New LOTR Trailer debut tonight!

[bskutle]

That's right. The new trailer for "Fellowship" is debuting exclusively during tonight's season premiere of "Angel" on the WB @ 9pm. Check it out.

[Scorchlord]

I'm already drooling.

[Horror whore]

Now why does it have to be on during a shitty show...I mean I really wanna see the preview but the thought of watching Angel makes me sick!

[ak]

I've heard from TheOneRing.net that this is the final trailer we'll get before the first part's release on December 19th. Like they say, it buggers up reports that there were meant to be another two in the space between now and then.

Please, i don't have means of watching Angel (don't have the channel, what channel is it on, btw, baring in mind i live in UK?), so give a detailed account here.....thank you. And let my erection begin.

[Horror whore]

After we see the trailer...LETS RATE IT! lol, I'm bored...

[cutman]

IT JUST PLAYED!!! MY GOD, IT WAS PERFECT...SERIOUSLY THE BEST TRAILER I HAVE EVER SEEN. I am too excited to type right now, but it ended with "You shall Not pass!!!". Damn I can't wait. Truly epic.

[Horror whore]

HOLY FUCK!!! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/eek.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/eek.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/eek.gif That is one of the best trailers ever! Oh my god! The black riders look magnificant and all the effects look dead on. OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD!

The Trailer: 10/10!!!!!!

[dh1989]

Thanks to the guy below this message. Great Description.

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[cutman]

Alright, now that the crappy "Angel" is back on, I will discribe the trailer.

It began with the history of the ring, and showed a picture of the ring sitting in the bottom of the river.

It then showed a lot of old but spectacular footage, including some new stuff with Sauron and Mt. Doom.

Next, it showed the Fellowship forming, and having Boromir, Legolas, and Gimli saying "You can count on my Sword...My Bow, and my Ax."

It then showed a lot of stuff I'm not sure it was...but a barn like building was on fire, and Frodo had to run to jump on a boat with the other hobbits already on it.

Next it showed some old Mines of Moria footage (including the Cave troll). It also had some footage of the ravens looking for the fellowship, and the fellowship turning back on top of the snowy mountain (prior to Moria). I then showed all new Moria footage (i assume the Cannes footage.) It showed either Pippen or Merry knocking a skeleton into the well and we could hear the orcs coming.

It ended with an awesome fight in Moria, then it showed them fleeing. Then it showed Frodo and Aragon jumping off of the collapsing.

The last shot was Gandalf standing on the bridge screaming "YOU SHALL NOT PASS." Oh my God. It was perfect. I can't wait.

It was a long trailer, by the way.

[cutman]

Sorry, I don't know how to edit old posts.

Another thing I forgot was that the new trailer showed the fellowship in the canoes going by the huge statues on the new poster. It really was beautiful.

Also, Mr. Voice was nowhere to be found...Gandalf did all of the narration.

This is seriously the best trailer I've ever seen. The WB is my new favorite network...alright, maybe not.

10/10.

AK and Tuukka, you WILL NOT be dissappointed.

[Horror whore]

The only MINOR TINY WEENY ITSY BITSY complaint I have is the CGI when all the orangeish/red stiars are falling all over the place and the guy is hanging by a thread..You could pretty much tell it was green screened..BUT I AIN'T COMPLAINING!!!! WHOOOOOOOEEE!!!!

[ANTBond007]

Hmm...I'm not as enamored as everyone else, but it was still a very nice trailer and the best of the 'Fellowship Three.' I'd rate it as a 9/10, docking a point only for some dodgy FX (one thing ILM does right that no one else seems to do -- no "motion blur," which was evident in the trailer). I'm also not a huge fan of the Balrog's (assuming that thing was the Balrog) look, but the trailer was still cool!

Final Score -- 9/10

[Scorchlord]

:: http://www.joblo.com/ubb/tongue.gifees pants:::

I am going to get a time machine, I am going into the future, and I am going to watch this movie.

Ian McKellen might be up for another Best Actor nomination....

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

...................... (shits himself)

[Lindsey]

I was wondering what that smell was... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[cutman]

They didn't show the Balrog....atleast I don't remember seeing anything I thought might have been it. They did show the cave troll.

I didn't notice anything bad about the CGI. Of course, I was very excited...

I can't wait for it to appear on the internet.

[ANTBond007]

I believe that thing that bursts through the Orc ranks is the Balrog. Not totally sure.

Also, about the FX -- it's obvious during some scenes, such as the crossing of the bridge over the lava, that the CGI is not perfect. Motion blur, a big no-no, is very evident, as it is also when what I'll refer to as "The Thing" appears in the Mines of Moria.

[Tuukka]

I haven't seen the trailer yet. www.lordoftherings.net (http://www.lordoftherings.net) has already posted a link to a quicktime file, but it is not there yet. But there IS a frame to frame synopsis of the trailer showing many cool shots. As for the SFX, when have we seen perfect SFX? Pearl Harbour seemed seemless enough with best SFX I have ever seen, but other than that I can't really think of a big film full of SFX that was 100% realistic. For example the effects in Phantom Menace are obviously CGI, and it's considered as a landmark. JP movies fare better, but in the daytime scenes you can often spot the CGI nature of the dinos. The point? Don't expect perfection, just hope that the effects add to the story instead of being distracting.

BTW AntBond, I know that you can have only seen a small part of Balrog's body in the trailer, they are definitely not showing him in a full shot -at least nobody else has spotted him yet (either here or at AICN). And PJ didn't want to show Balrog anyway.

[ban all music]

ANTbond, that was the cave troll that you saw.

[Tuukka]

I just saw the trailer. Awesome! And yes, we only see a small part of the Balrog's leg in the end. The big monster with a club is the cave troll.

[Tuukka]

I have now seen the large version of the trailer about 7-8 times and here are my comments:

Things that I liked:

1. Acting. Everyone nailed it.

2. SFX. To me it looks excellent and there is a sense of wonder to it.

3. Cinematography is awesome.

4. Sets and locations look great.

5. They are still not showing all their cards, which is very good. The only BIG moneyshot in the trailer is the collapsing stairway in Moria. We are seeing only small close-ups of the final battle, which is a lot bigger than it was in the book. In the film version the fellowship of nine must battle against hundreds of Uruk Hai and it's a long sequence. The film will also the last alliance (a gigantic battle) in a flashback and we are not seeing any of it, besides a couple of close up's of Sauron. Also, we get only a small glimpses at Balrog, The Watcher, no flooding of the fjord etc etc... I'm happy that this is not one those show-all trailers.

5. Music suits the atmosphere very well. Better than in the May trailer.

Things I didn't like:

1. The audio-mixing is bad, the music is all too quiet and the voiceovers too loud.

2. Structurally it could have been more effective.

3. I don't like the fact that the montage at the end is all the time interrupted by voiceovers. To really capture a sense of epicness you should only use cool visuals with a majestic score. The climax was a bit lacking in the WOW-factor, because there was too much talk.

4. Some of the pics were not so well-chosen. You should use only the most dynamic, pictures possible, and many pics were obviously just standard fare from the film. I don't mean that pics should be all epic, but they should capture a certain dynamic of movement, which some shots in the end montage were lacking. The recent Gangs Of New York trailer was a perfect example of badly chosen pics from film.


...All in all it was a very cool trailer, not as great as I was hoping for, but better than I was fearing for. 8/10 from me. I think that for once the film can be better (or as good) as the trailer, because we haven't seen anything yet. Makes me happy http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Scorchlord]

IS anyone else having trouble getting the Quicktime trailers to work, via the link from this site? I can't download them or play them.

[Tuukka]

There is too much traffic. Go to www.aintitcool.com (http://www.aintitcool.com) and try some of the mirror sites that are mentioned in the LOTR talkback.

[Scorchlord]

No good, none of them work.

[Horror whore]

I've been meaning to ask this...Who does Liv Tyler play again???

[Tuukka]

Arwen. Arwen has also taken over the role of Glorfindel, who doesn't exist in the movies.

[ANTBond007]

Brushing up on my Fellowship of the Ring knowledge; Glorfindel is Tom's wife, correct?

Also, by no means did I think the trailer was bad. I just don't think the FX look as nice (Pearl Harbor) or as seemless (The Phantom Menace) as some other productions. Still very nice, though.

[Tuukka]

I have to disagree about Phantom Menace. Since I saw trailers for PM for the first time I thought they were OBVIOUSLY CGI. Pearl Harbour in the other hand... Yes, it was seamless. I didn't notice the effects at all. I have now the full screen version of this trailer and while some SFX shots might seem a bit unreal, it doesn't distract me. Also, the fact that they seem unreal can always partially happen because you KNOW that those things don't really exist.

[Tuukka]

Glorfindel was the male elf who saved Frodo from the Nazgul before Rivendell.

[ak]

I have not seen the trailer yet, it's packed, but i have seen the stills of the trailer......it looks so atmospheric!

[Scorchlord]

The cinematography looks wonderful. The one shot of a Black Rider's horse nosing in from the right portion of the screen overlooking the soft rolling hills of Hobbiton is breathtaking and will be amazing to see on the big screen.

I also love the shot of the Fellowship passing by the Argonath in their boats. The feet of the Pillars of the Kings are so incerdibly huge...but the Pillars themselves look a little fake to me.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

If I were you guys I wouldnt worry too much about the CGI. The film is still quite a ways off, and they are surely going to be polishing their special effects up for the final release. I didnt think they were bad at all anyways.

[The Heart Collector]

That was great, but the "You Must Not Pass" or will not or whatever sounded WAY too corny. I don't care if that's the way it's in the book, preview watching audiences will say "What the feck is that?".

[Tuukka]

"YOU... CAN... NOT... PASS...!"

Another scene in the LOTR trailers that will be understood only the one's who have read the book.

***minor spoiler***

In that scene Gandalf is standing on the bridge of Khazad-Dum and facing a 40ft high extremely powerful demon called Balrog, who is about to make sausage out of the fellowship. I personally love it and i think you will dig it as well when you see in in context... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[The Heart Collector]

I know; I've read the book and I know what part that is, it's just people aren't gonna *really* get it until they watch the movie.

I've watched the trailer about 15 times now, and I'm convinced this will become my 3rd favorite movie ever.

[ban all music]

They're not gonna get it in the preview...so what? Do we really need to explain everything to the audience in the preview? I don't think that line sounded corny in the trailer at all...and if anything, people's going to wonder what that old geezer's screaming about, rather than 'that sounded corny, give me the latest Julia Roberts romantic comedy, it's not corny at ALL.'

[joblo2]

I saw it and it's fucking cool.

[The Heart Collector]

Corny things make judgmental audiences back off. No need to put the purple face at me, my friend.

[ANTBond007]

I thought "You may not pass!" came off very well. In all honesty, I didn't think I was looking at Ian McKellen. He both looks and sounds different. That was Gandalf.

Tuukka, I referred to Phantom Menace as seembless because those creatures seem apart of the world. I just accepted that everything looked like that. Watto was especially real to me. At least we didn't get any blue nylon elephants in Jabba's Palace http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

What I mean about Lord of the Rings is, that it's shot 99% on-location, the Special FX are going to stand out more than Phantom Menace if they don't look particularly great. On the otherhand, if the FX are ambitious, no one will care (as in Episode I). I mean, if you look closely during the infamous shot of the Orc army moving, you can tell they're fake, simply because there's a bit of a blur to 'em. What's the point? I sorta forgot...if there are enough "magical" creatures presented well, then we'll accept them.

This post makes absolutely no sense...

[Scorchlord]

Didn't seem all that corny to me.

[Tuukka]

AntBond, there is a point to what you are saying.

But all in all, I'm not going to say much about the SFX before I see it in the context of the film. BTW, I think people are nowadays too fast to say "that was obviously a CGI effect" or something like that. In fact many of the spacecraft shots that I thought to be CGI in PM were actually very detailed miniatures, and when I saw the orc army of LOTR for the first time (the same pic that is in this trailer) I thought that it was a 100% CGI creation, while in fact the few dozen armoured orcs in the foreground are REAL actors in suits. Only the big armies on the background are CGI. It occasionally happens that effects people claim to be obviously CGI are in fact practical effects and those things are for real. The point is that when we see something we haven't seen before, we start crying that it looks fake, when in fact it simply looks like something we haven't seen before, and therefore it looks unnatural. When I saw the first shots of the exploding and collapsing WTC towers, I thought that it looked like a special effect... My eyes refused to believe what they saw. So in order to really say how good an effect is, it has to be seen in the context of the scene.

[ak]

Just saw the trailer.....was blasted of my breath when Gandalf screamed "those" immortal words.
I cannot comment as yet as to what the greatness of these films will be.
It's strange, this is the first time i've actually felt negative for the film. It had very little to do with the trailer, but i've all of a sudden dropped my hype......strange.

[The Heart Collector]

Yeah, me too. I think it's kinda that you WANT to be surprised and shocked when you watch it. Quite frankly, if I keep hoping for Peter Jackson to get a Best Director nod or for the movie to get a Best Picture, then my expectations will NOT be fullfilled.

[Scorchlord]

Oddly enough, I'm with you two. Now that my excitement over the trailer has waned in the passing days, my expectations have also been slightly muted. I don't know why it is either - but I still look forward to this a whole lot.

And I don't think it will be inconceivable for PJ to get a Best Director nomination. I mean, look at the scope of what he had to do - film all three movies at once. That's never been done before, especially for such a massive film trilogy. This is a helluva lot more than what Ridley Scott had to do for Gladiator, and that was an average film at best. PJ shoudln't get gypped.

[Tuukka]

If we talk about SFX, there is only one thing that I'm worried about. How the hell are they going to be succesful with Gollum? He will be a 100% CGI creation and frankly, the effects have to be something we haven't seen before, because the most sophisticated CGI creatures so far (in Phantom Menace) are simply not good enough to portray a complex creature like Gollum. Unlike the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, Gollum has to ACT complex emotions and I just can't see how CGI can achieve that. It's too cold and emotionless. It can work on cartoony light-weight characters like the one's in Phantom Menace or the animals in Jurassic Park, but not for a tragic, subtle character like Gollum. I would prefer them to use a combination of CGI, sophisticated puppets, and in facial close-ups an actor with a convincing mask. Why actor? Because of the eyes. Eyes are extremely important, because that's where our attention is focused on, and CGI can't yet create realistic eyes that can portray even the most subtle emotions.

I really hope that they get it right.

[ak]

Too true, and i have thought of the problem that you just mentioned Tuukka for a long while.

P.S - Ok......I downloaded the fullscreen trailer yesterday, but having gone back and forth to the Quicktime site like a yo-yo i just cannot get the large trailer nor the medium or small, nothing happens at all, no message, no warning, nothing.
What am i to do, cause the full screen was crap quality.



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[Fergus]

I think you guys just had your expectations up a LITTLE too high. I kept neutral about the movie, and told myself I would just see it without expectations at all. But after the trailer, I just have to see it.

And what's this business about Jackson getting a Best Director nod. I wouldn't even think that in a million years. Too much hype for you guys. Oh well... what can I say?

[Scorchlord]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Fergus:


And what's this business about Jackson getting a Best Director nod. I wouldn't even think that in a million years. Too much hype for you guys. Oh well... what can I say?</font>


If Ridley Scott can get nominated for shit fest that was Gladiator, then Jackson can get it for Lord of the Rings.

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Fergus:
I think you guys just had your expectations up a LITTLE too high. I kept neutral about the movie, and told myself I would just see it without expectations at all. But after the trailer, I just have to see it.

And what's this business about Jackson getting a Best Director nod. I wouldn't even think that in a million years. Too much hype for you guys. Oh well... what can I say?</font>

The trailer had nothing to do with me feeling less hyped for this film, i thought it showed some astonishing footage. I wasn't blown away by it (Apart from Gandalf's scream), but from what is portrayed it looks incredible, but i felt like i should de-hype myself and it has happened, which i am glad about.


As for Peter Jackson being nominated for an Oscar? That is un-answerable, and i don't care to answer it, all will be known come next year.



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[Tuukka]

Good decision, Ak. The viewing experience is always better if you don't have too big expectations. In fact the ideal situation is if you see a great film without knowing ANYTHING at all beforehand. Not knowing the setup, not having seen any pictures etc... Then everything can seem fresh and unexpected. I hope they are not going to much more footage of LOTR. I know that I can't resist to watch all the stuff that I can possibly get.