matrix 2

[adamjohnson]

does anyone actually know what its about? bc if neo truly has become "the one" then what forcecould possibly satand in his way and create conflict. As cript where hey trick him into thinkin hes still in the matrix but place him in the real world and try to kill him there where he has no powers would be cool ( my idea) but what are they really ggoing to do ?

[theINSIDER!]

theINSIDER! says:
I don't know too much about the the sequel,all I know is that it's supposed to take place immediately after the first one and Aaliyah is gonna be in it.(God,what a bad actress.I sure hope she's better this halloween than she was in "Romeo Must Die" when "Queen of the Damned" comes out...)
So says theINSIDER!

[theINSIDER!]

theINSIDER! says:
I don't know too much about the the sequel,all I know is that it's supposed to take place immediately after the first one and Aaliyah is gonna be in it.(God,what a bad actress.I sure hope she's better this halloween than she was in "Romeo Must Die" when "Queen of the Damned" comes out...)
So says theINSIDER!

[Ender]

theINSIDER! says:
I post twice just in case you didn't hear me the first time!

theINSIDER! says:
I post twice just in case you didn't hear me the first time!

...sorry, couldn't resist. Won't happen again.
/ubb/wink.gif

[Dark Prince]

I dunno the plot yet, but I'm really hoping that it won't be a let down.

[Ender]

Ditto. We badly need a good sci-fi series. The first Matrix set a great foundation, let's hope they don't drop the ball on the sequel(s).

[neo]

i'm a big matrixfan and i can't wait for this movie.Does anybody know if there is already an official matrix 2 site?

[morpheus]

Don't know a thing about the new matrix, but I can't wait till it arrives.

YEEHAWW!

Morpheus

[Watermelon Man]

Neo is the one, so In guess they are gonna try to take the control in REAL life and finish what they started in The Matrix.

[Zed]

I've only have heard gossips.

My questions are:

The movie is now been shoting?

and finally

WHEN THE MOVIE WILL BE RELEASED????????

I bet it won't be in May (with Episode II) nor in December (with LOTR: Two Towers).

[neo]

a while ago there were some new photos on the internet with on it some guys with long hair ans some cool cars.i've heard that there will be an awesome chase where in neo and the agents jump from car to car.

[Dark Prince]

Anyone seen the script around anywhere?

[normjr]

The only thing that has me drooling is that the Waschoski??? brothers have said that htey wrote the fist movie with the next two in mind and had alread had the scripts completed for all three before the first one came out. I have no idea what the plot is. but I think that the battle will spill out of the Matrix and into the "real world" and I heard that a battle takes place at Zion itself. It should be cool. I also heard Aaliya say in an interview that they were filming both films together. Not sure if that's true or not though.

[neo]

he normjr, it's true that the filming both films together.I've heard that the matrix:reloaded will end with a cliffhanger.
Between the two releases there willbe about 5,6 months.

[goliathslw]

haven't heard when its coming out, but did hear they were filming a couple of months ago. but i can't wait. the first one was great, and this is like a movie which was written int hree parts, so its like it's completing the story, not just adding to a finished story

[kramer-rules]

SERIUOSLY MAJOR SPOILERS.MIGHT NOT BE TRUE BUT DONT READ AHEAD BECAUSE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF INFO.SERIOUSLY IF YOU LIKE SURPRISES IN YOUR MOVIES DONT READ AHEAD.>>>>>>>

the movie starts off with morpheus neo and trinity visiting the oracle.after a brief discussion they are attacked by hundreds of agents which neo helps to fight off.among the agents are a new breed known as virii.
this is because they are computer viruses not computer programs.they actually harm the matrix and are bad for the robots but they have to use them because tney can alter the matrix as they see fit just like neo.they can multiply quickly and in one shot actually fill an entire part of the matrix in a scene that is meant to be major.during the battle neo is disconnected out of the matrix and the link terminated.it is then a race against time for neo to get to zion and help the humans in a fight against the machines so he can back into the matrix and get trinity and morpheus out.while this is going on the two captives are fighting and running from the virii and agents.this is said to include a car chase on a motorway with trinity and morpheus leaping matrix style from car to car as the drivers one by one turn to agents.if that doesnt sound like one of the best films of next year i dont know what does.

im really sorry if i spoil it for anyone but i thought a few people would like to know this.

[kopikat]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ender:
Ditto. We badly need a good sci-fi series. The first Matrix set a great foundation, let's hope they don't drop the ball on the sequel(s).</font>

Matrix 2 & 3 won´t be as any other sequel, since they weren´t written after the first one in order to exploit its financial succes.
You see, The Matrix is an entire story which has been divided into 3 parts.
Part 2 and 3 are beign filmed simoultaneosly. Part 1 was filmed alone because it was like a test: if it was succesful, part 2 and 3 would be released, otherwise, it wouldn´t worth the trouble.
Part 2 will be release next year (2002) and part 3 in 2003.

****FOLLOW THe WHITE RABBIT****



[This message has been edited by kopikat (edited 08-10-2001).]

[APzombie]

accualy it had delays and reloaded wont come out till 2003 /ubb/frown.gif

[rgse]

Matrix is one of my favorite movies of all time.

BUT, it did have some serious mistakes:

1: if the babies only feed off the dead, then the population would never grow. Think about it. 1 person would have to eat much more than 1 other dead person throughout his/her lifetime.

2: why are the telephones a jump point? Since everything in the Matrix is not real, then shouldn't you be able to jump out anywhere:

3: if the folks in the Nebuchadnezzar can supply the people in the Matrix with anything, then why didn't they just supply them with better weapons, armor, etc.?

4: remember after getting rescued, Neo's eyes hurt from the light? Morpheus says its because he's using them for the first time. OK, that also means he's using ALL of his muscles for the first time, right? So that means he shouldn't even be strong enough to stand up.

5: after being disconnected from the Matrix, why did the robots just flush Neo down the chute? Wouldn't they have used his body to feed the other people in the Matrix?

There are many other problems with the movie, can you think of any others?

[meccajay]

Well rgse lets discuss...

1 &lt;if the babies only feed off the dead, then the population would never grow. Think about it. 1 person would have to eat much more than 1 other dead person throughout his/her lifetime.&gt;
Im sure thousands of people died each day and with artificial insemination they could control the births based on food supply or if there wasnt enough food they could terminate as many humans as they needed.

2 &lt;why are the telephones a jump point?&gt;
Good Point actually, but Im sure the connection point was a phone LINE based on most peoples knowledge of the internet we could assume the phone was some sort of open end modem connection.

3 &lt;why didn't they just supply them with better weapons, armor, etc&gt;
Remember the central point morpheus explained about the people being 'unable to except the truth' and couldnt handle the reality.

4 &lt;he shouldn't even be strong enough to stand up.&gt;
When did he stand up?? Was it after days/weeks/months of therapy & acupuncture. . . I think so.

5 &lt;why did the robots just flush Neo down the chute&gt;
It was Morpheus who flushed Neo and then picked him up, basically they had to 'program' the matrix to release him.

[slowpoke2]

Great follow up mecca, all good points...

[rgse]

Umm, wrong on all points.

1- that still does not explain how a population could grow. It's still a many-to-one relationship for every baby in the matrix. That would mean the population would decrease. There has to be another food source.

2- there are no phone lines in the matrix because all of it is not real. There is nothing physical in the matrix, it is all software.

3- that has nothing to do with it. Neo already has accepted the truth, so why can't he handle better weapons?

4- how old is Neo? Let's just say he's 20. That means for 20 years he has not used any of his muscles, so his muscles must have atrophied to nothing. Even months of treatment, which is ridiculous since there is no mention of it in the movie or the book, would not have come close to giving Neo the strenght to even stand.

5- all Morpheus did was fool the matrix into thinking Neo wasn't "alive" any more. He did no such thing as directly programming the matrix to let him go. You would think that something as technologically advanced as the matrix would have just considered Neo dead and use him as food.

[kopikat]

Matrix 2--&gt;Update

-Some "little" problems during the shooting of the film:
1)Keanu Reeves´s wife lost a child in her 8th month of pregnacy and killed herself some time later.
2) Carrie-Anne Moss broke an arm while shooting an action scene.

-"Plot Gossip": Some rumours which are going round the inet state the following things:
1)In Matrix 2:Reloaded the city of Sion will finally appear.
2)Trinity will turn out to be an agent.
3)Someone more powerful than Neo will appear.

Well ,thats all folks...and don´t panic, remember: not all that appears on the internet is actually true.

[This message has been edited by kopikat (edited 08-14-2001).]

[BoomstickProductions]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by theINSIDER!:
theINSIDER! says:
to take place immediately after the first one and Aaliyah is gonna be in it.(So says theINSIDER!</font>

Wrong. Unfortunatly Aaliyah died in a plane crash on August 25. Sad, eh? I heard that in Reloaded Neo will end up helping the agents.
Only a rumor.

[Emailmanx1]

I agree with RGSE, the Matrix is fun to watch but I think it's one of the most over rated movies I've ever seen, even though I love most other futuristic sci-fi, I actually liked the over all idea of it, the Matrix itself but the movie went past the point of fantasy into the rediculous zone.

So, to add to RGSE's many problems with the movie, here are some of mine.....

...."upload the pilot program to my brain" just when they need to know how to fly the chopper?, Lame. And the silly and fake looking Kung-Fu scenes, flipping around like they're on the moon, and The Matrix controls absolutely everything, why is it limited to a few guys in suits trying to find the heroes?

Not many people see past the "KEWL' EFFECTS DUDE". The actual story was kind of a mess.

[meccajay]

Here is the REAL point RGSE. . .

In order to even watch The Matrix or any other sci-fi you 1st have to have whats called 'suspended disbelief'. Im mean I could explain til 2050 and you'd still find holes in(just about) all my explainations, 1st I didnt write the movie but more importantly it didnt exist because it COULDNT exist!! People can't dodge bullets, walk on walls, jump across building etc because its not possible!! Not in a Matrix, not anywhere! You disputing the movies is a giant waste of time, and my explainations are like me trying to deeply explain KING KONG when we both know big monkeys dont exist on an island with dinosaurs. . .Come on, dinosaurs and giant apes!!!!!!!! There is no such thing! Just as there are no Frankenstien monsters, no Death Stars,no aliens that hunt you for sport, No chinese assasins who can walk on tree braches, no replicants, and NO MUMMIES that chase you!! It just cant happen!! "Okay RGSE, Kong wants the girl so he can have a wife who'll share in his feelings of love, a sexual partner, someone who can cook and he can show off to all the dinosaurs....now shoot that one down".
What CAN happen is you can just sit back and enjoy a good movie(with plot holes) and be amazed by the effects and the fact that you ARE seeing someone dodge bullets/walk on walls/jump rooftops etc - something you have NEVER(er except for Blade) seen before!!

Give it a try.

[Emailmanx1]

We all understand that in fantasy we accept certain things.

Like some people in the future decide to build a huge death-star, o.k. why not, let's roll with it.

They clone a dinosaur from a fossilized blood sample, o.k. why not, let's roll with it.

A Mummy is brought back from the dead, o.k. why not, let's roll with it.

But when it comes to obvious, rediculous multiple holes in the story (for those who actually pay attention to the story) like RGSE and I have mentioned, that ruins the movie. But of course, some people don't see past the cool special effects.

[meccajay]

Emailmanx1, your comments are minimal.
I would prefer to speak to the comments made by rgse since he at least put some thought behind his comments, but since you decided to "roll with it" then let me address a few of them for you....
You mentioned obvious, ridiculous, multiple holes in Tha Matrix.....So are you saying that King Kong did not have obvious, ridiculous, multiple holes?? Was it a good movie anyway?? I think so..
We should "roll with" a mummy coming back from the dead. Okay then, mummies do come back from the dead-Care to explain how??
"Clone a dinosaur from a blood sample" Ok why not?" ....Cause it cant be done! There is no way to get dinosaur dna from a 65 million year old mosquito trapped in amber THAT'S WHY NOT! Even if they could would they know how to care for one and raise it?? Ever see the trouble animal experts encountered just trying to raise polar bear cubs???
"Build a death star, ok why not?" For starters, did you ever see the explanation of that one in CLERKS?? So we can just roll with 'holes' in certain movies and not the Matrix?? Think again! All movies have em....even Pulp Fiction, but they remain great movies.
Oh, and the "Lame /silly fake kung fu" comment- You may be right about this, I mean since the actor playing agent smith and Keanu and others broke bones filming these scenes huh? Well I guess if the Kung fu choreographer is known as one of the best in the world then it WOULD look fake, which validates your point. Just like Crouching Tiger faked its way to 4 Oscars.

Simply put, there are holes in your holes....

As for the rgse comments -

I agree that I misunderstood what you meant in some of your orig post so let me explain further...

#1) A person eats more than 1 dead person in a life time-
My point is we don't know how many humans are alive in the matrix, lets say they maintain only 100,000 at a time. Or even 100,000 new births a year. I content that no matter how many are born they know exactly how many they can sustain. Also, they have killed most of mankind which means hundreds of millions of dead people.....somewhere. Ever hear of COLD STORAGE.
#2) Phone lines to get in and out-
Well The Matrix isn't real but it is connected to your brain which makes it real, it also connects you to software/hardware access. If you are in the matrix you can disconnect by picking up a (non real) phone line and you are at the switch to disconnect yourself...to complete the disconnection someone on the outside must send the program to flip this switch, much like eating a piece of Steak triggers a switch for what this would taste like.
#3) Better armor in The Matrix-
Oh you mean like the Troops in Starship Troopers have state of the art spaceships but didn't have tunnel boring impenetrable M1 tanks that could wipe the planet clean with little to no casualties-INSTEAD of just troops walking around in the open with non-deadly machine guns that take a full clip to kill one bug?? You mean like that??
Simple answer....Hollywood! Usually if there is a 'hole' like that then it means if your hero's are to invincible it tends to make your movie pretty dull!! Vulnerability adds to the effectiveness of your villains....ever hear of Superman, or Robocop, or...
#4) Muscles cant work-
Do we know if the matrix was giving all the people electric shock treatment or muscle therapy? No we do not! Do we know exactly WHAT they did? No we do not! Do we know if the matrix did SOMETHING to keep muscles functioning? YES! How do we know this? Maybe its because EVERY SINGLE MUSCLE GROUP had an attachment to the matrix in the pod!! Which means muscles did not atrophy to nothing!(since Im not paying attention Emalmanx1 and you obviously were:-))
#5) Why wasn't Neo used as food once disconnected-
Again Morpheus disconnected Neo, they sent a bug/program to disconnect once they found him(remember the equip in the hotel room)then once he was flushed the ship picked him up BEFORE he could be used as food. Remember they had done this for years and would know were to pick Neo up.

The 1st thing you should know is that I didn't write the movie and if you asked the writers you'd probably get different interpretation....maybe. If you asked JoBlo or others in this forum you'd get even more interpretations. The fact remains that all things CAN be explained and yet NOTHING can be explained because nothing even close to this is possible!! So just relax and enjoy yourself and the movie rgse!!

-j


[This message has been edited by meccajay (edited 08-28-2001).]

[Emailmanx1]

Mecca,

I'm a big sc-fi fan and honestly don't have a problem with any other movie (that I can think of right now) but the Matrix really irritated me, so I'll admit, I could barely stand watching it that one time.

I agree that RGSE did put way more thought into his problems with the movie, which I'm not going near. But I'm talking about the really obvious ones that just about anyone would notice.

And, a DeathStar not being possible and that's that, is not much of an argument. I guess "Clerks" have all the answers, I'll have to check it out. But 200 years ago, because of technological limitations, the thought of reaching the moon or building scyscrapers would've sounded completely insane, so a DeathStar being built and having wars in space someday doesn't sound like much of a hole in the movie, even though there probably is another hole somewhere.

But all these movies mentioned earlier have a few unrealistic parts, A Giant Gorrilla in King Kong, that's ONE completely impossible example I can think of, anything else about the movie? It's been a while for me. They cloned a Dinosaur, that's one impossible thing in Jurassic Park, anything else? Wasn't not knowing how to take care of or control the Dinosaurs the whole point? They got loose and killed people. Hehe.

We "roll with it" and accept them as fantasy and suspend disbelief.

But the Matrix has MULTIPLE problems and rediculous scenes all over the story, Like I mentioned before...
------------------------
...."upload the pilot program to my brain" just when they need to know how to fly the chopper?, Lame. And the silly and fake looking Kung-Fu scenes, flipping around like they're on the moon,(and, Yes even with a great choreographer the Director still managed to make it look cartoonish) and The Matrix controls absolutely everything, why is it limited to a few guys in suits trying to find the heroes?
-------------------------
PLUS Neo flying off like Super-Man in the end? Sheesh, gimme a break. Now tell me you didn't chuckle when you saw that.


The Matrix goes way beyond the point of fantasy into the absolutely rediculous zone it's a borderline comedy.




[This message has been edited by Emailmanx1 (edited 08-29-2001).]

[meccajay]

Emailmanx1, I do understand that The Matrix just wasnt for you....and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that!

enjoy the movies....

[rgse]

Uh... meccajay, you are completely missing the point. We all know what suspension of disbelief is, but there shouldn't be a suspension of common sense. All of your "explanations" for the gaping plot points are nowhere near good enough.

1- The dead people feed the living. You STILL don't understand what a many-to-1 relationship is. If a baby needs more than 1 dead person to live, than the population would never, ever grow. It doesn't matter how many people are in cold storage. Ask a math teacher or something so he/she can explain it to you.

2- electrical stimulation of muscles does not grow muscle, it can only maintain what's there. So electrically stimulating a baby's muscles will not make him grow up into a muscular adult. Ask a doctor if you are still confused.

3- the Matrix is all software. You should be able to have a jumppoint from anywhere then. You shouldn't need to go to a virtual phone to do so.

4- getting better armor. Umm, you're way off base. You do realize what software is? You do realize you can program better weapons, better armor, better everything? Yet all they brought with them into the building were guns. C'mon!


Think about this. The Matrix is this all-powerful virtual world. Do you seriously think they can only have a handful of agents to look for the rebels. And let's just say they found Neo, couldn't the brain of the Matrix just alter the code to make, let's say, a cage around Neo, or make the floor into quicksand, or whatever?

Get serious. Suspension of disbelief does not mean suspension of common sense.

[meccajay]

Oh G O D here we go again....

1)(The dead feed the living-many-to-1) Lets see, can 500 million corpses feed 100,000 living......hmm.....still not sure?? Dont worry, you'll get it soon enough:-)

2)(muscles) here's what I said "Do we know exactly WHAT they did? No we do not!" This is also what I said "Do we know if the matrix did SOMETHING to keep muscles functioning? YES!" You see, they could have done anything they wanted to the muscles with those huge tube/wire things connected to the muscles in the pod.....Muscles are controlled by the brain so they CAN be controlled by the matrix. Those tubes may be used to send signals for simulated excersize-They could have had a signal go to the muscle groups to mimic each step a person takes IN the matrix, so they are making simaler movements in the pod. This would have also helped them live longer because dead muscles and bones lead to desease!!

3)(software-jumppoint from anywhere) When you are working in WORD, can you exit from ANYWHERE or do you have to hit exit(or the x at the top right corner???? I thought so!!!

4)(better armor) Hello??? Im agreeing with you!! Im simply stating that the producers CHOOSE to go in this direction because IT MAKES THE VILLIANS MORE EFFECTIVE!!!

5(your other point-couldn't the brain of the Matrix just alter the code to make, let's say, a cage around Neo, or make the floor into quicksand, or whatever?) Yes they could, and you'd have a movie that lasted about 10 minutes. . . .C'mon you're smarter than that rgse!!!

Okay, I could do this all day long but this is getting old fast, and joblo is probably gonna shut this down soon anyway so later bro.....

[rgse]

LOL!!! You still don't get any of it.

1- 500 million corpses feed 100,000 living. Ok, now after those 100,000 have eaten all the corpses, they will die, right? Now how many living can 100,000 corpses feed? And so on, and so on... You still don't understand the many-to-1 relationship. Just go ask someone, anyone, on the street. They'll probably be able to talk some sense into you.

2- Ummm, yeah... right. Ask a doctor about electrically stimulating muscles before you make another erroneous conclusion.

3- Hmm... comparing WORD to the all-might Matrix? You still don't get it. A jumppoint should be anywhere.

4- Hello? The producers chose not to go this route because they didn't take the time to realize what they were representing. It was a pure mistake on their part to dumb down the heroes.

5- LOL!!! C'mon, mecca! You've got to be smarter than that. If the audience is supposed to believe that the Matrix is so powerful, then why show the Matrix to be so weak and stupid?

Before you make a comeback, you should run it by a few people first. All of your points are way off base, especially the one about the dead feeding the living. You did take math in school, right?

[Emailmanx1]

RGSE,

It's no use arguing with him, he's just gonna keep throwing any quick excuses at you to defend the lame movie.

[meccajay]

No, not anymore....You guys were right...What was I thinking????