General Star Wars question

[noisy_brut]

Hi All,

I'm new to the board, so if this has been asked/discussed before, please accept my apologies in advance.

Last weekend I sat and watched "The Empire Strikes Back" for the first time since "Phantom Menace" came out. I was really surprised at how my perception of everything that happened on Dagobah was a little different than previous viewings. The biggest thing that stuck out in my head are the two famous lines: "That boy is our last hope", "No, There is another."

Which leads to my question: Does Obi Wan know about Leia and Luke being siblings beforehand, or is he informed of it by Yoda at that point?

I always had it in my imagination that Obi Wan went and gave Leia to her foster parents, and snuck Luke away, but now it seems that it may be that the Jedi Council or other Jedi knights are with Amidala when she gives birth and simply gives Luke over to Obi Wan and tells him to watch over him, giving him no knowledge of the other twin.

Also, does anyone else see things in the original trilogy in a different light since the new movie/traliers good or bad?

[Scorchlord]

I was under the impression that Obi-wan knew of the twins birth and helped to spirit them both away, in hiding. I think he even says so, in one of the original trilogy.

But with the way that Lucas is doing things now, he'll make up an entirely new plot line and the new trilogy will have so many continuity errors compared to the original, that it will be comical. heck, there were tons of continuity errors in Episode I.

[edonline]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scorchlord:
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But with the way that Lucas is doing things now, he'll make up an entirely new plot line and the new trilogy will have so many continuity errors compared to the original, that it will be comical. heck, there were tons of continuity errors in Episode I.</font>

What were some of the continuity errors in Ep 1, and what others do you think might pop up in the later films?

(BTW, do continuity errors count as spoilers?)

[Scorchlord]

Well, I don't think the errors in Ep. 1 are spoilers per se. For example, in the original trilogy, Obi-Wan compares Luke to himself when talking to Yoda (this was in ESB, when LUke just found out Yoda was the Jedi Master). Yet, lo and behold, he wasn't trained by Yoda in Episode - he was Qui-Gon's Padawan learner. That is the major one that I can think of off the top of my head. There were some others, but I'd have to rewatch Episode I to find them, and that's not a prospect I'm keen on.

[James Logan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scorchlord:
Well, I don't think the errors in Ep. 1 are spoilers per se. For example, in the original trilogy, Obi-Wan compares Luke to himself when talking to Yoda (this was in ESB, when LUke just found out Yoda was the Jedi Master). Yet, lo and behold, he wasn't trained by Yoda in Episode - he was Qui-Gon's Padawan learner. That is the major one that I can think of off the top of my head. There were some others, but I'd have to rewatch Episode I to find them, and that's not a prospect I'm keen on.</font>

Well, that's got a very simple explanation. In one of the most recent STAR WARS books surrounding the EPISODE ONE movie, it explains that every future Padawan is first trained by Yoda or another Jedi of the council, before being named as the Padawan learner of a Jedi Master/Knight during his teens. So Obi-Wan was trained by Yoda first, then he was taken as a Padawan learner by Qui-Gon to finish his training.
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[James Logan]

Oh yeah, and to answer the first question, I think Obi-Wan knew all along and helped get Luke and Leia away from Vader. After all, he's probably the last guy to have seen Anakin before he became a Sith...he IS the one who "put" him in that black armor, after all.

[ak]

I really believe that Emperor Palpatine is Anakin's father. He somehow manipulated the force of evil to create him in a young slave (Shmi Skywalker). There are less complications with slaves, and their abilities to use technology are useful to Jedi/Sith, for them to build their own Lightsabres, so Anakin would already have this built in.
Also, a slave's life is a frustrating one, so Anakin would have a premature anger/frustration building in him throughout his life - Just what the soon-to-be Emperor needed.

The fact that the Jedi discovered him may be the will of the Force and something that Palpatine didn't foresee, but worked to his advantage.

[noisy_brut]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
I really believe that Emperor Palpatine is Anakin's father. He somehow manipulated the force of evil to create him in a young slave (Shmi Skywalker). There are less complications with slaves, and their abilities to use technology are useful to Jedi/Sith, for them to build their own Lightsabres, so Anakin would already have this built in.
Also, a slave's life is a frustrating one, so Anakin would have a premature anger/frustration building in him throughout his life - Just what the soon-to-be Emperor needed.

The fact that the Jedi discovered him may be the will of the Force and something that Palpatine didn't foresee, but worked to his advantage. </font>

If that's true I'm glad we didn't hear "Luke I am your Grandfather" in ROTJ.

I still got a sense that Yoda knows more than Obi Wan in the ESB scene. But you're probably right - he was aware.

As for the errors popping up in the new trilogy - the only thing that has really bothered me in the new one is the "Jedi never attack first" rule. Luke attacked first twice in Empire, but that was showing his immaturity. The Phantom did it seem more like the Qui Gon and Obi Wan were attacking more than using it for defense?

[LordKaruku]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by James Logan:
Well, that's got a very simple explanation. In one of the most recent STAR WARS books surrounding the EPISODE ONE movie, it explains that every future Padawan is first trained by Yoda or another Jedi of the council, before being named as the Padawan learner of a Jedi Master/Knight during his teens. So Obi-Wan was trained by Yoda first, then he was taken as a Padawan learner by Qui-Gon to finish his training.
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So how does this jive with Obi-Wan saying that he takes Anakin as his Padawan at the end of Phantom Menace? The scene gives the very strong impression that Obi is going to start training Anakin immediately, and Yoda certainly doesn't seem as if he's going to be involved.

I tend to be fairly critical of after-the-fact rationalizations, though. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[JoBlo]

A good conversation but not really about an UPCOMING MOVIE (which is what this forum is about). I'll move it to GENERAL MOVIE TALK --&gt;