If you loved Martyrs...

[echo_bravo]

...like I mean really really loved it, then please do all of society a favor and go play in traffic. No seriously, I am not joking. Right now, log off Joblo and find the nearest intersection and just lie there.
Or go seek some serious counseling cause you are gonna need it to be able to fit into society.

After hearing all the hype about this film I had to check it out.

I had the privilege of watching this abortion for free thank GOD. And I have came to the conclusion that I would rather watch Rosie O'Donnell give birth than watch this film ever again. Thats how much I hated it.

Let me be clear, its not the worst film I have ever seen but its up there. The thing that really grinds my gears about this snuff film and its fans is how they think its soooo deep and philosophical it is (especially the ending). PLEASE:rolleyes:

One of my friends left me a message on facebook asking me if I saw Martyrs yet and I simply replied "Yes I did meh" and he responded back "That was pretty badass when that bitch got skinned huh?" to where I replied "Please NEVER reproduce...ever"

If I had to say anything good about this awful film, I would say the director is definitely talented...I will give him that. The film was well shot and the sound editing and score was pretty top notch. I also hear that he is set to direct the new Hellraiser film, so I wont give up on this French fuck just yet.

[LordSimen]

If I loved Martyrs... I'm an awesome person, cause Martyrs ruled. :D

[g1ng3rsnap9ed]

I loved Martyrs...am I awesome too? :D

[LordSimen]

I loved Martyrs...am I awesome too? :D

But of course! ;)

[Brendan M.]

I would rather watch Rosie O'Donnell give birth than watch this film ever again.

You can go do that and I'll go be normal and watch movies.


Its somewhat amusing when people go fucking apeshit over a horror movie like this. This tops ilovemovie's tirade against Inside, even though this rant seems pretty juvenile compared to that one.

[echo_bravo]

If I loved Martyrs... I'm an awesome person, cause Martyrs ruled. :D

May I ask why it was so "awesome". Cause I am baffled by the popularity of this film.:confused:

[echo_bravo]

You can go do that and I'll go be normal and watch movies.


Its somewhat amusing when people go fucking apeshit over a horror movie like this. This tops ilovemovie's tirade against Inside, even though this rant seems pretty juvenile compared to that one.

I am not trying to be a dick and change the subject , but when you took a picture of yourself covered in blood...that was for Halloween right???

[BadCoverVersion]

...like I mean really really loved it, then please do all of society a favor and go play in traffic. No seriously, I am not joking. Right now, log off Joblo and find the nearest intersection and just lie there.
Or go seek some serious counseling cause you are gonna need it to be able to fit into society.

I think I've blended into society perfectly well for the past 29 years...but thanks for the advice.

It's a well-crafted horror film. It's whole intention is to horrify and induce discomfort, disgust and all manner of associated emotions.

Do you think the same about those who love films such as Inside, Irreversible, The War Zone?

Your friend sounds like a bloodthirsty fucking moron who missed any point the film was trying to make...don't tar us all with the same brush.

[Evil Ed]

I also thought it was garbage. I have not liked any of the French films so far, aside from High Tension and Ills. They story wasn't involving enough for me to care about the girl getting slapped around for an hour and I do not think the reason behind it all was satisfying or moving. But I don't think that anyone that does like Martyr's is a problem to society....unless they purely like it because a woman and others are abused the whole film.

[BigSugar]

"I am not trying to be a dick and change the subject , but when you took a picture of yourself covered in blood...that was for Halloween right???"




Nice. This, is of course, is crticism from a cat who states in black and white that he prefers to see Rosie's puss-puss stretched out adn that if you dig a movie, you should be killed. Obviously comin' from a plce of centered understanding, this guy.

This is the kinda shit that gives film geeks a bad name. Throwing down on folks for not liking a movie or liking a movie is the rough equivalent of the douche jock pickin' on the nerds. And hey, I'm just as guilty as the next film geek of doing this shit. but my girlfriend promised; if I keep showing improvement, she'll keep swallowing. In the immortal words of the guy who fell off the skyscraper, "So far, so good...."

[echo_bravo]

I think I've blended into society perfectly well for the past 29 years...but thanks for the advice.

It's a well-crafted horror film. It's whole intention is to horrify and induce discomfort, disgust and all manner of associated emotions.

Do you think the same about those who love films such as Inside, Irreversible, The War Zone?

Your friend sounds like a bloodthirsty fucking moron who missed any point the film was trying to make...don't tar us all with the same brush.

He sorta is but I still love him. He is also a bit of a gore whore.

As far as the films you mentioned, I really really liked The War Zone. We are talking about the one directed by Tim Roth right??

And believe me I am no prude when it comes to ultra violent films. I do like Inside and High Tension is one of my favorite horror films ever.

I guess Martyrs just isnt my cup of tea. I didnt find watching some little French girl get slapped around, tortured and feed baby food that appealing to be quite honest.

But, like I said earlier, I am intrigued by this director making a Hellraiser film so we'll see...

[Donnie_Darko]

This movie was a weak revenge flick, and nothing more than a meandering cluster fuck, that had a bunch of gore. I love gore, but only when it's surrounded by SOMETHING. Honestly tho, Inside was a snatch hair better... not much tho. By like, .5/10 on the rating scale.

Hey, like what you want, tis all good. But I really don't understand the appeal of this movie. If you're a gore hound, that's fine, but all the lauded praise this gets for being a "moving and profound" movie, just leaves me in awe.

:confused:

[Brendan M.]

You sound a lot more civilized now after your first post. I understand you don't like the movie and its not an easy movie to like either. But usually when someone tells me to run off into traffic and kill myself for liking a certain movie, I'm eyeing them with a whole lot more concern than their eyeing me.

The reason for me that Martyrs is such a strong movie is it throws everything it can at you in attempts to give a satisfying conventional horror thriller. It gives you violence for that sake of sensationalism like most films do. Than it takes a very bold move by stripping all that away and the violence is no longer about sensation. Its about making you feel uncomfortable which is what violence is supposed to do. Its not supposed to be exciting. It exposes film for the fabrication of reality that it is. I think this was made that way to challenge you to look beyond the violence so then by the end the ideas it presents to you about life and death are much stronger. I wouldn't call it a philosophical since its very open ended, but I think it succeeds in getting you to think about the movie long after its over, that is if you choose to embrace it or not. Even the filmmaker himself says he doesn't expect everyone to understand what he was going for and even on the DVD he gives an introduction where he says "feel free to hate me for this movie" which you may have chosen to do.

And to answer your question about my profile pic, it was homemade blood I was working on to get a darker color for my short film, and to test it out I just took a picture of myself with it on.

[LordSimen]

May I ask why it was so "awesome". Cause I am baffled by the popularity of this film.:confused:

It's an intense, visceral and overall brutal horror film that was not only well crafted, well acted and well executed but it also managed to have a little something to say and give the audience some food for thought. On top of all that, it's absolutely gorgeous to look at. That's why it's awesome in my book.

[BigSugar]

I thought the guy who did Martyrs was off the Hellraiser remake?

[LordSimen]

I thought the guy who did Martyrs was off the Hellraiser remake?

The guys who did Inside are off the Hellraiser remake, the guy who did Martyrs replaced them.

[Cosimo]

I think I've blended into society perfectly well for the past 29 years...but thanks for the advice.

It's a well-crafted horror film. It's whole intention is to horrify and induce discomfort, disgust and all manner of associated emotions.

Do you think the same about those who love films such as Inside, Irreversible, The War Zone?

.

i kinda disagree bc, but please do not beat me. glorified torture porn this is, not in the same league as irreversible. i guess it's an improvement over saw and hostel but martyrs didn't have much to say that aint already been said by the likes of far superior and more unique filmmakers ie hanake, noe and ferrera in his prime

on the plus the gore special effect make up was real impressive

[SAI]

...like I mean really really loved it, then please do all of society a favor and go play in traffic. No seriously, I am not joking. Right now, log off Joblo and find the nearest intersection and just lie there.

I'll be off then.

One of my friends left me a message on facebook asking me if I saw Martyrs yet and I simply replied "Yes I did meh" and he responded back "That was pretty badass when that bitch got skinned huh?"
That's kind of a troubling reaction to any extreme horror film, but especially to this one, which is so far from being about the enjoyment of violence.

I felt Martyrs did a brilliant job of putting you inside the experience of the main characters, so good in fact that the first time I saw it I stood up half an hour later (after a q and a with Laugier) and my legs were still like jelly. It had a physical effect on me, and that just doesn't happen to me in movies. That, and the fact that it made me think, made a mental impact on me in a way that no film since Irreversible has, are the main reasons I think it's a genuinely great film.

I've seen many movies this year that I'd say I enjoyed more, because Martyrs isn't a film you enjoy, fuck, it's not a film you're supposed to enjoy, but I haven't seen a more impactful, a more interesting, a more disquieting or a better film this year, and I have my doubts that I will.

[Tweek]

I think my expectations for Martyrs might have been too high. I liked it fine even though I thought the beating went on for too long. I wanted to see more with Lucie. :(



One of my friends left me a message on facebook asking me if I saw Martyrs yet and I simply replied "Yes I did meh" and he responded back "That was pretty badass when that bitch got skinned huh?" to where I replied "Please NEVER reproduce...ever"

Oh good gravy... That wasn't supposed to be a 'badass' part. Talk about missing the point. The only thing that might (might) be considered badass is when Lucie shoots up the house.

[Smarmy Douche]

http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3034400#post3034400

I was watching it wondering who actually sits down and gets entertained by watching it. Who enjoys watching an innocent girl be tortured to death?

I can definitely say that I do. :D

Food for thought.

[MisterTwister]

http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3034400#post3034400





Food for thought.

It was obvious he was joking.

[Ayestrain]

I watched Martyrs last week, and was pretty horrified by it but interested enough to keep watching to see what happened. It has the same effect as a film like Funny Games in that you begin to ask yourself "why the fuck am I still watching this?" which I suppose is all part of the point.

The guy who reviewed the Martyrs DVD on Onion's AV club favorably compared it to Kubrick's 2001. :eek: Talk about overrating it.

I was okay with the film until the friend gets the shit beat out of her by the guy for 20 minutes. Had to fast forward most of it, don't need to see that.

The first 2/3 of the flick was pretty gripping, rather well done. The ending was just laughably over the top to me though.

[Cop No. 633]

It was obvious he was joking.


I don't think so.

.

[LordSimen]

I'm a horror movie fan and proud of it. As a horror movie fan, I'm fascinated by mortality, brutality and the macabre. I'm not sure how that's food for thought, or even something that must be brought up in this conversation in the first place.

[someguy]

I'm gonna go into spoilers here so people who haven't seen Martyrs steer clear.


The first time I saw it I wasn't sure what to think, I thought that the movie did a horrible job switching its tone once it got to the second half and it created a kind of train wreck effect for me since I loved the first half but when I saw it a second time I got things a little bit better. I still don't like the change in tone and the ending to the first half was predictable (the movie is flawed) but if I rated it I would have bumped it from a 5 to a 6.5 or low 7. I still didn't particularly like it but I had a little bit more of an appreciation for it.

So this is where I have to disagree with you:

The thing that really grinds my gears about this snuff film and its fans is how they think its soooo deep and philosophical it is (especially the ending). PLEASE

When I watched it the first time I knew that what I saw wasn't torture porn. I could easily see that there was an intent to the gore, it wasn't just there for pure entertainment. Movies like Hostel, Hostel 2, TCM: The Beginning, Saw 3, Captivity, etc. are grouped into the torture porn label because they use despair and disgust as forms of entertainment for people. The violence isn't substantive, it's just there for gore hounds and whatnot.

The big issue with the torture porn/snuff trend in Martyrs comes up with that second half of Anna being beaten repeatedly. The first half plays out in a more conventional manner so I don't see how that could fall under the same category. The second half had the movie touch on bigger ideas, mainly human strength. It touches on a few things like how people can be martyrs or victims, how much a person can endure, the spiritual aspect of martyrdom, etc. When it shows Anna being turned into a martyr for that long period of time there was definitely an intent to put people in her POV. I think the director's mentioned before how he wanted to make it feel very boring.

I can understand hating the movie, but I can't agree with labeling this as a snuff or torture porn movie. Martyrs actually does try to do something other than entertain with gore a plenty, and I would even say that it tries to be transcendent at one point. I don't really know of any movies that try to use extreme violence and torture to give off a transcendent feeling and I thought it was an interesting risk to take. I don't think that the movie succeeded at really capitalizing on the ideas that it presented, but I did appreciate it for giving it a try.

[Ayestrain]

When I watched it the first time I knew that what I saw wasn't torture porn. I could easily see that there was an intent to the gore, it wasn't just there for pure entertainment. Movies like Hostel, Hostel 2, TCM: The Beginning, Saw 3, Captivity, etc. are grouped into the torture porn label because they use despair and disgust as forms of entertainment for people. The violence isn't substantive, it's just there for gore hounds and whatnot.

The big issue with the torture porn/snuff trend in Martyrs comes up with that second half of Anna being beaten repeatedly. The first half plays out in a more conventional manner so I don't see how that could fall under the same category. The second half had the movie touch on bigger ideas, mainly human strength. It touches on a few things like how people can be martyrs or victims, how much a person can endure, the spiritual aspect of martyrdom, etc. When it shows Anna being turned into a martyr for that long period of time there was definitely an intent to put people in her POV. I think the director's mentioned before how he wanted to make it feel very boring.

I can understand hating the movie, but I can't agree with labeling this as a snuff or torture porn movie. Martyrs actually does try to do something other than entertain with gore a plenty, and I would even say that it tries to be transcendent at one point. I don't really know of any movies that try to use extreme violence and torture to give off a transcendent feeling and I thought it was an interesting risk to take. I don't think that the movie succeeded at really capitalizing on the ideas that it presented, but I did appreciate it for giving it a try.

I agree with most of this..it definitely rises above shit like Saw & Hostel & many others one could mention.

Though I remember thinking while watching Martyrs that movies like it make me feel bad for humanity in a weird way. :rolleyes: Desired effect on part of the filmmakers I suppose.

[Cosimo]

i don't think bad of anyone who really loves this film

[Evil Ed]

It wasn't moving, it wasn't interesting, it wasn't all THAT brutal, it just left you feeling dirty for watching it. I honestly didn't care one bit about the girl who got beat up, the girl who got kidnapped in the beginning, or the other female that was locked away in the basement, the character development could have used some more work. The fact that someone would come up with an idea for this movie is kind of sickening if you ask me. This is coming from the mouth of an absolutely die hard horror fan, and I have been all my life, (not talking about the cushy shit either, I really liked Men Behind the Sun and Shramm and other films in the vein of Martyr's) but when it comes down to films like this that are a very serious tone it's just disturbing. It's disturbing that there are actually sick people out there that get off on this movie and would/do this crap to people, it's just sickening. This is the kind of movie that is an inspiration to those sick people.

The other thing is there is no real justice in the end. The woman dies and the evil men and women just go back to making more martyr's?

I'm not saying it was a terrible horror film, it wasn't it did what it was supposed to do and it did it well, but Martyr's just wasn't my style.

[echo_bravo]

I'm gonna go into spoilers here so people who haven't seen Martyrs steer clear.


The first time I saw it I wasn't sure what to think, I thought that the movie did a horrible job switching its tone once it got to the second half and it created a kind of train wreck effect for me since I loved the first half but when I saw it a second time I got things a little bit better. I still don't like the change in tone and the ending to the first half was predictable (the movie is flawed) but if I rated it I would have bumped it from a 5 to a 6.5 or low 7. I still didn't particularly like it but I had a little bit more of an appreciation for it.

So this is where I have to disagree with you:



When I watched it the first time I knew that what I saw wasn't torture porn. I could easily see that there was an intent to the gore, it wasn't just there for pure entertainment. Movies like Hostel, Hostel 2, TCM: The Beginning, Saw 3, Captivity, etc. are grouped into the torture porn label because they use despair and disgust as forms of entertainment for people. The violence isn't substantive, it's just there for gore hounds and whatnot.

The big issue with the torture porn/snuff trend in Martyrs comes up with that second half of Anna being beaten repeatedly. The first half plays out in a more conventional manner so I don't see how that could fall under the same category. The second half had the movie touch on bigger ideas, mainly human strength. It touches on a few things like how people can be martyrs or victims, how much a person can endure, the spiritual aspect of martyrdom, etc. When it shows Anna being turned into a martyr for that long period of time there was definitely an intent to put people in her POV. I think the director's mentioned before how he wanted to make it feel very boring.

I can understand hating the movie, but I can't agree with labeling this as a snuff or torture porn movie. Martyrs actually does try to do something other than entertain with gore a plenty, and I would even say that it tries to be transcendent at one point. I don't really know of any movies that try to use extreme violence and torture to give off a transcendent feeling and I thought it was an interesting risk to take. I don't think that the movie succeeded at really capitalizing on the ideas that it presented, but I did appreciate it for giving it a try.

Okay thats a fair enough point.

And as I said before, I do see potential with the director. I dont know much about him but from a technical standpoint, he is pretty talented.

And I do kinda feel bad with my "if you loved this film, you should go play in traffic" statement. I do apologize if anyone was offended by that, but I do stand by the statement that some fans of Martyrs should seek counseling.;)

[Brendan M.]

Okay thats a fair enough point.

And as I said before, I do see potential with the director. I dont know much about him but from a technical standpoint, he is pretty talented.

And I do kinda feel bad with my "if you loved this film, you should go play in traffic" statement. I do apologize if anyone was offended by that, but I do stand by the statement that some fans of Martyrs should seek counseling.;)

Yeah but not us. Maybe your friend though.

[MistAh BlistAh]

I have no clue how this movie is gaining so much praise. This is the only horror movie in recent memory I've seen so many people give 10 out of 10. I gave it a 6. It had some intense moments and was on pace to being a pretty decent film until the god awful final third of it, couldn't wait to get it off my computer after seeing that, completely unnecessary and pretty much ruined the entire thing for the most part. I prefer all the other French horror I've seen over this; Inside, Frontiere(s), High Tension...

[InvaderZim]

I loved Martyrs 9/10

I'm gonna go play in traffic now. I think I see a bus coming.


P. S. Your rant is how I feel about people who like the saw franchise

[SAI]

Just off to, hopefully, pick up my DVD copy.

[LordSimen]

I'm gonna go watch this movie again right now and enjoy the fuck out of it like I have already so many times.

[echo_bravo]

I'm gonna go watch this movie again right now and enjoy the fuck out of it like I have already so many times.

Okay, please dont take this the wrong way, but I gotta ask...is there ANY horror film that you dont like?

I read your post in Aja's Piranha thread and you were all about that film as well, which sounds like complete shit IMO.

It just seems like you are waaaay too easy to please.

[LordSimen]

Okay, please dont take this the wrong way, but I gotta ask...is there ANY horror film that you dont like?


Couldn't stand that remake of Prom Night or When A Stranger Calls. I think the original Hills Have Eyes is terrible. I'm also not a fan of either versions of The Grudge.

[Shinigami]

Martyrs should have ended on the 40ish minute mark, climaxed by the suicide. Then it would've been an awesome short. Instead it derailed off course and went flying into the psychedelic sky on butterfly wings. :(

[MistAh BlistAh]

Martyrs should have ended on the 40ish minute mark, climaxed by the suicide. Then it would've been an awesome short. Instead it derailed off course and went flying into the psychedelic sky on butterfly wings. :(

Nicely said, absolutely agree! :)

[MisterTwister]

It just seems like you are waaaay too easy to please.

Nothing wrong with that.

[adamjohnson]

I guess your parents skipped that conversation about "make believe" huh?

[echo_bravo]

I guess your parents skipped that conversation about "make believe" huh?

Who me?:confused:

You mean Martyrs wasnt real? And that poor girl really didnt skinned?

Well, now I love the film!

[echo_bravo]

Couldn't stand that remake of Prom Night or When A Stranger Calls. I think the original Hills Have Eyes is terrible. I'm also not a fan of either versions of The Grudge.

Ok phew. For a minute there, I thought you liked anything with horror tagged on it.
And I totally agree with you on the remake of Prom Night is laughable.

[BadCoverVersion]

Who me?:confused:

You mean Martyrs wasnt real? And that poor girl really didnt skinned?

Well, now I love the film!

Well you were a little harsh in your opening paragraph...

I mean really really loved it, then please do all of society a favor and go play in traffic. No seriously, I am not joking. Right now, log off Joblo and find the nearest intersection and just lie there.

It's just silly to presume that people who enjoyed Martyrs are somehow 'sick in the head'.

Do you disapprove of people who relish in those true-life crime serials? Or delve into the world of Serial Killers? I guaran-fucking-tee that the main readership of that sorta shit is defenseless little old ladies...those folks are as morbid and curious as they come.

Martyrs IS sadistic and extreme horror...but if people find meaning in it, and appreciate it beyond a base level, then I don't see anything wrong with that.

If they watch it just for kicks, well then I think that's another story.

[echo_bravo]

Yeah, I do admit my opening paragraph of my rant was very dickish.

I do apologize if I rubbed anyone the wrong way! I just have a hatred for the film and some of its fans (one of my friends on facebook) made me hate it even more.

[Evil Ed]

I really can't stand how everyone that has seen Martyr's suddenly considers themselves a "hardcore" horror fan....what a joke.

[BadCoverVersion]

Yeah, I do admit my opening paragraph of my rant was very dickish.

I do apologize if I rubbed anyone the wrong way! I just have a hatred for the film and some of its fans (one of my friends on facebook) made me hate it even more.

It's cool to me.

[Reigh Kaufman]

I really can't stand how everyone that has seen Martyr's suddenly considers themselves a "hardcore" horror fan....what a joke.

I know.

Also, I thought Hellraiser was more graphic - especially for the time - and contains much more atmosphere than all the Nouveau Horreur (can I claim that as the title for a movement; I just coined it there just now?) combined.

Empire claimed it had a 'dare you see it reputation'. I dared. I was underwhelmed.

Oddly, I will still buy it - unlike the dreary Frontiere(s), A l'interieur and Haute Tension.

Hardcore fans, though? I wonder what would make you a hardcore fan?

[Shinigami]

Hardcore fans, though? I wonder what would make you a hardcore fan?


Watching a snuff film with popcorn and soda?

[Reigh Kaufman]

Watching a snuff film with popcorn and soda?

(Suspiciously)

Yeah, but what kind of soda?

A real hardcore fan knows there is only one correct answer to this question.

[Shinigami]

Diet. Watch your figure.

[Reigh Kaufman]

Diet. Watch your figure.

Tab Clear or Heineken were the correct answers. It was a trick question - but let's see what you could have won:

[LordSimen]

The only thing that separates a hardcore fan from a casual horror movie fan is a hardcore fan is one who lives, eats, breathes, and sleeps whatever it is they're a fan of while a casual fan simply enjoys it enough to keep watching (or reading, or listening, or whatever depending on what it is). Granted that's probably oversimplifying a bit, as most likely there's hundreds of degrees, but I'm not quite sure an overly complicated analysis of fandom is something anyone really wants to waste their time trying to compile.

[Brendan M.]

I really can't stand how everyone that has seen Martyr's suddenly considers themselves a "hardcore" horror fan....what a joke.


What!? Who are these people? Because I liked horror movies years before I ever saw Martyrs.

And if people are being won over to the genre through one film then I don't see what the problem really is. We've all got to start somewhere.

[Reigh Kaufman]

I thought he meant people who watched Martyrs because of its reputation and then declared themselves hardcore for having the nerve to sit through it.

I was being a bit dense, I think.

[Cop No. 633]

It's pretty simple. A hardcore fan will get a warm sensation between their legs when a film is said to have many decapitations and disembowelments. A moderate fan will ask what the film is about.

[Tweek]

I really can't stand how everyone that has seen Martyr's suddenly considers themselves a "hardcore" horror fan....what a joke.

Because everyone who saw the movie loved it? I liked Martyrs just fine but I've been a horror fan for much longer than it's been around.