Inglourious Basterds

[Film Fan BeAm2k]

My one problem with this film was the lack of 'Basterds' scenes. They were the best part but they were far and few between. Am I wrong in thinking a prequel film could be a major hit? Maybe explaining the 'Basterds' pasts? Just a thought.

[Sigur509]

^

One of the few times it would work(everyone I've talked to that has seen the film has loved it, but wanted more basterds) and be necessary.


Though I doubt it would happen. I'd rather see QT do something else. It might taint what IB is for me.

Who knows, though.

[Fancyclaps]

*spoilers*


The restaurant confrontation between Shosanna and Landa. Absolutely brilliant, with Waltz bringing the menace over from the first chapter. Friendly affability, the mood changes, the temperature drops, and a chilling pallor sets in on his face. Great use of a film score (from The Entity) that homages QT's own Kill Bill, with the Bride and "Ironside" blaring upon close contact with the enemy (or enemies).

The milk, of course, intentionally or not, is a blow at her already weakened stance, barely covered up in front of him. Top it off with the cream (not kosher) and the delightful chomping Waltz gives to his pastry; he chews up the scene, but doesn't spit her out. He leaves her to hold on for...just...a bit...longer, and then come the emotional floodgates, opening up to reveal tears. I wish her reaction was a little more than a couple of seconds.

It's a sure better way to finish the scene than what was in the script -- Shosanna leaves a piss puddle underneath the table and drops her cigarette into it. Glad that Tarantino had the proper sense of mind.

SPOILERS

Hans may have known who Emmanuelle was, but at the time of the conversation between them he was not aware of the Basterds plan to blow up the theater and I HIGHLY doubt he would have just let her leave knowing who she was.

Also, in the script (I don't have it anymore) Landa says something after she gets away in the beginning. His men ask him if they should chase her and he says something like: no, shes not going to survive anyway, she just witnessed her family murdered, she has no where to go, she's just going to end up scavenging for food until someone turns her in (something to that effect). This made it seem like he didn't really care about her fleeing (because lets be honest, if he wanted her dead he could have just chased her). He almost relished in the idea that she would suffer.


BTW, on a somewhat unrelated note, are there any nude pics (nude movie scenes?) of Melanie Laurent? Any nip sips that people know of? I've been looking but I can hardly find any pictures of her. She's really hot in a slutty french kinda way and the 13 year old in me really wants to crank one out to her.

[Danger^Cart]

My one problem with this film was the lack of 'Basterds' scenes. They were the best part but they were far and few between. Am I wrong in thinking a prequel film could be a major hit? Maybe explaining the 'Basterds' pasts? Just a thought.

Aldo Raine carrying out a guerilla campaign against the japs might be cool. Probably not though. Probably just be stupid.

[DaMovieMan]

YES!!!

Finally, I saw it :D

I need to see it again to have it sink in completely but i truly loved it. The acting is perhaps the best thing about the film, as everybody was excellent with Waltz and Pitt stealing the show. Everyone else was excellent too, including August Diehl who played Hellstrom, Schweiger as Stiglitz and so on.
The structure was a bitt off, didn't flow too well, but Tarantino brings tense to a new level with this film. As the best scenes were filled to the brim with tension (Opening Chapter, La Louisane bar scene, Landa and Shosana in the cafe, Landa and Hammersmack in the cinema).

Found David Bowie a little jarring to be honest, though it sounded great but don't know if it was quite right for that.

Can't really say much else that hasn't been said already. I rate it 4 out of 5 stars for now or a 8/10. And would put it under Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown and Reservoir Dogs but over Death Proof and Kill Bill.

Ari-ver derchi.

[Derek237]

SPOILERS IN THIS POST.

Saw it yesterday. Loved it. Could very well be my favourite Tarantino flick. Here are some of my thoughts:

-I have to join in the praise for Christoph Waltz. He was brilliant, steals the show completely, and deserves an Oscar nomination.

-Loved the voice cameos by Samuel Jackson and Harvey Kietel..fun little easter eggs that probably only fans of QT would notice or anticipate right away.

-Mike Myers is delightful in his "special guest appearence." I had a grin on my face the entire time he was on screen. This tiny tiny role quite possibly redeems him for all the crap he's done in the past decade.

-Say what you want about Eli Roth and his movies, or even his semi-competent acting skills, but this guy earns big points in my book for being immortalized on screen for being the guy who MACHINE GUNS HITLER IN THE FUCKING FACE!!! :D

-I laughed out loud during this movie more than most comedies I've seen in the past few years, and was on the edge of my seat more often than during pretty much any thriller or horror flick that's been out lately, which is a great sign of QT's talent.

-How do you guys think Charles Manson feels about this movie?

[Strider]

***MORE SPOILERS***


Something that has been dwelling on me...what's your favorite scene from the movie?

While the opening scene and the chapter with the Basterds' intro is great...

SPOILERS


Everything from the moment Marcel lights up the pile of film to Aldo's end line is amazing. The way everything culminates with the theater turning into the 8th level of hell in an instant, Donny and Omar gunning down Hitler, Goebbles and the rest of the Nazis, Shohanna's face and laughter, The explosion Raine's decision to kill the sergeant and mark Landa...Just about everything was fantastic. There's something about the ending to this movie that not only felt satisfying but felt absolutely perfectly fitting as well.


END SPOILERS


Do any of you guys have something different in that "Favorite scene" area?

I absolutely love the sequence you described above. It's utterly fantastic -- my favorite part of the entire sequence is when Shosanna's face appears on the silver screen and she informs Hitler and the Nazis that they're about to die in an ocean of fire. That particular moment has a chilling, nightmarish quality that blew my mind away.

As for my favorite scene from Basterds, it's impossible to only pick one. So I have a tie....

First, the opening sequence (or Chapter 1), which is hits every right note and brilliant in every way. Also, it serves as a terrific introduction to Hans Landa, and it almost makes you feel like you're in the French farmer's shoes. My heart was beating pretty fast during that sequence. Second, the tavern scene -- it swells with suspense until it finally transforms into something very intense, bloody and truly exciting. The opening sequence and the taven scene both prove what a master Tarantino is at building up cinematic suspense like one would a bomb and then, out of nowhere, allowing it to explode.

Strider

[APzombie]

Haven't chimed in yet, couldn't see it until yesterday due to a family death. It certainly lifted my spirits up! I absolutely loved every minute of it!

[jbar1026]

inglourious basterds 8.5/10

another great movie from QT.

[bankholdup]

For those interested in the Q&A that QUENTIN had attended, the full 40+ minute deal is on Facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/inglouriousbasterdsinternational#/inglouriousbasterdsinternational?v=app_23744633048&viewas=1269167912

I may be wrong, but I think that's our fellow Schmoe around the 16-minute mark of Part 2.

[Strider]

SPOILERS

Hans may have known who Emmanuelle was, but at the time of the conversation between them he was not aware of the Basterds plan to blow up the theater and I HIGHLY doubt he would have just let her leave knowing who she was.

Agreed. I still believe Landa knew that "Emmanuelle" was actually Shosanna, but, as you pointed out, there's no way he knew of her and the Basterds' plans on the night of the screening. (Not to mention I don't believe he would ever think that Shosanna was capable of thinking such things or pulling something like that off.) Also, whether or not Landa knew Emmanuelle's true indentity, he wouldn't have done anything to her, especially not kill her. Here's my theory as to why Landa spare Shosanna's life a second time....

Before Landa took his seat next to Shosanna at the restaurant, Goebbels informed Landa that Zoller, the Nazi war "hero," was infatuated with "Emmanuelle." Like Danger^Cart said, Landa was an opportunist, and if he killed Shosanna, knowing Zoller had the hots for her, he may have suffered some kind of career punishment from Goebbels, who seemed to treat Zoller like the son he never had and always wanted. Killing Shosanna may have caused problems for Landa with Goebbels, as well as Hitler. Considering Landa was completely unaware of Shosanna and the Basterds' master plan, what exactly could he gain from killing Shosanna (assuming he knew her true identity, which I believe he did) after their restaurant meeting? Absolutely nothing.

Strider

[Cop No. 633]

Anybody else think the guy who was cast as the farmer Perrier looked just like a skinnier Stanley Kubrick? Could it be a nod to his unfinished holocaust film? I can't help but think this was on purpose... the guy looks like Kubrick's long lost son.

http://www.cinemarx.ro/poze/postere/actori/den/Denis-Menochet-127269-699.jpg

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/nm_Stanley-Kubrick_090209_ssv.jpg

[Danger^Cart]

Am I the only one who thought Pitt stole the show, not Waltz? I mean, Waltz was phenomenal, but when the film was over I just kept running over Aldo's lines in my head. I really love the character a lot.

[Strider]

^^^

Aldo Raine is a bad-ass character, one of my favorite QT characters. However, I don't believe Brad Pitt stole the show. Pitt was great, delivering every line perfectly and (obviously) having a fun time doing so. Ultimately, it's Christoph Waltz who stole from show from EVERYONE in Basterds, hands down. That's my two cents.

And the actor who played the French farmer surprisingly looks like Stanley Kubrick's long lost son. I didn't pick up on that at all during my first or second viewing of the film. But those pictures above help.

Strider

[Reigh Kaufman]

Am I the only one who thought Pitt stole the show, not Waltz? I mean, Waltz was phenomenal, but when the film was over I just kept running over Aldo's lines in my head. I really love the character a lot.

Seconded.

Familiarity breeds contempt.

I was thinking this today after I watched the Inception trailer: I wish Gordon-Levitt was the lead. Then I remembered that Leo was the exact same guy who starred in What's Eating Gilbert Grape?, The Basketball Diaries etc. Leo is the same guy, but a fresh face has got my interest - ergo, familiarity breeds contempt. Leo - and Brad - are still great at holding an audiences' attention, but we are so used to their tics that something fresh seems better.

Put another way, Pitt is a star - Waltz will be a great utility man.

[bigred760]

I agree with Strider. Brad Pitt was awesome as Aldo Raine, and had all of the good lines in the movie, but as far as acting goes, my eyes never left Waltz's performance as Col. Landa. They guy was captivating as hell as his performance oozed confidence, creepiness, evil, and suaveness all in one. Brad Pitt was the badass, Christoph Waltz was the villain.

[Sgizzy316]

Aldo Raine is already one of my favorite characters in a long time. Pitt did steal the show and the movie was great. Definitely lived up to the hype for me.

[Bourne101]

Going to see it again tomorrow night. Fucking stoked! :D

[Tweek]

Something that has been dwelling on me...what's your favorite scene from the movie?



One favorite scene of mine is in the tavern. I loved the opening too. "Au revoir, Shoshanna!"


Man, I'm so glad I didn't read the script.

[LordSimen]

Am I the only one who thought Pitt stole the show, not Waltz? I mean, Waltz was phenomenal, but when the film was over I just kept running over Aldo's lines in my head. I really love the character a lot.

I thought they both equally stole the show to the point where you couldn't WAIT to get them into a room together. :D

[Danger^Cart]

I really wish I hadn't read the script. Everything was far less tense, though there was a certain fascination with how all these memorable scenes in my head unfolded.

[Bourne101]

I really wish I hadn't read the script. Everything was far less tense, though there was a certain fascination with how all these memorable scenes in my head unfolded.

Semi-ditto for me. I sort of wish I hadn't read the script, but seeing it all pan out and come to life was really stunning. I think that I will enjoy it more the second time around because I will be more focused on the film rather than focusing on the script-to-screen translation. This happened to me when I saw the Kill Bill film(s). The first time I saw it I was just watching the whole script come to life, but on re-watches it just got so much better and that film has really grown on me over time (as most of Tarantino's films do).

But regardless, I really loved the film and even though I did read the script, it didn't really decrease my enjoyment of the film and I still found it intense as hell.

[Sigur509]

Does any have(or is able to get) the screen shot of Hugo Stiglitz with the awesome font of his name?

[SuperMarcey]

Am I the only one who thought Eli was good in this?

[Sigur509]

No, I thought he was fantastic.

[LordSimen]

Am I the only one who thought Eli was good in this?

Roth? He kicked ass, as always. :p I think the reason why he's not mentioned very much is because he was overshadowed by the likes of Pitt and Waltz, and given that his role was relatively small anyway, it makes sense. That and I'm sure some of those who made such a big stink about him when he was first cast don't want to admit just how wrong they were. ;)

[Sigur509]

He was one of many characters that I wish had more screentime.


I wonder if there will be a directors cut....something with more scenes edited in? I only read the first part of the script, so Im not sure what all did or didnt make it in.

[Tagia_Romero]

I really can't think of anything better to say considering so many have already shared what I thought of the movie.

[Bourne101]

I thought Roth was pretty good. His bat scene was pretty badass and his facial expression was perfect. His little rant afterward was also pretty awesome. I thought he also had some good moments in the last chapter. He certainly didn't do a bad job at all. I kind of wish that scene/flashback of him in Boston was in the film though. Apparently Quentin saved it in case there was a prequel, but if that doesn't happen I hope he puts it on some edition of the DVD down the road, even as a deleted scene.

[LordSimen]

There was a whole backstory to that character that was cut out from the final cut. In interviews I've read with Roth, he stated that he doesn't believe Quentin is going to put those on any DVD release as Quentin seems to have indicated a wish to use them in a prequel film.

[Tweek]

Am I the only one who thought Eli was good in this?

Definitely not. :cool:

[DaMovieMan]

Anybody else think the guy who was cast as the farmer Perrier looked just like a skinnier Stanley Kubrick? Could it be a nod to his unfinished holocaust film? I can't help but think this was on purpose... the guy looks like Kubrick's long lost son.



That's way too much of a stretch dude heh. But there's a resemblance for sure.

Definitely one of my favorite scenes, among many, is the strudel scene with Shosana and Landa. Their performances were perfect and it oozed with tension, how it ended with him putting out the cigarette in the desert is the perfect visual imagery for his character.

[Danger^Cart]

Semi-ditto for me. I sort of wish I hadn't read the script, but seeing it all pan out and come to life was really stunning. I think that I will enjoy it more the second time around because I will be more focused on the film rather than focusing on the script-to-screen translation. This happened to me when I saw the Kill Bill film(s). The first time I saw it I was just watching the whole script come to life, but on re-watches it just got so much better and that film has really grown on me over time (as most of Tarantino's films do).

But regardless, I really loved the film and even though I did read the script, it didn't really decrease my enjoyment of the film and I still found it intense as hell.

A safe bet, this is what happened to me.

Eli really wasn't bad. The expression on his face while he swiss-cheesed Hitler was perfect. His accent was pretty uneven, though. Sometimes it was thick, sometimes it completely disappeared.

[Tagia_Romero]

Anybody else think the guy who was cast as the farmer Perrier looked just like a skinnier Stanley Kubrick? Could it be a nod to his unfinished holocaust film? I can't help but think this was on purpose... the guy looks like Kubrick's long lost son.

http://www.cinemarx.ro/poze/postere/actori/den/Denis-Menochet-127269-699.jpg

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/nm_Stanley-Kubrick_090209_ssv.jpg

Holy heck, he does. I knew the actor looked familiar somehow when he first appeared, but I did not know from where. :eek:

*spoilers*


I too was wondering whether or not Landa actually DID recognize Shoshanna, because remember he said he forgot another question he was going to ask her. I wish they had another scene together.

[SuperMarcey]

There was a whole backstory to that character that was cut out from the final cut. In interviews I've read with Roth, he stated that he doesn't believe Quentin is going to put those on any DVD release as Quentin seems to have indicated a wish to use them in a prequel film.

I hope so, that would be rad! I thought he was great, loved his entrance, loved him at the end too! It was funny, when he first appeared on screen all my friends looked at me lol I think they were expecting me to dry hump the screen.

[LordSimen]

Speaking of Eli Roth and Quentin Tarantino, here's their Myspace artist on artist Roth posted on his blog recently!

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=61959314

[echo_bravo]

Alright, what Oscar chances does this film have??


Original Screenplay?

I do think Waltz is a shoe-in for Best Supporting Actor and it would be cool if he won too. That would be the 3rd villian in a row to win Best Supporting Actor)

[fooknasty]

Just got back from a Monday 7:00 show, and it was pretty well stocked. A few thoughts just off the top of my head.

The Good:

1) Christoph Waltz absolutely stole the show. He is so brilliant as the villian here, and his subtle creepiness just resonates throughout the whole movie. Brilliant and a lock for Best Supporting Actor.

2) Likewise, the opening scene was beyond suspenseful. The way LaPadite plays coy and his interaction with Landa really intensifies the tension. Again, Waltz and Laurent play off one another so well and it really is one of the best opening scenes I have seen in a long while.

3) The bar scene was again very courageous in the way it was executed. It ate a good chunk of time, but was well worth it. The suspense built so beautifully throughout and you anticipated each characters next move.

4) Brad Pitt's performance annoyed me at first, but grew on me throughout the movie. The entire theater was laughing at his lame attempts at Italian.

The Mediocre:

1) The Shosanna and Frederick relationship seemed to drag on a little longer than necessary, but it led up to again another great scene with Waltz and Melanie.

2) Mike Myers and Eli Roth really seemed to struggle in this. You can tell that Roth was not an actor as his accent slips in and out and his lines seemed forced and not natrual. Myers, wow, just sounded like Austin Powers. When he opened his mouth, I couldn't count the number of people who were laughing. The only choice of casting that could have been better.

3) The movie did drag in certain scenes, but nothing to hurt the overall feel of the movie.

4) I knew that Quentin was going to kill Hitler in the movie, but it still came as a bit of a shock. Don't know why or how I feel about it yet.

Overall, I really enjoyed the movie. I still doesn't rank above Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, or Kill Bill V1, but is on the same level as Kill Bill V2.

8/10

[overwatch]

I love that in the tavern shoot out, Hugo Stiglitz amongst all the shooting and craziness still had enough time to take out his knife and stab the Major in the back of the neck repeatedly before he was shot.

[Tweek]

I love that in the tavern shoot out, Hugo Stiglitz amongst all the shooting and craziness still had enough time to take out his knife and stab the Major in the back of the neck repeatedly before he was shot.

I cracked up whenever they cut to him before the mayhem began. So angry.

[Danger^Cart]

I don't know about you guys, but my audience adored Schwiger. Both screenings. He was definetely the house favorite.

[creekin111]

My Grades for QT's Feature length films.
Reservior Dogs= A-
Pulp Fiction= A
Jackie Brown= B
Kill Bill Vol. 1= A-
Kill Bill Vol. 2= B+
Death Proof= B
Inglorious Basterds= B+

[APzombie]

Concerning Eli Roth,

The whole movie to me is about cinema, the power of storytelling (i.e. propaganda), QT's movies always call attention to the fact that they are movies, he makes no bones about that. He can draw you in but at the same time have chapters and numerous title cards.

I think having Eli Roth play what is rumbling gossip amongst the Nazi's as the biggest threat is hilarious because the movie is about cinema and because it is Eli Roth. I'm not putting a brick wall in between his character and who he is in real life. I think a good filmmaker should always put the celebrity/persona of the actors and actresses in mind when they cast them. That's the genius behind great casting, thats why Heath Ledger playing The Joker (having never played an antagonist, let alone a villain) is legions better than Crispen Glover (where an educated film goer recognizes the insanity).

This isn't a demanding role, i think people forget that. Donny is talked about a lot but he only has a handful of lines and when he isn't talking, he's looking bug-eyed crazy and beating people to death. It is hilarious that the storyteller behind one of the most gory America films of the past decade is playing this character. I absolutely love it.

I think everyone in the cast was pitch perfect.

[drc5145]

I cracked up whenever they cut to him before the mayhem began. So angry.

So damn true. He had such a disgusted and annoyed look on his face each time they cut to him. He was in such pain internally, especially when they started the card game. His face said "Are we really going to play this shit?" :D

[creekin111]

Sexual reference alert - Brad's finger in Kruger's leg? ;)

[DaMovieMan]

This isn't a demanding role, i think people forget that. Donny is talked about a lot but he only has a handful of lines and when he isn't talking, he's looking bug-eyed crazy and beating people to death. It is hilarious that the storyteller behind one of the most gory America films of the past decade is playing this character. I absolutely love it.

I think everyone in the cast was pitch perfect.

Interesting thought but do you think Tarantino chose Eli Roth because of this?
To me it sounds like a nice coincidence, but i think he was well cast for the role because of the way he looks (big, hairy) and because he's Jewish.

I loved the motif of rumors/myths/nick-names in the film.

And Danger Cart: definitely Schweiger had the most reaction from my audience in the La Louisanne scene, he stole that show with his anger towards Diehl's Hellstrom. And when he said "that makes three of us" the audience practically cheered.
One of my small gripes in the film was that his character wasn't featured more.

How do you guys rank the chapters in order of how much you enjoy them?

1. Once Upon A Time...
2. Operation Kino
3. Inglourious Basterds
4. The Revenge of the Giant Face
5. German Night in Paris [even though it has one of my favorite scenes in it...]

[Film Fan BeAm2k]

Sexual reference alert - Brad's finger in Kruger's leg? ;)

Hahahahahaha! Yes! One of my favorite parts!

[overwatch]

4. The Revenge of the Giant Face

When I saw this chapter heading, i was thinking "this is the strangest name for a chapter, It's gotta be some random 50's movie that Tarantino has seen". It wasn't until after the movie I realised what it was referring to.

[SuperMarcey]

I think I really loved everyone in the film, I thought all the performances were great actually. Mike Myers yes sounded like Austin Powers however I managed to look passed that.

[LordSimen]

Ugh, it's like the sexism that happened with Death Proof all over again. I keep hearing from other boards how everyone loved the "guy" half of the movie but hated the "chick" half. Why is it so impossible for a guy to enjoy a chick lead in this day and age?

[sbunn10]

Ugh, it's like the sexism that happened with Death Proof all over again. I keep hearing from other boards how everyone loved the "guy" half of the movie but hated the "chick" half. Why is it so impossible for a guy to enjoy a chick lead in this day and age?

that's ridiculous. Melanie Laurent was fantastic and her story was just as interesting as any of the others, imo.

[ilovemovies]

How do you guys rank the chapters in order of how much you enjoy them?

1. Once Upon A Time...
2. Operation Kino
3. Inglourious Basterds
4. The Revenge of the Giant Face
5. German Night in Paris [even though it has one of my favorite scenes in it...]

My order:

1. Inglourious Basterds - 9/10
2. Once Upon A Time . . . - 8/10
3. German Night in Paris - 8/10
4. The Revenge of the Giant Face - 7/10
5. Operation Kino - 5/10

With the movie getting an overall 7/10.

[bigred760]

that's ridiculous. Melanie Laurent was fantastic and her story was just as interesting as any of the others, imo.

As did I. Her story gave the movie more depth and good characters. I liked how she kept shunning the German war hero, even though he couldn't take the hint . . . especially since he worked it to show his movie at her theater.

[Fancyclaps]

One question I have regarding the subtitles. Did anyone notice that sometimes words like "Oui" "Merci" and "Merci Beaucoup" would be translated into English, while other times a character would say "Oui" and the subtitle would also say "Oui." It happened in the first chapter a lot. I highly doubt this was a mistake, but I have no idea what purpose it would serve.

[LordSimen]

I think it was a reference to lazy subbing and/or fansubbing, as many times in those cases words that should be translated are not and other times they are.

[ilovemovies]

Melanie Laurent gave the movie's best performance if you ask me. Shosanna is far and away the movie's strongest character.

[APzombie]

One question I have regarding the subtitles. Did anyone notice that sometimes words like "Oui" "Merci" and "Merci Beaucoup" would be translated into English, while other times a character would say "Oui" and the subtitle would also say "Oui." It happened in the first chapter a lot. I highly doubt this was a mistake, but I have no idea what purpose it would serve.

I think the subtitling process is very important to the storytelling, especially when a filmmaker is dealing with languages they can't speak and know they'll need subtitles in their national preferred print.

Whenever i watch a film with subtitles, i always groan when they decide to subtitle certain things such as Merci, ya, nien, oui, danka, etc. Every moment they take time to sub these words, they are taking away the opportunity for a foreign audience to look in the eyes of the character when they are speaking, which to them is seldom, and it's important to have these moments.

Besides this, most people know these phrases, and even if they don't, they can tell from the tone of voice and expressions on the actor what they just expressed. Not everything has to be subtitled, and when i say that i don't mean they should go all Let The Right One In retarded dvd sub on us, if you are going to do it, do it accurately, i'm simply saying many times there are complete sentances that don't need any subtitles because the audience can feel exactly what the characters are saying through their performance.

I think you are absolutely right when you say it was probably not a mistake in Inglourious Basterds. At first i was wondering why the simple phrases most people could understand were subtitles in the first place, then we see the scene toward the end when Aldo is attempting Italian. The subtitles in this scene make the gag work, because it was subtitling it into Italian and not into English, almost like a cinematic joke that "even Italians won't understand what the fuck this guy is saying."

I thought this was wonderfully executed. I hope they retain the humor in those subtitles in the foreign prints. Funnily enough i read at boxofficemojo that the few screens in Germany showing the original English prints (the same prints shown in England and the U.S.A.) are generating twice the tickets than the dubbed prints. Apparently it's usually even. Happy to hear.

[FilmJunkie1114]

Tied with "Up" as my favorite film this year. Fucking awesome. And Waltz totally deserves an Oscar nod for crafting a Nazi character that's actually polite and cordial and is STILL a creepy bastard.

10/10.

[Le_Big_Mac]

double post

[Le_Big_Mac]

Anybody else think the guy who was cast as the farmer Perrier looked just like a skinnier Stanley Kubrick? Could it be a nod to his unfinished holocaust film? I can't help but think this was on purpose... the guy looks like Kubrick's long lost son.

http://www.cinemarx.ro/poze/postere/actori/den/Denis-Menochet-127269-699.jpg

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/nm_Stanley-Kubrick_090209_ssv.jpg

I think it's more like if Stanley Kubrick and Casey Affleck had a child together.

Even though the character is French, I think his appearance was conceived probably just to make him resemble a typical Italian-played supporting character in a spaghetti western, which is what the first chapter essentially plays like. (It's practically ripped from the second scene of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.)



The film's grown on me over the last 24 hours to the point that I only have two real problems with the film.

One, Donny and Omar, as well as Aldo and presumably Bridget, are unflinching in the face of their impending suicide. It's not even brought up during the scene in the doctor's office. They probably are willing to die for the greater good, but it should at least be addressed.

Two, unless I missed something, it's never explained how "The Little Man" was captured along with Aldo and what he was doing separated from the other Basterds not participating in the movie premiere if he even was.

[Tweek]

^That is an odd resemblance.


I don't know if anyone brought up Hitler's cape. I was very amused by it is all.

I don't know about you guys, but my audience adored Schwiger. Both screenings. He was definetely the house favorite.

I've seen it once so far. The audience at that showing loved him.

So damn true. He had such a
disgusted and annoyed look on his face each time they cut to him. He was in such pain internally, especially when they started the card game. His face said "Are we really going to play this shit?" :D
Indeed. :D

that's ridiculous. Melanie Laurent was fantastic and her story was just as interesting as any of the others, imo.

I'm going to have to concur.

Melanie Laurent gave the movie's best performance if you ask me. Shosanna is far and away the movie's strongest character.

I'm also going to have to concur. Well, it might be a tie between Laurent and Waltz for me.

[corran horn]

Saw it Saturday evening in a half-packed theater (good for Y'town standards) that ranged from my age (20s) to possibly 80, and the older viewers were eating it up!

Easily one of the most enjoyable films of this summer. I can definitely see Christoph Waltz getting a Best Supporting Actor nod and maybe even a win. His Hans Landa is easily one of the most fun villains I've seen in a while. Melanie Laurent's story, while less showy, was definitely the heart of the film, and she did a fine job. It was obvious that Pitt was enjoying every minute of his role as Aldo, and so did I. I really like how he's now doing more eccentric films like this, Benjamin Button, and Tree of Life--as I think these are the kinds of roles he does best.

In short, bravo Mr Tarantino! It took you long enough, but you finally brought the Basterds to the big screen and did it in splendid fashion.

8.5/10

[sbunn10]

One question I have regarding the subtitles. Did anyone notice that sometimes words like "Oui" "Merci" and "Merci Beaucoup" would be translated into English, while other times a character would say "Oui" and the subtitle would also say "Oui." It happened in the first chapter a lot. I highly doubt this was a mistake, but I have no idea what purpose it would serve.

I think it was just Tarantino having a bit of fun. It certainly wasn't an accident, and it seems like a quirky joke he'd do. It made me laugh..

[NoHo]

What was it that Aldo kept sniffing?

[ToddRH]

I'm not going to go back through 8 pages of posts but I liked Samuel Jackson's uncredited narration and also Harvey Keitel's uncredited (even on IMDB) cameo as the commander's voice on the phone at the end of the movie.

Aldo kept sniffing snuff! It was sort of a fine-ground tobacco.

[Earl Bonds]

this is one amazing film. Thing I love about Tarantino, when you go see his movies, you really get a full movie experience. When I go to the movies, I want to see everything that's happening in these stories. Most movies cut away during the violent scenes n shit but here, we get everything. The characters were beyond awesome. I loved the intro, the tension.

Just like in the rest of his movies though. There is that one scene, that's boring as fuck and can be skipped. Just like the date and dance scene with travolta and thurman in Pulp Fiction, the "Dinner with the Germans" scene here is one that I'll definitely be skipping every time I rewatch this. I wish we seen more of the bastards in this movie. Especially the Bear Jew.

Jackie Brown A+
Pulp Fiction A
Kill Bill B+
Inglorious Bastards B+
Kill Bill 2 B
Death Proof C+
Reservoir Dogs D

[outsyder]

An absolutely raucous time. Schweiger and Waltz absolutely stole the show in their respective roles. On top of that, there were some fantastic scenes (mostly involving Waltz) that really put on a clinic in terms of their ability to build an almost overwhelming tension.

8.5/10

[Bourne101]

the "Dinner with the Russians" scene

Uh... what Russians?

Saw the film again tonight and it was even better the second time around.

[Earl Bonds]

Germans

[bigred760]

the "Dinner with the Germans" scene

Which scene was that? The one where Shoshana meets the Nazi film director or the scene in the cellar?

[Earl Bonds]

Which scene was that? The one where Shoshana meets the Nazi film director or the scene in the cellar?

When Emmaulle is taken to the diner against her will where dude announces that he wants the premier at her theater.

[bigred760]

When Emmaulle is taken to the diner against her will where dude announces that he wants the premier at her theater.

Yeah, that wasn't the most exciting scene. I think it definitely got better once Col. Landa showed up and sat down. And then ordered the milk.

[DaMovieMan]

How did you guys feel about the La Louisanne scene in the tavern? I heard lots of complaints about how people found it too talky with a small pay off at the end.

Personally, I think it's my favorite scene after the opening one and i think the quickness of how it all ended just shows how quickly death can happen in a seeminly joyous and relaxed moment.

[Bourne101]

The tavern scene was one of the best scenes in the film. It was unbelievably intense.

[Lazy Boy]

First viewing, I thought the tavern scene dragged, second viewing, I loved it. Had no problem whatsoever. There were little bits that were great: the Gestapo officer repeatedly slapping Stiglitz in the chest, much to his chagrin; the way the officer enters the scene highlights how quiet the room is now that the record has stopped playing; the buildup to the King Kong punchline; the way Hicox gives the signal for more booze; even the dialogue was great. Can't remember, but Hicox's line about going to hell was well played by Michael Fassbender.

Usually scenes I like get a little dull after so many viewings, this one works even better on multiple viewings.

[bigred760]

I loved the tavern scene. It had great writing, directing, and was filled with suspense. When the S.S. guy showed up and joined the Basterds, I was just waiting for something to happen. And that tension just kept growing, with a hell of an ending. Then the scene where Pitt shows up also added to the great scene.

[Le_Big_Mac]

I heard lots of complaints about how people found it too talky with a small pay off at the end.

If that's someone's reason for disliking any scene in Quentin Tarantino's films, they probably shouldn't be watching them to begin with.

[outsyder]

but Hicox's line about going to hell was well played by Michael Fassbender.


I believe it was something along the lines of "There's a special circle in Hell reserved for those who waste good scotch."

[Lazy Boy]

That's the one. Good line.

[Powerslave]

Two, unless I missed something, it's never explained how "The Little Man" was captured along with Aldo and what he was doing separated from the other Basterds not participating in the movie premiere if he even was.
This confused me as well. I had no idea where he came from when he showed up. Did anyone pick up on this?

[outsyder]

This confused me as well. I had no idea where he came from when he showed up. Did anyone pick up on this?

You're right, it was never explained. Clearly it's just one of those things that you need to go along with. It's not much of a stretch to just assume something else went wrong along the way.

[Danger^Cart]

Not to mention there's a couple of Basterds simply unaccounted for.

[Tweek]

I don't know where I heard/read this but I thought The Little Man was acting as their driver for the premeire?

[Bourne101]

Not to mention there's a couple of Basterds simply unaccounted for.

Yeah. In the script at the beginning of the fourth chapter, Tarantino wrote "Anybody not in the scene from the Basterds opening chapter, is dead."

[Danger^Cart]

Yeah but aren't Sam Levine and that sickly looking dude in the barn after Hammersmark gets shot?

[JoeChar4321]

8/10

A long-winded and cartoony yet very compelling film. Some chapters felt plodding and maybe too dialogue laced but I was never bored. Tarantino certainly re-writes history and takes many shortcuts through reality but he does it with flare. This is a hard movie to define or summarize but I'd call it an interesting experimental cross between Pulp Fiction, The Diary of Anne Frank and some depraved Looney Tunes.

Thumbs Up.

[JoeChar4321]

Overall, I really enjoyed the movie. I still doesn't rank above Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, or Kill Bill V1, but is on the same level as Kill Bill V2.

Personally, I think this film craps all over the Kill Bills. (Not as good as Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs, however) Kill Bill was too slick for its own good and FAR too over-the-top. Vol 2 was flat out putrid. Just my two cents and it shows where I stand. I'm not a Tarantino worshipper and I enjoyed Basterds.

[Earl Bonds]

How did you guys feel about the La Louisanne scene in the tavern? I heard lots of complaints about how people found it too talky with a small pay off at the end.

Personally, I think it's my favorite scene after the opening one and i think the quickness of how it all ended just shows how quickly death can happen in a seeminly joyous and relaxed moment.

I loved that scene. I loved the tension but the payoff was weak. Amazing scene terrible payoff.

[Bourne101]

Yeah but aren't Sam Levine and that sickly looking dude in the barn after Hammersmark gets shot?

Yeah, I guess you're right. Anyways, I think his intent was that any of the Basterds that weren't in the final scene died somewhere along the way.

[DaMovieMan]

If that's someone's reason for disliking any scene in Quentin Tarantino's films, they probably shouldn't be watching them to begin with.

Yeah i know, i feel the same way. But rarely has there been an almost twenty minute scene with a 4 second "pay-off" in his previous stuff. Characters that have nothing to do with the plot of the film are given lots of dialogue etc. These are the complaints i've been hearing but personally i don't agree with them one bit and i don't look at it in those terms where there has to be a valid "pay off" at the end. I adore the scene and I think im going to love it even more the second time i see it.

Just thought of another pretty brilliant moment: the older German soldier walking towards Aldo in the second chapter, slow motion, war mixed with western through Morricone; it was quite something.

Praise aside, who else thinks this is Tarantino's weakest soundtrack though some tunes stood out beautifully (most notably, Morricone's track in the first chapter when Landa and his men are driving toward the farm) ?

[Bourne101]

I dunno, Tarantino's soundtracks are all so fucking great. I could really care less if he hired a composer to do his films, he handpicks songs unbelievably well. Obviously Pulp Fiction is probably his best soundtrack, with Kill Bill and Reservoir Dogs also having outstanding soundtracks. Jackie Brown and Death Proof both had excellent soundtracks as well, but I personally think Inglourious Basterds has a better soundtrack than both of those and ranks closer to the soundtracks of Kill Bill and Reservoir Dogs. Each song just seems to fit perfectly with every scene. His use of Morricone is just stunning.

My personal favourite use of music in Inglourious Basterds is when Surrender by Ennio Morricone plays while the Bear Jew comes out from the darkness and walks toward the German soldier with his bat.

[gyro_44]

Wow. Awesome.

I was worried Tarantino was getting too self-indulgent but this shows a mark of real maturity, as well as his usual comic touch and love of cinema filling every frame.

Pitt was hilariously funny in his role and I could have even used a bit more of him. Christoph Waltz is smooth as silk, I reveled in pretty much every syllable that came out of his mouth. There are some extremely memorable characters in the film, and some damn good acting. Stiglitz was totally badass and I loved his intro.

The opening scene sustained tension beautifully, all due to the performances of Waltz and that other dude, and Tarantino's masterful work as writer/director. This film is definitely one of his strongest. I thought the tavern scene ran long and the middle was a bit flabby, but like others have said, I think it will run smoother the second time around. The payoff was certainly worth it.

9/10

[drc5145]

First viewing, I thought the tavern scene dragged, second viewing, I loved it. Had no problem whatsoever. There were little bits that were great: the Gestapo officer repeatedly slapping Stiglitz in the chest, much to his chagrin; the way the officer enters the scene highlights how quiet the room is now that the record has stopped playing; the buildup to the King Kong punchline; the way Hicox gives the signal for more booze; even the dialogue was great. Can't remember, but Hicox's line about going to hell was well played by Michael Fassbender.

Usually scenes I like get a little dull after so many viewings, this one works even better on multiple viewings.

This happened to me as well. It dragged on for me the 1st time I saw it but when I went to see it the 2nd time, It felt much faster and the pace felt perfect. I was able to sitback the 2nd time and catch all the little nuances and details you mentioned such as the signaling of the booze and when the Gestapo officer notices it. I think he movie in general actually improves with more viewings. It certainly did with me.

[Earl Bonds]

I dunno, Tarantino's soundtracks are all so fucking great. I could really care less if he hired a composer to do his films, he handpicks songs unbelievably well. Obviously Pulp Fiction is probably his best soundtrack, with Kill Bill and Reservoir Dogs also having outstanding soundtracks. Jackie Brown and Death Proof both had excellent soundtracks as well, but I personally think Inglourious Basterds has a better soundtrack than both of those and ranks closer to the soundtracks of Kill Bill and Reservoir Dogs. Each song just seems to fit perfectly with every scene. His use of Morricone is just stunning.

My personal favourite use of music in Inglourious Basterds is when Surrender by Ennio Morricone plays while the Bear Jew comes out from the darkness and walks toward the German soldier with his bat.

Agreed, he always picks amazing music. I love the use of David Bowie, that entire scene reminded me of Richard Kelly movies. He always plays a great tune to the long takes (School scene in Donnie Dark to Tears for Fears and the Dance scene at the end of Southland tales)

[Le_Big_Mac]

I dunno, Tarantino's soundtracks are all so fucking great. I could really care less if he hired a composer to do his films, he handpicks songs unbelievably well. Obviously Pulp Fiction is probably his best soundtrack, with Kill Bill and Reservoir Dogs also having outstanding soundtracks. Jackie Brown and Death Proof both had excellent soundtracks as well, but I personally think Inglourious Basterds has a better soundtrack than both of those and ranks closer to the soundtracks of Kill Bill and Reservoir Dogs. Each song just seems to fit perfectly with every scene. His use of Morricone is just stunning.

Agreed, granted the music in the first scene maybe could have been somewhat different given the scene's already insurmountable Leone-esqueness.

I think my favorite use of music in the film though was the David Bowie song, which was actually written for the '80s remake of Cat People. It's a great example of one of the things Tarantino does best: taking details from movies most people have never heard of or don't remember and refashioning them in a format that gives way to greatness.

[< a c e >]

I was disappointed a little by Deathproof. Although the action sequences were awesome, the chick talk was pretentious and not working
. I know a lot of hardcore fans have theories on how it was intentional, but those parts were boring cinematic moments. I just felt like he could have done a lot more with the genre.

But Boy! has he come back with the Basterds!

Watched Basterds yesterday. I loved it (8/10) and I think it's one of his more mature efforts. Although there is a lot of talk about German Cinema etc., it is still one of his less seemingly self indulgent works. As a fan, it was a great time at the cinema to see the tarantino universe expand into the past.

More than to take liberty with history (It was expected), I appreciated the guts he showed:
-to choose to convey almost 3/4th of the film in foreign languages.
-to not let it be a Brad Pitt film. Not because he's a star but more because Aldo seemed to be a fun character and I think anyone else would have wanted to include him more in the scenes, but Quentin's measurement was spot on.

There were two things I wanted a discussion for.

1) I really did feel that the movie was mis-marketed. We all knew it was a Tarantino movie, so the dialogues are something we expect and love. But somewhere in my head I was waiting to see 'War through the eyes of Quentin Tarantino'. I figured we saw Asian Action thru his eyes so now it'll be the war. A couple of reels into the film and you understand that it's a war of a different kind, but that's not what the trailers indicated.

And the people I watched it with were disappointed about the lack of Brad Pitt. The trailers were certainly misleading. I wasn't disappointed one bit though. Because once the second chapter started rolling I knew what I was in for and I loved it.


SPOILER XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX It's amazing how the raw depiction of scalping of dead bodies is more effective than showing war sequences in terms of glorifying the BasterdsXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
SPOILER END


So I came back and put on the trailers again and realized that they did lack the tarantino touch. After watching the film you sorta realize that it's exactly something a professional marketing Joe would do to attract the masses to the film which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it's a move that sometimes may turn the tables. Nonetheless, I hope the movie kicks ass in the second week too.

2) Hans Landa. Absolutely no doubt in the fact that it was brilliantly performed by Waltz. The subtlety was exquisite. There was a certain menace and poise in his tone and it was great to see how Tarantino didn't fail to do something he always does- to build up tension with great situations and dialogues. BUT as an after-thought, it is a character we have seen in the past. The character, as unpredictable as the movie may have us believe he is, was THAT predictable. He had a new uniform ofcourse, but haven't we seen it before?

I felt Pitt was just as great as Waltz. Pitt's was monotonous and had less screen time no doubt, but it was great to see Aldo reacting to the situations he was put in.


All in all, it was an experience I'll cherish. It reminded me of Reservoir dogs in the sense that Dogs is a heist movie where you don't see the heist, and Basterds is a second world war film where you don't really see the war.

(SPOILER:XXXXXXNo. The climax is not a war... it's an ambush SPOILER ENDXXXXXXXX)

And we expect no less from our favorite-fan-boy-director-geek-visionary.

[poopontheshoes7]

God! I can't get this movie out of my head! Saw it again yesterday and am pretty sure this is one of my favorite movies ever.

[overwatch]

I can't stop thinking about the mixed feelings about the violence in this movie. On one hand you're supposed to "enjoy" the killing of these nazi's. But there's that scene where Donny comes out of the tunnel and points to the soldiers medal and says "Did you get that for killing jews?" "Bravery", as soon as he said that, my heart sunk. I was supposed to be looking forward to this moment, the first time in the movie when I get to see a nazi get his just desserts. Watch a german nazi get fucked up by a Jew. And then the asshole just totally stole the victory from me with that line. And then I had to sit there while I watched Donny beat to death this human being.

[Earl Bonds]

I can't stop thinking about the mixed feelings about the violence in this movie. On one hand you're supposed to "enjoy" the killing of these nazi's. But there's that scene where Donny comes out of the tunnel and points to the soldiers medal and says "Did you get that for killing jews?" "Bravery", as soon as he said that, my heart sunk. I was supposed to be looking forward to this moment, the first time in the movie when I get to see a nazi get his just desserts. Watch a german nazi get fucked up by a Jew. And then the asshole just totally stole the victory from me with that line. And then I had to sit there while I watched Donny beat to death this human being.

WTF?

whats so heartbreaking about that line?

[Le_Big_Mac]

I can't stop thinking about the mixed feelings about the violence in this movie. On one hand you're supposed to "enjoy" the killing of these nazi's. But there's that scene where Donny comes out of the tunnel and points to the soldiers medal and says "Did you get that for killing jews?" "Bravery", as soon as he said that, my heart sunk. I was supposed to be looking forward to this moment, the first time in the movie when I get to see a nazi get his just desserts. Watch a german nazi get fucked up by a Jew. And then the asshole just totally stole the victory from me with that line. And then I had to sit there while I watched Donny beat to death this human being.

I think the fact that he kills Jews or at least fights for such a cause outweighs the fact that maybe he fought courageously in some battle (albeit on the side of evil). Tarantino was pretty thorough in making sure there are no Nazis in this film to sympathize with, unlike in most WWII movies of its kind.

[Bourne101]

I think Werner saying "Fuck you and your Jew dogs," pretty much sealed the deal that he was a piece of shit.

[Earl Bonds]

Their fucking nazis, who the fuck wants to sympathize with them? The whole theater erupted in cheering when the bat hit his head.

[Tweek]

I think Werner saying "Fuck you and your Jew dogs," pretty much sealed the deal that he was a piece of shit.

That is a bingo! :p (I can't wait until at least one of my friends sees it so I can quote the movie with them.)

[Danger^Cart]

I love Eli's expression after the "bravery" line. I can't tell if it's a look of faux sympathy or if it's genuine, all I know is it's the perfect prologue to the vicious beating he's about to deal out.

Though some (most) of his line delivery is amateur, his physical acting was pretty awesome.

[Strider]

I dunno, Tarantino's soundtracks are all so fucking great. I could really care less if he hired a composer to do his films, he handpicks songs unbelievably well. Obviously Pulp Fiction is probably his best soundtrack, with Kill Bill and Reservoir Dogs also having outstanding soundtracks. Jackie Brown and Death Proof both had excellent soundtracks as well, but I personally think Inglourious Basterds has a better soundtrack than both of those and ranks closer to the soundtracks of Kill Bill and Reservoir Dogs. Each song just seems to fit perfectly with every scene. His use of Morricone is just stunning.

My personal favourite use of music in Inglourious Basterds is when Surrender by Ennio Morricone plays while the Bear Jew comes out from the darkness and walks toward the German soldier with his bat.

I couldn't agree more. Tarantino seriously knows how to pick songs for his films' OSTs. I bought the Basterds OST last week, and I've been listening to it almost non-stop. It's simply terrific. I don't think it's QT's best OST, but it's definitely among his absolute best. I'd put in the top three.

As for QT's use of Morricone in Basterds, I vote for "Un Amico", which, of course, plays over the projectionist booth scene with Shosanna and Zoller -- powerful, beautiful, flawless. One of my favorite scenes in the film.

BTW -- I missed the discussion on Eli Roth in the previous page, so I'll just say that he delivered a solid performance. I was surprised. If I'm not mistaken, APzombie mentioned what a great idea it was for QT to cast the director of gory horror flicks as the bad-ass, thirsty-for-Nazi-blood "Bear Jew" -- I totally second that.

Strider

[hyena]

I love the Landa avatars that have popped up the last couple days. Goddamn what an amazing character.

What an mindblowingly great film...I convinced a group of friends to see it with me Saturday (It will be my third viewing) and I can't freaking wait. It's been way too long since a film has had this effect on me.

[Dr.Frankenstein]

Just saw it tonight- *1/2 outta 5 stars....:( But enjoyed the alternate version of David Bowie's "Cat People: Putting Out Fire"-The original version was from Bowie's 1983 "Let's Dance " + the original version was used on the film "Cat People"

[Reigh Kaufman]

I can't stop thinking about the mixed feelings about the violence in this movie. On one hand you're supposed to "enjoy" the killing of these nazi's. But there's that scene where Donny comes out of the tunnel and points to the soldiers medal and says "Did you get that for killing jews?" "Bravery", as soon as he said that, my heart sunk. I was supposed to be looking forward to this moment, the first time in the movie when I get to see a nazi get his just desserts. Watch a german nazi get fucked up by a Jew. And then the asshole just totally stole the victory from me with that line. And then I had to sit there while I watched Donny beat to death this human being.

Actually, I understand this complaint. The German is dignified, polite, respectful, and absolutely refuses to betray his comrades. I felt, and still feel, despite his Jew Dog comment, which seemed more like bravado than anti-Semitism, that his death was the biggest bum-note in the film. To then revel in his unarmed murder at the hands of Donny made the Basterds absolutely less heroic...

That they let the next shit-bag off with a permanent tattoo - that could easily be covered by a hat - for being a traitor soured the whole scene for me.

[Earl Bonds]

Actually, I understand this complaint. The German is dignified, polite, respectful, and absolutely refuses to betray his comrades. I felt, and still feel, despite his Jew Dog comment, which seemed more like bravado than anti-Semitism, that his death was the biggest bum-note in the film. To then revel in his unarmed murder at the hands of Donny made the Basterds absolutely less heroic...

That they let the next shit-bag off with a permanent tattoo - that could easily be covered by a hat - for being a traitor soured the whole scene for me.

Who gives a fuck? hes a Nazi

[DaMovieMan]

Actually, I understand this complaint. The German is dignified, polite, respectful, and absolutely refuses to betray his comrades. I felt, and still feel, despite his Jew Dog comment, which seemed more like bravado than anti-Semitism, that his death was the biggest bum-note in the film. To then revel in his unarmed murder at the hands of Donny made the Basterds absolutely less heroic...

That they let the next shit-bag off with a permanent tattoo - that could easily be covered by a hat - for being a traitor soured the whole scene for me.

Agreed with everything apart from the last part....but i feel that works in favor because they're not meant to be really heroic and it's a good scene to prove why.

Who gives a fuck? hes a Nazi

Believe it or not, Nazis were human too.

[outsyder]

There is a difference between a Nazi and a German soldier, even if they aren't mutually exclusive.

[Bourne101]

Quentin addresses the questioning of the morality of the Basterds quite well in his interview with Charlie Rose. I suggest you take a look at it if you're interested or are struggling with the issue of morality in the film.

[Earl Bonds]

There is a difference between a Nazi and a German soldier, even if they aren't mutually exclusive.

uhh....Not really

[Earl Bonds]

Quentin addresses the questioning of the morality of the Basterds quite well in his interview with Charlie Rose. I suggest you take a look at it if you're interested or are struggling with the issue of morality in the film.

It's a movie, people shouldn't be concerned with Morality. It says at the beginning of the movie "Once upon a fucking time". and during the trailers it's made clear, this movie is about killing nazis. I cant believe people actually came out of this movie feeling bad for the Nazis....

[Earl Bonds]

Believe it or not, Nazis were human too.

They were?
Is that suppose to make me feel for them or something?

Nobody gives a fuck, thats why theres a million videogames where your main objective is to kill nazis. You can slaughter a million nazis on screen and nobody will blink an eye.

[DaMovieMan]

They were?
Is that suppose to make me feel for them or something?

Nobody gives a fuck, thats why theres a million videogames where your main objective is to kill nazis. You can slaughter a million nazis on screen and nobody will blink an eye.

Yes and never say nobody. I'm sure people blinked. Actually a few people left the theater I was in after the bat scene we've been discussing.

There were soldiers that fought for their country first, and believed in the Nazi ideals second or third etc.

Definitely checking that Rose interview out soon.

I would say the one Nazi you feel the most for is Wilhelm (or Willy :D) in the tavern scene. I'm sure QT purposefully portrayed him that way.

[outsyder]

uhh....Not really

So then you must believe all German military personnel were members of the National Socialist Party?

[Tweek]

Oh god, the two in the scene in the movie this thread is about were, though.

Shit.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Just because a movie opens with a title , Once upon a fucking time doesn't mean the images you see will somehow exist in a moral black and white vacuum .

Even fantasy can have an emotional effect contrary to the director's intentions, each individual will experience it in a different manner.

Obviously, regardless of Qt's intentions, some people seem to have sympathized with certain character's plights. From their emotional point of view, certain people didn't deserve their ultimate fate.

[Earl Bonds]

Yes and never say nobody. I'm sure people blinked. Actually a few people left the theater I was in after the bat scene we've been discussing.

There were soldiers that fought for their country first, and believed in the Nazi ideals second or third etc.

Definitely checking that Rose interview out soon.

I would say the one Nazi you feel the most for is Wilhelm (or Willy :D) in the tavern scene. I'm sure QT purposefully portrayed him that way.

Doesn't matter what they believed, they were fighting for a side that was performing a genocide. Why are you so worried about how they are being portrayed?

[Earl Bonds]

So then you must believe all German military personnel were members of the National Socialist Party?

what part of "Once upon a time" did you not get?

[Earl Bonds]

Just because a movie opens with a title , Once upon a fucking time doesn't mean the images you see will somehow exist in a moral black and white vacuum .

Even fantasy can have an emotional effect contrary to the director's intentions, each individual will experience it in a different manner.

Obviously, regardless of Qt's intentions, some people seem to have sympathized with certain character's plights. From their emotional point of view, certain people didn't deserve their ultimate fate.

Its a fucking movie. those "Certain people" your talking about are fake, they were made up by QT when he was writing the script. How do you know they didn't deserve their fate? Did he show their life stories or something? did I miss that part?

[Tweek]

This isn't a thread for us to go into political beliefs.

[overwatch]

This isn't a thread for us to go into political beliefs.For the love of god, we are having a discussion about the title movie. Can we do that?

[Tweek]

Not when it turns into a political discussion, which is what this thread was doing. It's possible to talk about a movie based around World War 2 (especially one that altered the timeline like this did) and not get into this territory.

[LordSimen]

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see Tweek's post. My bad. =)

[outsyder]

what part of "Once upon a time" did you not get?

You aren't even respecting the ideas within the film itself. There are numerous moments in the film when members of the German army are portrayed as not simply as faceless evil monsters incapable of any form of human compassion.

But OH NO ONCE UPON A TIME YOU GUYS.

[Tweek]

You aren't even respecting the ideas within the film itself. There are numerous moments in the film when members of the German army are portrayed as not simply as faceless evil monsters incapable of any form of human compassion.

Yeah. Zoller toward the end for example, although it was brief. I can sort've see the point some of you were making about sympathizing with the guy Donowitz beat to death but I didn't find him sympathetic personally.

[RicochetShaw]

Did that strudel & cream look tasty or what?

[LordSimen]

Meh. Personally, they were Nazis. You could have them sitting there crying over some dead family members due to the war torn state of the world at the time and I still wouldn't have any sympathy for them. Nazi's are human, but human scum who deserve no such sympathy. The Basterds were every bit heroes in the truest sense of the world if you ask me. Fuck the Nazi's. :D

[RicochetShaw]

As per the whole glorifying the "basterds" (allusion?) as noble heroes for killing Nazis, I think that's to miss a huge point of the film. The Zoller picture, which glorifies the said sniper as a hero for picking off Frenchman, is of course a rather disgusting premise (or at least, should be to those with a sense of morality, right?) Added to this, we see Hitler and others relishing in this "hero" slaughtering the enemy (who, of course, are the "good guys" to us). This should make the viewer feel an even deeper degree of disgust. Then, of course, we realize this is a mirror of what this film itself is doing - glorifying war criminals (the Basterds) as heroes, and sensationalizing their slaughter of the bad guys... in such a way that it's a joy to watch. Very clever, Mr. Tarantino.

[overwatch]

In a sense, Taratino has put us in Hitler's position. We are sitting there in the theatre watching as our hero is butchering the enemy left and right, all the while having a wonderful time.

[Tweek]

Did that strudel & cream look tasty or what?
It sure did.


As per the whole glorifying the "basterds" (allusion?) as noble heroes for killing Nazis, I think that's to miss a huge point of the film. The Zoller picture, which glorifies the said sniper as a hero for picking off Frenchman, is of course a rather disgusting premise (or at least, should be to those with a sense of morality, right?) Added to this, we see Hitler and others relishing in this "hero" slaughtering the enemy (who, of course, are the "good guys" to us). This should make the viewer feel an even deeper degree of disgust. Then, of course, we realize this is a mirror of what this film itself is doing - glorifying war criminals as heroes, and sensationalizing their slaughter of the bad guys... in such a way that it's a joy to watch. Very clever, Mr. Tarantino.

I didn't think of it like that before. Clever indeed.

[Bourne101]

From their emotional point of view, certain people didn't deserve their ultimate fate.

This is the great thing about Tarantino films. He makes you love and hate both good and bad guys. Did Marvin deserve his ultimate fate in Pulp Fiction? How about the guys in the apartment at the beginning who were very young and didn't know what they had gotten themselves into? We sympathize with those guys, yet we also sympathize and love the characters of Jules and Vincent, the ones who killed those guys that we sympathized with.

[bigred760]

As per the whole glorifying the "basterds" (allusion?) as noble heroes for killing Nazis, I think that's to miss a huge point of the film. The Zoller picture, which glorifies the said sniper as a hero for picking off Frenchman, is of course a rather disgusting premise (or at least, should be to those with a sense of morality, right?) Added to this, we see Hitler and others relishing in this "hero" slaughtering the enemy (who, of course, are the "good guys" to us). This should make the viewer feel an even deeper degree of disgust. Then, of course, we realize this is a mirror of what this film itself is doing - glorifying war criminals (the Basterds) as heroes, and sensationalizing their slaughter of the bad guys... in such a way that it's a joy to watch. Very clever, Mr. Tarantino.

That's a great catch, RShaw. I didn't think about that. Very clever, indeed.

[Earl Bonds]

Meh. Personally, they were Nazis. You could have them sitting there crying over some dead family members due to the war torn state of the world at the time and I still wouldn't have any sympathy for them. Nazi's are human, but human scum who deserve no such sympathy. The Basterds were every bit heroes in the truest sense of the world if you ask me. Fuck the Nazi's. :D

Exactly, I find it hard to understand that people on this forum were actually crying and leaving the theater because of the way a Nazi got killed

[Reigh Kaufman]

Exactly, I find it hard to understand that people on this forum were actually crying and leaving the theater because of the way a Nazi got killed

I don't want to sound churlish because it is only a movie and by definition QT made the German solider a Nazi so that he could be murdered without remorse from the audience...but there are two very obvious things that we are overlooking here.

The National Socialist Party in Germany would bankrupt or ruin any person who refused to sign up and pledge their allegiance to the Fuhrer. Therefore many German civilians had no alternative but to sign up to the party. Only those who were rich enough to escape the country could flee as National Socialism reached fever pitch. The ordinary poor and lower classes had to adhere to the priciples of Nazism or face being beaten starved and persecuted by their own countrymen. The result is that while many were members of the Nazi Party, they did not truly believe what it stood for. Unfortunately, their family members were then conscripted by the German army, which is the equivalent of being forced to fight.

So, yeah, not all German soldiers were Nazis in principle. They were Nazis because they had guns pointed at their families heads.

This German was, however, a Nazi, probably even radical with it, though I still found his murder left a bad taste.

And here's why.

If the Germans are inhumane, monstrous, evil and inhumane, how are we - the good guys - any different from them if we beat them to death with baseball bats (inflicting a prolonged period of mental anguish by slowly appearing from a dark tunnel), while they are unarmed and unable to conscienably betray the lives of a dozen of his comrades. We call them Nazis and it distinguishes them from the rest of mankid because of how cruel they were...but the Basterds raison d'etre was, to paraphrase, to be worse than the Nazis.

Therein lies the conundrum. We can't kill people for being inhumane by being even more inhumane. That's how you become an animal.

I would also point out one last thing. The German was a Prisoner of War. The Third Treaty of the Geneva Convention (which came into place in 1929) apparently does not apply to any countries soldiers, American, German or otherwise. The Basterds, therefore, are actually war criminals...

[LordSimen]

If the Germans are inhumane, monstrous, evil and inhumane, how are we - the good guys - any different from them if we beat them to death with baseball bats (inflicting a prolonged period of mental anguish by slowly appearing from a dark tunnel), while they are unarmed and unable to conscienably betray the lives of a dozen of his comrades. We call them Nazis and it distinguishes them from the rest of mankid because of how cruel they were...but the Basterds raison d'etre was, to paraphrase, to be worse than the Nazis.


We're different in that we're doing it to the damn Nazi's, not innocent victim whose only real crime was being born within a family that practices a certain religion. Yes, they set out to be worse than the Nazi's... To the Nazi's. So it's all good. :cool:

[Reigh Kaufman]

We're different in that we're doing it to the damn Nazi's, not innocent victim whose only real crime was being born within a family that practices a certain religion. Yes, they set out to be worse than the Nazi's... To the Nazi's. So it's all good. :cool:

Being more evil than evil makes you good?

Tell me, if the Nazi manifesto included the deliberate rape of women under 14 years of age, would it be justifiable for Aldo to get the Basterds to respond by raping members of the Young National Socialist Party?

It's wilfully obtuse, but you see my point? And if you don't, who cares, it is just a movie...

I think we're taking it a bit too seriously, now that I read the thread over.

[bigred760]

Being more evil than evil makes you good?

Tell me, if the Nazi manifesto included the deliberate rape of women under 14 years of age, would it be justifiable for Aldo to get the Basterds to respond by raping members of the Young National Socialist Party?

It's wilfully obtuse, but you see my point? And if you don't, who cares, it is just a movie...

I think we're taking it a bit too seriously, now that I read the thread over.

I wonder if this is what Tarantino was trying to point out. Are we any better than the Nazis for enjoying watching the brutal killings of those we hate? It's an interesting topic of discussion.

[LordSimen]

Being more evil than evil makes you good?



That's not being evil. That's administering justice. What the Nazi's did was evil.


Tell me, if the Nazi manifesto included the deliberate rape of women under 14 years of age, would it be justifiable for Aldo to get the Basterds to respond by raping members of the Young National Socialist Party?


I certainly wouldn't object. ;)

[Earl Bonds]

Being more evil than evil makes you good?

Tell me, if the Nazi manifesto included the deliberate rape of women under 14 years of age, would it be justifiable for Aldo to get the Basterds to respond by raping members of the Young National Socialist Party?

It's wilfully obtuse, but you see my point? And if you don't, who cares, it is just a movie...

I think we're taking it a bit too seriously, now that I read the thread over.


It's definitely justified. It all depends on which side your fighting for bro. The faster u realize this, the better off you will be. Keep in mind, Nazis were slaughtering innocents, the bastards were slaughtering the Nazis because they were slaughtering innocents.

[bigred760]

It's definitely justified. It all depends on which side your fighting for bro. The faster u realize this, the better off you will be. Keep in mind, Nazis were slaughtering innocents, the bastards were slaughtering the Nazis because they were slaughtering innocents.

Isn't that the same argument that Ras Al-Ghul makes in Batman Begins? He was planning on having gangsters, corrupt officials, murderers, thieves, etc. who thrived on the fearful destroy themselves through fear because they were evil. Were Al-Ghul's reasons justified because he was going to kill bad men?

[Reigh Kaufman]

I certainly wouldn't object. ;)

Can I ask you to clarify this statement?

[LordSimen]

Can I ask you to clarify this statement?

The answer is yes.

[Reigh Kaufman]

The answer is yes.

You would advocate the use of raping minors under 14 years of age and could justify it?

[LordSimen]

You would advocate the use of raping minors under 14 years of age and could justify it?

I'm talkin' about rapin' Nazi's. Not sure what this has to do with underage kids.

[Reigh Kaufman]

Read my post. It's pretty clear. Pretty hard not to misinterpret.

I mean, I uderstand Bonds argument - even if I disagree - but I asked a very specific question: If Nazis advocated raping minors, would you support the Allies raping minors in the Young Nazi Party (who were children; not soldiers)?

I ask for clarification precisely because I did not think you had understood my question.

I am no less perturbed that you find rape an acceptable weapon of war, no matter the age, however, and find this whole discussion is taking a disagreeable turn.

Let's just drop it. I shouldn't have over-thought the movie...

Wow.

[LordSimen]

Ah, I see what I misread now. And yes, we should probably drop this.

[Natty]

Jokes, jokes, jokes.

My inbox is flooded with 'responses to the Inglourious Basterds thread' and I thought 'LordSimen strikes again!', lo and behold I was correct.

Anyways, you've dropped it, good show.

[outsyder]

Yeah. Zoller toward the end for example, although it was brief. I can sort've see the point some of you were making about sympathizing with the guy Donowitz beat to death but I didn't find him sympathetic personally.

I didn't find him overtly sympathetic, nor really dwell upon his death, but I wasn't frothing at the mouth for blood either.

[john_rambo]

It is time for me to review this movie... and I must say.

Holy shit this movie was fucking awesome! Those complaining about the dialogue and what not really have not seen a Tarantino movie. I was never bored once with any of the dialogue. The Tavern scene was brilliant, if not only to see Til Schweiger's looks of disgust the entire time the officer was at the table. Maybe if you were wanting 2 and a half hour Nazi Torture Porn movie you would be disappointed, but me I thought it was brilliant, and can't think of any scenes that did not help out with the story (well maybe the 5 seconds of the filmmaker nailing the other chick). Aldo was a brilliant character, as were the Bear Jew and Hugo Stiglitz. I know Eli Roth got some flack when he was signed for it, but I thought he was awesome in the role. Mike Myers cameo was great as well. Christopher Waltz deserves all the praise he is getting for this one. The 20 minutes or so were just brilliant. I loved it all. All in all, the best movie of 2009, and I will be completely shocked if this one is derailed for me.

10/10

EDIT:

I just saw this and am laughin my ass off at it, and I do not know why. It is a remix of Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InsspuvAmBs

[The Heart Collector]

About as perfect as a movie can get.

[blankpage]

Finally saw this today.

Everything that can be said has been said. What I was hoping for and more. Tarantino's finest since "Pulp Fiction". Demands a re-watch immediately.

[sbunn10]

Good to see that everyone loved it nearly as much as I did. I can't wait to see it again, but I've been super busy with school.... I may go tomorrow though.

[Weapon X]

Finally got to see it today, and I had a blast. Certainly the film is heavy with dialogue, as in most of Tarantino's work, but the dialogue scenes in Inglourious Basterds just smolder with tension; with the unshakeable feeling that something awful is going to happen, something that will make you either cheer or gasp. The opening parlay between Landa and the dairy farmer reminded me of Lee Van Cleef's first scene in The Good The Bad & The Ugly, likely a clear reference to that film from QT. Tarantino's had a Sergio Leone hardon that he's proudly worn on his sleeve for years, and it's here that he perfects his own brand of Leone's drawn-out dialogues capped off by quick bursts of action.

Brad Pitt's accent is a hoot to listen to, especially when he grunts and drawls his way through an Italian conversation. I loved the crack of the baseball bat accompanying the introduction of Eli Roth's "Bear Jew", though the mystique of the character kind of dulls once Roth opens his mouth. Til Schwieger is a great ticking time bomb, and you can hear his fuse drawing shorter from the moment the SS Officer enters the room in that classic Leone-style "where the hell'd he come from?" fashion. Christophe Waltz is easily the film's real star attraction, as he's all at once charming, reprehensible, methodical, and just plain fun to watch. Shoshanna's revenge story played out in the grandest fashion, thanks to the calmly ferocious, diabolical genius Melanie Laurent gives the character. The rest of the cast plays along with the insanity fantastically, including an almost unrecognizable Mike Myers, and even from surprise vocal cameos from Samuel L. Jackson and Harvey Keitel.

And when the bullets fly and the blood flows...holy shit, you know it's a Tarantino flick. If you've never seen a scalping up close, it's your lucky day. Wanna see Nazis get shot the fuck up and left coated in the misty spray of their own blood? Consider yourself served.

To hell with history. Inglourious Basterds is how I'll remember WWII, thank you.

*takes off to start his collection of Nazi scalps*

[The Heart Collector]

I loved that scene. I loved the tension but the payoff was weak. Amazing scene terrible payoff.

are you fuckin kidding me man, "say auf wiedershen to your nazi balls" is the best payoff in human history.

[DaMovieMan]

that's one of the best lines in the script but i think he means that the pay off was way too short. a 4 second blast off scene with you have no idea who's killing who after a 20 minute dialogue driven build up.

[bigred760]

I pretty much guessed that every single bastard (no pun intended)(well maybe a little) in that room was going to die when the S.S. guy showed up to ask about the accent. I think the scene isn't about the "payoff" but about the entire sequence: meeting the actress, seeing how things start to go downhill for the basterds, and how it all falls apart. That and throw in a little Brad Pitt after the main part of the sequence is over. And all that is done is classic Tarantino fashion.

I'd probably call it my favorite scene in the movie.

[Katel2]

This is a film where the last 20 minutes makes every other part of the film click into place in a satisfying way. loved it

[gyro_44]

Did that strudel & cream look tasty or what?
I'm still thinking about that damn strudel.

[Scarface98.9]

I loved this little detail I just noticed on my 2nd viewing yesterday:


SPOILERS (obviously)

When Hans is talking to Bridget and the basterds at the premiere, I loved how Hans repeatedly makes Aldo and Donny repeat their name, obviously knowing they're fake, yet the Basterd who knows the least Italian, he only makes him say his name once and praises his pronounciation


END SPOILERS

[DrJellyfingers]

I'm still thinking about that damn strudel.

with the cigarette butt in it?

[Reigh Kaufman]

Strudel with a $5 dollar shake, no bourbon or nothin', and a slice of Key Lime pie with sprite to wash down a cheeseburger, the cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast.

Hmmmmm.

I'm hungry. Let's get a taco.

[Johnni G]

Man I want to see this ASAP.

[inglourious basterd]

When I saw them play excerpts of "nation's pride", I smiled. I thought that the Nazi's celebration of Italian deaths was not unlike most audiences' reactions to Nazi deaths in Inglourious Bastards.

The parallel between the two movies highlights Inglourious basterds' effectiveness as a propoganda film.

[Frosty_86]

Damn it I wanna see it again so bad


I Loved every minute of it. I love how this movie really was a celebration of film itself, hell they talk about movies half the damn movie. I love the fact that Tarantino took the best elements from his movies; the shootout in the bar was very reminiscent of Reservior Dogs, the music was used similar to how it was in Kill Bill, and the baseball bat scene had a feel very similar to the apartment scene at the beginning of Pulp Fiction. I loved every minute of it (I dont think I can say that enough), the bar shootout the build up was just so nerve racking and intense in a good way. It was Tarantino's best ending to, "This is my masterpeice" that was awesome.

[ToasT]

I haven't shared my thoughts on this forum in a very long time. But I feel I have to now.

Inglourious Basterds is an excellent movie. In my opinion, a kind of redemption from his last stinker, Death Proof. This film reminded me that he can still write engaging dialogue and can still choreograph well acted set pieces (the tavern sequence). But unfortunately not perfect.

This movie is missing a crucial scene that humanizes the Basterds. You understand their cause for brutal violence but you are not emotionally attached to them as you are to Shoshanna or even Col. Hans Landa. We've witnessed the tragedy that befell Shoshanna's family which brought fuel for quest of vengeance and we've witnessed the evil that is Landa as he coldly and joyfully killed. But all we know about these Basterds are that they are Jews and wish to kill Nazis. There are no back-stories that draw us to these characters. Maybe, for some, that is all that needs to be said. Or maybe that is how Tarantino wished his Jewish death-squad to be viewed by the audience. But for me, the deaths of these Basterds pulled no feelings of sadness. The title of the film is Inglourious Basterds and yet the Basterds were the least interesting of all the characters... with the exception of Stiglitz of course.:)

But overall a very well crafted film deserving of repeat viewing and an Oscar nod to Christoph Waltz for Best Supporting Actor. 8.5 out of 10.

[Bourne101]

After viewing it for a third time today, I can safely say that, like most of Tarantino's' films, this one gets better with every re-watch.

[Danger^Cart]

Who else has claimed this as their favorite QT film.

[hyena]

Originally it was PF, now it's this. In fact, I'm not ashamed to say it might be my new overall favorite.

[Sigur509]

I will definitely be seeing this a third time.

[outsyder]

Going for a 2nd time tonight.

[bigred760]

To me, Pulp Fiction is still his best film. But Inglourious Basterds is still a great film and my favorite of '09 to date.

[Mr.HyDe807]

I definitely need to go check out a 2nd showing one of these remaining days before I go back to college.

[DaMovieMan]

Yeah after the World Fest is done here in Montreal, I'll be seeing it a second time. Can't wait!!!

[Bourne101]

In my original review I forgot to mention August Diehl, who gives an excellent performance. His presence and acting really created a lot of tension during the tavern scene.

[ericdraven]

I loved this little detail I just noticed on my 2nd viewing yesterday:


SPOILERS (obviously)

When Hans is talking to Bridget and the basterds at the premiere, I loved how Hans repeatedly makes Aldo and Donny repeat their name, obviously knowing they're fake, yet the Basterd who knows the least Italian, he only makes him say his name once and praises his pronounciation


END SPOILERS

I don't know about you, but I was laughing my ass off at that part because it was just so funny to watch.

[ericdraven]

In my original review I forgot to mention August Diehl, who gives an excellent performance. His presence and acting really created a lot of tension during the tavern scene.

What's great is that if Quentin put American actors in those roles, I wouldn't be convinced.

[outsyder]

Just like all of Tarantino's previous efforts, it's better the second time around for me.

Caught far more propaganda parallels this time around.

"Hell, watching Donnie beat people to death with a baseball bat is almost as fun as going to the movies!"

9/10

[overwatch]

I think its closer to being "is about as close as it get's to going to the movies". It's my b'day tomorrow so I'm going to treat myself with a second watch.

[Natty]

Just put the brilliant soundtrack onto my Ipod!

Ennio Morricone is a genius by the way...for those didn't already know.

Full of other great music too of course, Cat People, White Lightning and The Green Leaves of Summer are the non-Morricone favourites.

[2sdaychicken]

Is there a .gif floating around of Hitler's face being completely obliterated yet?

[fervors]

No movie has surprised me more. It was marketed as another 'Kill Bill', yet it was ten times better.

[PSUDelVec]

Just watched this flick for the second time and it more than makes up for 'Death Proof', but that's an issue for another thread.

This movie was brilliant. I haven't really read much of the other responses, but I can assume that nothing I can say here is going to be new. I loved the Morricone score selections; really made it feel like a spaghetti western. I had visions of Lee Van Cleef in the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly during the opening scene. So much so that I had to watch it the day after I saw it the first time.

Christoph Waltz was amazing and as far as I'm concerned, they should be carving his name into the Oscar as we speak. Also a nod to Melanie Laurent who was great in her role (and beautiful as well). Brad Pitt also turned in another great performance and his Italian? Flawless.

Immediately my 2nd fave Tarantino movie.

[creekin111]

Useless trivia alert: Brad Pitt starred in Benjamin Button with Cate Blanchett a ballet dancer who's career gets cut short due to injury. Diane Kruger was a ballet dancer, but quit dancing due to an injury at the age of 18.

[FrancoYesca]

Wow. IB has got to be the most thoroughly entertaining flick I've seen all year. Definitely tied with "Kill Bill Vol.1" for my second favorite Tarantino film after "Reservoir Dogs".

[Smits]

Saw this the other day, was surprised at how much i liked it. Had me laughing many times and the way it showed the injuries and misfortune was amazing. Great film.

[Donnie_Darko]

WAY too much "perfect" praise for this. Granted it was really good, but SOOOOO not perfect. Terrible audio cues that completely squash the immersion. Jew porn that made me just groan. Now, it might just have been where I saw it, but some of the focus was in and out. Not in a "projectionist" mistake, but more of a cinema "what were you going for?" I guess I'll see when I watch it again upon it's EVENTUAL BD release. I'm kind of torn. I really dug it, but there was just a few too many "nods to cinema geeks" in there.

8/10

[Brendan M.]

WAY too much "perfect" praise for this. Granted it was really good, but SOOOOO not perfect.

I sort of agree with you. I didn't walk out of the movie saying "Wow!" or anything like that. But the more I think about the movie over time, the more I want to go back and see it again (which I have yet to do.) and I have a feeling that its going to be another one of those movies where the more I watch it, I'll find myself liking it more so than I did originally.

[Prismatic Sphere]

10/10

The only thing thing that would have made this film any better is if they were killing communists. But this is still Hollywood and the last film that got away with that was Red Dawn.
This is the same reason why Atlas Shrugged will never get made, at least not accurately.

[ScaryFreak1827]

Not much more I can add that hasn't already been said. A new classic Tarantino film.

10/10

[The Postmaster General]

I've only read the last page and 1/2 of responses as I only saw the film for the first time today. A lot of good things said about the film, I especially liked Weapon_X's post.

Possibly my only complaint was that I loved the scenes when one person didn't understand the language everyone else was speaking as in the restaurant scene, so, not being as familiar as I should be with the characteristics of French and German, one problem I had was keeping that mood when they would switch between foreign languages. No what I'm saying? There were a couple brief moments were I was wondering if a character could or couldn't understand what was being said. It would have been a neat trick to have different colors to indicate the changes in language. Not a major criticism, nor one that made me not enjoy the movie in any way. If anything I'm happy to see a director not just having everyone speak English with accents.

The movie had a good sense of humor, which I appreciated. The scene where they were impersonating Italians was awesome.

I'm also agreeing that the movie is pretty badly marketed - well, it's banked a lot of money, so that's a false statement --- It's just that, for instance, from the trailer and the commercials, my wife didn't think she would like it. I didn't either. Afterwards though, I told her that the way its marketed would have been like if they made Pulp Fiction out to be The Adventures of Jules and Vincent --- noting that the whole scalping nazis, Brad Pitt's presence, the gung-ho attitude is very little about what the film is about. The marketing makes it out more like an action war movie, but to me it plays out more like an espionage thriller.

Has anyone mentioned "I think this is my masterpiece" followed by "Directed by Quentin Tarantino"? Surely someone has. I'm heading off to read more of what the schmoes are saying. In the meantime, I have to say, really good flick. It exceeded my expectations.

Just one thing I want to know. Was I the only person who was hoping...

That the film that Shoshanna and Mercel made would be of them fucking? Now wait... I just had this hilarious hope the whole time that we were going to get to the image of a theater full of Nazis looking in disgust, forced to watch "negro on jew" sex in their face. It really felt like it would have fit in, especially when Shoshana looked at the minister of film and his interpreter and could tell they were fucking (I'm pretty sure that was the intent with that doggy style insertion at least. Just the way the left their characters romance kind of vague, I was sort of anticipating this to happen. Not that I was disappointed, what happened was amazing - especially the image with her face projected on to the smoke, but anyway - just wondering if anyone else was expecting that.

[creekin111]

10/10

The only thing thing that would have made this film any better is if they were killing communists. But this is still Hollywood and the last film that got away with that was Red Dawn.
This is the same reason why Atlas Shrugged will never get made, at least not accurately.

I thought Inglorious Basterds had some flaws but yeah I felt that too. Have you heard any news about the production? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480239/ Charlize Theron is supposed to be cast in it. Are they making it a mini-series? That would be terrible.

[The Postmaster General]

SPOILERS!
Question: Why did Landa kill von Hammersmark? We're led to believe it was because she was a traitor, but then we find out that Landa is also a turncoat...So what's the purpose of killing her if he is, essentially, in the same boat?

My guess is, it's so that Landa, after he is freed from all punishment, can take credit for killing Hitler. But, playing devil's advocate to myself here, how could he prove he was the one, since there were still two other plots?

Or (maybe more logically), did he strangle her because she had even attempted to have a plot, which could have spoiled his plans?

END OF SPOILERS!


I think he strangled her out of anger and sort of out of a "fulfilling a mission" type of mindset. To me, it seemed that he likes toying with people, and was someone who would not take kindly to traitors (even though he becomes one himself)



By the way I think one of the best/coolest/eerie shots of the film is during...


SPOILERS



During the ending, the place is coming down in the inferno, there was so much smoke building up inside that you could still see Shoshanna's film playing and see her face but in a twisted proportion because of the smoke, which acted as an indirect screen. I hope I'm explaining it correctly but I thought that was a brilliant shot and somewhat creepy.


END SPOILERS


Loved it.

I was thinking of The Wizard of Oz during that scene, because you had the giant face projected in the smoke taking claim for the fire, and then there was the man behind the curtain who caused the fire.



SPOILER QUESTION SPOILER QUESTION SPOILER QUESTION

Does anyone else think that Landa knew who Shosanna was when they sat down for streudel? I ask because at the end of the film he was so delusional thinking he was a hero,and maybe by sparing her a second time ,he once again fancied himself a hero.

The milk line plus the somewhat long pause also made me think that Landa knew exactly that "Emmanuel" was actually Shosanna. Not to mention that Landa is far too intelligent to not figure this out. Sparing Shosanna's life once again is another example of Landa not being a die-hard follower of Hitler or supporter of The Third Reich. If he was, he would've killed her. In addition, anakinsrise makes a good point about Landa thinking -- in a fucked-up way, of course -- of himself as a hero, which, in my opinion, is a good enough explanation for letting Shosanna go a second time.

Strider


On another side note, about the scene with the strudel. How could Landa know who she was if he only saw her running from afar? He never saw Shoshanna's face. I think people misconstrue the milk line to being the give away, but it's probable that she looks very young so the proper drink to have would be milk while the adult has coffee.

Yeah, I'm saying what Cosmic said here. How in the hell would he have known it was her? Also, I don't think he didn't take the shot because he wanted to spare her. I'm not sure if you guys fire guns, but that wouldn't have been an easy shot. I took what he said to her as him just being a sick fuck who liked toying with people, and he probably figured a young jewish girl was going to survive in Nazi occupied France.

I'm also not getting where in the hell everyone is saying that he was setting out to betray Hitler. I don't even feel like we saw the same movie. The dude was doing nothing but looking out for himself. Hitler even said earlier that he was worried because Americans were on the shores. It was 1944. The Germans weren't exactly kicking ass in 1944. Germany was being overtaken, but you don't get this sense in the movie because Hitler and his devotees were delusional. Landa wasn't a partial dumbass like Hitler and those close to him. He probably had a good idea that things were turning, and was trying to make out on top for himself. He didn't want to end the war, he wanted to get out while the getting was good and live like a king. If he could have done that under Hitler's command he would have - as he was shown being in that mindset in his introduction. He was clearly a man who only cared for himself.

*some spoilers*


Was it me, or during the explosion near the end, and we see a burning body leap out of a window, did I hear the Stuntman Mike scream from Death Proof?

Oh, that would be good! A nice QT version of the Wilhelm Scream (funny considering there was a character named Wilhelm - I was expecting him to scream at one point, but don't remember it happening)


Did that strudel & cream look tasty or what?

Yes, but him putting his cigarette butt out in it ruined it for me. Another reason I can't for the life of me figure out why people are saying Landa was trying to be heroic at the end or at any point in the movie. Every scene he was in he was only made out to be the a big asshole. Even when he is cute and can't get American slang right, he seems like an asshole. He was polite and kissed ass to get what info he needed from Shosanna, then when he's done sticks his cigarette's ass in the barely eaten strudel he says is so great, which in terms of etiquette and culture is often considered a way to ruins the appetite of others. I know of a waitress that was fired from a restaurant for dumping an ashtray in a plate where customers could see it.

Sorry. I know you just asked a question but this "Landa turned good" and "the Bastards were entertaining when they killed" stuff is sort of giving me stuff to, you know, comment on.

Agreed with everything apart from the last part....but i feel that works in favor because they're not meant to be really heroic and it's a good scene to prove why.

As per the whole glorifying the "basterds" (allusion?) as noble heroes for killing Nazis, I think that's to miss a huge point of the film. The Zoller picture, which glorifies the said sniper as a hero for picking off Frenchman, is of course a rather disgusting premise (or at least, should be to those with a sense of morality, right?) Added to this, we see Hitler and others relishing in this "hero" slaughtering the enemy (who, of course, are the "good guys" to us). This should make the viewer feel an even deeper degree of disgust. Then, of course, we realize this is a mirror of what this film itself is doing - glorifying war criminals (the Basterds) as heroes, and sensationalizing their slaughter of the bad guys... in such a way that it's a joy to watch. Very clever, Mr. Tarantino.

Thank you two guys. I was worried I was alone. Yes, the kill scenes were awesome, but awesome doesn't mean cool. They were well done, but I don't think they are meant to be applauded outside of just being convincing. It's just the same as anyone who watches Pulp Fiction and thinks shooting heroin looks like a lot of fun.

Pretty much, yeah, anyone who applauded or shouted, "Yeah fuck up that Nazi" has their own shit going on that has absolutely nothing to do with the movie.

No, this isn't some interpretation I'm coming up with. It's the fucking title of the movie.

glorious |ˈglôrēəs|
adjective
1 having, worthy of, or bringing fame or admiration : the most glorious victory of all time.
2 having a striking beauty or splendor that evokes feelings of delighted admiration : a glorious autumn day.

What was the name of this fucking movie again?

[Mr.HyDe807]

I'm seeing this again on Tuesday with my brother. I think I'm more excited than I was the first time.

[Beenthere]

I don't want to sound churlish because it is only a movie and by definition QT made the German solider a Nazi so that he could be murdered without remorse from the audience...but there are two very obvious things that we are overlooking here.

The National Socialist Party in Germany would bankrupt or ruin any person who refused to sign up and pledge their allegiance to the Fuhrer. Therefore many German civilians had no alternative but to sign up to the party. Only those who were rich enough to escape the country could flee as National Socialism reached fever pitch. The ordinary poor and lower classes had to adhere to the priciples of Nazism or face being beaten starved and persecuted by their own countrymen. The result is that while many were members of the Nazi Party, they did not truly believe what it stood for. Unfortunately, their family members were then conscripted by the German army, which is the equivalent of being forced to fight.

So, yeah, not all German soldiers were Nazis in principle. They were Nazis because they had guns pointed at their families heads.

This German was, however, a Nazi, probably even radical with it, though I still found his murder left a bad taste.

And here's why.

If the Germans are inhumane, monstrous, evil and inhumane, how are we - the good guys - any different from them if we beat them to death with baseball bats (inflicting a prolonged period of mental anguish by slowly appearing from a dark tunnel), while they are unarmed and unable to conscienably betray the lives of a dozen of his comrades. We call them Nazis and it distinguishes them from the rest of mankid because of how cruel they were...but the Basterds raison d'etre was, to paraphrase, to be worse than the Nazis.

Therein lies the conundrum. We can't kill people for being inhumane by being even more inhumane. That's how you become an animal.

I would also point out one last thing. The German was a Prisoner of War. The Third Treaty of the Geneva Convention (which came into place in 1929) apparently does not apply to any countries soldiers, American, German or otherwise. The Basterds, therefore, are actually war criminals...

Please don't re-write the history. Yes, there was a small portion of the German population (like in the Soviet Union) opposing the Third Reich, including the carriers of another disease - communists, but the absolute majority of ordinary folks were 200% behind ideology and action of Austrian Butcher & Co. Even if some of them did so out of fear it does not make them an opposing force. The same was in USSR. Millions cheered during Big Terror and asked the government to eliminate "the enemies of the State" hoping that would never happened to them. And Maoism did the same in China. Mass euphoria and fascination of 1930s - the lowest of human souls, irrational and almost supernatural.
So if you ask me what would regular dude in Nazi Germany do - be afraid of Gestapo or willing to work there - I'd go with the latter.
Please don't look for the excuses for those who already got punished for their participation or indifference.

[The Postmaster General]

Jesus Christ, would anyone interested in discussing this movie care if I opened a topic in the general movie talk. Fuck, now I understand the true pain of not being able to catch movies opening weekend. I guess my best bet for discussion on film would be going into that The Final Destination thread and saying, "I might catch this on cable TV one day." Haha. Fucking shit, man. Sometimes my dog licks its balls and it makes noises and me and my friends crack the fuck up. There, that's just as relevant to the discussion at this point.

[Scarface98.9]

Was I the only person who was hoping...

That the film that Shoshanna and Mercel made would be of them fucking? Now wait... I just had this hilarious hope the whole time that we were going to get to the image of a theater full of Nazis looking in disgust, forced to watch "negro on jew" sex in their face. It really felt like it would have fit in, especially when Shoshana looked at the minister of film and his interpreter and could tell they were fucking (I'm pretty sure that was the intent with that doggy style insertion at least. Just the way the left their characters romance kind of vague, I was sort of anticipating this to happen. Not that I was disappointed, what happened was amazing - especially the image with her face projected on to the smoke, but anyway - just wondering if anyone else was expecting that.

I wasn't expecting it but in the two times I saw the movie, there were people joking and thinking out loud (loudly) that they were gonna do a sex tape. A very 2000's kind of thinking

[Tweek]

Just one thing I want to know. Was I the only person who was hoping...

That the film that Shoshanna and Mercel made would be of them fucking? Now wait... I just had this hilarious hope the whole time that we were going to get to the image of a theater full of Nazis looking in disgust, forced to watch "negro on jew" sex in their face. It really felt like it would have fit in, especially when Shoshana looked at the minister of film and his interpreter and could tell they were fucking (I'm pretty sure that was the intent with that doggy style insertion at least. Just the way the left their characters romance kind of vague, I was sort of anticipating this to happen. Not that I was disappointed, what happened was amazing - especially the image with her face projected on to the smoke, but anyway - just wondering if anyone else was expecting that.

I don't think Shoshanna and Marcel were romantically involved. I don't understand what made people think that. I thought they were just very close but platonic. That kiss at the end seemed more of a goodbye than anything 'romantic'.

[The Postmaster General]

I wasn't expecting it but in the two times I saw the movie, there were people joking and thinking out loud (loudly) that they were gonna do a sex tape. A very 2000's kind of thinking

I don't think Shoshanna and Marcel were romantically involved. I don't understand what made people think that. I thought they were just very close but platonic. That kiss at the end seemed more of a goodbye than anything 'romantic'.

Hm. I thought they were involved, but now that you mention it, there wasn't really a reason for me to think that other than they both seemed bone-able.

The way Scarface puts it though, I feel like it would be out of place, but I still think it would have been hella funny - it would have been too much of a twist though, I guess and have taken away from the other twist to the movie.

Scarface also make me realize how polite people are here in Minnesota. I don't think I've heard a single person talk during a movie since living here.

EDIT: The most I can think of is some teenager playing air-synthesizer during Miami Vice.

[Tweek]

Hm. I thought they were involved, but now that you mention it, there wasn't really a reason for me to think that other than they both seemed bone-able.

Yeah, I don't disagree! ;)

The way Scarface puts it though, I feel like it would be out of place, but I still think it would have been hella funny - it would have been too much of a twist though, I guess and have taken away from the other twist to the movie.

Well, there was a shot of Marcel filming her earlier on so I was just expecting a "Prepare to die." speech.

[The Postmaster General]

Well, there was a shot of Marcel filming her earlier on so I was just expecting a "Prepare to die." speech.

Yeah, I was picturing her saying all of that before it cut to them having sex. As in, to let them know their fate was carried out by people they considered inferior, then the sex would obviously be just rubbing faces in it all. That was why I thought they couldn't have gotten it developed, because I didn't think developing just her head would be suspicious, since the soundtrack was going to be a separate thing anyway. It would have just seemed funny to me to throw something like that in all the Nazis faces -- that would have given me as much gratification as the scalpings seemed to have given so many others.

[overwatch]

Saw it again on Thurday, such a good movie.

There are things I looked out for, some surprises and some things that I missed and was annoyed.
SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY

*What does Aldo keep sniffing, he takes out that little box and takes a sniff (I counted) three times in the movie. In the ditch, in the tavern and at the vet's place when they were stitching up Bridget.

*What is the "funny" line Hugo says to Hicox when they are talking in the tavern. I was paying very close attention to what he was saying. Hicox says "I need to know that I can trust you" or something similar. And he looks up and says something, but I didn't hear it both times I saw it.

* I payed close attention to Shosanna everytime there were Germans close by and she couldn't work out what they were saying because she didn't speak German. Facinating acting all in Melanie Laurent's face.

* I also didn't here when Aldo is negotiating with Hans. Hans says some long spiel and Aldo all smug like says "well thats a great story, what's next a ....(something something)" he delivering was hilarious, too bad I couldn't work out what he was saying.

*Also when Hans is speaking Harvey Keitel on the other end of the line, its funny to see BJ Novak in the background sipping wine.

[Tweek]

*What is the "funny" line Hugo says to Hicox when they are talking in the tavern. I was paying very close attention to what he was saying. Hicox says "I need to know that I can trust you" or something similar. And he looks up and says something, but I didn't hear it both times I saw it.

If I recall the only thing Stiglitz says in response is "Do I not look calm to you?"

* I payed close attention to Shosanna everytime there were Germans close by and she couldn't work out what they were saying because she didn't speak German. Facinating acting all in Melanie Laurent's face.

I enjoyed that too.

[The Postmaster General]

Aldo's sniffing snuff, which is basically powdered tobacco.

[overwatch]

I also noticed that in Nation's Pride, the americans were actually American. I was hoping that the american soldiers would be played by germans and have thick german accents. That would have been awesome.

[Reigh Kaufman]

Please don't re-write the history. Yes, there was a small portion of the German population (like in the Soviet Union) opposing the Third Reich, including the carriers of another disease - communists, but the absolute majority of ordinary folks were 200% behind ideology and action of Austrian Butcher & Co. Even if some of them did so out of fear it does not make them an opposing force. The same was in USSR. Millions cheered during Big Terror and asked the government to eliminate "the enemies of the State" hoping that would never happened to them. And Maoism did the same in China. Mass euphoria and fascination of 1930s - the lowest of human souls, irrational and almost supernatural.
So if you ask me what would regular dude in Nazi Germany do - be afraid of Gestapo or willing to work there - I'd go with the latter.
Please don't look for the excuses for those who already got punished for their participation or indifference.

Get away with you and your anti-Communist nonsense. We're talking about something and you appear like a Whack-a-Mole to push your irrational, paranoiac fears of DA COMMUNISTS! in every thread.

It has become boring and your point is utterly irrelevant.

Quite frankly, you partly back up what I said in my post with your second sentence before dredging up Communism again.

We get it.

As for Marcel and Shossanah, Tweek, they are a couple in the screenplay, and their story is actually very detailed in the original draft. Maggie Cheung's deleted scenes may contain more of the history of their relationship.

[The Postmaster General]

Saw it again today, and dug it as much. Funny noticing things more, like the British officer really did have a bad accent. He really did sound like a British dude speaking German.



* I also didn't here when Aldo is negotiating with Hans. Hans says some long spiel and Aldo all smug like says "well thats a great story, what's next a ....(something something)" he delivering was hilarious, too bad I couldn't work out what he was saying.

I swear it sounded like "Liza on Ice"... :confused:



As for Marcel and Shossanah, Tweek, they are a couple in the screenplay, and there story is actually very detailed in the original draft. Maggie Cheung's deleted scenes may contain more of the history of their relationship.


Seeing the movie again, I do see where I got that they were lovers. It seems pretty clear, because they first refer to each other as "My love," and Shossanah's goodbye to him, saying they only have each other, then they both say "I love you" and that kiss wasn't just a friendly kiss, it's was a kiss of LOVAHS.

[Bourne101]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was "Liza on Ice".

[LordSimen]

I'm pretty darn sure Marcel and Shossanah were lovers.

[Tweek]

As for Marcel and Shossanah, Tweek, they are a couple in the screenplay, and there story is actually very detailed in the original draft. Maggie Cheung's deleted scenes may contain more of the history of their relationship.
Oh. I didn't read the script. :o Was anything said about Maggie Cheung's scenes going on the DVD? I was wondering where the fuck she was in the movie.

[legato]

Saw it again today, and dug it as much. Funny noticing things more, like the British officer really did have a bad accent. He really did sound like a British dude speaking German.

The extra funny thin g is that the actor actually is German, Fassbinder, but was raised in England. I mostly liked the movie, the German actors and score were great, but did any one else find Zoller's last scene to be a tad out of character. He did seem to suffer PTSD, to fit with the analogy, but it seemed to make him quieter not an ass.

[APzombie]

Oh. I didn't read the script. :o Was anything said about Maggie Cheung's scenes going on the DVD? I was wondering where the fuck she was in the movie.

I'd imagine so. Seeing as how he said the deleted scene with Eli Roth (brilliant scene) might not be on the dvd since it may appear in a prequel, Shoshanna's character seemed to begin and end with this movie, so i doubt he'd use it in a prequel or have reservations showing it on the dvd. I remember loving that scene in the script but understand why he cut it. At it's running length now it would have been too much cinema paradisio than maybe the audience were willing to take.

The only two things i was upset by in the final cut was the fact that he re-used music cue's he used in Kill Bill and the fact that Shoshanna's chapter wasn't "New Wave black and white" like it described in the script.

Still my absolute favorite film of the year by far.

[hasselbrad]

Yeah, I was picturing her saying all of that before it cut to them having sex. As in, to let them know their fate was carried out by people they considered inferior, then the sex would obviously be just rubbing faces in it all. That was why I thought they couldn't have gotten it developed, because I didn't think developing just her head would be suspicious, since the soundtrack was going to be a separate thing anyway. It would have just seemed funny to me to throw something like that in all the Nazis faces -- that would have given me as much gratification as the scalpings seemed to have given so many others.

I thought the same thing. I was hoping for some hot, interracial porn.

[Prismatic Sphere]

Loved it.
I was thinking of The Wizard of Oz during that scene, because you had the giant face projected in the smoke taking claim for the fire, and then there was the man behind the curtain who caused the fire.

Indeed that was awesome and VERY effective.


Yeah, I'm saying what Cosmic said here. How in the hell would he have known it was her? Also, I don't think he didn't take the shot because he wanted to spare her. I'm not sure if you guys fire guns, but that wouldn't have been an easy shot. I took what he said to her as him just being a sick fuck who liked toying with people, and he probably figured a young jewish girl was going to survive in Nazi occupied France.

I dunno man. Landa waited a VERY long time while Shoshanna ran before finally making his decision and shouting his farewell notes of derision at her. If he had wanted to shoot her initially, he would have. But as you say, he enjoys toying with people like they are "rats". And he doesn't hate rats.

As for later in the cafe; as many New York jews who masquerade as WASPs and buy Christmas trees today say: They can spot "a jew" anywhere. Now for "The Jew Hunter", I'm sure this is a relatively small skill set. Did he know it was her? Probably not. Did he know she was a Jew? Definitely. His character would be a big letdown if this weren't true.

The only way he would know it was her would be if he had successfully captured every or almost every Jew in his logbook and thus deducted it was her by age and physical build, etc.


I'm also not getting where in the hell everyone is saying that he was setting out to betray Hitler. I don't even feel like we saw the same movie. The dude was doing nothing but looking out for himself. Hitler even said earlier that he was worried because Americans were on the shores. It was 1944. The Germans weren't exactly kicking ass in 1944. Germany was being overtaken, but you don't get this sense in the movie because Hitler and his devotees were delusional. Landa wasn't a partial dumbass like Hitler and those close to him. He probably had a good idea that things were turning, and was trying to make out on top for himself. He didn't want to end the war, he wanted to get out while the getting was good and live like a king. If he could have done that under Hitler's command he would have - as he was shown being in that mindset in his introduction. He was clearly a man who only cared for himself.

Absolutely agreed. That was the only way to be under the command of people like Hitler and Goebbels - being on your own side. I absolutely loved the actor who played Joseph Goebbels. My only problem was he wasn't crazy enough like the real man was. But that is because Tarantino wrote him that way which is interesting.


Thank you two guys. I was worried I was alone. Yes, the kill scenes were awesome, but awesome doesn't mean cool. They were well done, but I don't think they are meant to be applauded outside of just being convincing. It's just the same as anyone who watches Pulp Fiction and thinks shooting heroin looks like a lot of fun.

Pretty much, yeah, anyone who applauded or shouted, "Yeah fuck up that Nazi" has their own shit going on that has absolutely nothing to do with the movie.


You surely aren't alone in this.

[Beenthere]

Get away with you and your anti-Communist nonsense. We're talking about something and you appear like a Whack-a-Mole to push your irrational, paranoiac fears of DA COMMUNISTS! in every thread.

It has become boring and your point is utterly irrelevant.

Quite frankly, you partly back up what I said in my post with your second sentence before dredging up Communism again.

We get it.

As for Marcel and Shossanah, Tweek, they are a couple in the screenplay, and there story is actually very detailed in the original draft. Maggie Cheung's deleted scenes may contain more of the history of their relationship.

Shut up your hole. Communism got nothing to do with your idiocy and lack of knowledge about WWII and the Third Reich. I am pretty sure if I'd write half of what that "well-educated" piece of %#% wrote I would be banned. Did you even understand that I wrote about hysteria in Germany and practically no resistance, and that the same shit happened in other dictatorships? Do you even know the small portion of history when you speculate about the WWII movie? I mentioned communists as the opposing force to the Nazi party - what's the fucking wrong with it? I did not back up your idiotic ideas - almost all Germans were cheering and willing to participate (less enthusiasm since 1943 was obvious). Let me guess, the British History course of the 20th century must be unique.

[sideswipe]

just saw the movie yesterday. typical tarantino film with crazy, insane scenes. eli roth and brad pitt was damn good. (:

[Mystique963]

Awesome. Plain and simple. Didn't seem like the typical Tarantino film though... might be wrong though.

[Monotreme]

My review:

A lot can be attributed to Quentin Tarantino: mastery of dialogue, resurrecting washed-up actor careers, reinvigorating the independent film movement; but consistency is not one of these things. After Pulp Fiction, one of the single greatest achievements in modern film history, it took Tarantino 9 years to deliver another film at the same level. Jackie Brown came in the middle, but that film, while good, was not quite up there at the same caliber as Fiction or Kill Bill. After Kill Bill, Tarantino entered another slump, waiting 3 more years before delivering Death Proof, which was nice but not very ambitious or special, and coming from Tarantino it was mainly disappointing. But now, 5 years after his last truly good movie, Tarantino delivers the much-anticipated project he's been talking about since Pulp Fiction. Not only does the man not disappoint, but he also proves again that he is one of the greatest and most unique creative voices in modern cinema, and that he still has it.

Inglourious Basterds still features that unique Tarantino voice that rings out from the dialogue, the non-linear storyline (in this case division into chapters, much like Kill Bill), the virtuoso camera work and, of course, the prominent soundtrack. And yet, it is a film that also incorporates a lot of firsts for the director. First and most prominently, it is Tarantino's first period-set film. Which is surprising, considering how his movies all feature throwbacks to genres and styles associated with past decades. Despite this, Tarantino's scripts are always very heavy on pop culture references, and so it was definitely interesting to see him take his exceedingly modern and contemporary writing style and apply it to a period film. The results are a fantastic and fascinating mix of old and new; there are no direct anachronisms per se, but the characters in the film do speak in a very "hip" and modern style that nobody in the 40's would possibly speak in. In fact, the dialogue is great and unique because nobody would speak it today either – it carries that certain Tarantino quality to it that's hard to put a finger on but that provides his greatest and most unique stamp. And yet, despite its utter disconnection from anything remotely realistic, Tarantino does make one conscious decision that lends the film more realism than most others in its genre: he chooses to have foreign characters speak their dialogue in their native language, which results in a vast majority of it spoken in French or German with subtitles. It's actually quite reassuring to see a mostly-subtitled film such as this one still be very successful at the box office, since many pundits (and Hollywood producers for that matter) seem to think that subtitled films don't sell.

Also uncharacteristic of Tarantino is the cast. Aside from Brad Pitt and a strange and brief cameo from Mike Myers, there aren't many familiar faces in this movie at all – which is interesting coming from a director who in his first four films managed to amass some of the greatest ensemble casts of recent memory. One would think that a premise like this would give Tarantino the room to cast a group of familiar faces as the Basterds – but such isn’t the case. In fact, since most of the film's characters are of foreign origins anyway, Tarantino goes local and casts various actors who aren't at all known outside of their native countries. Despite this, the performances are absolutely top notch. In terms of the Basterds, Pitt, who gets top credit, delivers a fun but meaningless performance that is wonderful and enjoyable, but also seemingly exists purely for the comic relief. And while I still have a hard time accepting Eli Roth as an actor, he actually did a pretty god job as the manic "Bear Jew". The real stand-outs, though, are the foreign talent. Menalie Laurent is fantastic as Shoshanna Dreyfuss, a Jewish girl bent on revenge against the Nazis who killed her family. She plays the role with just the right balance between graciousness and ferocity, and it works wonderfully. Diane Kruger plays a German actress working as an undercover agent for the Axis powers, and showcases charisma and resourcefulness in a strong role. But the award for scene-stealer goes to none other than Christoph Waltz, the German actor who plays the main antagonist and who simply dominates every scene he is in with such menace and screen presence that it is just a treat to see him act.

It's not just the dialogues that are succulent and well-written in the film, but it's the scenes themselves. The film is actually very uniquely structured, featuring very few scenes overall, but long ones that take their time building up. The scene in the basement pub stands out in particular as a simply brilliantly constructed scene lasting over 20 minutes, starting out slow and establishing the dialogue and characters, and slowly building up to a brilliant climax which I will not go into detail about here, but suffice it to say that it ends in a set-up that Tarantino has used before. Without going into too much detail, the set-up is tied in with the style of the film in general. Despite it being a WWII-set war film, the film is constructed and stylized much more like a Western, from the parallel plot lines building up to a single climax to the soundtrack composed almost entirely by Ennio Morricone arrangements (another potential first for Tarantino – Morricone was originally supposed to provide Tarantino with his first original score, but eventually he ended up using old cues from past scores by the legendary composer). This all serves to create a fascinating, genre-bending script that straddles Nazisploitation, Spaghetti Western and Tarantino's own unique style.

Ultimately, the most fascinating aspect about this film is just how audacious it turns out to be. Without going into too much detail, by the end of the film Tarantino completely changes and disregards history as we know it, to a point that the film itself becomes this big, epic fantasy. Its reception in Israeli was consequently uneven. Many critics derided it for taking an insensitive attitude towards what is probably the most serious and atrocious event in modern history, the Holocaust, and for reducing it to a schlocky Jewish revenge fantasy. Despite the critics, the film has gone on to become one of the most popular and successful films currently playing in Israeli cinemas, and the public reaction has been overwhelmingly positive. I think that stylistically and story-wise, the film isn't quite up there with Pulp Fiction and perhaps not even with Kill Bill, but in terms of Tarantino's ambition and where he ends up taking it, the film becomes one of his most fascinating ventures. It's thrilling, well-made, impeccably shot (by Robert Richardson, a Tarantino veteran and one of the best cinematographers working today), fantastically acted, irresistibly entertaining, absolutely hilarious, and in all it's just a big, epic, audacious and unique piece of entertainment that reminds us, in case we have forgotten, that Tarantino is a force to be reckoned with.

RATING: 8/10.

[_bad_wolf]

Awesome. Plain and simple. Didn't seem like the typical Tarantino film though... might be wrong though.

the lack of playing with the films time line made it feel like that too me. which isn't a criticism. i loved the film and have seen it several times. just thought him sticking to a rather straight forward time line was different than normal.

[MisterTwister]

I refuse to see the movie originally because the trailers didn't impress me and I'm not a fan of Brad Pitt. But fucking A this movie owned. Hard. And Brad Pitt was excellent. The dialouge was amazing, the direction flawless and the action breathtaking (the final 15 minutes-wow). Not my favorite Tarantino film (that goes to Kill Bill Vol.1) but a close fucking second.

9/10

[Spice]

After months of avoiding spoilers, trailers and this very thread - The film was finally released here today and I have just got home after seeing it in its full glory. Loved it with a passion. Exciting, great dialogue, beautifully shot, (the colouring of the film is just lush) and I thought that the acting was tip-top (Christoph Waltz was spellbinding as Landa). After my disappointment with Death Proof, this was just the ticket. And the great thing is that it is out on DVD pretty soon too - God bless Amazon!!

[Canto]

I just watched this for the second time the other day and I liked it even more and raised my rating to 9.5/10.

I havent seen The Hurt Locker yet, I will on Tuesday, but so far of the movies that are nominated for Best Drama at the Golden Globes, Basterds deserves to win hands down in my opinion. Avatar doesnt deserve to be nominated at all. Also, Christoph Waltz is the fucking man.

[bigred760]

Just watched my IB blu-ray last night and damn, this movie does not get old. It would be the 3rd time seeing it overall and the basement scene still keeps me on edge, even though I know what the hell's coming.

Still my favorite movie of 2009.

[Danger^Cart]

How can people claim the dialogue is ingenuine to the era? You weren't alive in the 40's Monotrome. You have absolutely no idea how they talked in the 40's, no one on here does, and I think it's pretty ludicrous to think they didn't talk like normal people, unless you think 40's film dialogue is genuine, then I don't know what to do for you.

I realize you're just trying to convey how unique QT's style is, and I'm probably being unfair, but I'm getting really sick of hearing that argument.

[legato]

40s film dialouge is representative of the diction though.