LOTR will not be the hit that newline is expecting

[MartinGPB]

Sure, they may be a built in fan-base, but besides them very few will want to see this movie. cool special effects dont make people want to see a movie. all of the kids that go to my school- and every kid in my theater when ive seen the movie (im 15) that have seen the trailer (a lot of them), have no interest and brush it off as a movie for dorks, and i agree with them. even less is the amount of adults that want to see it. they brush it off as a movie for a little kids. and dont try comparing it to starwars because its a different situation and you know it(actually i was never a huge fan of star wars- i liked the originals, but episode 1 was one of the worst movies of 99). come december, i will be one of the many, many people seeing oceans eleven or ali, INSTEAD OF lord of the rings

[MartinGPB]

by the way, it was one of the worst trailers/teasers ive ever seen

[Tuukka]

Just a few points:

1. LOTR has sold around 70-80 million copies so far, which makes it probably the biggest selling fiction novel of all time. Quite a few of the people who have read the book hail it as one of the greatest books ever written. For example Harry Potter is still far, far away from the success of LOTR. And Potter is very big and so will the film be as well (if it's any good).

2. "Cool special effects dont make people want to see a movie". Oh really? SFX is one of the most important box office aspects for big films. What do you think made people to go see films like Jurassic Park, ID4 and Phantom Menace? Not to mention countless of other blockbuster films.

3. The hype for LOTR will be enormous. It already started a year ago and it will be huge during this year. It should be remembered that the first part is still 11 months away, so the hype is just beginning. There has only been one film before which had a similar hype one year before release and it was called Phantom Menace.

4. "it was one of the worst trailers/teasers ive ever seen". Well, apparently you haven't seen too many teasers during your life. It wasn't a great teaser, only rather good. The three stars out of five JoBlo gave it is pretty appropriate. Some cool SFX, some cool cinematography... But nothing really special. It should be remembered that the teaser didn't even show anything. We didn't see the battle of Barad-Dur. We saw only the orc armies marching there. We didn't see Balrog, we only saw the expression on Gandalf's face when he sees him. They didn't show any of the major action sequences, they were only hinting at them. That's why it's called a "teaser". It should be remembered that there will be 2-3 other trailers during the next 11 months.

4. If LOTR films will be bad, then they probably won't perform well. But I don't understand this idea many people have that LOTR will fail commercially even if the films will be great.


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[ak]

I totally agree with Tukka on all accounts. Everyone will probably end up seeing The LOrd Of The Rings, and personally, i dont think the films will be at all bad, from the look of the trailer they dont anyway.

And let me tell you, the book is respected by adults and teenagers and children alike, and where you get that geeky aspect from i have no idea. From what hype i have heard, and from the people i have met say they are really looking forward to these films.

Ok, the trailer wasn't brilliant, but i loved it, at the moment i dont think New Line want to cause too much hype, or give too much away as it is at quite an early stage, but i was stunned with the visuals in the trailer. When the time comes round, we will see a lot more of the stunning visuals to be expected, and the fact that Christopher Lee has praised the film the way he has sounds very very promising indeed.

As for the special effects - LOTR, like the original Star Wars isn't just using the special effects for the ultimate effect, the effects are actually going to help the story, and there are some quite revolutionary effects in the film i hear, and will totally change people's perception of special effects forever, i can't wait for that.

Of course the films won't please everyone, especially die hard fans of the book, but i have never looked forward to any films as much as i am looking forward to this trilogy. Peter Jackson will do a fine job.

And the hype will be massive when the time is right, giving New LIne their biggest hit, i can guarantee that.

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[DireWolf]

Martin, wtf. I mean really, wtf are you talking about, every single one of your comments is utter bullcrap. I especially like "cool special effects don't make people want to see a movie". Do you know ANYTHING about the movie industry. some of the crappiest movies have made mega bucks just because of their special effects alone.

Even if there wasn't the enormous fanbase the movies would still be successful. Factor in that enormous fanbase and you have a megahit. Try to cut down on the crack smoking, man.

[Bush]

I'm going to be really succinct, how the hell can u base an opinion on a movie by watching a movie trailer, you are merely assuming that it will be bad....ridiculous!

[MartinGPB]

HEY I STAND BY MY STATEMENTS- AND I HATE TO BREAKIT TO YOU BUT SPECIAL EFFECTS -DONT- MAKE PEOEPLE WANT TO SEE A MOVIE IF IT SUCKS NO MATTER WHAT THE STAR POWER- CASE I POINT, "WILD WILD WEST", "HOLLOW MAN"- BOTH FILMS WERE HATED BY EVERYONE AND DIDNT EVEN COME CLOSE TO MAKING BACK THEIR BUDGETS. AND I HOPE PEOPLE DO THE SAME THING WITH LORD OF THE RINGS. MORE MOVIES LIKE "HIGH FIDELITY" "GHOST DOG" AND "NURSE BETTY" NEED TO BE SUCCEEDING.


lotr sucks

[DireWolf]

Whoa nelly, how the hell can you say LOTR sucks, you haven't even seen it!?

That is totally ignorant of you, if your not even going to give the movie a chance then don't post a topic about it!!!

And btw, for every two examples you give about movies that had great fx but sucked plot wise and didn't make money, I could give you 5 movies that sucked plot wise and had great fx but made money anyways.

Godzilla, The Lost World, Armageddon, ID4, and Congo. And there are many more as well.
(but I'm not putting down those movies, the plots weren't great, but I don't mind if the fx are mind blowing enough, cept for Godzilla, nothing could have saved that)

[ak]

Martin, i agree with Direwolf, you are pretty ignorant. LOTR won't just be special effects special effects special effects, there is a lot of emotion in this story, and Peter Jackson will concentrate on this, cause he has proven he can do this with his other films, you are simply talking crap and don't know enough about the area that you are dissing.

Why would you like to see LOTR rings failing?
There is no doubt it will be a massive film, and will contribute to film immensly, film really is becoming a serious art form, and its people like you who put it down.

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[Raena]

In a age where every trailer that graces our theater screens give away every plot point in the film, LOTR's trailer was refreshing.

[ak]

..i agree there, although many people know the story anyway, cause they have read the book, no one really knows how the film will be handled, and as to how certain scenes will be handled. It'll be fun finding out!