WATCHMEN

[Smiert Spionam]

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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An easter egg, a test shot of Rorschach visible in a single frame at 1:52 in the R-rated 300 trailer

For those that aren't aware, Watchmen is twelve-issue comic-turned-graphic novel written in 1986 by Alan Moore (V for Vendetta, League of Extraordinary Gentleman) that is now being adapted by Zack Snyder (300, Dawn of the Dead).

The official synopsis was released today via Comingsoon.net:

"Watchmen" is set in an alternate 1985 America in which costumed superheroes are part of the fabric of everyday society, and the "Doomsday Clock" – which charts the USA's tension with the Soviet Union – is permanently set at five minutes to midnight. When one of his former colleagues is murdered, the washed up but no less determined masked vigilante Rorschach sets out to uncover a plot to kill and discredit all past and present superheroes. As he reconnects with his former crime-fighting legion – a ragtag group of retired superheroes, only one of whom has true powers – Rorschach glimpses a wide-ranging and disturbing conspiracy with links to their shared past and catastrophic consequences for the future. Their mission is to watch over humanity... but who is watching the Watchmen?"

Several earlier updates regarding the film's progress and casting rumors can be found here: http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108225

Here's the confirmed casting list so far:

Dr. Manhattan/ Jon Osterman..... Billy Crudup
Rorschach/ Walter J. Kovacs.... Jackie Earle Haley
The Comedian/ Edward Blake.... Jeffrey Dean Morgan
Nite-Owl II/ Dan Dreiberg.............. Patrick Wilson
Ozymadias/ Adrian Veidt.......... Matthew Goode
Silk Spectre II/ Laurie Juspeczyk ........ Malin Akerman
Nite Owl I/ Hollis J. Mason.................. Stephen McHattie
Silk Spectre I/ Sally Jupiter................. Carla Gugino

[Jig Saw 123]

My 3rd most anticapted movie of next year...


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[dennisv]

Read the book many times. I trust Snyder. This will be one kickass film.

[Danger^Cart]

Thank you for being the first fucking person to get the title right. You just saved my sanity.

Ron Pearlman for Comedian.

[vesaker]

This is the best comic book ever writen, i meen i love Spider Man and have many many issues of the various titles but i was increadably happy the day i bought Absolute: Watchmen. Nice big glossy paper and the colours look so good.

I can't wait for this movie and now with the succes of 300 i bet they will let Snyder do what ever he wants with it within reason of course. But to tell you the truth...... theres too much story for one movie.

I think it would do better as two parter with the first one ending when "Raw Shark" gets aprehended ;)

And even with that to have casting for Rorshach would take away from the story. Not knowing who he is at first adds alot to the story imo and is just one ofthe many things that makes you flip back to look things over again jsut to be sure you know whats going on lol.

I think they should do a Kevin Spacey in Se7en where you had no idea who the killer was atleast walking into the movie (ie Spacey's name was not in the opening credits). I think thats the only way you could get the right pay off for when he's unmasked.

[Tweek]

Oh my God... My fangirl heart has been skipping a beat since it heard the news.


I MUST get Absolute Watchmen. Sucks to be broke.



I also heard a rumor of Gerard Butler as Rorschach... I so can't see that.

[edonline]

i'm dying to see the SFX they use for Dr. Manhattan.


[SPOILER FOR ANYONE WHO HASN'T READ THE BOOK.]


I wonder how they'll show some of Dr. Manhattan's scenes, since some of them involve him back and forth in time. ("Here I am five minutes ago...") I'm assuming they'll do away with any narrative and just keep it linear.

[Tweek]

Maybe they'll keep any v.o/narrative short?

Or maybe they figure with the journal, the black freighter (if they even have it), and the doctor's journals... i dunno, it'd be too much?

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Tweek
Maybe they'll keep any v.o/narrative short?

Or maybe they figure with the journal, the black freighter (if they even have it), and the doctor's journals... i dunno, it'd be too much?

I can't speak for the doctor's notes on Ror, but I'm pretty sure Snyder has confirmed no Black Freighter, which makes me happy. It would be completely unnecessary. The only purpose it serves in the book is for Moore to exercize a different form of prose and a vague allegory. It would just confuse the audience, and muddle shit up.

Along those same lines, pretty much any narrative besides Rorschach's would be unnecessary, short of Doc Manhattan's, which should be kept brief if involved.

Rorschach's journal definetely needs to make it in, though. The entire films atmosphere depends on it.

[floydtheater07]

I'm a die-hard "Indiana Jones" fan. I'm crazy about Batman. That JJ Abrams trailer before "Transformers" blew me away. And this, still, is my most anticipated movie in a long time. I absolutely adore "Watchmen", and although I sometimes wonder if Zack can handle the complex themes of the graphic novel, I have faith in him and can see that he is very enthusiastic about making this and being as faithful to the source material as the studio will allow.


Although...

**SPOILERS BELOW**

There is a rumor that the most recent leaked draft of the script involved Adrian being killed by Nite Owl at the end. I cannot tolerate such a blatant disregard for the original text. I hope that the final shooting script changes this.

[outsyder]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
I can't speak for the doctor's notes on Ror, but I'm pretty sure Snyder has confirmed no Black Freighter, which makes me happy. It would be completely unnecessary. The only purpose it serves in the book is for Moore to exercize a different form of prose and a vague allegory. It would just confuse the audience, and muddle shit up.



I heard that although it wouldn't be in the theatrical release he was planning to include the Black Freighter stuff on the DVD, which would please the fanboy in me immensely.

[Dead Halloween]

I just hope they keep Rorscharch's past, one of the most intense parts of the novel.


SPOILER


Specially the scene with the dogs and when he kills the pedophile.



SPOILER




By the way, check this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w14DoxRIXW4) out.

[vesaker]

They had better include Osterman's story since it's a big part of his character, the way he precives time. Chapter 4 is my favourite chapter, it jsut blows my mind what Moore came up with for how god-like Dr Manhattan is.

And thank god for Keanu Reeves not wanting to do this flick.

"I know Kung-fu"

"For the last time no yo don't"

[OpT!Mu5]

Although reading CHUD'S interviews with Greengrass I thought he would have made a great Watchmen, but I'm sure Snyder will as well.

Look at the avatar, I've been waiting for this movie for years...

Here's hoping:D

[Tweek]

I'm re-reading this damned thing. natch.
and has anyone read the watchmen roundtable in wizard?

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Dead Halloween
By the way, check this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w14DoxRIXW4) out.

That voice over was horrible, but the rest was pretty damn cool. I'd like WATCHMEN to have its own identity, though. If they go with some Sin City-esque shit, I'm gonna be pissed.


heard that although it wouldn't be in the theatrical release he was planning to include the Black Freighter stuff on the DVD, which would please the fanboy in me immensely.

I'm not sure the studio would sign off on forking over cash strictly for DVD fodder, but I agree, that would please me immensely.

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart

I'm not sure the studio would sign off on forking over cash strictly for DVD fodder, but I agree, that would please me immensely.


Well apparently The Black Freighter scenes will be filmed and be part of the actual theatrical release if possible. They will simply be on the DVD if the studio tells Snyder to edit them out for time.

[vesaker]

Originally posted by floydtheater07
Well apparently The Black Freighter scenes will be filmed and be part of the actual theatrical release if possible. They will simply be on the DVD if the studio tells Snyder to edit them out for time.

The black freighter stuff would make it way to long for a single movie so i doubt it will make theatrical if filmed, it would be cool but its just a device to help set mood as far as i'm concerned (i don't even read it any more when i read the trade) and that can be done with things like music in a movie.

If it came down to cutting out either Black Frieghter or the Doc's notes i would vote for Frieghter to be cut.

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by vesaker
The black freighter stuff would make it way to long for a single movie so i doubt it will make theatrical if filmed, it would be cool but its just a device to help set mood as far as i'm concerned (i don't even read it any more when i read the trade) and that can be done with things like music in a movie.

If it came down to cutting out either Black Frieghter or the Doc's notes i would vote for Frieghter to be cut.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind not having The Black Freighter stuff in there. It might not even work as well on film as it does in a comic.

[OpT!Mu5]

First off, with or without the Black Freighter, The Watchmen movie is going to be one long-ass movie.

It better be, because the graphic novel has SO much material in it and every character has a background story that is vital to the whole piece.

In my opinion, to stay true to the novel, this movie will have to be around 3 hours long. It just has too. Granted, there are things that HAVE to be cut out, but if Snyder doesn't include a lot of the great scenes, this movie will disappoint a lot of fans.

The Black Freighter would be awesome, but I would be shocked to see it in the final cut. If anything, it would be a great DVD extra.

[chinton]

Reading Watchman next. Don't really read graphic novels but I guess I need to read this and Long Halloween.

[OpT!Mu5]

Originally posted by chinton
Reading Watchman next. Don't really read graphic novels but I guess I need to read this and Long Halloween.

I would HIGHLY recommend reading Watchmen before seeing the movie, but be warned, Watchmen might not be what you expect it to be. It really isn't like any other graphic novel, and that's part of what makes it so special. Watchmen took me a few reads over the years to fully appreciate it.

And The Long Halloween will most likely give you a better appreciation for TDK when it comes out...wise choices.

BTW, if you like The Long Halloween, which I'm sure you will, you should read the follow-up to it, Dark Victory. It is by the same writer and artist, and is the origin story of Robin. Also, another highly-regarded Batman graphic novel. Just some advice... ;)

[outsyder]

Originally posted by chinton
Reading Watchman next. Don't really read graphic novels but I guess I need to read this and Long Halloween.


Watchmen is an important book to read. Graphic novel, comic book, whatever. It transcends the format altogether.

[Danger^Cart]

If I hear the phrase 'graphic novel' again I'm gonna puke. Ugh, how I hate it.

In my opinion, to stay true to the novel, this movie will have to be around 3 hours long

Snyder agrees. He said so himself, this film will be 3 hours long, or at least close to it. There was a time when I wouldn't have believed him, but with the success of 300, I'm pretty sure he can talk the studio into it. He could piss on the board and they'd just giggle and shower him with compliments, then go home and bath in money.

I still think this should have been a mini-series instead.

[OpT!Mu5]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Snyder agrees. He said so himself, this film will be 3 hours long, or at least close to it.

Well, I'm glad Snyder agrees with me. ;)

I just hope he doesn't green screen the whole film, I want this movie to FEEL like it's in 1985, and I can't picture a green-screened movie to be able to capture that look and feel. Who knows...

[Preston_79]

I saw Watchman sitting on my friends coffee table and checked it out a bit.
Why are they called graphic novels? It just looked like a very thick comic book. Anyhoo, I'll be reading it before I ever see it in the theater.

Oh, and a three hour movie in one sitting is too long. Even Transformers was too long at a little over two hours. I say make it Kill Bill style, or like the 2nd and 3rd Matrix where they release them only a few months apart.

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by Preston_79
Why are they called graphic novels? It just looked like a very thick comic book.

In the loosest of terms:

Ther phrase "comic book" is typically associated with the common conception that it carries; colorful characters, outlandish stories, goofy dialogue, etc. "Graphic novel" refers to a story, presented in pictorial form, that deals with considerably more mature, grittier subject matter than the average "comic book". And then there are publications that straddle the line between the two categories. For example, a number of Batman titles, including Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke" and Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns", are referred to as "graphic novels".

Though you can probably find a much better definition here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_novel)

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Preston_79
Why are they called graphic novels? It just looked like a very thick comic book.

You got it right. "Graphic Novel" is a self serving apologetic term creators and fans use to give their work/comic of choice more "credibility." They think it'll make people take them more seriously, but among the comic community, it has the exact opposite effect. If you walk into a comic shop (Low and behold, there are no "graphic novel shops") and ask some dude in a Batman shirt what's on the shelf, he'll tell you comics, not "graphic novels." Doesn't matter what's up there, if it's an illustrated story, he'll call it a comic. Because that's what it fucking is.

It's a term generated by corporations for commercial means and, unfortunately, it's endorsed by a lot of the talent working today, if only because they're told to use it. Which in turn leads to fans using it, because they want to emulate their idols. It's fucking sick, and it must be stopped. Viva la resistance!

Rant....disengaging...

[Preston_79]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
You got it right. "Graphic Novel" is a self serving apologetic term creators and fans use to give their work/comic of choice more "credibility." They think it'll make people take them more seriously, but among the comic community, it has the exact opposite effect. If you walk into a comic shop (Low and behold, there are no "graphic novel shops") and ask some dude in a Batman shirt what's on the shelf, he'll tell you comics, not "graphic novels." Doesn't matter what's up there, if it's an illustrated story, he'll call it a comic. Because that's what it fucking is.

It's a term generated by corporations for commercial means and, unfortunately, it's endorsed by a lot of the talent working today, if only because they're told to use it. Which in turn leads to fans using it, because they want to emulate their idols. It's fucking sick, and it must be stopped. Viva la resistance!

Rant....disengaging...


I agree. If I ask my Dad to go see a movie based on a comic he'll probably pass, but if I call it a graphic novel then he's more likely to give it a chance.

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
Well, I'm glad Snyder agrees with me. ;)

I just hope he doesn't green screen the whole film, I want this movie to FEEL like it's in 1985, and I can't picture a green-screened movie to be able to capture that look and feel. Who knows...


Some Canadian news website had a story on a studio in Vancouver (where the film is being shot) and mentioned that a large set of New York City is being constructed for "Watchmen".

[vesaker]

Originally posted by Preston_79
Why are they called graphic novels? It just looked like a very thick comic book.

As far as i know this is hte thing wiht "graphic novel", and this is not to say other explanations of it are wrong.

But the standard that i've always known was if its relsease in acctual issues and is then collected its called a "Trade Paperback"

If it is realesed originally as a book then its called a "Graphic Novel"

So for an example Watchmen, Long Halloween and Sincity are Trade Paperbacks while something like 300 is a Graphic Novel

i could be wrong but this has been my understanding of it for years.

[OpT!Mu5]

Originally posted by Preston_79
Oh, and a three hour movie in one sitting is too long. Even Transformers was too long at a little over two hours. I say make it Kill Bill style, or like the 2nd and 3rd Matrix where they release them only a few months apart.

:rolleyes:

See, this is why you don't understand.

Trust me, once you actually read the comic, front to back, you will understand why it HAS to be a long movie. I have trouble seeing how it can even fit into 3 hours. Almost all of the material in the comic is necessary and must be portrayed accurately.

Watchmen isn't just another comic. This isn't like, "lets adapt this comic into yet another comic book movie because it's the craze right now"...It is regarded as the "Citizen Cane" of comic books, the comic that all other comics are compared to.

This project is huge because you cannot, absolutely CANNOT fuck this movie up by trimming scenes or changing the storyline a bit. Anyways, Snyder knows this, so I am not worried.

[chinton]

Whoops comic then. I didn't know the word graphic novel was a minefield.

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by Preston_79
Oh, and a three hour movie in one sitting is too long. Even Transformers was too long at a little over two hours. I say make it Kill Bill style, or like the 2nd and 3rd Matrix where they release them only a few months apart.


Three hours is not too long. Ever heard of a little picture called "The Godfather Part II"?

[Preston_79]

Originally posted by floydtheater07
Three hours is not too long. Ever heard of a little picture called "The Godfather Part II"?


Why stop there. What about "Lawrence of Arabia", "Seven Samurai", "Amadeus", "Thin Red line"....what ever! I didn't say it no one else likes long movies, or that they're no good.
I'd rather have the story broke up into smaller pieces for a film I'm going to see in the theater. If I'm watching it at home I could give a shit. I'll just pause it when I've had enough sitting for one day. If they give you an intermission then maybe I wouldn't care.

[Smiert Spionam]

Originally posted by Preston_79
Why stop there. What about "Lawrence of Arabia", "Seven Samurai", "Amadeus", "Thin Red line"....what ever! I didn't say it no one else likes long movies, or that they're no good.
I'd rather have the story broke up into smaller pieces for a film I'm going to see in the theater. If I'm watching it at home I could give a shit. I'll just pause it when I've had enough sitting for one day. If they give you an intermission then maybe I wouldn't care.

So basically, you're saying you'd prefer to spend twice or even three times as much money to see one story which you could just see the first time...

Logic?

[Preston_79]

Originally posted by Smiert Spionam
So basically, you're saying you'd prefer to spend twice or even three times as much money to see one story which you could just see the first time...

Logic?

Time is money.
I'd rather pay $24.00 and watch three short films over a year or so, than pay $8.00 and sit there for three or more hours at once. Is that so wrong? $16.00 dollars is chump change anyway. Don't give me that logic B.S...

[Smiert Spionam]

Originally posted by Preston_79
Time is money.
I'd rather pay $24.00 and watch three short films over a year or so, than pay $8.00 and sit there for three or more hours at once. Is that so wrong? $16.00 dollars is chump change anyway. Don't give me that logic B.S...

Chump change to you, maybe. Speaking for all my people who are broke and supporting themselves through college, everyone doesn't always have the money, let alone the time, to see three films they could have seen the first fucking time.

Either way, the point is that they shouldn't take more time and effort to break up one story into multiple films just because it's convenient for people who have A.D.D. and can afford multiple trips to the theatre....

[Preston_79]

Originally posted by Smiert Spionam
Chump change to you, maybe. Speaking for all my people who are broke and supporting themselves through college, everyone doesn't always have the money, let alone the time, to see three films they could have seen the first fucking time.

Either way, the point is that they shouldn't take more time and effort to break up one story into multiple films just because it's convenient for people who have A.D.D. and can afford multiple trips to the theatre....

And that's cool you and probably many others don't mind sitting there for that long. I to am in college and I know what it's like to be broke. I listen to my friends complain about rent, tuition, insurance, and then they go buy a ounce of weed. Even if you're broke $16.00 still isn't that much. It's like two meals, a half rack of beer, or whatever. And if you can find three hours in one day to watch a movie than you can find an hour and a half two times a year.

[vesaker]

Not to be a prick but why don't we get back on topic?

Who does everyone think they should get to play Laurie? My vote would be for Scarlett Johansen but then again i'd watch her in anything. What do you ppl think?

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by vesaker
Not to be a prick but why don't we get back on topic?

Who does everyone think they should get to play Laurie? My vote would be for Scarlett Johansen but then again i'd watch her in anything. What do you ppl think?


Although she doesn't particularly resemble the character, I'd like to see Winona Ryder in the role. Claire Danes or Kate Winslet could also work.

[Tweek]

I don't think Johansson (SP? Sorry!) would be a good fit for this flick.

[Smiert Spionam]

I just remembered recently about going with a friend of mine's family on a road trip to Ft. Lauderdale when I was 14. I was in this little shop by the beach when I saw the old guy behind the register eyeing an a ridiculously underage girl. Thus, I felt my conscious was cleared up enough to steal a Zippo lighter from the front when he wasn't looking. Ofcourse, I was 14 and had no idea how Zippo lighters worked, so when I left the store, I couldn't light it. I ended up getting so aggravated with it that I tossed the lighter into the ocean....

I only took the lighter in the first place because I thought it looked interesting. It was yellow with a smiley face....and a small splat of blood over the left eye. If I had only known what I had....

:(

[Danger^Cart]

You 'tard.

That being said, I once burned the head of an original (as in, first fucking mold) Cobra Commander, for no other reason than I like to burn shit.

[Smiert Spionam]

Damn, DC....atleast my Zippo lighter wasn't really worth shit aside from just looking cool haha

Sally Jupiter aka Silk Spectre cast?
Source: Latino Review
July 21, 2007

Latino Review's chronic scooper 'El Mayimbe' reports that actress Malin Akerman of Harold and Kumar Go To White Castle and many upcoming movies including The Invasion and The Heartbreak Kid has landed the plum role of Sally Jupiter aka The Silk Spectre in Zack (300) Snyder's take on Alan Moore and Dave Gibbon's Watchmen. She plays the former crimefighter who lives with the powerful entity Dr. Manhattan (to be played by Billy Crudup).

http://www.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/03/03/previews/Malin%20Akerman-SGG-048558.jpg

....what? You mean Freakshow's slutty wife? This chick better have given an un-fucking-believable audition if this is true....

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by Smiert Spionam
Damn, DC....atleast my Zippo lighter wasn't really worth shit aside from just looking cool haha

Sally Jupiter aka Silk Spectre cast?
Source: Latino Review
July 21, 2007

Latino Review's chronic scooper 'El Mayimbe' reports that actress Malin Akerman of Harold and Kumar Go To White Castle and many upcoming movies including The Invasion and The Heartbreak Kid has landed the plum role of Sally Jupiter aka The Silk Spectre in Zack (300) Snyder's take on Alan Moore and Dave Gibbon's Watchmen. She plays the former crimefighter who lives with the powerful entity Dr. Manhattan (to be played by Billy Crudup).

http://www.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/03/03/previews/Malin%20Akerman-SGG-048558.jpg

....what? You mean Freakshow's slutty wife? This chick better have given an un-fucking-believable audition if this is true....



Eh, I'm not too upset. Sally Jupiter is a subsidiary character, we don't see too much of her, and she'll be covered in make-up to make her appear to be elderly half the time (hopefully).


Laurie, on the other hand, better be protrayed by a very competent actress.

[Danger^Cart]

I won't comment either way, because I haven't seen anything to convince me she can or can't play the part.

I bet she looks 12.4x hotter as a brunette, though.

[Smiert Spionam]

Originally posted by floydtheater07
Eh, I'm not too upset. Sally Jupiter is a subsidiary character, we don't see too much of her, and she'll be covered in make-up to make her appear to be elderly half the time (hopefully).

Laurie, on the other hand, better be protrayed by a very competent actress.

Yeah, I mis-read the description and thought she was playing Laurie because I don't remember Sally living with Doc Manhattan at all in the book. Hmmm......

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by Smiert Spionam
Yeah, I mis-read the description and thought she was playing Laurie because I don't remember Sally living with Doc Manhattan at all in the book. Hmmm......


Actually, you are correct, I missed that. Sally never lived with Dr. Manhattan. It's actually kind of amusing, a lot of the little write-ups that have been done about this movie have been done by people who clearly have no idea what they are talking about. I hope she is Sally, not Laurie.

[outsyder]

Yeah, her being Sally doesn't bother me. It's not a part that's integral to the film outside of maybe that one scene.

[APzombie]

Jackie Earle Haley as Rorschach.... perfect casting.

[Danger^Cart]

It's pretty easy to get mixed up, especially if you haven't read the book in awhile. So, just for clarification...

Sally Juspeczyk - Silk Spectre I (assaulted by the Comedian) - Appeares as an old woman in majority of the narrative, mother to Laurie Juspeczyk.

Laurie Juspeczyk - Silk Spectre II - Integral to the story, daughter to Sally Juspeczyk, romantically involved with both Doc Manhattan and Night Owl.

Hope that clears up any confusion.

I'm sure there's a Wiki page for further information.

[Smiert Spionam]

Who is Oxymandias in Watchmen?
Source: IESB.net
July 22, 2007

While Zack Snyder (300) is expected to reveal his Watchmen cast at the San Diego Comic-Con this week, a handful of actors have already been leaked.

You can now add to the line-up Matthew Goode (The Lookout, Match Point) as Adrian Veidt/Oxymandias, as revealed by IESB.net. This is in addition to Jackie Earle Haley as Rorschach, Billy Crudup as Dr. Manhattan, Patrick Wilson as Nite Owl, and Malin Ackerman as Silk Spectre.

Watchmen is set in an alternate 1985 America in which costumed superheroes are part of the fabric of everyday society, and the "Doomsday Clock" – which charts the USA's tension with the Soviet Union – is permanently set at five minutes to midnight.

When one of his former colleagues is murdered, the washed up but no less determined masked vigilante Rorschach sets out to uncover a plot to kill and discredit all past and present superheroes. As he reconnects with his former crime-fighting legion – a ragtag group of retired superheroes, only one of whom has true powers – Rorschach glimpses a wide-ranging and disturbing conspiracy with links to their shared past and catastrophic consequences for the future. Their mission is to watch over humanity... but who is watching the watchmen?

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper290/stills/95yg576n.jpg

I'm slightly upset that Jude Law isn't gonna be playing Veidt as previously rumored. Not because I'm a big fan of Law or anything, but the man has a tattoo of Rorschach.....that's fuckin' hardcore.

[Danger^Cart]

That's bullshit. Jude Law was made for that role.

I'm super pissed if this is true.

I mean, I know Adrien is supposed to look youthful for his age, that in itself is supposed to convey his personality, but this guy looks about twelve. Come to think of it...he doesn't really look like Ozzy at all.

Everything about Jude Law just screams Adrien Veidt. If this is true, this is the first casting rumor I'm in complete disagreement with. It's down right disconcerting, it is.

[Rick-James]

The casting was going so great.

But now Malin Ackerman and this dude. I don't like. What the fuck happened to Jude Law? That was perfect. Shit!

[vesaker]

I'm really thinking that they keep meaning to say Laurie when they are saying Sally in these castings. But it is still possible for her to play Sally since theres the flashback to the incedent with Blake but she's older for the rest of her appearence in the story so they will definately have to makeup her up alot heh.

And i dunno, Johansens seems like she can be a good actress if given a seriours roll. I really liked her in The Prestige and i think she could pull off Laurie. Oh and she's extremely Hot to lets not forget that lol ;)

[outsyder]

Jude Law would have been great and I'm having a hard time understanding how he wouldn't have been chosen, given his enthusiasm for the project.

I'm sure Matthew Goode will do a good job, but I would have more confidence in Law.

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by outsyder
Jude Law would have been great and I'm having a hard time understanding how he wouldn't have been chosen, given his enthusiasm for the project.

I'm sure Matthew Goode will do a good job, but I would have more confidence in Law.


There was some talk a few weeks ago that Law was already comitted to another project around the time that this flick would have been made.


Either that, or he is unhappy with the script's ending, which is not entirely faithful to the comic, although I would imagine that the studio would compromise if it meant being able to keep what would appear to be the only star in this movie. I like the cast, but there are no big names in it now.

[Tweek]

Jude Law would've been kickass!

Ah well...

[vesaker]

Well heres the synopsis of the film

http://www.joblo.com/watchmen-synopsis

Watchmen is set in an alternate 1985 America in which costumed superheroes are part of the fabric of everyday society, and the "Doomsday Clock" – which charts the USA's tension with the Soviet Union – is permanently set at five minutes to midnight. When one of his former colleagues is murdered, the washed up but no less determined masked vigilante Rorschach sets out to uncover a plot to kill and discredit all past and present superheroes. As he reconnects with his former crime-fighting legion – a ragtag group of retired superheroes, only one of whom has true powers – Rorschach glimpses a wide-ranging and disturbing conspiracy with links to their shared past and catastrophic consequences for the future. Their mission is to watch over humanity... but who is watching the Watchmen?


Sounds prety much just like the trade, lets hope it stays that way ;)

[Smiert Spionam]

I posted the exact same synoposis in the OP. It was released by Comingsoon.net a week ago. Dunno why Joblo decided to post it now....

[vesaker]

hmmm how about that you did :p sry about that. Oh and if your wondering why it took so long for it to get posted on the buliten jsut read that one and you'll find out lol.


But anyways there are still Characters that have yet to be cast, Who does everyone think should play Hollis??

[OpT!Mu5]

Either that, or he is unhappy with the script's ending, which is not entirely faithful to the comic, although I would imagine that the studio would compromise if it meant being able to keep what would appear to be the only star in this movie.

Are they still using Hayter's draft?

I read somewhere that the ending was changed, but what exactly about the ending is different?

Honestly, you would think that with Alan Moore's attitude toward his work being adapted into film, studio's would be careful to not altar his material too much...and now we have A-list movie stars turning down roles because the script changes the ending, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE WHOLE FUCKING STORY...

Although I'm not TOO worried, if that is true about Jude Law not wanting to be a part of this then it's definitely not a good sign.:(

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
Are they still using Hayter's draft?

I read somewhere that the ending was changed, but what exactly about the ending is different?

Honestly, you would think that with Alan Moore's attitude toward his work being adapted into film, studio's would be careful to not altar his material too much...and now we have A-list movie stars turning down roles because the script changes the ending, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE WHOLE FUCKING STORY...

Although I'm not TOO worried, if that is true about Jude Law not wanting to be a part of this then it's definitely not a good sign.:(

At this point, I believe they are not using Hayter's original draft, but rather a combination of his draft and several more than came after it. Which kinda makes me sad after Moriarty at AICN gave it such a glowing review (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/13607). I just reread that article, and Mori made these comments regarding this ending:

The one big question that has to be on the minds of anyone who's read the original is 'Do they really do it? Do they still do what they did in the book? Do they still do that to New York?'

Yes and no.

The version in the book is wet and horrible and nearly impossible to imagine as a live-action image. The implicit horror would be too much to take, I think. What's been done instead accomplishes the exact same goal, but it's less bloody, less directly shocking. It'll still hurt, and it's going to shake those who don't know it's coming, but it won't make people sick to their stomachs, and a direct translation risked causing that exact reaction.

[Hayter] didn't tone down the idea... just the stink and the stacks of bodies. He doesn't rub our nose in something that would be unbearable. Instead, he's found an elegant way to handle it.

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
Are they still using Hayter's draft?

I read somewhere that the ending was changed, but what exactly about the ending is different?

Honestly, you would think that with Alan Moore's attitude toward his work being adapted into film, studio's would be careful to not altar his material too much...and now we have A-list movie stars turning down roles because the script changes the ending, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE WHOLE FUCKING STORY...

Although I'm not TOO worried, if that is true about Jude Law not wanting to be a part of this then it's definitely not a good sign.:(



Nah, Hayter's draft took place in the present day. Alex Tse basically was brought in to make some changes, and although the final shooting script is not available, the latest leaked draft made these two changes to the end...



***SPOILERS TO COMIC AND FILM AHEAD***


Instead of a Cthulhu-esque space squid, Veidt somehow projects a false image of Dr. Manhattan condemning humans and proceeding to blast New York with some sort of heat ray. It does essentially the same amount of damage as the alien, but is not as gruesome. In one draft, I believe he actually blasted several locations around the world.



But, here is the major change to the ending which really angered me...


...they have Dan suddenly become tough and kill Adrian by crushing him with Archie (the owl ship). It seems like the studio couldn't understand why the "bad guy" (although whether or not Veidt is really a villain is debatable) survives and gets away with killing all those people, especially after 9/11, seeing as audiences probably won't take kindly to that concept. This was in the script before Snyder was even on board and his hands are probably tied. Maybe if test audiences react badly to that horrible ending, things will go differently.


Then again, we don't know if that was changed for the final shooting script.

[Danger^Cart]

The entire film pretty much loses all meaning if Veidt doesn't "get away with it."

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
The entire film pretty much loses all meaning if Veidt doesn't "get away with it."

Even the comic suggests that he doesn't entirely "get away with it"...

*COMIC SPOILER, POSSIBLY FILM SPOILER AS WELL*







The very last panel shows Seymour (the assistant at The New Frontiersman) finding Rorschach's journal in the "crank file", implying that they'll realize what it is, start printing entries from it, and eventually the truth (as Rorschach reported it, anyway) will be revealed.

[outsyder]

I've already read the comic countless times, but come on people, there are some fairly significant spoilers being thrown around in this thread without so much as a warning (not all of you, but some). The last thing I want is to ruin the experience for anyone going into Watchmen fresh.

Let's try to keep a better leash on them. Thanks.

[OpT!Mu5]

I suppose if they retain the same 'concept' ending that the comic portrays, than that MIGHT work out...I just really hope they don't make it into the "hollywood" ending that would be uplifting...

In a perfect world, it would be great to get the kind of collaboration that Rodriquez had with Frank Miller for Sin City. Just think, Alan Moore co-directing with Snyder, that would be billy-bad-ass. The lesson there was a FAITHFUL ADAPTATION of the writer's original work, something I am unsure of with this film.

Oh, and that idea of Oz getting crushed by Archie made me want to fucking vomit. If that happens I am gonna stand up and walk out of the theatre. Then I'm gonna call up Alan Moore and tell him that he should take a dump on Snyder's chest. Hopefully I won't have to do that.

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Weapon X
Even the comic suggests that he doesn't entirely "get away with it"...

*COMIC SPOILER, POSSIBLY FILM SPOILER AS WELL*

The very last panel shows Seymour (the assistant at The New Frontiersman) finding Rorschach's journal in the "crank file", implying that they'll realize what it is, start printing entries from it, and eventually the truth (as Rorschach reported it, anyway) will be revealed.

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. Still, the New Frontiersman was a ultra-conservative tabloid, and Adrien Veidt is a well beloved, well respected businessman. It's still an ambiguous ending.

[OpT!Mu5]

I don't know about Crudup as Manhattan, he's a good actor and all, but I just can't see him in the role. I picture his friendly 'Mastercard' voice, and I always pictured Jon's voice to be deep and un-caring. Not only the voice, but to me if you shaved his head and painted him blue he still would look nothing like Doc...I guess it's still better than Keanu.;)

[vesaker]

Originally posted by Weapon X
Even the comic suggests that he doesn't entirely "get away with it"...

*COMIC SPOILER, POSSIBLY FILM SPOILER AS WELL*







The very last panel shows Seymour (the assistant at The New Frontiersman) finding Rorschach's journal in the "crank file", implying that they'll realize what it is, start printing entries from it, and eventually the truth (as Rorschach reported it, anyway) will be revealed.


**Spoilers**




I think you may be missing something in this scene. What happens is that the assistant finds the journal and is about to use it until he reads a passage to his boss and the boss tells him to just toss it in the pile and use something else instead and that they would just burn the Crank file in a few months and start it over.

I believe that this is suppose to excenuate the ending that much more in that your left with the knowledge that Veidt could be found out, but its left in doubt and you never know the result which is like adding salt to the wound so to speak. Not to mention his journal has nothing about what Veidt does in the end, only that he is behind the recent occurances that Rorshach's tied into his Mask killer theory.

And if they really did cahnge the ending to anything it would hurt the stroy imo. The whole point of the ending is that its so big and so tragic and so overwelming that it acctaully works. I don't see why things like 9/11 (and i'm not trying to be insensitive here) should have any baring on what is done with this one film.

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by vesaker
**Spoilers**




I think you may be missing something in this scene. What happens is that the assistant finds the journal and is about to use it until he reads a passage to his boss and the boss tells him to just toss it in the pile and use something else instead and that they would just burn the Crank file in a few months and start it over.

*YOU GUESSED IT, MORE SPOILERS*

What you're describing takes place earlier, before Rorschach and Night Owl head to the South Pole to find Veidt. I'm talking about the very, very last panel, after it appears that the con is working; Dan and Laurie have changed identities, Dr. Manhatten has left the galaxy, Veidt is doing whatever Veidt does, and Rorschach, the only one privy to the truth that had any intention of revealing it, is dead. Seymour's discovery of the journal in the crank file - not even necessarily his picking it up and reading it - that moment of doubt, that inkling of implication of possibility, is exactly what I'm talking about.

If they were to include this final scene and change it at all, I imagine they'd try to spoonfeed the issue; Seymour picks up the journal, reads some more of it, realizes with shock who sent it, then turns and nervously says, "Hey, boss...?" Cut to black.

Although you're right, the journal doesn't say what exactly Veidt did, just that he was the mastermind behind something sinister. I'm sure the guys at The New Frontiersman could eventually put two and two together.

[vesaker]

Originally posted by Weapon X
*YOU GUESSED IT, MORE SPOILERS*

What you're describing takes place earlier, before Rorschach and Night Owl head to the South Pole to find Veidt. I'm talking about the very, very last panel, after it appears that the con is working; Dan and Laurie have changed identities, Dr. Manhatten has left the galaxy, Veidt is doing whatever Veidt does, and Rorschach, the only one privy to the truth that had any intention of revealing it, is dead. Seymour's discovery of the journal in the crank file - not even necessarily his picking it up and reading it - that moment of doubt, that inkling of implication of possibility, is exactly what I'm talking about.

If they were to include this final scene and change it at all, I imagine they'd try to spoonfeed the issue; Seymour picks up the journal, reads some more of it, realizes with shock who sent it, then turns and nervously says, "Hey, boss...?" Cut to black.

Although you're right, the journal doesn't say what exactly Veidt did, just that he was the mastermind behind something sinister. I'm sure the guys at The New Frontiersman could eventually put two and two together.

ha your right, silly me for confusing those 2 parts :D

[Smiert Spionam]

WATCHMEN OFFICIAL CAST

Warner Bros. Pictures has confirmed the cast for Watchmen, the big screen adaptation of the seminal DC Comics limited series.

Patrick Wilson, Jackie Earle Haley, Matthew Goode, Billy Crudup, Jeffrey Dean Morgan ("Grey's Anatomy") and Malin Akerman will star in the Warner Bros. movie, which Zack Snyder is directing. Larry Gordon, Lloyd Levin and Deborah Snyder are producing.

Haley will play Walter Kovacs, aka Rorschach, who ignores the ban on costumed vigilantes.

Crudup will play Dr. Manhattan, a superpowered being with godlike powers and temperament.

Akerman will play Laurie Juspeczyk/the Silk Spectre, who is involved with Dr. Manhattan -- but that relationship begins to fall apart as he becomes more disconnected from humanity.

Goode will play Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias, a costumed adventurer who retired voluntarily, disclosed his identity and built a large fortune. He hatches a plot to avert a global catastrophe he believes will be caused by Dr. Manhattan.

Wilson will play the Nite-Owl, a crime-figher who uses technical wizardry and has an owl-shaped flying vehicle.

Morgan will play the Comedian, a cigar-chomping, gun-toting vigilante-turned-paramilitary agent.

Source: http://www.superherohype.com/news/watchmennews.php?id=6056


Rather disappointed that neither Pearlman nor Jane will be playing The Comedian, and as a stated earlier, Akerman better have given one fuckuvan audition, I say....

Here's to hoping for the best. :confused:

[Danger^Cart]

I can buy Morgan I guess, but he better get ripped as fuck. From what I remember of him on Supernatural, he's more porky than jacked. Jane or Pearlman would have been far superior choices, though.

Still pissed about Goode. Fuck him in the eye.

Akerman must have some serious acting chops we're yet to see. That's the only explanation.

Crudup is gonna be awesome, but he needs to pack some serious muscle onto his frame.

Haley is fucking inspired casting. Whatever the outcome of this film, I have no doubt Rorschach's screen debut is going to be fucking phenomenal. This was by far the most important piece of casting, and they got it right. I'm going bonkers for this shit.

Patrick Wilson is about as solid an actor you can find. No complaints here.

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by Smiert Spionam
WATCHMEN OFFICIAL CAST





Goode will play Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias, a costumed adventurer who retired voluntarily, disclosed his identity and built a large fortune. He hatches a plot to avert a global catastrophe he believes will be caused by Dr. Manhattan.



Source: http://www.superherohype.com/news/watchmennews.php?id=6056




Here's to hoping for the best. :confused:


So, let's hope that description about Ozymandias is wrong. Read that end part. Read that end part and cry.

[Weapon X]

That sounds suspiciously like Sam Hamm's infamous unused screenplay. Methinks (and hopes) that description is based on grossly outdated info.

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by floydtheater07
So, let's hope that description about Ozymandias is wrong. Read that end part. Read that end part and cry.

Ehrm...that's how it is in the book. Manhattan is responsible for the impending nuclear holocaust because he abandons Earth.

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Ehrm...that's how it is in the book. Manhattan is responsible for the impending nuclear holocaust because he abandons Earth.


***SPOILERS***


The character description implies that Dr. Manhattan will be the DIRECT cause of the catastrophe and that Adrian will try to avert it. In the book, Adrian orchestrates the situation so that Manhattan will leave Earth.

[Danger^Cart]

The description is far too vague to come to that conclusion. You're reading what you want to, in a backwards sort of way.

I wouldn't sweat it, at least not until something more definitive comes to light.

[vesaker]

Originally posted by Smiert Spionam
Goode will play Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias, a costumed adventurer who retired voluntarily, disclosed his identity and built a large fortune. He hatches a plot to avert a global catastrophe he believes will be caused by Dr. Manhattan

I dunno, its the bolded part that worries me to think they aren't going to stick to the book, but like Danger^Cart said we might as well wait to see something more definate

Originally posted by Smiert Spionam
Akerman will play Laurie Juspeczyk/the Silk Spectre, who is involved with Dr. Manhattan -- but that relationship begins to fall apart as he becomes more disconnected from humanity.

Ha i knew the earlier reports of here playing Sally must have been a mix up, hopefully she does a good job with Laurie as she's probably the most emotional character of the bunch.

[Smiert Spionam]

Relax.....Why the fuck would they spoil the movie before they even began shooting it? You think they would just outright tell you Veidt's real intentions in the character description? It's clearly a red herring....

[vesaker]

Originally posted by Smiert Spionam
Relax.....Why the fuck would they spoil the movie before they even began shooting it? You think they would just outright tell you Veidt's real intentions in the character description? It's clearly a red herring....

not if there are enough ppl whinning about it relating too much to 9/11, which would be a real sad state, but i think the descpition of it being hte same but less grusome will proably end up being the way they i would think (unfortuatly).

[OpT!Mu5]

Some of this casting is amazing, and some of it scares the shit out of me.

[MickeyKnox]

Jackie Earle Haley is dream casting for Rorschach, Patrick Wilson is another perfect casting choice for Nite Owl, and Billy Crudup as Dr. Manhattan is a solid choice as well too, but being a fan of Watchmen I'm a little hesitant about the other rest of the casting but hopefully Zach Snyder knows what he's doing but who knows, all i know it's going to be hard to do a faithful adaptation when the graphic novel is so in depth full of plot and side stories that it's going to be insane to condense it into a 2 hour even a 3 hour movie , but from aside of that i love the formentioned casting choices not really all to keen about the other ones but will have to see.

[OpT!Mu5]

MickeyKnox, I just wanted to give you props on your amazing Trent Avatar...I was just using one similar to it, but changed it to Rorschach for Watchmen anticipation. Kudos... ;)

[MickeyKnox]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
MickeyKnox, I just wanted to give you props on your amazing Trent Avatar...I was just using one similar to it, but changed it to Rorschach for Watchmen anticipation. Kudos... ;)

Thanks man!

[floydtheater07]

Apparently at Comic-Con, Snyder unveiled a poster drawn by Dave Gibbons with the release date 3/06/09 on it. Damn that's a while to wait. I wonder if that's an official release date or just something random he put in there, as the poster is not official.

[movieme07]

If the ending is changed really at all, especially to the Archie ending that's been batted about in here that would completely ruin the movie for me.

I'm totally prepared to hate this movie as excited as I am for it, because changes to the graphic novel would be devastating, and I'm sure there will be many.

[floydtheater07]

The official site is up. (http://watchmenmovie.warnerbros.com/)


It is gonna be released 3/06/09. Damn.

[outsyder]

Originally posted by floydtheater07
The official site is up. (http://watchmenmovie.warnerbros.com/)



Hell yes.

[Danger^Cart]

Does anyone else shiver when they read Jackie Earle Haley as Walter Kovacs, aka Rorschach? It's just so f'ing perfect.

[MickeyKnox]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Does anyone else shiver when they read Jackie Earle Haley as Walter Kovacs, aka Rorschach? It's just so f'ing perfect.

He was practically born to play Rorschach he looks like him has the same demeanor and everything Zach Snyder knew exactly what he wanted.

[blankpage]

Here's what popped up at Comic Con today:

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/watchmen-poster2.jpg

[MickeyKnox]

Originally posted by blankpage
Here's what popped up at Comic Con today:

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/watchmen-poster2.jpg

The poster looks awesome it stays very true to the medium.

[movieme07]

Ok nvm, I'm easy to give in to hype, I'm in for this movie whole heartedly again.

[MickeyKnox]

There's also word around the San Diego Comic Con, that if Zach Snyder is allowed by Warner Bros. to do Tales From the Black Freighter, for the DVD that he is casting Gerard Butler as the castaway which again perfect casting, if Warner Bros. gives him the money to do it, if he does he said he will film that segment just like he filmed 300, so not official as of yet but keep your fingers crossed for this to happen, even if the Black Freighter isn't in the Theatrical run of Watchmen it would be cool to see it on DVD.

[floydtheater07]

Just worth mentioning, some people think the website might not be legit, as the eyes on the smiley face are a little misaligned. I think it's the real deal but I'm not 100%.

[Shockwave]

Im sure this will be at least on par with LXG!;)

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by floydtheater07
Just worth mentioning, some people think the website might not be legit, as the eyes on the smiley face are a little misaligned. I think it's the real deal but I'm not 100%.

The site is listed at the top of the official poster. It's legit.

[Smiert Spionam]

Originally posted by MickeyKnox
There's also word around the San Diego Comic Con, that if Zach Snyder is allowed by Warner Bros. to do Tales From the Black Freighter, for the DVD that he is casting Gerard Butler as the castaway which again perfect casting, if Warner Bros. gives him the money to do it, if he does he said he will film that segment just like he filmed 300, so not official as of yet but keep your fingers crossed for this to happen, even if the Black Freighter isn't in the Theatrical run of Watchmen it would be cool to see it on DVD.

Hell fuckin' yes. When Snyder said that he wanted to have a role for Butler, regardless of how large it was, why the fuck didn't I think about The Black Freighter? Silly me...

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Smiert Spionam
Hell fuckin' yes. When Snyder said that he wanted to have a role for Butler, regardless of how large it was, why the fuck didn't I think about The Black Freighter? Silly me...

Ditto. That got a big "Ooooooooohhhhhhh" out of me.

[APzombie]

everything sounds great so far except Snyder. He comes off as too much of a fanboy who doesn't look past the gloss of the material he is putting to film (Dawn, 300).

Simply put, based on what he did with 300 and Dawn, I think he is naive and a bit dumb.

[MickeyKnox]

Originally posted by APzombie
everything sounds great so far except Snyder. He comes off as too much of a fanboy who doesn't look past the gloss of the material he is putting to film (Dawn, 300).

Simply put, based on what he did with 300 and Dawn, I think he is naive and a bit dumb.

I don't know i have a little faith in Snyder, yeah he does have a fanboy persona but at least Dave Gibbons is involved some way in the movie and approved the screenplay but Snyder does sound very passionate about this that maybe this might be his best movie yet who knows.

[Smiert Spionam]

Zack Snyder Talks Watchmen!
Source: Edward Douglas July 27, 2007

Filmmaker Zack Snyder (300), who is set to direct Warner Bros. Pictures' feature film adaptation of the award-winning graphic novel Watchmen, today announced the cast of the highly anticipated epic before 6,500 fans during a presentation at this year's Comic-Con International convention in San Diego, California. Watchmen will be produced by Lawrence Gordon (Die Hard), Lloyd Levin (United 93) and Deborah Snyder (300), with Herbert W. Gains serving as executive producer. The film is targeted for a March 6, 2009, release, which was revealed on a Comic-Con poster (see below).

Playing the film's core group of "masks," the masked adventurers at the center of the story, are Malin Akerman (upcoming The Heartbreak Kid) as Laurie Juspeczyk, aka Silk Spectre; Billy Crudup (The Good Shepherd) as Jon Osterman, aka Dr. Manhattan; Matthew Goode (Match Point) as Adrian Veidt, aka Ozymandias; Jackie Earle Haley (Little Children) as Walter Kovacs, aka Rorschach; Jeffrey Dean Morgan (TV's Grey's Anatomy) as Edward Blake, aka the Comedian; and Patrick Wilson (Little Children) as Dan Dreiberg, aka Nite Owl.

A complex, multi-layered mystery adventure, Watchmen is set in an alternate 1985 America in which costumed superheroes are part of the fabric of everyday society, and the "Doomsday Clock" - which charts the USA's tension with the Soviet Union - is permanently set at five minutes to midnight. When one of his former colleagues is murdered, the washed-up but no less determined masked vigilante Rorschach sets out to uncover a plot to kill and discredit all past and present superheroes. As he reconnects with his former crime-fighting legion - a ragtag group of retired superheroes, only one of whom has true powers - Rorschach glimpses a wide-ranging and disturbing conspiracy with links to their shared past and catastrophic consequences for the future. Their mission is to watch over humanity...but who is watching the watchmen?

Watchmen was originally published by DC Comics as a 12-comic book series between 1986 and 1987, before subsequently being collected into a trade paperback. It is the only graphic novel to win the prestigious Hugo Award or to be named among Time magazine's "100 Best English Language Novels from 1923 to the Present."

Snyder told the audience that the production is currently building sets in Vancouver, including a New York City backlot. They are going to shoot it visually like the graphic novel because that's important. They will take the drawings and film them even though they'll be using sets not green/blue screen like 300.

He said they wanted to cast real actors, not get a cast for marketing reasons, much like 300. He said he cast younger actors because there's a lot of flashbacks in the graphic novel and he didn't want to hire two actors for the parts. Instead he got actors in the middle to age them up and down depending on what's happening.

Dr. Manhattan is going to be a full 3D CG performance capture of Crudup though the old John is going to be Billy Crudup as he is. They are not going to have Crudup in blue paint like Blue Man Group. They'll have to do it CG to make him glow and to have him grow.

Patrick Wilson as Nite Owl will age a little and will be slightly older than in real life.

We'll see the Comedian, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, from 19 years old to his '60s, throughout his life, in Vietnam, etc.

300 and A History of Violence star Stephen McHattie will play Hollis Mason.

Snyder added he talks to Dave Gibbons all the time. "He's read the script and he's into it."

So, we finally have our Hollis:

http://services.windowsmedia.com/vidpic/pic200/drV000/V048/V004852Q8SL.jpg

[Danger^Cart]

Where are my fellow Watchmen?! This thread needs daily responses.

No complaints on Hollis here. Guy looks the part.

Which is more than I can say for Ozzy...

PS. Rorschach casting is perfect. I can't stop saying this. Fucking....perfect.

[Backstabba]

I haven't read the comic, and I don't know the story that well because I want to be plesantly surprised about how innovative it'll be....But this is one of my most anticipated flicks of 2008.

Why?

I hear it's one of the GREATEST graphic novels ever, which is already a plus. Snyder did VERY well with 300, and.....goddamn, what a cast!

Patrick Wilson?
Jackie Earle Haley?
Billy Crudup?
Gerard Butler?(?)
Matthew Goode?

.....I'm already dying for this. I can't explain why 100% but trust me, the anticipation is there.

[Tweek]

I'm still stuck on the fact that jude law's a fanboy. fantabulous.

[Smiert Spionam]

Haha I don't know if anyone here is a Seinfeld nerd like I am, but the actor playing Hollis also played Elaine's psychiatrist before...

Anybody remember that?

[FLAME_ON]

Originally posted by Smiert Spionam
Haha I don't know if anyone here is a Seinfeld nerd like I am, but the actor playing Hollis also played Elaine's psychiatrist before...

Anybody remember that?


Haha... the creepy psychiatrist who has a weird "control" over Elaine?

[Smiert Spionam]

Originally posted by FLAME_ON
Haha... the creepy psychiatrist who has a weird "control" over Elaine?

Word, that's him. Then she had to lie to him and say she was having an affair with Kramer in order to try to break it off with him haha

But aside from that, he was a badass in A History of Violence....

[outsyder]

Originally posted by Backstabba
I haven't read the comic, and I don't know the story that well because I want to be plesantly surprised about how innovative it'll be....But this is one of my most anticipated flicks of 2008.

Why?

I hear it's one of the GREATEST graphic novels ever, which is already a plus. Snyder did VERY well with 300, and.....goddamn, what a cast!

Patrick Wilson?
Jackie Earle Haley?
Billy Crudup?
Gerard Butler?(?)
Matthew Goode?

.....I'm already dying for this. I can't explain why 100% but trust me, the anticipation is there.


You should read it. Your local library probably has a copy. I'm sure the movie will be good, but no matter how well done it is, it won't compare to the book, so I encourage you to read it before the movie.

[OpT!Mu5]

Originally posted by outsyder
You should read it. Your local library probably has a copy. I'm sure the movie will be good, but no matter how well done it is, it won't compare to the book, so I encourage you to read it before the movie.

Big Fuckin' DITTO.:D

[teenkiller]

I just watched a teaser trailer for this. I'm not sure if it was official though. It looked like it might have been fan made. At any rate it didn't really show anything so my interest hasn't been elevated. Not familiar with the comic so at this point I'm still neutral on the subject. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[outsyder]

There's no teaser trailer. What you saw was a LIE.

[teenkiller]

Thanks for clearing that up. Good thing too cause that trailer fucking sucked! Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[outsyder]

Oh, www.watchmenmovie.com has added the Comic-Con poster to its features. Now you can view it in hi res glory!

[Smiert Spionam]

Originally posted by teenkiller
I just watched a teaser trailer for this. I'm not sure if it was official though.

They literally just announced the cast last week and the film isn't due out until 3/2009...

[vesaker]

nice casting for Hollis and form that pick above it looks like he could pull off a cool looking Joker too, now i wonder who they will get to play the News vendor guy?

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by vesaker
nice casting for Hollis and form that pick above it looks like he could pull off a cool looking Joker too, now i wonder who they will get to play the News vendor guy?

Probably a nobody for that role, but I always envisioned him as Dick Miller, the guy who plays Murray Fudderman in "Gremlins". Unfortunately, he is pretty old now, even for that role.

[Smiert Spionam]

Originally posted by vesaker
now i wonder who they will get to play the News vendor guy?

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s49/cornerfilm/ChristopherWalken.jpg

'Nuff said.

[Danger^Cart]

^Brilliant.

The rest of the Minutemen still need to be cast. Any ideas?

I hope they get an actual actor to play Hooded Justice, and not just some big guy who can fill out the costume. You might not think so, because he's only in a few scenes and doesn't say much when he is, but I'm sick of wrestlers finding work in respectable film projects.

Body language, voice. Just because you never see his face doesn't mean there's not acting involved.

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
^Brilliant.

The rest of the Minutemen still need to be cast. Any ideas?

I hope they get an actual actor to play Hooded Justice, and not just some big guy who can fill out the costume. You might not think so, because he's only in a few scenes and doesn't say much when he is, but I'm sick of wrestlers finding work in respectable film projects.

Body language, voice. Just because you never see his face doesn't mean there's not acting involved.

Unfortunately, from what I've heard, Hooded Justice may not be in the film. They might have Hollis be the one who stops Blake, from, well, ya know (don't feel like putting up a spoiler warning).

[Weapon X]

Why would they cut out Hooded Justice? He's the guy who started the superhero trend in Watchmen, not to mention...

MILD SPOILER

...Laurie always figured HJ was her real father, given his relationship with Sally Jupiter.

[vesaker]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
[BI hope they get an actual actor to play Hooded Justice, and not just some big guy who can fill out the costume. You might not think so, because he's only in a few scenes and doesn't say much when he is, but I'm sick of wrestlers finding work in respectable film projects. [/B]

Heh the only time lately i can think of where it was a good idea to ave a wrestler for a part was Kevin Nash in Punisher, he played a good Russian :D

[Smiert Spionam]

Originally posted by vesaker
Heh the only time lately i can think of where it was a good idea to ave a wrestler for a part was Kevin Nash in Punisher, he played a good Russian :D

How about when Kevin Nash played Super Shredder in TMNT 2?

[outsyder]

The Longest Yard had a crapload of wrestlers.

The remake that is.

[vesaker]

Originally posted by Smiert Spionam
How about when Kevin Nash played Super Shredder in TMNT 2?

oh snap that was him too? heh did not know that

[filmforlife]

Here’s an interesting graphic comparing cast selections for “Watchmen” from 1986, 1991, 2005 and to today.

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/2007/08/graphic-watchmen-cast-comparison-from.html

[Cop No. 633]

You know what, out all the cast lists... Snyder has the best one I'd say. I like that he chose actors with caliber who aren't very famous because it really would take away from the story and characters. As cool as Jude is for being a fan, I think it would be distracting. You'd be watching Jude Law as Adrian, not Adrian Veidt.

The only questionable person is Malin Ackerman, but I think like Heath Ledger (who was very questionable when first announced), she must have given a great audition to get the part.

I'd say Gilliam had the worst cast list out of all three. Robin Williams?? Kevin Costner?? Gary mother fucking Busey????? What the fuck was he thinking? As much as Williams is a good actor (and a shitty, thieving comedian) he is completely wrong for Rorshach. I'm glad he never got the chance to direct Sam Hamm's script. I think that would have only confirmed Alan Moore's fear that Hollywood is intentionally trying to rape his great comic.

[vesaker]

Originally posted by filmforlife
Here’s an interesting graphic comparing cast selections for “Watchmen” from 1986, 1991, 2005 and to today.

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/2007/08/graphic-watchmen-cast-comparison-from.html

LOL, Robin Williams as Rorshach!?! thats horrible

[Smiert Spionam]

Originally posted by vesaker
LOL, Robin Williams as Rorshach!?! thats horrible

I wouldn't necessarily say horrible. I could compare that to the Nicholson casting of Batman '89, as in he's an actor who has the chops for the role, but not the look whatsoever....

[MickeyKnox]

I think Paul Greengrass's cast is awesome, Terry Gilliam's version with that cast would have been horrible, but Snyder has a good collective cast.


http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/watchmen_large.jpg

[outsyder]

Gilliam's cast looks like the most speculative of the bunch. Not sure if those people were sincerely looked at or there because of their popularity at the time.

Either way, I'd rather have Gilliam directing this than either Greengrass or Snyder.

[Smiert Spionam]

Carla Gugino is Sally Jupiter!

Carla Gugino (Sin City) has joined the cast of Watchmen, the Warner Bros. adaptation of the DC Comics limited series.

She joins Patrick Wilson, Jackie Earle Haley, Matthew Goode, Billy Crudup, Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Malin Akerman in the Warner Bros. movie, which is set in an alternate America that has passed a law banning costumed crime fighters. When one is murdered, the remaining members set out to solve the mystery.

Gugino will play Sally Jupiter, a burlesque dancer-turned-costumed heroine and sex symbol the Silk Spectre who is part of the Minutemen, a group of heroes who preceded the Watchmen. She also is the mother of the new Silk Spectre (Akerman). Gugino is expected to portray Jupiter in varying eras, playing different ages throughout the movie.

Zack Snyder (300) will direct the film, which is set to start shooting in the fall in Vancouver.

Source: http://www.superherohype.com/news/watchmennews.php?id=6175

I remember her being previously rumored before somewhere. Honestly, I'm pretty in-different to as to her being cast since I haven't seen her in enough roles to say whether she's a good actress or not. However, I do know that I liked her in Sin City.....

http://www.script-o-rama.com/sincity/sc12.jpg

http://www.solidcaps.com/images/fems/CarlaGugino/zn-Gugino-Carla02.jpg

A lot.

[vesaker]

hmmm interesting casting, she should do alright i suppose. Sally doesn't do much aside from talking and Carla did well enough with her lines in Sin City so we'll see.

What bigger characters are left now? I guess theres the Moloch, he had a big enough part i suppose. Oh and the Detectives who are investigating teh blake murder too, who do you tink would be good for them?

[outsyder]

Don't forget the newsstand guy and the kid, as well as the psychiatrist .

[Weapon X]

It's too bad Jerry Orbach is dead; I'd have cast him as one of the detectives. As for Bernie the news vendor, I always hear Ed Asner's voice whenever I read his lines.

[Cop No. 633]

For the role of the psychiatriast, there's only one man that comes to mind who has the build and the acting chops...

Frankie Faison

http://www.nndb.com/people/972/000050822/faison_frankie.jpg

Look at him and look at the comic. It's perfect.

[OpT!Mu5]

Originally posted by CosmicPuppet
For the role of the psychiatriast, there's only one man that comes to mind who has the build and the acting chops...

Frankie Faison

http://www.nndb.com/people/972/000050822/faison_frankie.jpg

Look at him and look at the comic. It's perfect.

(Borat Voice)

I like...

[dennisv]

I wonder if they'll have the pirate story and those parts has a huge meaning to the Watchmen story. I can't remember if the comic book reader by the newstand was ayoung kid or a young adult... So I don't know which black actor should play him.

[outsyder]

It was a young kid.

Maybe . . . .

http://www.cwtv.com/shows/everybody-hates-chris/cast/images/c/0000/cw-chris-prt-TWilliams-a_000628-eec2c1-281x374.jpg


As for the Black Freighter dude, the idea was to keep him out of the movie, but scenes for the DVD release may be filmed with Gerard Butler in the role.

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by CosmicPuppet
For the role of the psychiatriast, there's only one man that comes to mind who has the build and the acting chops...

Frankie Faison

http://www.nndb.com/people/972/000050822/faison_frankie.jpg

Look at him and look at the comic. It's perfect.

You're definitely on to something there.

[Smiert Spionam]

Originally posted by CosmicPuppet
For the role of the psychiatriast, there's only one man that comes to mind who has the build and the acting chops...

Frankie Faison

Not a bad choice at all. I was still thinkin' someone.......cooler:

Chi McBride

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7541/647preuw1.jpg

Guy fuckin' owns in any role he's in. Grant it, they're mostly comedic, but he's capable of doing drama as well. Hell, his character from The Nine looks almost exactly like Malcolm Long, and his name on the show was even coincidently, "Malcolm Jones:"

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7928/78056650ek0.jpg

[Cop No. 633]

I think Chi's okay, but with Frankie's career already having dealt with one psycho in a ward with Silence of the Lambs, I think it'd be a cooler to do it again from a psychiatrist's role instead of an orderly. I guess I prefer Frankie... Gotta love him in Do the Right Thing and CHUD. hehe

[floydtheater07]

***SPOILER BELOW***

Over at imdb.com (I know, I know), there is a small petition for those who believe that Adrian needs to live for the film to have any point whatsoever. Here is the link...


http://imdb.com/title/tt0409459/board/thread/82017546


Not sure if it will make a big difference, but worth a shot.

[floydtheater07]

The release year is back to 2008 over at IMDB. Did anyone hear anything, or is this another example of IMDB being inaccurate regarding this film?

[Smiert Spionam]

Originally posted by floydtheater07
The release year is back to 2008 over at IMDB. Did anyone hear anything, or is this another example of IMDB being inaccurate regarding this film?

The date hasn't changed on the official site. I'd just stick with that....

[wheresdonnie?]

Ooh, I like the idea of Chris Walken as the newsvendor. He would also be good as the older Nite Owl, in my opinion (just look at Catch me if you can). I think both Chi McBride and Frankie Faison would do a good job as the psychiatrist, but can't really think of anyone who'd be a good fit for the mob boss in prison. Oh yeah, and what about Ron Perlman for the head of the right wing magazine that Rorschach writes to?

[Cop No. 633]

For Big Figure... somebody old, short and annoying. They don't necessarily have to be a midget. As long they can fit the role.

I think I may know who fits that bill. Henry Gibson, the barfly from Magnolia who kept giving Donnie Smith shit.

http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/ce/HenryGibson_150x225.jpg

I can picture him saying this line perfectly: "You're alone in the valley of the shadow, Rorschach, where your past has a long reach, and between you and it there's one crummy lock. Think about it."

[Danger^Cart]

^Awesome call.

[vesaker]

yeah good call on that one, heh i can't wait to see Rorschach chase who ever they get down the hall way and into the bathroom, he better give an entertaining scream :D

[dennisv]

I think this guy should be Dr. Manhatten. He has the physique. Not sure on the acting.

http://www.xmenfilms.net/ColossusCerebro111.gif


and this guy from Batman Begins and Doom as Rorscach..


http://spiritualpsychologyofacting.com/img/actor-rb.jpg

[vesaker]

Originally posted by dennisv
I think this guy should be Dr. Manhatten. He has the physique. Not sure on the acting.

http://www.xmenfilms.net/ColossusCerebro111.gif

While i would have to agree with you i have to point out that i think he doesn't have much acting experiance and thats why he was such an under used character in the X-Men movies.

[OpT!Mu5]

Originally posted by CosmicPuppet
For Big Figure... somebody old, short and annoying. They don't necessarily have to be a midget. As long they can fit the role.

I think I may know who fits that bill. Henry Gibson, the barfly from Magnolia who kept giving Donnie Smith shit.

http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/ce/HenryGibson_150x225.jpg

I can picture him saying this line perfectly: "You're alone in the valley of the shadow, Rorschach, where your past has a long reach, and between you and it there's one crummy lock. Think about it."

Holy shit that's amazing...it's uncanny!

Although that guy in the comic was like four feet tall, they could do some trick photography...

[yorrick brown]

Carla Gugino i like her and all but sallys only really carlas age in the chapter where comedian trys to rape her,so are they gonna age her for the rest as she`s a old lady for most of the comic.

[WalterKovacs]

Gotta say, I like Greengrass's casting choices more, but I'm assuming Snyder picked lesser known actors (with the exception of Billy Crudup, Carla Gugino, and Patrick Wilson) who's pay rate is not as steep as Greengrass's selections so that he can focus more on the scope of the film, like the length, special effects, etc. I think they'll pull this one off. Snyder has a very slick imagination, and according to him Dave Gibbons read the screenplay and really enjoyed it, as did Tyler Bates, the composer. Some of my main concerns are *SPOILERS* how they are going to show Dr. Manhattan in his giant form, him on Mars in that gear ship, and that giant octopus fucker with one eye that destroys New York at the end of the film? How could they pull that off while keeping this grounded in reality, if that is their intention as I've heard before? Scares me a little...

[WalterKovacs]

Haha, nice choice for Big Figure. I like that.

[Smiert Spionam]

Courtesy of watchmenmovie.com, I present the first set photos:

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/photos/091007-jfk01-big.jpg

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/photos/091007-jfk02-big.jpg

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/photos/091007-jfk03-big.jpg

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/photos/091007-jfk04-big.jpg

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/photos/091007-jfk05-big.jpg

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/photos/091007-jfk06-big.jpg

[outsyder]

I think it moved.

[vesaker]

cool pics tnx for posting them :D

[Cop No. 633]

Awesome pics. That guy looked just like JFK to me as soon as I saw the first pic. Man, Snyder really is sticking closely to the book. I can't wait to see it.

[Danger^Cart]

Can't let this fall off the front page, for fear of needless thread spamming.

[Superplasmatron]

i'm not looking faward to this shit pile of a movie ruining watchmen.


i wanted greengrass to make it

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
i'm not looking faward to this shit pile of a movie ruining watchmen.


i wanted greengrass to make it


I want Greengrass to make it as well, but he hasn't had the same amount of success as Zack Snyder and I doubt he has enough influence with the studio to get it done the way it should be. Snyder is clearly dedicated to preserving the content of the comic and he will be able to.

[Danger^Cart]

The movie won't "ruin" Watchmen. It's not like, upon release of the film, a large coalition of anonymous henchmen are going to go door to door burning every copy of Watchmen Fahrenheit 451 style. If you don't like the movie, then just go back and read the godamn book.

Such a great, important work should not be confined to a single medium. That's fucking stupid.

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
The movie won't "ruin" Watchmen. It's not like, upon release of the film, a large coalition of anonymous henchmen are going to go door to door burning every copy of Watchmen Fahrenheit 451 style. If you don't like the movie, then just go back and read the godamn book.

Such a great, important work should not be confined to a single medium. That's fucking stupid.

Thats not what i mean i mean as a film it will ruin it,

and i think alan moore would put a hex on you for your last comment, if you told him .

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by floydtheater07
I want Greengrass to make it as well, but he hasn't had the same amount of success as Zack Snyder and I doubt he has enough influence with the studio to get it done the way it should be. Snyder is clearly dedicated to preserving the content of the comic and he will be able to.

His cast is pretty shit though, and as for sucess surely greengrasses most recent film was more than huge.

oh n 300 sucked balls!

[Smiert Spionam]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
His cast is pretty shit though, and as for sucess surely greengrasses most recent film was more than huge.

Why, cuz he chose the actors he felt were best for the parts and not a bunch of over-exposed, A-listers?

Seriously, what's wrong with the cast?

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
His cast is pretty shit though, and as for sucess surely greengrasses most recent film was more than huge.

oh n 300 sucked balls!


I really need to disagree. First of all, Greengrass was developing "Watchmen" before "Ultimatum", so the success of that film would not have affected his ability to bargain with the studio.

I thought I would hate "300", but it was an exceptional adaptation of a comic.


As far as the cast goes, i think it is absolutely fantastic. Patrick Wilson, with a little added weight, is the spitting image of Dan Dreiberg. Jackie Earle Haley is just inspired casting, Malin Akerman might surprise us, and Billy Crudup is an extraordinary actor.

[dennisv]

You guys are judging this way too much to think this will suck.. Not that I'm saying it COULD be good, but they havent barely started it yet and probably did just that scene so how could you know the outcome possibility of this movie? Remember, he has Alan Moore the writer of the book, alongside to help him build the movie. 300 was just flawless because unlike other comic book movies, it followed exactly everything from the book, panel to panel, word from word. Know why? Because he had Frank Miller with him on the set. So with Alan Moore with him, in my opinion, there's no chance in hell this will suck. Shit, The League of Extraodinary Gentlemen could've been a masterpiece, but it wasn't... there was no ALAN MOORE on the set! So he got fucked in this ass from the studio and never bothered getting his opinion. Zack Snyder is a smart lad, because he personally asked Miller to help him.

[vesaker]

Originally posted by dennisv
Remember, he has Alan Moore the writer of the book, alongside to help him build the movie.

when the hell was that announced? from my understanding and what i heardbefore is taht Moore is still being a whinny bastard and not having anything to do with the film and hates DC's guts for allowing it to be adapted for cinema in the first place.

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by vesaker
when the hell was that announced? from my understanding and what i heardbefore is taht Moore is still being a whinny bastard and not having anything to do with the film and hates DC's guts for allowing it to be adapted for cinema in the first place.


Yeah, that seems to still be the situation. He has Dave Gibbons, the illustrator of the comic, supporting the film (although I don't think he is hanging around the set), but from what I understand, Moore is still steering clear.

[Tweek]

Jackie Earle Haley is just inspired casting,

Word. When his name was mentioned it seemed perfect.

[dennisv]

Originally posted by vesaker
when the hell was that announced? from my understanding and what i heardbefore is taht Moore is still being a whinny bastard and not having anything to do with the film and hates DC's guts for allowing it to be adapted for cinema in the first place.

What I heard and read somewhere that Snyder personally had a discussion with him before the movie was green-lighted and they're on the same page.

[outsyder]

That's just shocking given that Moore has refused to even speak about any other film projects derived from his work. Especially given that Watchmen is his most guarded work.

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by Smiert Spionam
Why, cuz he chose the actors he felt were best for the parts and not a bunch of over-exposed, A-listers?

Seriously, what's wrong with the cast?

greengrass had a better cast, who do you mean by over exposed?

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by dennisv
What I heard and read somewhere that Snyder personally had a discussion with him before the movie was green-lighted and they're on the same page.


that sounds made up to me.

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by vesaker
when the hell was that announced? from my understanding and what i heardbefore is taht Moore is still being a whinny bastard and not having anything to do with the film and hates DC's guts for allowing it to be adapted for cinema in the first place.

a whinny bastard? He's had two of his comics turned into pure shit as films!

I have respect for him telling the film studios to shove their cash. Though I do think V for vendetta was pretty good, league of extraordinary gentle men and from hell were fucking shit!

[vesaker]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
a whinny bastard? He's had two of his comics turned into pure shit as films!

I have respect for him telling the film studios to shove their cash. Though I do think V for vendetta was pretty good, league of extraordinary gentle men and from hell were fucking shit!

It has nothing to do wiht the fact they are turned into films, its that he doesn't and will never own the rights to his stories like watchmen and V for Vendetta that he doesn't want them made into movies.

He signed a contract with DC that the stuff he put out through them they would own the rights to as long as they stay in print, so DC will just never let them go out of print and therefor the rights to his stories will never revert back to Moore and thats why he's so against these things being made into films.

Yes he has other reasons like presurving the medium and such but the above mentioned is his main problem with the whole idea.

And i call him a whiny bastard cause while he is a litterary genius imo he wasn't for some reason able to read his own contract that he signed and then bitches about it lol.

[floydtheater07]

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3334&Itemid=99


So, there is the clip from Zack talking about the first week of shooting. Not too much there, but it's better than nothing.

[vesaker]

heh, well its a good thing the whole crew wants the movie to be cool, last thing they need are some crewers that want to make this movie crappy

[Mr.HyDe807]

Im excited this for it, i really am. Im jsut very interested on how Synder is gonna be able to adapt to a full length movie with all these details from the book.

[vesaker]

Im excited this for it, i really am. Im jsut very interested on how Synder is gonna be able to adapt to a full length movie with all these details from the book.

It will be tough, which is why theres the rumours of htings going to be cut like the Black Frieghter, the Doctors Notes and i think there was one other thing too. I could see the Black frieghter being cut but nothing else.

[Tweek]

The Black Freighter getting cut makes total sense for a movie adaptation. But they shouldn't cut the doctor's notes, in my humble opinion as they add another level to the character that I personally found to be heartbreaking, if that's the right word.

[Cop No. 633]

If Zach Snyder said he wanted this to have a Taxi Driver feel, I'm 100% confident that the diary voice over narration will be kept intact. Otherwise, I don't see how Snyder could say this will feel like the Taxi Driver of superhero films. It NEEDS to have the narration to support that kind of idea. Let's face it, our demented hero's Rorschach and if you don't have any of his narration, you wouldn't really know much about him.

[Tweek]

I endorse CosmicPuppet's post.

[vesaker]

I endorse CosmicPuppet's post.

as do i for sure, The doctors notes ARE the back story for Rorsh' and his narative is the calm center to all thats going on in the story. Regardless of how crazy the stroy gets in terms of tension and such his narative is there to keep it all in perspective so its doesn't seem outlandish.

The only thing they could cut would be Black freighter cause it has no direct relivence to the story and its just a devise for setting mood which can be done in a variety of differetn ways such as music in a film format.

Funny thing is is after looking overteh story there really isn't any back story presented for Night Owl/Danniel while all the other characters get quite a detailed one, but the nagain they end up tieing back directly to the story in alot of instances so perhaps Dans back story would have just been extra fat anyways.

[yorrick brown]

Malin Akerman spoke to SuperheroHype! about her upcoming role in the "Watchmen" film, where she stars as Laurie Juspeczyk, AKA The Silk Spectre.

"She's sort of the psychology of the film because she's the only woman in the 'Watchmen' aside from the previous '"Watchmen,'" Akerman explained. "She is a femme fatale, she is a kick ass fighter, and I think she sort of carries the emotion of the film because she is the only woman amongst all of these men. They're going through sort of not being the Watchmen anymore and dealing with that as well as trying to figure out who is trying to kill them off. It's a really, really, really well written script."

She added that production already started and she will be needed on set on October 15th. The entire thing will last until February. "It's a long shoot," she said.

Director Zack Snyder is known for his use of the green screen on "300," but how much green screen use will there be in the "Watchmen"? "There's not that much green screen because it's very real," Akerman explained. "We're not superheroes or anything like that. We just fight. We fight crime. There's only one scene on Mars that I think will be a green screen."

http://www.worstpreviews.com/review.php?id=590

[JJFlamingo]

I went to college with Alex Tse, who wrote the Watchmen script, wonder what he'll come up with...:D

[vesaker]

Malin Akerman spoke to SuperheroHype! about her upcoming role in the "Watchmen" film, where she stars as Laurie Juspeczyk, AKA The Silk Spectre.

"She's sort of the psychology of the film because she's the only woman in the 'Watchmen' aside from the previous '"Watchmen,'" Akerman explained. "She is a femme fatale, she is a kick ass fighter, and I think she sort of carries the emotion of the film because she is the only woman amongst all of these men. They're going through sort of not being the Watchmen anymore and dealing with that as well as trying to figure out who is trying to kill them off. It's a really, really, really well written script."

She added that production already started and she will be needed on set on October 15th. The entire thing will last until February. "It's a long shoot," she said.

Director Zack Snyder is known for his use of the green screen on "300," but how much green screen use will there be in the "Watchmen"? "There's not that much green screen because it's very real," Akerman explained. "We're not superheroes or anything like that. We just fight. We fight crime. There's only one scene on Mars that I think will be a green screen."

http://www.worstpreviews.com/review.php?id=590

so she doesn't sound too brain dead there, i was expecting her to mention that her character was the only woman in hte gorup for a third time but saddly she stopped repating her basic points lol.

All's i gotta say is when her character comes to her "big realization" this chick had better BLEED emotion cause if she blows that shot the fan boys will have head on a pike....... and you don't even want to know what they'll do with her boddy afterwords lol ;)

[Tweek]

so she doesn't sound too brain dead there, i was expecting her to mention that her character was the only woman in hte gorup for a third time but saddly she stopped repating her basic points lol.


Some people just repeat themselves without realizing it when SAYING things.

[outsyder]

I went to college with Alex Tse, who wrote the Watchmen script, wonder what he'll come up with...:D

You can download the script at www.watchmencomicmovie.com

[thedudeman69]

You can download the script at www.watchmencomicmovie.com



You can download the older verisons, but not Tse's, which i want to read rather than the older ones.

[yorrick brown]

two new writers brought in.

hint they wrote the island and mission impossible 3.


loved the Dawn of the Dead remake and I really loved 300. If there is anybody that can pull this off it’s fanboy turned director Zack Snyder.

There have been a couple of recent script reviews for Alex Tse’s Watchmen draft and it was all for nothing since Zack brought in the Dynamic Duo of Hollywood to do a page one re-write.

Who’s the Dynamic Duo of Hollywood? Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. Hot off Transformers, the pair were brought in months ago to take a whack at the critically acclaimed superheroes.

I don’t know how many elements of Alex Tse’s script remains in the current shooting draft but we have been told that the script is quite different from the former.

We have also been informed that there were minor tweaks of the Orci/Kurtzman script done by director Zack Snyder himself. Can’t go wrong with these three involved!

[JJFlamingo]

Wow, cool news Yorrick! We might as well rename you "scoop"...:D

[yorrick brown]

Wow, cool news Yorrick! We might as well rename you "scoop"...:D


thanks.i don`t get paid to do this so why do it?.i really need a boyfriend.

[vesaker]

Some people just repeat themselves without realizing it when SAYING things.

oh i know, but if she's doing interviews you tihnk she would have put some more thought into what she was going to say, if anything ppl veiw her as hte weakest like of the movie for what ever reasons so htat probably just casts her in a bad light to begin with.

thanks.i don`t get paid to do this so why do it?.i really need a boyfriend.

heh you have been ontop of those scoops lately i must say lol ;)

[Tweek]

oh i know, but if she's doing interviews you tihnk she would have put some more thought into what she was going to say, if anything ppl veiw her as hte weakest like of the movie for what ever reasons so htat probably just casts her in a bad light to begin with.


-shrug- Don't see it as a big deal, myself.

[ROSES]

a whinny bastard? He's had two of his comics turned into pure shit as films!

I have respect for him telling the film studios to shove their cash. Though I do think V for vendetta was pretty good, league of extraordinary gentle men and from hell were fucking shit!

While I liked Form Hell film. I agree with you on the V for Vendtta film, It was very good and well made film. It convey such a great abstraction film ,I would say I loved it.

I did enjoyed 300 but I didn't love it.

For Watchmen movie, I have no idea about it since I haven't read the comic
but read what was Zack given an interview, I hope he could do the good job.

[Tweek]

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/index.php


Booyah. I don't know who these wonderful people are. But I only found this site today.

[Cop No. 633]

God damn Matthew Goode. If Snyder stays faithful to the book 3/4's of the way and for some reason DOESN'T with the ending... it will piss me off more than anything else in the world. I'd never forgive him and I'd never see another film made by him. You only get ONE chance with this comic... if you fuck it up or change shit to make it more "appealing" it will ruin what made this piece of art so amazing. It really is to me, the most important comic book story.

I trust Snyder, but all this shifty eyes talk about the ending just gets my blood boiling every time I hear anything about it. Snyder should just man up and say, "Guys, don't worry, the ending ain't changing."

:::::MINOR SPOILERS:::::

I don't care if they change the Cthulu inspired creature, but as long as "something" happens in a certain city and somebody certainly doesn't kick the bucket, I'll be fucking happy.

[vesaker]

-shrug- Don't see it as a big deal, myself.

oh i'm not making it into one but i'm sure you and i both know how 'fan boys/girls' can be and when dealing with something that obviously intelectual like Watchmen that you can just imagin what they must be thinking of someting like that lol.

[OpT!Mu5]

Someone's gonna have to fill me in. What exactly was Alex Tse's ending that Goode was referring to in that interview? I know Hayter's ending was different than the comic, but the review I read of Tse's draft says that the ending is absolutely atrocious.

I think obviously Snyder still isn't set on a specific ending for the film, but I agree with CosmicPuppet in that I don't need the Cthulu creature, but certain "events" NEED to transpire.

I just can't believe that with the one comic-book movie THAT YOU ABSOLUTELY CANNOT FUCK UP, they decide to change the ending. If they decide to go with Tse's terrible ending then I hope he gets raped repeatedly until he dies from a perforated colon like that dude that got plowed by that horse.

I am just kidding, but seriously, they better get their shit together.

[Smiert Spionam]

An extra from the set of Watchmen provided a set report to the discussion thread on IMDb. I didn't know people actually posted on that site. I'll just quote him -- dude goes by the monicker Dracenstei.

His initial post:
SPOILER ALERT: I worked on Watchment today as a background actor. They were filming the prison cafeteria fight scene. We filmed it at Riverside Hospital in Coquitlam, BC. It's an actual working lunatic asylum in real life and is still used today. Jackie Earl Hayley was hilarious. He's so tiny but so full of energy. After every take he'd go running up to the director Zach Snyder and watch his last take. Both Zach and Jackie were like kids having the time of their lives on set despite all the other crew being all stressed about everything. I played a prisoner in the cafeteria line who watches the unsuing [sic] altercation and the hot oil scalding of another inmate. We were on set for 15 hours and the one scene we filmed probably won't last more than a minute in the final cut.

In response to a question, he provided a bit more info:
Jackie's wearing a red wig with dyed eye brows to match (his hair looked very real to me). The prison outfit is a gray pair of cotton dockers type pants with a grayish/blue cotton button up shirt along with suede slip-on shoes.

[OpT!Mu5]

I played a prisoner in the cafeteria line who watches the unsuing [sic] altercation and the hot oil scalding of another inmate.

I can't wait to hear that infamous line...

"You don't understand...I'm not locked up in here with you, YOU'RE locked up in here with me."

:D

[Weapon X]

Someone's gonna have to fill me in. What exactly was Alex Tse's ending that Goode was referring to in that interview? I know Hayter's ending was different than the comic, but the review I read of Tse's draft says that the ending is absolutely atrocious.

Possibly BIG MUTHAFUCKIN' SPOILERS

Both drafts had Dan fighting Adrian. Adrian pretty much owns Dan, but then Dan manages pull a rabbit out of a hat and kill Adrian. In the Hayter draft, Dan throws a Batarang-type weapon; Adrain dodges it, but it circles the room and hits him by surprise. In Tse's version, Dan hit's the Owlship's remote and sends it crashing through the wall and crushes Adrian. Between the two, if they absolutely HAD to kill Adrian, I'd go with Hayter's version. It had subtlety.

Not to mention Hayter included a pretty kickass touch that I fear has completely been dropped from the shooting draft: Earlier in Hayter's script Dan discusses the Beatles' album Abbey Road with Laurie, particularly the last lines of "The End," calling it "the perfect summation of human existance." Part of Adrian's plan was, after the "New York event," to issue instructions to the world's leaders through little black boxes he'd anonymously sent them. After Dan kills Adrian, he sees the command input terminal, sits down at it and enters: "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make."

[OpT!Mu5]

Possible Spoilers.......

In the Hayter draft, Dan throws a Batarang-type weapon; Adrain dodges it, but it circles the room and hits him by surprise. In Tse's version, Dan hit's the Owlship's remote and sends it crashing through the wall and crushes Adrian. Between the two, if they absolutely HAD to kill Adrian, I'd go with Hayter's version. It had subtlety.

Ok...I hate both of these, but I like the owlship idea just cause the boomerang thing is pretty cliche. Also, how do they end in terms of the big picture? Do they involve the cthulu creature or a nuclear strike? I heard one of the drafts involves Dr. Manhattan as the New York incident instead of the creature...I guess I'm wondering if Veidt "gets away with it" or are they gonna gay it up and have Night Owl and Rorschach save the day? Also just the idea of Veidt dying makes me wanna hurl.

After Dan kills Adrian, he sees the command input terminal, sits down at it and enters: "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make."

I also like this idea. I've never been a Beatles fan, but I can appreciate the theme to it. Too bad it seems like Snyder is making some really bad decisions.

I really don't wanna walk out of the theatre wishing Greengrass never left the project...

[Weapon X]

SPOILERS, BLAH BLAH BLAH...

Also, how do they end in terms of the big picture? Do they involve the cthulu creature or a nuclear strike? I heard one of the drafts involves Dr. Manhattan as the New York incident instead of the creature...I guess I'm wondering if Veidt "gets away with it" or are they gonna gay it up and have Night Owl and Rorschach save the day? Also just the idea of Veidt dying makes me wanna hurl.

Neither version features the alien, which I always thought was way too "out there" to be taken seriously. Hayter's version had Adrian strike not only at New York but at several locations around the world with a solar-powered laser weapon orbiting in space. In Tse's version, Adrian impersonated Dr. Manhatten; he made a worldwide announcement using Manhatten's voice, then simulated a sort of "godly lightning strike" to make it look like Manhatten had returned to Earth and was taking on a Big Brother-type role as, if you'll excuse the pun, the ultimate Watchman. Again, I give the tip of the hat to Hayter.

In both versions, Rorschach's fate is identical to the comic. This, in my estimation, is where the real care must be taken. If we're to name anybody the main main character, Rorschach would be it, and I think the core of the ending's emotional punch is that "our hero", the one guy thinking anything even remotely resembling what the audience must be thinking at that point, is extinguished with a literal wave of the hand.

[OpT!Mu5]

More possible spoilers...

Neither version features the alien, which I always thought was way too "out there" to be taken seriously. Hayter's version had Adrian strike not only at New York but at several locations around the world with a solar-powered laser weapon orbiting in space. In Tse's version, Adrian impersonated Dr. Manhatten; he made a worldwide announcement using Manhatten's voice, then simulated a sort of "godly lightning strike" to make it look like Manhatten had returned to Earth and was taking on a Big Brother-type role as, if you'll excuse the pun, the ultimate Watchman. Again, I give the tip of the hat to Hayter.

I like Hayter's version as well, especially because it fits with his struggle while he's on Mars to do anything to help humanity. I can see this working, but it would have to be done very well.

In both versions, Rorschach's fate is identical to the comic.

It's good to see they're doing something right. This will probably be one of if not the most important moment in the film, because like you said, Rorschach is the main character.

Well thanks Weapon X for shedding some light on this, I guess I'm gonna have to wait and see the movie before I can get officially pissed off, but I am pretty weary of some of this stuff. It just baffle's my mind that with another Alan Moore book turned-to-film, and it being Watchmen, the studios would not fuck around with the material. I suppose that was just me being hopeful.

[yorrick brown]

from chud.com and watchman.com

One of the things that has weighed on the minds of Watchmen fans is how Zack Snyder intends to deal with the end of the story. A number of previous drafts of the script have leaked, and they change the ending in ways that some feel are major, and that some feel ruin the thematic cohesiveness of the story (I'll get into more detail later).

Is there hope now that new writers - Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman of Transformers fame - have been brought in to do a pass on the latest script from Alex Tse (which in turn was a variation on the David Hayter script that successfully broke the comic into movie form)? In a new interview with Starlog Magazine, Snyder says that "I'm absolutely keeping the graphic novel's ending." He goes on to also say, "I’m sticking to the hard edge and all of the bickering that’s in Watchmen. If you don’t do that, you shouldn’t do the film at all. The reason why is that the movie works as an answer to what’s out there. It did that as a graphic novel, and it needs to do that as a film. If you want to take out the edgy bits, then don’t bother making it. Never mind!"

But what does he mean when he says he's keeping the ending? I'm about to get on a plane to Vancouver where I'll be visiting the set of Watchmen, so I'll have a chance to ask him in person, but in the meantime I wonder if he means that he's keeping the ending in spirit and not to the letter. Here be spoilers:

In the comic, the story ends when former hero Adrian Veidt, aka Ozymandias, kills a huge portion of New York City using a genetically engineered space alien squid. It's for the greater good, though; the world is on the edge of nuclear armageddon and Veidt, the world's smartest man, sees that the only way to unite the warring nations is to present them with a bigger, meaner threat from beyond.

In the latest scripts that I have read (I have not read any of Orci and Kurtzman's work), Veidt's plan is similar, except this time he uses an orbiting space laser to hit targets all around the world. He also presents the world with a holographic image of self-exiled superhero Dr. Manhattan, saying that he'll keep hitting people with lasers if they don't stop all the fussing and fighting.

There are problems with that ending - the Dr. Manhattan ultimatum doesn't make people come together so much as it subjugates them. Also, every script so far has Veidt die at the end; he very much survives in the comic, which is part of the ending's moral complexity (the question of whether Veidt was right or wrong keeps comic fans bickering to this day).

So which is it - is Snyder reinstating a possibly expensive FX sequence with the alien devastation of New York (and a possibly overly complex storyline about kidnapped writers and artists and engineers who helped create the beast - a storyline that's even unwieldy in the 12 issue comic) or is he 'keeping the ending' in terms of Ozymandias' plan working, lots of people dying, etc. It's worth noting that the original Sam Hamm piece of shit script from a decade and change ago has our heroes STOPPING Ozymandias and then being - wait for it - transported to the 'real world' for all their efforts. It's the worst ending of all time. So if Snyder at least allows Ozymandias to complete his plan - whatever form that may take in this film - he can technically say he's keeping the ending.


ps they had malin ackerman on ellen.wow shes really pretty and yeah dye her hair brown and abit longer and thats spot on casting.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3061/53459124vm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Laurel (Laurie) Juspeczyk

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[Tweek]

i didn't see Ellen... WAS her hair brown? I mean, it won't ruin the movie (hopefully) if it isn't, but I would just like it.

[yorrick brown]

i didn't see Ellen... WAS her hair brown? I mean, it won't ruin the movie (hopefully) if it isn't, but I would just like it.no it was short and very blond.she was on for some movie shes starring in with ben stiller.

i`m guessing she wears a wig in watchman

[Cop No. 633]

Phew... I'm a happy man now. Thank you Yorrick for posting what I had hoped would be Zach's decision. As long as they keep the meaning of the ending alive, it's going to be great.

We don't exactly need a Cthulu character, but if he wants to do it, by all means, I want Zach to do it. If I had it my way, there wouldn't be any changes to the story at all. Just some editing to keep it a well paced film.

::::SPOILERS:::::

I'd be amazed if Zach films the original Nite Owl's last scene. It breaks your heart and would really be a great moment to catch all the mob mentality that runs rampant in the book. It's very cinematic.

[yorrick brown]

sounds like zack`s been kicking ass on this flick as the studio has throwing some extra coin to film.....

HOWEVER, according to Moviehole, the execs at Warner Bros have loved what director Zack Snyder so much that they've given him the money to film Freighter, something that Snyder wrote an entirely seperate script for.

What's it all about? To crib a moment from Wikipedia: Tales of the Black Freighter is a comic book within the Watchmen universe, an example of post-modern metafiction that also serves as a foil for the main plot. The specific issues shown in Watchmen chronicle a castaway's increasingly desperate attempts to return home to warn his family of the impending arrival of the Black Freighter, a phantom pirate ship which houses the souls of the dead. To escape the deserted island he uses the gas-bloated bodies of his former crewmates to float a raft, fending off sharks en route; to infiltrate the (supposedly) pirate-controlled Davidstown he murders a trysting couple and returns dressed in the man's clothing; to save his family he attacks a night watchman who is patrolling the house. However, this watchman is actually his wife, and he soon realizes that there has been no attack and his efforts have only brought about his own destruction. The man returns to the beach to see the Black Freighter approaching, ready to claim the only life it was truly interested in.

Snyder talked about the seperate script briefly at Comic-Con when he revealed that he'd love to film Freighter, but as it was a seperate script he didn't think WB would ever pony up the money. Now the DVD seems like it will have it included - thus proving that March 6, 2009 is a very long time to wait for the theatrical release of Watchmen and that the DVD is a wait that is even longer.

[soda]

from chud.com and watchman.com

One of the things that has weighed on the minds of Watchmen fans is how Zack Snyder intends to deal with the end of the story. A number of previous drafts of the script have leaked, and they change the ending in ways that some feel are major, and that some feel ruin the thematic cohesiveness of the story (I'll get into more detail later).

Is there hope now that new writers - Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman of Transformers fame - have been brought in to do a pass on the latest script from Alex Tse (which in turn was a variation on the David Hayter script that successfully broke the comic into movie form)? In a new interview with Starlog Magazine, Snyder says that "I'm absolutely keeping the graphic novel's ending." He goes on to also say, "I’m sticking to the hard edge and all of the bickering that’s in Watchmen. If you don’t do that, you shouldn’t do the film at all. The reason why is that the movie works as an answer to what’s out there. It did that as a graphic novel, and it needs to do that as a film. If you want to take out the edgy bits, then don’t bother making it. Never mind!"

But what does he mean when he says he's keeping the ending? I'm about to get on a plane to Vancouver where I'll be visiting the set of Watchmen, so I'll have a chance to ask him in person, but in the meantime I wonder if he means that he's keeping the ending in spirit and not to the letter. Here be spoilers:

In the comic, the story ends when former hero Adrian Veidt, aka Ozymandias, kills a huge portion of New York City using a genetically engineered space alien squid. It's for the greater good, though; the world is on the edge of nuclear armageddon and Veidt, the world's smartest man, sees that the only way to unite the warring nations is to present them with a bigger, meaner threat from beyond.

In the latest scripts that I have read (I have not read any of Orci and Kurtzman's work), Veidt's plan is similar, except this time he uses an orbiting space laser to hit targets all around the world. He also presents the world with a holographic image of self-exiled superhero Dr. Manhattan, saying that he'll keep hitting people with lasers if they don't stop all the fussing and fighting.

There are problems with that ending - the Dr. Manhattan ultimatum doesn't make people come together so much as it subjugates them. Also, every script so far has Veidt die at the end; he very much survives in the comic, which is part of the ending's moral complexity (the question of whether Veidt was right or wrong keeps comic fans bickering to this day).

So which is it - is Snyder reinstating a possibly expensive FX sequence with the alien devastation of New York (and a possibly overly complex storyline about kidnapped writers and artists and engineers who helped create the beast - a storyline that's even unwieldy in the 12 issue comic) or is he 'keeping the ending' in terms of Ozymandias' plan working, lots of people dying, etc. It's worth noting that the original Sam Hamm piece of shit script from a decade and change ago has our heroes STOPPING Ozymandias and then being - wait for it - transported to the 'real world' for all their efforts. It's the worst ending of all time. So if Snyder at least allows Ozymandias to complete his plan - whatever form that may take in this film - he can technically say he's keeping the ending.


ps they had malin ackerman on ellen.wow shes really pretty and yeah dye her hair brown and abit longer and thats spot on casting.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3061/53459124vm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Laurel (Laurie) Juspeczyk

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1599/lauriejupeczykfk5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Quick thoughts:

Here has always been my thing with Watchmen, if you're going to do it, this is the ONE book that has to be done exactly as it was written, and that's 90% of it's problem. Watchmen, at it's very core, isn't a comic book about world events, and it isn't a comic book about heroes and villians, Watchmen is a comic book about comic books. My favorite line, maybe in the history of comics ("I'm the goddamn Batman" would come a close second) would be Ozymandias' reply to our heroes after he spills the entire plan, and they tell him they're going to stop it:

"Why would I tell you the plan if I thought you could stop me? I did it fifteen minutes ago."

That is how Watchmen was so different from everything coming out in comics at the time it was published, any fan of silver age comic books (and I'm one of them) gets the subtle way in which watchmen takes all those themes, takes what has been happening up to that point for a half century, and turns it on end. At the close, it ISN'T superman swooping in at the last second and saving the day, it isn't captain america or the x-men bringing peace to mankind, it's a cynical, evil genius (the stereotype super-villian of the silver age was a evil genius/mad scientist) who accomplishes it by introducing an even bigger potential evil. In Watchmen, you can do the right thing, for the wrong reason, and, you can also do the wrong thing for the right reason, to me, Ozymandias has to escape at the end, and half the heroes have to agree that, while they don't support his methods, Ozymandias got results. Rorschach is the voice of the silver age, in this respect, he's the man who stands up and says it doesn't matter what you did, the methods you used are not how heroes do things. That's silver age thinking, at it's finest, that's why Rorschach is the "hero" of watchmen. The question watchmen makes you have to answer is: is Rorschach right? Is there even a "right" answer?

To me, Rorschach is right, that's why he's one of my heroes, and watchmen made me look at that objectively. It may be different for you, however, at the end of the day, I think the ending has to be a creature from outer space. I think the solar ray idea is silly, because it wouldn't represent a greater threat from "out there", part of the reason why the fake alien worked so well is that it isn't a "silver agey" super-villian plot, it isn't a death ray, it isn't a shark with a laser on it's head, as Dr. Evil would ask for, it's vague, it's not a defined threat, and there's no telling when it will strike again, that's what makes the nations of the world have to band together.

[yorrick brown]

theres the new look costumes right behind zacks head.ggggggrrrrrrrr



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biggest tease every,not been able to zoom in on the pictures on the walls.oh the goodstuff thats hanging there:mad::(

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from http://rss.warnerbros.com/watchmen/

[JJFlamingo]

wow sweetie, you must have connections!

[yorrick brown]

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[Dead Halloween]

theres the new look costumes right behind zacks head.ggggggrrrrrrrr



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biggest tease every,not been able to zoom in on the pictures on the walls.oh the goodstuff thats hanging there:mad::(



I don't see Dr. Manhattan's black underwear, does that mean we will see his giant blue penis on IMAX?:eek:

[yorrick brown]

I don't see Dr. Manhattan's black underwear, does that mean we will see his giant blue penis on IMAX?:eek:

well then i`m hoping they bring out a 3-d version:cool:.


from watchman

Zack Snyder and crew were setting up for a November 2nd location shoot in New Westminster Canada, and WatchmenComicMovie’s Katie was there to snap some photos and get some details.

She took some great shots (all of which can be seen from our Movie Photos page) of the front of an old auto repair shop being used for the residence and place of business of retired “mask” Hollis Mason, aka Nite-Owl I, played by Stephen McHattie.

The photos show the faded exterior painted with the familiar “Mason Auto Repair” as well as a large yellow crane that will be used for rain and lighting effects for exterior filming happening tonight and well after midnight

Katie also grabbed a PA to see what else she could find out, including asking about actor Jeffrey Dean Morgan; he answered…

He's not in either of the scenes [tonight]. He's a really nice guy though and he looks great as The Comedian. Actually everyone looks really good, nothing looks cheesey. Even the scenes from the 40s look really good.

The two scenes the PA is likely referring to are a scene from the beginning of the graphic novel where Dan Dreiberg, aka Nite-Owl II, played by Patrick Wilson visits his old friend, and a scene where a violent gang of “knot-tops” burst into Mason’s apartment and attack him.

The PA also confirmed that the week of November 5th they will be shooting scenes at The Old Terminal Pub in New Westminster including one where “Rorschach beats up some guy.” Very cool.

click below to see the pic`s

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/watchmen-movie-photos.php

[JJFlamingo]

alright that looks great...

[Tweek]

well then i`m hoping they bring out a 3-d version.

Well done. ;)

[vesaker]

well then i`m hoping they bring out a 3-d version:cool:.

:rolleyes:

[Tweek]

YES! My copy of "Absolute Watchmen" has arrived. :cool:

[outsyder]

I saw one in my local bookstore, but was too poor to get it. :(

[vesaker]

YES! My copy of "Absolute Watchmen" has arrived. :cool:

enjoy it's quite a treat and the only down side is its a bitch to lug around everywhere lol

[Tweek]

enjoy it's quite a treat and the only down side is its a bitch to lug around everywhere lol

I know! It's a pain in the arse. But ah well!

[yorrick brown]

Three months after Zack Snyder unveiled the main players who would help bring his vision of the epic graphic novel “Watchmen” to the big screen, the acclaimed director has upped his cast by one more head.

Make that a very famous, somewhat disembodied, CG-rendered head.

MTV News has learned that actor Matt Frewer — best known as the stuttering, sarcastic, 80’s icon Max Headroom — has joined the cast of the eagerly anticipated film. The 49-year-old thesp will suit up as Moloch the Mystic, a satanic super villain and magician.

In the graphic novel, Moloch clashes with famous “masks” like Nite Owl, Ozymandias, and Doctor Manhattan, before giving up his life of crime sometime before the action of the novel begins. Rehabilitated, the former vice lord moves to New York City, where he lives alone until his murder in 1985. His dead body is discovered by Rorschach, who is framed for Moloch’s death.

The character is noted for his devilish appearance, which includes elfish, pointed ears.

Frewer is currently filming his scenes, the actor’s manager revealed to us. The star joins a cast that includes Patrick Wilson, Jackie Earle Haley, Billy Crudup, Malin Akerman, Matthew Goode, and Carla Gugino. Frewer previously worked with Snyder on 2004’s “Dawn of the Dead.”

“Watchmen” opens March 6, 2009.

Does this strike you as genius casting? Have your hopes for “Watchmen” continued to soar? Sound off below.

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[yorrick brown]

MAKE ROOM FOR MAX HEADROOM

Three months after Zack Snyder unveiled the main players who would help bring his vision of the epic graphic novel “Watchmen” to the big screen, the acclaimed director has upped his cast by one more head.

Make that a very famous, somewhat disembodied, CG-rendered head.

MTV News has learned that actor Matt Frewer — best known as the stuttering, sarcastic, 80’s icon Max Headroom — has joined the cast of the eagerly anticipated film. The 49-year-old thesp will suit up as Moloch the Mystic, a satanic super villain and magician.

In the graphic novel, Moloch clashes with famous “masks” like Nite Owl, Ozymandias, and Doctor Manhattan, before giving up his life of crime sometime before the action of the novel begins. Rehabilitated, the former vice lord moves to New York City, where he lives alone until his murder in 1985. His dead body is discovered by Rorschach, who is framed for Moloch’s death.

The character is noted for his devilish appearance, which includes elfish, pointed ears.

Frewer is currently filming his scenes, the actor’s manager revealed to us. The star joins a cast that includes Patrick Wilson, Jackie Earle Haley, Billy Crudup, Malin Akerman, Matthew Goode, and Carla Gugino. Frewer previously worked with Snyder on 2004’s “Dawn of the Dead.”

“Watchmen” opens March 6, 2009.

Does this strike you as genius casting? Have your hopes for “Watchmen” continued to soar? Sound off below.

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[JJFlamingo]

Frewer's a good underrated actor, this should measure up...

[yorrick brown]

2009 is so far away:(

[JJFlamingo]

yeah I know :(:(

[Weapon X]

Matt Frewer as Moloch?

I was kinda hoping for Terrence Stamp, but dammit, that just sounds bloody awesome.

[outsyder]

He certainly looks the part. A solid addition.

[SkyNet]

havnt kept up much with the Watchmen news... i like Zach Snyder.. but i did find 300 to be kind of... bleh.. i enjoyed it, but it isnt an everyday watch!

I just heard the news of Matt Frewer and was stoked.. cuz i love Frewer! (C'mon, dude was the principal from Senior Trip... genius)!

I guess him and Zach Snyder got along good... seeing as Frewer was previously in Snyder's remake of Dawn Of The Dead!

[vesaker]

So i'm reading through Watchmen again and marveling at its awsomeness even though this reading is in the dbl digits. Now like most ppl i'm sure that while we say it had better be as tight to the story as possible it will most likely never live up to our expectations one way or another. Now its really easy to blame a director for short coming like this but i believe its as much up to the actor to know the role and deliver the goods as it is the director to direct them.

Now with that in mind here's my list of the scenes that Actors CAN NOT fuck up for this movie to have the emotional impact that the story itself does. And also this isn't to say they can't but you never know.




**SPOILER WARNING**




1. Rorschach - Aside from just generally being creepy Haley is going to have to deliver an incredible Dr's Notes scenes. He's gonig to have to talk about all that fucked up shit in his child hood and during his crimefighting days while showing NO emotion what so ever. You have to believe that he thinks all the things he does to bad ppl is completely justified to the point of him not caring or those scenes won't have as much impact imo. He truely believes himself as some sort of tool of retribution and this scene needs to convey that.

2. Night Owl - Dan is one of the least interesting characters in the story but that doesn't meen he's a bad character in any sense. But he doesn't have much high points in the story, seems more like a bystander through out it, but Wilson is going to have to go APESHIT when he finds out about Hollis. I meen i hope Snyder adds a bit to this scene as just choking the guy seems pretty tame by today's standards. I'd like to see him knock him around a bit then choke and have Roschach actaully have to rip Night Owl off the guy.

3. The Comedien - Again since this character doesn't ahve a whole lot in the story, more then Dan but since he's dead throughout and only seen in flash back its easy to understand. The Big scene for Morgan to pull off though is going to be Blakes visit to the Moloch. Now while this scene is obviously great for forshadowing and dropping hints the biggest thing about it i think will be its contrast to the way the Comedien is in the rest of the story and Morgan will need to keep that in mind.

4. Silk Spectre - First off Akerman will need to be in Bitch mode for about 50% of her screen time. Now this may not seem important but it becomes importent if you parallel it with the Comedien in that she needs be a bitch to make her epiphiny (sp?) on Mars that much more convincing. Her realization of who her father really is is so devistating to her and that really really needs to come through in Akerman's acting.

Ozymandius - The big scene for him aside from explaining his master stroke has to be the Assassination attmept. This is one of the key scenes in the story that puts Veidt above suspision to the point that when he's revealing it as part of his plan his solution to the problem Dan brings up leaves them dumb founded. There can be no hint what so ever that Veidt was behind it or the smart ppl in the crowd that don't know the story may start putting things together lol.

Dr. Manhattan - now he doesn't really have any big time scenes what with his detached nature. But i think in general his flash back will need to be done very well. I meen in terms of cutting and coninuity as it can be easy to mix up exatly which point in time he's reffering to what with all the "13 seconds ago the picture is falling from my hand" stuff. Curdup will also have to put in as much emotion as possible in his flash back scenes for more contrast to the way Dr Manhattan is.

The only other thing i can think of that would need to be done right is the development of all of the street characters since if you can't connect with them and feel for them then the impact of the ending isnt as big, its still pretty big but its all those characters that end up sort of twisting the knife so to speak.

So what are everyone elses thoughts?

[yorrick brown]

more news

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couple of weeks ago Moviehole brought us the news that Zack Snyder had gotten Warner Bros to cough up the dough to allow him to shoot the Tales of the Black Freighter segments from Watchmen. This pirate comic within a comic are not integral to the main plot of Watchmen, but rather comment on the themes and characters in the story, so it was always the first thing cut out by screenwriters taking a crack at the material. Now a scooper has given me more info about what the possible plans are for the Black Freighter: according to my source, there's talk of doing the pirate story in animation*, and releasing it on DVD at the same time that Watchmen is in theaters.

Snyder told me at Comic Con that he wanted to do the Black Freighter 300 style. Could the change to animation be to get around the strike (animation writers are under the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE) for some reason, not the WGA)? The idea of releasing it on DVD at the same time the movie is in theaters (if true - repeated attempts to confirm or deny this story with Warner Bros bore no fruit) is sort of weird - other films have seen animated tie-ins show up in stores, but Black Freighter has just about zero to do with the main Watchmen story. Would this confuse casual fans?

Meanwhile, another exciting development is happening on Watchmen, one that will expand the depth of the film and add some of the detail that just can't be fit into a movie. Readers of the comic know that writer Alan Moore and artist Dave Gibbons packed Watchmen with background and back story detail that creates a rich and rounded world, including text pieces at the end of every issue. A number of the text pieces take the form of excerpts from Under the Hood, the memoirs of Golden Age crime fighter Nite Owl, telling his own history and that of the original hero team The Minutemen. Picture this concept: while doing promotion for the book, Nite Owl appears on a newsmagazine show which profiles him, his career and his friends in The Minutemen. Just such a newsmagazine show is being filmed, and it's being done in period early 60s style, reflecting the release date of the book in the Watchmen universe. Apparently this will be a full hour long. I don't know what the plans for this are - I have to imagine it will be on the DVD release, which is rumored to be a mega-packed set. This would actually make more sense as a day and date DVD release to promote the movie, as far as I'm concerned, but it would probably also give away too many story points to the uninitiated, as the secret history of The Minutemen has a major impact on the characters in the main story.

Again, I couldn't get either of these stories confirmed or denied by Warner Bros, and the animated Black Freighter is something that's not a done deal at the moment and could still change, but my source is a damn good one.

*No relation to Watchmen Babies in V For Vacation

[Weapon X]

*No relation to Watchmen Babies in V For Vacation

Imagine my surprise to find that was the real Alan Moore lending his voice in that scene.

(For those of you who've no idea what we're talking about, all your answers lie here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeVOAOIYt6Y))

[JJFlamingo]

and the plot thickens...:D

[vesaker]

What the Freighter released separately?? i dunno about that, when i read Watchmen i usually don't even read those parts but they are usually signigant to whats being talked about/going on at the same time as its being presented in the book so releasing it separately would be a mistake imo. If anything it would be cool to just get a DvD with the theatrical version and a Directors cut that has the Freighter properly intercutting with the story.

[OpT!Mu5]

I laughed my ass off when I saw Milhouse try to get his "V for Vacation" DVD signed by Alan Moore...That was just hilarious. And I like how they're all surfing on a tidal wave. :D

I don't watch the Simpsons anymore but I was just flipping through the channels when that part came on....

Weapon X, your youtube link got taken down, so if anybody still hasn't seen that try it here (http://www.critical-hits.com/2007/11/20/bonus-youtube-watchmen-babies-v-for-vacation/).

[outsyder]

Fox took it down. Can you explain?

[OpT!Mu5]

Click the list in my previous post. The link works.

[vesaker]

I laughed my ass off when I saw Milhouse try to get his "V for Vacation" DVD signed by Alan Moore...That was just hilarious. And I like how they're all surfing on a tidal wave. :D

I don't watch the Simpsons anymore but I was just flipping through the channels when that part came on....

Weapon X, your youtube link got taken down, so if anybody still hasn't seen that try it here (http://www.critical-hits.com/2007/11/20/bonus-youtube-watchmen-babies-v-for-vacation/).

that was hilarious. "hey Tea Cup, why don't you chill out?" priceless :D

[outsyder]

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1290/watchmenbabiesap6.gif

[LunchBox]

I have to say that two or three short(er) movies would probably be the only way to do this piece justice. There is so much content that even a 3 and a half hour film probably could not cover it.

But then again, maybe the tension that builds up in the graphic novel would be lost if it was split into more than one film.

[vesaker]

I have to say that two or three short(er) movies would probably be the only way to do this piece justice. There is so much content that even a 3 and a half hour film probably could not cover it.

But then again, maybe the tension that builds up in the graphic novel would be lost if it was split into more than one film.

don't forget that there was quite a bit of wlking around by characters and stuf flike that which can be done quickly in film where it takes several panels to get across but your probably right that they may not beable to cover it all, even with taking out the black freighter

[LunchBox]

Yeah true, i also wish they would find a way of working the black freighter story into the films as opposed to a dvd extra or separate feature.