2012

[countchocula]

This is similar to the conspiracy thread, but I feel like the apocalypse deserves its own space. Does anyone buy into the Mayan stuff? Some of you are Christians, so you must believe in an end times of some sort. Every Christian I've ever talked to about Armageddon has told me different things. So when are we going to explode?

[QUENTIN]

I think it's basically Y2K redux.

Even believing that Mayans thought 2012 would be Armageddon is a misunderstanding of their calendar's signifigance. It's much ado about nothing.

Though if I'm wrong and we're wiped out by Bruckheimer-sized globs of space fire, I'll owe the 2012er's a coke.

[Smarmy Douche]

I wonder how many of these 2012 people were also Y2K people. The apocalypse fetish a lot of people have is really sad.

My favorite teacher and mentor is an anthropologist, he spent thirty years of his life in South and Central America studying cultures and texts, and knows this thing is at best a gross misunderstanding of the Mayan calendar and at worst a total falsification of it.

The 2012 people know as much about Mayan culture and astronomy as the Y2K people knew about software.

[g1ng3rsnap9ed]

I don't believe in the Apocolypse. But if I did I'd like to imagine it being oddly beautiful, despite what was going on, totally paradoxical. I also don't think it would be scary like people say it will be, but I picture it being almost relieving, to shed our skins and move on to whatever metaphysical plane lies beyond. For some reason I'm envisioning something to do with the skies...but that's probably just the ending of my book talking. :p

Or what if the world just blinked out, like an inverted Big Bang? Everything would just end before we'd even know what had come, that wouldn't be so bad.

...I think about this a lot, if you couldn't already tell. :D

[Vong]

I think it's basically Y2K redux.

That's basically what I boil it down to. Come late 2012 people are going to go apeshit over nothing and laugh at themselves aftterwards for being so stupid.

[outsyder]

I think it's basically Y2K redux.

The Y2K concerns were at least based a thin string of logic. This is just ridiculous.

[Derek237]

I think it's good to keep an open mind about it. I don't completely believe all this 2012 talk, but I wouldn't brush it off as another Y2K scare, either. I've talked to some people who are much better-informed on the subject than I am, and from what I've gathered it doesn't necessarily mean the world will end. It could be a significant date for a significant change in the world as we know it, the ending of one cycle and the beginning of the other, a new age of enlightenment; something like that.

And so what if the world does end? Is it really that inplausable that the end of the world could happen in our lifetimes? It's a tiny blue dot floating around somewhere in the infinite universe. The world could end tomorrow, who knows?

But I know that I'm not going to start repenting all my sins and drink kool-aid with arsenic in December 2012 or panic myself and find an underground bunker. I'm just going to keep on living my life exactly as I am now, and if there does happen to be an apocalypse, armageddon, whatever you want to call it, I doubt I'll have time to be particularly upset about it because I'm sure it will all be over very quickly anyway.

And that's all I really have to say about it. It's a waste of time to give it any more thought, even if you believe it all. Life is precious and I don't need some ominous prophecies of a possible forthcoming apocalypse to remind me of that.

[Abbie Normal]

I am going to party like it is 1999.

[jolanar]

Isn't this 'end of the world' suppose to happen like every 52 years in the Mayan calendar?

[rilocay]

Yeah i don't think the 'end of the world' will happen, not liek an apocalypse atleast. I was reading up somwhere though that a bunch of planets will be alligning on that date in 2012 and supposedly fuck up the earth's/our magnetism. I think if that were true, shit would fuck up for sure lol. Also read some theories that some people will develop stuff like telepathy amongst other things.

While i have a romanticism to these sorts of things, i think our world is fucked up enouhg as it is for any of this stuf to happen. Plus, i'm still so young, i don't want the world to end and cut my life short! :P

[Darth Kenshin]

as has been said, Mayan culture is more complicated than the 2012 people are making it out to be... you can't oversimplify it to this extent. Anyway, as any one whose been to the Religion thread knows, I'm religious, so I don't buy into 2012.


The 2012 people know as much about Mayan culture and astronomy as the Y2K people knew about software.

I would go so far as to say the 2012 people know even less about Mayan culture than the Y2K people did about software, which makes this all the more bizarre.

[g1ng3rsnap9ed]

I am going to party like it is 1999.
I never really understood what this phrase of speech meant until I read this Post, thanks for the enlightenmint. :)

[Abbie Normal]

It is from a Prince song.

[Ayestrain]

If anybody wants to really approach this topic with an open mind, I suggest this book by Daniel Pinchbeck:

http://www.futurehi.net/archives/2012Pinchbeck.jpg

He talks a lot about the 2012 theories as well as his own experiences (particularly with indian drug rituals and DMT). He does make the point that it isn't supposed to be some Emmerich-esque destructive cataclysm (maybe) but can also be a time of reawakening for the human race or evolution (as the term 'Apocalypse' itself has been misinterpreted as destruction but can also mean illumination or revelation). Good book and a good read that's a cut above the other 2012 horseshit that litters the bookstands.

[jackson13]

There are 2 types of 2012 people.

Those like me who think "please, nothings going to happen, knock it off."

And then people like this:

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/little_nicky/cross.jpg

"Why do you taunt me with your darkness? Your evil is stinkin' up our streets! The end is near! We are all gonna die!"


And those people scare the shit out of me. If anything happens that day, it will be because of them, not anything the Mayans believed.

[ilovemovies]

If anybody wants to really approach this topic with an open mind, I suggest this book by Daniel Pinchbeck:

http://www.futurehi.net/archives/2012Pinchbeck.jpg

He talks a lot about the 2012 theories as well as his own experiences (particularly with indian drug rituals and DMT). He does make the point that it isn't supposed to be some Emmerich-esque destructive cataclysm (maybe) but can also be a time of reawakening for the human race or evolution (as the term 'Apocalypse' itself has been misinterpreted as destruction but can also mean illumination or revelation). Good book and a good read that's a cut above the other 2012 horseshit that litters the bookstands.

My mom is a member of the SSB so I've heard that theory too and I don't believe in it either. It's a bunch of spiritual mumbo jumbo IMO.

[outsyder]

And those people scare the shit out of me. If anything happens that day, it will be because of them, not anything the Mayans believed.

I can't decide what would be worse should something disastrous happens in 2012: either the species goes extinct or those pricks would be proven right.

[jeo4]

I'm in agreement with most of you that 2012 is a, oversensationalized end of the world story in the same vein as Y2K. It'll be a knee slapper in 2013, though.

The scientific explanation has a lot of merit...the world may end because of a space cataclysm, the red giant phase of our sun, or possibly a collision of some sort. Of course, humans are doing all they can to fuck the world up, too. Seeing how all of these theories require something huge to make them a global disaster, speculation seems pretty far fetched.

Penn & Teller did an episode of Bullshit on this subject. I laughed my ass off. Yep, this is comedy gold.

[the_sneaker]

Here's my thoughts on the whole 2012 thing:

Some Mayan dude was working on the calander and got up to December 2012. After a long day of work, he called it quits for the weekend, planning on coming back to keep going.

Then, whatever happend to the Mayans happened that weekend, and that Mayan dude never got the chance to keep working on the calander. That, or the dude was like, "Fuck it. I'm not going to be around for this long; I can stop here."


I like to think that all the Mayan's somehwere are laughing their asses off at how stupid we can all be. Technologically advanced in nearly every aspect compared to them, yet somehow we manage to devise that the end of the world is coming because they decided to stop working on the calander.

[NuclearMisfit]

Ill tell you whats gonna happen in 2012. Danny Glover will be elected President and John Cusak will eat a pie.

[the_sneaker]

From the rumors I hear, Cusack is already eating pie...lots of pie. Something tells me that when December 2012 hits, nothing will have changed for Cusack...except that he will be 87 pounds overweight. In fact, the world will probably end for Cusack in 2012; his arteries will see to that.

[shoe1985]

There are a lot of tensions coming from different parts of the world. North Korea has some form of nuclear capabilities, who knows about Iran. Iraq is better, but still a shithole. Republicans are going gun crazy.

I guess 2012 could result in the destruction of the world. Everyone shoots their weapons off, and boom. Or an asteroid the size of Texas hits us.

I will put on my 3d glasses and see if anything cool happens.

[the_sneaker]

Republicans are going gun crazy.

Because that's the worst thing about the world right now :rolleyes:

[shoe1985]

Because that's the worst thing about the world right now :rolleyes:

Have you ever encountered a Republican that is upset about something with a gun? They are not afraid to shoot.

[soulcollector64]

I find the whole 2012 thing kind of silly because there is so much shit out there that can bring about the end of the world at any moment. In fact, I remember catching something on TV a while ago about how many things out there in space can screw us up faster than a blink of an eye, one of them being something like a random black hole sucking us into oblivion at any moment. But, if the end is coming, then I want zombie outbreaks.

[adamjohnson]

I think the point of the Mayan calendar is that it repeats after 2012, if I'mnot mistaken. So theres really no point in doing it any farther.

[Pentangeli]

I predict:

Humans will be extinct by 2298
Our planet will become almost lifeless (like Mercury) by 77362
Our Sun will die by 4000000000
Big Crunch to be around the year 6500000000

[adamjohnson]

The earth has gone through FIVE extinctions. There will be a sixth.

Humans are not in harmony with the environment anymore and we will proably bleed it dry. The earth wil go on and adapt and a new species may eventually take over.

[Smiert Spionam]

On Penn & Teller's Bullshit!, they asked a MAYAN PRINCESS whether or not the world would end on 2012. She responded with a very deadpan "No, ofcourse not."

So there's that....

[the clever guy]

On Penn & Teller's Bullshit!, they asked a MAYAN PRINCESS whether or not the world would end on 2012. She responded with a very deadpan "No, ofcourse not."

So there's that....


*AHEM*

Pardon my ignorance on this...but aren't the Mayans an extinct race of people? So isn't them asking a "Mayan Princess" bullshit in and of itself?

I could be wrong on the whole extinction route, but hey...

[Beard_of_Meat]

Have you ever encountered a Republican that is upset about something with a gun? They are not afraid to shoot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbHH5xZcVvQ

[adamjohnson]

*AHEM*

Pardon my ignorance on this...but aren't the Mayans an extinct race of people? So isn't them asking a "Mayan Princess" bullshit in and of itself?

I could be wrong on the whole extinction route, but hey...


I thought that their city disappeared over night, but not the entire race.

I could ALSO be wrong.

[RustyRazor]

So after putting away my purple trench coat and partying, my wife and I sat down in our apartment on 12/31/99 with our multiple gallons of water and canned goods and awaited the crashing of computers / end of society.

Nothing happened.

This old Compaq computer I had I turned on the following day. Despite the clock being screwed up, it worked just fine.

Nine years later, I say to myself "Self, people SURE can be panicky."
Remember Nostradamus (or as his friends referred to him "N. Strad") and his predictions of the end coming soon? I've been looking our for his visions to come to pass since he predicted the rise of Hitler.

Well, it was "Hisler".

And he lived in a town with a lot of snakes roaming the fields so you never know. He might have been baked and been inspired by a free roaming snake the way Walt Disney was by Mickey Mouse or Bruce Wayne by that bat to become Batman.

The Mayans created a calendar that ends at 2012.
My "Adorable Dogs of 09'" Calendar ends in December of '09.
I'm gonna go buy a new calendar for 2010.
I don't believe the Mayans truly meant the world would end in 2012. It's just when that calendar ended. Maybe the Mayan calendar maker hit the lotto and quit his job? Packed up and moved to a small island in the Pacific?

If so, thanks a lot, guy. You've got millions of people scared shitless.

I could be wrong.
But I'm not buying canned food and bottled water in bulk like that again.
Last time society didn't end, I put Y2K computer nerds on my hitlist.
This time, I'd be looking for Mayans. And considering they're long gone, it'd be difficult to find one and yell at them.

[Puck Bond]

The Mayan calendar has nothing on Nibiru...the winged planet will bring death to us all!!! Muhahahahaha!!!

[A.J. Hakari]

What does it say that I'm looking forward to the actual apocalypse more than I am the movie 2012?

[Dr.Frankenstein]

hmmm? I don't kno abt U? but I see Damien Thorn all over that face! :p8485

[adamjohnson]

All these natural disasters, man made disasters and now the fucking SUN is acting all weird.

Fuck.

[Sgizzy316]

I think it's basically Y2K redux.

Even believing that Mayans thought 2012 would be Armageddon is a misunderstanding of their calendar's signifigance. It's much ado about nothing.

Though if I'm wrong and we're wiped out by Bruckheimer-sized globs of space fire, I'll owe the 2012er's a coke.

+1

[John@$$]

I think 2012 is going to be Y2K all over again. People were also saying 6/6/06 was the end because of the three 6's. Someone does this all the time.


The Mayans did not say it was Armageddon. From what I've read, it's a new beginning than a Armageddon media like to hype up.

[KcMsterpce]

If anything happens that day, it will be because of them, not anything the Mayans believed.

Thus, it would be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Those damned things!

[Dom Shady]

I have a woman at my job who swears the world is going to end. I argue that she should quit her job and live happy for the next 2 years someplace nice, far away from me so I don't have to hear her constant warnings that the world is going to end.
The thing that pisses me off the most is the pseudo-science behind it all. People take science fiction and pass it off as fact and it's ridiculous. If people took the time to educate themselves on how galactic alignment (relative alignment from our perspective does not matter, you douchebags, we'd have to be a million times closer to the black hole at the center of the galaxy to be affected), black holes(yes they can strike from out of nowhere, because there are several million lurking throughout the galaxy, but the likelyhood is very low and there's no way it could have been predicted for an exact date in those times), geomagnetic reversals (happen over thousands of years, not 1 friggin day) and whatnot really work, this whole phenomenon would not exist to the level it does today. But people are stupid so whatever.

And what the hell gives the Mayans such credence anyway when it comes to predicting the end of the world? The whole Mayan calendar 2012 thing has to do mainly with astrology, IMHO.

[BankaiZaraki]

I don't believe in any of this 2012 bullshit. My family swears the world is gonna end in 2012 and I just laugh in their faces. Personally, I dont think the Mayans knew what the hell they are doing when they did their calender. I think scientists look too far into this whole ordeal and try to blow things out of proportion. When December 21, 2012 hits and nothing happens, this will be the happiest day of my laugh and I will laugh at EVERYONE.

[adamjohnson]

I have a woman at my job who swears the world is going to end. I argue that she should quit her job and live happy for the next 2 years someplace nice, far away from me so I don't have to hear her constant warnings that the world is going to end.
The thing that pisses me off the most is the pseudo-science behind it all. People take science fiction and pass it off as fact and it's ridiculous. If people took the time to educate themselves on how galactic alignment (relative alignment from our perspective does not matter, you douchebags, we'd have to be a million times closer to the black hole at the center of the galaxy to be affected), black holes(yes they can strike from out of nowhere, because there are several million lurking throughout the galaxy, but the likelyhood is very low and there's no way it could have been predicted for an exact date in those times), geomagnetic reversals (happen over thousands of years, not 1 friggin day) and whatnot really work, this whole phenomenon would not exist to the level it does today. But people are stupid so whatever.

And what the hell gives the Mayans such credence anyway when it comes to predicting the end of the world? The whole Mayan calendar 2012 thing has to do mainly with astrology, IMHO.

Yes, but their calendar was advanced way beyond anything else at the time. Didnt they even have leap years? It's like that culture in Indy 4, they had aqua ducts and farming and shit way before anyone else.

[echo_bravo]

As long as the world ends AFTER July 20, 2012 its all good. Hopefully the apocalypse can hold off at least until I get to see Batman 3;)

[DaveyJoeG]

As long as the world ends AFTER July 20, 2012 its all good. Hopefully the apocalypse can hold off at least until I get to see Batman 3;)

I came in here to post that exact same thing. It's good to have a reason to live!

[oh-dae-su]

This 2012 conspiracy really is just Y2K. Everyone wants to find a conspiracy behind anything. I actually heard some people online say 9-9-09 would be the end. Once 2012 hits, they'll think up some other kind of apocalypse.

[fixedMind]

The world will end because of poor grammar and misspelling. Not to mention the fear mongering set to the soothing sounds of tribal flute music.
I love that whoever made this video refers to paranoid theory as facts...bury your head in the sand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=namkRpDycVE