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someguy
01-05-2009, 11:13 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/you-are-being-lied-to-abo_b_155147.html

Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy - backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China - is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labeling as "one of the great menace of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell -- and some justice on their side.

Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the "golden age of piracy" - from 1650 to 1730 - the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage thief that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda-heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often rescued from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains of All nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence to find out. If you became a merchant or navy sailor then - plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry - you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off for a second, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked consistently, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages.

Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied against their tyrannical captains - and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls "one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century." They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed "quite clearly - and subversively - that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal navy." This is why they were popular, despite being unproductive thieves.

The words of one pirate from that lost age - a young British man called William Scott - should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirating to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish-stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea-life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia's unprotected seas. The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the men we are calling "pirates" have emerged. Everyone agrees they were ordinary Somalian fishermen who at first took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least wage a 'tax' on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia - and it's not hard to see why. In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was "to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters... We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas." William Scott would understand those words.

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters - especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But the "pirates" have the overwhelming support of the local population for a reason. The independent Somalian news-site WardherNews conducted the best research we have into what ordinary Somalis are thinking - and it found 70 percent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence of the country's territorial waters." During the revolutionary war in America, George Washington and America's founding fathers paid pirates to protect America's territorial waters, because they had no navy or coastguard of their own. Most Americans supported them. Is this so different?

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our nuclear waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We didn't act on those crimes - but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 percent of the world's oil supply, we begin to shriek about "evil." If we really want to deal with piracy, we need to stop its root cause - our crimes - before we send in the gun-boats to root out Somalia's criminals.

The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarised by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know "what he meant by keeping possession of the sea." The pirate smiled, and responded: "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor." Once again, our great imperial fleets sail in today - but who is the robber?

Homyrrh
01-06-2009, 12:05 AM
I'm sure we're also being lied to about terrorists and pedophiles as well...

QUENTIN
01-06-2009, 01:37 AM
I'm sure we're also being lied to about terrorists and pedophiles as well...

Well, actually, yeah...

I was gonna say, this misleading label of "pirate" is a lot like the misleading label "terrorist" we apply.

It's another way of saying a citizen soldier who happens to be from a place that's poor and impoverished and powerless instead of rich and well-armed and powerful.

Otherwise it's mostly distinction without difference.

The Postmaster General
01-06-2009, 01:55 AM
They aren't talking about the same people who take cruise ships hostage are they?

Off topic, somewhat, but it's funny that probably the best representation of modern pirates has been in Wes Anderson's The Life Aquatic.

QUENTIN
01-06-2009, 01:57 AM
They aren't talking about the same people who take cruise ships hostage are they?

Off topic, somewhat, but it's funny that probably the best representation of modern pirates has been in Wes Anderson's The Life Aquatic.

Haha, very true. That's what I first pictures when the stories of pirates began popping up in the news. If only every ship had a Steve Zissou...

Criminal Rock
01-07-2009, 05:16 AM
I'm sure we're also being lied to about terrorists and pedophiles as well...

Perhaps not lied to, but completely biased against, and at times, completely misinformed as well...

Badbird
01-07-2009, 02:02 PM
Perhaps not lied to, but completely biased against, and at times, completely misinformed as well...

Agreed. Apparently in the media/church/government, "Sex Offender" = "Pedophile."


OMG, protect the children!

Homyrrh
01-07-2009, 09:08 PM
Perhaps not lied to, but completely biased against, and at times, completely misinformed as well...
I guess I just read "pedophile" and figure said individual is not of ideal character...much like terrorists...or pirates...or really anyone who fraternizes with them...regardless of why or how come.

shoe1985
01-07-2009, 09:47 PM
Does anyone actually believe they are told 100% of the truth by the government? Do we fear pirates? We have a military that could take them out with no problem. We have have missles we can shoot from the dirt on this country to take them out.

Do we really know the truth about pirates and their history? I doubt it, and we will really never know. We all seem to think we are the heroes and others are villains, but is this really true? We will never know.

Homyrrh
01-07-2009, 11:10 PM
Does anyone actually believe they are told 100% of the truth by the government? Do we fear pirates? We have a military that could take them out with no problem. We have have missles we can shoot from the dirt on this country to take them out.

Do we really know the truth about pirates and their history? I doubt it, and we will really never know. We all seem to think we are the heroes and others are villains, but is this really true? We will never know.
I understand the point of thread. I just cannot fathom rational or coherent individuals empathizing with pirates. If someone steals a ship and then demands ransom for its return, using human life as their hostage, that is entirely unjustifiable. Completely. Utterly. Undoubtedly. 100%. There is no other morality or judgement on this: high thievery, sabotage, and/or intentionally jeopardizing human life is wrong, as is defending it.

I had thought the ecoterrorism on Whale Wars was the extent of unfounded political pointlessness and ridiculousness, but defending pirates is beyond any realm of my comprehension.

Criminal Rock
01-08-2009, 12:41 AM
Assume much, Homyrrh?

No one here suggested that pirates are misunderstood people, and that we should sympathize with them. Rather, in this case specifically, a large group of Somalians are wrongfully labeled as "pirates"... who's goal is to protect the overall interest of their community despite what we have been hearing and reading in the news.

So no, to correct you... we are not empathizing with pirates or pedo's... that's pretty fucking ridiculous to assume that was said by anyone here. We simply have our doubts over whether or not ALL Somalian Pirates are correctly and justifiably labeled as such.

Homyrrh
01-08-2009, 01:36 AM
Assume much, Homyrrh?

No one here suggested that pirates are misunderstood people, and that we should sympathize with them. Rather, in this case specifically, a large group of Somalians are wrongfully labeled as "pirates"... who's goal is to protect the overall interest of their community despite what we have been hearing and reading in the news.

So no, to correct you... we are not empathizing with pirates or pedo's... that's pretty fucking ridiculous to assume that was said by anyone here. We simply have our doubts over whether or not ALL Somalian Pirates are correctly and justifiably labeled as such.
The point is still being missed; hhy any given individual would hijack/pirate a seafaring vessel is irrelevant, however just one may consider their cause. As I had briefly illustrated a post ago, all that matters is that these Somalian men illegally boarded a ship with the intent of taking hostages and demanding money. I have to ask where to find the justice in this. I cannot see where Somalians who participate in the aforementioned high crimes are "wrongfully labeled". When a man hostilely invades a merchant ship (there's a common theme here) with the intent of returning it only upon ransom paid, I do not assume he is a pirate. I know he is a pirate.

These deplorable acts recur because they are tolerated and entertained. When the first Somalian pirates take the first merchant vessel, get the millions in ransom they demand from the multinational freight company in the interest of preserving the hundreds of millions in cargo and ship value, obviously there will be an enormous wake of "copycats". This is how bullying works from second grade to international conflict.

And I would also hope their is an inherent obviousness to be found in justifying why the USA would never use "missles we can shoot from the dirt on this country to take them out".

Preston_79
01-11-2009, 01:32 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479168,00.html


That's karma for you.

Homyrrh
01-11-2009, 01:58 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479168,00.html


That's karma for you.
Haha, so deserved...haha.

Otherwise, that article REALLY illustrates parts of my point...these shipping companies are entertaining pirates (come on now...the article even quotes the "pirate spokesperson") and that, combined with a "lawless coastline", are more than enough to incubate piratehood.

Criminal Rock
01-11-2009, 06:39 PM
The point is most certainly not being missed, Homyrrh. Well, not by me in any case. Ever since Somalia's government dispersed and the citizens of the country were left to their own end, European ships have dumped tons upon tons upon tons of nuclear, industrial, and medical waste off their shores, which are to blame for many deaths and severe radiation over the last 15+ years. At the same time, fishing trawlers illegally embarked on tours within the boundaries of Somalian waters, and as it mentions in the article posted above, they catch close to $300 million dollars worth of seafood illegally each year... that's $300 million stolen from the Somalians (that's if the numbers are accurate, and I assume it’s pretty close). I find it a hypocrisy such vast amounts of money can be stolen from them every year and so much waste dumped in their waters, and no one says a thing. But as soon as they retaliate and storm a merchant vessel demanding ransom, all of the sudden they're the bad guys and they deserve justice. You don't see the double standard here?

Originally, the "pirates" you so generically speak of were mostly fisherman who went out to stop those accountable for the nuclear dumping, and also those accountable for stealing and depriving them of their livelihood. Since there is no military or government body to protect their waters, and since the international community didn't do enough, if not anything at all to stop it, the Somalian people had no other choice but to take up arms. So no, people boarding ships "illegally" is not "all that matters" unless you're the type to take one side over the other before truly understanding the situation. That said, putting the situation into context would make boarding a fishing ship, who’s intentions are to steal your livelihood, seem less important than the deaths and poisoning of innocent men, woman, and children which have occurred over the last 15+ years... and of course the $300 million in seafood stolen each year by said fishing vessels. In particular, these Somalians find justice in knowing they can scare off ships from criminally entering their waters and stealing what rightfully belongs to them.

Don't get me wrong, though. The situation has snowballed into something a bit more problematical, and I agree in the sense that those who go out of their way to hijack, for example, an oil tanker off the coast of Kenya, and then go on to say, "we do this because people illegally fish in our waters in Somalia" are not in the right and have exploited their plight as Somalians. And I recognize this happens more often than what I am referring to. Nonetheless, to suggest or imply that all Somalians who patrol their waters are pirates is a sweeping generalization, and is false. Which has been my point all along. There are still those who only mean to stop illegal dumping/fishing within their borders, and those people are not pirates. They are wrongfully labeled by you, by the media, by anyone who calls them so.

(sorry for the late response, been working 14 hour days the last week or so.)