HALLOWEEN 8 IS HAPPENING.......GOD HELP US

[Sean]

Well,it's confirmed,Halloween:Evil Never Dies will hit theaters this October.Shooting is scheduled for March and the film has a bigger than usual budget of $10 million.I think it's still up in the air whether or not JLC will actually have a cameo as many have speculated.But the story has her character being murdered in California,and two detectives head to Haddonfield to hunt down the very alive Michael Myers.I also heard some crap about someone protecting the last of Michael's bloodline.Why is there always one last family member or one last ELM st.kid alive to keep the series going?I have been a die hard Halloween fan for many,many years and I had really hoped that they would leave it alone after H20.But it was the biggest hit since the original,so I guess I should have expected this would happen.Moustapha Akkad obviously intends to keep this going until the day he dies,no matter what.The series has lost all believability and how Michael survived the decapitation will no doubt be laughable.It's over,they need to let it rest.

[Femme_Fatale]

have u heard how they are going to carry it on? by saying that it wasnt Michael but an imposter in Halloween H20!!!!! its crazy!!!! its all getting out of hand!!!

they do have a small amount of info on sequelbuzz.com, which is quite interesting.

i dont believe that Jamie Lee Curtis will want anything to do with it, do u?

i actually think that Halloween 1 and 2 are good, 3-6 are abismal and H20 is ok. what do u think?

i also heard that they are DEFINATELY going to kill of MM in no.8, now where have we heard that before??

[the night watchman]

Mike's been dead for a long, long time, as far as I'm concerned. H8 is going to suck rabid donkey ass.

Damn you, Hollywood! Damn you!

[arminhammer25]

In my opinion the only flaw in the Halloween series has been the horrible screenplays that haunted 3,5,and 6. One is a classic. Two was very scary(but could have been more realistic),4 had a lot of the creepyness and mystery of the original, and H20 was fun but not too scary. 3 wasn't even a real sequel so screw it. 5 and 6 were pitiful. I hated that stupid THORN storyline, Jamie's psycic abilities, Michael's gentle side, and the mindless violence. Obviously the producers wanted to keep the money rolling in so they made each movie stupider and added some mindless subplot to start the next sequel. I'm happy to say though that eight still has potential. With H20 it seems that the producers finnaly have forgotten that whole THORN storyline(and completly forgotten 4,5,6). Second, since this time Michael Myers is coming back they have no choice to make him very tough and very scary ( to make up for the wimpy shape in H20). Lastly, it seems that there is some talent building up behind this, with a decent chance that John Carpenter &/or Debra Hill participating. So as long as the producers aren't making this to pave a path for Halloween 9 : The Who Gives A Shit Anymore Of Michael Myers... this movie should be just fine.

[Crazy Ol' Loomis]

I think that H20 was a good ending to an ok thing. I heard Jamie Lee will have a cameo in # 8. Just to sum up what happens to her charactor. And I hear the explanation will be that the thorn Micheal will have performed a body switch. Or it was an imposter who had the thorn power and was killed. The real Micheal had been recovering from the fire in # 2. I don't know what they will go for???

[!MorganOnyx!]

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
I love sequels! I wait with sheer anticipation for any sequel, especially HALLOWEEN 8 and FRIDAY THE 13TH X.Seeing how the story will turn out, what characters there are and how cool/hot they will be,which ones will die, which ones will put up a fight, how they will temporarily dispose of the killer in the end. Whether they actually will! Ive always wondered if they will let the killer kill everyone and win for a change! Or maybe a black person will survive! Cmon, imagine a life where all you could do was look back on the days when Mike, Jason and co were ruling the cinemas. It would suck. They still rule and H2O proved that!$55 mil. Theres still life in the horror genre yet!Roll on HALLOWEEN 8!

[Skaboy18]

Not another one.....
~Falls to knees and begs for mercy~
Don't do this to me....
This is horrible!
Another Halloween film......................it's just not right!!!
~Bursts into tears~

[Danzig Misfit]

Look all, here is the true scoop on H8, pretend that H20 never happened . . . just like they did with H20. Also, they are going to disreguard Halloween 6, since it was a box office death . . . too bad they didn't release the Producers cut!
Jamie Lee Curtis WILL be in this film, adding to the point that every body has a price!!!!
The film WILL somewhat pick up where 5 left off. I am also a HUGE Halloween film fanatic, and I thought that it was a bad idea the way that they ended the Halloween series, as they took all of the hard work the other directors had put into it and shalved it!!! And yes, Moustapha Akhad had a little to do with that, as he had no idea what to do with the series after the death of Donald Pleasace!
What the hell would you have done? The same as he, when you figured out that you had screwed up. you would resurest the series like he is going to do!!! It apears that he has hired Nick Castle to be Michael Myers one last time, and he will also direct this one! As he needs ffunding for his new film!!!! How cool is that?

[Sean]

Sorry Danzig,but I am very knowledgeable and well informed on this subject,and your true scoop is bullshit.First,they are not ignoring H20.I know that for a fact.H20 was the biggest hit since the original,and half of their audience for this next one is only familiar with the original and H20.That is a laughable idea anyway,what are they gonna do,ignore the previous entry every single time they want to do another?They ignored H3,and H20 ignored 4,5,and 6.By the way,Halloween 6 did better at the box office than 5 did.And you honestly think they will pick up this film where 5 left off? Halloween 5 was a disaster,a complete embarrassment to the series,and contributed greatly to the downfall of part 6.Believe me,nobody at Dimension wants anything to do with it.Also,Nick Castle is in his forties,he might be right for the director's chair,but after George Wilbur I doubt you'll see any middle aged actors playing Michael.Producer Paul Freeman made that pretty clear when Dick Warlock was turned down for H20.

[Danzig Misfit]

Sean, I hate to admit when I am wrong . . . but I was wrong, and you were right. The site that I got my info from was greatly criticized by the fans ( Me included) for trying to pull this shit. And furthermore, they were full of it when Nick Castle was said to direct as well.
Misinformation is not one of my specialties, but I screwed up this time . . . sorry all.

[AntonioDelLago]

If the producers of HALLOWEEN 8 wanted to lure die hard fans back to theaters, they should give us what we want: a sense of history. A good story would be for Laurie and her son John (and his sexy girlfriend too) to head back to Haddonfield now that Laurie assumes she has finally killed Michael. Bring back the characters of Sheriff Brackett, Lindsey and Tommy (hey, if Jamie Lee Curtis can return to her horror roots, I'm sure Tommy's portrayer from Part 6, Paul Rudd, can be lured back as well). Also, they need to acknowledge Parts 4, 5 and 6, and explain why Laurie abandoned her daughter Jamie but kept her son John (who is about one year younger than Jamie). Also, did Lance Guest's Jimmy character from Part 2 survive? After all, he was never attacked by Michael (only received a concussion after slipping in a pool of blood)...and if he did survive, was he Jamie and/or John's biological father? All of these plot points need to be addressed. I hope John Carpenter will direct, and if JLC is killed off early on, there is a list of actresses who could take over as the lead female detective (Angelina Jolie and Jada Pinkett among others). Or maybe LL Cool J (from "H20") and Loretta Devine ("Urban Legend") could team up as the detectives (both receiving promotions and transfers) investigating Laurie's murder. If Michael is indeed dead, then I guess one of the other characters could take over as the killer (my money would be on Tommy Doyle).

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[rage of the beast]

I know I will be in line to see this one.

Halloween is one of the true franchises left.

[!MorganOnyx!]

ANTONIO -
You are right. I, too would love to see certain people come back (Josh Hartnett as John, Michelle Williams as Molly, LL Cool J, and Tommy Doyle, Paul Rudd would be available) Sherriff Brackett to come back is also a good idea, as is Jimmy (he couldn't have died, could he?!). The whole idea of going back to Haddonfield is good as well to see how much the town has changed after a few years without Michael. And i would also like to have all those other loose ends tied up! It's so annoying when film makers do that! Like in JASON GOES TO HELL at the start, he's right back in the woods as fit as a fucking fiddle. When in PART 8 he got melted an shit and turned back into a kid!!! It's such a cop out when the makers forget about certain aspects or whole fucking additions to the horror franchises! They owe it to us fans to give it to us straight and not try and 'fool' us when it suits them!!

P.S. I would also like to see JADA PINKETT play the lead role if/when JAMIE LEE 'gets it'. JADA is more than capable!!!

[SmokyMcpot]

If Halloween 8 goes as planned..(groan)..I'd like to see it follow along the lines as part 6...If anyone has seen the producers cut then they know how I feel...Now,to do my big report on hydrocarbons...

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[!MorganOnyx!]

Everybody keeps going on about THE PRODUCERS CUT of HALLOWEEN 6. What is the BIG DEAL??!! I haven't seen it - i'm starting to think i'm really missing out!!!!!

[SmokyMcpot]

Halloween 6 makes more sense after seeing the producers cut...Check out Arrow's review..It explains it all...

[Cyrus]

Y'know, sometimes I feel like I must really be off base with my views on sequels, especially when I see hordes of slathering fanboy-types lining up in droves to see the next HALLOWEEN or FRIDAY installment. Even worse, they keep speaking of these films as though they were classics! Oh, the humanity!

When I first saw HALLOWEEN, I remember what an impact it had on me. I thought it was the greatest horror film I had ever seen. Being rather young at the time, I looked forward to HALLOWEEN 2. Upon seeing H2, I thought it was okay, but even my then-15 year old self knew they were grasping at straws with the "Oh-my-God-it's-his-SISTER!" bit. Enough was enough, and I for one was glad to hear that the Myers story would be abandoned in H3 in favor of an all new movie based around Halloween.

I was in college when HALLOWEEN 4 came out, and I plunked down my money to see it. After a promising first 20 minutes, the film just died, and I remember leaving the theater thinking about what a timid creation H4 was, especially seeing as how it's supposed to be a HORROR film.

HALLOWEEN 5 proved to be a similar experience, although the film died much earlier after a marvelous opening credits sequence. But it wasn't until HALLOWEEN 6 that I realized just how far the mighty had fallen. Laughter was rampant throughout the film, and upon leaving the theater I heard a lady say to her date "Wow, I didn't know this one was a COMEDY!" I think that about says it all.

Of course, the deterioration wasn't complete until the SCREAM-ish HALLOWEEN: H2BLOW. I knew it was death upon seeing the poster, a veritable lineup of Hollywood's beautiful people with nothing whatsoever to hint at what kind of movie this was going to be. Where was the pumpkin? The ghostly Myers house? The image of Myers' thickly veined hand curled around a massive butcher knife? At least the posters for H4-5 were good, even if the movies weren't.

Where am I going with this? I guess to say that these slasher franchises, aside from being 100% interchangeable, have been a major reason why horror has failed to become a more respectable genre in the last twenty years. Simply a lack of fresh original ideas. There's a reason why these series are rock solid proof of the law of diminishing returns (with one or two notable exceptions).

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'd much rather wait for and search out new and original ideas in the horror realm instead of wallowing in the mire of by-the-numbers, cookie-cutter, all-flash-and-no-substance Myers/Voorhees/Kreuger followups.

Am I alone here, or does anybody else hold out hope for something new?

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[Green]

Halloween H20 seems to have divided the Halloween fans into two groups. The majority fall into the H20 storyline. Myself I liked the 4-6 movies which I seem to be in a very small group. I thought H20 had no story and I didn't like the "hip teen cast" and the way they ignorned the Jamie Lloyd story. I think the reason people keep wanting the sequels is because they care about the characters and the storyline. I accepted the fact that Laurie Strode wasn't going to be in the movies anymore after the first two, and I saw 4 and 5 and liked Jamie Lloyd story. It seems that Halloween 8 is going to have more "popular" actors and a larger budget, I just hope they put in a good story and make some mention about Laurie's daughter. I will still watch all the sequels though.....

[Gerrard]

I can't belive that they would make another movie. If they make 8 it will not have Donald Plesance or Jamie Lee. Why bother?
killing Lauria off will bring the story to a dismial end. Sure it would be cool to see Hartnet and LL Cool J come back but isnt the story dead by now.
Mike is dead.
Let him stay dead.
8 isnt being made because a story needs to be continued its being made for money.
Enough already!

[!MorganOnyx!]

You dudes are gonna have to face the fact that pretty much everything has been done on the horror scene (psycho killer, ghosts, killer dolls, aliens, killer fucking cars!! etc) There isn't, EVER AGAIN until we all DIE gonna be an ORIGINAL horror film without cliches of some sort and shit that none of us have seen before!!!!!!! When was the last time KING and BARKER came up with a decent horror idea??!! You have to accept that every horror movie we see from now on will elements of this and elements of that!

P.S. If you can do better and write an original horror flick then by all means do it! I would LOVE to see it!

P.P.S. HALLOWEEN H2O was an effective slasher movie, with or without the back storylines - FULLSTOP.

[Redeemer]

I can't believe some of you guys think that the series should end with that piece of shit H2O. That movie was the WORST of the series. One more movie should be made to make up for that horrible waste of film!

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[zombiejason]

Mikey has a daughter.Bring everybody back(JLC and Paul Rudd,for starters)and he has a daughter.Did I say that already?

[Cyrus]

Did I say the series should have stopped after H2BLOW? It should have stopped after the original! There was NO MORE STORY after the first!

HALLOWEEN was a very good one-shot film, but it simply did not have enough to it to warrant further chapters. All the nonsense that came later about Thorn, etc. was conceived to wring a few more dollars out of a long-dry cash cow...

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[love broker]

hey i am with Morgan on this one.

The Halloween movies rock.

Especially H20, man i can watch that movie over and over. It reminds me of the original.

And i hope Halloween 8 is just as good

[Sean]

Cyrus, though I agree that Halloween did not need sequel's, but every one of those movies you just slammed were more successful than just about any Stallone/Schwarzennegger movie made in the last ten years. They are done for a small ammount of money,and return a whole lot of money. So don't seem so shocked that there is an interest in these movies, after all, there has been for 23 years.

[Cyrus]

Sean,

They don't return THAT much money. Except for H2BLOW, the HALLOWEEN sequels all topped out somewhere in the $18-20 million dollar range (likewise for the FRIDAY and NIGHTMARE films). That's pretty bad in this age where even a $60-70 million dollar gross is considered a failure (mediocre at best).

And exactly how does that have a bearing on the intrest in these movies? It just shows me that a very small, hardcore group of fanboy-types have a deep rooted appreciation for bad films and inept filmmaking.

Don't mean to offend, I just detest unnecesarry, unneeded, and above all UNIMAGINATIVE followups that insist on telling a story where none exists, thereby taking liberties with the original classic, be it HALLOWEEN, PSYCHO, whatever...

[!MorganOnyx!]

SEQUELS are the most important aspect of the horror industry!!!

CYRUS -
Imagine there was only the original HALLOWEEN, NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET, F13 etc. We would have all got bored to shit talking about these films by now! Damn! This page wouldn't even exist! It's so much more fun when you have sequels to compare them with!
And don't tell me there wasn't one thought in your mind, after the end of HALLOWEEN that said, "Damn! That was wicked! I wonder what happened after that!" IT'S SEQUEL TIME!!! You must have been curious to know why Michael killed, why he didn't die, what's gonna happen to Laurie etc etc
SEQUELS are there to give us these answers! Sure, a lot of them are vague, or they feed us bullshit, but it's so interesting to see what the makers come up with! And besides, nobody i know would've wanted to see MIKEY, FREDDY etc disappear into nothing after one film! And hell! We would never have known the coolness that is JASON if they didn't make PART 2! Now, that is my definition of something 'Blowing'.

P.S. Why are you so filled up with anger for H20. "Inept film making"? Hardly! How many shite straight to video horrors have you seen? Not many by the sound of it. If you had then i'm sure you wouldn't call it 'inept'!

[Green]

CYRUS
You say that these meaningless sequels should never be made and don't make money to warrant any follow up but you have also posted that you have watched them all and you probably watch part 8, right? If they are so terrible then why do you watch them? You should just let us hardcore fanboy types watch them.....
I personally like sequels because I like to see more of a movie if I really like it. Even if they are bad I can still appreciate the attempt. Right Morgan Jason would have never existed if not for part 2!

[Cyrus]

You obviously didn't read my post, Green. I said lame UNNECESARRY sequel. The HALLOWEEN sequels had to fashion a story where none existed. And no, I didn't wonder what happened to Myers at the end; I just thought it was a really cool twist ending. The best horror leaves certain things unexplained, and leaves certain things up to the imagination, which will always be more terrifying than what some hack screenwriter can give you.

As for F13, the Jason backstory from the first film did provide at least SOME substance for the sequel. But even Jason was only good for one film. By FINAL CHAPTER, his ability to terrify was a distant memory, and the FRIDAYs lapsed into black comedy / self parody status.

And yes, I have seen all the sequels.....once. And that was more than enough. And I went to them out of the same morbid curiousity that makes you slow down and look at car wrecks; exactly how bad could it be? I certainly did not go into them expecting any kind of great storyline, or coherence, or continuity, or logic. And I definitely did not go into them expecting to be scared or disturbed. As I have said, these follow ups are fine when viewed as comedies or self parodies. As out and out horror films, they don't even make the first cut. They simply are not scary, suspenseful, or disturbing.

As for H2BLOW, yes, I find it to be incredibly inept filmmaking, with zero suspense, red herring-type scares, laughable acting and effects, cheesy score, ridiculous SCREAM in-jokes, a complete lack of pacing, character development, or anything resembling atmosphere....need I go on?

And yes, I have seen a good many straight to video flicks, and H2BLOW is perfectly on par with most of them.

[Green]

It is right there in black and white, you say that no Halloween sequel should have been made, calling them meaningless, so I did read your post....
There was more story to tell as part 2 did. There is more story to be told if done properly. Like I said I didn't like h20 the best but I watched it because I am a fan of the series. If a more mainstream movie like the matrix went on to eight sequels and wern't on par I would stop watching them because I don't like that film much. You are not a fan but continue to watch the Halloween movies? Victimized by the Halloween cash cow.....

[Cyrus]

I'm not here to argue with you, Green. You like the idea of sequels. I don't. To each their own. I am a musician, and the one thing that holds absolutely no appeal for me is to make the same album time after time. I feel the same way about cookie-cutter sequels.

As for H2 having "more story to tell",
I would remind you that John Carpenter himself only wrote the sequel out of a contractual obligation to Moustapha Akkad, and has said numerous times that it was a mistake and should have never been done. This is why I don't buy into the "kill-his-family" nonsense of the sequels. It is directly at odds with the creator's original vision. It also totally contradicts many running themes within the original HALLOWEEN, but I digress....

As for this 'fan' bit: I am a big fan of John Carpenter's HALLOWEEN. It is a classic film, worthy of the same accolades as PSYCHO, CITIZEN KANE, or any other cinematic milestone. I believe that the sequels are pure and utter crap, but that's my opinion.

I also saw (most of) these films, as I said, out of a curiosity to see just how bad they could be. I paid to see them of my own free will, so your statement about my being "victimized by the cash cow" is invalid.

I was asked earlier why I was so full of anger towards H2BLOW. Simply put, I hate to see any classic character exploited for the sake of a buck, not to mention becoming a parody of his former self. I was appalled that PSYCHO 2 basically rewrote many elements of Hitchcock's film. I was appalled that the Freddy sequels made a wisecracking hero out of a character described in the original as "A filthy child murderer who killed at least a dozen kids". I was disappointed to see the STAR WARS universe reduced to a two hour "upcoming toys" commercial with the Muppet-driven RETURN OF THE JEDI.

And if you're wondering, no I won't be seeing HALLOWEEN 8. I don't have to see it to know that it will be a waste of 90 minutes of my time that I can never get back.

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[Green]

I respect your opinion and I agree with you on the Freddy Krueger/Hero anaylsis.

[Sean]

Not that it really matters, but I'll say it anyway. The average Hollywood film cost's $30-35 million to make. The Halloween sequel's cost about $2-4 million each. Meaning that a take of $15-20 million is considered successful. It is the equivelent of a $50 million film making $200-300 million. Blair Witch made $140 million, a far cry from Titanic, but because of it's beyond shoe string budget, it is considered the most successful film in history. As was Halloween for about twelve years. As far as the merit of sequels, it depends on how they are done. John Carpenter has also said that H2 is valid because it takes place the same night. I don't disagree that more often than not they are bad, but every once in a while they can be good, and serve to better understand the original.

[!MorganOnyx!]

CYRUS -
You are intelligent and clearly know what you are talking about. But i disagree with you saying that the Myers character was exploited for the sake of making a buck! Obviously, that is gonna be a benefit for the makers, but H20 was for the fans. It was the 20th anniversary and everybody i know really wanted to see JAMIE LEE in one more HALLOWEEN. We all got what we wanted, now i will die happy.

P.S. If i made a slasher film, i would base one of the characters on you, and have you talk about your hate of sequels etc. You would get killed very quickly because you would be so busy disrespecting, you would break 'one of the rules' through not paying attention.
Picture, yourself at a party, a room full of people.
CYRUS: "Blah, blah, blah.And then i'm gonna tell you why i hate H20. I'm just gonna go for a slash. I'LL BE RIGHT BACK!"

(sounds of slashing can be heard from upstairs. The slashing of a knife that is!)

P.P.S. I mean no disrespect. I respect anybody with a strong opinion on something. I just think that would be a funny scene!

[Cyrus]

MorganOnyx,

I'm flattered! It would be a logical progression for a character who hates horror sequels to die spectacularly in one!

If you write it, be sure to send me a copy.

Peace,
Cy

[Evanfx20]

WOOOHOOO another Halloween!

[S. PLISSKEN]

Just thought I'd chime in on the whole topic of sequels. I find myself somewhere in the middle of this argument. I do agree with Cyrus that most sequels are very good examples of bad film making. I only wish that Psycho, N On Elm St, Friday the 13th would have stopped after the first one. Even Halloween should have stopped after 2. Maybe it is because I am a huge John Carpenter fan, but I like the feeling of being left hanging at the end of a movie. Why do we have to know what happens next? Who care what the characters do five years from now? JC is a master at doing this (Halloween, The Thing, Big Trouble In Little China, to name a few). For the most part, sequels directly contribute to the disrespect the genre receives.

Even though I am not a huge fan of them, I do watch and enjoy some sequels. There are those few that really enhance the original (Star Wars, The Godfather). The only Horror series that I think somewhat accomplishes this is the Phantasm series. All of these films are very fun movies. However, when I want to see a well written and directed film, I'll stick with originals.

[!MorganOnyx!]

SNAKE -
Nice! The PHANTASM series does ROCK!!! You are right, they are all fun, especially 3.A lot of people think that the 3rd one sucks, but they should get into the humorous side of it (like the relationship between REGGIE and ROCKY, the way he's always trying to lay her! "Keep ya balls in the air, Reg!") and they will realise that this is a great movie!

CYRUS -
I don't think i'll write a movie like that! You and i both know it would BLOW! Ha ha, thanx for not taking my comment too seriously - sense of humour is v. neccessary.

[Jason]

Well, I'm glad to report that in the summer of 2002 Halloween Resurrection made its way to theatres and brought back Laurie Strode. The film made 12.3 million dollars in its 1st weekend, debuting at number four. By the end of the second week the film made 21. million dollars. At this current time the film has made a exceptional 29 million dollars and a 9th film will probably be on the way in the near future.

[Boogeyman]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jason:
Well, I'm glad to report that in the summer of 2002 Halloween Resurrection made its way to theatres and brought back Laurie Strode. The film made 12.3 million dollars in its 1st weekend, debuting at number four. By the end of the second week the film made 21. million dollars. At this current time the film has made a exceptional 29 million dollars and a 9th film will probably be on the way in the near future.</font>

Always good to know.lol. Well, at least if this topic is up in 5 or 10 years and ppl forget how it did, they can search and now they know. And theyll be reading my post too...aaahhh. Sorry that just messed with my head a little.

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