A Retort that annoys the ever-loving-fuck out of me

[APzombie]

This isn't a huge thing, but I've been hearing this a lot lately from friends, co-workers, schmoes, prostitutes, congressmen, etc.

Person A offers an opinion on a film, for this example, Public Enemy. They express how it disappointed them or how they did not enjoy it.

Person B responds with "What? You didn't like Public Enemy? Whatever, yeah, I bet Terminator Salvation is more for you. :rolleyes:"

likewise, for another example

Person A offers his/her opinion on Transformers 2 and expresses that they hated it.

Person B responds "Yeah ok, stick with Un Chien Andalou, let us enjoy popcorn movies."

People who retort with assumptions of films the other person enjoys to make a point should fucking stop. There are few critical responses more annoying.

[Smarmy Douche]

What? That retort annoys the ever-loving-fuck out of you? Well, you're just jealous!

[Tweek]

Yeah, I agree. I brought it up in a rant thread recently so I won't rant here. Just...I can't imagine being that personally offended that someone doesn't agree with me on a movie.

[Badbird]

Yeah, for a while, Transformers was the default response to anyone who didn't like a supposedly "smart" movie.

Get a grip.

That's just as bad as the "Well, you liked [Movie X], so that figures..." response.

[FireCaptain4]

A friend ofmine said this to me today, actually, regarding Transformers 2. I told him I rather disliked it and he came off with a "well, go and enjoy your French movies then, I'll stick with giant robots." He was referring to my love for Jean-Pierre Jeunet, which has zilch to do with my expectations on a Michael Bay film.

Anyway, we saw Bruno together and after seeing the new District 9 trailer, I pointed out to him and said, "now that's what I fucking want from a Sci-Fi film!"

AP, I agree that this retort is void.

[The Postmaster General]

It's like when you tell someone you didn't like a movie, so they respond by slapping you on the leg with their dick. Like, yeah, good comeback, asshole.

[Buck Turgidson]

Bubba, I think you're hanging out in the wrong kinds of theatres.

[SAI]

Just...I can't imagine being that personally offended that someone doesn't agree with me on a movie.
Well, I've not been personally offended, but from a recent (anonymous) comment on my blog in response to my Public Enemies review (which was mixed, with perhaps an accent to the negative.) I think I may personally offended someone in my inability to agree with them. Review here (www.24framez.blogspot.com)

Are you blind, buddy?
Did you get to close to the Biograph and were hit by richochets?
This is the best Depression-era ambience ever put on the screen and quit your petty squibbling.

Squibbling is a nice word, I wonder what it means.

[Abbie Normal]

I am pretty sure you do the same thing, but in a different way. I think that retort you are getting is based on what you say to people about movies and your low opinion of all those who do not agree with you.

[CyclicNightmare]

Sounds to me like you should stick to retorts like "Your mom" and let us enjoy popcorn retorts. Whatever, I bet "I know you are but what am I?" is more for you anyway.

[Pentangeli]

Yeah, that's a stupid comeback. One, i'm ashamed to say, I've been guilty of using.

[Natty]

It's understandable but yes, silly to think that if someone doesn't like a more artistic movie than they only like freakin dumb movies and that if someone doesn't enjoy a dumb movies than they will only enjoy artistic movies...I can cope with the critique most of the time though.

The Public Enemy is an awesome film.

[Cop No. 633]

I am pretty sure you do the same thing, but in a different way. I think that retort you are getting is based on what you say to people about movies and your low opinion of all those who do not agree with you.

Let's give it up for Abbie. *SLOW APPLAUSE*

[Mr.HyDe807]

"Well, you just didn't understand it!"

Yes, I did understand it, and I still didn't think it was that good. Get over it.

[g1ng3rsnap9ed]

...Or the oh-so terrible "Well, you just didn't like Transformers because you like gory movies." Granted, I do enjoy gory movies, but whether I enjoy that or not I still hate the guts out of Transformers...and michael bay.

[adamjohnson]

Its the only response the Transformers lovers can muster with their tiiiiny little brains.

:P

[Tweek]

Its the only response the Transformers lovers can muster with their tiiiiny little brains.

:P

Yes, because if someone doesn't like Transformers they're automatically brilliant? I hate the first one and most likely won't watch the second but even I think that comment silly.

[Servo]

I'm really glad someone finally decided to rant about this.

[Preston_79]

I get responses like these to my opinions all the time. These threads are for us to all share our opinions. People can disagree with them all they want.

Often if I give something a harsh review for a movie, director, actor/actress, or whatever, that some of the people who disagree with will immediately make a personal attack. It's like who is this thin skinned individual who come one here daily for years, but have to cut on me just because we disagree.


I didn't like Public Enemy "Oh, it was probably too smart for you"

I'm not into Kate Winslet "yeah, you probably wish they all looked like Megan Fox."


Shit like that. Listen, agree to disagree. Don't take my criticism as a personal attack on you, because it's not.

[Tweek]

I'm really glad someone finally decided to rant about this.

:(:(

[adamjohnson]

Yes, because if someone doesn't like Transformers they're automatically brilliant? I hate the first one and most likely won't watch the second but even I think that comment silly.

Its the comment most typed in the Transformers thread(s).

"I dont like transformers"
"Oh, go watch a Tarkovsky movie then! I wanna see shit explode!"

[FireCaptain4]

I truly believe that to be a healthy movie addict you need to have a healthy viewing diet. Artistic films are your vegetables and popcorn movies are your desert. You can watch Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen as long as you remember to watch There Will Be Blood later to make up for it.

[adamjohnson]

I truly believe that to be a healthy movie addict you need to have a healthy viewing diet. Artistic films are your vegetables and popcorn movies are your desert. You can watch Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen as long as you remember to watch There Will Be Blood later to make up for it.

Transformers and There Will be Blood are both equally shit, in my opinion.

Which is exactly my point. Jsut because I dont like "a certain film" doesnt mean I automatically love it's negative, it's antonym if you will.

For example, I dislike the color RED. Does that mean my favorite color is GREEN? (it's opposite)

No. It doesn't work that way.

[Danger^Cart]

In my experience people who enjoy stupid shit are usually stupid. That is, after all, the demographic that brand of entertainment is geared toward. It's not like it doesn't exist.

That being said, I don't believe it's the viewing/enjoyment of something asinine/idiotic/retarded/whatever that's really important, its the ability to recognize it's stupidity.

[Servo]

:(:(

It was facetiousness in your favor, Tweek. ;)

[FireCaptain4]

Transformers and There Will be Blood are both equally shit, in my opinion.

Which is exactly my point. Jsut because I dont like "a certain film" doesnt mean I automatically love it's negative, it's antonym if you will.

For example, I dislike the color RED. Does that mean my favorite color is GREEN? (it's opposite)

No. It doesn't work that way.

I follow you and the example I used wasn't meant to be specific. I could have said "Godzilla marathon in the morning but Coen Bros. movies in the afternoon." Everyone has their poison/guilty pleasures. There are films me and you can agree upon that are great films and then there are specific, opposite, films that are unique to us. I'm not sure if you like Godzilla but I've dug Big G since I was a wee lad.

Anyway, I find balance is the best way to handle a week of movie munching. I have my Thundercats Tuesdays and then The Wrestler Wednesdays, and such and so forth.

My favorite color is orange by the way. Underrated color, orange.

[FireCaptain4]

That being said, I don't believe it's the viewing/enjoyment of something asinine/idiotic/retarded/whatever that's really important, its the ability to recognize it's stupidity.

So, by recognizing Zardoz as softcore Scottish sci-fi porn, I'm not a pervert for watching it?

[Mr.HyDe807]

In my experience people who enjoy stupid shit are usually stupid.

I see where your at, but certain people who enjoy the stuff that isn't really enjoyable for me do have a knack for loving the stuff that I really wouldn't think of them enjoying it.

They are sort of the "Medium" people in terms of watching movies.

[The Postmaster General]

A long time back on these boards, I can't remember who, but someone said a proper response to someone saying a movie is too smart for you is:

"It's not over my head, it's under my radar."

I think in the opposite response might follow as, "It's not under my radar, it's over my head." -- Mainly just because that would be confusing and probably end any further badgering.

[Hey Man]

While it may not be polite to say so, it's clearly fair to say that there some people on this board that have shit taste when it comes to movies by any standard. It's the reality of life.

[John Galt]

That's like when I tell a hipster that I absolutely loathe indie rock and then his response goes something like, "Then stick to Top 40 dude".
Then I simply say, "Nah. They both suck."


I wish that art was 100% subjective; but it quite simply, isn't. There are certain fundamentals that have to be met before said piece of art can enter into the realm of subjective interpretation(i.e. me knocking on this desk with my knuckles without anything behind it besides angst just isn't music- it just isn't). And for those that say that it is are simply part of the mass that are perpetuating the retarded drivel that passes for art these days.

I definitely think a huge reason why popular movies and music became predominantly retarded is due to the abandonment of fundamentals(in favor of experimentation, trying to be cool, or what-have-you).

[Tweek]

While it may not be polite to say so, it's clearly fair to say that there some people on this board that have shit taste when it comes to movies by any standard. It's the reality of life.
It's true that it's impolite, but it's not 100% objective as you seem to be implying. What are you basing this on? Are you basing this on your own movie preferences?

[Hey Man]

It's true that it's impolite, but it's not 100% objective as you seem to be implying. What are you basing this on? Are you basing this on your own movie preferences?

Stop trying to be politically correct. Certainly there are shit movies that continue to get made, because people go to them and there is an audience for lowest form of entertainment. Regardless if it's taste in food, movies, music, clothes, cars, etc. - there are people on this Earth that have poor taste and wouldn't know quality if it bit them on the ass.

[The Postmaster General]

I definitely think a huge reason why popular movies and music became predominantly retarded is due to the abandonment of fundamentals(in favor of experimentation, trying to be cool, or what-have-you).

I don't know man, it seems like filmmakers have been experimenting and trying to be cool forever. You've mentioned before feeling Spielberg is a huge part of why popular music has become retarded, and I think he's the antithesis of what you describe. I would consider Michael Mann's Thief, to be more experimental than most movies of its time and type.

For me, a bigger part of it is a loss of stories to tell first and what you describe second. If that makes sense... if not I could expand a bit.

[Tweek]

Stop trying to be politically correct. Certainly there are shit movies that continue to get made, because people go to them and there is an audience for lowest form of entertainment. Regardless if it's taste in food, movies, music, clothes, cars, etc. - there are people on this Earth that have poor taste and wouldn't know quality if it bit them on the ass.

I wasn't trying to be "politically correct". (Was that supposed to be an order, by the way? :rolleyes:) I just didn't think you were being accurate.

[jeo4]

Stop trying to be politically correct. Certainly there are shit movies that continue to get made, because people go to them and there is an audience for lowest form of entertainment. Regardless if it's taste in food, movies, music, clothes, cars, etc. - there are people on this Earth that have poor taste and wouldn't know quality if it bit them on the ass.

It's not a politically correct statement, it's a question. How do you measure taste? Do you base this on your personal opinions?

While it may not be polite to say so, it's clearly fair to say that there some people on this board that have shit taste when it comes to movies by any standard. It's the reality of life.

Maybe you forgot the number one rule of this board. Not only is this post rude, but it comes off as a bit self righteous. Considering the company you keep here, I think you should reconsider this line of thinking.

[FireCaptain4]

While it may not be polite to say so, it's clearly fair to say that there some people on this board that have shit taste when it comes to movies by any standard. It's the reality of life.

Hey Man, that's going a little too far.

Just because someone likes a few movies that you don't doesn't mean they have "shit taste." Look at Ebert: he likes Carnosaur (and so did Sickle). That doesn't mean I appreciate and respect him and his opinions. As long as someone can professionally and reasonably explain as to why they enjoy what they enjoy, I have no problem with their taste.

The only time I do get a little cranky is when someone shrugs and says, “I like it just because.” That’s not a response, that‘s about ¼ of a sentence.

[blankpage]

It's like when you tell someone you didn't like a movie, so they respond by slapping you on the leg with their dick. Like, yeah, good comeback, asshole.

I would just like to say this made me laugh quite a bit.

But I have to agree. I've had this one pulled on me a lot. I usually end up mocking the person by sarcastically saying the same thing to them when they give their opinion, so I don't know if that makes me much better. I approve of this rant!

[John Galt]

I don't know man, it seems like filmmakers have been experimenting and trying to be cool forever. You've mentioned before feeling Spielberg is a huge part of why popular music has become retarded, and I think he's the antithesis of what you describe. I would consider Michael Mann's Thief, to be more experimental than most movies of its time and type.

For me, a bigger part of it is a loss of stories to tell first and what you describe second. If that makes sense... if not I could expand a bit.


I think you misunderstand me here. Experimentation still has proper fundamentals that must be respected. When you forsake plot in the name of experimenting simply for the sake of experimenting; I think at some point it just gets silly and you are left with a cypher of cinema.

It simply has been taken waaay too far from the days where experimentation actually meant something like Thief, THX-1138 or The Man Who Fell To Earth.

And I said that Spielberg helped to make popular movies retarded.
For music I simply blame (besides the artistic merit of popular music itself dropping down considerably due to colorless grunge, nasal vocals, and the wiggerdom done both by male and female artists) MTV, and the Media Conglomeration Act of 1996 signed by Clinton and Gore that gave corporations like ClearChannel et all unlimited ownership of all radio stations.

"If I wanted to be fashionable, I would grow a goatee, put a sock on my head, and forget how to tune or play my guitar. No thanks." - Joe Stump

[Hey Man]

It's not a politically correct statement, it's a question. How do you measure taste? Do you base this on your personal opinions?



Maybe you forgot the number one rule of this board. Not only is this post rude, but it comes off as a bit self righteous. Considering the company you keep here, I think you should reconsider this line of thinking.

If you consider this to be rude - it appears you don't have what I would call a strong stomach. I didn't say that my tastes were above others - what I said is there are clearly people here who do have a shit taste in movies. This is not a personal attack on any one person per se, but stating the factual odds. Everyone knows this to be the case, but are just being kind.

Let me put it to you this way - all those recent parody movies ala Disaster Movie, Superhero Movie, etc. are ALL fucking shit by any real standard, but I bet your ass that there is someone on this board that can't get enough of them. These are shit movies no matter which way you look at them.

People have become pussies. Because regardless if you want to believe it or not, there are people who do have better taste in things than other people. But it's like being a connoisseur in something has become a bad thing - because you might upset someone who thinks Denny's makes the best steak known to man or the Ernest movies are comedy gold.

[john_rambo]

It's all your opinion it is ignorant to judge someone if they like a movie. So what if they do? Does it really have that much bearing on your life that you can say they have bad taste. I am a STallone fan like you, but some may say a majority of his movies are shit. What makes those people wrong about that and you right when you judge someone's taste.

[Badbird]

It's like this:

McDonald's is the most popular food in the country.

That doesn't mean it's actually good for you.

But sometimes it's pretty damn tasty.

[John Galt]

I thought it was pizza...


...Pizza tasted so much better in the 80's and early 90's.

[MightyCelestial]

The term "popcorn movies" used to descibe fun escapist movies that while not great, weren't really all that bad.
Now it seems to be used to describe really bad movies that are popular.

[jeo4]

If you consider this to be rude - it appears you don't have what I would call a strong stomach. I didn't say that my tastes were above others - what I said is there are clearly people here who do have a shit taste in movies. This is not a personal attack on any one person per se, but stating the factual odds. Everyone knows this to be the case, but are just being kind.

Let me put it to you this way - all those recent parody movies ala Disaster Movie, Superhero Movie, etc. are ALL fucking shit by any real standard, but I bet your ass that there is someone on this board that can't get enough of them. These are shit movies no matter which way you look at them.

People have become pussies. Because regardless if you want to believe it or not, there are people who do have better taste in things than other people. But it's like being a connoisseur in something has become a bad thing - because you might upset someone who thinks Denny's makes the best steak known to man or the Ernest movies are comedy gold.

Who gives a shit if people like bad movies? A huge number of people here laughed their asses off at the premise of "Snakes On A Plane". There were "mutha fuckin' snakes" jokes all over this board for weeks before anyone heard Sam Jackson use the phrase in the movie. And I'm willing to lay out odds that most people got a huge laugh out of it. And I'll even go so far as to bet that many if not most own the DVD. And there's not one thing wrong with that.

Calling people pussies because they want to be respectful is just the opposite. And my stomach is strong enough that I don't have to insult other peoples taste because I disagree. Taste is subjective. If you don't like it, that's too bad. But the rules here are specific, opinion or not.

[Hey Man]

Who gives a shit if people like bad movies? A huge number of people here laughed their asses off at the premise of "Snakes On A Plane". There were "mutha fuckin' snakes" jokes all over this board for weeks before anyone heard Sam Jackson use the phrase in the movie. And I'm willing to lay out odds that most people got a huge laugh out of it. And I'll even go so far as to bet that many if not most own the DVD. And there's not one thing wrong with that.

Calling people pussies because they want to be respectful is just the opposite. And my stomach is strong enough that I don't have to insult other peoples taste because I disagree. Taste is subjective. If you don't like it, that's too bad. But the rules here are specific, opinion or not.

People who say taste is subjective are people who usually have bad taste or don't know quality when they see it. Regardless if you want to believe it or not, someone having bad taste when it comes to food, clothes, movies and music exists in this world.

If you want to play the politically correct game - that's your business, but the reality is - good taste is something that is acquired, not something you are born with despite everyone thinking they have good taste.

There is a reason why certain restaurants, clothiers, wines, etc. are considered the absolute best in a particular city or even in the world. Do you know where to go to get the best steak or get the best in clothing if I came to your city? Every industry has their lists of the best of the best, but the reality is that Joe Public isn't aware of such things and prefers to enjoy the worst of the worst across the board.

[john_rambo]

Yeah but if I like fine dining at a 5 star restaurant does that not mean I can't like Taco Bell? The reasoning is flawed. Movies are subjective no matter what it is, no one is ever wrong for liking or disliking a movie.

[Hey Man]

Yeah but if I like fine dining at a 5 star restaurant does that not mean I can't like Taco Bell? The reasoning is flawed. Movies are subjective no matter what it is, no one is ever wrong for liking or disliking a movie.

The point being is that most of the general public wouldn't know a 5 star restaurant if you asked them to recommend one and think Taco Bell is tops. I am not saying you can't enjoy McDonalds or Taco Bell or clothes from Wal Mart or a Rob Schneider movie - but people need to stop pretending that there are not people out there that have the worst taste in everything.

[jeo4]

People who say taste is subjective are people who usually have bad taste or don't know quality when they see it.

Reads just like another veiled insult.

Just so you catch it this time, this hasn't got jack shit to do with being PC. Opinions differ. I don't care what taste you are born with OR acquire. It is still subjective.

And it's not about food or clothing either. It's art. Taste in music, movies, sculptures, etc. are all open to debate. That's why it's called art. Fads happen all the time and then disappear into the woodwork. Who are you to criticize anyone for taste?

Answer the question this time...how do you measure taste? Are you using your personal preferences as the standard of comparison? I want to know how you're so sure of your answer.

[Hey Man]

Reads just like another veiled insult.

Just so you catch it this time, this hasn't got jack shit to do with being PC. Opinions differ. I don't care what taste you are born with OR acquire. It is still subjective.

And it's not about food or clothing either. It's art. Taste in music, movies, sculptures, etc. are all open to debate. That's why it's called art. Fads happen all the time and then disappear into the woodwork. Who are you to criticize anyone for taste?

Answer the question this time...how do you measure taste? Are you using your personal preferences as the standard of comparison? I want to know how you're so sure of your answer.

I will answer your question with a question: how are 5 star hotels measured, how are 5 star restaurants measured, why isn't Wal Mart clothing better quality than Armani? Why is there an AFI that determine the best films of all time? The fact of the matter is all things in life has various degrees of quality or lack thereof. There are people out there who simply don't know the difference.

So when some white trash girl wears a dress that barely covers any actual skin and she is also wearing stripper heels - thinking she looks classy, are you saying that she may have good taste in clothes, because taste is subjective?

[jeo4]

Did you miss the part where I said it was about art? Not food or clothing? I was even specific here...mentioning movies, music, sculpture, etc.

I can only assume you aren't going to give me a straight answer. My only retort to your question is that even with standards of measure in whatever trendy rag is popular at the time, tastes still change. Nothing stays constant. And it's still subjective.

Hell, I get what you're saying and I know that standards are typically there for the public...it doesn't change my position though. Just because I have higher/lower standards or a different idea of what art is doesn't make me better or worse than the next guy. Sorry, it just doesn't.

[Terminal_83]

Two of my favorite retorts of all time based on their sheer lunacy and tendency to be used quite often by moronic movie goers:

"You didn't like the movie? Well you're just jealous of the director."

And a classic:

"You hated this? Well I'd like to see you make a movie."

Amazing.

[Flickman]

I guess I have high and low standards.

I like smooth jazz and some classical..but I dig the hell out of Kid Rocks song "LOW-LIFE"...spent my rent money on a kiss tattoo..racist jokes are funny...etc..I laugh my ass off.

[The Postmaster General]

Or when someone sings the "Welcome Back, Kotter" theme song for no apparent reason.

[DaveyJoeG]

Whoa, lots of former schmoes in this thread!

[NathanRomano]

Here's another one I've heard a lot recently.

I loved it because (insert Channing Tatum or whoever here) is sooooo hotttt.

I literally heard this, too: It doesn't look that good at all, but Channing Tatum is hot so I'm going to see it. (Why can't you just go look at his picture) Cause you can't see him, like, with his shirt off being all emotional.

[Luke-Abbott]

Maybe you forgot the number one rule of this board. Not only is this post rude, but it comes off as a bit self righteous. Considering the company you keep here, I think you should reconsider this line of thinking.

Not only the number 1 rule on these boards but also the number 1 rules in life; it all boils down to respect of people and their differing opinions. Everyone is different, not one person is the same and if nobody can live with the fact that people have a different opinion than theirs then they need to take some anger management classes, or take a vacation, or something.

It's not just respecting the persons opinion (wherever they agree or not) but the person themselves, which most people don't seem to have.

[Buck Turgidson]

Two of my favorite retorts of all time based on their sheer lunacy and tendency to be used quite often by moronic movie goers:

"You didn't like the movie? Well you're just jealous of the director."I've had variations of that one used against me here. By Schmoes.

If anyone has read my posts, they know I don't really hold a lot back, especially if I dislike an actor or director. Julia Roberts, Mel Gibson, Paul Thomas Anderson and many others have all gotten blasted by me here.

A while ago someone (I don't remember who) claimed in Gossip that I was jealous of Cameron Diaz because I was expounding at length about how her face looks like an open sore (which it does.) I don't know if I was supposed to be envious of her getting fucked by Justin Timberlake or having an IQ around 68 or what, but that was the claim.

[Dutchman]

I've had variations of that one used against me here. By Schmoes.

If anyone has read my posts, they know I don't really hold a lot back, especially if I dislike an actor or director. Julia Roberts, Mel Gibson, Paul Thomas Anderson and many others have all gotten blasted by me here.

A while ago someone (I don't remember who) claimed in Gossip that I was jealous of Cameron Diaz because I was expounding at length about how her face looks like an open sore (which it does.) I don't know if I was supposed to be envious of her getting fucked by Justin Timberlake or having an IQ around 68 or what, but that was the claim.

http://uploads.filecabin.com/pictures/camerondiaz-ugly.jpg

Bitch please, you be jelous of my sexay body

[BadCoverVersion]

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A while ago someone (I don't remember who) claimed in Gossip that I was jealous of Cameron Diaz because I was expounding at length about how her face looks like an open sore (which it does.) I don't know if I was supposed to be envious of her getting fucked by Justin Timberlake or having an IQ around 68 or what, but that was the claim.

Hahahahaha.

[Terminal_83]

I've had variations of that one used against me here. By Schmoes.

If anyone has read my posts, they know I don't really hold a lot back, especially if I dislike an actor or director. Julia Roberts, Mel Gibson, Paul Thomas Anderson and many others have all gotten blasted by me here.

A while ago someone (I don't remember who) claimed in Gossip that I was jealous of Cameron Diaz because I was expounding at length about how her face looks like an open sore (which it does.) I don't know if I was supposed to be envious of her getting fucked by Justin Timberlake or having an IQ around 68 or what, but that was the claim.

I got that a lot while criticizing Eli Roth's movie. People kept insisting I was jealous because I wanted to direct movies.

The weird thing is I'm not a director, I don't aspire to be one, and I don't want to be one.

Sigh.