"Attack of the Clones" Teaser Disc.

[bskutle]

***Spoilers***
Well, kind of.

Two words on the trailer event of the Holiday season- ominous much? First of all, the subtitle still sucks, but the teaser was cool. Like the use of Vader's breathing and the Sith music from "Menace"; guess they're saving the banality of the dialogue- assuming there is any- for the actual trailer. Evocative imagery; can't wait.

Well, what does everyone else think?

[The Heart Collector]

I've grown to love the "Attack Of The Clones" title.

[ak]

I still don't think it's a great title by any means, but viewing the title in full i have grown fond of it:

Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones

It just looks catchy, although i think such fan suggestions as this....

Star Wars Episode II: The Shadow Falls

....generally makes far more sense, the foreboding darkness of what's to come.
I also think The Rise of the Empire was a pretty good one, but, it's not happening, but i still like the title.

P.S - Watch out for the trailer on television next week, there are one of two programmes here in the U.K that will definately be showing the trailer.

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[bmain77]

I really liked the teaser. SOme dialouge would have been nice, but there was some very cool images. I was especially happy to see what appeared to be Bobba Fett. I'm not diggin the beard yet though on Ewan Mcgregor.
But it did its job. Between seeing this and watching the episode I dvd, I'm dying to see the movie now more than ever.

[The Heart Collector]

There are some pictures here:

http://jhett.net/fsws/images/boot5.jpg


Replace the number 5 with other numbers. and stuff. It's kinda slow.

[Bry Bry]

man, i HOPE that ATTACK OF THE CLONES is much better than PHANTOM....i have high hopes for this upcoming prequel, as PHANTOM had me disappointed...hopefully, LUCAS will start in with much more action and less of the LAME COMEDY...kill off JAR JAR BINKS in the first 5 minutes, so we dont have to listen to his stupid ass one-liners!!!

[Bane Maler]

where can i see this trailer online? NOW!!!

[Fergus]

I loved the trailer. It was short but SWEET. They show just enough to wet our appetites, and it did a great job of getting me excited.

Some truly amazing shots. Particularly one of droids marching into a ship. Another shot of a spaceship fly by. Portman looks great, what can I say. She is hot!

By the time the teaser ended, I had the chills. Now my friend, THAT is anticipation!

[ak]

There's a problem i face with this trailer, and i suppose something a lot of other people will feel. And that is the fact that the trailer may be great, but we know what Episode I was like, so it will lead to less excitement. That's definately what i feel.

I haven't seen the trailer yet, but know i'll feel excited, then, after i've seen it - somewhere in the middle, between excitement and worry.
I've already heard many claim this is going to be the "greatest science fiction film of all time", and those are the very same people that thought this about Episode I.

I'll reserve judgement until the release and general word of mouth.

[APzombie]

i cant beleive that they made a cgi yoda! He was just sitting there, they could have used a puppet! And i cring when anikin was frenchin portman, shes like 10 years later.

[Benny]

What a cool teaser trailer! I am now highly anticipating Episode 2 after seeing it Friday night! The trailer is very well put-together and very enticing.

In the trailer, there is no dialogue, just the Sith music and quick 3-second frames of each of the characters. I was not dissappointed.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I agree with ak. Personally, I would rather watch the Episode I trailer, than the movie. Im not sayint that will be the case, but I am also not saying that it isnt very plausible. Yes, I have seen the teaser, yes I did like the teaser, but I liked the Episode I teaser too. It just isnt fair to base the quality of a movie on a trailer, unless you know quite a bit about the film. Another problem I have with the trailer, is how dark it is. I dont understand why all these people are so excited about this movie being "darker" than Episode I. Just because it is a darker movie, doesnt mean it is a good movie. I just dont see how darker eqauls better. I dont know, maybe its just me.

[claire]

i saw the trailer online today, and i must say that it left me a little empty, but obviously very impressed.
This movie is gonna be just visually stunning.
And it was a good idea not to hear the dialogues, bust instead the sound of Vader breathing.
Amazing, even if the video quality wasn't great, but we'll be able to download it tomorrow on the official wesite.
I'm really looking forward to see it with a good frame and sound quality...

[citznamn]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bane Maler:
where can i see this trailer online? NOW!!!</font>

If you have the DVD, you can see it on-line at SW.com beginning Nov 9th... But you've gotta have the DVD to do it.

[JoBlo]

I just saw it online and added it to the MOVIE TRAILERS (http://www.joblo.com/movietrailers.htm) section of our site.

http://www.joblo.com/images/trailerattackoftheclones.jpg

My first impression? KICK-ASS!!!

It's very dark, very moody, very mysterious, very cool-looking...and did I mention DARK?!? Me likey darky!! And the whole Darth Vader breathing idea was a nice touch...

Anyway...I think it's a great teaser but God knows how the movie will turn out....good first step though...

[ANTBond007]

JoBlo, didn't you like "The Phantom Menace"? I think you should have less worries than some.

Also, I like Yoda's CGI look. He looks very real, at least from that one shot. If they'd used a puppet for the majority of the film, then there would be a huge contrast during his, ahem, "appearance" during the final battle between Obi-Wan, Anakin, and "that one character."

I enjoyed the trailer. After all, I'd like to think I know much about this film, but there were still many things that took me by surprise. I'm also glad they showed part of the speeder chase through Coruscant (the shot of Obi-Wan hanging off of a speeding vehicle).

Looks like good fun!

[A Canadian ThereWolf]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The Heart Collector:
I've grown to love the "Attack Of The Clones" title.</font>

ThereWolf agrees after a while it kind of grows on you! Its kind of a throwback to the old 50's monster movies! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

The trailer looks f*ckin' cool, and it leaves you wanting more.
It's the kind of trailer that tells you everything and nothing in 57 seconds flat, not much of a clue of the storyline but some impressive shots of the movie itself! And great music and effects, (sound & visual!)

ThereWolf can't wait till May now, he's getting the same anticipation he got back in Nov. 98 When he saw the first "Phantom Menace" trailer!!!

BTW is Natalie Portman looking even hotter or what?!? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[ak]

I just saw the trailer here on t.v in the U.K, i was impressed indeed, but not overly-enthusiastic.

- The CGI looked to still be in a working-progress (obviously), some of it looked very basic.

- I was highly impressed with Yoda - He looks fabulous in CGI, and makes you wonder why Lucas didn't focus on making him look superior in Episode I, rather than wasting talent on Jar Jar.

- A very strange sequence including what looked to be Obi Wan floating in an energy field - cloning?

- Another impressive shot of Obi Wan holding onto something for dear life, whilst travelling at very high speed over a city, perhaps Coruscant.

- I think the whole water sequence looked horribly fake, but pre-production hasn't gone into full swing as yet, and will definately be touched up a lot.

- Jango Fett looked very impressive, although, there was no perspective added in that shot of him flying round that tower, that will be fixed.

- Some smart lightsbare duel shots, between Anakin and Count Dooku (Christopher Lee).

Overall, it had a nice effect on me, but i'm still not going to be praising the film this early.

http://members.tripod.co.uk/mic88/Episode_IIIIII.jpg



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[chrisboo]

I agree with AK's list of notes, but I have another for the pile.

The scene with the clones boarding the ship was ok in the foreground, but I've seen better backgrounds in anime! I hope they put some more time in on it before release, but after Jar-Jar I don't pretend to know what Lucas thinks about anything... :-)

As for Yoda, if I hadn't heard that it was CGI before I saw it (on PC, not in theater) I wouldn't have noticed. If they can keep that up for longer than the 3 seconds in the trailer it will be impressive.

[Scorchlord]

There must be a ton of people trying to download this sucker, so does anyone know of any other mirror sites other than the ones jo blo listed?

[Ender]

They just ran it on the news about twenty minutes ago. My impression? For a teaser, pretty damn good. It most definatly sets a dark and moody tone for the the flick (very Empire-esque), which is the right direction IMHO. I liked the brief shot of Jango, the lightsaber duel, and that weird-ass shot of Obi-Wan floating. Am I the only one who got a very "Dune" type of feel off of this trailer? I also thought that wide shot of the army (droids or clones?) marching into the transport was cool. The breathing effect was irritating, but I understand why it was included (adds a very ominous tone, as bskutle mentioned), so I dug it.

BTW, Monster's Inc. pulled in 60 mil this weekend. Gee, I can't imagine why...

[A Canadian ThereWolf]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ender:

BTW, Monster's Inc. pulled in 60 mil this weekend. Gee, I can't imagine why...</font>

(ThereWolf anxiously raises his hand!)
OOH, OOH, ThereWolf Knows, ThereWolf Knows!!!
Ender PLEASE Pick ThereWolf to answer this question!!! PLEEEAASSSEEE!!! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Tuukka]

Simple: Monsters Inc made 60 millions this weekend because Pixar movies are hugely popular and liked by just about everyone.

Honestly, do you REALLY think that Monsters could have had even in theory more than a 1-5% boost to it's B.O because of the Star Wars trailer? Are you aware of the fact that 95-99% of the movie going public never goes to see a film because there is a certain trailer attached to it? Even hardcore movie geeks like the ones here in Joblo (who represent maybe 1-5% of the movie going public, most people are NOT this much into movies) don't go to see a film because of a trailer, althought there are some rare exceptions.

[Tuukka]

I liked the teaser. It makes the film look like a lot of fun. I appreciated the more serious and dark mood when compared to Phantom Menace. I was a bit surprised on how obviously CGI many of the effect were. I was kind of thinking that they would have pretty much photorealistic effects, but the ocean was a lot worse than the SFX in Perfect Storm, Yoda didn't look real at all and the spaceship over the desert was pretty cartoony. And this was a med-res trailer, the flaws are a lot more visible on the big screen. Mind you, the effects were top quality, but not on the same league as for example Pearl Harbour.

[cutman]

Tuukka,
I notice that you compare the special effects from nearly every new movie to Pearl Harbor, and I wonder why. Pearl Harbor's special effects are known to be pretty flawed, and I don't think they are considered the best ever.

Now, on to the teaster. I thought it was visually cool, but that's about it. I don't feel excited about the film because of the teaser, but I can see that it looks a lot darker than the PM. Like I said though, I feel the same about the film now as I did yesterday.

cutman

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tuukka:
Yoda didn't look real at all.</font>

It's quite problematic viewing trailers in a medium resolution, you just don't get the feel and the clarity of the effect.
I saw the trailer on television, obviously brilliant quality, and thought Yoda looked brilliant, i could see all the different shades of green, and reflections and shadows and light patches on his face, it was very well done indeed.
Sometimes viewing a trailer off the net seems to tell you that if the special effect isn't all that good this small, then what will it look like big? But this isn't always the case. As with this trailer, which i saw in perfect clarity. Yoda was fantastic.

cutman - I haven't read a single review/article/analysis of Pearl Harbor that said the special effects were flawed. Of course, they're not flawless, but, in actual fact, they are amongst the greatest special effects ever created.


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[Tuukka]

You are right about the resolution thing, Ak. It's hard to judge the quality of SFX before seeing it on the big screen.

When I watched Pearl Harbour, I didn't notice any flaws. It felt pretty much seamless to me. The Lost World also had pretty seamless effects. I mention these flicks because they are very SFX heavy. On the other hand when I watched Phantom Menace the SFX seemed often obviously artificial, and this is also the case with this teaser. Could you elaborate on what SFX flaws Pearl Harbour had and in which scenes they happened?

[Tuukka]

It's impossible to define which film has the best effects ever. Many movies have 100% realistic effects, but those movies are doing safe things, they are not trying to achieve something new. Also, it's easier to fool the audience in realistic, low-key context, because they assume that the scenes didn't need any SFX in the first place. However, when you show the audience something that they know doesn't exist, it's more difficult to fool them. They are looking for mistakes.

Pearl Harbour managed to fool me even if I knew that many of those things couldn't have been done for real.

[ak]

Ok. I just downloaded the medium res trailer off of the net, to get a better idea of what you saw, compared to my seeing it on television.
A number of interesting things occured.

- Yoda didn't look as good as he was on the television resolution.

- The army of droids making their way onto that massive ship, due to the resolution of the trailer, looked a lot better than the television resolution. It was clearly computer generated seeing it on the t.v.

- Jango Fett also looked better in the medium resolution trailer, as did the general spaceship effects.

- The water scene looked very fake whilst wathcing it on the t.v, but wasn't so bad in the trailer, infact, it looked pretty decent.

So, here i just got a taste of how deceptive resolution can be. It was strange to see how different effects looked, and how each had a different feel whilst comparing the two.

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[APzombie]

i cant streach this enough, let me get this out of the way....... F*CK CGI! wo that felt good.

wow, thats neat. But it NEVER looks absolutly real, and it bugs the shit out of me. Star Wars episode 1 was huge because of cgi, now, that it evolved 10 times better, most people care less about it. the whole damn movie was made behind a blue screen. i cant stand Jar Jar, not just because he is annoying, but its obvious that Lucus just put him in there for people to gaze at. He was just a shinny penny to add to charity. Its only getting worse, in the teaser yoda is just sitting there... can somebody say puppet?!?! USE ONE! it takes out all the glitter and accualy puts in a story and a charactor! A strong hold in star wars is that the movies still look fantastic and real in 10 or 20 years, the shit they pulled off in episode 1 can be replaced and made to look 1000 times beter in just 5 years. The only thing im looking forward to is boba fett and his crew. THE ONLY THING I HEAR IN PEOPLES HOLE ABOUT THIS ABOUT THE LOOK OF IT. NEVER DO YOU HEAR ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.

though, since i am a star wars fan, i am exited and ill def. check it out

[Tuukka]

Even if these effects are not updated to the final film, it doesn't trouble me. They are easily good enough to carry the narrative and some SFX shots were very cool. What worries me is the script and the direction. I wasn't particularly impressed by either in Phantom Menace. But the buzz is good for this film... I believe it's going to be lot's of fun.

[ak]

I think this point was mentioned somewhere before, but i believe the reason Yoda is CGI in that shot, and most probably througout the whole film is due to his fight sequences at the end of the film with Count Dooku.
CGI has a different style, a different look to puppetry, and if Yoda were a puppet and then all of a sudden CGI, you'd notice this normally non-expressive lump of latex turn into a stupendous acrobat. It would be silly.

Proof of this is at the end of Episode I where you see the only CGI shot of Yoda in the entire film. It's where he is walking, talking to Obi Wan. It looked out of place to me, it looked CGI, because there was no gradual introduction to it.
Hopefully in Episode II, he'll look so realistic and will have more screen time that we won't give a second glance.

P.S - I also thought that second sequence of Yoda in the Episode II trailer was very good - Did you see his hair. Very well done indeed.



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[ak]

P.P.S - Tuukka, i remember watching an interview with Ewan McGregor, who said that the script was a lot better than Episode I, which does indeed sound encouraging, cause Ewan frequently confesses that he didn't like Episode I much.

[ak]

http://homepage.mac.com/harryhausen/.Pictures/swe2-1.jpg

Need i say more? Perhaps his clothing looks like a running suit, as if he's about to go for a good old jog, but it's still extremelty well rendered clothing.

If you go to AICN, Harry has posted a lot of AMAZINGLY clear scans from the trailer, and in one you do actually see Jar Jar!



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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

CGI does not equal a good movie. And besides that, the CGI was not even that good. When I saw some of the pictures of the trailer I was really excited, but than I saw the trailer, and was left feeling unimpressed. I thought it looked decent, but nowhere near "fucking awesome".

[cutman]

Tuukka and AK,
I feel bad because I cannot remember where I heard about Pearl Harbor's special effects....but I do know that it was a TV program.
The program said that the special effects like the explosions, etc were outstanding, but if you look carefully at all of the Jap planes flying around, it isn't hard to tell that they are fake. First of all, they filmed just one plane, then copied it, and copied it, and copied it, and then put it all over the screen.
In short, the only effects that were lacking involved the Jap planes. That's not to say that the other effects weren't amazing, they just weren't perfect. Personally, I think the special effects were the only thing that PH had going for it. :-)

cutman

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cutman:
Personally, I think the special effects were the only thing that Pearl Harbor had going for it.</font>

I quite agree.

[Horror whore]

I truly think the CGI looked better than LOTR's did in it's trailers....(Everything but that water sequence)..

[The Heart Collector]

I would be excited if it wasn't so damn short.

I'll just have to wait till Friday.

[Ender]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tuukka:
Simple: Monsters Inc made 60 millions this weekend because Pixar movies are hugely popular and liked by just about everyone.

Honestly, do you REALLY think that Monsters could have had even in theory more than a 1-5% boost to it's B.O because of the Star Wars trailer? Are you aware of the fact that 95-99% of the movie going public never goes to see a film because there is a certain trailer attached to it? Even hardcore movie geeks like the ones here in Joblo (who represent maybe 1-5% of the movie going public, most people are NOT this much into movies) don't go to see a film because of a trailer, althought there are some rare exceptions.</font>

Come on Tuuka, you can't tell me it doesn't have some influence on the opening draw. Does anyone else remember the opening numbers on MEET JOE BLACK? Remember what it's draw was the next weekend?

Now, I'm not saying that MONSTERS INC isn't a good movie, and I'm sure it would have made an ass-load of cash even without the trailer, but sixty million? That's one of the five biggest openings of all time! The MONSTER's ad campaign wasn't that good, in fact, few if any ad campaigns are that good!

[Tuukka]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ender:
Come on Tuuka, you can't tell me it doesn't have some influence on the opening draw. Does anyone else remember the opening numbers on MEET JOE BLACK? Remember what it's draw was the next weekend?

Now, I'm not saying that MONSTERS INC isn't a good movie, and I'm sure it would have made an ass-load of cash even without the trailer, but sixty million? That's one of the five biggest openings of all time! The MONSTER's ad campaign wasn't that good, in fact, few if any ad campaigns are that good! </font>

RE: I admit that I don't know how it is in USA. It might be that your movie culture is very different from Finland. I do know that Star Wars has a lot bigger meaning in american culture. In here it is "just a movie". But I do think that Monsters would have opened more than 50 million anyway. Maybe it did get an extra 10 million because of the teaser.

[Tuukka]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Horror whore:
I truly think the CGI looked better than LOTR's did in it's trailers....(Everything but that water sequence)..</font>

RE: I actually think they look pretty much the same... I thought that Episode 2 would look slightly better, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

[Scorchlord]

I'll be honest, I wasn't overly impressed with the trailer. I liked how it started out with the breathing, but it just rang hollow with me. The CGI, as of now, looks decidely fake - Watto looks like a ridiculous cartoon character. Maybe I was expecting a little better, but I didn't think this was really all that special.

[APzombie]

yeah what was up with watto? he looked worse than episode 1. I hope they touch up on that! Ok, i'll be honest, the new star wars trilogy is NOTHING special, infact, episode 1 was not at all impressive. Lucus would be a stick in the mud without the special effects team. I lost all memory of the classic jedi vs. dark side vibe replaced by an annoying little boy who cant act, a annoying gungon who is just a shinny penny with no real purpuse, and a lot of glitter left and right.

[Eelco]

I can only say: CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS MOVIE TO COME OUT!!!!!!