Halloween 6 Producer's Cut? Slightly better than Zombie's Remake

[SteeleDude]

I finally caught the Producer's cut and I must say I don't see much difference between what was released and what wasn't. There was some extra druid mumbo jumbo and Loomis had a slightly extended role, but overall it was pretty silly shit.

And it still captured the mood of the original Halloween much better than the remake.

[Dolf]

Watching bird shit dry is better than the remake.

[shoe1985]

The main differences are the ending, and the beginning. There are minor things here and there. I did like them going back to H5 with this one, but I still think the ending was weak. It was a little better than the T-Cut, but not much. I find them both to be decent movies. It is just those final 15 minutes or so when the movie just loses its footing.

[g1ng3rsnap9ed]

I found H6 to be a 'cut' above the remake!(Ha!You get it,a 'cut' above!!Ehh,curse my dry humour.)But in all seriousness I love H6 and hate the remake,Danielle Harris aside.

[Brendan M.]

Oh that Danielle Harris. If only her nude scene could have been longer.

I still have yet to see the producer's cut of H6 but I want to.

[Antonio141]

OK since I'm a diehard fan of this franchise...where can I find the H6 Producer's Cut? And it better be a helluva lot better than that awful Dicretor's Cut I saw of HALLOWEEN II on AMC one night! What a steaming pile of elephant dung! Rosenthal should've been taken out back and shot for that one!

[Ratlehed]

OK since I'm a diehard fan of this franchise...where can I find the H6 Producer's Cut? And it better be a helluva lot better than that awful Dicretor's Cut I saw of HALLOWEEN II on AMC one night! What a steaming pile of elephant dung! Rosenthal should've been taken out back and shot for that one!

Ask in the buy/sell/trade section to see if someone heas a copy. Its much better than the TV version of H2. Which was H2 with scenes switched around. H6 P-CUT has completely different scenes.

I like the P-Cut opened ending which set-up for what could've been a decent next chapter. The last 15 mins.of the T-Cut makes no sense.

[teenkiller]

I have trouble remembering the differences between the two but I own both and I remember thinking that the Producer's cut was definitely better. One day I'll have to give them a rewatch. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[Brendan M.]

OK since I'm a diehard fan of this franchise...where can I find the H6 Producer's Cut? And it better be a helluva lot better than that awful Dicretor's Cut I saw of HALLOWEEN II on AMC one night! What a steaming pile of elephant dung! Rosenthal should've been taken out back and shot for that one!

I didn't even know there was a director's cut of H2.

[shoe1985]

I didn't even know there was a director's cut of H2.

There is a cut where Jimmy lives at the end, and minor differences. Nothing to get really excited about. Not like H6, where you get a different ending, and more scenes added in.

[Fettdog]

I too haven't seen either version for a while, but I remember enjoying the P-cut better then the T-cut, although both were entertaining.

As for Zombie's remake, I though both cuts (theatrical and workprint) were OK, but they didn't really capture the feel of the original for me (and the workprint was better than the theatrical in my view.)

[SteeleDude]

Something I meant to ask when I started this thread: Obviously there are a number of years between Halloween 5 and 6, and I'm fairly certain that Farrands didn't write H5. So did he make up all this thorn stuff on his own, or did the producers point him in that direction as that's where they wanted to go with the whole man in black thing? In H5 you see thorn on the man in black's wrist, so clearly that was a clue to the original intent. I'm just curious if the whole druid hitman thing was the direction they were going back in 1989 before H5 bombed...

[Dolf]

Something I meant to ask when I started this thread: Obviously there are a number of years between Halloween 5 and 6, and I'm fairly certain that Farrands didn't write H5. So did he make up all this thorn stuff on his own, or did the producers point him in that direction as that's where they wanted to go with the whole man in black thing? In H5 you see thorn on the man in black's wrist, so clearly that was a clue to the original intent. I'm just curious if the whole druid hitman thing was the direction they were going back in 1989 before H5 bombed...

From what I've read and seen, the director/writers/producers of Part 5 weren't sure where to go with the Thorn/Man in Black story. Farrands was a huge Halloween fan and decided to continue the story accordingly. As for the actual Thorn rune, I believe they embellished its definition-- you can find more info on Thorn here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%9A%A6

[shoe1985]

Dolf is pretty much correct. I might repeat many things he wrote, but that is ok.

Halloween 5 was more of a setup for H6. I am not sure if the plan was for the writers and director to return for H6, but obviously, after H5, they weren't coming back. There were delays for many years because of who owned the rights to the series, and other legal mumbo jumbo. Daniel Farrands came on board and was allowed the freedom to design a story that would give an explanation. He did a lot of research on the symbol, and tried to add something new to the story of Halloween.

Now he did write a good script, some say great script, I would too. The problem I always found is those final 15 minutes never seemed to add closure. We get this great buildup, then it is about revealing the man in black, and that finale.

I had a chance to talk with Mr. Farrands about the scripting process, and he provided me with two early scripts. These are not the ones on most of the script sites.

Here is one of them:
http://www.geocities.com/simmogul/H6first.doc

Here is the other one:
http://www.geocities.com/simmogul/HALLOWEEN666.doc


As you can see, he did have a great finale, but for some reason, the producers didn't agree. Opinions on what could have been?

[SteeleDude]

Dolf--do you think the original creators of H5 intended to go in the direction of Thorn, or was the tattoo a coincidence? I know Farrands watched H5 and went from there, but I wonder what the original guys wanted to do. Or maybe we'll never know.

[Duke Nukem]

"Halloween 666: The Producer's Cut" is miles better than the remake. And to be fair with the remake, I considered it avarage. The content within its fresh point of view ranged from 1 to 2 dimensional. It was not completely unwatchable.

But H666, I consider that on a whole other level above it. It came time to do something different and not deliver another rehash of the same story. Especially after how "blah" H5 turned out. If you want different, H666 and H6are both that. And I consider the theatrical cut watchable on its own terms as well. It's not that bad either. But I completely understand why others give it a hard time. For that matter, I find something to like in every H-film. Better doing that than complaining about the lesser sequels for the rest of your life.

H666 was all the ideas the Daniel Farrands came up with, at least the ones that weren't shot down by the studio. It is dark and complex, and admittedly a little too dark and complex for its own good. I blame this on the yes-no-yes-no-yes-no treatment Farrands received. If they stayed true to what he wanted, it could have been far more fulfilling.

One of you said that it was all build-up and little pay-off in the end. I feel the same. If the on-and-off-the-set problems didn't take place, we might have had a fuller H6, leading to a fuller H7. I think it would have taken more than one film to smoothly play out this story arc. But for what it's worth, what we do get in H666 is fulfilling enough.

There is some *very* dark stuff that occurs, which some fans don't want to believe. The way I look at it, it's a damn Druid cult. Strange stuff is going to take place. For those who know what I'm talking about, the Druids meant for certain strange things to take place for that Halloween. For them, it was like fate and a prophecy.

Overall, the P-cut is clearer about the mystery surrounding Michael Myers. Not completely clear since Farrands didn't always get his way, but unlike the theatrical cut, it was not afraid to delve into dark territory. Whereas H6 chickened out, H666 tried to tell the truth.

Whether its H6 or H666, certain things (and flaws) remained the same. Which is why some fans may not see *that* many differences in H666. But they're there. The beginning and ending both are different, and there are various scenes in the middle that add more. Overall, I consider it a deeper, more mature film. The ending in particular I thought was a great cliffhanger to end off on. There may have been more to the ending from Farrands end, but that last executed scene of this unfortunately dead storyline does lead us to believe that - what could have been - would have been awesome to look forward to.

I consider H666 the single best sequel, at least to H1-2-4-5-6. Regardless, it is better than "H20" and "Resurrection" from the other storyline as well.

Speaking of that other storyline, I recently came up with my own end-all sequel to it. I did my very best and tried to provide closure to H1-2-H20-8. And since accomplishing it and posting it here, I don't feel like my job is done. And I don't feel that the would-be events that H666 was leading up to is necessarily dead either.

In the form of a motion picture, we'll never get the answers to the questions H666 raised. However, as one fan would ask daring questions, another fan is finally going to try providing answers to them. That fan is me. I always wanted to see Michael's nephew face up to him, and I made him do that. And at the same time, I've always wanted to continue where the ending of H666 left off. The most important thing is taking the ideas presented in H666 and taking them further. And I have some very solid ideas of my own to match Farrands'. So, you might have something to look forward to beyond H666 after all. You might have...Halloween 7: The Peace of Michael Myers.

For any fans questioning if "Halloween 666: The Producer's Cut" is worth it, I say it is. If you can get your hands on it, get it. And for the fans who have seen it and behold what it wanted to lead up to...you may finally get that closure in the near future.

[shoe1985]

Duke, are you talking about The P-Cut in what you talked about or the early drafts I provided? The drafts are both early scripts, they are not either of the finished products.

In both drafts, you get the cliffhanger, and you want more. With the T-Cut and P-Cut, you are kind of scratching your head. SPOILERS AHEAD, screw it, if you are here, you know what happens anyways.

With the T-Cut, I thought it was fun watching Tommy beat Michael with the pipe. It isn't like he was in a boxing match with Michael, he had a damn pipe. The problem I have is the green ooze. What is that even about? They needed a better ending, and something to prove that everything about Thorn was false, maybe have Michael kill Dr. Wynn.

With the P-Cut, the whole ritual to make Michael stop was very lame. The ending was a little better, but not what it should have been.

I enjoyed both movies building everything up, I had no real issue with anything until the final 15-20 minutes, then they both fall apart. From what I know, these are the only two endings that were shot. This kind of sucks because Farrands, from our conversations, did say they had some great endings, like the ones in those early drafts. This would bring in a darker ending, but a great cliffhanger.

[Dolf]

Dolf--do you think the original creators of H5 intended to go in the direction of Thorn, or was the tattoo a coincidence? I know Farrands watched H5 and went from there, but I wonder what the original guys wanted to do. Or maybe we'll never know.

From what I've read, those involved weren't sure where to go with the idea (although one stated they were considering having the man in black be a blood relative of Michael's). As for Thorn/tattoo being "intentional"-- well, maybe they had it in the back of their minds as the whole druid thing was alluded to in Halloween II (as well as the Halloween novelization of the film in 1978). But, unfortunately, I think the definite answer to your question is that we won't know for sure.

You may find it interesting that Tarantino was commissioned to write/direct H6, but eventually turned it down. However, in a recent interview, he mused on what his outline for his story was.

[shoe1985]

From what I've read, those involved weren't sure where to go with the idea (although one stated they were considering having the man in black be a blood relative of Michael's). As for Thorn/tattoo being "intentional"-- well, maybe they had it in the back of their minds as the whole druid thing was alluded to in Halloween II (as well as the Halloween novelization of the film in 1978). But, unfortunately, I think the definite answer to your question is that we won't know for sure.

You may find it interesting that Tarantino was commissioned to write/direct H6, but eventually turned it down. However, in a recent interview, he mused on what his outline for his story was.

Actually, not to ruin your bubble, but Tarantino was only going to be a producer. They had a script, which is kind of funny because Moustapha hated it, but was going to use it. Don't get that idea, but anyways. Tarantino was going to produce with his one friend going to direct it.

The thorn tattoo was really just thrown in for the explanation to be explained in the next sequel. So, the H5 director and writers were tossing ideas in for the next person to answer questions they more than likely had no answers for. As for the Man in Black, it was an idea Moustapha had. Nobody knew who it would be, not even the people making the movie. It was said on the set that it could be Michael's twin brother.

So, H5 was pretty much a movie with ideas that lead to nowhere. It was rushed with the hope that the people making H6 would provide answers. After H4, which was a good movie, we get a rushed movie.

[Dolf]

Actually, not to ruin your bubble, but Tarantino was only going to be a producer. They had a script, which is kind of funny because Moustapha hated it, but was going to use it. Don't get that idea, but anyways. Tarantino was going to produce with his one friend going to direct it.

The thorn tattoo was really just thrown in for the explanation to be explained in the next sequel. So, the H5 director and writers were tossing ideas in for the next person to answer questions they more than likely had no answers for. As for the Man in Black, it was an idea Moustapha had. Nobody knew who it would be, not even the people making the movie. It was said on the set that it could be Michael's twin brother.

So, H5 was pretty much a movie with ideas that lead to nowhere. It was rushed with the hope that the people making H6 would provide answers. After H4, which was a good movie, we get a rushed movie.

You are correct for the most part :) Below is the link to the article, fun stuff:

http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=3627

[shoe1985]

Yeah, he had ideas for it, but they already had a script, which they hated, but were going to use? I honestly don't like his idea, and find it to be outside of what makes Halloween, Halloween. But, he is very good at what he does, so maybe he could have done something special with it.

I know a lot about H6 because I have spoken with Mr. Farrands on many occasions, and discussed the whole development of the movie.

[Duke Nukem]

When I speak of the cliffhanger ending to "Halloween 666: The Producer's Cut," I am talking about the one in the finished film. Heck, if I'm going to have fun with this, and take advantage of where they left off, I'm going to play off the P-cut rather than the T-cut. The T-cut had far more problems at the end than the P-cut.

I have not read any of the original drafts by Farrands, but I have read interviews with him. I would consider the filmed ending of the P-cut a hell of a cliffhanger on its own. I liked it, and yeah, it is a head-scratcher.
Obviously, what it promises in the would-be sequel is impossible to do at this point, at least on film. But I have been gathering solid ideas to work around that, the long unanswered questions, and everything that left fans puzzled.

While I had no problem with a certain character's answer to stopping Michael in his tracks in the P-cut, I will not be repeating that in H7. I plan on doing different things in a different movie.

At the same time, I am thinking of the best possible ideas in respect of Donald Pleasance as well. That is the most important thing that I cannot afford to screw up.

[shoe1985]

You could do a middle movie, between H6 and H20. Continue from where H6 left off, and go from there and have it lead into H20.

[Duke Nukem]

A middle movie would be cool, but it is out of the question. H20 has nothing to do with H6. There's H1-2-4-5-6 and H1-2-H20-8. When I first got really interested (okay, obsessed) with this series in 2002, I tried my darndest to put both storylines back together in the form of H9. It can't be done. Too many story holes between them. So, in the past few months, I wrote "Halloween: The Blood of Michael Myers," my answer to H1-2-H20-8. It is posted now in the General Horror Talk forums. And since finishing it, I really want to write my answer to H1-2-4-5-666. That storyline also deserves closure.

From that thread in the Franchise Forums to this thread, I get the feeling you might be getting sick of me. If I come off strong at times, I apologize. I'm just a really passionate H-fan.

[Duke Nukem]

After reading that article about Tarintino, I'm glad he didn't have a hand in making H6. I will always appreciate what he did with "Kill Bill," but whether he was kidding about the "Michael + Man in Black on the road" plot, I have a shakey feeling about what he would have done period.

[Ratlehed]

They should just make a DTV DVD box set for H-6. The T-Cut and P-Cut. Plus one more movie to end that part of tha Halloween franchise. Picking up were the P-Cut left off of course. Just throw the Myers mask on the DVD cover and it would sell.

Thanks for those drafts, Shoe. I wanna read them as soon as I have a chance.

[shoe1985]

Ratlehed, don't see it ever happening, the boxset. Different companies own the distribution rights, and they would never come together to form a boxset.

I was a big fan of the series, but the remake ruined my obsession. I watch the old series once in a while, but not as much as I used too.

[SteeleDude]

Interesting Dolf--I've always wondered what the original guys were kicking around, but I guess we can never really know. I love the Taratino stuff.

After reading that article about Tarintino, I'm glad he didn't have a hand in making H6. I will always appreciate what he did with "Kill Bill," but whether he was kidding about the "Michael + Man in Black on the road" plot, I have a shakey feeling about what he would have done period.

But it couldn't have been worse than H6 in either format that exists. I was reading Tarantino's ideas and thinking--"wow, this would be terrible" but it couldn't be as bad as H6. Of course the Halloween Remake was worse because of a mismatched director, so the same could be true for Tarantino attached to something so different from himself. I can't imagine Michael and the man in black sitting in a diner letting the shit settle.

I'll be honest about Farrands--I don't think he's that good. I know he argues the studio hacked his wonderful vision, but I've to go on the evidence we have, and his vision was complicated and silly and had nothing to do with Michael Myers. Tarantino's idea of a man in black bounty hunter makes more sense to me, or a blood relative, but Farrands brought in all this magic and despite his dedication as a fan of the series, he missed the whole point. I think he's just a bad writer.

[Duke Nukem]

I'm actually watching H666 right now and specifically the ending, so I know exactly where to leave off for for H7. The bars are there are at the top and bottom with the running numbers, but they don't bother me at all. I can live with that. I can watch the whole thing in that format. I just can't live with over-the-top directors like Rob Zombie, as well as H6's own Joe Chappelle. What Chappelle did originally with H666 was fine. What he did for H6 to "MTV' it up" was annoying. And Rob Zombie came from MTV and so on. I remembering now some of my pre-remake thoughts. What I fear was that Rob Zombie would end up being another Joe Chappelle. And I was right.

I'm not going to say Farrands is the best writer, but what he provided to the series as fan was a lot. I don't think his writing is that bad, or bad at all really. Some of it may not have perfect, and I blame that on the intense pressure he was under by the studio to the get the script done.

One thing I do agree with is that his vision was complicated. But not silly. Overall, I was willing to accept the dark turn by the Druids and the black magic. It's a Druid cult, they aren't going to be doing school plays and bake sale. As long as Michael is supposed to be *literally* possessed by pure evil, who says that black magic can't be a part of it. You say that isn't Halloween, I say it can be if it is executed well enough, and I thought it was. That's where we seem to draw the line and I respect your difference in opinion. It's not just us. Half of the fanbase is torn over this develpement.

I can just imagine Tarintino's Bounty Hunter/Man in Black spouting out irrelavent monologues and F-bombs every which way.

Sorry to hear, Shoe, that the remake ruined your obsession with the series. It almost ruined mine. I was really bummed for a while. It was because of the remake that I decided to finally write my own H-sequels. Once they started from scratch - again -and shredded away every *naive* hope of closure to both storylines, I realized that it was officially up to me now if I wanted to see the H-movies I wanted.

[Ratlehed]

I'm actually watching H666 right now and specifically the ending, so I know exactly where to leave off for for H7. The bars are there are at the top and bottom with the running numbers, but they don't bother me at all. I can live with that. I can watch the whole thing in that format. I just can't live with over-the-top directors like Rob Zombie, as well as H6's own Joe Chappelle. What Chappelle did originally with H666 was fine. What he did for H6 to "MTV' it up" was annoying.

Thats exactly what I thought when I saw H6 on AMC last month. They really did "MTV It". They have those stupid rock songs playing in there for no reason. There were a few other things that where added to make it "hip". But I forget what at the moment.

I didnt mind the "magic" stuff. It would make sense since Michael never died like Jason or Freddy. Mike got shot, stabbed, and burned and pretty much shrugged it off.

Its sad that there are pretty much 3 different series' of the Halloween franchise and none of them are finished.

Oh yeah, the remake sucked. Not as bad as Ressurerction but it was down there.

[shoe1985]

I'll be honest about Farrands--I don't think he's that good. I know he argues the studio hacked his wonderful vision, but I've to go on the evidence we have, and his vision was complicated and silly and had nothing to do with Michael Myers. Tarantino's idea of a man in black bounty hunter makes more sense to me, or a blood relative, but Farrands brought in all this magic and despite his dedication as a fan of the series, he missed the whole point. I think he's just a bad writer.

Read those early drafts I provided, there really was nothing complicated about his ideas. They were actually pretty simple, and the story was much more straightforward then presented.

You have to remember that H5 and H6 had a lot of problems. H4 brought the series back, and they had so many directions they could go in. They went with bringing Michael back, which I was happy about, I don't think I would have enjoyed a little girl killing people. But they rushed the movie, they tossed things in with no explanation, and we got what we got. Then with H6, it took like 5 or 6 years before anything happened. It landed in Dimension Films hands and we got a movie that had a lot of promise, but too many hands in the cookie jar.

With the middle of the series, it seemed like it was trying to find a direction for future sequels, but it had to get through the movies it was in first. I liked H5, it had some pretty good ideas, but that is all it really was, an idea movie. The story was somewhat there, but it needed more rewrites. H6 had some really good drafts, but a poor director, crappy studio, and so on.

The reason the first Halloween works is that it is simple movie. A man stalking and killing babysitters on Halloween night. You know nothing about him except he killed his sister, and he was locked up only to escape. Simple. Then you introduce that he is going after his other sister. Then things go from simple to a little bit more complicated for some, but intrigue for others.

When you get to sequel 5 or 6 the well is usually out of water, and has run its course. With this series, there were still ideas, but the creative team wasn't really there. It became about money, and not about putting out a great product. If you create a great product, the money will follow it.

[Dolf]

It's been awhile since I've seen such an extensive H6 discussion on a message board :)

For me, the Halloween story ended with H6 Producer's Cut. It pretty much tied up the series I grew up with and loved.

I remember seeing H6 in theaters and leaving thinking: "Okay, that wasn't bad, but I waited six years to have it end like that?" Obviously, I was also a bit confused by the film (at the time, the P-Cut wasn't really discussed or available).

Three years later... H20.

I was BULLSHIT (haha)...

I couldn't believe they just disregarded everything in the prior films (I remember going so far as to say it was a disgrace to the memory of Donald Pleasence).

Shortly after, the P-Cut was becoming available, and after much searching (it was more difficult back then), I watched it...

... and I felt like that kid again watching H4... and the kid being excited one year later when I saw the H5 trailer.

For me, the series had been the dichotomy between Loomis and Michael. Although I can understand that "explaining Michael" was probably detrimental to the series, I loved the P-Cut's ending that tied up this relationship (albeit a sad one).

[shoe1985]

So, we kind of went a little off topic about whether H6 P-Cut is better than RZ's remake. I think it is a lot better. I find watching the remake more and more, it gets worse. When you begin to get into the movie, it goes off either the language or the violence ruins the mood. Now the violence wasn't the worst ever, but it was like Rob was trying to go for a more violent movie, and have as much shock value as possible.

With the P-Cut, the only problem I ever really had was the final 15 minutes in really either cut. The story was strong until then. It was like they didn't know how they wanted to end it, even though they had many decent ways to end it.

[Ratlehed]

[QUOTE=shoe1985;2842038]So, we kind of went a little off topic about whether H6 P-Cut is better than RZ's remake. I think it is a lot better. I find watching the remake more and more, it gets worse. When you begin to get into the movie, it goes off either the language or the violence ruins the mood. Now the violence wasn't the worst ever, but it was like Rob was trying to go for a more violent movie, and have as much shock value as possible.
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I watched Zombies movie at the theater and once on DVD. But I doubt I'll ever watch it again. Except for the Danielle Harris scene.:) It didnt feel like a "Halloween" movie at all. It was just a generic slasher. Even the 70's rock music felt out off place.

Also Zombie kept saying how he wanted to make Michael more human and scary again. He didnt. Mikes brushing off bullets and somehow manages to find his sister, who he hasnt seen in decades, in a matter of hours. If you really think bout the movie alot of it doesnt work.

The only thing the remake had going for it was Danielle Harris, Big Joe Grizzly, and that Tyler Mane made a good killer.

The T-Cut and the P-cut of H-6 are far superior to the remake.

Chaos Comics made Halloween: The Blackest Eyes. Its a 3 issue comic story that takes place after H20 but also includes the Thorn cult and Tommy from part 6. Its pretty good.

[g1ng3rsnap9ed]

yea,Danielle Harris is one of my many on-screen loves too.Too bad she had to show her stuff in this film out of any others that she's been in though.Maybe if we concentrate real hard we can replace the scene from RZ's Halloween and put it in H6


...Nope,didn't work!

I had the same experience with RZ's film too,I saw it once in theatres,then once on DVD.Both versions sucked IMO.(However I do give my thanks b/c if it were never made I would have gone to see the dreadful Super Bad.Ugh!!!)

[Duke Nukem]

Anyone know the name of the sheriff from Haddonfield in H6? He was only a minor character, but I'm looking into using him for my own H7. I tried IMDB and got nothing. Anyone know? What about you, shoe1985? You seem to know an awful lot about H6.

[Duke Nukem]

I guess you might as well scratch that question. As long as the sheriff's name was never given in both versions of H6, it doesn't really matter. I'm best off naming him myself for H7.

But just to keep this thread interesting, let's compare the sheriff from H6 to the ones from H1 through H5. Leigh Brackett was the sheriff in H1-2, and he clearly wanted the best for Haddonfield. He was a nice guy and was veeeerrry pacient with Loomis (given that 15 years of uneventful Halloweens occured). Sadly, his only daughter was murdered that Halloween, and as we would find out later, he retired and left Haddonfield. This is part of what makes the earlier films of this series tragic and involving I think. Even though his daughter was a bit of an obnoxious bitch. Yes, I said it.

Ben Meeker was the sheriff in H4-5. He had a lot in common in Brackett. he was nice, wanted the best for Haddonfield, and when the angel of death (Loomis) crashed into town, he listened. He had to since Loomis was right before and especially since Michael has escaped once again. He was also very understanding to deal with Loomis again and remain sheriff in H5 AFTER his own only daughter would also be murdered in H4.

A lot of the same parallels with Brackett. And if that's not enough, his daughter was a bit of flakey slut. Yeah, I said that too. In the long run, I think he stayed because of the aftermath of H4. He had to keep Haddonfield together. And knowing what's up with Jamie Lloyd, he probably was waiting for Michael to come back so he could finish him off himself. Out of revenge. He kind of did, he got to put him behind a cell door. But the Man in Black would finish him and the entire police department off at the very end. I couldn't imagine him going out without a fight.

Which leads to the sheriff in H6. He had only been sheriff for six years, and nothing personal happens to him or his family like the other two, so I imagine him remaining sheriff by the time of H7. Which is ultimately the most interesting thing you can say about him. He only had one scene in H6 and that was at the barn where they find Jamie Lloyd. Loomis and Wynn had alerted them, and the sheriff-without-a-name was ready to order them AWAY from Haddonfield before anything happened. No telling how nice or mean of a guy he was. He must have been hellbent on keeping Loomis out of Haddonfield after the chaotic aftermath of H5. But he did come off as a bit of asshole in that one scene. It probably was better off that they focused less on this third sheriff, since there was enough nonsense they had to get out of the way with knives, Druid rituals, and the weirdo spying on the Strodes from across the street.

With that said, I don't plan on doing a whole lot with the sheriff-without-a-name in H7. There might end up being some action with him and the deputies when the shit once again hits the fan (don't worry, a machanical fan like the one in "Airplane!"; not one of you!) I don't plan on focusing on his family life like H1-2, H4-5, and even my own "Halloween: The Blood of Michael Myers" did. There are more important things to have fun with like knives, Druid rituals, and that weirdo across the street spying on the Strodes.

[Ratlehed]

I thought for the 2 mins of screen time the Sheriff got, he was kind of a jerk. I thought maybe he would be in the cult. But if he was Wynn would've told him to try to keep Loomis in town and help him out. So Loomis could be captured later.

I think the Sheriff in 6 was just trying to keep things quite.

[Duke Nukem]

Asshole, jerk, trying to keep things quiet, yeah. The idea of him, or anyone, possibly being a Druid member is a great benefit to come out of H6. Now that the cult has been exposed, *anyone* could be one of them. It's almost like who has or hasn't been invaded by a bodysnatcher. It's creepy when you think about it. The sheriff though, unlikely. He was definitely trying to mark 1995 the sixth consecetive uneventful Halloween to pass. Nice try.

[shoe1985]

I was thinking, you would think during the time of Halloween, the police would be out patrolling all the streets to make sure Michael wasn't out there. But you never really see that. You always see people out having a good old time like there is no history of a psycho going out at Halloween time, killing anyone that gets in his path.

[Duke Nukem]

That is a really good point. Technically, I think they did have deputies on patrol during trick-or-treating in a lot of the films. Particularly H1-2-4-5. Almost everytime Loomis came back to warn them, the sheriff's listened and had do something. I think the flaw is that they didn't actually show the deputies patrolling and potentially endangering themselves. You could also say that they have to keep the festival of Halloween and trick-or-treating going, or what will that do to Haddonfield? What will people say? What will it do tourism? They have to *try* being a normal small town and not get attention.

This was something I thought out about when I wrote "Halloween: The Blood of Michael Myers." Especially since it took place one year after the webcam stint. Now that Michael has shown his unseen face again in 24 years, they have to do something. I made a point of definitely having all the deputies on patrol and even some of them watching over the Myers house. You can bet I took advantage of that and cranked up the suspense factor.

[shoe1985]

I get your point because you would have a lot of copycats coming to town. I am surprised they didn't show more cops out though. He came home 7 times, not counting 3 or the remake.