Stop Bashing Tyler Perry Because he doesnt Appeal To you!

[AmunRaTRON]

I am utterly sick and tired of seeing and hearing fan boys bash Tyler Perry And his films because he appeals to a different audience than you. Im not going to pull punches here the main reason why he gets bashed is because he produces film targeted at Black audiences. Now before you start screaming " oh no he's pulling the race card out" hear me out. Hollywood has by and large always been weary of the black element,in television and in films, but it is obvious. Save for was on UPN there are very few Black ensemble television shows and even fewer films and still even fewer ones that are able to reach a broad audience. Tylers Films arent perfect. However they are good films that are well acted, CONNECT with its target audience and provide a good clean form of escapism for those its targeted to. and that's part of the issue it really hurts to see negative comments by Fanboy (whom we can only assume are white) say downright terrible things about a man who has simply tried and succeeded in giving African Americans something that they really wanted and needed; A genre or group of films where the cast looked liked them and they could relate to. You know it may not seem like such a big deal to white fanboys, but you have no idea how refreshing and wonderful it is to watch a movie where people whos skin is the same color as mine (and the movie is written by someone who looks like me as well) and know that we arent just going to be the "token minority charecter" . And when you say things like "i'll never watch a pice of shit tyler perry movie" or "tyler perrys is shitty director and writer" and would ask you if you've ever seen any of his movies, and weather or not your in a position to relate to them Because when you say that, your basically saying i "would not watch a piece of shit all black cast movie" and seeing as how we have to sit through the endless amount of shows and films that are just "Pretty white people with Problems" its nice to at least see pretty black people with problems.

[echo_bravo]

I havent seen a lot of Tyler Perry's work but from what I have seen, it just seems like he thrives on making jokes centered around stereotypes. Just seems kinda lame and unfunny IMO.

[The Heart Collector]

You're asking this from a forum where a considerable number of people probably takes Chris Rock's "niggers and black people" monologue seriously.

[Tweek]

I'm black...His films don't really appeal to me. I've actually watched a couple. I downright despise most of what I've seen from him. I wish that he'd make more films like "Daddy's Little Girls" and less involving Madea. Madea I find offensive, along with the characters of "House of Payne".

[Shinigami]

This is a rant about moviefans complainting about black filmmakers who target a lot of black communities. So take it somewhere moviefans complain about black filmmakers who target a lot of black communities. :D

Are you serious? Most of the people on this forum are straight white males. We probably won't like movies aimed at mainstream audiences that aren't straight white males. Exceptional films that go beyond the mainstream will always be appreciated. But when a movie isn't exceptional and doesn't have any range beyond its intended audience... we're probably not going to get it. Nobody here seems to enjoy romantic comedies where women and adorably smirking men trip and get into awkward situations at weddings. Nobody here seems to enjoy Tyler Perry movies either. We aren't the target audience.

It's silly to overreact to any of this. Straight white males probably won't get mediocre movies that don't reach beyond their target audience of blacks or chicks or gays or asians or whatever. I'm sure it's refreshing for anyone in any of those target audiences to see movies like that. But what does this have to do with anything? It's not racism. If anything, it's a very mellow sort of alienation. I'd feel alienated if I sat down and tried to watch the nickelodeon channel because it's targeting kids. Or some channel with gay oriented programming because it's targeting gay people. The really good shows with range will speak to everyone and they will reach beyond their target audience, but I won't be able to handle the average bullshit. What's the problem?

You're asking this from a forum where a considerable number of people probably takes Chris Rock's "niggers and black people" monologue seriously.

You just blew my mind.


Edit: I just checked over some old "current movie" thread about tyler perry. And uh. I retract everything I've just said. What the fuck guys. Just because it's not in your target audience doesn't mean you gotta run around insisting that the guy is dumbing down the intelligence of society and should stop making movies. I'm siding with the op now. Hopefully this will make me look less like a gee-wiz optimistic ass to anyone here who actually read some of the joblo comments made about tyler perry movies. Whoops.

[Cop No. 633]

You're asking this from a forum where a considerable number of people probably takes Chris Rock's "niggers and black people" monologue seriously.

Yeah, I can't argue with this.

I don't understand why people go out of their way to hate Tyler Perry, especially if they've never seen his films outside of a preview. Get over it. I saw one film because I had to at a gathering somewhere and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. At least he makes low budget films that don't waste $150 million. I consider that a bigger crime to cinema.

He does make jokes that are stereotypes, which I don't like, but so did a film like the Friday the 13th remake, which tried to be clever about it but it fell flat on its face (Can't a brother listen to Green Day? Nah, I'm just playing!). I don't remember hearing anybody say anything about that. I do think it's funny that his biggest detractors here probably have never seen a movie by him. I talk shit about Rob Zombie, but I've seen the crap he's made, so if you have seen more than one movie, you have every right to say the man has no talent.

Making fun of Tyler Perry is like making fun of Carrot Top. It's too fucking easy.

[Shinigami]

Oh give everyone a break. Moviefans bitch about everything because we feel invested in everything. McG gets more hate around here than Tyler Perry.

Asking someone to stop bashing a filmmaker because that filmmaker's movies don't appeal to them is like asking a critic not to hate something just because he didn't like it. If you want to go down this road we might as well start a thread against moviefans' hate affair with these cookie cutter romantic comedies. After all, you don't have to hate them just because they don't appeal to you.

:confused::confused:

[Cop No. 633]

Saying, "This looks bad," or "I'm not interested," is completely different than saying that somebody is, "An untalented piece of shit who is dumbing down America." It's even odder when most people who have said that have never seen anything by that filmmaker.

Like I said, if you've seen his stuff, you can talk all the shit you want (like Tweek). But when people bash a person's work without having seen one movie, just one movie by that person... it's absurd. I don't know if you were addressing me in the last reply, but I never asked people to stop.

Dude, what's up with your post? First you say to shut up, then you say, "Never mind, you're right, people are crazy." What is it? It sounds like you haven't been taking your meds. ;)

[The Postmaster General]

I know what A-Tron is saying, and have felt the same way. You see it a lot more on places like IMDb, which I think is the forums equivalent of toads dying the swamps because of trace amounts of chemicals. This was actually one of the examples I used in my "get your user shit together" rant some time back --- You would see Tyler Perry movies inundated with '1' votes on opening weekend, and come on -- BULLSHIT. There is no way, and no one can convince me, that people who give Tyler Perry movies '1' go and see it on opening weekend. It's just people shitting on movies that have no appeal to them -- see also Hannah Montana, etc... I mean, unless someone here is naive enough to think that IMDb is crawling with white teenage girls shooting straight home to vote on movies right next to church going black folk -- Get real. Or, the alternative, that typical IMDb users see Maddea and Montana movies opening night. Bunch of player bullshit is what it is --- No one takes IMDb ratings seriously because the users don't take it seriously and truly and honestly believe it's some kind of popularity contest, like Tyler Perry and Hannah Montana roll off their piles of money and go "Oh shit, MaryJaneFan_871 thinks we're a pile of shit. Damn, we better change our game.

Sure movie fans bitch about everything, but are we seriously using McG as an example -- The director of Terminator 4? I don't really think that's a fair comparison to Maddea Gets Goosed or whatever the latest one is.

[A.J. Hakari]

Having seen all of Tyler Perry's directorial outings (aside from Madea Goes to Jail, which I just picked up from work), I can safely say that while his heart is in the right place, he can't seem to make a movie without oversimplifying his characters and the dramatic situations they experience to a frankly cartoonish degree. I'm glad his movies appeal to someone, but the excuse I see from most of Perry's fans is the fact that he talks about God. But there's a difference between discussing issues regarding faith and just name-dropping the Big Guy to cover your ass, and the latter is what Perry's been engaged in from the start of his cinematic career.

Do I like his movies? Not so far, no. But even though all of his films have been melodramatic road apples, I still hold out hope that he will one day make a movie I'll enjoy. Perry isn't a stupid man. He's got it in him to make something that'll knock my socks off. But I've yet to see him try.

[SpiralEye]

This is blown way out of proportion. I'm white, I've seen 2 Tyler Perry movies, and they both sucked. You can talk all you want about "target audiences" and movies made by "people who look like you" all day long, but in the end, you're making a PC stink for the sake of PC stink. Twilight was terrible, screw it's target audience. Same goes for Madea and whichever other one I saw. If anything, Perry's the one doing the damage, with his sterotypical, 1-dimensional portrayals of his characters. Shame on you for throwing white guilt around. Crap is crap. You need to formulate a better defense than "you're white, so you don't get it, and don't have the right to." If the guy made better movies, you wouldn't have to defend him. Think before you react.

[the clever guy]

Having not seen ONE Tyler Perry movie, I could be very wrong about everything I'm about to say here....so I shall continue anyways.

I'm not going to judge Tyler Perry himself based on "shitty" movies or "good" movies. Obviously, the man's got some sort of talent in creating the characters and the movies he does. Obviously it shows based on the millions this dude rakes in. Chances are, he's wiping his ass with $100 bills at this very moment (while in between takes of Madea Goes to the Moon or whatever). So that right there tells you the guy is doing SOMETHING right. But is something right always the best thing?

So obviously his "target audience" is the black audience. No harm no foul there. But shouldn't he broaden his audience? Obviously, he's made his target audience pleased in what he does. Honestly, I almost feel like Tyler Perry is segregating himself from a broader audience. Now, I'm not calling him a "racist" by any means. But I think he could connect with a MASSIVE audience of all races and colors if he broadened his target audience.

Look at Bruce Lee (sorry, the man's on the mind since the David Carradine thread is, like, the biggest thing now on here and I've been bringing Bruce up a lot in it). The man was ASIAN....CHINESE. Did he keep up with his "target audience" of just Chinese or Asians in general? No. Obviously, in his first few films it didn't appear that way...but they were filmed in 60's/70's Asia (in general...but all over the place). But he broadened his audience. Look at him now. 30 after his DEATH, he's still one of the biggest movie stars ever. He expanded himself to westeren audiences. Whites, black, hispanics (I'm sure of it), EVERYONE. Tyler Perry just focuses on a black audience. Again, having not seen ONE Perry movie, this is just a general assumption. I could be wrong and I accept that I'm wrong for assuming what could potentially be wrong (it made sense in my head). For all I know, and from what I've seen in trailers and previews and such...not one white person. Do I bitch about it? Do I make a huge scene about it? Nope. But I think for what it's worth, I feel he should broaden his audience. If not, no harm no foul.


Just my two cents. Hopefully I didn't offend or piss off anyone. I didn't mean to if that's the case.

[The Postmaster General]

I agree with you three dudes, but I think A-Tron is mostly referring to people who won't watch his movies and deride them -- It's never a good job to deride an artists who's work you aren't seeing because it doesn't appeal to you. I could sit here and say all day that Hannah Montana movies are pieces of shit, and the truth is that if I watched one, I probably would think it's a piece of shit --- but I think the idea is that it's not a movie for me to watch, and that has more to do with me thinking it's a POS than it actually being a POS. It's dishonest.

I don't get what "white guilt" has to do with anything, Spiral. This same example could be pertained to anything. An elderly woman saying 300 or Sin City is a piece of shit, having never seen it, would be the same thing. If anything it's a lot more politically incorrect to say that certain people aren't mean to watch certain movies than what you are saying. Really though, politics have nothing to do with any of this. But again, A-Tron is, if anything, making opposite of politically correct statements - since when has political correctness been about excluding other groups? Just because it's about race doesn't mean something. Like I said, an 80 year old woman telling me 300 looks like shit would have as much meaning as a 14 year old white boy telling me Madea movies look like shit - though it would probably be cooler to see the 80 year old woman ranting.

[AmunRaTRON]

You can talk all you want about "target audiences" and movies made by "people who look like you" all day long, but in the end, you're making a PC stink for the sake of PC stink. Twilight was terrible, screw it's target audience. Same goes for Madea and whichever other one I saw. If anything, Perry's the one doing the damage, with his sterotypical, 1-dimensional portrayals of his characters. Shame on you for throwing white guilt around. Crap is crap


Here is where i think YOU should think before you react. In my original post i didn't say his films were perfect, nor great. In fact i think i made a point to say that they were good. which if i can clarify here, is to say that they are OK. Now i dont exactly know how to say this but here it goes; You need to back your shit down. Comparing the target audience Of twilight to the target audience of Tyler Perry's Films is ludicrous. You cannot, no Rather you Should not compare An entire race of people to a group of people who follow a literary piece of fiction. As for your assumption that i am throwing "white guilt" around? I'm not. What i am bandying about is the fact that there is an undeniable and inappropriate amount of unnecessary animosity Aimed toward Tyler perry from white Fanboys.

If anything, Perry's the one doing the damage, with his sterotypical, 1-dimensional portrayals of his characters

I could sit here and give this one to you but i wont. When i look at Tyler perry's film i don't see many stereo-types, at least not in the way you are thinking. I see CHARACTERS and i also see people who remind me of people in my own family.Yes some of his characters are 1 dimensional, but no more so than any film with a white wash cast.case in point i was watching he's just not that into you last nite with a girlfriend of mine, did i decide to immediately announce with flare and hatred my disgust for everyone involved? no

You need to formulate a better defense than "you're white, so you don't get it, and don't have the right to." If the guy made better movies, you wouldn't have to defend him

No what i need to do is maybe Clarify why and how you being white puts you at a disadvantage for understanding why you don't get it. Did you grow up around Black folks? I mean Really grow up around black folks? Not just a single friend or maybe your parents one-off coworkers? No? you didn't?
well in only so many words let me explain, while Tyler may get a lot of things wrong about black folks, he does get a lot right, namely the sense of values, warmth and family. In Medea's family reunion when Cicily Tyson begins her speech and the entire family (some 200 people) all stop what there doing an listing...That' s an honest portrayal. A better way to say this: Tyler knows how to make you as an African American, a black person, Folk or whatever Feel truly connected To His characters, even if that connection only lasts for a second. And it is almost impossible to describe the feeling of that connection when it presents itself, particularly when you as a minority as watching other minorities onscreen only this time you the majority.
That is why it's difficult for you to understand. it has nothing to do with guilt, what is has to do with is the feeling attached to challenging that "white wash" status-quo and successfully making that emotional connection to your audience. Also you should no that i personally would never state that
"you're white, so you don't get it, and don't have the right to." you have every right to get it, but as with alot of things, you need to know why you should get it and why you arent.


and i say back your shit down with only the strongest of love.

[Shinigami]

Dude, what's up with your post? First you say to shut up, then you say, "Never mind, you're right, people are crazy." What is it? It sounds like you haven't been taking your meds.


Haha. I'm just not sure what I want to say. On one hand I was surprised by the actual comments on Tyler Perry movies when I went snooping in some of those old "current movie talk" threads, but when yet another schmoe posted on this thread and made a big deal out of it I got worked back to my original position. I feel confused and alone.

[KingofKings2525]

Give me a break. Here are two personal opinions.

1. Tyler Perry's films suck ass. I've seen two of them and I won't watch another one because they are simply unfunny and a waste of time. The man's message contains too much reverse racism and it's poorly portrayed. His talent on a scale from 1 - 10? A 1.

2. Spike Lee is my all time favorite director. His talent on a scale from 1 - 10? A 10.

But let me guess, you still think I'm a racist for not liking Perry's "movies."

[rocknblues81]

I am utterly sick and tired of seeing and hearing fan boys bash Tyler Perry And his films because he appeals to a different audience than you. Im not going to pull punches here the main reason why he gets bashed is because he produces film targeted at Black audiences. Now before you start screaming " oh no he's pulling the race card out" hear me out. Hollywood has by and large always been weary of the black element,in television and in films, but it is obvious. Save for was on UPN there are very few Black ensemble television shows and even fewer films and still even fewer ones that are able to reach a broad audience. Tylers Films arent perfect. However they are good films that are well acted, CONNECT with its target audience and provide a good clean form of escapism for those its targeted to. and that's part of the issue it really hurts to see negative comments by Fanboy (whom we can only assume are white) say downright terrible things about a man who has simply tried and succeeded in giving African Americans something that they really wanted and needed; A genre or group of films where the cast looked liked them and they could relate to. You know it may not seem like such a big deal to white fanboys, but you have no idea how refreshing and wonderful it is to watch a movie where people whos skin is the same color as mine (and the movie is written by someone who looks like me as well) and know that we arent just going to be the "token minority charecter" . And when you say things like "i'll never watch a pice of shit tyler perry movie" or "tyler perrys is shitty director and writer" and would ask you if you've ever seen any of his movies, and weather or not your in a position to relate to them Because when you say that, your basically saying i "would not watch a piece of shit all black cast movie" and seeing as how we have to sit through the endless amount of shows and films that are just "Pretty white people with Problems" its nice to at least see pretty black people with problems.

I have no problem with movies with all or mostly black casts. Eve's Bayou and Love and Basketball are outstanding movies, but these movies are NOT good movies. It's the same basic movie made over and over again with a man dressed up as a woman and overacting.

I own the original Shaft. I love movies like Coffy. Do The Right Thing.

Tyler's movie annoy me in a rom com type of way for some reason.

You should see my family when they see me watch the above films listed though. I have an extremely racist family.

I want to see movies with black casts. Movies that don't have to resort mindless violence or stereotypical stuff that you see in a movie like Friday. What I've seen from Tyler Perry, I don't feel he does the job. As I said, I get annoyed in a rom com type of ways. Sure, those movies at times might hit on the struggles of a relationship, but overall they feel dumbed down and annoy me.

[AmunRaTRON]

But let me guess, you still think I'm a racist for not liking Perry's "movies."

YES! And you don't like kittens, sunsets, ice cream or puppies!
lol of course not! just because you don't like him doesn't make you a racist.

The point of my original post was just to say that there is unnecessary animosity Aimed toward Tyler perry, and i later compounded it by trying to provide some insight from a black perspective who does like his movies as to why you may not be able to appreciate them. it has very little to do with racism and more so to do with the disconnect between Tyler's movies and white audience and even some black audiences.

[The Postmaster General]

Give me a break. Here are two personal opinions.

1. Tyler Perry's films suck ass. I've seen two of them and I won't watch another one because they are simply unfunny and a waste of time. The man's message contains too much reverse racism and it's poorly portrayed. His talent on a scale from 1 - 10? A 1.

2. Spike Lee is my all time favorite director. His talent on a scale from 1 - 10? A 10.

But let me guess, you still think I'm a racist for not liking Perry's "movies."




See, I told you all A-Tron wasn't pandering to White Guilt.

[Preston_79]

I find Tyler Perry fucking hilarious. I really don't understand why some people don't like being stereotyped in the name of humor. Stereotypes by and large are reality, they don't get plucked out of thin air. Tyler Perry is doing what can't be done by a white guy, using the stereotypes for laughs. I don't think many white people have even watched a Tyler Perry movie becuase they see most of the cast is black and Latino. That's a shame becuase it's softcore Dave Chappelle and you know us crackers loves us some Dave Chappelle.

[pablo_super1!]

Wel goin from what I've seen, I don't like Tyler Perry. Now its obvious like everyones said, that his target audience is black. But still his films are full of stereotypes and are just not funny, and un-entertaining to me.

Now I read the comment about most people on this board taking Chris Rock's monologue seriously, and that could be true, and yes I've noticed that there is a large amount of hate towards Perry from those who haven't seen his films.

Now I've seen about 3 of his films and only one of those was decent, that would be Daddy's Little girls. I also did want to see The Family that prays, because it looked like it might actually be a change from his other films and be decent.

Madea has to be one of the most annoying and racist films characters I've ever seen. Perry's show is absolutely terrible. Its not because the show is aimed at black audiences its because all the jokes are stereotypical and just plain not funny at all.

Now there are plenty of other tv shows aimed towards black audiences that aren't bad, that I actually enjoy for ex. The Game which is on BET and is actually an entertaining show.

Now I'm in High school and the school I attend is one of the most diverse schools in the US, I have many black friends who side with me that don't like Tyler Perry and think he's just unfunny, so I wouldn't like to see any fingers being pointed thinking I'm racist or something, oh and I'm not white I'm Mexican, just pointing that out.

[AmunRaTRON]

i would like to second that the game is Funny as shit!

[Cop No. 633]

Now I'm in High school and the school I attend is one of the most diverse schools in the US, I have many black friends who side with me that don't like Tyler Perry and think he's just unfunny, so I wouldn't like to see any fingers being pointed thinking I'm racist or something, oh and I'm not white I'm Mexican, just pointing that out.

I don't think anybody here has to justify their dislike for Tyler Perry if you saw his films and didn't enjoy them. Like I did. I saw one and half of another, but I wasn't interested. Mediocre family dramas just aren't my thing.

If you saw the movies and didn't like them, you are not racist. You don't have to bring up how many black friends you have or what other black filmmakers you like. It's pointless because that's not what the rant is really about.

He was being honest when he said that most people who really never shut up about Tyler Perry are usually white and never have watched his movies. I think people have blown the race thing completely out of proportion in this rant.

[pablo_super1!]

I may not have to have to say if I have black friends or not, but going from past occurences on these boards I wouldn't want an argument to occur over someone throwing around the word racist.

Now on me saying another television show, I was simply drawing a comparison of another show that is primarily aimed at black audiences that isn't bad. I never stated any specific filmmakers that are black.

I understand what his rant is about and yes I do agree with him a bit, on how Tyler Perry is un-justifiably hated on by many people who have never seen his films, so okay maybe I did go a bit far on what I was saying and sharing the reasons that I personally dislike Perry.

[The Postmaster General]

Does anyone here feel that Woody Allen could also be said to rely on stereotyped humor for laughs (in his case, Jews)?

[Smiert Spionam]

I am a black man/admitted "fan boy" and if I ever saw Tyler Perry in public, I'd punch him in the fuckin' face. I will be the first to admit that I haven't seen any of his films in full (I have seen a few scenes here and there because my mom likes him), but considering that all the comedic ones are exactly like his television shows, I don't need to see him. Tyler Perry's TV shows (House Of Payne and Meet The Browns) are easily some of the most racist shit I've ever seen in my life. It's downright infuriating...

Fuck Tyler Perry.

[Tweek]

I find Tyler Perry fucking hilarious. I really don't understand why some people don't like being stereotyped in the name of humor. Stereotypes by and large are reality, they don't get plucked out of thin air. Tyler Perry is doing what can't be done by a white guy, using the stereotypes for laughs. I don't think many white people have even watched a Tyler Perry movie becuase they see most of the cast is black and Latino. That's a shame becuase it's softcore Dave Chappelle and you know us crackers loves us some Dave Chappelle.

I'm sorry...No. Stereotypes are meant to generalize entire groups of people. They are reality for some but not all members of a culture or race (or what have you) in question. "By and large", my foot.

[The Postmaster General]

Doesn't Perry claim that most of his characters are based on his family and friends?

[rocknblues81]

Do people really want to see characters on a movie that's just like them?

I tend to like gangster type movies and I'm nothing like them.

[Preston_79]

I'm sorry...No. Stereotypes are meant to generalize entire groups of people. They are reality for some but not all members of a culture or race (or what have you) in question. "By and large", my foot.

Nothing wrong with generalizing a group of people in a comedy film. It's harmless. Take it with a grain of salt. Laugh because stereotypes are often funny.

My gay roommate buying a little dog and dying it pink, that's funny. Driving by the mostly black baptist church and seeing 90% Cadillacs parked outside, that's funny. I guess I'm easily amused.

[Danger^Cart]

God I fucking hate Tyler Perry for no reason whatsoever.

[Tweek]

Nothing wrong with generalizing a group of people in a comedy film. It's harmless. Take it with a grain of salt. Laugh because stereotypes are often funny.

I was taking offense to "Stereotypes by and large are reality, they don't get plucked out of thin air." not so much that they're used for comedy. I dunno, maybe I don't care for Perry's execution?

[adamjohnson]

I just dont like him because he's black.

[the clever guy]

Well, thank you adamjohnson...you have thus turned this "rant" onto its ass.


Anywho, let me explain that I'm NOT one of those people that are outright justiying that Tyler Perry is racist or not...I just find it bullshit that there has to be a seperate, almost segregated if you will, genre of films towards a different race. Have I watched a Tyler Perry film? Again, no. Will I? Probably not? Why not? It just doesn't seem like my type of thing. Although I might be delving elsewhere with this next point, as people might be looking at me a different way...I enjoyed the fuck out of 'Friday.' I laughed my balls right off. I'm honestly at the moment trying to think of one white person in that flick...and I can't. There could be one in it, but I can't think of one.

My point with that is that some "all-black" films do appeal to me. Sure, I only mentioned one, but hey...it's a start and without going too far off-topic with films that portray an all-black cast, I thought I would share at least one movie to show that I'm not trying to sound like I'm biased towards Tyler's movies based on the target audience.

Now, I've been hearing a lot of fellow schmoes call "Madea" the character and Tyler's TV shows "racist." Is this really true? I mean, can examples be provided to back these claims? I do find it "funnny" that Tyler has to have an all-black cast for most, if not all, of his movies....whereas other, more respectable directors, can have a mixed race cast that appeals to EVERY race.

[SpiralEye]

"No what i need to do is maybe Clarify why and how you being white puts you at a disadvantage for understanding why you don't get it. Did you grow up around Black folks? I mean Really grow up around black folks? Not just a single friend or maybe your parents one-off coworkers? No? you didn't?"

For real, man? You blew your whole argument right there. You think all white people grow up middle class in suburbs? Huh. I see. But race isn't an issue here? That shit you spouted right there is racist. As fuck. Re-think your shit.

Have fun spending your time defending Tyler Perry. A venture well worth the effort, I'm sure.

[RustyRazor]

I like some of his movies.
But his most recent stuff seems just rushed out, cliched and pointless.
I went to see "Madea Goes To Jail".

Tyler Perry Productions...

In Association With Perry Tyler Associated...

A Tyler Perry Movie....

"Tyler Perry's Madea Goes To Tyler....To Jail"

It was a bad friggin' movie.
And the previous few felt uninspired to me as well.
I won't bash him because I don't "get" his movies.
I get them and I don't like how what he used to put in them he doesn't anymore.
It's the same common "man disrespects woman, gets revenge living well, enter crazy relative" formula over and over again and don't forget the usual buffoonery tossed in for effect.

He's much better than what he's producing.
He needs to get back to realizing that.

[The Postmaster General]

Just to recap...

Tyler Perry claims that his characters are based on his family and friends. So to deride his films for being nothing but stereotypes is kind of silly, especially since his family and friends seem to have no problem with it.

Woody Allen are full of Jewish stereotypes. No one has ever gone ape shit over it. Not even the black people who dislike his films.

To turn a Tyler Perry film into a reason to stand up against black stereotypes is probably a bigger indicator of using dislike of something as a platform to speak out against "racism" than it is that his films are shit because of stereotypes. Case in point, a lot of people like Woody Allen films and don't say anything about the stereotypes. A lot of people like Dave Chappelle show and say nothing about the stereotypes. People dislike Tyler Perry films and "OMG! He's stereotyping!!!"

It's kind of funny that, generally, only the negative or underwhelemed reviews of My Name is Bruce take issue with the stereotyping of fanboys. Tyler Perry makes characters based on his family and friends, which appear stereotypical in nature, and people who don't like his movies call it racist. Quentin Tarantino and Martin Scorsese write characters who drop n-bombs, date white women because "white bitches put up with shit that black bitches won't", etc... "...and fuck, people need to lighten up because they are just characters in a movie. That includes you Spike Lee, you blowhard!"

[outsyder]

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He gets it.

[Natty]

I've never seen a Tyler Perry movie, but I see where A-Tron is coming from in that people are too quick to criticise due to the fact that it has a lot of black characters and (I'm guessing) 'black' humour.


You cannot, no Rather you Should not compare An entire race of people to a group of people who follow a literary piece of fiction.

This statement is not true though. Perry's films are not aimed at 'an entire race' of people, to say that Perry's films are aimed at all black people is a major insult to black people.

[A.J. Hakari]

Just to recap...

Tyler Perry claims that his characters are based on his family and friends. So to deride his films for being nothing but stereotypes is kind of silly, especially since his family and friends seem to have no problem with it.

Woody Allen are full of Jewish stereotypes. No one has ever gone ape shit over it. Not even the black people who dislike his films.

To turn a Tyler Perry film into a reason to stand up against black stereotypes is probably a bigger indicator of using dislike of something as a platform to speak out against "racism" than it is that his films are shit because of stereotypes. Case in point, a lot of people like Woody Allen films and don't say anything about the stereotypes. A lot of people like Dave Chappelle show and say nothing about the stereotypes. People dislike Tyler Perry films and "OMG! He's stereotyping!!!"

It's kind of funny that, generally, only the negative or underwhelemed reviews of My Name is Bruce take issue with the stereotyping of fanboys. Tyler Perry makes characters based on his family and friends, which appear stereotypical in nature, and people who don't like his movies call it racist. Quentin Tarantino and Martin Scorsese write characters who drop n-bombs, date white women because "white bitches put up with shit that black bitches won't", etc... "...and fuck, people need to lighten up because they are just characters in a movie. That includes you Spike Lee, you blowhard!"

I see where you're coming from on this, Monsieur Bubba. But my complaint isn't so much that Tyler Perry generalizes his characters but that he has yet to tell an effective story with them. I enjoyed My Name Is Bruce because it was a gentle jabbing at Bruce Campbell and his fanboy audience that had no need for intensely complex characters. Perry, on the other hand, oversimplifies his characters and shoves them into a story that's just as dumbed-down.

There's no grey area when it comes to Perry's movies; you're either a saintly do-gooder or the sort of villain that would make Snidely Whiplash seem understated. It's just not interesting watching Perry's stories at work, since he puts his protagonists through the wringer and all but forces you at gunpoint to sympathize with them. His films feel overdone and not the slightest bit natural, which may not bother some but for me reeks of laziness, of taking the easy way out time and time again when it comes to dramatic resolution.

It sucks when I watch these and see what Tyler Perry is getting at, only for the cartoonish characters and overdramatic stories ruin any chances of true poignancy.

[Tony_Montana]

I live in Europe. Who's Tyler Perry?

As for it being a race thing... loads of black/minority-themed films get love here. New Jack City? etc

[Heisenberg]

I don't think he is THAT bad, sure his Madea Character is an annoying prick sometimes, but he does write some funny stuff.

[Abbie Normal]

You're asking this from a forum where a considerable number of people probably takes Chris Rock's "niggers and black people" monologue seriously.

Please clarify. Are you saying there is not a difference between good white people and white trash & black people and people from Niger?


Tyler Perry is good at what he does. I don't watch his movies, but he is still a genius.

[The Postmaster General]

I see where you're coming from on this, Monsieur Bubba. But my complaint isn't so much that Tyler Perry generalizes his characters but that he has yet to tell an effective story with them. I enjoyed My Name Is Bruce because it was a gentle jabbing at Bruce Campbell and his fanboy audience that had no need for intensely complex characters. Perry, on the other hand, oversimplifies his characters and shoves them into a story that's just as dumbed-down.

There's no grey area when it comes to Perry's movies; you're either a saintly do-gooder or the sort of villain that would make Snidely Whiplash seem understated. It's just not interesting watching Perry's stories at work, since he puts his protagonists through the wringer and all but forces you at gunpoint to sympathize with them. His films feel overdone and not the slightest bit natural, which may not bother some but for me reeks of laziness, of taking the easy way out time and time again when it comes to dramatic resolution.

It sucks when I watch these and see what Tyler Perry is getting at, only for the cartoonish characters and overdramatic stories ruin any chances of true poignancy.


Your criticisms are actually based on something other than "Oh gosh! If I was black, this would be offensive!" Not to mention, and this is the key for me, you've actually seen his movies and aren't just defecating on them because they don't appeal to you and instead of just saying so, playing out like you're the white Spike Lee.

[BigSugar]

I've only seen one Tyler Perry movie, and I didn't think it was great, but it wasn't Uwe Fucking Boll either. Here's the thing; I love that this guy is successful. I hope he gets to make movies for decades to come and that they all make fucktons of money. Because he is how I want all future film makers to think. "Hollywood won't give me a chance? Fuck it. I'll do it on my own." Say what you will about the quality of his writing or how Medea is offensive, the guy has found his audience and plays to them. As tastes change, he won't last, nothing ever does. But I hope that he continues as long as he can. And with any luck, he'll get better, hone his style and maybe even stretch out a little creatively so that he can include other genre elements in his films. I think Tyler Perry is a helluva good film maker in that he knows how to win an audience.

And yes, I'm white. And from the South. Suck on that.

[rocknblues81]

I've only seen one Tyler Perry movie, and I didn't think it was great, but it wasn't Uwe Fucking Boll either. Here's the thing; I love that this guy is successful. I hope he gets to make movies for decades to come and that they all make fucktons of money. Because he is how I want all future film makers to think. "Hollywood won't give me a chance? Fuck it. I'll do it on my own." Say what you will about the quality of his writing or how Medea is offensive, the guy has found his audience and plays to them. As tastes change, he won't last, nothing ever does. But I hope that he continues as long as he can. And with any luck, he'll get better, hone his style and maybe even stretch out a little creatively so that he can include other genre elements in his films. I think Tyler Perry is a helluva good film maker in that he knows how to win an audience.

And yes, I'm white. And from the South. Suck on that.

Britney Spears has an audience and so does William Hung probably. No, he's no Uwe Boll, but if you got to go down that far to start complementing the guy, it's pretty much a handicapped complement anyway.

[The Postmaster General]

Something else BigSugar mentioned that draws comparison to Boll is that they both come up with ways to make the movies they want to make. As bad as I thought Postal was, I still give the dude props for taking that route. I think Sugar made a good point on how filmmakers deserve props for that, and I add especially so with all the shit everyone talks about Hollywood studios ruining the industry.

[BigSugar]

Britney Spears has an audience and so does William Hung probably.


Well, yeah. What's your point? Despite what they pass around in film school, finding an audience isn't the worst thing in the world. Tarantino has an audience. Rodriguez, Scorsese, Bergman, Felini, even fucking Renny Harlin had an audience. People liking something doesn't automatically disqualify it from being good. Yes, there are tons of examples of really popular shit, but again, so what? Tyler Perry has scored a niche that continues to see his movies and plays, God bless him for it. We should all be so lucky.

Right now, it looks like Hollywood is gonna go the way of the music industry. As film fans, that's some bad fucking news, 'cause it means lots more remakes and sequels. Very little risk taking. But, wait a second. Here comes Tyler Perry with successful films, made on a modest budget that follow one man's voice and vision. If Hollywood's narrow doors are closing completely, then why would the notion of a guy who does his own thing and makes it work be bad? Even if you dislike the films he makes, the fact that he gets to make them and send them out to a broad audience is worthy of respect in my book.

And you never know; Mr. Perry could very well open up an avenue for film makers to come back with a vengeance and swallow Hollywood for the last time. I doubt it, but anything's possible in this, the best of all possible worlds.

[BlownCamaro]

Waste of space. I had to repair a pc in a customers home (middle aged black woman) a few months back and she was watching that crap show on TBS. She asked if I watched it and I said I did not (I did not tell her I loathe the smuck) and she admitted that is was not a good show but she watches it because it is "all about black people".

I guess if that is how you pick your entertainment that is fine but pick someone else to support, someone with talent maybe. Not just another guy who got famous dressing up in drag and acting like an annoying twat.

[Sgizzy316]

Tyler Perry isn't bad by any means, he is just repetitive. If he slows down on how much he produces per year he won't be as disliked.

[the_sneaker]

You're right. I bash Perry because his films don't appeal to me. The reasons his films don't appeal to me is because every single piece of his work is the same joke, over and over and over again. Therefore, I bash Perry because he cannot branch out.

I don't necessarily blame him for not wanting to branch out. Obviously, he's found a very profitable market; but while I won't blame him for staying with comfortable material, that does not mean I have a whole lot of respect for the guy.

[JimmmyChopblock]

I am utterly sick and tired of seeing and hearing fan boys bash Tyler Perry And his films because he appeals to a different audience than you. Im not going to pull punches here the main reason why he gets bashed is because he produces film targeted at Black audiences. Now before you start screaming " oh no he's pulling the race card out" hear me out. Hollywood has by and large always been weary of the black element,in television and in films, but it is obvious. Save for was on UPN there are very few Black ensemble television shows and even fewer films and still even fewer ones that are able to reach a broad audience. Tylers Films arent perfect. However they are good films that are well acted, CONNECT with its target audience and provide a good clean form of escapism for those its targeted to. and that's part of the issue it really hurts to see negative comments by Fanboy (whom we can only assume are white) say downright terrible things about a man who has simply tried and succeeded in giving African Americans something that they really wanted and needed; A genre or group of films where the cast looked liked them and they could relate to. You know it may not seem like such a big deal to white fanboys, but you have no idea how refreshing and wonderful it is to watch a movie where people whos skin is the same color as mine (and the movie is written by someone who looks like me as well) and know that we arent just going to be the "token minority charecter" . And when you say things like "i'll never watch a pice of shit tyler perry movie" or "tyler perrys is shitty director and writer" and would ask you if you've ever seen any of his movies, and weather or not your in a position to relate to them Because when you say that, your basically saying i "would not watch a piece of shit all black cast movie" and seeing as how we have to sit through the endless amount of shows and films that are just "Pretty white people with Problems" its nice to at least see pretty black people with problems.

So if I make a bunch of movies featuring an all-black cast that's full of the most painful cliches and loud annoying characters in the world - I'll make millions appealing to black audiences as well?

No one dislikes Tyler Perry's work because their not in his target audience. They dislike his work because it's godawful. Why would I watch that garbage when there are far better black writer/directors working today?