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Homyrrh
06-03-2009, 05:51 PM
(from The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/06/03/us/AP-US-XGR-Gay-Marriage-New-Hampshire.html?_r=1&hp))
Filed at 5:36 p.m. ET

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — New Hampshire Gov. John Lynch on Wednesday signed a bill that made the state the sixth in the country to allow same-sex marriage.

He had promised a veto if the law did not clearly spell out that churches and religious groups would not be forced to officiate at gay marriages or provide other services.

The Senate passed the measure Wednesday, and the House — where the outcome was more in doubt — followed later in the day. The House gallery erupted in cheers after the 198-176 vote.

Rep. Anthony DiFruscia, a Republican from Windham, said during the hourlong debate: “If you have no choice as to your sex, male or female; if you have no choice as to your color; if you have no choice as to your sexual orientation; then you have to be protected and given the same opportunity for life, liberty and happiness.”

New Hampshire’s law takes effect Jan. 1. Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, Vermont and Iowa already allow gay marriage, though Maine opponents hope to overturn that state’s law with a public vote.

California briefly allowed gay marriage before a public vote banned it; a court ruling grandfathered in couples who were already married.

New Hampshire opponents, mainly Republicans, objected on grounds including the fragmented process that required three bills.

“It is no surprise that the Legislature finally passed the last piece to the gay marriage bill today. After all, when you take 12 votes on five iterations of the same issue, you’re bound to get it passed sooner or later,” said Kevin Smith, executive director of gay marriage opponent Cornerstone Policy Research.

Lynch, a Democrat, personally opposes gay marriage but decided to view the issue “through a broader lens.”

Lynch said he would veto gay marriage if the law didn’t address churches and religious groups.

The revised bill added a sentence specifying that all religious organizations, associations or societies have exclusive control over their religious doctrines, policies, teachings and beliefs on marriage.

It also clarified that church-related organizations that serve charitable or educational purposes are exempt from having to provide insurance and other benefits to same sex spouses of employees. The earlier version said “charitable and educational” instead of “charitable or educational.”

The House rejected the language Lynch suggested two weeks ago by two votes. Wednesday’s vote was on a revised bill negotiated with the Senate.

The vote was supporters’ last chance this year in New Hampshire.

SAI
06-04-2009, 03:43 AM
Good for New Hampshire, that sounds like a sensible law - allowing Gay people the same rights as heterosexuals, but not forcing religious people to go against what they believe sounds like a good balance.

The Postmaster General
06-04-2009, 04:40 AM
Yes, this is kind of my view, but I don't know why it has to be spelled out in law. A church has never been forced to marry anyone, as far as I know - I might be mistaken, but I remember there being an interview process when a couple I know got married at a church - this led me to believe that they could have been denied to be married at that church. Anyone know more about this?

Homyrrh
06-04-2009, 08:46 AM
Yes, this is kind of my view, but I don't know why it has to be spelled out in law. A church has never been forced to marry anyone, as far as I know - I might be mistaken, but I remember there being an interview process when a couple I know got married at a church - this led me to believe that they could have been denied to be married at that church. Anyone know more about this?
Yeah, pastors will typically interview a couple that they have been asked to marry (i.e. - perform the actual "I do" ceremony). If a Christian couple that asks such a request, the pastor will go have a lengthy discussion, etc., get to know them better since marriage is considered a very sacred thing.

I once heard a pastor speak who was asked to marry a young Christian couple. Ultimately, it turned out that this engaged couple was having premarital sex and so he pretty much said thanks, but that he couldn't perform the marriage. Usually this "process", if it is enacted, doesn't involve just marrying who the pastor likes, but perhaps he discovers the husband's cheating on the wife or the wife really doesn't have the faith she said she did, etc.

gayzilla
06-04-2009, 06:03 PM
Yes, this is kind of my view, but I don't know why it has to be spelled out in law. A church has never been forced to marry anyone, as far as I know - I might be mistaken, but I remember there being an interview process when a couple I know got married at a church - this led me to believe that they could have been denied to be married at that church. Anyone know more about this?

The laws vary by state. Some states say you can't discriminate based on religion, so if a venue holds weddings then they can't pick and choose who they hold them for.

I used to be ashamed of growing up in New England, but I never realized how progressive and forward thinking the great citizens of this region are. Almost every state in New England has offered equal marriage rights to gay couples. It really is a fantastic thing that equality comes first here. The battle is not over yet though as there are "religious" groups in each state trying to start petitions to have these laws blocked. Oh well.

Potter82
06-04-2009, 08:59 PM
Looks like that "evil gay marriage cloud" is quickly enveloping the entire Northeastern United States! It maybe evil but I'm sure it makes for some bad-ass rainbows. Whose next on the list?

Jon Lyrik
06-07-2009, 09:47 AM
The laws vary by state. Some states say you can't discriminate based on religion, so if a venue holds weddings then they can't pick and choose who they hold them for.

I used to be ashamed of growing up in New England, but I never realized how progressive and forward thinking the great citizens of this region are. Almost every state in New England has offered equal marriage rights to gay couples. It really is a fantastic thing that equality comes first here. The battle is not over yet though as there are "religious" groups in each state trying to start petitions to have these laws blocked. Oh well.

Yeah, pretty much.

I still want to get the fuck out of here, though.

screamer581
06-07-2009, 09:56 AM
6 down, 44 to go.