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Monotreme
04-13-2009, 06:43 AM
So last night I saw The Bridge on the River Kwai for the first time. Amazing movie, enjoyed the hell out of it; shot right up into my top 100 movies list. But there was one part about it that bothered me, and it's the same thing with many, many of these old movies: I'm talking about day for night.

I understand that there seems to have been a technical problem filming on location at night. Not enough light, I can only presume. But still, I think that this technique that they chose in order to solve this problem is pretty ridiculous. I mean, there are scenes in Bridge that are supposed to take place at night, but had that fact not been mentioned in the dialogue, I would never have been able to tell the difference. It basically looks like mid-day, just the screen is slightly darker. And I'm sure everyone from David Lean to Cecil B. DeMille knew that a sunny afternoon looks nothing like the middle of the night.

Even in some new movies this technique is present and painfully obvious, despite measures taken to hide it. In Cast Away, for example, most of the night scenes are actually shot at night, but one scene in particular, when Chuck gets mad at Wilson and kicks him out of the cave only to regret it and run out into the sea looking for him, it's obviously shot as day-for-night. Robert Zemeckis tries his very hardest to hide this fact - he replaces the sky with a CGI night sky with stars and a moon and tints the entire image dark blue, but the footage of Hanks on the island is still obviously shot in mid-day.

So here's what I don't get. Football field floodlights can light a very large area quite well at the dead of night, and it still looks like night even though it's flooded with light. Could this not be a better replacement for artificial moonlight than shooting during the day and "pretending" it's night?

Does this bother anyone else, or do most people succumb easily to the illusion and is it just me that is really bothered by it?

Natty
04-13-2009, 06:47 AM
Um, I guess I succumb easily to the illusion.

I noticed in River Kwai but it never really bothered me, can't say I noticed in Cast Away.

phelonious
04-13-2009, 01:17 PM
I'm kinda relieved, I thought this was going to be a rant against the Truffaut film.

But yeah, I always notice Day for Nights shots in older films, but it doesn't really bother me or take me out of the film.

APzombie
04-13-2009, 01:46 PM
I'm with phelonious, i came into the thread gearing to defend the Truffaut film.

I think Lean implemented it wonderfully in his films, i thought it sucked in 28 Weeks Later.

adamjohnson
04-13-2009, 01:52 PM
Its not just a question of money but one of scheduling.

I also am willing to bet that in Cast Away they originally decided the scene would have taken place during the day, and switched it up when they got in the editing room.

Zemeckis dont make mistakes.

adamjohnson
04-13-2009, 01:53 PM
Theres also a pretty good scene in the first hellboy that's day for night.

Care to guess which one.

LordSimen
04-13-2009, 02:16 PM
I love it. Then again, I'm the kind of guy that loves to be reminded I'm watching a movie and all the old "movie tricks" are some of the things I love about movies in the first place.

Beard_of_Meat
04-13-2009, 02:32 PM
I tend to notice it more in older television shows like The Munsters and The Addams Family then in older films...It doesn't bother me either way though

Servo
04-13-2009, 07:56 PM
I notice them too but I'm quick to forgive them. I just assume it's a full moon out. Ever been outside during a full moon at midnight? Pretty eerie.

APzombie
04-13-2009, 11:25 PM
I notice them too but I'm quick to forgive them. I just assume it's a full moon out. Ever been outside during a full moon at midnight? Pretty eerie.

Yes. Ever see blood in the moonlight Clarice? It appears quite black.

- Hannibal

bigred760
04-14-2009, 05:51 AM
Most of the time, I don't even notice. Especially when I'm very much engaged in the film . . . with films like Bridge on the River Kwai (one of my all-time favorites) and Cast Away, they're such great flicks, that I don't notice.

I think Shane is one of the best movies I've seen where I've noticed this effect. At least, I think it was Shane; it's been a while since I've seen the movie. :D

jdparker
04-14-2009, 08:42 AM
Likewise thought this was about the Truffaut film. Such a great flick! 10/10

adamjohnson
04-14-2009, 11:12 AM
Yes. Ever see blood in the moonlight Clarice? It appears quite black.

- Hannibal

Ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?

KcMsterpce
04-14-2009, 09:33 PM
Worst day for night I've seen in a huge budget movie: Lion, the With and the Wardrobe.
It was fucking pathetic.

Many times, I'm not bothered by it - if I even NOTICE it.
And if I don't notice, I'm really really impressed. Without my knowledge. ;)