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Tuukka
05-02-2001, 10:55 AM
Well, I wrote a pretty popular pro-LOTR topic a few months ago. I guess now it's time to write an anti-LOTR topic. I still believe that the films have a big change to rule the world, but here are some worries:

1. LOTR will be very SFX heavy films. It's very important to their credibility that they look "real". The effects are handled by WETA, which is Peter Jackson own company and they are best known for the space travel sequence in Contact (which ruled). The problem is that many important elements in the films will be made with CGI. For example Gollum will be a 100% CGI creature. Gollum is an extremely important character and he is not a humorous sidekick like Jar-Jar Binks. It's very important that Gollum feels like a real, complex character, not a special effect. No film has ever had a CGI character with major dramatic weight, so I wonder if LOTR can pull it off. Also the main SFX supervisor Mark Stetson left the project four months ago. Apparently he had major disagreements with Jackson. I wonder if it indicates that they are having problems with the effects work.

2. So far 95% of the pics I have seen look really cool. Unfortunately the other 5% are outdoor shots, that have obviously been done in studio. The weathertop scene in the trailers is a good example. It's overlit and looks like a stage. It important that the outdoor scenes look real, not like studio.

3. A huge amount of characters. The films have more than 20 major characters, which can lessen the dramatic impact of the films. In movies too many characters usually lead to messy and confused stories, where the audience has no time to really identify with anyone.

4. Dialogue. I've heard that the dialogue in films will be very loyal to the books. In other words it has certain poetic quality, that can be distracting for many people. It works on page, but does it work when people actually SPEAK it? It might seem too pretentious.

5. The project is simply HUGE. It's possibly the biggest, most complicated film project anyone has ever made. I wonder if Jackson can keep his artistical control in such a big project. The films might be messy and unfocused.

6. This is not an artistical problem, but I'm not happy with New Line's marketing strategy so far. The internet teaser one year ago was very cool, but the theatrical teaser and poster are underwhelming. They are cool for a guy like me who knows the context of those shots in the teaser, but the general public is not going to get excited. It's fine if they don't want to show their cards, but just look at the teasers for A.I and Unbreakable. They don't show really anything at all, but still they rule. They could have done the same thing with LOTR as well, but the execution of the teaser wasn't good at all. Well, at least the cinematography looks cool.


Next week New Line is going to held a big LOTR happening at Cannes and they are going to show lots of footage in there. I guess after that we will know a lot better if the films are going to work or not.

Dark Prince
05-02-2001, 11:01 AM
We'll just have to wait and see then, shall we?

Tuukka
05-02-2001, 11:06 AM
Yes, but with that attitude we could ignore the whole "upcoming movies" forum... /ubb/wink.gif The point is to argue, even if we have no idea what we are talking about.

ak
05-02-2001, 01:21 PM
I touch on your concerns Tuuka, but i have every faith that Peter Jackson will pull it off, as he doesn't want to go down in history as the man who destroyed the potentially greatest trilogy of all time.

P.S - I actually think the teaser poster is superb, an excellent piece of art work that really entices. It's very broody and tinged with sadness, this i am pleased about.

ak
05-03-2001, 04:52 PM
JUST SAW THE NEW NAZGUL PICTURE!!!! WOW!!!!! COMPLETELY SCARY STUFF!!!!!

I think the picture has been taken off the net now due to legal stuff or something, but the picture basically shows two Nazguls with their cloaks off, they look shit scary and very weird.

I think the picture is still available at AICN, but DO NOT look at this picture if you dont want major spoilers!!! and i mean MAJOR!!!

Tuukka
05-04-2001, 06:57 AM
Yeah, the Nazgul are creepy mofo's. I also liked the design, clothing etc.

ak
05-07-2001, 03:29 PM
Having pondered for a while, i think, overall, that LOTR films are going to absolutely thrash Star Wars in every respect, and, by my standards, this is no light remark, let me tell you.

The problem with making science fiction films is that within a few years, toward a decade or so, they begin to look dated, due to the vision of the future att he time obviously being dated to that time.
With the Lord of the Rings, it is actually set in the past, like films made before, so it won't age as much, cause, strangely, aspects of the past are so dated, that they aren't actually dated.
The only thing that dated with films such as those set in the past are the film's means of actually filming the film, cause general camera movements and techniques do date.
The only real thing that can date with LOTR is of course the aspects above and the special effects, which can easily (or not) be updated in a Star-Wars style special edition.
Star Wars, and all science fiction films ever made look dated, including The Matrix, strangely.

Tuukka
05-08-2001, 04:13 AM
Well, it will be only a few days until they show the new teaser and 20-30 minutes of scenes at Cannes. There will be countless of reports of that happening, so we will have a pretty good idea how the films are turning out.

Cyclonus
05-08-2001, 04:33 PM
Tuukka: You criticized the photos, yet said that 95% of the ones you've seen so far were pretty good. I don't get it.

Tuukka
05-08-2001, 04:48 PM
Like I said, 95% have been good. But we have seen less than 1% of the films. The 5% of pics that don't look that good might indicate that the 99% we haven't seen yet might be not so good either. The trouble concerns mainly some outdoor scenes that look a bit fake because of the lighting. Nothing too bad, thought. And I believe in the visual sensibility of Jackson.

NexSplbrg
05-09-2001, 06:09 PM
Lord Of the Rings is going to be great and all three will become cult classics. I havent read the book and i dont intend to. I want to be surprised with all 3 films. I dont care if there is a whole lot of hype it will be the Star Wars for the 21st Century.

Cyclonus
05-09-2001, 08:46 PM
At this point, I'm actively avoiding all the hype, so I don't set myself up for disappointment. /ubb/frown.gif

Personally, I think the Trilogy will rock. /ubb/smile.gif

ak
05-10-2001, 04:20 PM
I think, with "hype" that, well, its quite a strange thing. For example...my friends always go on at me for hypeing the films too much, and that i will be dissapointed, but, i know i won't be. Thing is, every time i look at just one single image, that is like 7cm by 7cm, isn't moving and has no sound a shiver still runs down by spine..i really cannot imagine what effect the film is going to have on audiences.

Also..my friend Paul (aka Curious Alien) is quite a miserable bugger, and generally doesn't get excited about much, but i showed him a pic of some Nazguls etc and he was quite impressed.

I can guarantee to a great deal of people, through my faith in the project and the quality of what i have seen thus far that this is going to be the greatest film trilogy of all time and will put that "Still, only one in three people visit the cinema" statistic down the drain.

Of course, there are a great deal of miserable, and i mean miserable, people out there who are going to analyze this film (due to its scale) to pieces and pick up everything that's wrong with it, if indeed a great deal of anything.
And then there's the books' die hard fans. Well, they may very well be dissapointed with what they see, but they must understand that this is the best that we are going to see, and a project such as this will never come round again.

ak
05-11-2001, 02:19 PM
P.S - After hearing Cannes reports of the films..they will astonish.

Unbelievable.

Tuukka
05-11-2001, 06:44 PM
Yeah, the word from Cannes is EXTREMELY positive... It seems that these films will be something quite special...

Cyclonus
05-11-2001, 08:19 PM
Yeah, man. You must be a bit embarrassed for thinking it would suck. /ubb/tongue.gif

Tuukka
05-11-2001, 08:31 PM
Well, I didn't really think so. Provocative topic names just usually generate more interest... I have had pretty much faith in Jackson all the time. Just check out my "7 REASONS WHY LOTR WILL RULE!" topic... /ubb/smile.gif

Ld Shier
05-17-2001, 11:30 AM
Jackson has said that that his trilogy is only an adaptation- not THE adaptation. I saw
Liv Tyler on Late Night with Conan O'Brien
last week and she spoke some elvish from the film. Pretty impressive, but I must say, I anticipate the film being unable to live up to the hype. I have never read Lord of the Rings, but I am well aware of it's place in literary circles. I will give Peter the benefit of the doubt, simply because he has covered his ass. You can't rip a guy too hard for attempting the near impossible (as I'm led to believe making these films is).