Big Tobacco Is Going To KILL US ALL...according to some.

[the_sneaker]

Just watched Watchmen again for the second time (and found that I enjoyed it a lot more this time around). I don't usually sit through the credits of movies, but they were still rolling as I came back inside after a smoke. As I sat back down I noticed the following...and could not help but go, "Are you fucking kidding me?"

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/trmccleve/Really-1.jpg

This rant isn't aimed towards the film, or the studio in general, but more towards society. Have we really come so far as a society that we have to admit that an actor did not receive money to smoke on screen; that Big Tobacco was not making shady deals in dark alleys with Jeffrey Dean Morgan and briefcases full of money to try and make smoking look cool?

Hey, society, we know smoking is bad for our health.
We appreciate the fact that you're looking out for the well being of others.
While I won't speak for others, I do admit that some of your campaigns have made me think twice about smoking.

But for fucks sake...forcing us to go so far as to make it sound like a legal issue is just ridiculous. How did it get this far as to having to prove that, "Hey, man, I just wanted to smoke while on camera...no one paid me, I swear! Please, don't hurt me!"

Enough is enough...just stop. It really is common knowledge that the use of tobacco is pretty much a guarantee that you are going to fuck your body up. We get the point.

Just leave us be!

[Shinigami]

Not until people like you stop smoking, aka molesting babies

[the_sneaker]

Not until people like you stop smoking, aka molesting babies

Who let you in on the secret?!

Dammit! Now everything has gone to hell! :D

[Abbie Normal]

Great rant. You can thank the liberals.

[someguy]

I'd say the people responsible for this are the ones for protecting the children and families. The same type who fight for TV to not have any swearing or nudity. I don't see the need to politicize this thread though.

[John Galt]

Politics are everywhere. Don't pretend that this is different.

And yes, this is due to the "liberals".

[Badbird]

That's almost as bad as the warnings about street racing they put on all the Fast & Furious movies.

[the_sneaker]

I'd say the people responsible for this are the ones for protecting the children and families.

You know, I never had a problem with people wanting to stop the advertising of tobacco aimed at children. That, too me, was just fucked up: trying to make young kids think smoking is cool. I totally got behind that cause.

But, now, I think they've just taken it too far.

That's almost as bad as the warnings about street racing they put on all the Fast & Furious movies.

Ha ha. Yeah, that was just stupid.

[The Postmaster General]

As long as it doesn't mention that no animals were harmed, I'm cool.

[Abbie Normal]

That's almost as bad as the warnings about street racing they put on all the Fast & Furious movies.

Or warnings when they show Jackass or South Park.

[Spice]

Should they not do the same with guns/explosives/drugs then?

No person or entity associated with this film received payment or anything of value for looking hard and cool on screen with a Beretta/Colt/Glock/Smith and Wesson/crack pipe/joint/some C4/a nuke. . .
Such a message proves that society has gone completely mental and bows down to people who continually whinge and moan. Still we are lucky they are there to 'protect us'"" fuck them

[Bahs]

Tranformers 2:
WARNING:
You cannot really outrun explosions.

[The Heart Collector]

The reason it goes that far is self-evident: because the tobacco companies used to do that.

[echo_bravo]

Great rant. You can thank the liberals.

Hmmm is it really just liberals though? I thought it was both conservatives and liberals that were behind the Truth.com ads. I thought they joined forces or something. :confused: I could be very wrong though.

I think conservatives and liberals are very much alike, because they both try to make people feel guilty/bad about what they do.

[razgriz21]

Too much of this moralistic agenda pushed on everyone.

Next will be soft drinks, alcohol, fast cars, sexy women, and weapons.

[someguy]

Hmmm is it really just liberals though? I thought it was both conservatives and liberals that were behind the Truth.com ads. I thought they joined forces or something. :confused: I could be very wrong though.

I think conservatives and liberals are very much alike, because they both try to make people feel guilty/bad about what they do.

This is what I was saying. These are moral crusaders pushing this stuff around, the ones who want the FCC to fine everyone millions if they say 'fuck' on network TV uncensored. Immediately blaming this on liberals or conservatives is dumb.

[razgriz21]

Moral crusaders drive me bat **** crazy.

[Abbie Normal]

Hmmm is it really just liberals though? I thought it was both conservatives and liberals that were behind the Truth.com ads. I thought they joined forces or something. :confused: I could be very wrong though.

I think conservatives and liberals are very much alike, because they both try to make people feel guilty/bad about what they do.

Hell no! Truth.com is totally all about the liberals. When it comes to anything political follow the money. The tobacco lobbyists funded the the Republicans for many years. So why would the Republicans want in on truth.com? The movie industry is run by liberals. Liberal help other liberal with their liberal causes. This is nothing more than one liberal group helping out the other and slap that disclaimer in the credits.

In general, until recently if some sort of public service message had anything to do with moral values (abortion) conservatives put it out. If the message is trying to hurt the business of an industry then the liberals put it out. Conservatives have always been on the side of business. Liberals have always (although not anymore) been on the side of non profit organizations and groups.

Politics is always about money.

[Abbie Normal]

This is what I was saying. These are moral crusaders pushing this stuff around, the ones who want the FCC to fine everyone millions if they say 'fuck' on network TV uncensored. Immediately blaming this on liberals or conservatives is dumb.

The "moral crusaders" who work with the FCC are conservatives. The people behind the Watchmen credits line are liberals.

[the_sneaker]

Abbie, I respect your opinions (and have to say that I agree with you on many points), but I did not mean for this thread to turn into "How Many Times Can I Say Liberals In a Single Post?"

I was more aiming towards my general hatred/annoyance of what echo_bravo was pointing out: that people/organizations/entities will go so very far to try and make others feel guilty or bad for a personal choice.

The reason it goes that far is self-evident: because the tobacco companies used to do that.

THC, you're exactly right on that point. The advertising of cigarettes used to be fucking ridiculous. However, it's been quite a while since advertising the use of tobacco products towards children would fly (hell, even advertising the use of tobacco in general). I mean, my six-year-old niece loves to point out the fact that a) I smell like smoke whenever I come back inside after having one and b) that smoking will, in fact, kill me. Anybody in our society who does not know that cigarettes are harmful for them are, for the lack of a better term, retarded...(okay, "ignorant" may have worked there, but I'm annoyed so I'll say something politically incorrect).

That message played during the end credits may have been necessary at one time, but these days? All it tells me is that companies in general have to go so far out of their way just to make sure they don't get sued by some aggravated group of people. That is what annoys me.

[Abbie Normal]

Abbie, I respect your opinions (and have to say that I agree with you on many points), but I did not mean for this thread to turn into "How Many Times Can I Say Liberals In a Single Post?"

I was more aiming towards my general hatred/annoyance of what echo_bravo was pointing out: that people/organizations/entities will go so very far to try and make others feel guilty or bad for a personal choice.
.

OK, sorry. I am done.

[drc5145]

Funny you bring up Watchmen in the smoking debate because I remember reading online that Warner Bros. head honcho Alan Horn had director Zack Snyder axe a detail from the movie, that being the main female character, Laurie, being a smoker. In the book, she's a smoker but Horn forced Snyder to cut the tiny aspect out because Horn hates smoking.

I find that to be a pretty funny (and practically hypocritical) spot, considering you had The Comedian and Big Figure smoking cigars, yet Laurie had to go cold turkey, and this being a film about flawed superheroes and human beings, and containing murder, attempted rape, cursing, assault, torture and nuclear destruction.

EDIT: The article: http://io9.com/5156140/warner-bros-forced-watchmens-laurie-to-go-cold-turkey

[John Galt]

I think conservatives and liberals are very much alike, because they both try to make people feel guilty/bad about what they do.

It's like telling the difference between the Yankees and the Mets.

What you say is true. Both of them try to legislate morality. Conservatives tend to try to establish a social morality(or what the left just generalizes as morality) and liberals try to establish economic morality.
What they both tend to forget is that government was never supposed to get involved in moral arguments.

Censorship is also the province of both of these "sides". The religious right and moral majority tend to get involved on the conservative side. Political Correctness, which is every bit as insidious as religion and farther reaching, V-Chips, internet censoring, and anti-smoking acts are on the part of the liberals.

I just think on the conservative side it is more obvious and on the "liberal" side it is packaged differently and misleading since they state that they represent the side of free speech.

What a fucking joke.

[APzombie]

if i were the head of a major tobacco corporation i'd go after WB and be like "let's sign a contract! I want the one who shot the pregnant woman to smoke nothing but our product!"

[the_sneaker]

if i were the head of a major tobacco corporation i'd go after WB and be like "let's sign a contract! I want the one who shot the pregnant woman to smoke nothing but our product!"

Because nothing says dead babies like Big Tobacco :D

[Scarface98.9]

It all kinda reminds me of that debate where various anti-smoking groups want any movie with smoking to be an automatic R. I'm an anti-smoker but even that's overkill