Wasting time with negativity.

[Il_Duce]

I understand it when someone ask you what you thought of a movie and you say that you didn't like it, but what's with these topics about "the worst movie ever" or "the most overrated movie ever"?

Why bother? It seems like these people enjoy being miserable because they have nothing better to do with their time than gripe.

[Brendan M.]

I understand it when someone ask you what you thought of a movie and you say that you didn't like it, but what's with these topics about "the worst movie ever" or "the most overrated movie ever"?

Why bother? It seems like these people enjoy being miserable because they have nothing better to do with their time than gripe.

Its scary because every great movie imaginable is mentioned in the overrated section. What if all your people's opinions were true? It would be the death of cinema.

[Cop No. 633]

I have to say, I think people have the right to dislike or hate whatever films they choose. If we can love a movie to death, why can't we hate another? It makes perfect sense to me.

As for starting threads on it, I agree that "most _______" threads aren't my cup of tea. I think a lot of the time, people just want to be edgy and push buttons. But then again, I tend to skim or skip those threads.

[Geddy]

I think some ppl are too sensitive, when their favorite movies are talked about negatively & take it personal. Who cares if someone wants to write a life story, about why certain movies suck. It's just a movie, nothing more. Don't take it so serious, it's entertainment.

[LordSimen]

I understand it when someone ask you what you thought of a movie and you say that you didn't like it, but what's with these topics about "the worst movie ever" or "the most overrated movie ever"?

Why bother? It seems like these people enjoy being miserable because they have nothing better to do with their time than gripe.

I have no clue why people do this. It seriously baffles me. I'd much rather discuss things I love with people that love it as well than sit around and mope about everything I hate with other people who hate shit every day. That's just boring.

[The Postmaster General]

Yeah, it's funny the effort people put into subjects they don't like. I understand if it's something that could actually be changed - like behaviors at the theater, or management issues - but it isn't like any studio is going to read a thread and be like, "Oh shit, RJ_Highlander874 says Pearl Harbor is a flaming pile of shit, maybe we should reshoot it. Get Ben Afleck and Michael Bay on the phone!"

[Smarmy Douche]

In most cases the perpetual and exceptionally sensitive backlash towards criticism by the fans of a film can be even more bothersome than the most hyperbolic negativity.

[Shinigami]

A lot of people on joblo.com are probably armchair filmmakers, screenwriters, and actors who want to be involved with the cinema world but haven't gotten their break yet, so the bitterness mounts until every movie is an excuse to bitch out about what they would have done different/better if someone ever trusted them with money and a camera.

I know that's why I do it. :p
No, I'm serious. ;)
You're doing my attitude a disservice. :D
...fucking emoticons.

[APzombie]

Yeah, it's funny the effort people put into subjects they don't like. I understand if it's something that could actually be changed - like behaviors at the theater, or management issues - but it isn't like any studio is going to read a thread and be like, "Oh shit, RJ_Highlander874 says Pearl Harbor is a flaming pile of shit, maybe we should reshoot it. Get Ben Afleck and Michael Bay on the phone!"

I feel like its worth bitching about Pearl Harbor. It was insensitive, emotionless, profoundly stupid, cost more than the devastation that came from the actual attack, and didn't do justice to the historic event nor the countless lives took that day. A 200 million dollar film about a political disaster that gets reduced to petty shit-on-a-stick action sequences deserves all the bitching it gets.

confronting what sucks in a film brings out what we would have liked to have seen, and brings up discussions on narrative relevance and narrative ignorance. which makes us smaaaaartttaaa! :)

[Brendan M.]

A lot of people on joblo.com are probably armchair filmmakers, screenwriters, and actors who want to be involved with the cinema world but haven't gotten their break yet, so the bitterness mounts until every movie is an excuse to bitch out about what they would have done different/better if someone ever trusted them with money and a camera.

I know that's why I do it. :p
No, I'm serious. ;)
You're doing my attitude a disservice. :D
...fucking emoticons.

I feel sorry for anyone who is aspiring to be in the movie business but find movies like the Godfather and Citizen Kane to be overrated.

I can expect an average movie-goer to not understand them, but if I was to hear it from an aspiring filmmaker, I would have a hard time taking them serious.

[Hey Man]

I understand it when someone ask you what you thought of a movie and you say that you didn't like it, but what's with these topics about "the worst movie ever" or "the most overrated movie ever"?

Why bother? It seems like these people enjoy being miserable because they have nothing better to do with their time than gripe.

Um, because it can be fun conversation. If I see a movie that I personally feel is the worst movie ever - it's just as valid to talk about on here as a movie that I feel is the best movie ever.

We don't all share the same brain and we all have different personalities or ways of expressing ourselves. You should just respect that as opposed to starting this rant. The choice you have is to not get involved in those discussions if it bothers you so.

[Hey Man]

I have no clue why people do this. It seriously baffles me. I'd much rather discuss things I love with people that love it as well than sit around and mope about everything I hate with other people who hate shit every day. That's just boring.

You really see the world in black and white only. Do you think people are cutting themselves and thinking suicidal thoughts while they talk about the movies they hate? Has it never occurred to you that takes more passion as film enthusiast to properly explain why you hate a movie as opposed to just showing your hard on all the time with all the films you love.

[poopontheshoes7]

You really see the world in black and white only. Do you think people are cutting themselves and thinking suicidal thoughts while they talk about the movies they hate? Has it never occurred to you that takes more passion as film enthusiast to properly explain why you hate a movie as opposed to just showing your hard on all the time with all the films you love.

I dont think thats what LS is saying. He never said people cant talk about their dislike for a movie. What LS and the OP are saying is that many people spend to much time bitching and moaning while not putting forth any real explaination other then "Worst movie ever!"

[LordSimen]

Has it never occurred to you that takes more passion as film enthusiast to properly explain why you hate a movie as opposed to just showing your hard on all the time with all the films you love.

While Poop pretty much explained what I meant, I think I have to address this quote specifically as I disagree with it entirety.

It's easy to hate something. You can take anything, pick it apart and destroy every inch of it based on the most random reasons possible. You find guys on the internet do it all the time for "lawlz" and personally, I find that takes no passion. True passion, real passion is the kind one has for something they love. I don't consider hate passion. I consider it boring.

[The Postmaster General]

I feel like its worth bitching about Pearl Harbor. It was insensitive, emotionless, profoundly stupid, cost more than the devastation that came from the actual attack, and didn't do justice to the historic event nor the countless lives took that day. A 200 million dollar film about a political disaster that gets reduced to petty shit-on-a-stick action sequences deserves all the bitching it gets.

confronting what sucks in a film brings out what we would have liked to have seen, and brings up discussions on narrative relevance and narrative ignorance. which makes us smaaaaartttaaa! :)


Nah, that's not what I mean - It's fine to rip a movie to shreds, but I'm under the impression that the OP is referring more along the lines of going out of your way to shred a movie, ie people who go on movie message boards at IMDb to bitch about the movie. Blogging, reviewing or just partaking in a discussion is entirely different.

[APzombie]

Nah, that's not what I mean - It's fine to rip a movie to shreds, but I'm under the impression that the OP is referring more along the lines of going out of your way to shred a movie, ie people who go on movie message boards at IMDb to bitch about the movie. Blogging, reviewing or just partaking in a discussion is entirely different.

ah... i see. I should be slapped, sometimes i browse through threads without reading the OP, now that i read it, your post makes sense. :)

I see where you guys are coming from, and agree those breed are an obnoxious bunch.

[bigred760]

Its scary because every great movie imaginable is mentioned in the overrated section.

That's why I avoid those threads. It's an argument waiting to happen.

[Pentangeli]

It just comes down to being passionate about cinema, even the films you dislike. Why was a film good? why was a film bad? all part of film criticism.

[Hey Man]

While Poop pretty much explained what I meant, I think I have to address this quote specifically as I disagree with it entirety.

It's easy to hate something. You can take anything, pick it apart and destroy every inch of it based on the most random reasons possible. You find guys on the internet do it all the time for "lawlz" and personally, I find that takes no passion. True passion, real passion is the kind one has for something they love. I don't consider hate passion. I consider it boring.

You don't make any sense at all. We as film enthusiasts are going to see what might seem like countless movies and through that - we are going to hate a lot of them and it's completely valid to talk about those movies on a movie forum.

Hey guess what - many movies are indeed shit, so I don't know why you say it's easy to hate something. Roger Ebert wrote a book called Your Movie Sucks - is he just hating and being boring?

The bottom line is that it's easier to talk about the things in life that you love as opposed to why you hate something or someone.

[BatDaddy]

I see some agreement with most of what's been said here. The real problem I see, and I believe this is what most of you are talking about, is the people who just rip on a movie for no reason. Giving a blanket statement like "this movie sucked" or "____ was a piece of shit" or "_______ is so overrated" doesn't do anything but breed negativity, start arguments, and hinder discussion.

I agree that as film fans, buffs, aficionados, geeks, etc some of us are harsher on movies than the casual filmgoer, or have higher expectations. I find I have a difficult time when I watch a movie that I didn't like. As in, at times, it literally bothers me, sometimes for days, when I didn't like a movie. Especially if I didn't like one that is highly regarded. I begin to analyze and go over specifically WHY I didn't like it - what didn't work, what didn't connect, what could've been better or different? I don't know why, that's just my nature I guess. I do the same thing with real life problems - when something bothers me, it often takes me days to realize why I'm actually bothered. But I don't analyze things the same way when I enjoy something, so go figure.

I think the point is that the discussion boards are here for just that, discussion. If someone's post about a movie doesn't lend itself to discussion, or at least have some reasoning past "this sucked!" then it often is negativity just for the sake of negativity. Unless of course it's one of those occasions where a movie is such an undeniable POS that it truly warrants nothing beyond "this sucked!" Haha, I've seen plenty of those too...

[LordSimen]

The bottom line is that it's easier to talk about the things in life that you love as opposed to why you hate something or someone.

No it ain't. It's much easier to talk about shit you hate.

Why do think that's all the internet is? People talking about shit they hate on a consistent basis.

You make no sense at all, Hey Man.

[Hey Man]

No it ain't. It's much easier to talk about shit you hate.

Why do think that's all the internet is? People talking about shit they hate on a consistent basis.

You make no sense at all, Hey Man.

Look, first of all - it's been well documented that you don't make much sense on this board. Secondly people obviously think it's fun to talk about things they hate, but it doesn't negate the fact that it's EASIER to talk about the things we love.

Let me give you an example - I can talk all day about my wonderful wife and why I love her so, but to be able to go into detail about why I hate another human being is harder.

[LordSimen]

Look, first of all - it's been well documented that you don't make much sense on this board. Secondly people obviously think it's fun to talk about things they hate, but it doesn't negate the fact that it's EASIER to talk about the things we love.

Let me give you an example - I can talk all day about my wonderful wife and why I love her so, but to be able to go into detail about why I hate another human being is harder.

It's ten times easier to admit you hate something than move something. Your example also makes no sense to me as I see more couples able to talk about the things that bother them about their spouses than those that have an easy time just saying "I love you."

It's well documented that YOU don't make sense on this board.

[Hey Man]

It's ten times easier to admit you hate something than move something. Your example also makes no sense to me as I see more couples able to talk about the things that bother them about their spouses than those that have an easy time just saying "I love you."

It's well documented that YOU don't make sense on this board.

We are talking about things we HATE. Not things that bother us. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[LordSimen]

We are talking about things we HATE. Not things that bother us. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Nothing is wrong with me. Why do you ask?

[Hey Man]

Nothing is wrong with me. Why do you ask?

Because as indicated all over the board - you don't make sense. I just wanted to see if it's just an internet thing or you are like this in real life too.

[LordSimen]

I don't care what's indicated all over an internet discussion board. I make perfect sense to myself and that's really all that matters.

Bottom line: My statements in this thread still stand and if you don't like it, too bad. They're not changing and nothing you could ever say or do will ever change them.

[Hey Man]

I don't care what's indicated all over an internet discussion board. I make perfect sense to myself and that's really all that matters.

Bottom line: My statements in this thread still stand and if you don't like it, too bad. They're not changing and nothing you could ever say or do will ever change them.

Well as long as you are happy making perfect sense to yourself and not to the rest of world - cool.

[LordSimen]

Please stop trying to bait. You're no troll, so don't try to be.

[Natty]

Well sure its negative but this is a movie discussion forum and this guy just happened to ask 'what movies did you think weren't that good?', it was bound to happen I'm afraid.

I do have better things to do than gripe but I like these forums and was simply answering the question/joining the discussion.

Hopefully I've helped end another classic LordSimen arguement :D

[CyclicNightmare]

This isn't really about movies or the entertainment industry.

Ironic thread closed.