The worst ever

[Abbie Normal]

Four boys accused of raping girl, 8
Group of youths aged 9 to 14 seen running from shed, Arizona police say


PHOENIX - Officers responding to a report of hysterical screams found an 8-year-old girl partially clothed and four boys, some barely in their teens, running from an empty shed.

The boys, ages 9 to 14, face charges ranging from sexual assault to kidnapping, police said Thursday. Authorities in Phoenix say it's one of the most horrific cases they've ever seen.

Investigators said the boys lured the girl to an empty shed on July 16 under the pretense of offering her gum. The boys then held the girl down while they took turns raping her, police said.


"She was brutally sexually assaulted for a period of about 10 to 15 minutes," police Sgt. Andy Hill said.

The 14-year-old boy was charged Wednesday as an adult with two counts of sexual assault and kidnapping, the Maricopa County Attorney's Office said. He appeared in court Thursday and was being held without bond. He does not yet have a defense lawyer.

Charged as juveniles
The other boys — ages 9, 10, and 13 — were charged as juveniles with sexual assault. The 10- and 13-year-old boys also were charged with kidnapping, the office said Thursday.

"This is a deeply disturbing case that has gripped our community," Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas said. "Our office will seek justice for the young victim in this heartrending situation."

The outrage over the allegations has intensified when police said the girl's parents criticized her after the attack and blamed her for bringing shame on the family.

"The father told the case worker and an officer in her presence that he didn't want her back. He said 'Take her, I don't want her,'" Hill said.

Hill cited the family's background as the reason the family shunned the girl. All five children are refugees from the West African nation of Liberia.

In some parts of Africa, women often are blamed for being raped for enticing men or simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Girls who are raped often are shunned by their families.

'Shame-based culture'
"It's a shame-based culture, so the crime is not as important as protecting the family name and the name of the community," said Tony Weedor, a Liberian refugee in Littleton, Colo., and co-founder of the CenterPoint International Foundation, which helps Liberians resettle in the United States.

"I just feel so sorry for this little girl," he said. "Some of these people will not care about the trauma she's going through — they're more concerned about the shame she brought on the family."

In recent years, Liberia has made efforts to combat rape under the leadership of President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, who has sought to dispel the stigma associated with sexual assault by publicly acknowledging that she was herself the victim of attempted rape during the country's civil war.

The girl's healing process will be particularly difficult, said Paul Penzone of Childhelp, which aids young victims of crime. Authorities said the victim was in the care of Child Protective Services.

'Pack of wolves'
"These four boys used what was a ploy to entice her to a place where they could take advantage of her almost like a pack of wolves," he said.

"And what's so disturbing beyond the initial crime is the fact that a child needs to have somewhere to feel safe, and you would think that would be in a home with her own family," not in state custody, Penzone said.

I am sick. What the fuck is wrong with people. If I were the officer on scene the 14 and 13 year olds would have been shot on site. Then I would have shot the father. I don't care what his culture is.

[someguy]

Don't worry Abbie, Joe Arpaio will arrest them and then beat them to death while they're strapped to a chair.

[Darth Kenshin]

I think it's stories like this that are the reason people have an Apocalypse fetish and buy into stuff like 2012... some people are just really, really sick this world, and it's getting progressively worse.

[Frosty_86]

That story is just plain pure appalling Im almost speechless, not only does this little girl have to deal with the stigma of rape at such a young age but than her father disowns her. That is your little girl you as the father are supposed protect and be there for her when shes just had something bad happen to her not disown her and boot her out of the house, its not her fault she was ganged up by four boys older than her. Thats such bullshit.

[echo_bravo]

My heart goes out to the little girl. Terrible.:(

I'll be moving to Phoenix, Arizona by the end of the summer so its great to know that there are such good people there.:eek:

[BlownCamaro]

Put them to sleep. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and this is one of the cutting times.

[labialover]

My jaw dropped while reading this. Ages 9 to 14. I probably didn't even know what rape was at the age of 9. And that girls dad is a moron. It may be looked down upon in Liberia for women to get raped, but he's in America now, he looks like a fuck for wanting nothing to do with his daughter.

Put them to sleep. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and this is one of the cutting times.

I agree, put them down like an old dog.

[Abbie Normal]

Don't worry Abbie, Joe Arpaio will arrest them and then beat them to death while they're strapped to a chair.

What do you think they deserve?

[Heisenberg]

As much as this saddens me to hear and my heart goes out to the girl, this is not even sloe to the worst thing I have read. Just yesterday I was reading in the newspaper about a 22 year old man that raped and murdered his 2 year old niece. Fucking TWO!! People like this need castrated slowly, skinned alive and burned with a blowtorched while being shot.

[labialover]

As much as this saddens me to hear and my heart goes out to the girl, this is not even sloe to the worst thing I have read. Just yesterday I was reading in the newspaper about a 22 year old man that raped and murdered his 2 year old niece. Fucking TWO!! People like this need castrated slowly, skinned alive and burned with a blowtorched while being shot.

Not even sure how to respond to that.

[Abbie Normal]

Not even sure how to respond to that.

I would respond by saying he is 100% right.


Post the story Heisen.

[BlownCamaro]

What do you think they deserve?

Oh Someguy just wishes rainbows and unicorns for everyone. Even rapists.

[Abbie Normal]

Oh Someguy just wishes rainbows and unicorns for everyone. Even rapists.

lol Very funny. I am not commenting if what you said is true or now. Just the comment itself is funny.

[The Heart Collector]

What do you think they deserve?

To be tried by a jury of their peers and, if found guilty, given a prison sentence that follows whatever the punishments on the law books are. I believe that's how we do it here in the civilized world.

[Abbie Normal]

To be tried by a jury of their peers and, if found guilty, given a prison sentence that follows whatever the punishments on the law books are. I believe that's how we do it here in the civilized world.

Well obviously! One can argue that at least the 14 old year has forsaken their right to civil justice.

If this happened to a child of mine, all 4 of them would not have lived long enough to say they are sorry. At some point, you do something that is so wrong you forfeit your rights. This crosses the line for me.


I had asked you in a different thread. Are you going to visit Pablo's World?

[The Heart Collector]

That argument makes little sense.

First of all because society doesn't work if you can just decide who "has forsaken his rights to justice". That should be a given, but apparently it isn't.

Second of all, because even if that were true, it has no bearing on your own personal responsibilities towards society and the State. Such as obeying the law.

If you believe that those kids crossed the line and deserve to die, fine. No one's stopping you from killing them in cold blood. But you woudl deservedly go to prison for the rest of your life for that act, since it is the act of an animal.

That is how most of the retribution scenarios in this thread are. They're not real since none of you would actually do that, but if a personal injustice is enough to make people consider killing sprees, they probably need to be separated from the civilized world.

[Natty]

Abbie Normal.

I assume that you have changed your avatar and location as a result of the race relations discussion in another thread, so that it insults a black man whom you really have no reason to dislike in order to cause controversy or upset people who support him. Yep, not a douchebag thing to do at all.

I suggest you change it coz that is gonna make me angry every time I visit these boards, I dislike you enough as it is with that thread you started that is now closed for obvious reasons.


Anyway, appaling case, hope the criminals go to prison for a very long time :rolleyes:

[Abbie Normal]

That argument makes little sense.

First of all because society doesn't work if you can just decide who "has forsaken his rights to justice". That should be a given, but apparently it isn't.

Second of all, because even if that were true, it has no bearing on your own personal responsibilities towards society and the State. Such as obeying the law.

If you believe that those kids crossed the line and deserve to die, fine. No one's stopping you from killing them in cold blood. But you woudl deservedly go to prison for the rest of your life for that act, since it is the act of an animal.

That is how most of the retribution scenarios in this thread are. They're not real since none of you would actually do that, but if a personal injustice is enough to make people consider killing sprees, they probably need to be separated from the civilized world.

Makes plenty of sense. You just don't agree with it. There is a difference.

Lynch mob justice worked just fine in the ole days of the wild west.

No, I would not. Not in this liberal America I live in these days. A woman can get away with murder, because of PMS. OJ got off, because the glove did not fit. A Time To Kill: he got off. No jury in America would convict me and it would be considered a crime of passion. You don't know as much as you think.

The world is not civil. Some places are civilized, but much of the world is not civil. You go ahead and pretend the world is civil and you would be wrong. If the world were civil there would be no war among other things. So go ahead and live in comfort behind your keyboard, but in the real world millions of people live in fear from the un civil world. Go ask Israel how civil the rest of the middle east is.

Abbie Normal.

I assume that you have changed your avatar and location as a result of the race relations discussion in another thread, so that it insults a black man whom you really have no reason to dislike in order to cause controversy or upset people who support him. Yep, not a douchebag thing to do at all.

I suggest you change it coz that is gonna make me angry every time I visit these boards, I dislike you enough as it is with that thread you started that is now closed for obvious reasons.


Anyway, appaling case, hope the criminals go to prison for a very long time :rolleyes:

Sorry, but you are not right in the least little bit of a way. I came across something I thought was true. I wanted to change my avatar in protest to the cap and trade and health bills Obama wants to pass through. This has nothing to do with race in the least. In fact, the location is the caption under the avatar, but is too small to read. I put the line under location in case someone asked why. It is a comment that states if anyone disagrees with Obama is labeled a racist. I receive emails from the Democratic party that say Republicans are attacking Obama, because he is black and not because they do not agree with his policies.

You don't like me? LOL I don't even know who you are. You should get a life and ignore people who you do not agree with. I am keeping the avatar as it is not racist in the least little bit.

http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/Obama_Poster_Crybaby.gif

I found this one and will change it to this
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CSUPQ7EpU_4/SKsamqcHB6I/AAAAAAAAahg/VxthHm1cFoQ/S1600-R/boohoo3.jpg

[BlownCamaro]

I assume that you have changed your avatar and location as a result of the race relations discussion in another thread, so that it insults a black man whom you really have no reason to dislike in order to cause controversy or upset people who support him. Yep, not a douchebag thing to do at all.




Yes because not liking Obama makes you racist. This is a new amendment in the constitution right? Is it just not liking Obama or any black/half black person? I ask because I HATE Mike Epps. Am I racist now?

[starcat]

Whatever about Obama.... but Mike Epps is the shit... its because of him i spent a year saying "i'ma be a pimp next tuesday!!!"

And really, how can you not like someone on here... there are people I strongly dissagree with, but as Abbie said, how can you not like someone you don't know.

And no, the kids should not die. What they did was wrong on so many levels, but they are still kids themselves. Its the world they are growing up in that makes them curious enough to do what they did... and if they grow up with their lesson learned, guilt will eat at them for along time anyway. Besides, do you really think a 9 or 10 year old knew what they were doing. The 14 year old... yeah, he deserves a good punishment, but at 9 I was still playing with toys and would have went along with anything an older kid told me to do... well, hopefully not anything... they just made us eat dogfood and jump off barns and shit!!!

[Tweek]

Poor girl. Hopefully the legal system pulls through.

Her father though... I wonder how long he's been in the U.S. My parents are East African, they've been in the states for 25 years and there's still so much they haven't adapted to. I'm not trying to say I agree with the father or even empathize. The entire thing makes me angry but the part with her father even more so, in a way. At least with the people who did this, there's a chance that there will be a consequence. Will anything happen to the father? I don't think so.

[Cop No. 633]

Well, the kids should be tried and definitely given a psychological examination. Kids don't just rape other kids on a whim. Rape is something you don't just do for fun. I'd really be interested to know what the parents are like...

Yes because not liking Obama makes you racist. This is a new amendment in the constitution right? Is it just not liking Obama or any black/half black person? I ask because I HATE Mike Epps. Am I racist now?

It's not that he dislikes Obama. It's that he posted a terrible thread like this one:

http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131161

I also find it really doesn't help when Abbie says, "Lynch mob justice worked just fine in the ole days of the wild west."

Seriously, you guys should stop huffing that glue you found in the alley. It's only helping you dig a deeper hole. If you have to go out of your way to prove you're not racist, well... chances are...

[Abbie Normal]

And really, how can you not like someone on here... there are people I strongly dissagree with, but as Abbie said, how can you not like someone you don't know.!

That isn't exactly what I said. I said I do not know who he is. That was my way of saying, "I don't care him enough to even bother to hate or like him."

Well, the kids should be tried and definitely given a psychological examination. Kids don't just rape other kids on a whim. Rape is something you don't just do for fun. I'd really be interested to know what the parents are like...



It's not that he dislikes Obama. It's that he posted a terrible thread like this one:

http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131161

I also find it really doesn't help when Abbie says, "Lynch mob justice worked just fine in the ole days of the wild west."

Seriously, you guys should stop huffing that glue you found in the alley. It's only helping you dig a deeper hole. If you have to go out of your way to prove you're not racist, well... chances are...

So one so called bad post and I am labeled? You would not like to know what I label you to be now. ;) I did not write that post. It was an email I received and I was just curious what others thought of it.

Seriously, have some kids and then get back to me. I would like to know your opinion of the dad? I guess he needs therapy too for not wanting his raped child now. Would you like to know what would happen to the kids if this happened there? They would not live very long.

[BlownCamaro]

Seriously, you guys should stop huffing that glue you found in the alley. It's only helping you dig a deeper hole. If you have to go out of your way to prove you're not racist, well... chances are...


I am not going out my way to prove or disprove anything. I asked if not liking a black man made me racist. When every comment made by a white member about a black man that is not sucking the black mans cock is called racist I need to know what the rules are. Obviously I am racist. I am white. That seems to be the standards of racism now?

[Jon Lyrik]

YEE-FUCKING-HAW! Let's stone some people! We don't have a reasonable rule of law in this country, amirite?

Abbie, I hope you're falsely accused of a despicable crime one day so random people on the internet can fantasize about their brand of vigilante justice on you. I don't say that out of malevolence, but just because it might hit you with some perspective.

[countchocula]

In my opinion, any thread like this should be closed immediately. What's the point of posting a news article like that on a JoBlo.com message board? Thousands of people I don't know are brutally raped and murdered every day. I don't feel like going to JoBlo.com to talk about it. Seriously, who gives a fuck? What kind of discussion were you hoping to ignite?

And Heart Collector...enough already. We get it. Every thread on this forum is stupid and we need you to interject with something witty that counters everything that has been said up to that point. Don't you have anything better to do with your life? I don't, but I'm assuming that you do since you always know the right thing to say in every situation. Go ahead and tell me how off-base I am so that you can regain the upper hand. I know how important that is to you.

[Natty]

I am white. That seems to be the standards of racism now?

We get it JEEZ!

Incidentally, I wonder how outraged you two would be if one of us actually called you racist (which nobody has done yet).

Yes because not liking Obama makes you racist.

Oh I definitely said these exact words, because I really wanted to agree with the avatar. :rolleyes:


And Abbie Normal, I apologise. It was of course a complete coincidence that you selected that avatar after the race discussion...and after saying that you agree with some of those appaling comments in your 'friends email'.



I never called anyone racist...stop being silly guys. Infact, in my post on the race debate I actually pointed out how offended people are when you say they are racist so I would never do it, even the Ku Klux Klan are "no longer a racist organisation". That's how afraid of the word people have become.

[Cop No. 633]

So one so called bad post and I am labeled? You would not like to know what I label you to be now. ;) I did not write that post. It was an email I received and I was just curious what others thought of it.

Seriously, have some kids and then get back to me. I would like to know your opinion of the dad? I guess he needs therapy too for not wanting his raped child now. Would you like to know what would happen to the kids if this happened there? They would not live very long.

It doesn't matter if you didn't write that ridiculous email. You posted it saying you liked it. That pretty much means you advocate the ridiculous crap that it preached and you're somehow "surprised" that it got the response that it did. Guess what, there's people on this board who aren't white who will get upset by posts like that. Does it make them PC-liberal-pussies simply because they don't want to deal this on a movie board? How many Pro-Black-Latino-Asian emails do you see other members make threads about saying, "Hey guys, I found this interesting... What do you think?"

As for my opinion of the father, maybe the girl would be better off with other parents. I'm not going to condone killing the father for being a huge asshole and inhumane prick. I simply think people like that shouldn't have had kids in the first place.

I am not going out my way to prove or disprove anything. I asked if not liking a black man made me racist. When every comment made by a white member about a black man that is not sucking the black mans cock is called racist I need to know what the rules are. Obviously I am racist. I am white. That seems to be the standards of racism now?

It has nothing to do with liking or disliking Obama. In light of the things you have said on the other thread, it's obvious that you do have some racial hang-ups. You can talk about how you live in a community where 80% is black all day, but it doesn't change your thoughts or views that you already have expressed. It has nothing to do with you being white. You're the one who keeps bringing that up. Intelligent people on this board are drawing conclusions from what you have written... nobody forced you to say anything. Prejudice exists beyond white people.

It's not like having racial hang-ups means you're the anti-christ. A lot of people have racial hang-ups. It's just how our world is at this point in time and probably will be until we find out there's an alien race that will make us all band together and get over our differences.

[Natty]

You don't like me? LOL I don't even know who you are. You should get a life and ignore people who you do not agree with. I am keeping the avatar as it is not racist in the least little bit.

Just so you get the message. I never said you were racist..

Get a life? I hate this phrase, people who understand the 'Transformers Matrix' and are willing to explain it to persuade people to like the shitty transformers sequel should not be telling me to get a life.

I find it difficult to ignore you as you have an avatar that will constantly annoy me whenever I see it, and I like being a part of this website.


I sincerely apologise for saying that I 'dislike you' but it is simply because you said you agree with statements that don't make any sense and are offensive. If I remember correctly Potzer37 also said he disliked you and you didn't lash out at him...dare I accuse you of discrimination?

[The Heart Collector]

Makes plenty of sense. You just don't agree with it. There is a difference.

Lynch mob justice worked just fine in the ole days of the wild west.

Lynch mob justice did not "work just fine" in the old days of the wild west. This is a completely demented statement. What is wrong with you, do you have no sense of what is reasonable in a modern society or what? how can you honestly think this is "a matter of opinion" for crying out loud.

[Jon Lyrik]

Maybe someone will finally get out of the closet and drop an n-bomb, or say that interrogators assraping people is peachy.

[Shinigami]

Both the OT forum and political forum are starting to rub me the wrong way. Once again I have to put out a lot of mental effort to assume that every silly thing someone says is just their throwaway exaggeration or their joke. Unfortunately I just can't make the leap of faith this time.

Lynch mob justice worked just fine in the ole days of the wild west.

facepalm

[Natty]

And really, how can you not like someone on here... there are people I strongly dissagree with, but as Abbie said, how can you not like someone you don't know.

Easily. For example I'm sure you don't like Bill O Reilly and you don't really know him. In fact, whether we like people or not tends to be based on clashing 'opinions' and what we think is right or wrong in comparison into what they think is right or wrong.

[The Heart Collector]

I don't even understand Abbie Normal's avatar. Is this "projection" at work or something? I don't know a single Democrat who thinks Obama is some sort "messianic" figure. All the polls show that his support is mostly from people who think that, with the shitty hand he's been dealt, he's not doing half-bad. Certainly not some sort of slavish devotion to the guy or anything. He's roundly criticized by Democrats and the left-leaning press all the time too.

What is this "messiah" shit? Conservatives talking about messianic delusions? Give me a fucking break. The conservatives in America asked soldiers in Iraq to pray for George W. Bush and now they want to feed me a bunch of bullshit about how liberals see Obama is 'the messiah'? Hahahahaha.

They may be the ones facing danger on the battlefield, but US soldiers in
Iraq are being asked to pray for President George W Bush.

Thousands of marines have been given a pamphlet called "A Christian's Duty,"
a mini prayer book which includes a tear-out section to be mailed to the
White House pledging the soldier who sends it in has been praying for Bush.

"I have committed to pray for you, your family, your staff and our troops
during this time of uncertainty and tumult. May God's peace be your guide,"
says the pledge, according to a journalist embedded with coalition forces.



http://www.prayforbush.com/


bbb...b.uttt. ObamA!!!! THE MESAIAHGAHSHDASHDAS! THE LIBERALS THINK BOAMA IS THE MESSIAHASFASDAS

[Reigh Kaufman]

Fuck all of your petty squabbling.

My sympathies to this little girl, and to hell with the people scoring points of one another in this of all threads.

Pathetic.

[Jon Lyrik]

I think it's perfectly understandable when people start talking about lynch mobs and murdering 13-year-olds. I'd love to say nobody would argue that what happened to the girl isn't repugnant, but this thread's shown some pretty sick mentalities, and I'm not too sure. In a few years people will post on this forum wondering why kidnapping and eating people is wrong.

[BakeTheMooCow]

This thread has descended into madness, so I think it's better if I close it.