterate. The hype for this movie doesn't affect me at all. I'm looking forward to it.

You say that my posts are annoying, but what about the hundreds upon hundreds of posts by people who aren't saying of substance? These posts just propagate the hype. I never said the hype annoyed me or bothered me. I just pointed out the fact that it is out of hand.

DarkKnight81

07-12-2008, 02:16 AM

BanksIsDaFuture

07-12-2008, 03:01 AM

Seeing it (hopefully) tomorrow night and then again on Sunday.

Then prolly again on Wednsday.

xseanymacx

07-12-2008, 03:09 AM

For someone who complains about my posts, you don't seem to be reading them. I'll reiterate. The hype for this movie doesn't affect me at all. I'm looking forward to it.

You say that my posts are annoying, but what about the hundreds upon hundreds of posts by people who aren't saying of substance? These posts just propagate the hype. I never said the hype annoyed me or bothered me. I just pointed out the fact that it is out of hand.

EDIT: Nevermind. I thought Madsen had post the hype was ridiculous.

darkface

07-12-2008, 03:15 AM

Just watched BB on Blu Ray and now i'm pumped. I got all excited again when I saw the joker card flip over. :D

I'm keeping myself flexible with TDK though. I understand that it will probably be different than what most people think and I'm trying hard not to over hype it for myself :p Still can't wait though! Thursday night here I come.

dellamorte dellamore

07-12-2008, 10:20 AM

Oh man , Nolan just exhaled , Bale just blinked , exclusive footage on youtube , hurry , hurry , before they take it down !!!!!

Moviefan1234

07-12-2008, 11:37 AM

Oh man , Nolan just exhaled , Bale just blinked , exclusive footage on youtube , hurry , hurry , before they take it down !!!!!

Link?

dellamorte dellamore

07-12-2008, 12:08 PM

youtube.tdk-christianbale-chrisnolan-heathledger-tdk-willowntheuniverse/watch.com

think the link has been taken down , sorry .

we'll have to wait for something else exciting to happen , like wait , does anyone involved in Tdk eat , or sleep , there has to be some intriguing footage with some of them doing that .

Zeeboe

07-12-2008, 12:32 PM

I'm ready to see the film now, but I hate large crowds so I might wait for the hype to die out.

CyclicNightmare

07-12-2008, 01:44 PM

Who cares what other people post if it's within the rules? It's not like their dog is taking a dump in your yard. Just another post without substance right? Cry me a river. This movie's going to be the shit, let people get excited about it.
I never said the hype annoyed me or bothered me. I just pointed out the fact that it is out of hand.
.

Shockwave

07-12-2008, 02:07 PM

Less then 1 week people!

In the meantime, go see Hellboy 2!:D

bigred760

07-12-2008, 02:10 PM

I never said the hype annoyed me or bothered me. I just pointed out the fact that it is out of hand.

And I'll bet Warner Bros. is loving every minute of it.

Shockwave

07-12-2008, 02:12 PM

And I'll bet Warner Bros. is loving every minute of it.

What shocks me is how theres no other DC movie in the works atm.

AcE7447

07-12-2008, 02:42 PM

What shocks me is how theres no other DC movie in the works atm.

Hmm, yah that is a bit shocking but I guess they want all the hype on TDK and nothing else.

NathanRomano

07-12-2008, 03:43 PM

I've got a good quality of the OST if you're interested

soda

07-12-2008, 05:15 PM

quick thought on the "hype":

I understand the sentiment of fans who are sick of "the hype". Personally, I don't mind it, but I do have to wonder just how big "the hype" actually is. The thing about TDK is that it seems to have a bigger marketing presence on the internet than any movie I have ever seen. I've been going to San Diego Comic Con forever (or, if not going myself, at least keeping abreast of what happens) and TDK has had a huge presence there.

You go to internet sites like this one, or superherohype, chud and CBR, and TDK is huge. The viral marketing has done it's job. However, people on these websites, the people who go to comic book conventions, and the true believers, make up a very, very small chunk of what a movie needs to be successful. There literally aren't anywhere near enough of us to make any kind of a dent in the bottom line. Whether or not TDK or any other film, will be successful is out of our hands.

It comes down to what the folks want, in the end. They're the masses who actually have an impact, and I'm not sure how many of them are internet people, but I suspect not that many. I could see TDK having an Ang Lee Hulk type response: a movie that divides many, and that doesn't do well at the box because it's not what people are looking for in a summer movie. Bigred and I have had this disagreement over the Hulk, he thinks its a deep psychological thriller, I think it's not a hulk movie, and I think that that film needed "less yakking, more smaking". Neither point of view is wrong, it's just different tastes.

TDK is, in many ways, a grand experiment in how films will be marketed. If it does extremely well, expect the viral format to become the standard (Hollywood is a very copy-cat city, if it works, and makes money, it's quickly adopted). If it doesn't, expect the viral, internet based marketing to be shelved for many years. I've never seen a movie with such a powerful online presence. That will get the true-believers out to the threatre on opening weekend, but I still have to openly question how well the movie will do. See, I'm not yet sure how far "the hype" actually goes, and I'm not sure how eagerly anticipated this movie is with the average fan. We've seen can't-miss films clunk before, and we've seen films do well that no one saw coming.

BanksIsDaFuture

07-12-2008, 05:54 PM

I'm also worried that TDK will meet the same fate as Cloverfield or Snakes On A Plane.

I think though just the fact that it is Batman, plus the fucking Joker, people of all ages will be out to see this one.

I'll be watching it in T-Minus 6 hours.

corran horn

07-12-2008, 06:14 PM

I'm also worried that TDK will meet the same fate as Cloverfield or Snakes On A Plane.

I'm not. To even make such a comparison is ludicrous. First off, TDK has some actual substance behind it, whereas Cloverfield and SOAP were nothing more than shafty marketing campaigns disguised as movies. Secondly, advance word on TDK has been massively superior to either of those other movies.

soda: how does the fact that advance ticket sales are way ahead of almost any other superhero film strike you? Comparing it to the Hulk is not a fair comparison. Whatever its merits, Ang Lee's Hulk was seen by many as a poor fit for the source material. A number of high-profile critics noted this. TDK has, on the other hand, been fairly faithful and that has been appreciated. Plus, a dark and serious tone befits the dark knight better than the not-so-jolly green giant. It's also been getting uniformly good reviews, which Lee's Hulk did not get. Let's not ignore the fact that, with July 18 approaching, WB has unleashed its barage of TV ads, so it will be pretty hard not to be aware of it.

BTW, what films are you refering to when you talk about "can't-miss films clunking" and films that "no one saw coming do well"?

AndrewDB

07-12-2008, 06:20 PM

Ebert and Roeper.. Early review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UELDTKPC-lo). (Sorta Spoilery.. :()

NuclearMisfit

07-12-2008, 06:43 PM

I think this is the coolest tv spot ive seen so far

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PlEGdLco4G0&feature=related

soda

07-12-2008, 08:11 PM

I'm not. To even make such a comparison is ludicrous. First off, TDK has some actual substance behind it, whereas Cloverfield and SOAP were nothing more than shafty marketing campaigns disguised as movies. Secondly, advance word on TDK has been massively superior to either of those other movies.

soda: how does the fact that advance ticket sales are way ahead of almost any other superhero film strike you? Comparing it to the Hulk is not a fair comparison. Whatever its merits, Ang Lee's Hulk was seen by many as a poor fit for the source material. A number of high-profile critics noted this. TDK has, on the other hand, been fairly faithful and that has been appreciated. Plus, a dark and serious tone befits the dark knight better than the not-so-jolly green giant. It's also been getting uniformly good reviews, which Lee's Hulk did not get. Let's not ignore the fact that, with July 18 approaching, WB has unleashed its barage of TV ads, so it will be pretty hard not to be aware of it.

BTW, what films are you refering to when you talk about "can't-miss films clunking" and films that "no one saw coming do well"?

Thanks for the response.

FWIW, I get what you're trying to say with the advance ticket sales point. I'm a mathematician by training (I have a masters degree in the subject) and I understand the idea of interpolating a small sample size to determine a general point. We do it all the time in math. However, one question that you naturally have to ask yourself, when you carry out this analysis, is how realible taking a property of the small sample size will carry over to the larger one. In other words, what does the advance tickets sales point say about how well TDK will open? Is it generally true that high advance ticket sales lead to high ticket sales overall? I'm honestly asking, because I'm a comic book fan, and I can think of many books I've seen over the years that had a high advance order, but that didn't do so well (the comic book industry is, of course, very different from the movie industry, if a comic book store places a high advance order, they're stuck with any copies they don't sell. Back issue bins across this nation are stock full of issues of a book that were tremendously over-ordered, and which just didn't sell)

BTW, I don't really remember much about Ang Lee's Hulk when it first came out. What I do remember is that the overall hype for that film was pretty huge. It had (I think) the return of Demi Moore going for it, and, in general, you couldn't throw a rock that summer without hitting something related to the hulk.

Also, I don't think that critical reviews are all that big a thing anymore. I think the movie industry would like it to be, but I don't think people go to see a movie just because "the critics liked it". If that were true, there would be a hundred small-time movies, that the critics loved, that would rolling in it, but they're not. There's a disconnect between critically acclaimed, and what the folks want to see. In fact, Iron Man was probably the only film I can remember that appealed to both. Every year, when I hear about who won the oscar for what movie (I don't watch the oscars, waste of time) I become more and more convinced that critics don't know anything. For me, the boiling point came years ago when Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon lost the Oscar for best picture to that dumb Russell Crowe Gladiator film.

As for what films I was referring to, I was just trying to make a general point, I'm sure we've all had our disappointments and surprises. If you'd told me, at the beginning of the year that, at this point in the summer movie season, with Hancock, Wall-e and Indy 4 all out that the high earner for the year would be Iron Man, there's no way I'd have believed you.

athf1980

07-12-2008, 08:51 PM

I have not been the excitied to see a movie since Spidey 2/LOTR movies/Revenge of the sith. This movie is going to own.

darkface

07-12-2008, 10:19 PM

Thanks for the response.

...We do it all the time in math. However, one question that you naturally have to ask yourself, when you carry out this analysis, is how realible taking a property of the small sample size will carry over to the larger one. In other words, what does the advance tickets sales point say about how well TDK will open? Is it generally true that high advance ticket sales lead to high ticket sales overall?

This is very true. I don't hold the same degree, but I've taken my share of statistics and math classes for my BA degree to know that the sample from the population can be very misleading for a film such as TDK. --(Wide standard deviation or sample error) If it's an online sample, then your sample can only hold true for people that surf the internet or movie websites specifically, not the entire population.

Ergo... (hehe) I also feel that it could go either up or down with the mainstream public (the majority of moviegoers). The mainstream public want a blow 'em up action movie, not a character study. And I feel that TDK will be more smart, dark, and story driven then most 'mainstream' people would like. So it really could go either way.

But good input Soda, keep the constructive comments coming!

Mr.HyDe807

07-12-2008, 11:40 PM

5 days?!?!?!?! Who knows, im fucking done, I CANT WAIT!:D

Judge_Smails

07-12-2008, 11:56 PM

Strider

07-13-2008, 12:23 AM

And I wont be going to a midnight showing. I got to take with my buddies out to the bars cause its one of their B-days.
Ill have to catch it the next day. :(

That's funny -- I won't be able to catch a midnight screening either, because I'm also taking out a friend and others for his birthday. I'll see it the following day, though, without a doubt. I feel your pain, my friend. ;)

Words cannot described how excited I am for The Dark Knight. It's easily my most anticipated film of the entire year. I shouldn't get too excited and raise my expectations too high -- I know better than that. But I just can't help myself. Batman Begins, in my opinion, is the best comic book film ever made (so far), and The Dark Knight looks even better. This is without mentioning what a fan I am of and how much faith I have in Christopher Nolan, who, as far as I'm concerned, has made strong pieces of filmmaking ever since his directorial debut, Following. Thus far, he's 5-0, and I have a feeling that after The Dark Knight, he'll be 6-0. I cannot wait any longer for this film. I cannot wait to see this film with hundreds of people. The Dark Knight is a cinematic event, and I hope it's an awesome, unforgettable experience.

Strider

PreySlayDisplay

07-13-2008, 12:35 AM

While at Hellboy II I picked up my tickets for a midnight showing thursday night/friday morning. I can't wait. It's almost ridiculous how much I'm anticipating this movie. I've been having dreams about it and shit. Wow.

Derrida

07-13-2008, 07:17 AM

I can't wait. It's almost ridiculous how much I'm anticipating this movie. I've been having dreams about it and shit. Wow.

Thank Christ I'm not the only one. I am not seeing the film until the 26th but I'm so excited I've twice dreamt about sitting in the cinema and watching the film. Damn it, when the hell did I turn into such a fanboy?!

dellamorte dellamore

07-13-2008, 07:44 AM

Hype? What hype? I’m looking forward to this flick as much as anybody, but why wait to actually SEE the movie before reviewing it? My money says the typical fan review will go a little like this…

THE DARK KNIGHT … blah blah blah … masterpiece of the highest order … blah blah blah … makes GODFATHER look like a Gumby special … blah blah blah … Christopher Nolan makes Stanley Kubrick look like Uwe Boll … Christian Bale is the Marlon Brando of all past and future generations … blah blah blah … Jack Nicholson can’t carry Heath Ledger’s jockstrap … blah blah blah …

< two pages later >

… nothing in this world can or ever will match the transcendental magnificence that is THE DARK KNIGHT. No motion picture will ever again scale the heights of such cinematic depth, opulence, and dare I say, perfection. After seeing THE DARK KNIGHT, there simply is no reason to continue living life…

… ka-click … BLAM! … *body falls*

THE DARK KNIGHT: 11/10

Uh , best post ever concerning the hype behind Tdk on the internet , but you are underestimating the ratings , they will be more along the lines of infinity/10 .

I give your post a 11/10 , it really sums up the mania that has taken hold with this film . No reason to contunue living life , LOFL , one of the funniest things iv'e read on here in quite some time .

There is going to be very little in the way of objective critique with regards to shmoe reviews and Tdk , it's either going to be it was the most orgasmic cinematic experience i ever had or it blew chunks and Burton's Batman is still the best ( both reactions will be heavily influenced by the hype level and how it has gone overboard ) .

I'm not blaming this one on the fanboys though , and as a quick aside , they are playing right into the marketers hands by gobbling up everything Warner throws at them , they are still just victims of the slick marketing campaign that Warner is engaging in . They are feeding off of the fanboys enthusiastic and impatient nature . Every single image , rumor , review ( that's not Warner's doing ) , is being voraciously devoured by people who see this as the one film that will complete their lives ;) .

I'll say this now , this still isn't on the level of Rotk when it comes to anticipation level . I admit , it has taken on a life of it's own , and even 6 months ago , it would have blown up without any more marketing , but Warner definitely tweaked and encouraged the current maniacal obsession with this upcoming film , it was master stroke that will pay huge dividends . I could be wrong but i don't see people dressing up as the Joker or Batman or some other character from the film like they did for SW and Rotk . I don't see people hosting parties related to Tdk , i don't see people living and breathing this stuff , it's just a highly anticipated film , not an all encompassing experience like those franchises were .

The fact is , Batman isn't that deep on a narrative level , the world he lives in , even the Nolan creations is very limited in scope . You have a couple of key characters , but it basically comes down to batman vs the latest emo with a bad attitude , in these latest versions that is . Yeah , i know , you have Gordon , Luscious , Dawes , and some other characters thrown in , but can you honestly say this world is as rich as Middle Earth regarding characters and narrative .

I say this to put the hype in perspective , this new film is exciting people no doubt , and it's already breaking some Bo records , but for me it just doesn't come close to the anticipation level or the obsessive heights a lotr or Sw did . Those franchises are a way of life , Tdk will be an amazing film , there just simply isn't enough to sink my teeth into like there was when i waited patiently for a whole year each for both the TT and Rotk .

I never got bored of the hype for those two films because there was so much to dissect and discuss , not so with Tdk , and that's why it's become redundant .

I do feel it will beat SM3's weekend record , and i do feel the pre sales are an excellent indicator of what it should do next weekend . That and what some other films have done these past few months . When S and the C , Wanted , get Smart , H2 , and some other films can open with excellent numbers , there is no doubt Tdk is going to break the opening weekend record . And it's going to sail past 300 mil , just couldn't say how far it goes after that because believe it or not , X files and then Mummy 3 can offer some resistance . I wouldn't discount some of the films that are coming out after Tdk because of the current hype , but no matter if you think the hype is bad now ,wait until batman is actually released , it's going to get worse before it gets better :) .

I do want to see this , it's the genuine highlight of the summer for me , but i'm not so obsessed with it that i feel i have to see the midnite show , Saturday will be just fine , what's another 1 and a half days at this point .

Now the Hobbit , well , if i could i would be buying tickets for that midnite showing right now ( i know there will be a marathon screening of all 3 films leading up to the world premiere , hope to get tics for that one ) . I'm already looking ahead :D .

echo_bravo

07-13-2008, 09:41 AM

Could you imagine dying before seeing this film???? That would be awful.

I have been very very careful about crossing streets (looking both ways a bunch of times and shit like that) and have turned into a very defensive driver as of late.

Basically I just want to make it to this next weekend alive and after that Death can come calling for me.;)

Scarfather

07-13-2008, 10:18 AM

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/1307_batman.shtml

Batman and Robin sent to prison

TWO Brits have been jailed in Ibiza for beating up a man while dressed as Batman and Robin.

The unnamed pair, both 18, were returning from a party in the resort of San Antonio when they got in an argument with their victim.

The 30-year-old Spaniard lost three teeth in the attack in the early hours of Wednesday. Both men were sentenced to a year in jail and ordered to pay £5,000 compensation.

They will be released and have their sentences suspended when the money is paid.

A third arrested Brit, dressed as Batman’s arch-enemy The Joker, was cleared of any involvement.

Bahahah.

Bourne101

07-13-2008, 10:35 AM

Ebert and Roeper.. Early review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UELDTKPC-lo). (Sorta Spoilery.. :()

My confidence of this being a masterpiece just keeps going up and up with reviews like these from the best in the business.

shoe1985

07-13-2008, 10:58 AM

dellamorte dellamore, instead of quoting your whole post, I will just give my views. Is this movie going to be the greatest movie ever? No, it is the it movie right now. The last movie was incredible, and brought the series back. I am going in with high expectations like most people.

As for bringing in the Lord of the Rings series, well I can't say they were the greatest books or movies ever, my opinion of course. I enjoyed them, but I never really excited to see the movies. Even with RofK, I was planning to see it, but it was nothing that made me feel like I had to see it.

Everyone is a fan of something. They pay their hard earned money to support it with the hope more will come, and with the highest quality.

poopontheshoes7

07-13-2008, 11:31 AM

Oh no guys, looks like the first negative review is upon us.

http://nymag.com/movies/reviews/48514/

Lets start the bashing!

shoe1985

07-13-2008, 11:32 AM

Oh no, someone didn't like the movie. We have the majority of critics saying the action scenes were awesome, but this one says they are not that great. Oh well. People have their opinions, and it is their right.

DarkKnight81

07-13-2008, 11:55 AM

Oh no guys, looks like the first negative review is upon us.

http://nymag.com/movies/reviews/48514/

Lets start the bashing!

Just to warn people, it's a bit spoilerish. I'm not going to say anything until I've seen the movie, but yeah this is a really negative review. Basically hated everything except for Ledger. People certainly are entitled to their own opinion, and well, some of us including myself may dislike this movie as much as this guy. But it's strange to hear Ebert and Roeper saying things like "Best Picture nomination" and then this guy calling it "spectacularly incoherent." But we'll wait and see.

Bourne101

07-13-2008, 12:32 PM

The guy complained because it was too dark. Sorry Edelstein but the world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. You can tell by the record of his reviews that he enjoys very "light" films. He was also complaining about the film before it even came out, basically saying that he knew he wasn't going to like it. His favorites of the summer include Sex and the City, and You Don't Mess With The Zohan.

miguel_montes

07-13-2008, 12:41 PM

The guy complained because it was too dark.

I don't get that critic and his review. It's called "The DARK Knight", not "The Light Knight".

Lazy Boy

07-13-2008, 12:49 PM

The review seemed pretty reasonable to me, if one actually took the time to read it, but this is how it starts. Edelstein (one of the few critics I read while others jump for joy when Travers or Roeper replace good criticism with "everything Oscar") uses phrases like "the novelty wears off and the lack of imagination, visual and otherwise, turns into a drag" or "there’s an anvil attached to that cape." Meaning, same ol', same ol', he makes the film sound dull and or bloated (it'll have to do a lot with that running time). Plus, his criticism of Nolan being "incoherent" in staging action sequences is a bothersome reminder that I felt the same way about the action sequences in Begins as well. Doesn't seem to me like he's afraid of "dark" films or wants saccharine sweetness. And using Sex and the City as a counterpoint to his criticism isn't surprising coming from a site where some people bash films marketed to women (sight unseen, of course) based on...what, exactly?

His complaining about the film before it came out is no different or worse than certain people saying TDK will "definitely be a great film" before even laying their eyes on it, no?

DarkKnight81

07-13-2008, 01:15 PM

Bourne101

07-13-2008, 01:17 PM

Doesn't seem to me like he's afraid of "dark" films or wants saccharine sweetness. And using Sex and the City as a counterpoint to his criticism isn't surprising coming from a site where some people bash films marketed to women (sight unseen, of course) based on...what, exactly?

The first thing he complained about what that it was too dark. The Sex and the City argument was simply to show that he loves really light films. If you look at the rest of his reviews from the past year, you will find similar films, and many negative reviews towards darker films that generally received praise from critics. And I've never once said anything about Sex and the City other than it didn't interest me. I had no involvement in any of the harsh things that were said in that thread. If you didn't notice, I also mentioned You Don't Mess With The Zohan, a film which I very much enjoyed. Point being is that us Schmoes shouldn't worry for a second, because he hated it for some of the reasons that we want to love it. Length, darkness, violence, crime.

His complaining about the film before it came out is no different or worse than certain people saying TDK will "definitely be a great film" before even laying their eyes on it, no?

Regardless of if he said he was going to love it or hate it, a great critic shouldn't do that, hence the reason he isn't a great critic. The Schmoes here just have a bit of fun anticipating it and hoping that it will be a great film. But a critic who chooses if he's going to like a film or not before he sees it, and visually tells the world that, simply cannot be trusted.

Bourne101

07-13-2008, 01:17 PM

But it's also the reason why we continue to get movies like The Fantastic Four. Fortunately for us, Batman has more to do with crime, violence, and philosophy than he does with Mickey Mouse and cupcakes.

Right on the money.

Mr.HyDe807

07-13-2008, 01:30 PM

4 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LordSimen

07-13-2008, 02:21 PM

Anybodie's opinion on The Dark Knight is their own and I don't think that review was unreasonable. He basically said the things I thought a negative review would say about the movie...too dark, too long, and too philosophical. That's his opinion and he's entitled to it. But it's also the reason why we continue to get movies like The Fantastic Four. Fortunately for us, Batman has more to do with crime, violence, and philosophy than he does with Mickey Mouse and cupcakes.

Bad writing and bad directing are the reasons we get movies like Fantastic Four, not thinking that a movie like Dark Knight is too dark, too long or too philosophical.

Last I checked, Iron Man wasn't dark, long or philosophical and it was still widely considered a pretty damn good movie.

dellamorte dellamore

07-13-2008, 02:46 PM

Oh no guys, looks like the first negative review is upon us.

http://nymag.com/movies/reviews/48514/

Lets start the bashing!

Come on there has to be something negative said about it , i'm not reading it though , those pre release reviews are mainly for the impatient fanboys , iv'e already read and seen enough , no reason to spoil anything more .

We're going to have to face it , some people don't like Batman and won't like this film , i know it's hard to fathom , but it's true , like me with SR :) .

Too dark though , now that's hilarious , doesn't that guy know Batman does the majority of his crimefighting at night lol . I may have to agree with him concerning the fight scenes , in BB , save for the fight on the train , they seemed like they were edited by a pimple faced teen hopped up on ritalin .

DarkKnight81

07-13-2008, 02:49 PM

electriclite

07-13-2008, 02:51 PM

I find it funny that the Sex and the City movie is categorized as a light film, when both me and my friend were depressed after watching it. Well, actually a more accurate description of my friend's state would lie somewhere between fugue and catatonic.

I've read Edelstein's reviews for that film, Iron Man and Indiana Jones. Of the three, only IM and IJ:KOTCS were on the money in terms examining the mood and structure of the films. I felt scammed with SATC review.

I think his TDK review basically serves as a warning to those who would not be interested in seeing a dark film, especially during a season where light and fluffy is considered the traditional fare.

He might actually be doing us a favor by keeping a few obnoxious parents from bringing their under-parented hellspawn to the movie theater and diverting our attention away from the screen and to their bad parenting.

optimus1

07-13-2008, 03:06 PM

All I had to know is he reviewed the Zohan movie favorably , that speaks volumes. The guy who posted a comment on that article was IMHO 100 percent on the money with what he said.

" The only thing more remarkable than your overly critical and pretentious review of the Dark Knight is the fact that I'm complaining about it even though I'm not a fanboy. Using phrases like "...trying to find the center of a character without a dream of one." and "...to turn it into an uncivil Shavian dialogue, Don Juan in Hell with mutilations and truck crashes." Man, only in New York is such stilted and elaborately condescending speech acceptable. Although this review caught me by surprise, I was less shocked to see that you gave The Zohan a glaringly positive review, what a magnificent piece of American cinema. If you want to stand out, don't just review a highly acclaimed film negatively because it just happens to be receiving an overwhelming number of positive reviews. "

Couldn't have said it better myself.

darkface

07-13-2008, 03:13 PM

Don't know if people know this yet, but you can preview the songs on amazon.com for TDK soundtrack. These songs are terrific!

My favorites so far is...
Introduce A Little Anarchy

The soundtrack seems to have so much emotion and energy. Even if this movie wasn't about Batman (my favorite comic book hero), I couldn't miss this movie for the music composers. Anytime you have Hanz Zimmer and James Newton Howard together... the movie is a must see (or listen :p)

http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Knight-Hans-Zimmer/dp/B0017I1FP8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1215976061&sr=1-2

Preview away.. and don't forget the Soundtrack goes on sale this Tuesday the 15th!

DarkKnight81

07-13-2008, 03:16 PM

" The only thing more remarkable than your overly critical and pretentious review of the Dark Knight is the fact that I'm complaining about it even though I'm not a fanboy. Using phrases like "...trying to find the center of a character without a dream of one." and "...to turn it into an uncivil Shavian dialogue, Don Juan in Hell with mutilations and truck crashes." Man, only in New York is such stilted and elaborately condescending speech acceptable. Although this review caught me by surprise, I was less shocked to see that you gave The Zohan a glaringly positive review, what a magnificent piece of American cinema. If you want to stand out, don't just review a highly acclaimed film negatively because it just happens to be receiving an overwhelming number of positive reviews. "

I just wanted to quote this, that's all.

LordSimen

07-13-2008, 03:19 PM

Ok, my point is that he is complaining that the movie is too dark. BATMAN IS DARK. Look at The Killing Joke, The Long Halloween, and most other Batman stories. IT'S DARK. Even the animated series, for a kid's cartoon, was dark. Tim Burton's movies were dark. Batman is dark. Iron Man was a good movie. Iron Man is not dark. Batman is dark. This guy is saying this movie is too dark. Understand? Christopher Nolan made a dark Batman movie. Batman is dark. If it gives the guy nightmares, that's one thing. But it's like reading a Stephen King book and saying you didn't like it because it was too dark. I don't understand how the word "DARK" becomes a useful adjective when reviewing a movie, especially one with dark source material and is titled "The Dark Knight."

Yet there are degrees of darkness and it's perfectly understandable if someone finds a movie cross that degree. The animated series was dark for a kid's cartoon, but still no where compares to the darkness this new movie appears to be bringing in. And there are comics that are just as dark as The Dark Knight appears to be, and there are others that are much more akin to the Batman 89 movie.

Saying a movie is too dark doesn't mean you don't enjoy darkness. It just means that particular movie has crossed your line of acceptable darkness. That's all. It doesn't mean that that writer is writing the review whilst watching Adam West's escapades on the 1960's movie thinkin "Man, this is the shit!"

DarkKnight81

07-13-2008, 03:37 PM

a7xfan

07-13-2008, 03:44 PM

I just don't see how "dark" can be made as an argument against this movie. If it were something that came from a lighter history and just went against the grain of everything that we knew about, I could see the argument. But Batman and his world are dark in nature and Christopher Nolan is somewhat of a dark filmmaker. Not in the same world of Kubrick but he doesn't exactly make family films. From Batman Begins and what we've heard about The Dark Knight, it appears that he has captured Batman on the big screen about as closely as we could hope for.

yeah but it sems nowadays that comic book adaption are getting darker all the time, i mean come on, who is the majority of comic book reader, i'd say kids. and IMO i don't think it's fair to be taking the fun side away from superheroes like so many filmakers are trying to do today. sam raimi, chris nolan, brian singer, ang lee. kids wan't to see a popcorn flick that they can laugh at and be in awe at. it's not fair to take superheroes from kids, it is just fucking wrong.

and i understand that batman has allways been a fairly dark character, but come on, tdk is a 'crime thriller' what are kids gonna see in that, they see all the dark knight toys on sale and the batmobiles to buy, they go see the movie, and come out hugely dissapointed and confused.

DarkKnight81

07-13-2008, 03:49 PM

I bet kids would love this movie if they could get their parents to take them. Kids play Grand Theft Auto, they can see this movie.

soda

07-13-2008, 04:15 PM

yeah but it sems nowadays that comic book adaption are getting darker all the time, i mean come on, who is the majority of comic book reader, i'd say kids. and IMO i don't think it's fair to be taking the fun side away from superheroes like so many filmakers are trying to do today. sam raimi, chris nolan, brian singer, ang lee. kids wan't to see a popcorn flick that they can laugh at and be in awe at. it's not fair to take superheroes from kids, it is just fucking wrong.

and i understand that batman has allways been a fairly dark character, but come on, tdk is a 'crime thriller' what are kids gonna see in that, they see all the dark knight toys on sale and the batmobiles to buy, they go see the movie, and come out hugely dissapointed and confused.

Not entirely accurate. Comic books, these days, are not really made for kids, and it seems to me that whenever a kid's comic does become popular (Justice League Unlimited was hugely popular amongst the youngin's) it's cancelled. The days of the supermarket spindle rack are long gone. These days, comics are mostly sold in small comic book shops. I know, because my comic book store guy is always trying to market his stuff to young children ("us old guys who read comics won't be around forever, and if I want to stay in business, I have to start thinking about the next generation") and, while he's met with some success (Free Comic book day has been a godsend for getting children to read comics) the fact remains that most of his customers are older guys, like me, who have been reading since we were kids.

I do agree, BTW, that taking superheroes away from children is just wrong on so many levels. I would really, really like comic book companies to be less short-sighted. The fact that DC cancels comics made for children surprises me more than marvel doing the same thing. Marvel will cancel anything that doesn't sell, while DC is a lot more willing to keep things that don't put up good numbers. Both companies, and the smaller press stuff, need to do a better job of looking at their future, old guys like me won't be around forever.

I would also agree that making comic book movies darker is a trend that needs to change. However, I would disagree that there is something inherently wrong with making a comic book movie dark. It's all about talent. Darker comics nearly sunk the entire industry 10 years ago, however, it wasn't the fact that comics were inherently dark that was the major problem, it's that the guys who were making those comics weren't named Frank Miller, Alan Moore, Alex Ross, and Mark Waid. I do think that darker source material is more condusive to lazy story-telling by people who don't have the talent to do better. If you've got the talent to tell a good, dark story, then hey, tell the story. Just realize that, as an industry mandate (which is what it was for the better part of 15 years) dark doesn't work. Superman doesn't work as a dark figure (exception: if it's Mark Waid and Alex Ross, with their talent, anything works as anything), ditto Spiderman.

soda

07-13-2008, 04:43 PM

Uh , best post ever concerning the hype behind Tdk on the internet , but you are underestimating the ratings , they will be more along the lines of infinity/10 .

I give your post a 11/10 , it really sums up the mania that has taken hold with this film . No reason to contunue living life , LOFL , one of the funniest things iv'e read on here in quite some time .

There is going to be very little in the way of objective critique with regards to shmoe reviews and Tdk , it's either going to be it was the most orgasmic cinematic experience i ever had or it blew chunks and Burton's Batman is still the best ( both reactions will be heavily influenced by the hype level and how it has gone overboard ) .

I'm not blaming this one on the fanboys though , and as a quick aside , they are playing right into the marketers hands by gobbling up everything Warner throws at them , they are still just victims of the slick marketing campaign that Warner is engaging in . They are feeding off of the fanboys enthusiastic and impatient nature . Every single image , rumor , review ( that's not Warner's doing ) , is being voraciously devoured by people who see this as the one film that will complete their lives ;) .

I'll say this now , this still isn't on the level of Rotk when it comes to anticipation level . I admit , it has taken on a life of it's own , and even 6 months ago , it would have blown up without any more marketing , but Warner definitely tweaked and encouraged the current maniacal obsession with this upcoming film , it was master stroke that will pay huge dividends . I could be wrong but i don't see people dressing up as the Joker or Batman or some other character from the film like they did for SW and Rotk . I don't see people hosting parties related to Tdk , i don't see people living and breathing this stuff , it's just a highly anticipated film , not an all encompassing experience like those franchises were .

The fact is , Batman isn't that deep on a narrative level , the world he lives in , even the Nolan creations is very limited in scope . You have a couple of key characters , but it basically comes down to batman vs the latest emo with a bad attitude , in these latest versions that is . Yeah , i know , you have Gordon , Luscious , Dawes , and some other characters thrown in , but can you honestly say this world is as rich as Middle Earth regarding characters and narrative .

I say this to put the hype in perspective , this new film is exciting people no doubt , and it's already breaking some Bo records , but for me it just doesn't come close to the anticipation level or the obsessive heights a lotr or Sw did . Those franchises are a way of life , Tdk will be an amazing film , there just simply isn't enough to sink my teeth into like there was when i waited patiently for a whole year each for both the TT and Rotk .

I never got bored of the hype for those two films because there was so much to dissect and discuss , not so with Tdk , and that's why it's become redundant .

I do feel it will beat SM3's weekend record , and i do feel the pre sales are an excellent indicator of what it should do next weekend . That and what some other films have done these past few months . When S and the C , Wanted , get Smart , H2 , and some other films can open with excellent numbers , there is no doubt Tdk is going to break the opening weekend record . And it's going to sail past 300 mil , just couldn't say how far it goes after that because believe it or not , X files and then Mummy 3 can offer some resistance . I wouldn't discount some of the films that are coming out after Tdk because of the current hype , but no matter if you think the hype is bad now ,wait until batman is actually released , it's going to get worse before it gets better :) .

I do want to see this , it's the genuine highlight of the summer for me , but i'm not so obsessed with it that i feel i have to see the midnite show , Saturday will be just fine , what's another 1 and a half days at this point .

Now the Hobbit , well , if i could i would be buying tickets for that midnite showing right now ( i know there will be a marathon screening of all 3 films leading up to the world premiere , hope to get tics for that one ) . I'm already looking ahead :D .

good post, few thoughts on it:

As the legendary PG Wodehouse once wrote: "it really does take all types to make the world go round". You have your thing for LOTR, and other people have their thing for other things, and it's all good, in my opinion. However, regarding your point about hosting a party related to TDK, I would say this, do you know what San Diego Comic Con is? The biggest comic book convention in the world, and, right now, you cannot get walkup tickets, because four day passes, Saturday passes and Friday passes are all sold out. Thursday and Sunday passes are close to sell out, and will be gone by the start of the event. The world of comics is huge, and the fan base is very, very large. TDK's opening is timed to come the weekend before con, and it's no coincidence that it's timed that way. TDK is what EVERYONE will be talking about at con this year, so while it may not be something people hold parties about, it will have a very large gathering of people who will be talking about nothing else.

My point is that there is just as much fanboy interest in this thing (ie, true believers) as there was for SW or LOTR, however, just like those other two, I think the true believers are too small a percentage of the movie going public to really push sales. I was rather surprised at how well LOTRs did, SW, not so much (because of the original trilogy, SW had a much bigger foundation in modern pop culture, I would say batman is right behind, with LOTRs finishing a distant third at the time of the release of Fellowship). I think there's a good percentage of the American population that will see a star wars movie no matter what it is. If it was just George Lucas, on screen, for ninety minutes talking trash about how he got your money and how foolish you were for coming, people would still go and see it (exaggeration, but not a huge one). LOTR was actually a very excellent series of films, yes it was hyped, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a great movie that made new fans of middle earth.

One other thing, concerning your point about depth of characters. While I agree that LOTR had it in spades, I disagree with your notion of Batman lacking that. To me, this is a common prejudice that people who don't read comics have about people who do. They think it's just "kids stuff", that it's something people grow out of, and that it indicates a juvenile mind. None of those things are true. Example, unless you guys read comics, you've never seen a real "Dark Phoenix Saga", and you've never seen the incredible host of characters that go along with that tale. How can you do a phoenix saga that doesn't really do justice to Jean Gray? (X3 was awful, it only had jean looking pissed all the time) How can you do one without Emma Frost, and the Hellfire club? How can you do one without the M'kraan crystal, Liliandra, Duken, startroopers and the Shi'ar Empire? Another example, read Captain America, a book that's coming out right now, you want three dimensional, deep characters? Try Steve Rodgers, NOMAD, bucky, the red skull, Sharon Carter and the Falcon. The point is, I think comics in general, and batman in particular, is fully capable of keeping up with middle earth. You have your preferences and I have mine, double D, and that's all that needs to be said.

PR0J3KT M

07-13-2008, 05:36 PM

i dont see what the big deal is on how others think of the movie..if i enjoyed myself, i enjoyed myself.that's all that matters to me...a movie isnt supposed to please everyone..

DarkKnight81

07-13-2008, 05:46 PM

...a movie isnt supposed to please everyone..

Unless it's The Dark Knight.

PR0J3KT M

07-13-2008, 05:55 PM

Unless it's The Dark Knight.

lol.

DarkKnight81

07-13-2008, 05:58 PM

lol.

Don't laugh, I'm serious. This is my serious face.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd19/KZSnow/The_Dark_Knight.jpg

The Heart Collector

07-13-2008, 06:09 PM

PR0J3KT M

07-13-2008, 06:24 PM

Don't laugh, I'm serious. This is my serious face.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd19/KZSnow/The_Dark_Knight.jpg

my mistake mr. wayne.

FLAME_ON

07-13-2008, 06:35 PM

DarkKnight81

07-13-2008, 06:39 PM

I know he's not a movie critic but he's a big celeb, Jay Leno said it's the best movie he's seen this year. God bless you Jay.

DarkKnight81

07-13-2008, 06:55 PM

I think half of the fun comes from treating The Dark Knight like it's some divine power. It's just silly fun, like I told my boss at work I'd quit if he scheduled me Friday. Or telling my parents The Dark Knight is more important than the family and always will be... The movie is going to be amazing but it is just a movie; I just think it's funny to treat it like it's something more. That maybe why some people are frustrated by the hype and they just don't realize it's a joke when someone writes "The Dark Knight>>>>Life"

Yeah, half the shit I say I'm just joking around because this is the type of movie you can joke like this about and get away with it. The whole fanboy vs hater is fueled by each side. The fanboys get more hyped as the haters hate more and vice versa.

KCJ506

07-13-2008, 08:36 PM

Seems like David Edelstein gets that Batman is supposed to be dark, since he did give some props to Begins & Batman'89, but the difference between those films and TDK is that they end on somewhat of a happy note (giving hope to the city, etc.), while TDK is more of a depressing story. Sounds like he thinks the movie should've had more feel good moments & a more feel good ending.

I really didn't like his cheap-shots, though. And honestly, while reading his review, he really does seem to be doing his best in turning everything about the film into a negative. The only positive he talks about is Ledger, and even that comes with some negative baggage attached.

I really can't tell if he went into this movie wanting to hate it, or if he just wants to be the first with a negative.

Lol...I doubt it's either of those, though. Maybe he just wants the happy superhero movie, and didn't get it, and is disappointed.

Van Buuren

07-13-2008, 09:12 PM

CuatroDiablos

07-13-2008, 11:15 PM

Except for a few songs I think the sountrack is awful...just me.

Nazgul

07-13-2008, 11:35 PM

darkknight81 is such a Dark Knight fan
Kudos to you :)

dellamorte dellamore

07-14-2008, 07:40 AM

How can you even post this with a straight face after your completely absurd and overbearing Speed Racer praise?

I don't care if the majority doesn't like something , i loved SR and i'll love Tdk , two films on the opposite side of the narrative and visual spectrum . One was light and fluffy with day glo colors everywhere with an optimistic streak , and one will be dark and brooding , cynical , infused with an elegant " futuristic " sepia tone glow . I can enjoy and appreciate both , and my thoughts concerning SR should not preclude my opinion on the upcoming Tdk .

I too , am having some fun with all the hype that has gone way beyond mere fever pitch now , it's in deadly flu pandemic mode now .

And can you honestly deny that the film won't get those 1000000/10 ratings , i see them coming , so it won't be a surprise :) .

Mr.HyDe807

07-14-2008, 10:33 AM

I don't get how the hype has gotten out of hand. People have been saying "this movie is gonna rule" or they said how cool a poster is. Yeah, people have been saying over the top crap, but its all in good fun.

Jeez, when did alot of people saying that a movie is hopefully good lead to overbearing hype.

NathanRomano

07-14-2008, 11:38 AM

So, can I guess everyone on the boards will see it at midnight?

corran horn

07-14-2008, 12:25 PM

Thanks for the response.

FWIW, I get what you're trying to say with the advance ticket sales point. I'm a mathematician by training (I have a masters degree in the subject) and I understand the idea of interpolating a small sample size to determine a general point. We do it all the time in math. However, one question that you naturally have to ask yourself, when you carry out this analysis, is how realible taking a property of the small sample size will carry over to the larger one. In other words, what does the advance tickets sales point say about how well TDK will open? Is it generally true that high advance ticket sales lead to high ticket sales overall? I'm honestly asking, because I'm a comic book fan, and I can think of many books I've seen over the years that had a high advance order, but that didn't do so well (the comic book industry is, of course, very different from the movie industry, if a comic book store places a high advance order, they're stuck with any copies they don't sell. Back issue bins across this nation are stock full of issues of a book that were tremendously over-ordered, and which just didn't sell)

BTW, I don't really remember much about Ang Lee's Hulk when it first came out. What I do remember is that the overall hype for that film was pretty huge. It had (I think) the return of Demi Moore going for it, and, in general, you couldn't throw a rock that summer without hitting something related to the hulk.

Also, I don't think that critical reviews are all that big a thing anymore. I think the movie industry would like it to be, but I don't think people go to see a movie just because "the critics liked it". If that were true, there would be a hundred small-time movies, that the critics loved, that would rolling in it, but they're not. There's a disconnect between critically acclaimed, and what the folks want to see. In fact, Iron Man was probably the only film I can remember that appealed to both. Every year, when I hear about who won the oscar for what movie (I don't watch the oscars, waste of time) I become more and more convinced that critics don't know anything. For me, the boiling point came years ago when Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon lost the Oscar for best picture to that dumb Russell Crowe Gladiator film.

As for what films I was referring to, I was just trying to make a general point, I'm sure we've all had our disappointments and surprises. If you'd told me, at the beginning of the year that, at this point in the summer movie season, with Hancock, Wall-e and Indy 4 all out that the high earner for the year would be Iron Man, there's no way I'd have believed you.

Actually, there's quite a list of films that have been enjoyed by critics and audiences (3 so far this year: Iron Man, Wall-E, and Hellboy II). It's just that they tend to get forgotten when the snobs (more applicable to online critics like Jeff Wells) and knuckledraggers (AICNers, IMDb cabbageheads) pick fights with each other.

You have a point about Iron Man. Never in my wildest hopes would I have thought it would not only reach but surpass 300, or at least not until I saw it. After I saw it, it made perfect sense.

thommie343

07-14-2008, 12:55 PM

yeah but it sems nowadays that comic book adaption are getting darker all the time, i mean come on, who is the majority of comic book reader, i'd say kids. and IMO i don't think it's fair to be taking the fun side away from superheroes like so many filmakers are trying to do today. sam raimi, chris nolan, brian singer, ang lee. kids wan't to see a popcorn flick that they can laugh at and be in awe at. it's not fair to take superheroes from kids, it is just fucking wrong.

and i understand that batman has allways been a fairly dark character, but come on, tdk is a 'crime thriller' what are kids gonna see in that, they see all the dark knight toys on sale and the batmobiles to buy, they go see the movie, and come out hugely dissapointed and confused.

Kids??? Batman????
There is a scene or seris of panels in The Killing Joke where Barbra Gordon is shot and stripped by the Joker so he can take pictures of her to show her father to drive him crazy. That is dark and not meant for a child to see. So i guess my problem would be that parents dont open the comic book there children read or pre-watch a movie ther child wants to see. How about read a review of a video game befor you let your child play it.

Batman has always dealt with dark story lines until some guy wrote a book about comic books and parents finally picked them up and said I shouldn't be letting my child read this. Then comic books were written for children with scenes that made that god awful 60's Batman tv show(which as a child I loved but as an adult I see a horrible bastardization of a superhero I like). The real problem is it took someone else to get the parent involved in the children's life to see what they were into.They were never intended for children but like video games bright colors and being able to pull the wool over there eyes so you can do bad things it is a thrill.

Not all comics are meant for children and all were not introduced for children to read. Just like movies... Do I know everything my children watch .. yes I do.. will i let them watch The Dark Knight no I will most definitely not.. will I see The Dark Knight hell yes I will... where there be people there bringing there kids to see it yes.. will they be bitching after the movie.. es they will because they didn't read one review or research it just heard batman thought of a cheesy adam west batman and took their kids.. only to realize this is not a kids movie...

Just my opinion...

Shockwave

07-14-2008, 01:13 PM

The biggest surprise of the year will probaly still be Iron Man in my opinion simply because Indy 4 and The Dark Knight were pretty much always hyped to make massive amounts of money. Iron Man seemed to come out of nowhere.

I also didnt think it would be nearly as good as it was. Double surprise.

At the very least, i hope The Dark Knight beats Spiderman 3s opening. I hate that movie with a passion. It was like watching 2 crappy movies crammed into one.:mad:

Bourne101

07-14-2008, 01:16 PM

Numero Deux...

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2008/07/21/080721crci_cinema_denby

More complaints about it being too dark. Not much insight on anything else, other than it was too dark. I'm just going to disregard all of these reviews that complain about it being too dark, because that is exactly what I want it to be. I want it to be dark as fucking hell. If anything, these very few negative reviews are making me even more excited by complaining about how dark it is.

Lemmywinks

07-14-2008, 01:31 PM

I am seeing this tomorrow night at 7:30 in IMAX. Got tickets to an advance showing from my local newspaper. I will report back with my findings :)

FLAME_ON

07-14-2008, 02:02 PM

Numero Deux...

http://www.takehollywood.com/core/medias/dynamicLibrary/MyOffice/mod_filmography/picture/filmography_256.jpg

More complaints about it being too dark. Not much insight on anything else, other than it was too dark. I'm just going to disregard all of these reviews that complain about it being too dark, because that is exactly what I want it to be. I want it to be dark as fucking hell. If anything, these very few negative reviews are making me even more excited by complaining about how dark it is.

It is awesome that they are complaining but it's still like saying a comedy movie is too funny or a romantic flick is too sweet.

To me a good reviewer should be able to think to them self, "Okay, this is pretty dark... and I don't really like that. But is this still a well made film?"
There are plenty of movies I fucking hate but I'd also be the first to tell you it's well made and that you'd probably like it.

bigred760

07-14-2008, 02:04 PM

Lazy Boy

07-14-2008, 02:11 PM

Numero Deux...

http://www.takehollywood.com/core/medias/dynamicLibrary/MyOffice/mod_filmography/picture/filmography_256.jpg

More complaints about it being too dark. Not much insight on anything else, other than it was too dark. I'm just going to disregard all of these reviews that complain about it being too dark, because that is exactly what I want it to be. I want it to be dark as fucking hell. If anything, these very few negative reviews are making me even more excited by complaining about how dark it is.

You might wanna link to the reviewer and not a poster for Boogie Nights so I can assess the review in context. ;)

Was it David Ansen? Or Anne Thompson?

Shockwave

07-14-2008, 02:19 PM

Heh. So is the reviewer trying to say its alot like Boogie Nights?:D

Batman getting frisky on his nights out?

FLAME_ON

07-14-2008, 02:58 PM

Mr.HyDe807

07-14-2008, 03:02 PM

Bourne101

07-14-2008, 03:33 PM

You might wanna link to the reviewer and not a poster for Boogie Nights so I can assess the review in context. ;)

Oh shit! :D

I had just posted a poster of Boogie Nights with a rating in the "What Film(s) Have You Watched Today" thread, and must not have copied the address to the review. Here it is...

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2008/07/21/080721crci_cinema_denby

My apologies. ;)

CyclicNightmare

07-14-2008, 03:44 PM

MadsenOMC

07-14-2008, 03:47 PM

I love it when so many people claim they know they will like it no matter what. These are the people whose reviews you can't take seriously because you know they've still got the rose coloured glasses on.

I have often felt this way about a lot of people here. For weeks (or more) they write about how awesome and kickass a movie, without question, is going to be.

Hey, I am psyched for The Dark Knight. I liked Batman Begins a whole lot and TDK looks very good. But like you I am keeping an open mind. Like you said, some reviews are hard to take seriously because the person was never, ever going to allow themselves to not love the movie.

Lazy Boy

07-14-2008, 03:54 PM

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2008/07/21/080721crci_cinema_denby

Thanks.

He gives a lot of insight, I don't see him just complaining about it being dark or too intimidating for his frail lil' self -- he's pretty much verbatim with my thoughts about the action sequences (as it relates to Begins), Bale's performance (likewise), calling this "jammed together" (another term for bloat?), with sequences that go nowhere. I will say, I'm a bit puzzled by his calling out the film for "not fighting terror" which sort of implies he wants a "hero saves the day" movie, instead of looking at what the film is trying to be...

The most stirring example is a common thread of respect, even in negative reviews such as this and Edelstein's, for the performance of Heath Ledger. Thank goodness this doesn't sound like sympathy on their behalf -- he apparently is the real deal.

spacemonkey

07-14-2008, 04:02 PM

I love it when so many people claim they know they will like it no matter what. These are the people whose reviews you can't take seriously because you know they've still got the rose coloured glasses on.

Before I get a whole bunch of shit, which I probably still will, let me reiterate that I'm excited for it too. I'm also hoping it'll be good and live up, but I'm keeping my mind as open as possible.

Really agree with this comment, Im as excited to see it as the next schmoe, but come on, this could go both ways. It could royally suck. It could not be as perfect as everybody thinks its going to be.

Of course Im hoping it will kick ass, and it looks like it will, but trailers can be very deceiving...

Shockwave

07-14-2008, 04:08 PM

"This movie is too in love with itself to make you love it."
-Marshall Fine, Star Magazine
http://www.starmagazine.com/the_dark_knight/reviews/movie/14019

Basically says Ledger is awesome but it shouldn't be a serious movie because it's based on a comic book.

I actualy like his comparison to SUPERMAN RETURNS, since how it took itself so serious being my major gripe with it. It tried too hard to be a drama and i felt it moved as a snails pace without ever really doing anything.

His review is pretty spoiler free, so if anyone wants to read it, it doesnt ruin anything.

I can actualy see his points, and why he didnt like it, even if it sounds like those are the exact reason i WILL like it. Nolan has a handle on Batman that Singer just..didnt..on Superman. X-men yes, i would trust him on anything X-men related. Superman no. He just didnt get the character.

DarkKnight81

07-14-2008, 06:24 PM

I love it when so many people claim they know they will like it no matter what.

Love it no matter what? While I'm 99% certain I'll love it, if it sucks it sucks. I was about 90% sure I'd love Indy IV and I hated that movie. At this point, until Chris Nolan makes a bad movie I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that his next movie will be amazing. Tarantino use to fall into that category as well until he made Deathproof.

Scarfather

07-14-2008, 06:28 PM

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/102/55376722bb3.jpg

Bogus.

DarkKnight81

07-14-2008, 06:36 PM

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/102/55376722bb3.jpg

Bogus.

Don't worry, the movies almost out so it will only go on for another 6 months.

Bourne101

07-14-2008, 07:01 PM

He gives a lot of insight, I don't see him just complaining about it being dark or too intimidating for his frail lil' self -- he's pretty much verbatim with my thoughts about the action sequences (as it relates to Begins), Bale's performance (likewise), calling this "jammed together" (another term for bloat?), with sequences that go nowhere. I will say, I'm a bit puzzled by his calling out the film for "not fighting terror" which sort of implies he wants a "hero saves the day" movie, instead of looking at what the film is trying to be...

"In brief, Warner Bros. has continued to drain the poetry, fantasy, and comedy out of Tim Burton’s original conception for “Batman” (1989)" -David Denby, The New Yorker

This is exactly my point. This ISN'T Burton's vision. Batman Begins opened a darker vision of Batman, it was not meant to take on the same stance as Burton and Schumacher did. You can't expect the sequel to a very dark Batman Begins to just flip a switch and go back to the other style.

It's all a matter of opinion, but I think the darker take is a much better one. With Nicholson (who is one of my favorite actors) it was just not menacing enough. The character never seemed like much of a threat, he just seemed like an annoyance for the character Batman who he would soon defeat. Nolan's take on Joker is one that I am really looking forward to because he seems like an actual threat. He looks (from what I've seen) that he has the balls to do some damage, and do shocking, brutal things. I don't want a moment of comic relief. I want to be gripped into a world that has a brooding sense of doom. One which has a reason for Batman to exist. If this world is one occupied by criminals who just like to fart around, I'm not going to care, the police should be able to take care of that.

As for the action, Bale's performance, "jammed together", we'll just have to wait and see, but a large majority of reviews have said that action is great, Bale's performance is great, and that it flows very smoothly and whizzes by at the 152 minute runtime.

Lazy Boy

07-14-2008, 07:23 PM

This is exactly my point. This ISN'T Burton's vision. Batman Begins opened a darker vision of Batman, it was not meant to take on the same stance as Burton and Schumacher did. You can't expect the sequel to a very dark Batman Begins to just flip a switch and go back to the other style.

It's all a matter of opinion, but I think the darker take is a much better one.

I thought Burton's vision was appropriately dark and morbid (perhaps overbearingly so for Returns), so I don't see any difference in that matter -- the goofy, Vegas show production of Schumacher's abortions notwithstanding. It may not be fair to compare two interpretations by two varying and different directorial styles, I don't think it's wrong to like one over the other or prefer. Me, personally, I've never been a big fan of the character or Wayne/Batman, so it's always been about the villains for me. And, seeing the '89 version as a youngster, it really did terrify me and envelop me in it's dark, fantasy world.

And, believe it or not, there were silly bits and attempts at one-liners in Begins and some humor overall that, while not terrible, was corny: Gordon driving Batman's car, etc.

CyclicNightmare

07-14-2008, 07:26 PM

I don't want a moment of comic relief.
Will you be wantin' the Batpod, sir?
In the middle of the day, Alfred? Not very subtle.
The Lamborghini then... much more subtle.

DarkKnight81

07-14-2008, 07:36 PM

I enjoy the humor between Bruce and Alfred.

Bourne101

07-14-2008, 07:49 PM

Will you be wantin' the Batpod, sir?
In the middle of the day, Alfred? Not very subtle.
The Lamborghini then... much more subtle.

Haha. I don't want A LOT of comic relief. :D

Bourne101

07-14-2008, 07:53 PM

I thought Burton's vision was appropriately dark and morbid (perhaps overbearingly so for Returns), so I don't see any difference in that matter.

Burton's films were dark to an extent, but that was more measured in atmosphere and less in storyline.

soda

07-14-2008, 07:55 PM

Cop No. 633

07-14-2008, 08:08 PM

Soda I agree wholeheartedly with you. People like that are nothing more than ignorant smug pricks who think that just because comics were once regarded for kids that they will always be.

One thing that is interesting about comics that many people fail to grasp is that it actually makes readers use both hemispheres of the brain. Not only are you taking in the visual aspects with the artwork, you're also having to read the text to comprehend the story. So it is a brain exercise in a way. So if it is just for "kids" than I'm all for it because God knows reading just isn't on too many kids' radars with all the technology we have today.

Anyway, I hope with films like that and Watchmen, it will slowly make those critics realize how stupid they were to come to such conclusions without ever reading a book.

brodeurnumber1

07-14-2008, 09:15 PM

Berardinelli gave it 4 stars, and since I trust him more than any other critic, I'm pleased.

LordSimen

07-14-2008, 09:28 PM

Katsumoto

07-14-2008, 10:11 PM

Berardinelli gave it 4 stars, and since I trust him more than any other critic, I'm pleased.

here's the review...http://www.reelviews.net/php_review_template.php?identifier=1235

Ron34

07-15-2008, 02:31 AM

here's the review...http://www.reelviews.net/php_review_template.php?identifier=1235

im liking his review, what a good review.

3 more days mother lovers!!!!!!

Terror Australis

07-15-2008, 03:00 AM

I gonna go see it first thing tomorrow! I'll tell you guys all about it when I get back....can't fucking wait!

Man, I love being an Aussie:D.

*UPDATE*

Dammit! Just found out I won't be able to see it tomorrow:mad:.

miguel_montes

07-15-2008, 03:09 AM

im liking his review, what a good review.

3 more days mother lovers!!!!!!

^^ Yeah, but his comparison of a scene with Bruce Wayne and Lucious Fox to a gadgets scene between Bond and Q made me cringe a little.

dellamorte dellamore

07-15-2008, 07:07 AM

Uh oh , it's down to 88 percent on the tomato meter , that can't be a good sign , this film was supposed to get 100 percent . This is disappointing . ( i can give two bulltits about rottentomatoes but i know some people see it it as some sort of sacred online review reference )

They had a premiere in Nyc last night , and the tumbler was there on display , too bad i had to work , would have been cool to see it in person . Oh well , guess i'll have to wait for part 3 for another chance .

spacemonkey

07-15-2008, 09:56 AM

^^ Yeah, but his comparison of a scene with Bruce Wayne and Lucious Fox to a gadgets scene between Bond and Q made me cringe a little.

But its true, thats what Ive always thought about when I see Morgan Freemans character in Begins. Lucius Fox is Bats own Q.

Only 88% at RT? Thats unexpected!

Nazgul

07-15-2008, 09:59 AM

Negative reviews are always bound to happen to a movie. Even as awesome as TDK. But I will still watch it because it is gonna be the best summer movie this year.

Shockwave

07-15-2008, 10:07 AM

88% still makes it the best Batman movie to get reviewed so far.

BEGINS finished with a 84%.

MASK OF THE PHANTASM got a 87%

RETURN OF THE JOKER got a 86%

Really, anyone who thought it was going to stay as 100% was just fooling themselves. These are all damn good scores.

Im just not expecting THE BEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME like some people. I am hyped to see a GREAT movie, but itll have to be something really grand to crack my top 3 so far this year.

Bourne101

07-15-2008, 10:21 AM

Considering there is only 26 reviews, any negative review at this point it going to greatly affect the score. I imagine with the ratio that it is at now, by the time the weekend roles around it will be in the 90s.

Shockwave

07-15-2008, 10:27 AM

Itll be interesting. While i like to look at the RT revies, in no way do they effect my love for a movie(..recognize the greatness of THE FOUNTAIN u bastards!!):D

Itll be interesting to see where it ends up. So far my top 3 for the year are WALL-E(97% damn!) Iron Man (93%) and Kung-fu Panda( 88%).

I honestly think after its all said and done itll be somewhere close to 90% or above.

Bourne101

07-15-2008, 10:32 AM

Arrow just gave it 4/4! :D

miguel_montes

07-15-2008, 10:35 AM

But its true, thats what Ive always thought about when I see Morgan Freemans character in Begins. Lucius Fox is Bats own Q.

... But that scene is equally comedical? I hope not... :(

Shockwave

07-15-2008, 10:40 AM

... But that scene is equally comedical? I hope not... :(

A little humor isnt a bad thing. As dark as this movie sounds, Itd almost be needed.

Really, i dont want the enitre film to just bask in darkness. Even Batman needs some light moments to it.

BATMAN BEGINS had them, im sure this one will as well.

spacemonkey

07-15-2008, 10:57 AM

Yeah, I seem to remember a scene in which Bruce Wayne dives into a fountain with two hot babes while dining at a fancy restaurant, comedical and effective.

Hey I dont mind the Morgan Freeman character, Im sure thats exactly what Nolan intended him to be, they guy who provides bats with all his gadgets, ala Q in the Bond movies. It certainly explains where he "gets those wonderful toys" ;)

Mr.HyDe807

07-15-2008, 11:19 AM

2 days my fellow schmoes!

EDIT- Airight, with JimmyO and Arrows excellent reviews up, i'am very optimistic for this flick, i must say! :)

Shockwave

07-15-2008, 11:21 AM

miguel_montes

07-15-2008, 01:47 PM

Video review from Ebert and Roeper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdADVQltYpM

By the way, TDK climbed to 89% or RT (25 fresh, 3 rotten).

Worthystevens

07-15-2008, 02:49 PM

Another negative review popped up on RT, which coincidentally is also from New York.

I don't mean to sound paranoid, but it's odd that the only negative reviews are coming from New York publications.

Tweek

07-15-2008, 02:54 PM

So, I read the star magazine review, and here's my beef:

"Why do comic-book movies want to be serious literature?"

What an extremely prejudiced viewpoint from someone whose obviously never read a comic book in his life.
Ugh.

If I may: I detest condescension... From the comic book reader who will give you crap about reading superhero titles (ignoring the non-superhero titles you're purchasing) as opposed to the more indie and therefore legit titles to the "enlightened" person who doesn't think comics and prose can co-exist on a bookshelf. (Long sentence, sorry.) Who the hell said that comics are all super powers and capes and what have you?

Hey I dont mind the Morgan Freeman character, Im sure thats exactly what Nolan intended him to be, they guy who provides bats with all his gadgets, ala Q in the Bond movies. It certainly explains where he "gets those wonderful toys" ;)
Morgan Freeman=Good times

Grand_Marquis

07-15-2008, 03:19 PM

So what's up with NY reviewers? Pissed that the film was shot in Chicago, maybe?

dellamorte dellamore

07-15-2008, 03:21 PM

Maybe Ny based critics are more critical because it's supposed to take place in a pseudo Nyc , i'm just guessing .

If Tdk doesn't finish with a 90 percent Rt or higher it will be a severe disappointment .

I don't get the comic relief complaints , sure they can be annoying if they don't work , but the ones in BB didn't really affect the proceedings much because they never really brought attention to themselves . The only one that i can think of that maybe didn't work was when the police officer described the tumbler as a black tank . Most of them came off as natural and sensible like the Billionaire , Spelunking , Base Jumping crowd crack by Fox .

I don't know , but this is a movie with a guy who runs around in clown makeup , it's going to be inherently humorous at times , i don't know what they were expecting . Too humorous , not serious enough , too serious or not humorous enough , these sound like people that are just looking for something to gripe about .

I may agree about the running time , around 2 hours is perfect , but 2 and a half , that may be pushing it . There is only so much brooding , drama , and Joker i'll be able to take before i start getting antsy . Plus , they should think about people who have to use the restroom , come on man , the editing program is your friend . Then again , it may fly by without me even noticing , and i'll wish there was more , i'll know soon enough .

Grand_Marquis

07-15-2008, 03:27 PM

haha! It looks like you're responding to me, even though we posted at the same time. :p

If Tdk doesn't finish with a 90 percent Rt or higher it will be a severe disappointment .

I'd like to note that TDK has about 30 reviews on RT right now. Typically, films like this end up with around 150 reviews by the end of their opening weekend.

dellamorte dellamore

07-15-2008, 03:58 PM

Lol , that is funny . if it wasn't so expensive to film in Nyc they may have actually filmed some scenes here , i don't blame them for going somewhere else , although Chicago is a more than fine substitute .

It is sort of weird though , Nyc is the supposed inspiration for Gotham city but only one of the films have been shot here , and that was only a couple of scenes , BF ( the mansion located in Old Westbury LI and the outside of the building where Chase had her office which was in midtown Manhattan ) . Maybe that's why i have an affinity for that film :) .

This brings me to another one of my rambling observations . I think Nolan knew , that in order to create a realistic Gotham / Batman universe , it was in his best interest to shoot as much as he could on location , what better way to convey a sense of realism than to film scenes in an actual metropolis ( and the scenes in Iceland ) , if done correctly it's always more effective than shooting everything on a soundstage . I think this went along way to bringing Batman out of the fantastical comic book world and into a sort of narrative realism .

Just a side note , i think for a very brief moment in time Shu was on to something with BF , it's when he went on location , the film took on a more realistic tone , but once he went the soundstage route , it conflicted with the excellent scenes on location .

Allright last random observation for now , to illustrate how effective on location can be , i point to the scene in the trailer when Batman is on top of a tall building , looking down towards the city below just before he jumps . I had no idea that they filmed this on the actual Sears Tower in Chicago , that is some bravura cinematography right there , and bale was actually up there , it wasn't a stuntman . It's no doubt going to become an iconic image , and if they did it on a soundstage in front of a bluescreen i doubt it would have had the same effect . I don't know if this will make any sense , but something hit me when i first saw that scene in the trailer , they somehow managed to create a sort of reverse visual dichotomy . With a slight upward pan , in one sweeping , magical moment they created a sense of isolation and claustrophobia while simultaneously conveying sense of majesty , power and " epic-ness " . Don't know if that makes sense , but to me that scene sums up the genius of all involved . Not one frame is wasted ( even if i may get impatient ) , and there is always multiple visual layers that affect multiple emotional tones .

Scarfather

07-15-2008, 04:03 PM

Maybe Ny based critics are more critical because it's supposed to take place in a pseudo Nyc , i'm just guessing

It's Chicago. And Chicago film critics have been liking it.

miguel_montes

07-15-2008, 04:06 PM

Wow... all of the negative reviews are from guys from New York? What's up with that!? That's a weird "coincidence", isn't it?
Is that like a revenge? Did someone bought them to write negative reviews?...

All of the arguments written to knock down TDK so far make no sense. Too dark, tries too hard to transcend the cartoon world, Nolan is a hack (this guy writes (http://www.timeout.com/film/newyork/reviews/84507/the-dark-knight.html)).

I'm seriously pondering the validity of the sentence "everyone is entitled to their opinion". Should they really be??
Sometimes I wish censorship was a more common thing these days, because good things get trashed "just because" or "because I get payed to do it" and not because it rightfully deserves. And vice-versa: bad things get glowing benefits, not because it's justified, but because it's good for business.

Cop No. 633

07-15-2008, 04:14 PM

haha, who really cares? The only opinion that matters is the one you form after watching the film. If bad reviews bother you that much, just ignore them until after you watch the movie and then read them to get a laugh.

spacemonkey

07-15-2008, 04:16 PM

I know the positive side of things...Im interested in knowing what are the main negative points made in the reviews that have been released?

dellamorte dellamore

07-15-2008, 04:22 PM

It's Chicago. And Chicago film critics have been liking it.

I know , that's why i wrote pseudo Ny . Gotham is based on Nyc / Manhattan , Chicago is a stand in for Gotham in BB and Tdk , maybe they have a bug up their bum because of that .

miguel_montes

07-15-2008, 04:31 PM

The only opinion that matters is the one you form after watching the film.

I wish that were true, I really do. But that is never the case. People always trust more in a collective opinion than of only one individual. That's how democracy works and basically every aspect of life. You do, not what is best for you, but what is best for everyone. At least, that how it should be. The fact that "my opinion is the only one that counts" is, in my opinion ( ironically speaking ;) ), selfish and more frequently, the current state of today's society.

When one negative (in this case, four) opinion impacts the general view of a movie, you have to acknowledge that something is wrong there. If it's wrong, why give it the same validity as the generally correct ones? Sure, it's their opinion. But why are they even allowed to have them, if they contradict the natural way of things? It seems unnatural to me.

Anyway, this is just some jibberish, it might not even make sense, and I know I'm really contradicting myself, but I hope I made myself clear.

DaMovieMan

07-15-2008, 04:32 PM

For those who have seen the film, and without giving ANYTHING away, please answer this:

Is there any hint at who might be the villain in the third Batman movie?

Yes or No please :D

dellamorte dellamore

07-15-2008, 04:34 PM

I don't understand why people are even reading reviews before they see it , do they want to take a chance on having even more of the film ruined for them . I would suggest , stop reading reviews right now and go in fresh for once , then read all the reviews you want and see if you agree with what the people wrote .

miguel_montes

07-15-2008, 04:42 PM

For every reviewer who thinks TDK it too dark:

http://www.cracked.com/video_16489_it-time-batman-tone-it-down.html

:P

spacemonkey

07-15-2008, 04:49 PM

I know the positive side of things...Im interested in knowing what are the main negative points made in the reviews that have been released?

bvis2430

07-15-2008, 04:56 PM

Well I gave it a 10 and it's probably my favorite movie of all time. But then I criticized the Tumbler chase scene and somebody was like, "how can you criticize your favorite movie?...yada, yada, yada." What I'm saying is I'll probably love this movie to death, but that doesn't mean I'll see right through its shortcomings. No movie is perfect and I'm sure the same will be said of the Dark Knight...but I bet it will be damn close.

i dont know if u have seen it yet but it hasnt been released here yet i ll see it on friday im pretty excited. i would go on thursday for the midnight but its my 21st haha thats seems to be the talk of other ppl

Cop No. 633

07-15-2008, 05:07 PM

I wish that were true, I really do. But that is never the case. People always trust more in a collective opinion than of only one individual. That's how democracy works and basically every aspect of life. You do, not what is best for you, but what is best for everyone. At least, that how it should be. The fact that "my opinion is the only one that counts" is, in my opinion ( ironically speaking ;) ), selfish and more frequently, the current state of today's society.

When one negative (in this case, four) opinion impacts the general view of a movie, you have to acknowledge that something is wrong there. If it's wrong, why give it the same validity as the generally correct ones? Sure, it's their opinion. But why are they even allowed to have them, if they contradict the natural way of things? It seems unnatural to me.

Anyway, this is just some jibberish, it might not even make sense, and I know I'm really contradicting myself, but I hope I made myself clear.

If it's one negative opinion why bother getting worked up over it? I don't and I sleep very well. ;) What I meant by the only opinion that matters is your own is that at this point none of us have seen it yet. How can I defend something I haven't seen? Or get worked up over a review to a film I haven't seen? I'm better off just ignoring it, like all the scenes that have come up online and countless spoilers because I'd rather get the full theater experience than have to worry about some guy trashing it.

I think you may have taken it out of context and applied it to the state of the world whereas I'm not like that at all. I keep myself informed and I try to form opinions on logic and history. When it comes to movies, it's more about how I react to the art. Art is subjective and we all get something different out of the work.

LordSimen

07-15-2008, 05:31 PM

I know the positive side of things...Im interested in knowing what are the main negative points made in the reviews that have been released?

I'm seeing some of the negative reviews mentioning that the film has too much going on and doesn't keep track of all it's story lines, that it's bloated and some characters appear and disappear at the drop of a hat.

The second main complaint I have noticed a lot of is how the action scenes are shot- Essentially the same problem people had with Batman Begin's action, shot too close, too tightly edited, hard to tell what's going on.

I have no idea how true any of that is, but it's those are the main complaints I've been reading.

DME

07-15-2008, 05:33 PM

For every reviewer who thinks TDK it too dark:

http://www.cracked.com/video_16489_it-time-batman-tone-it-down.html

:P

I checked that out this morning. Hilarious. "They're haunted."