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Bourne101
11-05-2008, 09:02 PM
Here is the trailer for Che:

http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=22316

Looks fucking stunning!

Cop No. 633
11-05-2008, 09:12 PM
Good find, Bourne. That was a solid trailer. My girlfriend will most likely want to see this on opening day.

Powerslave
11-05-2008, 09:24 PM
Looks great. Can't wait to see it. I wish they were releasing it as one movie instead of two, but whatever.

blankpage
11-05-2008, 09:26 PM
Easily my most anticipated release at the moment. I've studied the life of Che, and have read lots of his stuff, and am just all-around fascinated with the man, his life, and his beliefs. I'm all kinds of excited for this one.

Lazy Boy
11-05-2008, 10:34 PM
Excellent movie, but for those wanting to see it in it's full incarnation, you'll be feeling it after. It's been four days, and I still haven't shaken those 4 1/2 hours.

I'm sorta expecting this to get lost in the shuffle, but it's still an important piece of cinema nonetheless.

lukeisevil
11-05-2008, 10:49 PM
Excellent movie, but for those wanting to see it in it's full incarnation, you'll be feeling it after. It's been four days, and I still haven't shaken those 4 1/2 hours.

I'm sorta expecting this to get lost in the shuffle, but it's still an important piece of cinema nonetheless.

Wow, and I thought watching Traffic was a marathon.

anakinsrise
11-06-2008, 04:44 AM
Looks great but 4 1/2 hours? ouch

JCPhoenix
11-06-2008, 11:27 AM
That trailer piques my interest but I'm cautious cause both my roommates absolutely hated it at the film festival - or rather, they were somewhat optimistic and reserved their opinion after the first part and they mentioned there was a Battle of Algiers-ish battle scene that was really well done, but when they saw the second part, they said it made the first part look worse (they saw it over two nights at the gala screening). The only movie they both liked less at the fest (and one of my roommates saw 30 movies) was Gigantic.

They've also been consistently ripping on the film nonstop for the last two months or so (partially cause another friend who went to see it thought it was okay) so it's been kind of hard to get my anticipation up after all that :P.

Nonetheless, The Motorcycle Diaries is one of my favorite films and I recall reading a review of Che from Cannes where it mentioned that Soderbergh admired the Salles film and said something along the lines of the three being taken together as a trilogy.

I'm curious to hear more of your thoughts on the film Lazy Boy...

ilovemovies
11-06-2008, 11:37 AM
Isn't this movie being released as two seperate films? That would make the movie easier to take since 4 and a half hours is a bit too long IMO.

And it does indeed look excellent.

Lazy Boy
11-06-2008, 11:55 AM
Isn't this movie being released as two seperate films? That would make the movie easier to take since 4 and a half hours is a bit too long IMO.

They're gonna have an exclusive showing of the four hour cut in December at the Landmark in L.A., as far as I know. Starting next year, they're gonna release both installments, "The Argentine" and "Guerrilla" as two separate features, although I'm sure Soderbergh would have to tack on something to the end of the first half to make it more feasible as a lead-in to the second.

I'm curious to hear more of your thoughts on the film Lazy Boy...

I wrote a brief synopsis of thoughts on the AFI film fest thread on the General Discussion board, but I'll repost it:

Che - 9/10

Scott Foundas called this, either best or worst, "the film of the year." It's an epic, truly, in terms of the running time -- it meanders a bit during the second half, the "Guerrilla" section, whereas it's first half, "The Argentine" is as great a portrait of a rise juxtaposed to a great (but noble) fall. I was literally spellbound by the point where Che (del Toro, appearing one note in superficial terms but subtly extraordinary) gives his address to the United Nations, calling on the hypocrisy of American imperialism being shunted around from nation to nation while an uprising for a radical left wing cause is seen as a threat. The film isn't perfect; in addition to the meandering, the shift from the first to the second half, or at least before the intermission gap, comes after a humorous but gruff scene involving Che and a stolen car. The transitional jump into the second half is jarring. On the positive side, Soderbergh is another director whose indie aesthetic does not forbid him from shooting some viscerally thrilling action sequences, unlike some directors of similar unique storytelling ability (ahem, Mr. Nolan). My point would be remiss just to simply call this a document filled with action scenes. It's excellent filmmaking.

Adding some thoughts to the initial review: Damien Bichir is excellent in a supporting role as Fidel Castro. He delivers some of Castro's noted televised speeches, and his delivery up at the podium is uncanny (hand gestures, finger wagging, vocal delivery, everything). Probably nobody else other than him and Del Toro stands out, with some frankly distracting cameos by two Hollywood celebs, and a waste of Franka Potente (I had to research her character online to try and find out her full potential that was lost in the film). If one were to look for a rounded, three dimensional portrait of Che, this probably won't be anymore than the usual deifying portrait. They could've focused on his less than admirable moments in history, but the worst he's portrayed is getting overly harsh with his comrades. Probably the most disturbing thing he does involves a horse (not what you're thinking of!) and caused the crowd to groan out loud in shock.

The first two hours fly by so fast -- due to a surprising amount of humor that was welcome without being pandering -- that the second drags a little as a result -- almost like a Malick film, Che becomes so attuned to nature and his surroundings. The case could be made for the two to remain separate halves, but the entire whole is greater than the sum of its parts. You'll either be like me, stunned, or put off.

JCPhoenix
11-07-2008, 05:14 PM
Interesting viewpoint Lazy Boy, thanks for the update. One of the main criticisms that my roommates leveled at the film was its lack of an attempt at situating the average viewer into the film (i.e. my roommate said they had no idea why Che was where he was at the end of the film) so I'm just wondering if this works better if you know Che's life story before you walk in...

Oh and what did you think of del Toro himself as Che?

Lazy Boy
11-08-2008, 02:04 PM
Yeah, you'd definitely have to know some of the key points in Che's life that led him to where the story and film starts.

Words can't describe how effortlessly good del Toro is in the movie. There's always talk about that next young so-and-so who might become the "next Brando," but in this case, I don't know what you would call it, Method, minimalist, whatever approach he's taking, it's masterfully subtle without calling attention to itself. That's why I don't know how you could choose an "Oscar" clip from here, save the U.N. scene, because he underplays everything. Makes me want to rent Things We Lost in the Fire, everyone I know says how into the role -- internal over external -- he was and how overlooked it was in general.

sightless
11-08-2008, 02:54 PM
since when it is appropriate to describe the life story of people as such as CHE as "incredible". From this trailer, this movie seems to be all wrong.

Bourne101
11-08-2008, 03:03 PM
Che is an immensely interesting historical figure, and many people all over the world think his story is incredible, including myself.

Cosimo
11-08-2008, 05:58 PM
i passed on working at the london film fest and therefore passed on seeing che

so instead i'll catch it when it becomes a torrent so i don't have to sit in the cinema for that amount of time

oh and i prefered the spanish trailer

Bourne101
11-10-2008, 03:23 PM
http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/30578.jpg

Glad to see that they are releasing it in two parts so we can see the full thing, and that they are being released so close together. Part I will be released on January 1st, while Part II will be released on February 20th.

ilovemovies
11-10-2008, 11:21 PM
Makes me want to rent Things We Lost in the Fire, everyone I know says how into the role -- internal over external -- he was and how overlooked it was in general.


Del Torro was amazing in Things We Lost in the Fire, one of 2007's best and most underrated. He should have gotten an oscar nomination. Especially over Johnny Depp's overrated performance in Sweeney Todd!

Bourne101
12-03-2008, 03:25 PM
Here is a new trailer to glorious Quicktime HD!

http://movies.yahoo.com/premieres/10924839/standardformat/

Commodore
12-03-2008, 08:19 PM
I'm skeptical, Hollywood for whatever reason tends to idolize Che as some kind of leftist revolutionary, man of the people, when in fact he was nothing more than a thug gangster, who helped bring the Castro regime to power. Seeing ignorant people wearing his likeness on t-shirts is pretty sad.

Check out The Lost City, a film about Cuba by someone who had to flee the country as a child, Andy Garcia. He has spoken in interviews about the brutality of Che and how Hollywood has glamorized him.

That being said, I haven't seen the film, maybe it will be more fair, but I doubt it.

Bourne101
12-03-2008, 08:24 PM
I'm skeptical, Hollywood for whatever reason tends to idolize Che as some kind of leftist revolutionary, man of the people, when in fact he was nothing more than a thug gangster, who helped bring the Castro regime to power. Seeing ignorant people wearing his likeness on t-shirts is pretty sad.

This is all a matter of opinion. People have different views than you, simple as that.

Moviefan1234
12-04-2008, 01:56 PM
That trailer was amazing. Che is one of the most fascinating characters in history.

ilovemovies
12-04-2008, 02:00 PM
Movie looks great. Definitely will be anticipating this one.

CuatroDiablos
12-06-2008, 12:44 AM
I'm skeptical, Hollywood for whatever reason tends to idolize Che as some kind of leftist revolutionary, man of the people, when in fact he was nothing more than a thug gangster, who helped bring the Castro regime to power. Seeing ignorant people wearing his likeness on t-shirts is pretty sad.

Check out The Lost City, a film about Cuba by someone who had to flee the country as a child, Andy Garcia. He has spoken in interviews about the brutality of Che and how Hollywood has glamorized him.

That being said, I haven't seen the film, maybe it will be more fair, but I doubt it.


How can you Take Andy Garcia's opinion as fact , a person who flees it's country instead of fighting an oppression should never be taken seriously.