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Duke Nukem

02-18-2009, 08:48 PM

I recently wrote my own sequels - and closure - to the "Halloween" movies. Last summer, I did "Halloween: The Blood of Michael Myers." And almost immediately after, I nose-dived myself into "Halloween 7: The Peace of Michael Myers." Each one provided a dignified ending to each of the two broken storylines.

Admittedly, as I was finishing "Blood," my mind ran into overdrive over a fun "what if?". What if - despite the BLOOD I promised in the title - I did one more? What if we haven't seen the final outcome of Michael's terror? I was primarily interested in doing it, because of how much I enjoyed writing for the small town characters. To continue writing for the town of Haddonfield and the scary climate they live in would have been a treat.

It was a fun "what if?," but that's all it was. There aren't enough concrete ideas to do it. I ultimately have nothing but poor excuses to support doing it. Michael's "Blood" is the end of that story. Anything else will potentially tarnish it - and most likely fail to top or equal it. I don't want to settle for less.

Since accomplishing "Peace" last November, my mind has ran into overdrive over that too. I promised something in the title of that one as well and I thought I delivered. I provided enough closure at the end, but the possiblity to take storyline full circle - and take it to its darkest level - intrigued me. There is more legitimate reason to try that than the other idea.

Ultimately, it's another "what if" that is more fun thinking about than writing. When I compare "Blood" and "Peace" together, "Peace" clearly topped "Blood" by being the first H-sequel to go on a larger scale. That isn't to say that "Peace" is better than "Blood." They're like children to me, each of them are special in their own way. However, I am running into the same problem as before. There aren't enough concrete ideas to top "Peace" or equal it.

Even if I could do it, part of me feels like it's too easy. It was challenging to continue where each of the broken storylines left off. At this point, there's only one other thing left to do...

...And that is to put both storylines back together again. That's what I originally wanted to do when I first became obsessed with this series. Until recently, I used to believe that it couldn't be done. Back then, I was younger and was less experienced with writing. Over time, I learned to expand my writing and settled for writing for the broken storylines.

Since maxing my brain for all the juicy ideas for "Blood" and "Peace," I've thought again about the story holes between the broken storylines. A lot of the minor ones - "They never found a body" ; riiiiigggghhhtt - I think can be explained simply. Which ever supporting character says something that seemingly contradicts the existence of the other storyline could be a Druid member involved in the cover up.

More importantly, there's the major story hole that has stopped every fan in their tracks. How it is that Jamie Lloyd does not acknowledge her brother John, and vice versa. And more specifically, how it is that Laurie Strode wound up having two children and keeping them apart from each other. I think I figured out how to make all that make sense. If it weren't for this discovery, I wouldn't be taking this idea seriously again.

So, this opens up doors. Doors to John Tate, Tommy Doyle, Kara Strode, Danny Strode, Stephen Lloyd. And even Lindsey Wallace if I wanted to. And if you're wondering about Dr. Loomis' fate in H6/H666 and H20, that isn't too hard to make sense of either.

I could say more, but I'm going to stop here, and prevent myself from writing an overlong post. I know I do that a lot. How do the rest of you feel about this idea? Would you want to see it?

MistAh BlistAh

02-18-2009, 09:12 PM

Sounds good, haven't read your other ones but I'll definetly check this out if you go through with it. If you find a way to bring all those characters together somehow, it will be good for sure. Got my support :D

I'm currently writing my own Halloween story, takes place after Laurie's death in Resurrection, but ignores the rest of resurrection, haha. It follows John, 10 years later still waiting for the day Michael returns so he can seek revenge, it's called 'Halloween: The Search for Michael Myers", prolly been done before, but this is my take on it at least. Won't be done for a lil' while though... :)

countchocula

02-18-2009, 09:46 PM

Have you ever considered writing a smaller script? Something original that you could actually film?

Duke Nukem

02-18-2009, 10:45 PM

Count,

What I know are the old franchises. I'm more at home writing for them than writing original characters and stories. For that matter, it's hard coming up with an original story. Every story has been done and re-done. I'm considering doing H9 (and not even close to writing it yet), because it's what I'm good at. I think I did a good job with my first two tries.

I'm not stealing yours and Ginger's thunder. I'm not pushing my story anytime soon. I'm just looking for any feedback, since this is something many H-fans have dreamed about. My thunder stopped once I posted the remainder of "Peace" last year. Two sequels in one year. That was a lot for me to do. Now, that thunder is yours and Ginger's to share for now. Good luck with your story.

I did "Blood/Peace," and also maybe H9, for the fans. And also because of the H-remake. I have no experience making movies. There's a small part of me that is angry that I can't do more with them, but that's life.

Mistah,

Good luck on your own "Halloween" story as well. Start it at any point. It's your story, you can do anything you want with it.

When I did "Blood," I chose to acknowledge everything that happened in "Halloween: Resurrection." That embarrasing reality show was the first time Michael showed his face again in Haddonfield in over twenty years, so it gives John all the reason to return to Haddonfield. As long as he stays away, more and more people will cross paths with his deranged uncle. The blood also rubs off on him.

Allowing John to meet Tommy and the others for the first time in this cross-over is actually easy and clever. The hard part is coming up with the right series of suspense scenes to take part on Halloween evening. I'm in the early stages of this. However, I do know how it will end. That is important. I know Point A through Point G. I just have to figure out how it all reaches Point Z.

Duke Nukem

02-18-2009, 10:54 PM

Double Post

countchocula

02-19-2009, 03:23 PM

But there is no "thunder." Maybe five people have read every word of my story, and maybe five people read the entirety of your scripts. At least with a novel/short story, you can publish it and drop it into the system. It goes on your resume. With fan scripts, they just collect dust. Think of how much time you've spent on these scripts. What is the end goal? If you're doing it purely for fun, it's understandable, but I'm curious as to what you think you're accomplishing by writing over 350 pages of material that will never be utilized for anything.

I don't mean to be rude. You're obviously talented, so why not challenge yourself and write something that you could sell or publish? Do something. If you can't create your own characters and storylines, you shouldn't be a creative writer.

Duke Nukem

02-19-2009, 05:12 PM

High School (and every grade really) sucked for me. Since then, I've been stuck in a crossroads and I am clueless as to what I am doing next with my life. I have found that writing fan stories is something I'm good at in order to cope with things.

As for writing original characters and stories, my ability to do that isn't completely moot. I have had to come up with supporting characters to make my stories full-length. I can't just rely on returning characters. My first priority has always been to flesh out the characters before anything possibly happens to them.

For original characters I'm introducing, I obviously have to work on them more. And I think I've done a good job of that. Once I get the hang of new characters, writing for them becomes as fun as it is to write for returning ones.

So, coming up with technically new material period isn't that much a weakness for me. It's figuring out that new original story that will blow everyone away. That's really challenging. You're a freelance writer. You must realize that there are practially no original ideas left to tell by now. With changing times and new technology, there will be unexplored ideas discovered and written about. But time moves slowly. We still haven't seen flying cars.

MisterTwister

02-19-2009, 05:22 PM

Duke keep rocking on with this script. I love checking out fan scripts and have written a few story treatments myself. Ignore the negetive people and keep going.

I remember writing something for a Halloween fan script awhile back but don't know what happened to it. Oh well.

g1ng3rsnap9ed

02-19-2009, 05:56 PM

Do it if you'd like, Duke. If you want to become a professional writer like Count, then you may like to try writing original fiction, if you like writing fan-fiction, do that. It's your choice, nobody elses.

By the way, I love what you've done with the plotlines. ;)

countchocula

02-19-2009, 05:56 PM

Sure, everything has been written, but with freelancing, you just write about what interests you. You put your own spin on things so that it reads fresh. By your logic, no one should ever write anything ever again. You need to find your own voice. If you like fishing, write articles about different aspects of fishing. If you like cooking, write articles about different aspects of cooking. There is an audience for everything. Movies can be written about in so many different ways. You could write 20 articles about the Halloween series and post them online somewhere. It wouldn't pay for your college tuition, but it's something.

Fiction-wise, the possibilities are endless. That's where creativity comes into play. If you think that writing is your only skill, than you should hone it. Write different things. I don't have to tell you that fan scripts won't exactly bring home the bacon. They won't even bring home bacon grease. Honestly, writing is a treacherous field, and I wouldn't recommend pursuing it as a career path. If this is just a hobby, that's one thing, but I get the impression that it's more than a hobby for you. I also get the impression that you have no earthly idea how you're going to become financially secure.

So why am I rambling on and on about this? Because you remind me of a younger Count Chocula, and if I can prevent a budding writer from pursuing fruitless endeavors, I'm going to do it. Life is a slut, and it devours artists. As struggling writers, we've got to figure out how to join the workforce without compromising our integrity. I'm not being negative; I'm being realistic. You don't have to take my advice, but I do know what I'm talking about. I've had several projects fall by the wayside.

Make of all of this what you will.

Duke Nukem

02-19-2009, 06:28 PM

Thanks, Twister. If you're referring to negative people in general, I'm used to tuning them out. Otherwise, Count is just being rational. He does have a valid point.

More on "Halloween 9: The Legacy of Michael Myers." And more specifically, the "9" part. I am not suddenly announcing my own H9 because of Ginger's ANOES 9. As much as parts of me were fueled up to make "Blood" and "Peace" come true, another part still kept "H1-2-4-5-6 + H20-Resurrection" alive. It's only now that I think that I can actually do it.

The first storyline ended with H6 (regardless of "3" having nothing to do with it). The seventh and eighth produced films, "H20" and "Resurrection," followed up on H1-2. As long as "Legacy" counts each and every one of them, there's no reason I shouldn't call "The Legacy of Michael Myers" what it is - the ninth "film" to be written and "produced." Yes, that does mean that I will writing it as I were "directing" it again. I want to bring the full experience to this - the experience we will never see in theaters.

Let's talk about the timeline and setting of H9. H20 took place in 1998, the beginning of "Resurrection" took place in 2001, and the remainder of it took place in 2002. The Druid cult is still part of the story, so Michael will strike when Thorn shows itself again in the stars. It's not going to appear every year. As far as we know, Thorn has appeared in 1963, 1978, 1988, 1989, 1995, 1998, 2001 and 2002.

Realistically, Thorn may have appeared at least a couple of times in between 1963 and 1978. That is a long gap. This would have been while Michael was imprisoned in Smith's Grove, and possibly deemed by the cult too young to continue his "destiny." They feel the time is right to release him in 1978.

Thorn may have also appeared once in between 1978 and 1988. That's another long gap. This time, Michael most likely would have been too weak to wake out of his coma. One could say that Thorn has been sticking it out in Michael's body longer than planned, primarily because of how Dr. Loomis committed his life and career to interfering with Michael's "destiny."

Anyway, I'm looking at 2005. Thorn shows istelf in the stars once again in another three years. And if it weren't for John, Tommy and co. somehow meeting up and undoubtedly deciding to return to Haddonfield, Michael wouldn't know how to find them. Because they're all in witness protection. And Stephen Lloyd mostly likely would be put into child care services.

I spoke about a lot about Thorn and the Druids in the last few paragraphs. I know how a lot of you feel about that subject. I did a number on all that in "Peace," and I don't plan on that in "Legacy." I will be keeping the cult in the shadows in this one. They learned their lesson in H6. Either version. Michael, or Thorn, wishes to work alone.

And for that matter, I am looking to follow up on the "The Producer's Cut" version of H6 rather than the theatrical cut. It is the stronger film. It had a bizarre ending that suggested Dr. Loomis become the new leader, but there is a way to work around that.

Because of Stephen Lloyd's involvement, we will see a little bit of action from the cult. I'm trying to make this a 50/50 split of what I did with "Blood" and "Peace." Part traditional and part dark. If possible, I'll to make this mostly traditional and a little bit dark if I can.

That's good for now. I'll talk about the supporting characters I possibly have lined up for this next time.

g1ng3rsnap9ed

02-19-2009, 06:55 PM

I have to admit that I absolutely love how many Horror Writers have been Posting their scripts/stories on Jo-Blo lately. I know that I'm obviously not the trend-starter, but I'm mucho proud to have contributed.

Duke Nukem

02-20-2009, 03:32 PM

Let's talk about the characters. I most definitely have John Tate, Tommy Doyle, Kara Strode, Danny Strode and Stephen Lloyd on board. Not the same for Dr. Wynn from H6. Before 2005, he would have finally passed on the role of Thorn's Guardian. After he already attempted to pass it on to Dr. Loomis at the end of H6. There is a way to work around that whole matter. There will be a new cult leader. And it will be irrelevent, as I will be focusing less on the cult and more on Haddonfield.

I am also interested in casting Lindsey Wallace - the other kid Laurie Strode babysat on the night Michael came home. I already featured her character grown up in "Blood." She was a symphatic character and "town freak" that was screwed up in a similar vein to Tommy Doyle in H6. I didn't have to do that to her character, when you consider that she seemed more level-headed than little Tommy Doyle was. Regardless, I thought it worked out wonderfully.

Of course, grown up Tommy Doyle had nothing to do with that storyline, so there was no reunion between them. There will be in H9. And this time, Lindsey will be level-headed and rational about things. It makes sense when you consider that nothing was made of Lindsey Wallace in H6. Something definitely was with Tommy. Contrasting over how each of them grew up differently, and most likely saw less of each other over time, will make things more interesting.

Now, "Blood" and "Peace" covered each of the broken storylines and exist in different dimensions. So will this. Therefore, I'm considering borrowing supporting characters from each of them. Because I enjoyed writing for them before.

If I end playing on the scary climate that the small town people of Haddonfield live in again, there is wonderful opportunity to feature Sheriff Lachlan and the deputies from "Blood," Drew Mackenzie and the other rednecks from "Blood," and even the deputies from "Peace." I have yet to figure out the overall story and action that takes place, so there's room for any of them.

Drew Mackenzie would be a likely suspect, because of his connection to the original. When Michael came after Laurie, she told Tommy and Lindsey to "go to the Mackenzie's and call for help." That made writing "Blood" a lot of fun, and to have a reunion between him, Lindsey and Tommy would be even more fun.

g1ng3rsnap9ed

02-20-2009, 04:04 PM

I love when fans piece together characters sprinkled throughout their favorite film series' and tie them all together. Love what I hear man!

Duke Nukem

02-20-2009, 06:37 PM

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g1ng3rsnap9ed

02-20-2009, 08:54 PM

Oh my God. You really are obsessed, as much so as Dr. Loomis is with Michael Myers. Just kidding man, keep up the great work! :)

MistAh BlistAh

02-20-2009, 09:42 PM

wow, you really are doing your homework, but I guess you gotta if you're gunna take on something like this.

Seems like you got a nice gameplan for this though, now you just gotta get to writing it.

Duke Nukem

02-20-2009, 10:47 PM

Thanks. There really are a lot of little screws in this engine of a series that have to be looked at if it's going to be taken as a whole again. It's like a puzzle.

g1ng3rsnap9ed

02-20-2009, 11:33 PM

Makes sense. btw: Have you actually started writing this, if not: how long until you think you'll be ready?

Duke Nukem

02-21-2009, 05:43 PM

I'm not close to writing this yet. I know all the set-up and how it ends. It's the overall story and action I have to figure out. If I really end up doing this, it will be a while before I finish and post here. Perhaps summer or Halloween of this year.

I do plan on starting it soon, and it's the opening sequence. I know how I'm handling that. It will start off from the point of view of the Druid cult, and we will get a little recap on every previous "Halloween" film. For the first time, we will see how all of them are connected. That's all I definitely have down for now. I'm not nose-diving myself into this. To do "Blood" and "Peace" back-to-back was amazing enough. I'm taking my time with this, and my first priority is to look carefully at all the story holes. Maybe I'll post the opening sequence once I'm done with that.

Duke Nukem

02-21-2009, 07:22 PM

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countchocula

02-21-2009, 08:12 PM

Good God.

Duke Nukem

02-23-2009, 06:31 PM

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Duke Nukem

02-25-2009, 05:53 PM

Well, time will only tell if the remainder of H9 comes to fruitation.

Duke Nukem

02-25-2009, 06:09 PM

Well, time will only tell if the remainder of H9 will come to fruitation.

Elgyn

02-26-2009, 07:03 PM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XFg5nJ2nE18/STManMK_obI/AAAAAAAAAFE/hBX7Uv8rUlg/s400/michael-myers11.jpg

Duke Nukem

03-08-2009, 05:48 PM

I guess it's time to break my silence. In the last week and a half, I have single-handedly written 115 pages. It's amazing how effortless it was. Once I got the opening sequence down, everything fell into place.

And it's all set-up so far. That might sound like a lot, but there are different generations of characters, more than a few subplots, a conspiracy angle and story holes to fill in. The important thing is that all of it couldn't run more smoothly. The story holes I checked out, do check out after all. Every single one of them.

Here are the characters I officially have on board so far. First, there's what we see of Dr. Wynn, Melinda Wynn and cult in the opening sequence. Then,
there's John Tate alone. Or really, John Strode. And the other side of his family - Kara Strode, Danny Strode and Tommy Doyle. And not to mention, Stephen Lloyd. He will come into the story much later.

Still living in Haddonfield after so long is Lindsey Wallace. As well as Drew Mackenzie, Benny Granger and the other local rednecks. Drew had an important part in "Blood," and it's looking more and more likely that Benny will be stepping into his shoes this time. I hinted at Benny *liking* Lindsey in "Blood," and "Legacy" will almost feel like a sequel to it here with the subplot they have going on.

Also brought over from "Blood" is Earl Young, the owner of the local diner. I already had actors "cast" as some previous characters. Juliette Lewis as grown up Lindsey Wallace, and a younger and less asshole-ish Billy Bob Thornton as Benny Granger. And best of all, Kane Hodder as Drew Mackenzie. Anyone here watch "Cold Case"? The African-American guy on that show's team, Thom Berry, is just who I see as Earl Young.

On top of all that, there is also a group of fanatics who know there is a cover-up going on with half of Haddonfield's past. The cult can't silence everyone. There are people who are going to know. This makes the conspiracy angle plausible. And writing for these completely fresh characters was probably the hardest part so far. But, I got the hang of them now.

All this set-up was challenging to write, but it wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. It became the easy part. The hard part is basically writing a third "Halloween" movie in a row and coming up with different suspense scenes. By now, I have used almost every inch of the Myers house, Wallace house and Doyle house. If any of those locations are re-used, and if I end up using different locations...that's what I have to figure out next.

So, I now have Point A to Point G covered. And I already know Point Y to Z. I just to have to make sense of what happens in the middle. My other two sequels wound up being 179 and 191 pages long. With everything I have written so far, I am not going to rule out the possibility of "Legacy" stepping over 200 pages. I can live with that. It's worth it for every scene alone between John and Kara/Danny/Tommy.

Elgyn

03-09-2009, 12:39 AM

EDIT: Hey this is pretty neat!

Duke Nukem

03-22-2009, 07:37 PM

It now has been three and half weeks. I'm up to 182 pages and it is still not close to being finished. I may be looking at 300 pages. That might sound like too much, but it isn't. The plot and characterizations could not run smoother.

I suppose that, with the repairs to the story holes aside, anybody could take this basic story and reunite John with Kara/Danny/Tommy/Stephen in Haddonfield. The easy way around this story would be to keep them as the main characters, and use unimportant supporting characters as bait for Michael.

That might be the only way that "Legacy" could work out as an actual movie with a realistic running time. But, I'm not going the easy way out with this. And just like my other two sequels, it will never be made into a movie. Lindsey Wallace, as well as some other supporting characters, are just as important in my book. If their roles in the story adds more pages, then so be it. In the long run, they aren't adding fat to the story. They are enriching it.

I know what some of you might be thinking. Here I am devoting my time to creating this extensive story that will never make me money. So, why am I bothering with it? Why don't I just take elements from it and use them in an original story instead? Because to me, discovering that there was an answer to every story hole and a believable story that could be written around them was like discovering the Holy Grail. I didn't believe this was possible years ago. Now, I'm writing it. I feel like I'm walking over water right now.

By now, I know that Sheriff Lachlan and any deputies will have next to nothing to do with the story. And for good reason. This movie does after all acknowledge H6 and the Druid cult. And as promised, their role in the story is minimal. They are letting Michael work alone. And Kara, Danny and Tommy won't know who to trust.

For that matter, when they somehow end up meeting John, how are they going to get him to believe them about a conspiracy angle? How will they get anyone to believe them about a cover-up? So, you see, there is an actual plot at work. And with the cast from "Blood" and the cast from "Peace," I have an all-star cast to work with. Writing for each of the characters couldn't be more fun.

As I've written more and have had more time to think about the action, I now know what I'm doing. You could say that I visited Haddonfield recently and scouted for locations. The hard part has become easier. I've figured out the right series action scenes to play out on Halloween evening. And fortunately, I've thought of a game plan that won't rehash what I've already done in "Blood" and "Peace."

There isn't much else to say. What was thought to be impossibe has become a reality. 182 pages down, and another 100 or so pages to go? Only time will tell.

Duke Nukem

05-08-2009, 12:26 AM

It's now been ten whole weeks since I started writing H9. And I'm now up to 292 pages. There's still more to go. While the set-up before Halloween evening asked for 180-190 pages to fill in the proper character development, the action and suspense to ensue take up a lot of pages of their own (that is not to say that there isn't any action before Halloween evening; there is). As already learned from my first H-sequel, action and suspense is more drawn out on paper than on film.

The hard part I talked about before - filling in the action to take place on Halloween evening - has demanded a lot more time to figure out than the set-up. It's working out though, and I've got something that definitely doesn't rehash "Blood" and "Peace." It is coming out nicely and smoothly leading up to the ending I already had figured out earlier on.

Coincidentally, I have discovered another "Halloween 9: The Legacy of Michael Myers" being made by other fans. There's no telling whether I or them started our projects first. Regardless, I thought of my "H9/Legacy" title completely on my own. I decided to go with "9," in order to fully account for "H20/Resurrection." They *do* count here. All of them count. And I chose "Legacy" as the key word in the subtitle for essentially the same reason. It couldn't be more perfect title for this particular story.

As is, I'm only writing H9. I have no experience in filmmaking. These other fans seem to be MySpace people who may have finished writing their own script and may be currently filming it as well. While my "H9/Legacy" covers both storylines, their version seems to be a sequel only to H1-2-4-5-6. Which is basically what I did with "Halloween 7: The Peace of Michael Myers." So, they aren't stealing my idea. But I don't know if they stole my title or not. It's almost too coincidental. If they're only going by the first storyline, why call it "9"? That's like counting "H20/Resurrection," which if I read correctly, they aren't. So, why not call it “H7/Legacy” instead? I don’t mind sharing the same subtitle with them.

Anyway, I'm been thinking about the possibilties. It was a fan who wrote the original script for H6. No way will any of my original-series-sequels be made into movies. But there are "Star Trek/Star Wars" novels out there. And there are also "Halloween" comics. Legal ones licensed by the studio.

Knowing that H9 would turn out a lot longer than my first two sequels, I was already reluctant to post it here. Now, I am putting off posting it altogether. I already believed that "Blood" and "Peace" are sequels fans out there will like.

I feel no differently with "Legacy." While no *professional* writers out there have offcially come forward with an "H9/Legacy" - most likely because the studio preferred to disregard the failure of the H4-5-6 story arc - I have no way of knowing if professional writers or any writers at all toyed with the idea of bringing both storylines together...and actually succeeded. I believe that I've done that. And while H4-5-6 was delibarately disregarded - and for the better, since H6 had so many problems production problems; I don't blame them for starting fresh with "H20" - I believe that a well-thought sequel that excels at tying it all back together is something the fans will enjoy.

Instead of posting "Legacy" like I did with "Blood" and "Peace," I want to come forward with it to the studio/people behind the fan comics. Or come forward to the studio and publish it as a fan novel. Whatever the studio would prefer. If it's too late to be made it a movie, why not? Same thing with "Blood" and "Peace." All three are unique stories that provide a different sense of closure to the whole series. I approached the characters in all three stories with respect. I have nothing but respect for this series. And I believe that the people behind the franchise would like them. If they gave me the time of day, why not make them available to all the fans out there? It would certainly help them extend the brand further and potentially pull in more money. So, why not?

All of you know next to nothing about the story and content regarding "H9/Legacy." I've kept quiet about it. I haven't posted any "theatrical trailers" or previews. I did have the opening sequence posted for a little while, and it hardly scratched the surface of what I've written so far. So, hopefully, I haven't gotten all of your hopes up and raised your expectations. Hopefully, you're not mad at me for "turning my back" and not planning on posting it. I want to make something of this and all my H-sequels if possible. But I'm not putting all my hopes up. I realize my chances are slim. Some of you may have more experience in the business world and may very well tell me that "making it" will be doubtful. But I'm willing to give it a try.

Duke Nukem

05-17-2009, 03:32 PM

I've done it! I've done it, I've done it, I've done it! In eleven and a half weeks, I've written what fans have long believed was impossible. Well, it's not anymore. It is possible to bring John Tate and Tommy Doyle/Kara Strode/Danny Strode/Stephen Lloyd together. It is possible for every single story hole - including that really mind-boggling one concerning Laurie Strode and her two children she kept apart - to be accounted for. It is all possible and I've done it!

I have to speak for my last reply. I rambled a lot there. When post, I tend to say a lot, and I've been trying very hard to avoid doing that in this thread.

Well, that doesn't change what I tried to get across. For one, H9 is rougly 330 pages long. And I've already said this next thing enough. There's a lot of characters and set-up to account for before the main action. I'm just finishing H9, and have yet to go over it, but I have a good feeling that is is worth every page. And because it so long, to post it would be a lot of trouble.

And second, I feel like I've done what nobody has been able to accomplish until now. I put both broken storylines back together and accounted for every story hole. Whether it is made into a movie of some sort, or made into fan-novel/comic, I want to go forward with it. I honestly believe that the fans and even the studio would like this.

Yeah, there was a reason why they disregarded H4-5-6 in the first place. But that was then, and this is now. If they like it, why not make it available to the fans? Chances are, it will only made it as novel or comic, and I'd be fine with that.

As for those other fans writing/making their own "H9/Legacy," who knows what they're really up to. They only really mention "bringing back the H6 characters." They make no mention of the H1-2-H20-8 storyline and John Tate. If it really is only that first storyline they're covering, why not call it "H7/Legacy" instead? Yet, I have to wonder if they're just being vague with their synopsis, and are also covering both storylines. If they are...wow.

Lastly, I recently deleted my homework concerning the story holes. I probably should have deleted it sooner. I have to protect myself from people stealing my ideas. For that matter, it may have been stupid of me to post my first two sequels online in the first place. But I did, and I hope all of you who read them enjoyed them. And for those who have followed my research on H9, I hope you enjoyed it as well. Take it from me, not everything is impossible.

countchocula

05-17-2009, 04:06 PM

Do you honestly think that a major studio is going to bother reading a 300-page fan script?

Duke Nukem

05-17-2009, 04:48 PM

I don't know if they would. It's not like I'm putting all my hopes up for this. Obviously, I'm not really expecting this to ever be made into a movie. But books can be within 300 pages long, and stories in comics can be drawn out to any number of issues. There are "Star War/Star Trek" novels out there licensed by the studios. And there are legal "Halloween" comics licensed by the studio as well. In the end, so what if H9 is 300+ pages? If they like how it begins, and if like how it continues, etc., the length shouldn't be an issue. This one, of all sequels, puts everything back together. The idea behind it alone was going to demand length. What matters is how smoothly it runs, and it does run smoothly.

Duke Nukem

05-17-2009, 05:03 PM

Okay, so I've re-read part of this thread, Count, and you're a freelance writer. Tell me honestly from your experience. Are my chances of them taking a 300+ page fan script seriously really that slim? Keeping in mind the difficult task I had to put all the broken pieces within the troubled series back together? And even looking into just making it a novel/comic instead of an obviously overlong movie?

Duke Nukem

05-19-2009, 06:32 PM

Oh, well. Before you said anything, I already suspected that my chances of them taking H9 and any of my sequels seriously might be slim. It's possible that they might have zero interest in publishing an old-series-sequel regardless of the quality. They might be more interested going forward with Rob Zombie's direction and leaving the past behind.

What matters is that I accomplished something that is still important to a lot of fans - providing closure to the old series. I did just that with H1-2-H20-8, as well as H1-2-4-5-6, and posted both of them for the sake of the fans. I've now finished writing closure to H1-2-4-5-6-H20-8, and have done everything I can for this series.

At this point, part of me is content with the fact that I was able to do it. And another part of me feels annoyed, because this feels like my real day job. But a fan still wrote the original script to H6. One day, I might try going forward to the studio with my three sequels. I won't go in with all my hopes up. But I'll at least try and see what my chances really are. You never really know until you try.

I don't want to make any movies out of it. If they give me the time day, they will most likely prefer publishing them rather than putting them on film. And I absolutely understand that. It is too late to film anymore sequels to the old series.

Axe Cold Killer

06-02-2009, 02:36 PM

nevermind, not worth it.

Duke Nukem

06-05-2009, 06:46 PM

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Count Orlok

09-06-2010, 10:38 PM

Well, I'm new here and I have to say, what you've done in terms of connecting the storylines together is awesome. I wrote a sequel last year myself that was a direct sequel to Part 6. The story was set on Halloween Night of 2008 and basically dealt with Tommy and Kara moving back to Haddonfield raising Danny and Stephen together. Stephen is friends with a kid who is the son of single mother Lindsey Wallace, and his six year old brother is being taunted by a Man In Black to kill his family as well as Smith's Grove being brought back into the picture. Everything basically plays out the same as the Producer's Cut of Part 6, and of course, I've tried to tie up the genetic stuff going on at the end of Halloween 6 with this too. Basically, the new Man In Black was doing what Wynn failed to do since Wynn was only using Michael for his DNA to make clones of him to exploit his evil. Stephen was actually a successful Myers clone (and you know what that means) so I had to go back and re-write my story all over again this time with Stephen possessing Michael's curse and the two facing off against each other. My intention of it was to bring together the two storylines as well, since my intention is to have Stephen become the new "Michael" it would be weird if he was in one storyline while Michael was alive and killing in another. It's best if they're together, but don't worry. I'm not stealing any of your thunder here. I'm coming up with my own ideas which will be a "recreation" of the original Halloween in some parts but with a fresh new story focused mainly on Stephen Lloyd and John Tate that will also have a clear cut explanation of what was going on at the end of Halloween 6 which wasn't explained all that well. I'm working really hard on this and I am trying to come up with a nice outline that will not only have the classic feel of "Halloween" but will be a grand finale to the series for me (even though there will be kind of a cliffhanger ending like the P-Cut of Halloween 6).

If it really is only that first storyline they're covering, why not call it "H7/Legacy" instead?

Well, Halloween H2O is Halloween 7 so it wouldn't make sense for them to call their "ninth installment" Part 7. It's basically Part 9 in terms of the other parts in the series. Like Halloween 4 follows Halloween II but it's the fourth movie so it had the "4" in the title. But they don't have to use the number. My script is also titled "The Legacy of Michael Myers" but there isn't a number in the title (like in Parts 6-8). I was curious of how many other people wrote a fan script of the same title which is how I bumped into yours through a google search.

Duke Nukem

09-07-2010, 07:09 PM

Nice to see another fan connecting the dots. Welcome to the boards, Count.

If you only just stumbled onto this thread, you have missed a lot of homework I had posted on the storyholes (thus, the now “deleted” posts; I have to cover my tracks and protect myself). To make H9 possible, I paid careful attention to several of the sequels to make sure I didn’t overlook anything. Once I came up with a plausible explanation for Laurie Strode having two children and keeping them in separate storylines, the remainder of the story holes were easier to explain but still a little tricky by themselves.

Good luck on your sequel. Don’t worry, you’re not stealing any of my thunder. I used up most of my thunder over the course of writing H9 last year. With the remainder of my thunder, I am trying to get in touch with the people in charge the movies/comics, etc. I *almost* posted H9 last year, and may have pissed off a lot fans on this board in the process by not, but I really want to go forward with this to the studio. I believe that much in it and all my sequels.

I still feel like these other people may as well call their sequel H7/Legacy instead. If they aren't counting H20 and H8, why call it H9? *If* we were both in competition to make H9/Legacy available to the studio, I would fight to keep the title legally. But the chances of the studio accepting any scripts from fans is slim as is, so it isn’t a big deal. I know, H1-6 is really just five movies by themselves. That goes without saying, and it's a little different.

Interesting that you also picked the subtitle “The Legacy of Michael Myers.” I am not all that surprised that another fan would choose it. When you have a long running series and want to provide closure, “Legacy” might be a common word. If you looked hard enough, there might be “Legacy of Dracula, Frankenkenstein,” etc.

I had also googled H9/Legacy to see if there were any others in the works by fans, so who knows. When you have "The Return/Revenge/Curse of Michael Myers" back to back to back, "Legacy" may be inevitable from many points of view. So may be "Blood," which I have done myself, as well as a more unexpected one, "Peace." These titles are more fun than "Halloween: H20" or "Halloween: Resurrection."

Duke Nukem

09-07-2010, 07:38 PM

After a closer look at your ideas, they are very different from mine and unique. In particular, you have a very different interpretation of what H6 was saying about Michael, Thorn and the Cult. For one, Stephen existing as a clone of Michael and to continue in his footsteps? I never thought of that before.

In my mind, once Michael kills off everyone in his family, Thorn passes on to another kid in the next generation, and repeat. And it has been going on for years, for decades, for centuries, since forever. Dr. Wynn is just one of many leaders to lead the Druid cult over the years, etc. More specifically, I felt that Dr. Wynn made Michael impregnate Jamie Lloyd in order for her baby to represent Thorn. I know that "Michael + Jamie = Stephen" is not a popular idea, but it can make sense without being completely sick. If Michael can be "guided" to pick up a knife and drive a car, why can't he be guided to have sex with his own niece? For the cult, it's not about the incest. Stephen simply exists to represent Jamie's innocence, Michael's blood, and ultimately Thorn itself before it is ready to continue with the next generation.

Count Orlok

09-08-2010, 12:02 AM

The ending to Halloween 6 was confusing to me, and it took some time for me to understand but I finally figured it out last year (I was only 15 years old at the time and I'm 16 now) in which I observed other people's theories that went on. I seen people put how Wynn and his staff were cloning Michael and there are hints to that. But at the time I never new Wynn actually cloned Michael. I figured he was going to perform an experiment on both Stephen and Danny so that both would inherit Michael's traits which would make them super strong and have a motive to kill, dominating the ones they aready had. That led to my script (titled "The Blood of Michael Myers") where the new "Man In Black" (Lindsey Wallace's six year old son's psychiatrist who appears three times during the story and new owner of Smith's Grove that had re-opened that year before when Tommy and Kara moved back to Haddonfield) tells Tommy that Wynn was close in making clones out of Stephen and Danny before Michael butchered them all, not serving out Thorn's real purpose. However, since understanding that Stephen was actually Michael's clone through an in-vitro experiment, that changed everything. After doing some more brainstorming, tying in Wynn's motive to the previous movies (mostly Parts 4 and 5), that's when I came up with this super long solution I that tied all the holes together I posted on IMDB.com in "The Operating Room" thread from the very beginning when Michael kills Judith:

See, Wynn wasn't the one who gave Michael his power. My theory is that Mrs. Blankenship and some other Haddonfield residents were and Mrs. Blankenship being the one who told Michael to kill. I mean if you think about it, Mrs. Blankenship was in on the whole "Thorn" thing, and she assumed Wynn was in on it to, only he wasn't. She tells Kara that she was babysitting Michael the night he killed Judith and that night was when he also heard the voice that told him to kill, supposedly the same voice that's telling Danny to kill. Now we know Wynn was the one who was taunting Danny to kill, and were made to believe he was the one who taunted Michael to kill, but now after understanding the movie more I can't picture Wynn being the one who told Michael to kill but rather Mrs. Blankenship since, according to her, Michael was there at her house when he heard the voice that would send him across the street to kill Judith (like why would Wynn just be at her house that night anyway). Afterwards, he did so and was sent away at Smith's Grove.

Now, at the end of this movie when Loomis confronts Wynn, Wynn compliments him on how he was the first to see Michael's evil. That's because throughout Michael's time at Smith's Grove before his escape, Loomis was the only one who saw Michael for what he truly was. Evil. So sometime after the events of Halloween and Halloween II Wynn became aware of what Michael was capable of and right away wanted to create superhuman specimens using his DNA and wanted Michael back at Smith's Grove as soon as possible. We look at the beginning of Halloween 4 where two attendants are sent to bring him back there, but Michael escapes and go after Jamie. So the following year, during the events of Halloween 5 we can assume Wynn decided to go after Michael himself (as the "Man In Black" and with the Thorn mark on his wrist so that Michael would think he's in fact part of the cult of Thorn). He captures him from the police station when his whereabouts are spread and kidnaps Jamie in the process since she was all alone. No one hears from them for six years.

Now, the fetuses at the end of the movie are the failed experiments Wynn tells Loomis about which involved him cloning Michael through genetic engineering. So we can assume that during the first five years Wynn tried to create the perfect clone which involved performing in-vitro experiments; taking an egg from a female (one of his patients since he had a lot of them), removing the DNA and inserting Michael's DNA into it (not a sperm sample but a gene sample) and placing it back into the woman's uterus. But he failed each time he did so that's when he tested it on Jamie. Nine months later she surprisingly gives birth to a clone who has the exact same DNA information as Michael. So the baby doesn't contain any DNA information from Jamie (since all that was removed from her egg) but only from Michael.

But since Wynn is basically trying to clone Michael through in-vitro experiments, that comes across the question of the use of Danny being in the picture then. I'm theorizing that shortly before Jamie had the baby, Wynn learns that he can perform a recombinant DNA experiment which involves taking DNA from one organism and inserting it into another, and that organism would inherit the new traits and would basically be a clone in a short while when the new traits begin to take over. So he begins taunting Danny to be that person when he learns of a new family living in the Myers house since he was the same age Michael was when he was cursed. He would be perfect. Wynn wanted him to be at Smith's Grove in order to do this, but he couldn't just kidnap him. So he was basically trying to get Danny to kill so in that way, he'll be sent to Smith's Grove and Wynn would then be able to claim him to pass Michael's curse onto him through DNA experiments if Jamie's baby didn't make it to birth like the other "failed experiments" stored away in green tanks. At least by the time Danny would inherit Michael's traits, he would basically be a clone since those new traits would dominate the ones he already has with a motive to be super strong like Michael and have a motive to kill as well since Wynn was basically renewing the cycle of cosmic evil and wanted Loomis to join him.

Shortly after giving birth, Jamie escapes with the baby as well as Michael following her so Wynn raced against time to get to the baby before Michael did. When he had everyone where they wanted he kidnapped Kara, Danny, and the baby and took them all back to Smith's Grove. I'm sure Michael followed them there in the van he took that night before, meaning Wynn didn't transport him back to Smith's Grove when he took Kara, Danny, and the baby because think of it this way, Wynn has a perfect clone which is the baby Jamie gave birth to. He didn't need Michael anymore for his DNA. He was basically going to use the baby's DNA now and inject it into Danny so he could inherit Michael's traits. He kidnaps Kara and locked her in a room to possibly test the in-vitro experiments on her so see if she'll give birth to a clone like Jamie did using her eggs and the baby's DNA.

By this point, Michael becomes aware that this supposedly "Cult of Thorn" has not let him kill Jamie nor the baby after all this time and kept them both away from him when they got a hold of them. So during the operating room scene when they're performing the recombinant DNA experiment on Danny, Michael storms in and kills them all. Wynn and his staff were only pretending to worship Thorn to get a hold of Michael's DNA the whole time (the beginning where we see Wynn "worshipping" Thorn after the baby is born was just one big joke), and when they did and made a clone of him they didn't need him anymore. They had the baby now. So now, the baby will grow up and be just like Michael.

I wasn't really happy at first that Joe Chappelle didn't explain the whole ordeal very well, but now kind of happy he didn't explain the details because it opens the door to a sequel in which this can be further explained upon and the ending has the audience needing to piece together the info themselves.

In my script I planned to tie this all together to as well as connect the storylines with Stephen and Michael facing each other there with John Tate in the picture too. But then I realized that'll take too much story I basically wanted the main focus to be on Stephen and his journey into uncovering his hidden power, so I don't think I could be able to add in Michael, John, Stephen's psychiatrist and the new Man In Black all together in one story if that was the case. I wanted to give John a story too without Stephen being in the way of that so I may in fact have to write two scripts (an H9 and H10) so that I didn't overload the plot in just one whole one. I decided to write the H9 sequel to Resurrection to continue John's story which will connect the storylines together and then have him know about Jamie (the sister he never knew about and I have a perfect explanation of that). Then I can do a sequel which continues on from Part 6 (but still continues from my H9 continuity-wise) that will focus on Stephen and he fights Michael. They'll work out like this:

HALLOWEEN 9 - John Tate's Story (connects the storylines together)
HALLOWEEN 10 - Stephen Lloyd's story (continues my H9 continuity-wise with references from it but basically follows Part 6)

My H9 may be set in 2008, and my H10 will be set in 2010. I think you'll be very interested Duke in reading them when I get done. I'm working on the outlines of both and I think you'll be very pleased. I still have my old Halloween 9 draft from last year I'll send it to you to read if you'll like. :)

PSU80

09-08-2010, 02:27 AM

No offense but this took an already over-complicated and confusing plot to a whole other level of psycho-babble.

I just rewatched H6 (theatrical cut) yesterday and can honestly say that this film does zero for me anymore. It kind of breaks my heart to say that but it doesn't hold the spirit of the other entries.

I've only ever seen the Producer's cut once and I thought it was terrible. There just too much nonsensical bullshit in H6; regardless of which version I watch. And there isn't near enough Donald Pleasence for me.

Count Orlok

09-08-2010, 06:45 AM

No offense but this took an already over-complicated and confusing plot to a whole other level of psycho-babble.

Well it just all came to me after taking time to piece together everything. The thing with Danny may not make much sense but that's the only thing I can think of that would make him useful in the plot in the first place since the whole story ordeal has been changed. I think it all makes sense to me, but I appreciate you for being honest. You didn't offend me, and yes, some of Donald Pleasance scenes should have stayed in (the ones you can see on the TV version of the movie with some P-Cut clips thrown into it). :)

Duke Nukem

09-08-2010, 07:39 PM

Count Orlok

09-08-2010, 09:32 PM

Wow. Huh. Now that I have a more definitive idea of where you’re going with on your own H9-10, it sounds epic. To start off, I have to agree with PSU80 a little bit in that your main ideas are taking the already complicated storyline from H6 and making it more contrived. At least it sounds you’re making it more complicated than it needs to be. But I wouldn’t dream slapping them off the table yet. It all comes down to execution. It sounds like you have done a lot homework on this.

Well that's great to hear from you, and I couldn't agree more. It is a chunk load of information that even the person who made the thread asking about the operating room scene wouldn't read the whole thing. He or she was asking about what Wynn and the surgeons were doing, and some one by the name of Horrorfan8 told this person that they were going to inject Michael's DNA into the baby and continue his legacy. This is what he picked up from me and other people but not quite. I just basically wanted to tell that person that Stephen was already a clone and that they were going to perform a recombinant DNA experiment on Danny so he could inherit Michael's traits, but then I figured he would have asked more questions about what was going on so that's then this big chunk of info came about.

I have to wonder, which version of H6 are you following? Producer’s Cut, Theatrical Cut, or both? It sounds like you're following the theatrical version which featured the re-shot ending and the dead fetuses in the lab (where Tommy beats Michael with a pipe). How aware are you of the Producer’s Cut and the problems that occurred before/during/after the production of H6? I, for one, have always followed P-cut, because it is the originally intended film and it is much clearer about its own ideas. The theatrical version is not very clear about Michael’s curse, especially towards the end when Dr. Wynn explains his motives to Loomis.

I am in fact following the Theatrical Version. I know all about the Producer's Cut and seen it a bunch of times. I thought it was alright. I've read all about the issues it went through with the test screenings and what not like four years ago. Fans of the series like to continue the storyline from the P-Cut point of view (which I'm sure you followed) and at one point in time I did so myself and quit after a while. But I would rather follow T-Cut since it is the offical version, not that it matters but still, and after a while found it to be more interesting since Stephen is basically inheritable of ALL of Michael's genes which would make him completely unstoppable. He was still to be a normal kid at times in my script but a lot of the time he was going to be uncontrollable and incredibly strong.

I have a question for you Count regarding Kara and Tommy’s decision to move back to Haddonfield. Under what conditions to they go back? Especially since Michael returned there more than once. Unless it’s a big plot point, you don’t have to tell me. This can be a tricky idea to work with. In every one of my sequels, I follow what H20 did and have the survivors from either storyline living in the “safety” of witness protection. To me, it makes the most sense. Either they get sick of all the BS and go back to stop Michael, or the cult scares them into going back, etc.

Well since you asked, I'll be more than welcome to tell you. Tommy moves them back to Haddonfield because he's certain Michael was still out there after 13 years (this was a direct sequel to Part 6 and set in 2008) and knew for sure he didn't kill him after bashing his head in. When Kara receives a note at their door by the "Man In Black" and after she is stabbed by him, she tells Tommy this when he comes home to find her on the floor bleeding and he becomes certain that it's all happening again, especially when earlier that day he learns Smith's Grove Sanitarium is celebrating it's 1 year anniversay since it's re-opening through a newspaper article.

So, you’re 16? I was close to your age when H8 was released in theaters, when H6/P-cut was unofficially released to the fans, and officially became obsessed with the series. It took me since 2002 to learn how to expand my writing and figure out how to make sense out of both storylines. You’re already working on a massive treatment to provide your own closure to the series. And you also figured out an explanation for Laurie and her two children? More power to you. Good luck on it.

Yeah, even some one as young as me that knows so much about the series is willing to take the chance to do this. Not that I have to do it but I want to for my sake of closure for this series the way I want to see it. And coming up with an explanation for Laurie and her kids was easy. Yeah, I have a great way to work around that. They'll obviously be more like half-siblings in this case.

A little tip. I know from experience that when you’re younger and inexperienced, you don’t immediately see through your own writing and see flaws in the characters, story-telling, etc. It took me a while to realize what I was doing wrong and learn how to provide depth to the characters. I’m not judging you, I haven’t seen your work, I’m just saying. It’s okay to step back, take a good luck at your work and take your time. I wrote a horror series from 2003 to 2008, one episode a week, and only realized much later how half-assed it was. I posted it here on these boards and some schmoes were very critical regarding quality. They couldn’t have been more right. I wound up re-writing from the scratch, taking my time, and making it a thousand times better. This is what led me to finally writing five H-sequels in the last two years and working on a sixth one right now.

Yeah, my work I did on my own stories which were sequels to short stories like that I liked very much turned out to be suckish after a while. I was only 12 at the time so it took some re-editing to get them right and I did. When I first started my original Halloween 9 script, the plot was terrible and here I was thinking it was good the whole time (this was last year). I wrote the outline out and rushed the whole script within a single week so I went back and changed some things and though it was much better than what I written before, the ending was what got to me.

No need to send me your own H9. I’m currently stuck in the middle of another H-sequel. Actually, I’m in the middle of a Halloween/Hellraiser sequel – “Helloween”. After the success “Freddy vs. Jason” in 2003, there was a “Helloween” rumor. It never came to be, but I figured out that the concept can be done right. I have already applied “Hellraiser” to the H6 storyline and I’m currently applying it to the H20 storyline – with both John from H20 and Kirsty from the Hellraiser 1-2.

I always had my doubts on the whole "Halloween" and "Hellraiser" crossover. The worlds just didn't seem to add up to me as taking place in the same universe. The world of Halloween was more like our world, and a world like Hellraiser was much more satanic forces that I felt would be too much for Halloween. Both the F13 and Nightmare series never seem to co-exist in the same world because of their different style and tone. But by Part 9 of F13 the series' style and tone was changed to make it look more as though it took place in the same universe as the Nightmare series for the two to have a crossover (which is what New Line wanted all along and made this so once they bought the series) which led to the brief connection at the very end. For a crossover for Halloween and Hellraiser I figured there would have had to be a Halloween 9 with some sort of brief connection with Pinhead that would lead into a crossover film between the two. But even with that I still didn't think the connection would work well for these two as it did for F13 and Nightmare as the Halloween series has that "real world" tone to it.

But seeing as though you're working on this crossover with a single story head on I hope it turns out good for you like how you want it, and I hope my two scripts turn out good for me like how I want it. I hope they all turn out well. :)

Duke Nukem

09-08-2010, 10:28 PM

At your young age, you have already went through every stage of learning-your-craft. That's impressive. It seemed to me that your were following the T-cut instead of the P-cut. No wonder we have opposite visions.

At the time, I also had doubts about "Helloween." I was part of the 55% of fans to say "no" in the poll. I just wanted to see a proper sequel to H8 and see John Tate return to Haddonfield. Of course, I never would. I had to write it myself.

It was last year after writing H9. I had done everything for the series, to both individual storylines, and to both of them at once. Suddenly, it occured to me. All that was left was the "Helloween" rumor. It was a big "What if?" that turned into "Hey, this is actually possible!"

There is one simple connection to make it work. It requires a Halloween character, with the right motive, to go out of their way to get their hands on the puzzle box. What if they were scared out of their mind about Michael finding them and they felt making a deal with another evil (with those they contact when they open the box) could get rid of Michael? Without going into details, it works for both storylines.

There is a big "But...". The focal point is NOT Michael Myers fighting Pinhead and the cenobites. That kind of thing worked for FvJ. It doesn't work for "Helloween." What makes the concept interesting is seeing the Halloween characters trapped in Hell and experiencing their own personal Hells. There is a fight between Michael and Pinhead, and it is short but sweet, but it is not the main point. It can't be to make it work and keep it at a serious level.

Duke Nukem

09-08-2010, 10:35 PM

Double post.

Duke Nukem

09-08-2010, 10:54 PM

I will add. For "Hellraiser" and the H6 storyline, it's like peanut butter and jelly. Or reese's pieces. You can say that the Druid cult represents one dark religion, and the world of Pandora's Box and Leviathan from "Hellraiser" is a whole other dark religion. They both believe in a lot of the same things. This gave the characters - especially Pinhead and Dr. Wynn - a lot of interesting things to say about their beliefs (and about religion in general).

For "Hellraiser" and the H20 storyline, there is obviously no Thorn or cult, so the concept is simpler. It takes the simple storyline from H20-H8 and obviously takes things to a darker level - a scary level I'm hoping. I wrote the first 50 pages so quickly. It was effortless and the set-up is perfect. The way John and Kirsty meet is spot on.

And then, I became seriously motivated to contact somebody at the studio already about my sequels. Not "Helloween," just the "Halloween" sequels. "Helloween" is a whole other legal thing to worry about. If possible, I would like to make them available as comics (which exist), a novel or an online story. For the fans. For closure.

For the last several months, I was waiting for the Halloween-comics website to re-open, and then I recently discovered the Halloween-movies website. Fortunately, it is open and I contacted them a month ago. I'm still waiting for a reply, and I'm sure that I told them the right thing. I think they will respond, whether somebody on their end cares about the old storyline or doesn't.

I've only began to pick up where I left off with my last "Helloween." The other "Helloween" worked out terrifically, and so can this one.

Count Orlok

09-08-2010, 11:42 PM

Well, good luck with your story. I'm currently writing the outline for my Halloween 9 (still thinking of a good title here). I'm thinking of a good story for John Tate at the moment before I start writing. I'm pushing for about 130 pages here since I don't want it to be super long and the plot isn't going to be that big anyway. I think I'll update it every now and then on how it's going, but I'm not going to shed too many details.

Count Orlok

09-11-2010, 01:07 PM

Okay, it's been two days since my last comment and I was able to come up with a story for both my H9 and H10. To make things short I decided not to have Michael appear at all in my H10 to face off against Stephen, and instead have the whole thing be about Stephen and Stephen only, who has been raised by an entirely new family since the time he was a baby given up for adoption. Since Michael won't be appearing in his story let alone John's story, Michael's reign of terror will end in my Halloween 9 which will include John's girlfriend Molly, Tommy Doyle, Kara Strode and her son Danny.

Duke Nukem

09-11-2010, 05:56 PM

Sounds like with H9, Michael is stopped and no longer in the picture. And in H10, Thorn resumes full control in Stephen. I can see that working.

I almost tried something like that myself. After "Halloween 7: The Peace of Michael Myers," I considered writing a follow-up to it in which I go full circle with the story and took things to the darkest level. This would have required Thorn being passed onto another child, or boy in his late teens. In the end, it wouldn't have been all about the Halloween mask. Instead, the teen would have had a frighteningly emotionless expression and would have earned the right to wear Michael's hand-me-down mask if he succeeded in wiping out Tommy Doyle and the Strodes (before continuing on his own family). The problem is, I was unable to figure out the little details to take it off the ground.

If you can make that idea work, do it.

I want to share part of "Helloween" with you. I have figured out John's and Kirsty's personal Hells when they enter Hell, but I'm a little unsure of what to make of them and I want an opinion other than my own. I'll post them right here. When you get a chance, tell me what you think.

Duke Nukem

09-11-2010, 06:12 PM

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Duke Nukem

09-11-2010, 06:29 PM

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Count Orlok

09-11-2010, 07:29 PM

I like it. A very interesting preview. I like the part where Laurie tells John about her past. In response to what you should do in regarding expanding Kirsty's personal Hell or making John's personal Hell shorter, I don't think you should make John's shorter. Since your story is introducing his personal Hell since we already knew Kirsty's personal Hell from Hellraiser II, I think you should keep it.

Duke Nukem

09-12-2010, 04:41 PM

Thanks. I needed to hear another point of view on that matter. I think I can now live with Kirsty's personal Hell being executed in a simpler manner than John's. It is still terrifying by itself.

I decided to re-watch both endings of H6. The P-cut is clearly more specific about Michael's curse. The T-cut says less (in order to not confuse uninitiated fans after the disasterous test screening), but still tries to suggest the importance of Jamie's baby (as well as the deceased babies in the lab). We're still not told what Stephen's role is, but both versions feature Dr. Wynn speaking of Jamie's baby as if he was "special" in some way. Given the difficult production H6 suffered, it makes me wonder more now what the original writer had in mind for Stephen.

Now, I can see why you're so attached to the idea of Stephen being a clone of Michael. Or what is it exactly? In your vision, does Michael still produce Stephen "through" Jamie? You have to consider that T-cut still features Jamie saying "Please don't hurt me, Michael. Oh, God, forgive me" in the beginning. And right away, we see Jamie on a gourney looking pregnant. That implies something weird right off the bat. Are you following the "Michael + Jamie = Stephen" school of thought, or are you side-stepping that idea and suggesting that the cult made Jamie pregnant with Michael's gene's medically?

Either way, I can see what you might be doing. Let a family adopt Stephen and Thorn will eventually continue its conquest for blood in the near future.

If I followed H6/T-cut correctly, Dr. Wynn was slaughtered by Michael in that brutal massacre in the lab, so someone has to take over for him in another sequel. So, I can see someone else affiliated with the cult and close to Wynn continuing in his footsteps.

Count Orlok

09-12-2010, 06:11 PM

I decided to re-watch both endings of H6. The P-cut is clearly more specific about Michael's curse. The T-cut says less (in order to not confuse uninitiated fans after the disasterous test screening), but still tries to suggest the importance of Jamie's baby (as well as the deceased babies in the lab). We're still not told what Stephen's role is, but both versions feature Dr. Wynn speaking of Jamie's baby as if he was "special" in some way. Given the difficult production H6 suffered, it makes me wonder more now what the original writer had in mind for Stephen.

At the start of the conversation between Wynn and Loomis, Wynn seems to be interested in Michael's evil after crediting Loomis for being the first one to see it. Wynn's next quote to Loomis: "I've had my failure but this baby, Jamie's baby", leads to us hearing about genetic engineering by his staff and then we see tank full of fetuses in a lab with a DNA chart on it with rune symbols. It all leads to cloning and we are convinced that Wynn has been trying to clone Michael to exploit his evil, and that Stephen is in fact the first successful clone to harness Michael's power.

Now, I can see why you're so attached to the idea of Stephen being a clone of Michael. Or what is it exactly? In your vision, does Michael still produce Stephen "through" Jamie? You have to consider that T-cut still features Jamie saying "Please don't hurt me, Michael. Oh, God, forgive me" in the beginning. And right away, we see Jamie on a gourney looking pregnant. That implies something weird right off the bat. Are you following the "Michael + Jamie = Stephen" school of thought, or are you side-stepping that idea and suggesting that the cult made Jamie pregnant with Michael's gene's medically?

I'm following Stephen being Michael's clone though in-vitro experiments (Jamie's egg empty of her DNA with Michael's DNA being inserted inside). As for Jamie's line in the beginning "Uncle Michael please don't hurt me" I can't really say anything on that but I am just to assume it's her fear of Michael killing her.

Either way, I can see what you might be doing. Let a family adopt Stephen and Thorn will eventually continue its conquest for blood in the near future.

Yep. That's exactly what I'm doing in my Halloween 10.

If I followed H6/T-cut correctly, Dr. Wynn was slaughtered by Michael in that brutal massacre in the lab, so someone has to take over for him in another sequel. So, I can see someone else affiliated with the cult and close to Wynn continuing in his footsteps.

Well Wynn was trying to clone Michael based on what convinced me at the end of Halloween 6, so his replacement would try to exploit the evil. But he would need to exploit Stephen's evil in my Halloween 10 since Michael was killed off in my Halloween 9, and this new guy is to revealed Stephen to be Michael's clone.

Duke Nukem

09-12-2010, 06:50 PM

Oookkaay. That's still a mouthful, but I have a better idea now of what you're doing. If you are able to make some sense of the T-cut, you should take advantage of it.

Count Orlok

09-12-2010, 07:14 PM

I count on it. I want both stories to work out well.

I had to edit out the comment on what I posted in Post #54 about Wynn's replacement wanting to actually do a blood sacrifice. Since Michael's reign ends in my H9 I was intending on having his curse stripped from him by Tommy. But I want to add Smith's Grove and the new MIB in Stephen's story and just have the new MIB try to exploit his evil.

PSU80

09-13-2010, 12:42 AM

Wow. To say this has gotten very ambitious would be an understatement. I personally prefer the more simple idea behind Halloween. That Michael Myers was nothing more than a motor for pure evil. Fuck Thorn and all their cult bullshit. Combining Hellraiser and Halloween??? I think I've been out of the loop way too long. Either that or I'm really starting to show my age. I can't find interest in any of this. Regardless, good luck with your ideas. I honestly just have no interest in the Halloween movies any longer. The original and H4 are truly the only ones I can watch any more and I truthfully find H4 to be a world apart in quality to the other sequels. Two over-the-top kills in that film (thumb thru forehead & the shotgun impalement) ruined it's true potential. Without those two ridiculous murders and H4 stands side by side with the original. Sorry to hijack your thread for a minute but all this attention to detail with Halloween films is making me a little nostalgic.

BTW, my perfect Halloween end-of-franchise film would have been H4 with Michael pulling Jamie in the sink-hole with him as he's being shot down by the police. And I would've damn sure added the clean-up scene where the paramedics are removing her tattered little body from the wreckage, along with his. Both destroyed beyond recognition. Michael dies, along with the last of his bloodline.

A.J. Hakari

09-13-2010, 04:57 AM

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Duke Nukem

09-13-2010, 06:54 PM

As obsessed as I am with this series, I agree with a lot of what you're saying, PSU80. It's the original movie I care about the most.

H2 stands close to it, and that's about it.

"Season of The Witch" I enjoy and accept as a stand-alone film.

I was never that crazy about Michael's "return", though it is a respectful one. To me, it has always lacked something. I can't put my finger on what it is.

I enjoy H5 purely for some of its ideas, essentially the idea of Michael's evil/rage being something that can be reached out to by someone close.

H6/P-cut is the better of the two versions, though H6/T-cut is soulless but watchable.

H20 I would enjoy more if it felt more like "Halloween" and less like a "Scream-era" film. If Michael was unmasked at the end before being decapitated, that would have made a hell of an ending to the series (and a slightly better movie).

H8 is so-bad-its-good, though I did enjoy it a lot more during its initial release (just because I was able to see a badass Michael on the big screen again).

As for the original "Halloween," I currently have it listed as my favorite horror movie and movie in general, but I don't feel that way anymore. I've seen too many movies. I can't say anymore what my favorite movie is or what my top ten would be.

You could say that I'm trying so hard to provide closure to this series, just so that the original movie can rest in peace with dignity.

*Looks over at A.J. at another table in the school cafeteria*

"Hey, why are you watching us, kid? Enjoying our conversation? Mind your own business, weirdo!"

Count Orlok

09-13-2010, 09:00 PM

You could say that I'm trying so hard to provide closure to this series, just so that the original movie can rest in peace with dignity.

I'm trying to make my two stories have a similar feel to them based on the other movies in the series. My Halloween 9 is pretty much going to have the Halloween 6: The Producer's Cut feel to it since Thorn will be explored more in that one. My Halloween 10 is going to have the same feel as "Halloween" and "Halloween H2O" since Stephen's the center star of it.

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Glad we're keeping you entertained A.J. Hakari. :D

PSU80

09-13-2010, 09:59 PM

Duke, I totally agree.

I wanted so bad for one of the Halloween films to eventually provide some sort of absolute closure and it never happened. Even though at some point in my life I couldn't imagine living without the possibility of another Halloween entry, I don't feel the same anymore. I believe this franchise had the opportunity to go out on top as far as franchise horror series go and in my opinion they failed miserably.

Either way I will always enjoy the ones I love but at this point in life, the original seems to stand apart as if it's not even part of the series. It's just that much better than the other entries.

Duke Nukem

09-14-2010, 06:28 PM

Count Orlok

09-15-2010, 07:00 PM

What surprised me is that they didn't take advantage of the minor success H8 was. It made 33 million, three times its budget. It's not like H20 and the 50 million it made, but it isn't all that bad. In the past, the studio had accepted harsh critism from fans and critics and moved on, so I was surprised they never went forward with one more. With H8, it was too soon to re-cast Josh Hartnett's part and they opted for the reality TV plot to cover their tracks. After H8, they could have re-cast his part already and made "Halloween: Retribution," or whatever they would called it. It feels like a missed opportunity.

They did in fact spend the next three years trying to come up with a story for Halloween 9 since Resurrection's release. They had ignored Parts 4-6 in H2O and continued with this with Resurrection, so coming up with a not only a third but good story that would once again not include Parts 4-6 in continuity would be hard to do. A story with John Tate alone with maybe Molly by his side would have been kind of boring. The H2O continuity would have completely drawn it's course by then. I mean, like they couldn't just think of coming up with a story that would connect the storylines together? If Moustapha Akkad haven't died back in 2005, I could only imagine what the outcome of Halloween 9 had been since I know for sure that movie would have been made.

Duke Nukem

09-15-2010, 07:22 PM

I know. If Moustapha Akkad hadn't been killed, things could be very different right now. It's very tragic what happened to him and his family.

But I don't buy it. After H8, they could done at least that one storyline justice. I was able to do it.

The simplest idea is having John return to Haddonfield to stop Michael once and for all. He will believe that Michael is responsible for his mother's death and do something about it. On the topic his girlfriend Molly, I never saw their relationship working out. He would have become paranoid like his mother, and Molly would have moved on. To make it more interesting, make the town of Haddonfield a character again, by focusing on grown up Lindsey Wallace, an elderly and bitter Leigh Brackett (the sheriff from the original), as well as brand new characters. More importantly, show how Haddonfield has changed from the separate point of views of the teenagers and the adults.

That is exactly what I did with "Halloween: The Blood of Michael Myers," and it worked. If a fan was able to do that, a professional writer could have come up with something of that quality as well.

*I don't know why that angry face is headlining my post. I did not mean to click on it*

Count Orlok

09-15-2010, 09:54 PM

But I don't buy it. After H8, they could done at least that one storyline justice. I was able to do it.

Or both for that matter. You were able to do it, and I'll be able to do it too once I have the story structures worked out.

The simplest idea is having John return to Haddonfield to stop Michael once and for all. He will believe that Michael is responsible for his mother's death and do something about it. On the topic his girlfriend Molly, I never saw their relationship working out. He would have become paranoid like his mother, and Molly would have moved on. To make it more interesting, make the town of Haddonfield a character again, by focusing on grown up Lindsey Wallace, an elderly and bitter Leigh Brackett (the sheriff from the original), as well as brand new characters. More importantly, show how Haddonfield has changed from the separate point of views of the teenagers and the adults.

Yep, this is exactly how I envisioned Halloween 9 being had John Tate been brought back into the picture. He would have needed to come to Haddonfield to face Michael.

That is exactly what I did with "Halloween: The Blood of Michael Myers," and it worked. If a fan was able to do that, a professional writer could have come up with something of that quality as well.

Well those "professional writers" didn't have the thoughts we had that we wished they have had to come up with something very good. The ideas I've seen for Halloween 9 were rather dull and weak.

*I don't know why that angry face is headlining my post. I did not mean to click on it*

I was confused when I seen that. I was thinking maybe because of the response you made to the Moustapha Akkad comment I made about him dying and what that did to his family.

PSU80

09-16-2010, 05:41 AM

Duke Nukem

09-17-2010, 05:38 PM

I never bought into the H20 and Halloween Resurrection films. Everything was too different and it was like the old Haddonfield was gone and had been replaced by a different universe. I grew up on H4-H6. Regardless of how I view H5 & H6 now, at one point, they made sense to me. H20 never made sense to me. I couldn't just switch my mind over to a brand new plot and timeline because the writers had exausted any viable conclusion to the original events.

I know from other posts that you had a more personal connection with the H4-6 storyline and saw H6 in theaters (and really liked it at the time). Going by that, I am not surprised at all that about your cold feelings for H20 three years later. When I was lucky enough to see H20 in the theater at 13, I can't recall if I had seen H4-5 on VHS and H6 on TV yet. It was sometime in late `90's when I would see H4-6. I kind of enjoyed H4-5, but I hated H6 that first time. I was not a casual fan of that dark storyline yet. All I remember is that I knew H1-2 personally (which was just as well considering H4-6 had nothing to do with H20).

When I first saw H20, I wasn't all that aware of the "Scream-era" nonsense, felt it was okay, and was disappointed that Michael wasn't unmasked before being decapitated. Obviously, I was too young to know they planned another movie in the future and couldn't show the face behind the mask. From this, I learned that the place and time to unmask Michael is in the last intended sequel to any storyline. I do this in all for of my Halloween-central sequels. As it turned out, there was no need to unmask Michael in my first "Helloween," and it doesn't look like I'll be doing it in the alternate version of it either.

By 2002, I joined this board and finally learned "Halloween-101" from the other schmoes. All the history and trivia, etc. With the release of H8 and unofficial release of H6/P-cut that year, I finally wondered why the H-E-L-L H4-6 was left out of H20. I don't care about that anymore, and I understand why they did it. H6 flopped. There were a lot of problems, and there wouldn't have been another movie if it weren't for Jamie Lee Curtis approaching them about a twentieth anniversary sequel. As disappointing as H20 is by itself, I can respect that.

It's H8 that could have redeemed H20's minor flaws. I don't care if re-casting Josh Hartnett's part after three years would have looked funny, I would have tried re-casting the part. With Laurie's son or without him, at least center around the townspeople in Haddonfield and make us care about this small town again. H4 kind of did that. Heck, if John couldn't be in it, Lindsey Wallace could have been the star. Who knows. What H8 ultimately did was kind of cool, but very superficial overall. We didn't get to know Haddonfield at all. No wonder you're so cold towards it and H20.

Count Orlok

10-06-2010, 06:56 PM

Okay guys, apparently it's been almost three weeks since I last posted here, and I wanted to inform you guys on how the story of mines has been going since then. All I can say is that it has been really challenging. Coming up with two seperate stories for both John and Stephen (an H9 and an H10) seemed like a great idea at first when I figured putting them together would make the story too overloaded, but just today it occurred to me lately that that was rather a problem. Stephen's story was kind of easy, as I knew what the outcome of his story was going to take but I won't go too much into that. He was to be adopted by a new family since the time he was a baby and soon have motives that were to be like Michael's since he is Michael's clone after all (from the T-Cut point-of-view).

As good as the story was and with Stephen just by himself around new people, John's story was just weak and nothing good for it was coming up for him alone. The only things I knew were that it was set in 2003, John was going to come to Haddonfield to confront Michael, learn about his half-sister Jamie Lloyd as well as the incidents that took place in Haddonfield from 1988-1995, and finally kill Michael for good to make Halloween 10 an open door for Stephen entirely which was to be set in present day 2010. But the story was looking rather stale with it just being about John and needed a really good story to be built around him coming to Haddonfield and getting revenge on Michael. Unfortunately there were some flaws in that. If it's for his mother, how would he know Michael killed her back in 2001? Maybe he assumed she committed suicide or that Harold killed her (the guy Michael gave his knife to). The rest of Resurrection was built to have taken place in 2002 since the scenes featuring Michael coming back to Haddonfield from the institution Laurie was staying at, right away in time for the Dangertainment webshow that took place at his house were cut (the whole movie was meant to take place in 2001 but the release date in 2001 was pushed back almost a year for reshoots). These scene dealt with him stealing a red firebird and driving back to his house and parking in front of it. John would have still been in California during all of this and would have not have had any knowledge of anything and he certainly wouldn't just now decide to come to Haddonfield to get revenge any point in this time for the 1998 incident or even know to look in the Myers house for him.

As much as I wanted to keep the two apart, John's story is what's causing the trouble here as it's not working out. I may have to connect him and Stephen together and work something out of that so that there's more plot going on between the two of them. Maybe have John thrown in somehow without even thinking about Michael until he comes into the picture. I'm thinking of putting Tommy and Kara can be thrown in here to be the ones that raise Stephen from birth so that they're aware of what's happening to him and how he could be a danger to them including himself. I may even have Michael and Stephen face off against each other again now. I'm basically starting over from scratch here so I am going to make this work somehow and is sure something will come up.

PS: I hate having to go back and edit my post for mistakes or to add in something. Why can't I seem to get my writing and my thoughts right the first time? LOL. :D

Ratlehed

10-07-2010, 04:49 PM

Did anyone see H20 on the F/X channel?? Man its awful. They not only edit the content. They cut and past scenes all over the place. They even chop off then ending before a certain body part gets chopped off.
I only added this here because its the only Halloween thread people might read.

Count Orlok

10-07-2010, 04:59 PM

Yeah the FX version of Halloween H2O is horrible so I hardly watch the movie when it's on there. As short as the movie is (84 minutes WITH credits) I don't see why they would bother cutting so much out and misplace come scenes in place of others or in parts where they don't belong and making it just one big mess. What was the network thinking here?

Duke Nukem

10-08-2010, 11:30 PM

If you really have trouble figuring out John’s belief and knowledge over what happened to his mother in 2001, it can be broken down really simply: he doesn’t know. Nobody really knows. Authorities will think Harold killed Laurie, but it was really Michael. What matters is that John *believes* that Michael could very well be responsible.

The first reason is because Michael defiantly tracked both of them down in 1998 (yes, we saw in H20 how he found them, but John doesn’t have that benefit). Why couldn’t Michael track her down again in 2001?

The second reason is because John’s sense of reality will be completely shaken by the 2000’s. Everything he thought was right is now wrong. He will inevitably inherit his mother’s paranoia.

And the third reason is because of the timeline that plays around H8 (in which you yourself discussed). H8 definitely takes place three years after H20, but it doesn’t state if the opening sequence takes place on Halloween. I like to think it does, and it is one more reason why John believes that Michael *had* to be the one who murdered his mother.

A story in which John returns to Haddonfield and finds out the truth about 1988-1995 and his half-sister sounds interesting. This aspect of my own H9 was especially fun to write (by learning about this hidden past from his cousins + Tommy from the other storyline). It’s a shame you can’t make it work. I am presuming that Tommy and the Strodes weren’t going to appear in John’s story, but in Stephen’s story instead. If Tommy and Strodes weren’t in it, I could have pictured John listening to the townspeople and overhearing the most incredible things about the town’s past.

If you really want to cover John discovering 1988-1995 and his half-sister, you have to be careful. Obviously, there’s the big story hole concerning Laurie Strode and the children she separated in different storylines. You’ve already covered that apparently. If you know all the movies, there are a lot of smaller story holes that contradict a number of things. My solution to that was a cover-up by the cult to “erase” the events of 1988-1995, as well as Jamie Lloyd’s existence. To cover their tracks and make up for almost exposing themselves to the outside world In H6. To make it plausible, I included fanatics who remembered the crime stories and wanted to see Haddonfield for themselves. The cult will not be able to silence everyone.

If you haven’t completely given up on John’s story, I will suggest something. Instead of having John return to Haddonfield by his own agenda, have the cult contact him by e-mail. The new leader of the cult poses as someone who has discovered a connection between John and the deceased Jamie Lloyd. John, suspecting the e-mail to be from a fanatic, goes to Haddonfield anyway just to get out of funk of witness protection and do something with his life.

You can do what want from there. Maybe he finds out the truth from townspeople. Maybe he finds out the truth from someone H-fans already know like Lindsey Wallace. Either way, the cult tries to lead John to Michael. And of course, Michael will have to fail. The cult then prepares for the events of H10, hoping Stephen will succeed where Michael failed.

If you're going to do John's story separately at all, you also have to surround him with supporting characters. Old faces from the past and/or new faces. I knew right away that you can't write one whole movie around just John and Michael.

If you would rather stick to one long sequel, by all means. I first wrote the two opposite sequels at 180 and 191 pages. That’s normal length for me. If they were filmed, they would be an acceptable two hours long. When I went ahead with H9 with an all-star cast, it wound up being 323 pages. However, I made sure it ran smoothly. And it did. Three months later, I went back to H9 and decided to write out Lindsey Wallace. Maybe I could give it a quicker pace. And I did. Without Lindsey, it runs at 267 pages. Still kind of long, but has a significantly quicker pace. Both versions get the job done, but I still prefer the longer version with Lindsey.

If you can make “H9 + H10 = H9” run smoothly, it might not necessarily be as bloated as you fear.

I recall taping H20 off of TV years ago just for the alternate scenes. It was refreshing to see the additional scene of Laurie and Will carving the pumpkin and talking about more about their pasts (a nice dramatic scene). Yes, the re-arranging of the rest of the movie was ridiculous. Horror movies are only worth watching on TV when they are more supernatural than slasher-esqe (less to cut).

Oh, and I know, Count. I go back and re-edit my posts thousands of times.

Count Orlok

10-09-2010, 02:27 AM

Duke Nukem

10-30-2010, 08:37 PM

I've have been re-reading and going over H9. Just I said in the other thread, it helped me come to terms with things and finally give up on this impossible dream. I already wrote it, and that's enough. Well, now that I've finished re-reading it, I think I'm going to finally do what I should have done last year when I initially finished it. I came up with a "theatrical trailer" for it and I'm going post to it here. For the fans. And especially for count orlok. Even though we follow some opposite ideas, I think you'll notice that some fans think alike (regarding Tommy using a Druid spell). I think you'll be impressed.

For every schmoe who has followed my journey to make H9 possible, here a is a theatrical trailer that gives you a good idea of what I set out to do.

Duke Nukem

10-30-2010, 08:58 PM

Halloween 9: The Legacy of Michael Myers – theatrical trailer

-Cut to a dark screen. The understated version of the “Halloween” theme begins playing and narration is heard.

Narrator: “In 1963, his journey began…”

-The screen fades in and a series of quick scenes appear . . . The point of view of a child as he grabs a knife from a kitchen . . . walks up the stairs of the house . . . approaches a naked teenage girl . . . and being unmasked, revealing him to be six year old Michael Myers. The screen then fades to black.

Narrator: “In 1978, he came home…”

-The screen fades in and a series of quick scenes appear . . . Michael watching Laurie Strode through the front door of the Myers house . . . Laurie Strode stumbling away from one house to another, with Michael not too far behind . . . Michael being shot by Dr. Loomis and collapsing over a balcony . . . Michael chasing Laurie through the hallway of Haddonfield Memorial Hospital . . . Laurie and Dr. Loomis trying to escape from Michael in the morgue . . . and Michael covered in flames and eventually collapsing. The screen then fades to black.

Narrator: “In 1988, he returned…”

-The screen fades in and a series of quick scenes appear . . . Jamie Lloyd finding a clown costume at a convenience store . . . Jamie encountering Michael and shattering a mirror behind her . . . Jamie and Rachel Corruthers trick-or-treating, and encountering several jokers dressed up as Michael . . . Jamie and Rachel escaping from Michael over the roof of a house . . . Michael attacking Dr. Loomis at the school . . . and Michael being shot by the state police and falling into a mine. The screen then fades to black.

Narrator: “In 1989, he retaliated…”

-The screen fades in and a series of quick scenes appear . . . Michael stabbing Rachel Corruthers with scissors . . . Michael stabbing a garden fork into the head of Tina’s boyfriend . . . Michael posing as Rachel’s boyfriend and driving her . . . Michael chasing Jamie Lloyd and Tina by car . . . Michael stabbing Tina . . . Dr. Loomis confronting Michael at the Myers house . . . Jamie reaching out to Michael . . . Jamie hiding in a laundry chute . . . Dr. Loomis releasing chained netting over Michael . . . and Dr. Loomis assaulting Michael with a piece of wood. The screen then fades to black.

Narrator: “In 1995, he came back for more…”

-The screen fades in and a series of quick scenes appear . . . Jamie Lloyd escaping from a Druid cult with a baby . . . Michael stabbing Jamie in a barn and leaving her for dead . . . grown up Tommy Doyle discovering Jamie’s baby at a train station . . . Tommy warning Kara Strode and her son Danny to stay away from their house . . . Dr. Loomis meeting up with Tommy in Haddonfield . . . Tommy and Dr. Loomis arriving at Smith’s Grove to rescue Kara, Danny and Jamie’s baby from the cult . . . and Tommy stopping Michael in his tracks with a Druid spell. The screen then fades to black.

Narrator: “In 1998, he caught up with old blood…”

-The screen fades in and a series of quick scenes appear . . . Laurie Strode – or rather, Keri Tate, waking up from a nightmare . . . her son, John, patronizing her over how protective she is at a private school . . . Michael chasing after John and his girlfriend . . . Keri getting away with John and his girlfriend in an SUV . . . Keri staying back to confront Michael . . . Keri swinging an ax into Michael’s chest . . . and Keri stabbing Michael several times and knocking him over a balcony. The screen then fades to black.

Narrator: “In 2001, he drew blood…”

-The screen fades in and a series of quick scenes appear . . . Laurie Strode being kept at a sanitarium after Michael drove her over the edge . . . Michael breaking through Laurie’s cell door . . . Laurie escaping to the roof . . . Michael going up to the roof, only to be confronted by Laurie . . . Michael stepping into a trap . . . Michael hanging upside down . . . Michael grasping his head masked head and reaching out to Laurie . . . Michael and Laurie falling over the edge . . . and Michael catching the edge and stabbing Laurie in the back. The screen then fades to black.

Narrator: “And in 2002, he returned back home…”

-The screen fades in and a series of quick scenes appear . . . six college-age kids meeting at a motel with producers for a reality TV stint in the Myers house . . . Michael surprising a guy through a mirror . . . Michael impaling a girl against a spike . . . Michael decapitating a girl . . . Michael crushing a guy’s head . . . Michael stabbing a guy through a door . . . Michael chasing the final girl down into the basement . . . the girl climbing up into the garage . . . and Michael caught in wiring as the garage burns up. The screen then fades to black. The understated “Halloween” then begins toning down and the narration continues.

Narrator: “In 2005, his journey will finally end…”

-The screen fades back in. The understated "Halloween" theme tones down and and eerie version of it takes over. Laurie Strode’s son, John, is revealed to be meeting up with Kara Strode at a motel.

John Strode: “My name is John Strode. Are you Kara?”

-Cut to the two of them, as well as Danny Strode and Tommy Doyle, having breakfast at a diner.

John Strode: “My mother never told me about your side of the family.”

Kara Strode: “She probably never told you about us, because she wanted to protect you. Especially once she faked her death in the late `80’s.”

John Strode: “In 1987.”

Tommy Doyle: “Michael didn’t disappear for twenty years like they want you to believe.”

John Strode: “How did I never learn about it?”

Tommy Doyle: “It’s a cover-up. There is some kind of cover-up to erase part of the history that took place in Haddonfield. They started wiping out everything that took place in 1988, 1989 and 1995. From every file and every database.”

John Strode: “1988 to `95?”

-Cut to Danny riding with John on their way to Haddonfield.

Danny Strode: “I was six years old when I first saw him.”

John Strode: “I was six years old when my mother faked her death and brought me and my father into witness protection. I don’t remember a thing from then. Do you still remember?”

Danny Strode: “Vividly.”

-Cut to Tommy riding with Kara on their way to Haddonfield.

Kara Strode: “Do you know how he’s going to feel as soon as we tell him? Deceived! In the back of his mind, he might be wondering if we’re a bunch of fanatics leading him on.”

Tommy Doyle: “You’re right. We have no proof yet. But there is proof at Haddonfield.”

-Cut to Haddonfield. Kara, Danny, John and Tommy stand before a house that has been unowned since Michael came home in 1978. From the outside, it has age and deterioration to show. However, it is not the Myers house. It is the Doyle house.

Tommy Doyle: “After all this time, nothing’s changed.”

Danny Strode: “Home sweet home…”

-Cut to grown up Lindsey Wallace also showing up at the Doyle house.

Lindsey Wallace: “Tommy?”

Tommy Doyle: “Lindsey?”

-Cut to Lindsey showing Tommy a tour of his old house.

Tommy Doyle: “Tell me something. What do you do for a living?”

Lindsey Wallace: “I sell houses. Just like Mr. Strode.”

Tommy Doyle: “I remember you going into that. But are you sure you’re not building them, too?”

Lindsey Wallace: “I know. Here I am repairing your old house. No offense, but I got sick of looking at it. I want to sell it one day. To a family.”

Tommy Doyle: “That’s nice. And don’t worry, none taken.”

-Cut to four young fanatics at the diner. One of them, David Ward, harasses the diner owner.

David Ward: “I know this town’s history with Halloween. It’s tragic. Do you know what’s more tragic? That there has been a conspiracy the last several years to cover up what happened here in 1988, `89 and `95. And almost everything having to do with Laurie Strode’s daughter, Jamie Lloyd. It’s as if she never existed. Aren’t you bothered by that?”

Diner Owner: “You know what bothers me? People like you who keep coming every Halloween to stir things up.”

-Cut to the hardware store. Tommy looks around, while the store owner recognizes him.

Drew Mackenzie: “Tommy?”

Tommy Doyle: “Drew.”

Drew Mackenzie: “I thought that was you. It’s been ten years. Where have you been?”

Tommy Doyle: “I’ve been away. Trying to clear my head and get my life back in order.”

Drew Mackenzie: “I hope you have.”

-Cut to Kara, Danny, John and Tommy having dinner with Lindsey at her house.

Lindsey Wallace: “What do you do?”

Kara Strode: “I’m a psychologist. I run my own private practice.”

Lindsey Wallace: “You don’t say? I must imagine Tommy and his fantasy life visiting your office every other day.”

Kara Strode: “Which one? Him or his fantasy life?”

Lindsey Wallace: “Both. On every other day.”

-Cut to five rednecks, including Drew Mackenzie, at the bar.

Drew Mackenzie: “You know what I think? You’re right. She’s not really making a statement to everyone in town. Rather, she is making a statement to you. Six years ago, she wanted to fix up her old house and you offered to help her.”

Benny Granger: “So?”

Drew Mackenzie: “So, this is the sign. If you don’t help Lindsey fix up the Doyle house, you may not get another chance to fix the relationship.”

-Cut to Benny meeting up with Lindsey at the Doyle house.

Lindsey Wallace: “Benny…”

Benny Granger: “Hi, Lindsey. Can we talk? Better yet, can I help you with the house? I should be giving you a hand. I should have been helping you from the start.”

Lindsey Wallace: “It’s all right. It’s not necessary.”

Benny Granger: “No, it is. I should have realized the message you were sending when you decided to start working on it. Especially a week before Halloween.”

-Cut back to the five rednecks at the bar.

Drew Mackenzie: “As long as we hold onto the past, it will stay with us. And as long as these fanatics continue to claim a so-called cover-up, I’m not going to satisfy them with anything. Look what happened when we stopped telling them the truth.”

Milo Thatcher: “He left town. To California.”

-Cut to John facing his mother’s grave at the cemetery.

John Strode: “I now know why you became so much more paranoid…”

-Cut to Kara and Tommy preparing to tell John the ugly truth at the motel.

Tommy Doyle: “I have some serious questions for you. Have you ever asked yourself how Michael was able to track you and your mother down in 1998?”

-Cut back to John at the cemetery.

John Strode: “…Especially at a time when you needed someone to look out for you, to be there for you, and to understand your pain…”

-Cut back to Kara, John and Tommy at the motel.

Tommy Doyle: “If you really believe that Michael is responsible for murdering your mother…have you ever asked yourself how he was able to track her down again in 2001?”

-Cut back to John at the cemetery.

John Strode: “…I should have, but I didn’t. I’ve been wasting my life away by hiding from the rest of the world like you did…”

-Cut back to Kara, John and Tommy at the motel.

Tommy Doyle: “You must know what happened to him in 1978.”

John Strode: “I do. He was nearly burned alive.”

Tommy Doyle: “So, have you ever asked yourself how a man could come back from something like that?”

-Cut back to John at the cemetery.

John Strode: “…I can be doing a lot more with my life. And now, I think I’m ready to do that. I love you. I miss you. And I hope you rest in peace.”

-Cut back to Kara, John and Tommy at the motel.

Kara Strode: “My family moved here to Haddonfield in 1995. There was a reason Michael went after us. What you don’t know yet is who he went after in 1988 and `89.”

John Strode: “So, who was it?”

Kara Strode: “Your sister.”

John Strode: “My sister?”

-As John looks on in bewilderment, the eerie “Halloween” theme begins toning down. Cut to Tommy with Lindsey in the backyard of her house.

Lindsey Wallace: “I want to know what happened.”

Tommy Doyle: “You do?”

Lindsey Wallace: “Yes. Everything.”

-As Tommy looks on and tries to muster the right words, the eerie “Halloween” theme completely tones down and the screen fades to black. It then fades back in to reveal the Myers house. A mysterious, white cargo van pulls up to it, and a darker version of the “Halloween” theme begins playing.

-The passenger and driver’s side doors both open and Druid members in a robes step out. The sliding door opens and another Druid member in a robe steps out. And then, one more Druid member inside the van pushes forward a coffin. All four Druid members take hold of the coffin and begin carrying it up to the Myers house. As they do, the dark “Halloween” theme begins toning down and the screen fades to black.

-The screen fades back in and reveals the Doyle house. Watching the living room with a hunting rifle is Benny. Cut to the point of view of a mysterious figure approaching the back kitchen door. Heavy breathing is heard.

-The suspenseful “Halloween” theme begins playing and Michael is shown being shot at in the upstairs hallway of the Doyle house (Bang! Bang! Bang!). He is shot at some more (Bang! Bang! Bang!) and he collapses over the balcony (Thud!). The screen fades to black and the suspenseful “Halloween” theme stops cold. Tommy and Benny are heard.

Benny Granger: “I got him. He’s dead.”

Tommy Doyle: “Is he?”

-The screen fades back in and the suspenseful “Halloween” theme continues where it left off. Cut to the Doyle house. And cut to the Wallace house across the street from it. Michael begins walking away from the Wallace house and towards the Doyle house. Meanwhile, cut to Tommy talking to Benny in the Doyle house.

Tommy Doyle: “Lindsey told me about the number of fanatics intruding on Haddonfield the last several years. I’m not surprised that other people have been looking into the cover-up themselves. What does surprise me is how disrespectful they’ve become. They used to be courteous towards us.”

Benny Granger: “So, what does all this mean? That the fanatics have been right all along? That by denying our past, we helped erase it?”

-Cut back to Michael as he walks down the front lawn of the Wallace house. Meanwhile, cut to one of the fanatics bravely confronting Michael in the Myers house.

David Ward: “Jamie Lloyd. Jimmy Lloyd. Debra Strode. John Strode. Tim Strode. Do those people mean anything to you? I never knew them, but they mean something to me. But apparently, their stories aren’t as important. Not like Laurie Strode’s. Do you even know what I’m talking about? Do you know about the cover-up?”

-Cut back to Michael as he steps off the curb and onto the street. Meanwhile, cut to Benny and Lindsey looking out the living room window of the Doyle house. Outside, one of the lights in the Wallace house is mysteriously turned on.

Benny Granger: “He might feel more comfortable playing hide-and-seek at your house rather than here.”

Lindsey Wallace: “What should we do?”

Benny Granger: “We have all evening. Let’s wait him out.”

-Cut back to Michael as he makes his way across the street. Meanwhile, cut to Tommy confronting Benny and the four other rednecks in the Doyle house.

Tommy Doyle: “I’m just telling you what I know from my experience. He’s more resilient than any human being. In fact, I’d say that he’s a lot more resilient tonight than he was ten years ago. I don’t know why, but he’s stronger.”

-Cut back to Michael as he steps off the street onto the next curb. Meanwhile, cut to Kara confronting Tommy and the rednecks in the Doyle house

Kara Strode: “I don’t think he’s just a man possessed by pure evil. I also think he’s a man whose soul has been buried deep within him. I’m a psychologist. And I’m also family. I think I might be able to reach out to him and stir up the good within him.”

-Cut back to Michael as he walks down the front lawn of the Doyle house. Meanwhile, cut to John bravely confronting Michael.

John Strode: “Did you kill my mother? Did you track her down in 2001 and murder her?”

-Michael stands his ground. At first, he gives no sign of an answer. And then, he begins tilting his Halloween-masked head to the side. John gulps.

John Strode: “It was you, wasn’t it?”

-Cut back to Michael as he walks up to the balcony and front door of the Doyle house. The screen then fades to black and the suspenseful “Halloween” theme begins toning down. Narration is heard and Tommy is seen in the upper left corner of the screen.

Tommy Doyle: “Michael, feel the power of Thorn…”

-The screen fades out and Kara appears in the upper right corner.

Kara Strode: “Ignore the torment and allow it to become one with your body…”

-The screen fades out and Danny appears in the bottom left corner.

Danny Strode: “Also feel the power of Wunjo…”

-The screen fades out and John appears in the bottom right corner.

John Strode: “It wishes to free you of Thorn’s torment…”

-The screen fades out and Lindsey appears in the middle of it.

Lindsey Wallace: “Allow it to overcome the emptiness of Thorn.”

-The screen fades to black and reveals the title…Halloween 9: The Legacy of Michael Myers.

That's it. When I first started this thread and started writing H9 last year, there's some secrets I never gave away. Such as my plausible explanation for Laurie Strode having two children and keeping them separated in opposite storylines. Obviously, I will be an idiot to give that away. Like it really matters at this point.

However, I will explain what "Wunjo" is in that final part of the trailer. "Thorn" stands for one of 25 Runes in Druid mytholoy and is the darkest of the elements. "Wunjo" is another Rune that really does exist and stands for peace. It is the complete opposite of Thorn, and my feeling was that it and Thorn could cancel each of their powers out and free Michael of the evil. So, while the Druid cult stays in the darkness and lets Michael work alone in H9, a chant Tommy comes up with is the only major cult element used during the main action in the movie.

Oh, and remember when Laurie told Tommy and Lindsey to go the Mackenzie's and call for help in the original movie? Enter Drew Mackenzie featured in the trailer (within 16 years of age in 1978). So, the reunion with him, Lindsey and Tommy was a fun factor in H9.

hisblueheaven

10-31-2010, 12:23 AM

I came across this little thread in my search of finding out why H4-H6 were ignored since I saw H20 last night. I like the idea of someone coming up with a story to explain and continue the Jamie/Stephen era of the story and also providing continuity for John.

However how does Sarah from H8 fit into the scheme of things? I am going to be honest in my opinions of H8. I did not like it and I felt the entire movie was really random and off the wall. From H1 Michaels mission has always been to kill family members. After Laurie's death in H8 naturally I feel his goal would be to go after John and Stephen. Instead he decides to go back to his house and kill all these people that have no relevence to the story, people that aren't technically in his way unless he was offended by their prescence at his house.

Sarah was portrayed as a main character and I feel that she has a relevence to the story but the writers never made it clear how she was relevent to the series. I haven't read the entire thread but I did get to the part where the poster writing the story seemed troubled about Johns story and why he would go back to Haddonfield.

My suggestions? First of all I am sure he would keep contact with his Mother so I think eventually he would find out that she died. It was at this point I began to wonder how Sarah would work into the scheme of things.

I see Sarah being a messenger only, I can't think of a way for her to have anymore relevence than that. Maybe she is interviewed about what happened and John goes to find her and at the same time makes the connection to what really happened to Laurie. Or maybe Sarah and John know eachother. Maybe the boy Sarah met on the internet is some how related to Johns girlfriend from H20? Either way you do it Sarah could become a possible love interest for John if you plan on him breaking up with his old girlfriend. I can see them relating as they both have suffered Michael Myers once by this point.

Now if you wanted Sarah to be an even bigger character into the series she could be part of the Stephen one aswell. That is if John dies. I can see her going and trying to find Stephen after Johns death to warn him of Michael Myers since technically as a baby he wouldn't remember it, unless he did research and found it. So again she could act as a messenger. That idea is a bit repetitive but I really don't see Sarah as being anymore than a messenger or a love interest. Then depending on where you go with Stephen would decide her fate. If he turns out to be evil like Michael then he'd use Sarah to find out where Michael is and then kill her and continue on from there.

Also there needs to be a reason as to why Jamie was not acknowledged in H20. That is a huge continuity error and if this whole thing is about fixing continuity errors then it needs a solution. In H4 there were pictures of Laurie but none of her with Jamie. There was one picture of Jamie with who can be safely assumed to be her father. Now the only solution I could come up with is for Jamie's father to have been a doctor, that would give him the ability to claim Jamie dead when in reality he took her because he couldn't deal with Laurie's paranoia anymore and he wanted Jamie to have a normal life. Of course then you'd have to explain the supposed car crash Laurie and the man died in together.

Guess what? That leaves an opening for a rewrite of halloween 3!

An entire story explaining away why Jamie was not acknowledged in H20.

Maybe Laurie found out where Jamie's Father was and went to see him for whatever reason non relevent to Jamie's actual life because Laurie can never find out about Jamie being alive for H20 to be right in it's non acknowledgement of Jamie.

So Michael comes back and in the end Jamie's Father ends up dead. Laurie survives and because of trauma from it she blocks out the entire events of what would be halloween 3. So again H20 would be correct in assuming it had been twenty years if Laurie blocked out Michaels appearence in H3.

Thats just my input. If you like and want to use any of those ideas assuming you haven't finished the stories yet or already decided what you are going to do you are welcome to use them.

Duke Nukem

10-31-2010, 06:13 PM

I'm now done with writing H-sequels. In the last two years, I wrote closure to the H20 and H6 storylines separately, and also closure to both of them at the same time (a la my trailer for H9 above). I obsessed over contacting the studio and convincing them that there was a right way to digging up these old storylines in comic book form, etc. The bottom line is they won't do it and that's it. And this is the last straw for me. I'm moving on from it.

I never saw Sarah or any character from H8 fitting into anymore sequels. They survived and it's over. They aren't family, so Michael has no reason to go after them. For better clarity over H8, my feeling is that the reality TV stint took place a year after Michael murdered Laurie. He tried looking for his nephew from H20, and didn't, so he returned home just in time to see people trespassing in his house. That's all the reason he needs to kill. And that was the next best thing for the filmmakers to do when Josh Hartnett refused to return in another sequel as Michael's nephew.

Halloween 3 has nothing to do with the rest of the series. Michael and Dr. Loomis were both supposed to be dead at the end of H2 and every sequel afterwards was supposed be a different Halloween story (like an anthology series). It didn't catch on.

The simple reason Jamie Lloyd and H4-6 wasn't acknowledged in H20 is because H6 had a troubled production and flopped. The H4-6 storyline went nowhere and H20 was an opportunity for a fresh start. Like a lot of fans, I was up in arms about that at first, but I understand why they did it.

Those little details regarding H4 and Jamie Lloyd, I know. Last year, I thought again about the story holes regarding Laurie and her children, and it finally occured to me how it can all finally make sense. And I finally lived my dream - I wrote H9 and put both storylines back together.

If you're another fan who has been writing fan sequels, all the power to you. I'm not the only fan who has figured out how to put the pieces back together. If I was able to do it, other fans can as well.

Count Orlok

11-02-2010, 07:38 AM

Guys you know, Sarah has some importance in being in a sequel. Think about it, she sees Michael in a mirror in a costume store when no one else does and she luckily survives the incident at the Myers house. It's like she was designed to be some sort of "hidden" relative or something. That's what I wanted to do and expand on her history a bit more. I had some trouble on that when I wanted to make her Jamie Lloyd's twin sister given up for adoption along with Jamie only weeks old when Laurie decides to flee to California and start a new life, but that would have made her 22 in H8 and she had to be about 18 (a freshman). But after some thoughts I have a perfect way of making that happen.

hisblueheaven

11-04-2010, 01:21 AM

That is exactly how I feel. I mean just the way that it was written and acted out. It's like Sarah was some important character. I mean true there always has to be a main character in every movie but for the Halloween series only key characters to the over all main story get to be main characters. It's like the writers wanted to do something with her character but never got around to revealing who she was and how she was a part of the over all story. I know at the end of H8 Michael opened his eyes and I always took that as a confirmation of a sequal and I figured her character would be fleshed out in a sequal but that never happened.

Count Orlok

01-03-2011, 05:15 PM

Hey guys, it's been awhile since I've posted here simply because I was working on my Halloween 9 outline. It's been a struggle but I FINALLY got it right. The story stars John Tate, Sara Moyer, Myles Barton, Lindsey Wallace, and of course Michael Myers himself. Recurring characters involve Sara's parents, and Myles' younger brother Jeffery Barton and Lindsey Wallace's husband. Minor appearances is made by Freddie Harris and Dr. Loomis' son. Dr. Loomis' son was to be the star of this story to uncover the secrets of Michael's evil, but his role was replaced with John Tate's as I figured his character would be more suitable as the star as he was in H20 and was returning.

As you guys can tell there's a pattern in the Halloween series by "three" of each column of numbers you can see on a calculator, cellphone or keyboard (1-4-7, 2-5-8, and 3-6-9). As Parts 1, 4 and 7 were all the "anniversary" movies set decades from each other (1978, 1988, and 1998) and revamps of the series. Parts 2, 5 and 8 were follow ups to these movies (Part 2 following up on Part 1, Part 5 following up on Part 4, and Resurrection following up on H20). Lastly, Parts 3 and 6 both dealt with ancient evil and cults (at least in the P-Cut of Part 6 the cult was actually a cult). So my Part 9 would have to continue this trend which was how I was able to incorporate Thorn back into the story as well as throw in a new Thorn cult. Since this story was to connect the storylines together, and put an end to Michael's reign of terror, it would be perfect to throw in his backstory into all of this at the last minute.

My motives with my H9 script really happen to parallel that of Daniel Farrands' motive when he wrote Halloween 6. As Daniel Farrands wanted to tie up the loose ends with Halloween 6 when he wrote the script, connecting the elements of Parts 4 and 5 into Parts 1 and 2, and bringing back a character from the original Halloween (Tommy Doyle), I was going to do the exact same thing by connecting the elements of H20 and Resurrection in with Parts 4-6 and throwing in a character from the original Halloween (Lindsey Wallace). See how similar this is? But the only thing that would not be explained here is the genetic stuff that went on at Smith's Grove in Halloween 6, but that will be explained in my Halloween 10 script since it will be all about Stephen, and will once again continue the trend as it would follow Parts 1, 4, and 7 (1-4-7-10) as it would work as a revamp of the series once more set in 2008 (following the "decade" settings of 1978, 1988, and 1998 of Parts 1, 4, and 7). Both my H9 and H10 will close the book on everything so I will not be writing anymore stories after my H10.

Duke Nukem

01-07-2011, 12:36 AM

It's been two months since I had to give up the on my H-sequels. The emptiness really sunk in afterward, since I officially had no fictional film series to hide behind anymore. The way things are looking, I'm most likely am not going to complete my second version of "Helloween." Even though the set-up to the main action in Hell is so perfect, the spark to finish it has burned out.

I don't know if I'm supposed to be a writer at all. I just know that the only thing I knew exactly what I was doing right was when I wrote fan sequels to the old H-series.

For older schmoes who were aware of my activities here in 2000's, I will say the same with my "Horror Talk" series. Even though the idea would never get past the various studios, I knew exactly what I was doing when I wrote it. Just as with my H-sequels, I put my heart and soul into "Horror Talk." I tried very hard to make the old-school horror icons into characters with human themes anyone could relate to. I am well aware that my original stories and seasons stunk to high heaven, and I made them a thousand times better when I re-wrote them in the later years. If I didn't go through this learning process at all, I may never have been able to write my H-sequels at all. So, it wasn't a complete waste of my time. Thanks to "Horror Talk," I was able to live my dream and provide closure to the H-series. That, in itself, is priceless.

I know that, for much of the last several years, I was primarily focused on either "Horror Talk" or "Halloween," and may have been a difficult personality to deal with. I wasn't personable with a lot of other topics. I see how a lot of you older schmoes get along. You seem to know your real names and so on. I'm sorry for being a nuisance and remaining an outsider who never really contributed to the group.

In the end, this is not to say that there isn't any other occupation I'm qualified for. I'm good with numbers, so I will be going back to college for pre-calculus and re-learning that.

As for you, Count Orlok, it didn't seem right to leave you hanging. I feel like I am done with this whole "Halloween" thing. I will say a couple things. It's interesting how we followed opposite ideas from H6. I followed one idea and made one arguably overlong sequel to put the pieces back together. You, on the other hand, are taking the other idea and writing two sequels to do the same thing. Good luck with that.

Count Orlok

01-09-2011, 02:24 PM

Thanks Duke. You will be getting a copy of my story when it is done. It was nice having this discussion with you. I didn't think I would hear from you the first comment I made here because of how long it's been since you last wrote in here. I started out just writing a sequel to Part 6, and then one connecting the storylines together by writing a huge overlong story a first with all the characters in it (John Tate, Sara Moyer, Stephen Lloyd, Tommy Doyle, Kara Strode, Danny Strode, Michael Myers) but then I figured that would be way too much for me. So spitting them up into two stories, was the best way to handle things for me. I was able to come up with a perfect way of making Sara Moyer a relative of Michael. Whether you want me to tell you and how I handled the situation is something I can tell you now or if you want to wait until I send you the story.

Duke Nukem

01-09-2011, 06:05 PM

Personally, I still don't see how Sarah Moyer can be related to Michael. You, or that other user, mentioned before how she was startled by Michael at the store, so Michael could be onto another long lost relative. I don't see it. She was already nervous about the "Dangertainment" webcast and learned about the "shadow" in her college class, so that easily could have been her mind playing tricks on her.

However, if you can make that idea work, do it. There's no sense in every fan writing this story the same way. Go ahead, write this thing. No need to divulge the details for me. I'm still in a place where I need to clear my head and figure things out.

I will suggest one thing. H8 is one of the least favorite H-films among fans and Busta Rhymes' character Freddie Harris is one of those reasons. Unless it was stated that he lived in the Haddonfield area, I don't see any place or reason for Michael to go after him. Even though Busta made an ass out of Michael, I don't think Mike would care anymore by H9/H10. If you want to bring him back for proper "retribution," by all means, but I thought it was best to keep H8 references to a minumum.

Count Orlok

01-09-2011, 11:14 PM

Trust me, I was able to make it work perfectly once I got the Jamie and John situation out of the way. Probably the best way any one couldn't have thought of.

As for Freddie, I decided to kick him out of the story. You're right, there's no need for him to be in this. Plus, I can loosen up another character. I couldn't squeeze him into this anyway as I made partnership out of John and Sara. He was only going to be given a minor role anyway. The story is set in 2003 so Michael's whereabouts after Resurrection are unknown but he is hidden somewhere in Haddonfield but is most certainly not at his house.

But yeah, no more rants. I'm definitely going to start writing now. Whatever new ideas come to mind when I write will be added. But you could understand how excited I am enough to want to share this with you guys. :D

ADDED:

Also for the record, I was wrong about Stephen being Michael's clone. Cloning a human wasn't even that well thought of or experimented with by 1995 until after that sheep Dolly was born and since all we hear is genetic engineering in the movie in which that and designer babies were well advanced by that time, that doesn't actually apply to cloning. Genetic engineering can be used in making designer babies though by alternating their genes. So Stephen would be a designer baby with Michael's traits that hold the power of Thorn running through his DNA in the T-Cut.