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11-30-2000, 03:21 PM
what do you all think... especcially those wpo have read the book... which i am half way through now. better than silence? work withour jodie foster? better than the book. how the trailer looks anything you want to vent about the movie post here
11-30-2000, 05:19 PM
I for one think Julianne Moore will do a fine job. They couldnt have picked anyone better to get this role if Foster was leaving (actually I think if Moore had been the origional choice, it would have been even better). The trailor looks great. IU am excited and ready for this film.
12-01-2000, 12:50 AM
I thought the book HANNIBAL was very different from SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. SOTL was more or less a straight police procedural, but HANNIBAL is a Brilliant Literary Work of Art, rife with passages from Dante and uncited references from Freud and Montaigne*, and thus not for everybody. I noticed also that the FBI in HANNIBAL have now become a wormy, corrupt institution -- I suspect that Thomas Harris got fed-up with the fabulous publicity SILENCE gave the FBI (especially John Douglas, the guy who created the serial killer profiling unit and who has now written several best-selling books on serial killers), and decided to get his revenge. BTW, did you know that job applications to join the FBI rose 55% in the months after SOTL was released?
Anyway, I think the movie will be great, as long as the fans remember that this film is going to be about HANNIBAL and not Clarice.
So forget Jodie -- always thought she was over-rated anyway, notice how she strikes ZERO sparks with all her male co-stars? -- Julianne Moore will be superb.
12-04-2000, 08:17 PM
ok, i just finished the book
i loved it
but i duno if i like the ending or not
i jsut put the boo k donw and raced to my computer to post this. what do you thinmk of the ending? it was good, it diffinately wasn't what i exected but still i think that it just didn't fit in very well with the rest of the book. i also think that barneys charecter kind of just disaperead... they should have done more with him at the end. anyways
tell me what you all think
12-05-2000, 11:57 PM
What's wrong with the ending? It seemed perfectly logical to me, in a Grimms Fairy Tale amusing sort of way. SPOILER!!
After a botched drug raid, Clarice, trussed like an appetizing Christmas ham, is sacrificed to the whims of the insistently misogynistic FBI. Bitter and disillusioned, she turns her saving zeal towards Lecter, who after almost becoming the main course for exotic Sardinian swine, returns the favor by sauteeing in butter sauce the brains of her mortal enemy, Paul Krendler. Fed up at last with the way the world has treated her, her ideals bitterly turned to dust, Clarice is free to be grateful to Lecter, and obligingly dyes her hair platinum blonde. (When someone is fed up with humanity, I suppose dyeing your hair and taking up with a world famous serial killer is the way to go.)
Perfectly Logical, no?
PS. I thought the way Harris made Barney the sole witness to Clarice's transformation (with the faint & ghastly possiblity that Lecter saw Barney as well) was one of the sweetest things in the whole book.
12-11-2000, 09:45 PM
The movie ending was apparently re-written after Jodie Foster was upset without how it originally was.... Don't know if it was changed back after she turned down the role.
What I will say, however, is that the teaser for Hannibal is how they should be done. Mysterious and intriguing. We don't see the whole damn plot line....just Anthony Hopkins's sinister eyes fixing in on us in a dark setting. Well done.
12-11-2000, 11:42 PM
Jodie Foster is such a smurf. Zaillan & Ridley Scott did everything they could to accomodate her, but no! she wants to be the STAR, the PURE UNSULLIED HEROINE!!! Well, loookeeee here, Jodie, see the title -- it says HANNIBAL, not CLARICE. Doh!
12-20-2000, 10:28 PM
Julianne Moore will do just fine, I should think. I'm just wondering who is going to play the sister of the dude without a face. I didn't find it on IMDb, and she'd better be included. They have that Italian policeman's wife casted, and she had a part about two inches long in the novel.
I thought you might want to know that Vergers sister will not be in the movie. Neither will Jack Crawford. And the ending has been changed, however the new ending has been discribed as very simular.
For what it's worth Thomas Harris has approved the changes made to the movie, so it should be interesting.
i think ridley scott is an almost perfect director for the new hannibal film. i am quite excited, but am not 18, so will have to wait until it comes out on video. which is nice. BLACK BLACK.
12-30-2000, 12:25 PM
well i dunno if it is going ot be rated R all the way up here in canada where we have to use a dog sled to get to the movie. most movie we have aren't rated r. the last r movie that came out here was the cell that i can remember it's ussually 14a. even if it is R i will just by my ticket for a diff. movie and than go into that theatre and if they catch me i'll just be like oh wrong theatre and turn around untill the guy aint looking than i ll go into it.. it's not that hard you know and if they catch you half way through the movie than just al thye can do is kick you out just sit somewhere where they won't see... when i saw american pie they thought people snuck in so they told everyone to hold up their tick stubbs... well they couldn't even tell really if it was the right stubb cause they were standing at the front.. i'm still gonna see it in the theatre i don't care what they say!
12-30-2000, 03:33 PM
How can Verger's sister *not* be in the movie? She was actually quite an important character (hey, she kills the dirty scumbag). Crawford--kind of understandable, but he was the only one at the Bureau standing up for Starling. Guess I'm just gonna wait and see how it all turns out.
01-11-2001, 10:21 AM
According to the NYPost, HANNIBAL will open super-wide on 5000 screens. And there will be a 30 second SUPERBOWL commercial. I must say I don't give a tinkers damn for the SuperBowl, but I will pay my brother $5 to tape the halftime show. /ubb/smile.gif
01-11-2001, 03:29 PM
The marketing of "Hannibal" is the way to do it. The teaser I saw was dark, short, mysterious, and only showed a glimpse of Anthony Hopkins with that devilish gleam in his eye. Enough to send a chill down anyone's spine who saw "Silence of the Lambs."
The trailer didn't show the ending! Amazing! I am counting the days until the release.
01-22-2001, 08:10 PM
I've finished reading all 3 Hannibal Books and I have to say he's my favorite literary character. (Though "Red Dragon" didn't have a whole lot of him in it.) I am really looking forward to the film release. I have been ever since I saw the teaser on M:I2. It should be great film and the actor all look like they'll be good for the part. Especially Hopkins. and Oldman, as Verger, who can just be really evil and always plays a cool villain.
Harris writes his villains well and makes them as big a part of the story as the good guy. I recommend all his books. Well the 4 of 'em. I always seem to like the villains better in books and films, i don't know why...
01-23-2001, 10:17 AM
I agree with Jezka...I think it would be great if they included Margot Verger (Mason's Sister). Margot, the bodybuilding dyke, was an integral part to the story of Verger's childhood and how he abused her and became a monster himself. Who will crush the life out of Mason if not her? I sure hope Barney makes it into the film as well. Hannibal's old prison guard is also important.
I am looking forward to Oldman as Mason Verger and think Julianne Moore is well suited to play the role. Ray Liotta makes a good Paul Krendler and I can't wait 'til they eat his brains at dinner. I also thought that Giancarlo Giannini would make a good Pazzi, the italian police detective/chief. I wonder if they will bother to create some type of "mind palace/memory"? It would have to be rather surreal. Jack Crawford didn't do much for me in the book so I won't really miss him in the film. I also wonder who will play the Sardinian manhunters/kidnappers like Carlo? More later...
01-24-2001, 04:28 PM
Yeah, why couldn't you guys give me some real news instead of ruinning it for me and anyone else who hasn't read the book or can't even read. THANX ALOT!
01-24-2001, 05:21 PM
You're welcome. We aim to please.
Margot Verger will not be in the movie, nor will Crawford. Plus Ridley Scott included a scene depicting a famous Lecter incident that was famously described in SOTL. (Actually, I think this is pretty common currency among the Hannibles on the net.)
PS. Brock, don't you think Liotta is too young to play Krendler? How amusing it would have been to have creepy Michael Douglas' head examined by the Wise Doctor?
[This message has been edited by NomoPutzy (edited 01-24-2001).]
01-25-2001, 11:34 AM
I didn't think that the plot was any mystery...don't worry, we didn't ruin anything that the recent article in "Premiere" magazine hasn't already revealed or shown pictures of (issue with Julianne Moore on the cover), I mean, everyone knows already...besides, the film will probably not be a literal interpretation of the novel. One example is that they are not going to simulate the plastic surgery that Dr. Lecter went through in the book...Hopkins said it was his idea...he wanted to make Lecter out as someone who just doesn't care because he is so cocky...
Nomoputzy...I always figured that Krendler wasn't too much older than Starling, so I figured Liotta would work well with Julianne Moore since their both around the same age...plus Liotta can look pretty old if he tries...just check him out when he plays "coked-up out-of-his-mind" or "alcoholic insomniac" in so many movies like "Goodfellas", "Copland" and that flick with Linda Fiorentino...
Well it is official the brain eating scene at the end of the book WILL be in the movie. As will the scene of young verger cutting off his own face and feeding it to the dog, Pazzi getting hung and gutted, and from what I understand director/actor Spike Jonze will play the unlucky poacher who gets cleaned and skinned along side the deer.
So I guess all of the books most shocking scenes will be in the movie.
01-31-2001, 03:21 PM
I couldn't wait to see this movie as it is, but reading what you guys have had to say is getting me even more stoked for February 9th. That is the total coolest that the gory stuff we've heard about in the others may be in this one. I think the casting is superb and Julianne Moore is an excellent actress and choice to replace Foster. Foster was great in SOTL, but no big loss, for me anyway. I agree with the misunderstanding about Margot. What the heck, she was a large part in the book and like someone said, **SPOILER** she did kill Mason. I wonder how the hell they'll modify the storyline. I finished the book last summer and had never read a book by Harris. I totally loved it and want to read the others. The teaser is done well and extremely eerie, giving nothing away, that is the way it should be I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ONLY A WEEK AWAY!!! WOOOHOOOOOOOOH!!!!
Having heard some peoples personal opinions of the film, who have already had sneak previews of the film, the word is quite positive, although not as good as Silence of the Lambs. The main issue was the lack of emotion showed in the film between the characters, and Moore was said to be slightly dissapointing, trying to play Jodie Foster instead of her own version of Clarice, and her accent is sadi to be exactly like Jodie's.
I am really not paying much attention to talk yet, as i am really looking forward to seeing it myself, and making my own judgement, but its still meant to be great, with a surprise ending.
02-05-2001, 10:04 AM
I just read the book this weekend... my husband warned me that I was going to ruin the movie..(I'm going this Sunday)I vowed I would be able to stop before I got to the end...but I couldn't. I am so excited to see the movie this weekend to see how much it follows the book. This should be a great movie.
02-06-2001, 10:35 PM
Hey everyone, i just heard something interesting on the radio yesterday. One of the local DJ's who does a special on movies once and a while said that the last 15 minutes of Hannibal "...is going to be the scariest ever in movie history."
Now, i have not read the book and i know pretty much nothing about this movie but I'm going to be plesantly surprised if this is true.
Now, here's something else I'm wondering. 'Silence of the Lambs' was a classic. It was really and truly scary. None of this cheap scares with gore, guts, and blood like Scream, no they went for the suspense which is where the true scares come from. If Hannibal can pull off the terrifying ending they're offering WITHOUT the cheap thrills and chills then you can count me in opening night.
Am i the only one who shares this thought?
02-06-2001, 11:28 PM
The last 15 minutes of HANNIBAL are shocking certainly (especially if you haven't read the book) but scary? Wrong adjective. Or perhaps I have a different idea of scary.
02-11-2001, 05:21 PM
It might not be as good as Silence of The Lambs, but my word am i excited about going to see it!
02-11-2001, 09:23 PM
hey, i'm glad a bunch of you have replied on my post. i saw Hannibal opening night and it was good. not great but it was still really good. most of the movie is true to the book. a couple scenes here and their are differnt and the VERY end of the book is changed... not the good part of the book anyways. the eding of the movie is better in my opinion. more realistic. and during that "extremely gorss" scene i was laughing my ass off. but i was also laughing when i read the book. all and all good tight movie.
i wish they would have explained the whole pig thing better like they do in the book. but if you saw snatch than it's explained to you in that movie anyway.
02-17-2001, 09:16 PM
Did anyone else see Hannibal opening weekend and this weekend? I want to know if anyone noticed that the ending was edited this week. *SPOILER!!!*
When I saw it for the second time they cut out the acutal cutting out of the brain piece and putting it on the grill, it just cuts from Hannibal with the knife to the piece being on the grill without showing it being cut out of showing Clarice gag.
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