Star Wars: Episode II; Attack of the Clones!!!!!! [Archive]

bskutle

08-06-2001, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by ANTBond007:
It sounds similar to The Empire Strikes Back, and I think that was the point. You can't call it 'The Clone Wars' for two reasons. One, the title would then be 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars.' Pretty stupid. Number two, the clone wars actually don't happen in this film. The final battle is a bit of a prelude to them, with the clones being called in, but the war doesn't actually break out untik after Attack of the Clones.

'Sides, it's not that bad of a title. It's no worse than The Matrix Reloaded or The Fellowship of the Ring (not to harp on the actual films - I'm merely mentioning title).

Ok, I'll give you "Clone Wars" thing, but "Attack of the Clones"- it sounds like some lame-ass horror flick you'd see on MST3K. And for the record, it'll probably be "Star Wars: Episode II- Attack of the Clones" like it was w/ "TPM" with the episode # in between.

Also, even though I'm not a fan of "The Matrix," I actually think "The Matrix Reloaded" sounds pretty damn cool in a sly nod to the film's cyber-punk feel. As for "Fellowship of the Ring"- tell it to Tolkien; he's the one who came up with it.

08-06-2001, 06:38 PM

I thought a title like "The Shadow Falls" would be great, and it was suggested once or twice through certain Star Wars novels. I am immensly dissapointed by this news, just when I thought we were going to have a dark title to match the so-called dark film I was mistaken for the worst.

The title isn't even inspired which makes me angry, yes, Lucas may say it's a tribute to the old Sci-Fi "B" movies, but it hardly works. What makes me even more angry however, is the apparent lack of thought gone into the title. It's so simple, and sounds so child-like. I am not a happy chappy. It may grow on me, but The Empire Strikes Back was the far better "Cheesy" title, which is at least very catchy.

[This message has been edited by ak (edited 08-06-2001).]

Eelco

08-06-2001, 06:39 PM

Ok Claire, to me a title of a film is sometimes very important, particularly for a Star Wars-film. It doesn't sound stupid when your answer to someone's question: "Which Star Wars-episode do you like the most?!" is: "The Phantom Menace" or "A New Hope". At least you can more or less say that they thought about these Star Wars-titles. An answer to this question like: "Attack of the Clones" or "Return of the Jedi" sounds a lot more stupid. A movie's title alone certainly doesn't immediately say everything about how good the movie will be. See for instance "The Natural", "The 6th Sense" or "Predator", those were all great movies (weren't they?!). But, a good movietitle can more or less stimulate or attract me sooner to seeing the film than when it sounds very cheesy. In the end, I still think it's a dumb Star Wars-title, but I think it'll still be a good movie (just because it's Star Wars!).

ANTBond007

08-06-2001, 07:13 PM

ak, I will give you the point that it just doesn't sound as cool as The Empire Strikes Back. No arguments there.

However, if we're really to go on the negative/positive trend, this is indeed a "positive" title. How? Well, first, I must put a **SPOILER** warning here. Okay, then read on (this is brief). In this film, the clones basically save the day. The 'Attack of the Clones' basically saves the lives of many Jedi and stops the arena massacre on Geonosis. **END SPOILERS**

Lucas has also stated that he wants the prequel titles to be similar to the original trilogy. Hence The Phantom Menace sounding like A New Hope. In this case, 'The Shadow Falls,' as cool a title it might be, would not sound like The Empire Strikes Back. I also find 'Attack on the Clones' to be better than the rumored 'The Rebellion Rise Forth.' I would, however, have used something other than 'Attack.' It's a bit too generic a word.

edonline

08-06-2001, 07:27 PM

How about...

Star Wars - Episode II: Send In The Clones
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08-06-2001, 07:27 PM

How does The Phantom Menace sound like A New Hope.....plus....no plot details are available....Lucas rubbishes everything he hears, and i don't believe any rumours....although he has stated that the goodguys get severely beaten at the end of this film.

TheMovieMinor

08-06-2001, 09:33 PM

If that title is kept, that shows "Reloaded" will beat Clones ass. Thats all. Thanks

Walk the walk, and stalk the fuc*.

ANTBond007

08-06-2001, 10:31 PM

Like A New Hope, The Phantom Menace title mentions a single individual affecting things.

**MORE SPOILERS** Blah blah blah...

As for not believing rumors - 90% of all rumors so far have been confirmed. Anakin vs. Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus in an Episode II select, the rain battle, etc.

The Republic isn't really 'defeated' physically at the end, but they are morally. Basically, the separist movement by Count Dooku is taking a huge toll, they were just in a huge battle at Geonosis, and they only thing that saved them was clones. By the end of the film (the last shot, in fact), millions of clones are produced and shipped off in front of Mace Windu, Yoda, and Obi-Wan Kenobi.

I think it'll be cool though with Obi-Wan investigating Jedi Master 'Sido-Dyas,' who called for the production of the clones /ubb/smile.gif

kici

08-06-2001, 10:39 PM

Oh good grief. I avoided this thread because I thought it was some lame joke by Eelco. I finally popped over to the official site.

Imagine my surprise.

Attack of the Clones? This title is not similar to "The Empire Strikes Back." It is similar to "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" and "Attack of the Giant Horny Gorilla" (yes, such a film existed.)

A film's title sets the tone. It is possible to have a cheesy title that's cute and fun. Attack of the Clones is just plain lame. I'm sorry, but there's nothing fun about it. It's certainly not the end of the world, but if you were one of the actors, wouldn't you be just a little bit embarrassed right now? "Attack of the Clones" has a low budget, 1950s B-grade horror flick feel to it. If I weren't an SW fan and I heard that title I would be laughing my fanny off and no--I would not be laughing with it.

I would be laughing at it.

This title makes the movie seem like a joke. Hopefully Mr. Lucas will get a clue and change the title before release. He did it before. Has he lost touch to such a degree that he doesn't realize this?

ClarkGriswald

08-06-2001, 11:44 PM

This May, coming to a theater near you, Clown Master Anakin Skywalker tries to master the Clown technique and overcome his love for the Texas cowgirl Padme in STAR WARS EPISODE 2: ATTACK OF THE CLONES!

...

LOL! It isn't possible. I have a better reason NOT to see this flick next year. I thought Lucas would have wised up. We don't WANT Jar Jar and Godddang it WE DON'T WANT A COMIC BOOK TITLE for a movie title! If you need me, I will be glorifying Spider-Man for the next few months!

pofcorn

08-06-2001, 11:59 PM

Im gonna get my point across pretty quickly...

Ahem...

THIS IS ONLY A TITLE!

A FUCKING TITLE!

WTF is wrong with you guys??? I thought that all the dudes here knew about movies pretty well. And the first thing I know upon coming here today, is that you guys are all arguing about a MOVIE TITLE!

GIMME A BREAK GODAMMIT!

Ender

08-07-2001, 03:08 AM

Okay, first things first, The Phantom Menace, Matrix Reloaded, and The Fellowship of the Ring are all VERY cool titles.

But Attack of the Clones?
You know, I've made it a point over these last two years to defend George Lucas in every capacity. No one gave The Phantom Menace more glowing reviews than myself. But thist time (weary sigh), well, the man is obviously on crack.

I realize that is only a title, and when you get down to it A New Hope is pretty weird sounding too. But a title sets the tone for the whole movie. Episode II was supposed to be a darker film than it's predecesor, but Attack of the Clones sounds about as dark as a Teletubbies marathon (and illicits exactly the same gut-wrenching nausea). Well, I'll still support the movie. Maybe old George will come to his senses and change it at the last minute. Or maybe it will be a really cool movie and no one will care. Either way, I'll be a happier man for it. /ubb/wink.gif

theINSIDER!

08-07-2001, 06:22 AM

theINSIDER! says:
That's gotta be the worst title since "Die Harder"(Die Hard 2)!And "Reloaded" is the best title since "Judgment Day"(Terminator 2).

Jack Raven

08-07-2001, 06:26 AM

I have to say that 'Attack of the Clones' sounds waaay to poor for a SW film.

Anything that can allow a person to refer to both a big budget movie and Attack of the Killer Tomatoes in the same sentence as a genuine comparison of level of quality spells certain doom for said big budget production.

In this case it will be name and (hopefully) not quality, but as long as that association exists in anyones mind the fact remains that SW2 will be pronounced guilty by association.

Ergo a change of name is required.

As for what to change the name to, well I still think TPM wasn't a great title- but it does make sense once you understand what Palpatine was (really) doing.
In the same vein, how about 'The Rot Within' or some similar based name. This is after all what his true aim is for this time, and it makes reference to the 'Journal of the Whills' extract Lucas used as the Prologue to the first Star Wars novel (the one he wrote himself based on EP4, and still the best written SW book).

Cannon Fodder

08-07-2001, 07:37 AM

And I thought The Phantom Menace was a crap title. What has George Lucas been smoking? I hope the lousiness of the title isn't an indication of the quality of the film, it kind of was with the Phantom Menace.

Scorchlord

08-07-2001, 09:14 AM

I think a way to judge this is to imagine how it would be as a stand-alone title.

If a movie came out called "Attack of the Clones" and you knew absolutely nothing about it, it wasn't Star Wars, etc., would you even be remotely interested in it because of the title?

Terrible title. I don't care if its a callback to the pulp of yesteryear, the Star Wars universe is supposed to be a vast, thriving thing - and Attack of the Clones make it sound so lameass that non-Star Wars fans are going to rip it to shreds.

claire

08-07-2001, 09:55 AM

Ewan Mc Gregor said: "It's a terrible, terrible title"

But he also said a while ago that the script was a LOT beter than TPM, so i don't worry about the title.
The movie's going to rock!

Tuukka

08-07-2001, 09:58 AM

Ewan said that? That sounds great! He is generally very reliable when he talks about his movies. He said that PM has a bad script and horrible dialogue before the film was even released...

ClarkGriswald

08-07-2001, 10:27 AM

As much as I really want to support the new Star Wars movie, I just can't. I was a pretty big SW fan up until The Phantom Menace came out. After that, I just sorta dropped out and found better movies. (The Matrix for one!) And I think George had better wise up. I haven't seen much on the Web about Episode 2. Everywhere I go its Spider-Man this, Matrix that. If Georgie Lucas, the crack wonder (I mean sci fi writing wonder), can't get his head outta his wazoo, Spider-Man and the Matrix are gonna stomp Ep II - and that IS my prediction.

claire

08-07-2001, 10:37 AM

to tuukka:

Ewan said that, and i trust him when he says that Ep2 will be a lot better than Ep1
Even if Ep2 has a cheesy title, i'm really looking forward to see it!!

HarvB

08-07-2001, 11:12 AM

It's just one short step from Phantom Menace to Attack of the Clones... And whats next? "When Jedi Attack"? "When Senators Go Bad"?

Scorchlord

08-07-2001, 12:00 PM

Rumored Episode III titles:

"From Once an Anakin, Now a Vader"

"The Beginning of the End of the Beginning Again"

"The Mass Jedi Fart Gathering"

"Where Have You Gone, Obi-Wan?"

"The Clone Wars Attack!"

edonline

08-07-2001, 01:23 PM

Insane Clone Posse?

V dude

08-07-2001, 02:40 PM

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suitably crap name for a film which will be a suitably crap addition to the already suitably crap series

marino83

08-07-2001, 02:45 PM

first off i cant even stand Lucas. im so sick of Stars Wars bullshit anyways. Attack of the Clones is so lame and gay. ak is right, The Shadow Falls would be cool even if it doesnt make sense. i dont know why it would be called that but it sounds cool i guess.

that dork Lucas could call this movie "Attack of the Teletubbies" and it will still gross 400 millon plus...rat bastard.

Horror whore

08-07-2001, 02:50 PM

WTF???????

DieHardBruceFan

08-07-2001, 03:17 PM

I don't know, I don't think the title is as important as the necessity for this film to be darker and stronger than Episode 1.
Right away I frowned at the title, I too think "The Clone Wars" would sound a bit better. Oh well, lets just hope the actual film is better than the title.

Narrator

08-07-2001, 03:46 PM

who cares what the title is as long as we hav a fucking good movie like we dserve!!!!

We deserve a good movie goddammit! Now George I hav stuck up 4 u here so u let me down and im cumin afta u from a galaxy far far away and yes i will strike u down with all of my hatred and so what if my journey to the dark side is complete it will b worth it!!!!!!!!

08-07-2001, 03:50 PM

Apparently, Ewan McGregor, who heard about the title through the tabloids called it a "Terrible, terrible title". Go figure...

08-07-2001, 04:02 PM

Well, actually "The Shadow Falls" makes perfect sense, as it represents the darkness of the Emperor and his empire...he is the "shadow" of the title....and it is heavily falling on the Star Wars galaxy.

P.S - I'd just like to say to those who think they know the Star Wars Episode II story, they are completely wrong. Everyone knows the gist, but no one knows the ins and outs. I lauughed when i heard the rumours for Episode I, i am laughing at the ruomours of Episode II.
Lucas is in a world of his own, not even Rick McCallum knows the stories until George is finished with it, and he is not actually finished with Episode II yet. As for Episode III, all the sad fan assumptions will come out again, totally guessed by the way. Lucas keeps thing so tied up in his own head, it's impossible for anyone to know, and that's what i like about Lucas....

ANTBond007

08-07-2001, 04:22 PM

McGregor never called Phantom Menace's script horrible. He said he was disappointed and it could've been better. That's hardly horrible.

BuddhaMonk

08-07-2001, 04:23 PM

Well, this is ridiculous...
The title is fine, nothing great, nothing terrible. It does exactly what it's supposed to do. Like it or not that's the way it is, so lets take a look at WHY it is. George Lucas started writing Star Wars and Indiana Jones based on the serials he saw as a kid and loved. They had cheesy titles too, but that was part of the allure. Thinking that "My God, the clones are attacking!" and being serious about it. Let's look at this a different way. When Quentin Tarantino puts things in his movie that he loved as a kid (board games, pam grier) whatever, it's seen as hip and cool. Because for some bizarre reason people are infatuated with the late 70s/early 80s. His love of these old dorky things is inherent to his supposed "coolness" now. Lucas is doing the exact same thing, he's just from a different generation. And the things he's putting in aren't some dinkass plea to be "cool", they are what he still thinks is cool.
I'm tired of people saying they're tired of Lucas. Let's see how you handle having the most popular films ever. No matter what he does he's going to piss off thousands of people, if not more. The man cares about what he's doing and is lucky enough to have a life where he can help create an entire world that millions of people love. But he's not God, he doesn't know the exact title that would make every single person think that it's the best ever. He just has to follow what he believes. So if you're a fan of star wars then respect it's past and where the idea for the whole thing came from in the first place. This is a serial, the best I and many others have ever seen, so try to understand that and then sit down and enjoy.

Ender

08-07-2001, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by V dude:
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suitably crap name for a film which will be a suitably crap addition to the already suitably crap series

You know I've seen men put to death for saying less than that.

Cyclonus

08-07-2001, 05:33 PM

*hides under rock till this argument dies down*

08-07-2001, 07:48 PM

I actually just downloaded a video of Ewan McGregor's reaction to the title from another site, Nicole Kidman was with him too. He badically said "Is that better than The Phantom Menace, i don't know". Then he laughed in utter disbelief at it.

PackBacker

08-07-2001, 08:27 PM

The title makes it sound like a Jean Claude Van Damme or Nicholas Cage film. Needless to say, that is not a compliment.

Lazycouch

08-07-2001, 09:41 PM

Let me just say that that is one of the absolute worst titles you can come up with for a Star Wars movie. At first I thought it was a joke. I thought it was like a parody or something.

Of course all Star Wars titles sounded a little cheesy, but this just sounds like some title to some 70's sci-fi B movie.

But it doesn't matter. They could call it Star Wars Episod 2: Crap on a stick and Jar Jar's rise and 12 year old acne-filled fanboys would still line up to see the movie.

08-07-2001, 09:57 PM

Lazycouch.....am i right in thinking you posted on AICN too, cause someone said exactly the same thing as what you just said.

Alf-Life

08-07-2001, 10:39 PM

True Lazy, true... and the title does sound very B-Movie-esque... just when we thought it couldn't be worse than Phantom Menace... then again, maybe he'll surprise us and give us a Natalie-Portman-with-a-Stormtrooper sex scene... the modern version of Princess Leah in her Gold Bikini. Maybe not.

Anyway, at first I was horrified and laughed so hard I fell off my chair. However, now reading what you've all said, I suppose it is only a title, however when you think of the names of things in the series, it pales in comparisson - I challenge anyone to think up a better word that Jedi. That has to be the best word in the world. And Lightsaber... pure genious! /ubb/biggrin.gif Then you have your Imperial Stormtroopers' uniforms, the naming system for Jedi Knights (JEDI KNIGHTS!!) and the naming system for the Sith guys; 'Darth' Vader. Ahem, I'm rambling some BS because here it's like 4am... but bascially he could have done a lot better with the title and hopefully this could be to reverse the immense pressure that was put on Phantom Menace (which incidentally I didn't think was that bad)... who knows, maybe it's the biggest in-joke of all time... maybe he'll still change it... maybe Natalie Portman WILL do that nude scene...

The Heart Collector

08-07-2001, 11:00 PM

I don't see what's wrong with THE PHANTOM MENACE. You know, a hidden menace? Anakin? The Sith? Hello?

kici

08-08-2001, 12:10 AM

I heard the clip, ak. Usually I'm critical of Ewan's "foot in mouth" tendencies, but it's hard not to snicker at his and Nicole's reactions. It's such genuine disbelief. It's the way I reacted when I heard it, and the way a great majority of the fans reacted most likely.

At the end of the day it's just a title and I still think Lucas is a fine film maker, but....

Attack of the Clones?!!!! Let's be honest. After 24 hours of reflection, it still blows.

Angel_2nd

08-08-2001, 01:18 AM

Ugh, you guys are supposed to know about movies. So how many of you thinkt he title will actually stay the same? Hell some movies have been through hundreds of titles (not literally) before the useful one was found. And hey, even if the title stays, atleast it isn't as bad as others.
And, on an off note, i think that "The Matrix Reloaded" sounds pretty cool.
-Angel

Jack Raven

08-08-2001, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by The Heart Collector:
I don't see what's wrong with THE PHANTOM MENACE. You know, a hidden menace? Anakin? The Sith? Hello?

Anakin and the Sith were not the menace refered to in the title of TPM.
The 'phantom menace' was in fact the Trade Federations attack on Naboo- which was just a means to an end for Senator Palpatine.

You see in the great scheme of the SW galaxy a single planet means pretty much bugger all. The Hutts have dozens of planets and you don't see the Republic collapsing as a result.
The real menace was the political use Palpatines machinations would make of this situation. If Naboo fell Palpatine could get rid of Chancellor Malorum himself, if not then he would get Amidala to do it. Either way, as a Naboo citizen he was most likely to get sympathy votes to become the next Chancellor.
Thus the menace that the Jedi fought was just a phantom. Defeating the droid army meant as much to Palpatine as a boxer punching his own shadow hard enough to break the wall it was on whilst a thief is going through his locker.

As such the title 'The Phantom Menace' isn't as catchy as 'The Return of the Jedi' or 'The Empire Strike Back' but has appropriate meaning.
Note also for all titles so far the reference of said title is occuring for the duration of the entire movie. If Lucas sticks with the immensly lame 'The Attack of the Clones' then either they will be attacking throughout the movie (thanks for giving away the plot George!) or he will be breaking with tradition (and sanity).

zpa123

08-08-2001, 08:25 AM

i think that the title is FOOLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think that it may mean that Darth Vader is not the true ANakin..that anakin was cloned and the clone is the evil one..HA!!!

sico_freak

08-08-2001, 08:32 AM

I don't like the title either. IT's interesting that the title just comes up as theres been a lot of talk about cloning on the news.

waynesmale

08-08-2001, 09:49 AM

Ok lucas is now making Star Wars into the Batman saga , It started off real good then Jar Jar came along now this crap Title.

I was waiting for something like BIRTH OF AN EMPIRE or FALL OF THE JEDI but it seems Lucas wants to make his titles sounds like a B-GRADE Action film.

Lets just hope the film is better then its Title

inglourious basterd

08-08-2001, 11:49 AM

The title gives the viewer a first impression toward the movie. In choosing "Attack of the Clones", Lucas made a bad step. He is lucky that he has already had his series and his career already established or the movie would make less than 30 million.

Afterall...how willing would you be (in this present day) to see a movie with a title like "Attack of the 50 foot woman".

Mr. Show

08-08-2001, 12:23 PM

Eh - what should we expect after Episode I? It was clear from that piece of work, that G. Lucas is a bit rusty. He sat fat for 18 years, revelling in his trilogy, yet the fifth and sixth installments weren't even his butt in the director's chair, so really he's been out for 24 years +/-. The one movie of this series he did actually direct was campy as hell, but broke so much ground at the time, it was more a cult classic than anything else. The hype machine did the rest from then up until Episode I.

Nowadays, you have to kinda keep up the pace if you're gonna even try to pull off, or continue with that sort of movie-making (referring to the groundbreaking ideas that evolved into the first three films). People today are not like the people who enjoyed the first films. They have been exposed, even spoiled by crazy visual technology. It is this sort of stuff that is hurting Star Wars currently. In an effort to include today's youthful and tech-drenched expectations, Lucas must pander a bit by focusing so much time into the tech stuff. Us older fans miss to the original look and feel, so I doubt there is much for us to enjoy out of this new trilogy. It may not even really be meant for us.

Those who are upset with Lucas should take it easy. He funds the films, so he can make whatever he wants. If you feel you are owed something, get over it for your own sake. That's not a good way to judge how things should be done. Also, I know we are diehard about our sports and entertainment industry, no matter how much we criticize it, but remember it is just for fun. We're not curing cancer here, so don't get too bent out of shape over such things.

BuddhaMonk

08-08-2001, 02:22 PM

The newer movies are supposed to look nicer and clean. I think George did this on purpose to help the story. Part of the mystery is how did we go from the slick, beautiful landscapes and machines of the first episode to the beaten up and run down look of the machines and people in the original trilogy. I think he's doing fine. I think the problem stems from him having to satisfy the kids who originally saw the trilogy when they were young and how his audience has grown up. We want tougher bad guys and more intelligent stuff and we all hate Jar Jar because he was made for the new kids who are just getting introduced to star wars.

ArmyJacket

08-08-2001, 03:09 PM

At first i was shocked and appalled at the new title, but now i think it's great! Nowadays there aren't enough movies with cheesy-ass titles like this. Whens the last time you've got to go to a movie theatre and say "1 for Attack of the Clones please"? I can't wait!

ArmyJacket

08-08-2001, 03:21 PM

oh, and by the way, i think "Matrix reloaded" is one lame-ass title.

Ender

08-08-2001, 04:44 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jack Raven:
[B] The real menace was the political use Palpatines machinations would make of this situation. If Naboo fell Palpatine could get rid of Chancellor Malorum himself, if not then he would get Amidala to do it. Either way, as a Naboo citizen he was most likely to get sympathy votes to become the next Chancellor.

THANK YOU! Geez, I was starting to think I was the only one on the whole fucking planet who understood that! You have no idea how many times I've heard someone say "Episode 1 had no plot", only to sit them down, give them that speech, and here them say "Ohhhhh, I get it now!" Man, what's with people? Does Lucas have to spell out everything?
Maybe that's why he picked this crappy new title. If he didn't, I just know that six months after it's release I would hear people saying "Wait, there where clones in that movie?"

royofsuave

08-08-2001, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Eelco:
I just read at www.starwars.com (http://www.starwars.com) that the second Star Wars-film is called: Star Wars: Episode II; Attack of the Clones. I'm not really happy with this title, but that's just my oppinion. What do you all think of this Star Wars-title?! I think Star Wars: Episode I; The Phantom Menace is still the best title there is. I'd rather have a title like: Fall of the Republic, The Clone Wars or Rise of the Empire.

royofsuave

08-08-2001, 05:36 PM

If u havent already noticed the only Star Wars titles that are deemed 'good' are the ones attached to 'good' films. i'm sure that if Episode II turns out to be a good film then all those people mocking the title now will be saying what a great title it is. Its basically due to the hypocritical ethos you Yanks.

gl2899

08-08-2001, 06:04 PM

okay for some reason i cant find my original post on here which is just as well now that ive settled down from the initial shock of this SW title.

It is now with an even head and temper that i say that the title for Star Wars, Episode II: attack of the clones......sucks ass.

George Lucas is obviously a no talent Hack. Oh sure he can HIRE a bunch of guys to make muppets or really impressive computer simulated creatures, but thats it. Hes a great business man and marketing GENIUS. He knows f**k-all about decent story telling or directing. For example: A new hope was indeed a campy romp. and for its time it broke new ground and George did a great job for the time. HOWEVER, Empire, which is in my opinion the superior film in the trilogy, had very little physical involvement from Lucas. All he did was toss out ideas and an outline and another director and screenwriter took over. Then along came Jedi and George got a little more involved , thus we have the ewoks. But he wasnt involved in it to the point that he made it a silly laugh fest like Phantom Menace was. My friends and I have been highly dissapointed in Mr. Lucas' work (this is a high understatement considering people from my generation,in their 20's and 30's hold the SW trilogy in very high regards, we grew up with it) Also Mr. Lucas has poo-pooed the novels that authors who are quite often also fans have written. He says "i dont consider those part of the universe i created" why not? the worst of those novels and comics were better than 10 Phantom Menaces. I hope Lucas regains his sanity soon and changes the title, even though i am pretty sure the movie will suck regardless. But I am sure these adle brained kids growing up on pokemon and N'sync will make it another "grand" blockbuster. Pee-yewsa indeed.

Brandon

08-08-2001, 06:28 PM

First off, I am a huge SW fan, and I am withholding major judgements on any part of the film(title included) until after I see the finished product. However, I wanted to point out a few things.
1. Some people have said that this title will affect how much money the film makes or people won't see the film because of the "lame" title or something to that effect. Let me point out that the majority of the movie going public refers to every film in the entire series only by "Star Wars."
2. Also, to those of you who thought that "The Clone Wars" would have been a better title: think how that sounds and looks when you put it as "Star Wars: The Clone Wars." Sounds kind of dumb and redundant, doesn't it?

08-08-2001, 10:50 PM

Brandon, you are correct.

ANTBond007

08-08-2001, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by gl2899:
okay for some reason i cant find my original post on here which is just as well now that ive settled down from the initial shock of this SW title.

It is now with an even head and temper that i say that the title for Star Wars, Episode II: attack of the clones......sucks ass.

George Lucas is obviously a no talent Hack. Oh sure he can HIRE a bunch of guys to make muppets or really impressive computer simulated creatures, but thats it. Hes a great business man and marketing GENIUS. He knows f**k-all about decent story telling or directing. For example: A new hope was indeed a campy romp. and for its time it broke new ground and George did a great job for the time. HOWEVER, Empire, which is in my opinion the superior film in the trilogy, had very little physical involvement from Lucas. All he did was toss out ideas and an outline and another director and screenwriter took over. Then along came Jedi and George got a little more involved , thus we have the ewoks. But he wasnt involved in it to the point that he made it a silly laugh fest like Phantom Menace was. My friends and I have been highly dissapointed in Mr. Lucas' work (this is a high understatement considering people from my generation,in their 20's and 30's hold the SW trilogy in very high regards, we grew up with it) Also Mr. Lucas has poo-pooed the novels that authors who are quite often also fans have written. He says "i dont consider those part of the universe i created" why not? the worst of those novels and comics were better than 10 Phantom Menaces. I hope Lucas regains his sanity soon and changes the title, even though i am pretty sure the movie will suck regardless. But I am sure these adle brained kids growing up on pokemon and N'sync will make it another "grand" blockbuster. Pee-yewsa indeed.

You're telling me The Crystal Star was better than ten Phantom Menaces? Ha! I still maintain that Episode I is the most complex film in the series, and a far greater piece of work than Episode VI: Return of the Jedi. How many other Star Wars films have this many vital plot lines running at once?

I'd hardly consider the man who came up with THX-1138, Indiana Jones, and Star Wars a hack. He had more to do with The Empire Strikes Back than you'll never know (though he didn't take credit, he wrote several drafts of what was then "Star Wars 2"), and I look forward to seeing his touch again in Attack of the Clones.

Again mentioning that title, let me put it this way. Star Wars is basically a six-part film. Each individual 'episode' has its own title. But the fact of the matter is, all most people will see is 'Star Wars.' If you're a kid watching Flash Gordon, are you not going to watch an episode because it's titled 'The Evil Treehouse of Doom'? No. You know the series title; the episode one hardly matters.

Do you believe people are going to care about the Lord of the Rings titles if the films are hits at the box office? In 2003, people won't seen 'The Return of the King'; they'll see 'Lord of the Rings' and say, "Cool!"

Adidas03

08-09-2001, 01:50 AM

Reply to royofsuave:

What the hell does a title name have to do with the quality of the movie? I can name films that I still think the titles are lame and stupid but that doesn't mean I can't like the content in the movie. Your post made no sense at all. If Episode 2 is a great movie so be it, I will continue to believe the name - Attack of the Clones isn't original at all and too generic.

Eelco

08-09-2001, 10:30 AM

Ok, after all these reactions, I hope that you all understand that I didn't start this post because I hate Star Wars! I'm a very big fan of the movies and George Lucas has a very creative mind (I don't care what other people think of him). I just don't like the title!
Oh yeah, to the one who said that the subtitles of the Lord of the Rings trilogy aren't that important?! Well, to me they were when I read the books. An episode without a title (so only with a number) will not be remembered by anyone for a long time. The titles of the LOTR-books all say in a very compact way what will happen in the long run.
I don't have anything against George Lucas, I think he has a very creative mind. A little while ago I also read an autobiography about him. I'm not really sure, but I think I read about this title Attack of the Clones. Maybe he already has had this title in his head for a very long time, he just didn't know which episode he would give the title. Maybe this is all rubbish, but I still have this feeling that I already have seen this title somewhere. Well, I think I'll just have to read the autobiography again.
No matter what, I still think it's going to be one of the best Star Wars episodes, but not better than The Empire Strikes Back mesa thinks!
Furthermore, I don't hate Jar Jar Binks, but I still hope he'll have a very very small part in the next Star Wars episodes. One episode with Jar Jar Binks was I think already enough (they should have given him a much smaller part in TPM)!
I also think that Boba Fett isn't such an interesting character. It's a pitty he'll play (or his family) an important part in this second episode. He should have stayed small, he's more interesting than! But, George Lucas just wanted to please Boba Fett's fans I think!

Zed

08-09-2001, 10:58 AM

Well, even when I'm a big SW fan, I didn't like the title.

And, by the way Eelco before called Rise of the Empire, Lucas should pay millions for the name to Microsoft Corporation (They got a videogame with the name) /ubb/smile.gif

Anyway, I agree that sounds more like The Attack of the killer Tomatoes.........

Parchai

08-09-2001, 05:57 PM

How about this: "Star Wars II: Search for Curly's Gold". I like it!

The Heart Collector

08-09-2001, 06:49 PM

How about we stop it with the stupid "Episode II: (insert lame title here)" jokes?

bskutle

08-09-2001, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by The Heart Collector:
How about we stop it with the stupid "Episode II: (insert lame title here)" jokes?

Now now, they're just contunuing what George Lucas started.

Dark Prince

08-10-2001, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by Parchai:
hehe, ok which Star Wars was named "A New Hoe"? Cause that's the one I wanna see!

Ditto!

Scully1888

08-12-2001, 11:01 AM

Hi.
I'm a regular poster at the Horror Movies: Past/General board, but as soon as I heard that Episode II was gonna be called Attack of the Clones, I had to come and see what everyone was saying. So if you haven't heard of me, please don't start calling me a newbie and flaming me, because I read all the posts here - I just don't reply to any.
But "Attack of the Clones" has amused me so much that I have to say something. George Lucas will make it an embarassment to say the title of his movie.
I didn't have a problem going to the cinema and saying "one for The Phantom Menace", although it did sound a bit dumb. But who in the Blue Hell is going to go up and say "one for Attack of the Clones" and not feel like he's asking for a ticket to go and see Doug's First Movie?
I prersonally would have called it:

Star Wars Episode II - Lesbian Ass-Fuck invades the Grease Factory.

The title would be just as dumb, but it would sound a lot better when buying a ticket to go see it.

gl2899

08-13-2001, 07:00 PM

You're telling me The Crystal Star was better than ten Phantom
Menaces? Ha! I still maintain that Episode I is the most complex film in
the series, and a far greater piece of work than Episode VI: Return of
the Jedi. How many other Star Wars films have this many vital plot
lines running at once?

I'd hardly consider the man who came up with THX-1138, Indiana
Jones, and Star Wars a hack. He had more to do with The Empire
Strikes Back than you'll never know (though he didn't take credit, he
wrote several drafts of what was then "Star Wars 2"), and I look
forward to seeing his touch again in Attack of the Clones.

Again mentioning that title, let me put it this way. Star Wars is
basically a six-part film. Each individual 'episode' has its own title. But
the fact of the matter is, all most people will see is 'Star Wars.' If
you're a kid watching Flash Gordon, are you not going to watch an
episode because it's titled 'The Evil Treehouse of Doom'? No. You know
the series title; the episode one hardly matters.

Do you believe people are going to care about the Lord of the Rings
titles if the films are hits at the box office? In 2003, people won't seen
'The Return of the King'; they'll see 'Lord of the Rings' and say, "Cool!"
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Okay first of all you are right about THX, that was a deep thoughtful movie. BUT...why cant Lucas CONTINUE doing something deep and thoughtful and keep it entertaining at the same time?? I totally support anyones opinion and I just gave mine. And I stand by everything I say. Lucas at one time was imaginitive and creative, but i feel he has the creativity of a childrens programming director at this point. And yes I agree that the Crystal Star (the worst of the star wars novels) was better than the phantom Menace. And yes I think that the under title of the star wars movies does have an effect on its box office and critical credibility. Look all over entertainment news headlines and youll see people making fun of the title. If Lucas cant take his work seriously, why should anyone else?? And lets remember this is a place for opinions. Many of us love cinema, and movie buffs are some of the most opinionated people youd meet (outside of political buffs) but just because all our opinions dont melt into one cheery (or dreery) exclamation doesnt discredit
or make our opinon more or less valid than anyone elses.