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Homyrrh
02-04-2009, 12:20 PM
(from The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/us/politics/05pay.html?_r=1&hp))

February 5, 2009
Obama Calls for ‘Common Sense’ on Executive Pay
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS and VIKAS BAJAJ

WASHINGTON — President Obama on Wednesday announced a salary cap of $500,000 for top executives at companies that receive large amounts of bailout money, calling the step an expression not only of fairness but of “basic common sense.”

“We all need to take responsibility,” the president said as he prompted Congress once again to act on his economic stimulus program and repeated his accusations that some Wall Street executives had shown “the height of irresponsibility” when millions of non-wealthy Americans were bearing the burden of Wall Street’s failures.

The people are sick and tired, Mr. Obama said, of seeing Wall Street executives come to the government “hat in hand when they were in trouble, even as they paid themselves customary lavish bonuses.”

“This is America, and we don’t begrudge wealth,” the president said. But Americans definitely begrudge “executives being rewarded for failure,” especially if their earning are subsidized by taxpayers, he said.

Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, appearing with the president, said there is a general feeling among not-so-rich Americans that they are bearing a greater burden because of the financial crisis than those who helped to create it. Mr. Geithner said he would devote “every ounce of energy” to restore public trust in financial institutions — the bedrock of the country’s credit system.

The president used the White House announcement to call for quick action on his stimulus plan, whose cost could approach $1 trillion, depending on the final version that emerges after Senate and House conclude their negotiations.

“A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into catastrophe and guarantee a longer recession, a less robust recovery and a more uncertain future,” the president said.

Executives of companies getting bailout money will also be prohibited from receiving any bonuses above their base pay, except for normal stock dividends.

The new rules would be far tougher than any restrictions imposed during the Bush administration, and they could force executives to accept deep reductions in pay. They come amid rising public fury about huge pay packages for executives at financial companies being propped up by federal tax dollars.

Executives at companies that have already received money from the Treasury Department would not have to make any changes. But analysts and administration officials are bracing for a huge wave of new losses, largely because of the deepening recession, and many companies that have already received federal money may well be coming back.

Under the Treasury’s $700 billion rescue program, most companies that have received money so far have been considered “healthy” rather than on the brink of collapse.

But five of the biggest companies to get help — Citigroup, Bank of America and the American International Group, General Motors and Chrysler — were all facing acute problems. And top executives at those companies made far more than $500,000 in recent years.

Kenneth D. Lewis, the chief executive of Bank of America, took home more than $20 million in 2007. Of that, $5.75 million was in salary and bonuses.

Vikram Pandit, who became chief executive of Citigroup in December of 2007 and previously held other senior positions at the bank, made $3.1 million.

Richard Wagoner, the chief executive of General Motors, made $14.4 million, much of it in stock, options and other non-cash benefits. He earned a $1.6 million salary.

“That is pretty draconian — $500,000 is not a lot of money, particularly if there is no bonus,” said James F. Reda, founder and managing director of James F. Reda & Associates, a compensation consulting firm. “And you know these companies that are in trouble are not going to pay much of an annual dividend.”

Mr. Reda said only a handful of big companies pay chief executives and other senior executives $500,000 or less in total compensation. He said such limits will make it hard for the companies to recruit and keep executives, most of whom could earn more money at other firms.

“It would be really tough to get people to staff” companies that are forced to impose these limits, he said. “I don’t think this will work.”

President Obama last week branded Wall Street bankers “shameful” for giving themselves nearly $20 billion in bonuses as the economy was deteriorating and the government was spending billions to bail out some of the nation’s most prominent financial institutions.

“If the taxpayers are helping you, then you have certain responsibilities to not be living high on the hog,” Mr. Obama said Tuesday, in an interview with “NBC Nightly News.”

Mr. Obama’s rules are coming just as he is expected to ask for additional sums of money, beyond the $700 billion already authorized, to prop up the financial system, even as he pushes Congress to move quickly on a separate economic stimulus package that could cost taxpayers as much as $900 billion.

Last week, Senator Claire McCaskill, Democrat of Missouri, proposed a $400,000 salary limit.

Senator McCaskill, reacting to reports of extravagant perks and bonuses at companies like Merrill Lynch and Citigroup, had blasted Wall Street executives as “a bunch of idiots” who were “kicking sand in the face of the American taxpayer.”

The banks that have received bailout funds already are subject to limits on compensation , but the Bush administration intentionally left them lax. The top five executives at banks that get an equity infusion from the government are restricted from offering golden parachutes, as rich severance packages are called, and any compensation above $500,000 is not tax deductible to the company.

Companies that received emergency money, like Citigroup, faced somewhat tougher restrictions, including a requirement to reduce the bonus pool for the top 50 executives by 40 percent. But even those restrictions come nowhere near the $500,000 cap.

In a letter to Congress last month, Lawrence H. Summers, director of Mr. Obama’s National Economic Council, suggested that the new pay restrictions would apply to all companies that get Federal help.

Without mentioning a particular dollar limit, Mr. Summers wrote that “executive compensation above a specified threshold amount be paid in restricted stock or similar form that cannot be liquidated or sold until the government has been repaid.”



The set figure seems practical and fair; the unfortunate issue is that any company ridding themselves of their present C-level executives will be hard-pressed to find anyone willing to take a position like this with a $500,000 cap and hardly any benefits.

Pentangeli
02-04-2009, 12:47 PM
“That is pretty draconian — $500,000 is not a lot of money, particularly if there is no bonus,”

How the other half live, eh. Different Worlds.

shoe1985
02-04-2009, 12:57 PM
In tough times, to you cut back and make sacrifices. These executives need to understand that this is taxpayers' money, and not just money to buy another home, when many Americans are struggling to keep theirs.

As for the $500,000 not being enough to attract a top level executive, I disagree. Many people would be willing to work for this and try to turn their companies around. In fact, this may be what many of these companies need. The current executives don't really seem to care if their companies fail or succeed, and it shows when they are giving themselves bonuses that was supposed to be used for the business.

Preston_79
02-04-2009, 01:06 PM
It's about fucking time. Well done Obama.

QUENTIN
02-04-2009, 02:23 PM
$500,000 strikes me as way too high to be paying existing fuck-up execs with our money. If you ask me, they should be working for free until they've repaid their debt to the millions of American people they swindled, only problem is that would take about 1,000 years. Anyone who would leave because they're not being paid enough to fix the economy they broke is only in it for personal perks, doesn't care about the greater impact their business decisions will have on the economy, and we don't want them on the job anyway.

And though I'm a pacifist, I'd like to punch this guy:

“That is pretty draconian — $500,000 is not a lot of money, particularly if there is no bonus,”

square in the face.

Homyrrh
02-04-2009, 03:39 PM
In tough times, to you cut back and make sacrifices. These executives need to understand that this is taxpayers' money, and not just money to buy another home, when many Americans are struggling to keep theirs.

As for the $500,000 not being enough to attract a top level executive, I disagree. Many people would be willing to work for this and try to turn their companies around. In fact, this may be what many of these companies need. The current executives don't really seem to care if their companies fail or succeed, and it shows when they are giving themselves bonuses that was supposed to be used for the business.
Yeah, and that's actually something to which I can agree; this is one of the coreforces of capitalism, that business is driven by the fundamental desire of the individual to succeed.

Quentin, as much as $500,000 seems, assigning a value to the Jack Welches and Steve Jobs' of the business world is undoubtedly much higher. The CEO is the crown of the business, the man who not only makes the decisions that swing a company's fortunes by billions. In the frame of the company's gains, $500,000 isn't as much as it may seem.

However...Steve Jobs and Jack Welch are irrelevant relative to the state of the economy at present, and when I hear that Wells Fargo's executive board is having a "function" in Vegas next month, I throw four-letter words at the TV.

The gentleman who made the "draconian" comment is a consultant, not a CEO making millions. I think he meant what I said earlier about enticing new CEOs to take over form the former, incompetent chief executives.

QUENTIN
02-06-2009, 11:59 AM
Quentin, as much as $500,000 seems, assigning a value to the Jack Welches and Steve Jobs' of the business world is undoubtedly much higher. The CEO is the crown of the business, the man who not only makes the decisions that swing a company's fortunes by billions. In the frame of the company's gains, $500,000 isn't as much as it may seem.

However...Steve Jobs and Jack Welch are irrelevant relative to the state of the economy at present, and when I hear that Wells Fargo's executive board is having a "function" in Vegas next month, I throw four-letter words at the TV.

The gentleman who made the "draconian" comment is a consultant, not a CEO making millions. I think he meant what I said earlier about enticing new CEOs to take over form the former, incompetent chief executives.

No, it isn't undoubtedly much higher. I don't think it is higher. NO ONE is worth more than $500,000. It doesn't matter how much money a good decision or new practice makes, the individual who made that decision doesn't need millions of dollars for making it. $500,000 is more than enough to buy anything they could need and goes well with the satisfaction of doing a good job.

The ridiculous payment inflation on executives, entertainers, and the like is a sickness that only gets worse when it's senselessly justified like this. Millionaires are not a good thing. Success and money have little to do with each other. It is not only wholly unnecessary to be paying these ass clowns so much, but when many preventably starve to death and go without basic necessities, it is entirely immoral.

Homyrrh
02-06-2009, 02:24 PM
No, it isn't undoubtedly much higher. I don't think it is higher. NO ONE is worth more than $500,000. It doesn't matter how much money a good decision or new practice makes, the individual who made that decision doesn't need millions of dollars for making it. $500,000 is more than enough to buy anything they could need and goes well with the satisfaction of doing a good job.

The ridiculous payment inflation on executives, entertainers, and the like is a sickness that only gets worse when it's senselessly justified like this. Millionaires are not a good thing. Success and money have little to do with each other. It is not only wholly unnecessary to be paying these ass clowns so much, but when many preventably starve to death and go without basic necessities, it is entirely immoral.
Hey, it's just supply and demand. That's why athletes are paid so much: there's such a select pool of physically superior individuals willing and able to play in the NFL/NBA/MLB, etc. that these players can demand so many dollars for doing so. And fans will pay franchises to watch them.

shoe1985
02-06-2009, 04:15 PM
Hey, it's just supply and demand. That's why athletes are paid so much: there's such a select pool of physically superior individuals willing and able to play in the NFL/NBA/MLB, etc. that these players can demand so many dollars for doing so. And fans will pay franchises to watch them.

Which is why I don't mind athletes receiving so much money. Do I think baseball players deserve $10 million a year? Nope, but owners are willing to pay them that much. People are willing to pay to see them, also.

I have no issue of anyone making a lot of money, but these people are receiving taxpayers' money, they should be capped. Once things are back under control, the money is paid back, the cap comes off.

Money is the root of all evil. This is the truest statement ever. If you look at the comments made by many people today, they are angry that their CEO is driving around in $200,000 cars, and they struggle to keep their 10 year old car running. They see the million dollar mansion of their CEO, yet, they struggle to afford a small home for themselves and their family. Is it fair? Is this what capitalism is all about? I have read were people say those CEOs work harder, and call the lower workers lazy. There are many class issues, and they will never be solved.

Homyrrh
02-06-2009, 05:12 PM
Which is why I don't mind athletes receiving so much money. Do I think baseball players deserve $10 million a year? Nope, but owners are willing to pay them that much. People are willing to pay to see them, also.

I have no issue of anyone making a lot of money, but these people are receiving taxpayers' money, they should be capped. Once things are back under control, the money is paid back, the cap comes off.

Money is the root of all evil. This is the truest statement ever. If you look at the comments made by many people today, they are angry that their CEO is driving around in $200,000 cars, and they struggle to keep their 10 year old car running. They see the million dollar mansion of their CEO, yet, they struggle to afford a small home for themselves and their family. Is it fair? Is this what capitalism is all about? I have read were people say those CEOs work harder, and call the lower workers lazy. There are many class issues, and they will never be solved.
This I understand. Everyone agrees that CEOs deserve $0 worth of bonuses and raises and benefits from taxpayers' bailout money. My point was more fundamental, that there is an infinitesimal number of individuals able to competently (let alone with distinction) perform the duties of a Fortune 500 chief executive and they are paid accordingly or else they are fired. ExxonMobil should not be dropping $400 million severance packages (ahem), but ExxonMobil would not be posting a record $45+ billion in annual profit without certain leaders.

Under the functioning capitalist system, what isn't subjective about what these executives should/shouldn't be driving? Indeed, the CEO is often a harder, smarter worker than his low-level counterpart (after all, Jack Welch wasn't just picked off of a tree!), and deserves compensation as such.

For the capitalist's responsibility to the people, I recommend reading about Bill Gates' recent campaign for "creative capitalism", especially an article in TIME Magazine areound last summer. The first financial responsibility of any public corporation is to its shareholders, but morally and socially, its debt lies elsewhere.

Besides, as the Apostle Matthew reminds us, "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God". (Mt. 19:24, NIV) :D;)

The Postmaster General
02-07-2009, 03:43 AM
Hey, it's just supply and demand. That's why athletes are paid so much: there's such a select pool of physically superior individuals willing and able to play in the NFL/NBA/MLB, etc. that these players can demand so many dollars for doing so. And fans will pay franchises to watch them.


Yeah, but it's no less annoying when athletes complain of pay cuts.