Which will be the biggest hit : Lord of the Rings or Attack of the Clones ?

[Spidey]

I'm guessing Attack of the Clones,because I think there are more star wars fans outthere then LOTR fans.
Anyway,I'm going to see both of them and I hope they will both be huge successes!

[SteveSzyk]

Attack of the Clones should make more. Any Star Wars flick is guaranteed to be a huge success. Lord of the Rings should also do pretty good. I'm also going to see both.

[Scorchlord]

Me too. AOTC will probably make more, but if the Fellowship of the Ring is a great movie, look for the Two Towers to make huge amounts of jack.

[p-diddy]

It should be Star Wars because it has such a huge following. Also they would make more money because the name star wars has been around for so many years. People who are not star wars fans would go see it because it is getting all this hype. As for lotr, it has been around for a while but not until recently has it created a hype of it's own.
I too will be seeing both and I hope everyone else does the same.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Believeing that Attack of the Clones will make more koney than Lord of the Rings is a self-delusion of a Star Wars fan. You have to understand that after The Phantom Menace many fans and non-fans were jaded and will probably not go and see this movie. And as for hype; um,....this film has none. Well, not none, but nowhere near what Lord of the Rings had,.....2 years ago. Although Attack of the Clones might make more domestically it will stand no chance of making more over-seas. Look at the type of media that comes out of Europe and Asia. They love a good fantasy and with Lord of the Rings they are getting just that. You also have to understand that there are far more Lord of the Rings fans than there are Star Wars fans, and there will be even more after the release of Harry Potter. While Attack of the Clones will undoubtabley make alot of money it will not make as much as Lord of the Rings. Deny it all you want, but come November 19th you will see.

[Spidey]

I have to disagree with you on that one dumb fokker (cool name by the way http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif )
I'm from Belgium and all the people I know have heard of Star Wars but practically nobody has heard of LOTR.I know,it's sad so sad.
Lots of people grew up with the whole star wars sage and they are going to see it wether it will be good or bad.Only because it's Star Wars !
I hope both movies will kick ass and I really hope one of them will beat Titanic (but that's very unlikely to happen).

[ANTBond007]

Both of them are going to be massive films (quite possibly grossing north of $400 million), but I believe Attack of the Clones will come out on top, simply for the fact that it is Star Wars. Fokker, say what you will, but most people still liked The Phantom Menace. Don't believe me? Check its rating on IMDb with over 30,000 votes. A 7.1/10 average is not very shabby.

Attack of the Clones will make more for a few reasons. One, its fanbase. Star Wars fans are rabid. Many of them hated Return of the Jedi, but they showed up for The Phantom Menace. Do you really think they'll skip Attack of the Clones if they were disappointed with Episode I? Two, children. Many kids loved Phantom Menace. They're going to go, and they're going to drag their parents. Three, length. Lord of the Rings is going to run nearly three hours, while Episode II will end up around two hours, ten minutes. More sold out showings in a day = more money.

In the end, my prediction for box office gross:

Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones $535 million
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring $445 million

[Tuukka]

Unfortunately it's true that most people DID like Phantom Menace. And we have to remember that IMDB people are generally more "film-literate" than most people, which means that they are more into "artsy" fare and feel stronger dislike for empty-headed popcorn. So Phantom Menace would probably get a better average if it was asked in exit polls... In fact I recall that it got very good response in exit polls.

Is still hated the film, thought. It's sad that it made so much money...

[Homer J]

I don't care how much money they make, the only important aspect is that they are both good films, whether they make $100 million or $1 billion. We've had too many films earning unjustified amounts of money.

[ak]

Steven Spielberg once said (Not verbatim):

"I'm afraid i'll be remembered for how much money my films made rather than the films themselves".

It's sad that people think so much about how much money a film will make, when we should be looking at it as an artform.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Sure, people will go and see AotC, but there will be no repeat buisness. Length doesnt matter either. And in terms of quality Lord of the Rings wins, hands down. How do I know this?? Because I have read the books. Simplae as that. I know there are a few changes, but they are pretty much the same. And about the Belgium guy. Listen, people you know havent heard of Lord of the Rings. Not everyone. And I didnt specifically mean Belgium, I meant more like Westers Europe; Italy, France, England, places like that. Im telling you; you all will see. AotC will not have the mass appeal (it wont appeal to anyone who isnt a fan already and who isnt a kid) that Lord of the Rings will. LotR has been around almost 60 years, has sold 50 million copies in the U.S. since 1973, and the main site has been hit 350 million times, each trailer has set a new record, and the it will appeal to everyone. Kids will want to see it because it is similar to Harry Potter, adults will want to see one of their favorite books come to mlife, same as old people, and teens will go see it cause it looks cool. You all are entitled to your own opinion, but in the end you will be wrong. Of this I am sure.

[Scorchlord]

Belgium is in Western Europe. Just north of France proper.

[Muha]

The movies are gonna kick some Star Wars butt.

Fellowship --- 575 million; 1.75 world wide

Attack ----- 435; 1.2 world wide

[CriticalBill6966]

I hope they both succed but Clones will make more money because it's Star Wars.

[Horror whore]

There is no way in hell LOTR is going to make any more than 335 Million.. And Attack Of The Clones will not make over 500 Million.

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Horror whore:
There is no way in hell LOTR is going to make any more than 335 Million.. And Attack Of The Clones will not make over 500 Million.</font>

Yet again, people don't know, what is the point in saying this?

[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
Yet again, people don't know, what is the point in saying this? </font>


What is the point of asking what the point of my point was...There ain't know way that LOTR will become the biggest movie ever...Attack Of The Clones has a better chance, but it probably WON'T.

[Scorchlord]

If anything, the sequels for the Fellowship of the Ring should do awesome (this is predicated on the first one being good, of course. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif)

The Two Towers has a huge battle in it at Helm's Deep, which I am really looking forward to. Not to mention the Ents and their march on Orthanc. Can't wait to see how that's handled.

The Return of the King is going to have enormous battles. The battles of Minas Tirith and Pelennor Fields and the ones on the plains before the Morannon....oh yeah.

If the FOTR is a grand film and a blockbuster, then the others will follow suit, probably by making more cash.

[Jimmy Da Gent]

Attack of the Clones!

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

335 million?? I dont think so?? What is your reasoning behind Attack of the Clones making more?? Because its Star Wars?? Because it has a large fan-base?? Well if that is your reasoning than you are already wrong because Lord of the Rings has a much, much, larger fan-base, and it appeals to a much larger demographic of people. Also the fact that Lord of the Rings is a much, much, much, much, much, better story than anything Star Wars could ever be (to prove this just read the books, if you already havent). This is just the truth and nothing but. According to a recent poll at Fandango.com on which film moviegoers were most anticipating this Fall and Winter, Lord of the Rings won with over 50%. Do you realize how incredible that is considering how many good movies are coming out at that time. Harry Potter snagged 38%, and Monsters Inc. got 11%, making those three films 1st 2nd and 3rd. Interesting, they are all fantasy films.

[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
IFandango.com on which film moviegoers were most anticipating this Fall and Winter, Lord of the Rings won with over 50%. Do you realize how incredible that is considering how many good movies are coming out at that time. Harry Potter snagged 38%, and Monsters Inc. got 11%, making those three films 1st 2nd and 3rd. Interesting, they are all fantasy films. </font>


Oh I forgot, Attack Of The Clones isn't fantasy...


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[ak]

Star Wars is more science fiction than fantasy, even though it is heavily influenced by fantasy - Joseph Campbell, Wizard of Oz and the like, there's more generic science fiction up on screen.


Given the arguments on both sides, it is still totally pointless to state how much money either will make.
The Phantom Menace had (before LOTR) the most downloaded trailer in history, but was not as big as Titanic. So the fact that LOTR has now the biggest trailer download could very well mean it will make a lot of money, but it could still be on par with Episode II (going by Episode I's downloads).

Even though i'm more inclined to The Lord of the Rings trilogy, i think Star Wars may have the edge. But, we will not know until the time.




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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Yes, but people know the Lord of the Rings will be a quality movie. If you have read the book than you know the movie, and from what people have seen they are more than pleasantly surprised by what they saw-they are ecstatic. With Attack of the Clones they dont know what to expect. Another Phanton Menace is probably on most peoples minds. And ak I dont mean to nitpick, but why is it that you think Star Wars has the edge?? Simply because it is Star Wars?? And Horrow Whore, what was the point of your post?? I was just simply stating that the top 3 movies people are anticipating are all fantasy films and that this will help the box-office for all of them. And another thing, the Phantom Menace trailer was not even close to being downloaded as many times. In fact, the trailer for LotR`s was downloaded more than all the downloads for the Phantom Menace trailer in a week. And that was only the first teaser. The other two trailers were downloaded more than that. People know they are going to get a quality movie with Lord of the Rings, they dont know that with Star Wars, and im sure alot of people who could care less about Star Wars after the Phantom Menace are not going to check and see if it is good, kids will go and their parents but they wont get repeat buisness. Damn,......this thread is for whiners,.............oh well. and im spent

[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
And Horrow Whore, what was the point of your post?? </font>


Nevermind............

[ak]

Dumb-Fokker-**, it is sometimes good to see both sides of an argument you know.
Just because LOTR was a great work of literature, it doesn't mean the films will follow suit automatically. People don't know it will be a quality film, it may very well look like one, but generally people won't care until the release and the word gets around.
Look, i am already a huge fan of the LOTR films, i have expressed my enthusiasm for the films on this board and in real life time and time again, but i have now learned to step my hype down a level and not wish for what you are wishing.

At least try and see the argument from both sides, before going all out and saying that LOTR is superior.
I assure you, it is a good thing to be open minded about cinema, cause you never know what's going to happen.

LOTR looks like an unforgetable piece of film, with extreme talent working on it, but isn't it unfair to even bother comparing it to Episode II when we have hardly seen anything from that production yet.

P.S - I didn't state any figures of the downloads of either trailers, i just stated the fact that Episode I had the biggest download before the LOTR trailer.

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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I know you didnt, I was just trying to prove my point that I think Lord of the Rings will be a bigger success. Not that it matters, cause really it doesnt. Wether it makes alot of money or not it will still be a great film, much like the original Star Wars films (except better). I do see both sides. I love Star Wars, but it does not compare to Lord of the Rings. Attack of the Clones will make alot of money, but it will not make as much as Lord of the Rings.

[Dr Emmet Brown]

Dumb Fokker, you really are living up to you're name. If you think for a second that LOTR is going to take more at the box office than CLONES then you are going to be sorely dissapointed my friend. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THE FORCE!!

[ilovemovies]

It's tough to say which will make more money and frankly, it is pointless too. They will both be massive hits. Although, how massive I'm not sure. Afterall, there five other films coming out when LOTR comes out. Not to mention it will have to contend with Ali, Ocean's Eleven and Vanilla Sky which are likely to still go strong. So, that could give Star Wars the edge because the only serious competition (atleast until June) is Spider Man. And that will have been out for three weeks already so it won't really damage Star Wars much. Infact, looking at June's schedule, Star Wars could stay #1 until Minority Report comes out on June 28. Because I really don't see Scooby Doo, The Tuxedo or Deeds beating it. So, because of that, I think Star Wars has the upperhand.

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[claire]

AOTC will be the biggest hit... No doubt on that!
BUT if LOTR: the fellowship of the ring is a great movie, maybe LOTR: the 2 towers will be the same hit as Episode III will surely be
We'll see!!!!

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Emmet if you are trying to imply that I am stupid, I would recommend that you stop, because that is a personal insult and those are not permitted on these boards. You Star Wars people just need to accept the fact that Star Wars is no longer what it was before the Phantom Menace. It no longer has as large a fan-base, and most people who were not really fans, but didnt care one way or another were soured by Phantom Menace. And if you think that Scooby-Doo wont have an impact on Star Wars your wrong. Look at the cast (I know, its horrible). Kids and girl teens are going to flock to that movie. I also think Spider-Man will be either moved back a week or until after Attack of the Clones because of the alterations that have to be made to the movie. Lord of the Rings does have more movies coming out around it, but most of them are planning to move back, and the ones that arent come out 2 weeks before the film and will have died out in the box-office already. Ali and Ocean 11 will not have staying power. Harry Potter and Monsters Inc. will most likely still be a little prominent in the box-office and this will only help Lord of the Rings because all the little kids who liked those films, all the teens who want to go see a movie that looks cool, all the adults and old-people who have read the books - they will all go see it. And more than once. Argue all you want; you all have yet to come up with a good point to why AotC`s will do better in the box-office. I have no doubt that LotR will be a better film, and wether it does good or it does horrible I am still going to love this movie. So when you guys can give me a valid reason as to why Star Waars will do better (and no, the "Force" does not count) than I will consider your opinion. But until than I stand by my own opinion.

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[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
You Star Wars people just need to accept the fact that Star Wars is no longer what it was before the Phantom Menace. It no longer has as large a fan-base, and most people who were not really fans, but didnt care one way or another were soured by Phantom Menace. </font>

How do you know Star Wars is not the same as it was? Have you had an advance screening of AOTC? And there are millions of Star Wars fans, and what is on their minds is another Empire Strikes Back... I stand by my opinion that LOTR won't make as much money as AOTC.

[ak]

Star Wars is a not a flawless trilogy, most obviously, but The Phantom Menace was just the one off film moment Lucas had (hopefully). There are two more dramatic, deep story episodes to come, do not say Star Wars is not what it was before, wait until Episode III to say that, if that is the case.


Dumb-Fokker-** it would be nice if you sat on the fence here and listened to both sides of the argument, your ideas of Star Wars are quite ignorant.
Listen, i am a great fan of both stories, but i am reserving judgement at the moment, i'm just asking you do to the same in order to have at least a decent conversation/"argument".

If The Lord of the Rings is massive, then that is absolutely great, if Star Wars Episode II is massive, then that is absolutely great too, they are both, afterall, making people more aware of the ever increasing mastery of the film industry.




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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I dont need to see Episode 2 to know that Star Wars is not the same as it was. After TPM my opinion of Star Wars was forever altered. And yes, I too can see both sides of the argument. I love Star Wars; I just dont like the Phantom Menace and neither did alot of people, and that is going to hurt AotC`s big-time. Now, Horror, you stand by your decision, but you cant give me a single reason why. Just give me a valid reason so that there can actually be an argument.

[FlickJunkie]

Obviously, "Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones"...it has a bigger following then "Lord of the Rings" although I have no doubt that "LOTR" will be a big hit as well. Just not as big as "AOTC" http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[CriticalBill6966]

All I want is for nobody to camp in front of the fucking theater....that shit pissed me off. It ran in the newspapper for 3 days stright.

It's a fucking movie not a first come first serve gangbang session of pornostar Tera Patrick.

[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Now, Horror, you stand by your decision, but you cant give me a single reason why. Just give me a valid reason so that there can actually be an argument.</font>

WHY!?!?!? Here's why: IT'S FUCKING STAR WARS!!!!

And I don't believe there are as many LOTR fans as there are Star Wars fans. Half of the people on this planet won't know what LOTR is until the damn movie comes out! And I GUARANTEE that TONS more people have heard of Star Wars....I like LOTR by the way.... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[rgse]

Of course both films will be huge, but Star Wars has many more fans than LOTR. For the dude saying that LOTR will be a quality movie just because the books are good, what kind of proof is that? Haven't you ever read a good, even great, book only to have the movie adaptation stink? I'm confident both will be good movies, but saying that it WILL be a good movie because the book is good is pure nonsense.

[ak]

I'd actually say that The Phantom Menace will hardly affect Attack of the Clones at all, infact, it may make people more excited.
If you look at Episode I as a disappointment, it may make many, many people more hungry for the Star Wars adventure, a better Star Wars adventure, unlike any Star Wars adventure (hopefully).

Episode II and III have a lot more going for them - they are going to be darker, (most obviously), more dynamic (it simply has to be with the story progression) and has less un-intersting "actors" such as Jake Lloyd and Jar Jar (Who is a lot older now, and is in it briefly).

Episode I served as an introduction to the new trilogy, infact, the entire series, and had to expel a lot of ground due to this. Perhaps Episode I could have been handled a lot better than it was, then again, perhaps i could have been born in the 18th century.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

It may be puro nonsens with some other book, but not with Lord of the Rings. And if you guys can keep thinking that Star Wars has more fans than Lord of the Rings, but you are wrong. You are obviously ignorant to the fact that it is thought of as the "greatest book of all time", "greatest book of the century", and that J.R.R. Tolkein is thought of as the "greates author of all time". Just go look at any box-office repot film site and find there opinions on how big the filmw ill be. That should shut you up. And just because a film is Star Wars doesnt mean instant success, as much as you want it too. Now I know Lord of the Rings doesnt either (at least not in the U.S) but the chances of Lord of the Rings being a better movie if it is even half as good as the books is a little more than certain. Now Horrow, go ahead and give me a valid reason.

[ak]

Dumb-Fokker-** You're missing the point entirely.
Who gives a damn which film is bigger? I don't care at all, all i care is that both films are quality pieces of art.

Who really knows what way it will go? No one for sure. It is a very un-predictable business.

This is quite the pointless debate, real film fans should only care for the art of it, not petty arguments of how big a film will be, that, for me, is totally off the point.

[Horror whore]

Horrow????

Star Wars has a big fan base. How do you know LOTR has a bigger one? I mean just because you really liked the book doesn't mean everyone else did... This is becoming a pointless agruement where you won't even try to consider reasoning both sides of the arguement. I'm gonna stop posting here because it's just getting dumb and annoying...YOU "KNOW" WHAT YOU 'KNOW' I guess and I'm not going to argue about it anymore...I guess only time will tell.....

Goodbye

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Th topic of this thread is which will be the bigger hit; LotR or Star Wars. I too could care less whuch one makes more money, but I am sure in the fact that it will be LotR`s. And Horrow, I cant be sure that LotR`s has a larger fan-base, but it does. Im not 100%, but it does. It is a shame your done posting here though. I quite liked the argument that "Its Star Wars so of course it will make more". I mean, how can I compete with that?? ak I do agree with you though. I am not worried at all about how much it makes, but about how good it is (and I am expecting it to be great). But due to the nature of this thread I thought I would argue my point on why it will make more money. Oh well,....

[cutman]

Why does everyone think that just because AotC is Star Wars, it will make a ton of money. $500 million? Are you kidding me? How much did The Phantom Menace make? If I remember correctly, it made slightly more than $200 million.

I consider myself a movie fan, and I like the Star Wars trilogy. But I didn't like the Phantom Menace at all. Sure, I saw it on opening weekend, but that was it. I'm not going to buy the DVD, and I probably won't watch it again unless it comes on TV.

The Fellowhip of the Ring will be huge, and I personally think it will make more than AotC, but I don't think it will make the most amount of money ever. The Two Towers, on the other hand... Also, I'm pretty sure that I will see the Fellowship multiple times, and I'm positve that I will buy the DVD sets. The story alone is that good.

On a related note, who honestly thinks that FotR's running time will hurt its profits? That is the worst argument I have ever heard. Titanic was over three hours! Titanice made over $600 million!

That's all for now.

PS Star Wars fans should be thanking Tolkien and the LotR...everyone knows that Lucas got a lot of inspiration for Star Wars from LotR.

[Scorchlord]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Horror whore:


I mean just because you really liked the book doesn't mean everyone else did... </font>

40 million people (at least) cannot be wrong.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Not to be a prick or anything, but it is 55 million since 1973, and not counting outside of the U.S. Thats alot of people. Not to mention the people who have borrowed it from friends and libraries. Hell of alot of poeple if you ask me.

[ban all music]

Time for me to make my contribution...

The Phantom Menace made over $400 million worldwide, and is the 2nd highest grossing movie of all-time, second to Titanic. That's an awful lot of money for such a hated movie...but you see, it's NOT hated. A hated movie wouldn't have a rating of 7.1 on the IMDB. Over 37,000 people voted...that says a lot.

The Lord of the Rings HAS sold millions upon millions of copies [it may be the second best-selling book of all-time, although I'm not sure], and has been translated in over 13 (that's a guesstimate) different languages. But The Lord of the Rings is going to be three different movies...so as a whole, then yes they probably will make more money than AOTC. I don't think they'll make as much money seperately though...especially The Fellowship of the Rings. It's going to be 2 hours and a half, and the book doesn't have nearly as much action as The Two Towers or The Return of the King, so I doubt it will catch the attention of the average reality-tv loving American for 2 and a half hours. Catching other countries' attention is a different story...

If The Fellowship of the Rings DOES somehow become a major success and attracts large-flocks-of-annoying-people-in-the-theater that-you're-going-to-complain-about, then YAY because I want my Hobbit prequel.

[Tuukka]

Ok, let's get some numbers straight. Phantom Menace made over 400 million in USA and around one billion worldwide, being the second highgest grossing movie of all time. It should be noted that inflation is not included, and the film had a lot less admissions than for example Star Wars: A New Hope.

LOTR had sold well over 50 million copies in the early 90's and now the number is usually estimated to be around 70 million. The three parts of the trilogy are not counted separately, but as one book. The actual number of readers is of course far greater because many people prefer to borrow books from their friends or from library. I have read LOTR three times and I always just borrowed it from library.

BTW, some people claim that Harry Potter is more popular than LOTR, since Potter has sold more than 100 million copies. But Potter has five volumes and the most popular of them sold around 30 million. It's unlikely that any episode of HP will ever reach the numbers of LOTR, because LOTR has sold close to one million copies every year and is going to get a major boost after christmas... Actually if I remember correctly, annual sales of LOTR have boosted 400% during the last year.

Also, Hobbit can be considered as a prequel to LOTR and it has sold around 35-40 million.

Which is bigger, Star Wars or LOTR? That's actually a lot harder question than you might think. I'm totally sure that Star Wars is a more recognized name among people, but this doesn't mean there is a greater number of people wanting to see the film. Everyone knows Star Wars, but many, many people just don't care for it. LOTR on the other hand tends to to raise a lot of love from people. I'm 100% sure that a far greater percentage of people who have read LOTR consider it as their favourite book of all time, than a percentage of people who have seen a Star Wars episode consider it their favourite movie of all time.

For many Star Wars is entertaining popcorn, while LOTR is a life-changing experience. Of course it doesn't necessarily mean that they want to see the films as well, but I don't think you find many LOTR fans who haven't dreamed of seeing a film version of the book.

Anyway, at the moment I do think that AOTC will make more money than FOTR. TTT and ROTK will likely do bigger business than FOTR.

[Tuukka]

Ban, actually the film will probably have quite a lot of action in it:

1. An escape from the Nazgul in the Shire (we see a glimpse of this in the latest trailer)
2. A flashback to a magical battle between Gandalf and Saruman at Orthanc.
3. Lurtz and other newborn Uruk-Hai put up a quick, violent rebellion at Orthanc.
4. The fight against the Nazgul at Weathertop
5. The chase with Arwen and Nazgul climaxing with the flooding of the fjord.
6. A flashback to the Last Alliance and the battle against Sauron.
7. An avalanche at Galadras
8. The battle against the Watcher
9. A very long action sequence with Cave Troll, thousands of orcs and Balrog, followed by a chase in Lothlorien.
10. The final battle at Amon Sul, which is a lot bigger than it was in the book. Fellowship will battle against hundreds of Uruk-Hai.

...And these will be in the film for sure, there might be some additional action scenes as well. I somehow recall that there is going to be a wolf attack in the film, but i might be mistaken. Also, PJ has pumped up the action quite a lot compared to the book. I think that the film will be quite entertaining in a pure popcorn level. I just hope that PJ has ambition to achieve something more than just high-standard popcorn...


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[Scorchlord]

The Last Alliance should be massive. I mean, it's like an army of 300,000 Orcs vs. the same amount of Humans and elves (didn't read the Silmarillion or the Lost Tales, so I don't really know the numbers - just know it was huge.)

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

For those of us who have read the book it is a life-chaning expieriance, but for the average movie-goer it will be incredibley entertaining popcorn movie. People who have seen the movie and read the book will love it and will encourage all of there friends to go see it with them again several times, and than his friends will love it - pure bliss. And if you dont think that this will hold the attention of the audience for 2 and a half hours, than you are wrong. There are alot of movies that are long that have made alot of money. And what crack were you guys smoking when you said The Phantom Menace is the 2nd highest-grossing movie of all time?? Get your facts straight, pal. According to Entertainment Weekly it is 4th, behind Jurassic Park and Home Alone. Dont believe me?? Go and check. Anyways, polls show that people actually prefer longer movies than shorter ones. Anyways, some good points made for once, thanks to some new intervention.

[Jimkrim]

neither

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

lol, one of them has to be. Unless they make the same amount. Either way I think they will be pretty close in their final standings, but Lord of the Rings will end up on top.

[ak]

Dumb-Fokker-** You're either the only person to have seen the final Fellowship of the Ring, or the most confident fan i have heard.
Confidence is totally acceptable, as long as you moderate is, just incase the film isn't as great as you are so hoping.

For the record, i think it will be masterful, but my hype levels have dropped quite a lot.

Additional note: In Empire film magazine's latest "greatest list" poll, they say over 100 people alone voted for FOTR as the greatest film of all time.....make of that what you will.


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[rgse]

Um, dumb-fukker, you should check your facts. Phantom Menace is the #2 highest grossing movie of all time, behind Titanic. You should check your source, or at least look at a variety of sources before you claim something as fact.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Now, now, dont be a hippocrit. Look at all of the Star Wars fasn here doing the same thing, and they dont even have a reference point to judge the films by. So dont tell me I am the only one that has confidence when they are millions of people confident in this film. It will be great. Peter Jackson has made us aware of all the changes he has made, and I am fine with that. I know the changes and I know the story. I have seen the characters, the trailers, the behind-the-scenes footage, and the locationg and several other pictures on the web. I have read accounts of the Cannes footage and from other sources, have read reviews of that footage. If that isnt enough to give you even the slightest hint at how great this film will be than I guess you are the only person it isnt affecting. But I know you think it will be a masterpiece. But you think Attack of the Clones will make more, and you cant give me a single reason other than it being Star Wars. And you are gonna tell me I am - oh nevermind. This is becoming pointless. I have stated my opinion and all anyone who opposed it has done is tell me I am not seeing there side and not give any legitimate reasons for this film being a bigger success other than the fact that it is Star Wars.

[ak]

People are willing to offer reasons, it just seems you are so tied up in LOTR that you don't care to pay attention.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I have read this over again and it seems that I have only gotten 1 reason. Simply because it is Star Wars. Oh, and someone gave a reason that 5 other films are being released around the same time. Well most of them have been moved back. Time Machine, Gangs of New York. A couple of other films have too. And rgs, um, maybe you should check your sources. The Phantom Menace did not do that well over seas.

[ban all music]

Fokker, go here and read the top 3 films:

http://us.imdb.com/Charts/worldtopmovies

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I am aware of what IMDB has posted on that, and I think a couple of other sites have it posted like that too. The Phantom Menace is 4th in the world and 2nd in the U.S. Just look around a little and youll find alot of sites showing this. Oh, and I just went over to TheOneRing and there was a poll over at Cinescape or something like that, and The Two Towers won the vote for most anticipated film for next year. Trailing behind it was Attack of the Clones. Now I know that doesnt really mean anything, but interesting nonetheless.

[ilovemovies]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
I have read this over again and it seems that I have only gotten 1 reason. Simply because it is Star Wars. Oh, and someone gave a reason that 5 other films are being released around the same time. Well most of them have been moved back. Time Machine, Gangs of New York. A couple of other films have too. And rgs, um, maybe you should check your sources. The Phantom Menace did not do that well over seas. </font>
According to upcomingmovies.com they have not moved Gangs of New York yet. There is rumors that they might (since they just moved the romantic comedy Kate and Leopold there) and I for one hope they don't because I am so much looking forward to it because Martin Scorsese is the best! None of the other films have moved either. Infact, the only move I see in December is they moved Ali from Dec. 7 to Christmas day(with so many movies opening in that one week period it will be a very interesting race at the boxoffice). So even if they move Gangs of New York there is still four other films coming out. I do think LOTR will come on top but all the other movies WILL do atleast some damage to their business. I mean Ocean's Eleven has a big name cast and a lot of people are also awaiting that movie. If it is good enough it could have staying power. Vanilla Sky is shrouded with secret and has the Tom Cruise/Penelope Cruz romance, however, I will admit this movie could go either way. Afterall, Crowe's last film, Almost Famous, sadly, was not a boxoffice hit. Also, Tom Cruise, despite being the huge star he is, isn't always gauranteed a hit (i.e. Eyes Wide Shut) not to mention real life celebrity couples can actually heart a film sometimes (Proof of Life). Another film which may or may not be a hit is Gangs of New York, if it is even released that is. Leonardo Decaprio, despite being considered a so-called "heartthrob" isn't always in for a garuanteed hit. His last film, The Beach, was a boxoffice disappointment. Likewise, Scorsese's last film, Bringing Out the Dead, sadly, was also a boxoffice disappointment. And then there is the Majestic. This sounds like another one Jim Carrey's drama's and they haven't fared as well at the boxoffice as his comedies have. Man on the Moon was especailly a disappointment. Still, even if these movies don't strike gold at the boxoffice, there will still be enough people going to see them to hinder LOTR's business. And the week after will really be interesting when Michael Mann's Ali comes out as well as Ron Howard's A Beautiful Mind starring Russell Crowe. And the Shipping News with Kevin Spacey. Even then LOTR will still be #1 but with so many movies out it just won't do as much as would have done at an emptier date. I mean, the only one serious competition facing AOTC is Spider-Man and so far there have been no news to delay that film which means it would have in theatres already for three weeks, so it won't heart AOTC's business at all. Sure, Scooby-doo will make some money. Heck, The Tuxedo and Deeds will even make some money too. But not nearly enough to seriously damage AOTC's business. It just isn't anywhere near as crowded as LOTR's date is. And whether you want to admit that or not, it will likely be the case.

p.s.: on hotticket.com they did a survey on their site where people voted what movie they were anticipated the most in December. They showed the results in last weekend's show and it was a tie between Ocean'e Eleven and Gangs of New York (Mirimax, take this under consideration before you do a stupid thing like move the movie). Ofcoarse, this too doesn't mean anything, but it is kinda interesting too, don't you think.


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[rgse]

Umm, dumb-fukker, you still haven't really checked out the validity of your sources. Worldwide, Phantom is the #2 grossing film of all time. You should be more diligent in confirming your sources.

As for LOTR being a great movie, I fully expect it to be, but you can't really say it's great until you actually watch it. It doesn't matter how good the trailer is, who is acting in it, how rich the storyline is, it still doesn't mean that the movie will be the greatest ever.

As for which movie will gross more, does it really matter? You can make all the predictions you want, but it makes no difference in the end. So what if LOTR becomes the highest grossing ever, or even Clones for that matter. That alone doesn't make it the best movie of all time. Just look at Titanic. It was a decent film, but nowhere near being the greatest ever, yet it is the highest grossing.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

If you dont care and dont want to argue about wither or not LotR`s is going to make more money the AotC`s than why are you here?? That is what this thread is about. And if you must know, Gangs of New York will most likey be moved back. All films that were opening the weekend of or the weekend after the movie have been moved. Well, not all. Just the ones the studios want to make alot of money on. Go to Hollywood.com and it will tell you that these release dats are in question. nd at hotticket.com, that survey. I seemed to have participated in that survey, and I dont remember seeing Lord of the Rings as an option. Oh wait, it wasnt. Maybe you should have mentioned that.

[Horror whore]

I'm back! And after re-thinking this out...Watching TPM and LOTR's trailer a few times I have come to this conclusion. It's too close to call...LOTR was a superb series and sold so many millions of books, I don't know how it could make less than TPM. AOTC could be a bomb even if it was 10 times better than TPM. The Empire Strikes Back did the worst of the series box office wise and that is consider the beast by soooo many people...So as I have said before...IT'S TOO CLOSE TO CALL!!!

[rgse]

Ummm, dumb-fukker, you still haven't seen the error of your ways. Oh well, it's entirely up to you if you want to remain ignorant.

As for giving my opinion on who will make more, I have done exactly that. Whether you are intelligent enough to recognize that, I guess we all know now.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

rgse, what elxactly is it that I havent seen?? I dont see any error in my ways. I think you were just trying to sound like you won. p.s. dont call me ignorant. And Horror (spelled it right that time) I know what you mean, it will be a close call. I never said AotC`s will not make alot less than LotR`s, I just said that LotR`s would make more. Which it will.

[ak]

I haven't had a great deal of concern for the trilogy overall, but, as Tuukka pointed out recently, and something i have always pondered on is (me being a CGI student does make me more interested than the average homosapien) - will a high degree of the effects work actually work?

For example - In the recent trailer which i got to see far more clearly on television last night (it was on BBC's Film 2001), i noticed areas that were particularly CGI looking.
The Cave Troll was superb, but the Mines of Moria scenes looked CGI'd, now, i think these are low-grade effects work just for the trailer.
My concern lies with the blue screen work, something that can't really be worked upon (the matte work really relies on the technology and lighting of the moment when it's filmed, although it can be manipulated to a degree later).

In particular - the scene where Gandalf is running from the Balrog, and you can see the fellowship in the background. It may have been the crap print that was handed out for the trailer, or it could be the actual CGI work itself, who as yet knows (although, the Cannes footage wasn't described to have these problems, so i'm hopeful).

The sheer scale of the trilogy and the amount of effects is mind boggling, how can they achieve the Ents, Gollum, Armies of Orcs, subtle effects. (For those who don't know - the Ents are walking, talking, marching trees that will be incredibly difficult to handle, as is the most important effects character of all time - Gollum - he needs to act, he needs intense emotional interest, effects on the scale that have never, and i mean never, ever been done before, this really is the biggest, most mammoth effects work in the most complex film production ever.

I just have the scary feeling that they'll sacrifice excellence in the "lesser" or less important effects work, which is sometimes the stuff that stands out more, unbelievably.

They have a few weeks to perfect most effects on The Fellowship of the Ring, and a much longer time for further effects work on The Two Towers (which also has a massive effects quota with the Shelob - a massive spider) and The Return of the King, but believe me, it doesn't seem long enough for this epic operation.

[rgse]

dumb-fukker, that's exactly my point. You still don't see that you are wrong. You still haven't made the effort to find out if what you say is correct, yet you pass it off as fact. Very interesting that you couldn't and still don't see this simple thing.

By the way, there is no winning when you argue with a fool because a fool is incapable of understanding. Remain ignorant if you want.

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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

rgse, will you please stop trying to sound smart?? I dont ever remember being ignorant about anything. I dont think anyone else does either. All I was doing is defending my opinion that Lord of the Rings will do better then AotC`s, with the facts. If you want to get smart-assed about it and tell me that I am giving false facts than why didnt you include the fact that Lord of the Rings was not an option at hotticket.com on their survey?? Yeah, thats what I thought. And ak, I too have that fear. I thought that the orcs, and the Balrog, and the troll looked great, but there were a couple of things that bothered me. Such as the Watcher at the Gate, and the matting during the stairs sequence. I think these things will be worked out before the film is released though. They will probably be working there asses off to get it all done and polished. You have to remember that 5 different companies are working on the special effects for this movie, and the ones that dont put out as high of qulaity as the 0ther ones will probably be re-done before the film opens. They didnt work 5 years on a film to have average special effects (they werent that bad).

[ANTBond007]

Fokker, what you're basically saying is that we can't think AotC will make more money because it's Star Wars, but you can say that Fellowship of the Ring will make more because it's Lord of the Rings. It's a very hypocritical argument.

As for popularity, I stand by my reasoning that Star Wars is moreso. It's simply imbedded into American culture. When Episode I grosses $25 million on a work day, you know people love this franchise. Just because you were disappointed by The Phantom Menace doesn't mean everyone is. Maybe it's because I was 13 on May 19, 1999, but I loved TPM, and everyone else I know does as well.

[ak]

Having just visited the Lord of the Rings fansite - TheOneRing.net, i saw an artical that they had which stated that 52% of people are not looking forward to LOTR, and a seperate poll which stated that Attack of the Clones is being anticipated by more people.

Go figure......

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Yes, ak, that is true. Or should I say WAS true. Go look at the update of how the results ended up. In the end 97.7% chose "YES". Dont believe me?? Go ahead and look. Nevermind, I just voted. Now it is 98%. If I knew how to post a link I would, but I encourage you all to go and look at the poll at Mr.Opinion.com The final results are:

Yes- 98%

No- 1.6%

No Opinion- .5%

How about that ak?? 98% is a helluva lot. And as for the guy that said that Star Wars is embedded in American culture. Your right, it is, but if there had not been Lord of the Rings there would be no Star Wars. There would be no Harry Potter, there would be not alot of things (hmmmmm). And if anyone doubts the validity of my comment above go and look for yourself. Oh, and to they guy who said the American culture thing again. I dont think I once said that Lord of the Rings will make more simply because it is Lord of the Rings. Maybe if you read the thread than you would have noticed that, and if you did read the thread you obviously skipped over my parts.

[cutman]

AK,
You might want to check out that same poll. As of today, 98% of the pollsters said that "Yes, they do plan on seeing Lord of the Rings." I'd say that's a pretty good percentage.
http://www.mropinion.com/Results.cfm?PollID=1914&CategoryID=4

Now that I know that TPM made over $400 million domestically, I do think that AotC can make $500 million. But I also think that each and every LotR movie will make that. Regardless to what people say, everyone does not love Star Wars. I think it's cool, but that's it. My father loves to watch movies, but he couldn't care less about any Star Wars. On the other hand, my idiot sister asked me a couple of months ago if I had heard about a new Lord of the Rings movie. That may not seem like much, but if my sister (who goes to College in the middle of nowhere Tennessee) has heard hype, than I'm positive that the hype has spread outside the circle of fans.

Over 100 MILLION LoTR books have been sold worldwide. Multiply that times six dollars (or 7 or 8 or however much your movie tickets cost), and that is a LOT of money.

I've NEVER read such positive reviews for a segment of a movie. The response to the Cannes footage is unbelievable. EVERY review of the footage has been glowing.

AotC is going to be big...but LotR is going to be huge. In my opinion, unlike AotC, Lord of the Rings will bring an entirely new idea to the big screen, and people are going to flock to see it.

cutman

PS Turn on the news...we are bombing Afghanistan.

[Tuukka]

You guys are not mentioning one thing. The poll in question had a gigantic boost right after Theonering.net asked people to go there and vote for LOTR. Theonering gets thousands and thousands of visitors every day and they are all Tolkien fanatics, which means they are going to vote for LOTR in every poll that they can find. Hell, I'm one of them.

It happens about once a week, LOTR is competing against some other film on some site and usually is NOT on the top. Theonering tells people about the poll and in just one day LOTR has a lot more votes than any other movie in the poll... So we shouldn't trust these polls very much, they are easily misleading.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, that is partly true. But only with those 2 polls (the MTV and Mr. Opinion). Other than those two polls, I have never seen them do that before. And I have been going there since before we got wind of the movie. I visit it at least once a day. But Tukkaka you are right, but go over to a Star Wars site and you will see the same thing. Over at Tolkein Movies they did research on the amount of polls that Lord of the Rings has won on (being the most anticipated movie of course) and Lord of the Rings has won some 95% of these types of polls. .....interesting.

[ak]

Tuukka holds a valid point.


Let me remind people though, that it's really unfair to base outcome on these polls. LOTR has had a few trailers now, it's hyping up in the media and it's so close now to being released, it's bound to win these polls.
When the first AOTC trailer hits theatres, we will see these polls rising on the Star Wars side, we have seen more or less nothing from this film, so don't go counting on the polls just yet.

Like i said earlier, and time again, i couldn't care which is bigger, i just want great films.



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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well I am confident that we are going to get great films, but I truly think that Lord of the Rings will be better by leaps and bounds if it is even half as good as the book. And that is what is going to get Lord of the Rings on top. If it is a good film than I am more than confident it will make more.

[ANTBond007]

Before I start, I think I should mention that LOTR has a lot more competition than Episode I did...

If we really need to get into the numbers game, I will. Let's say 100 million copies of LotR have been sold worldwide. Okay. The Phantom Menace grossed $950 million worldwide during its run. We'll use $8 as the average price of a movie ticket (even though many venues, such as my own, charge around $4). Divide 950 million by eight, and you come to the fact that 118 million people saw Episode I theatrically.

But then, you say, "Wait! Many people saw Episode I more than once!"

That argument is also true, but many people own many editions of Lord of the Rings, as well. I myself own two.

Throwing in the fact that in today's time A New Hope's gross is around $700 million in the U.S. alone, and suddenly that "100 million books sold worldwide" isn't quite as thrilling.

Tuukka, I'd say that more people live by Star Wars than by Lord of the Rings. I mean, I don't read many stories about people living by the Hobbit code, but I have seen people dress like Jedi during daily life...

P.S. - I don't give any respect to that poll, for the same reason I don't to many Star Wars ones -- It's been rigged. Once TheOneRing.net got to it, every frickin' person who goes to that site voted on the poll more than once. The minute TheForce.net or TheOneRing.net get to a poll, I don't consider the results totally valid.

[ANTBond007]

But, just to dispute the previous results posted, as of 3:50 p.m., Eastern Time, here are the poll results (and it's really close):

Star Wars - Episode II: Attack of the Clones 39%
Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring 38%
Spider-Man 15%
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone 9%

[cutman]

Ak,
I agree with you that these internet polls don't mean anything. However, we didn't bring them into this argument...you did. :-)

I also think that you see Star Wars more in every day life (ie: people living by the Star Wars code...whatever that is) because Star Wars became popular as a movie whereas LotR has only ever been known in the medium of books (except for some awful movie versions that were never targeted towards a mass market). In America, movies are a major aspect of Pop Culture....books are not. Once LotR becomes a Hollywood movie and the majority of Americans are exposed to it, it could take off.

Unfortunately, no one can win this argument until the movies are released. For the record, I would like to say that I think that the LotR trilogy will make more money than Episodes 1-3 because of the quality of the movies. Of course, my prediction is pure speculation (since I haven't seen the movies), but I honestly think that the LotR has a better story behind it, will rely less on special effects, and has an extremely talented cast and crew working on it.

Also, TPM had tons of hype behind it because it had been over 15 years since the Return of the Jedi. A lot of people were curious as to how it would turn out. Since it wasn't that great of a movie (I don't care that cinescape or whatever gave it a 7.1....it is an internet poll, and we have already discussed the validity of those.)

Star Wars is old and stale...it is also pretty cheasy in my opinion. LotR is a fresh series, and in a time of sequels and rehashed plots (see my thread on The One), I think that mass audiences will flock to see it over and over again.

[cutman]

Where did those numbers come from? What poll? 39% Star Wars...38% LotR...15% Spider Man...I have never even seen a poll with those choices.

Again, we have already decided that internet polls don't mean anything. I will be the first to admit that TheOneRing.net can drastically change the outcome of any poll (and I'm sure TheForce.net can do the same thing.)

[ANTBond007]

Cutman, it's an MTV poll, and I do agree with TheForce.net and TheOneRing.net "influencing" outcomes.

BTW, does anyone else think that Lucas and Jackson may be using this hype for a much greater degree than we thought? I don't know about everyone else, but I see an Episode II trailer appearing on Fellowship of the Ring, and the first Two Towers trailer on Attack of the Clones....

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cutman:
Ak,
I agree with you that these internet polls don't mean anything. However, we didn't bring them into this argument...you did. :-)</font>

I brought them into the discussion to push a point forward, and for a certain degree of analysis, which is what has happened. I do not, however, give a damn about them.

P.S - The AOTC trailer is either meant to appear with Monsters Inc. or Harry Potter, those are the firm bets at the moment, but i doubt they'd put infront of LOTR.



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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I dont think they would put a trilaer for Attack of the Clones on the Lord of the Rings - they should, but they wont. I am glad to see that alot more people are coming into this argument with their opinions. And as for a couple of your guys comments; do you really think people would have been dressing up as Jedis if Star Wars had been a book first?? Do you think anyone would even have read it?? Im sure some people would have, but not many. That is the same argument with Lord of the Rings except Lord of the Rings is an incredible book. And as for the guy who quoted the number of books sold by how much mo money the Phantom Menace and Lord of the Rings did and will make; that isnt accurate in the slightest. You have to remember that books carry Lord of the Rings and friends can let other friends borrow there book. The thing about this movie is that it is coming out at just the right time and has nothing but positive hype. The attack on America has left people looking for escapism in films, and Lord of the Rings good vs. evil theme will fit in perfect with that. Plus the fact that Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, and Monsters Inc. are all coming out relatively close to eachother helps braoden the market for Lord of the Rings because the fantasy movie will open back up again. And back to the number of people who read Lord of the Rings again. What about the people that havents read the books and are going to see the movie?? Im sure they will be pleasantly surprised, and will probably encourage there firends to go see the movie with them again. ........and im spent.

[The Heart Collector]

I think most of you are exagerating on the grosses... I'd say hardly 400 for LOTR and 420 for AOTC. They're both going to be great, I'm guessing. I think AOTC will gross more because of the big amount of Star Wars fans, the non-fans that will simply watch it because of TPM, and the fact that it'll probably be PG (you can say it's going to be more serious, but there's no chance in hell that Lucas will make it a pg-13, which might cause loss in gross and in merchandise and whatnot... maybe i'm wrong, though).

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

You should probably read the entire thread before you post. I was kind-of hoping this would stay dead, but since someone else replied I just wanna mention the fact that both TheOneRing.net and TheForce.net told everyone that visited the web-site to go and vote multiple times, and The Lord of the Rings still won.

[MovieFilmFlick]

Star Wars: Episode II will be the bigger hit. The reason it will gross more than Lord of the Rings is because because it has a broad range of fans, it's a film for mass audience.

Lord of the Rings (just like Star Trek) is aimed at a more specific select audience. But still, no matter the select audience, it will gross between $150-$200 million dollars domestic.

I predict Star Wars: Episode II will gross between $450-$550 million dollars domestic.

[NDS]

Okay you know a movie has a huge fan base when they make a religion out of it. I just heard tonight that Jedi Knight has made a list of religions. People were fined 1000 dollars in Australia for writing Jedi Knight under religion. People will go see Star Wars whether the last one sucked or not. I've never even heard of Lord of the Rings personally...well I have but very vaguely. Then again I'm not much of a book person either.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

lol, you guys obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Lord of the Rings has less mass appeal than Star Wars?? lol, yeah right. Keep dreaming, pal. I am a fan of both, but I am not so uncultured to think something that ridiculous. And if you think Star Wars has spawned alot of "religions" than you obviously dont know that Lord of the Rings has in itself 5 different languages that people dedicate their lives to learn, and has spawned tons, and tons, of groups (especially in the 70`s). But you 12 year-olds can believe what you will.

[rgse]

ooooooookay

[ak]

Dumb-Fokker-** - You clearly need to revise the rules of the board if you need to rely on petty language. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, not just yourself.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

And as a person who is entitled to their own opinion, I am allowed to stress my opinion that I think thier opinion is flawed.

[ak]

That was not an opinion, that was a put down, opinions should be constructive. It's about time this topic was closed, it's just about lost its wind.

[rgse]

I believe that dumb-fukker's flawed opinion should stay.

[joblo2]

I think The Phantom Menace deceived a lot of people but Attack of the Clones will make good money, not as much as the first one but it will be pretty much the same as LOTR

[daddiefatsacks]

the newest lord of the rings trailer fuckin BLEW me away

[NDS]

I am not kidding Fokker people have started calling themselves Jedi Knights as a religion. Why the hell would I have to make something like that up for? It made made number 586 i think on somekind of list of religions in the world.

[NDS]

You also need to relax man...it's just a movie. Like I give a damn what religions were spawned from what. I was simply saying something that spawns it's own religion or what people would like to call a religion means that people are probably going to go see it whether it sucks or not. Star Wars may have lost it's appeal to you but I think most Star Wars fans are going to stay faithful to the movie and go see the next one. Geez...did you actually call me a 12 year old. Says the guy who is arguing about LotR and Star Wars. Just movies...relax.

[dr-movielove]

I know a lot of people are all ready hating the name Attack of the Clones, but most people don't get the meaning of it.

Attack of the -- coming from the classic horror films from which George Lucas is a major fan of....

&

Clones -- From the Clone Wars which are mention in the original trilogy

I think there's a good chance that he will change the name since he did for Return of the Jedi

As for which will do better...most certainly Star Wars. LOTR is majorly anticipated by many fans of Tolkien's book trilogy, but that still doesn't come close to the number of Star Wars fans. And also I saw some of the effects from the most recent LOTR trailer and they didn't look so great at all! Most people are saying they're supposed to be groundbreaking effects, from what I've seen in the previews I all ready disagree.


-d. movielove

[Scorchlord]

Frankly, the special effects in The Phantom Menace weren't all that astounding either.

[Tuukka]

The effects on the LOTR trailer are the same standard as Phantom menace, JP3, and other big budget high profile movies which have been surpassed only by Pearl Harbour, which had nearly flawless SFX. LOTR effects are not quite so photo realistic. Then again, the reports from the Cannes footage tell that the INTERACTING with live action footage and CGI creatures are the most realistic we have seen so far.

Personally it doesn't bugger me if LOTR has worse effects than Pearl Harbour, which is the highest standard at the moment.

I agree with Scorchlord that the PM effects were not groundbreaking either at their time. Most of the time it was painfully obvious that they were just effects. Many films that year had just as good effects, if not better. Matrix for sure impressed me a lot more with it's SFX, althought this was more thanks to cooler ideas, design and visual sensibility, not the technical side.

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[TheMovieMinor]

Probably Attack of the Clones

[hasone]

I,personally do not want to see LOTR as much as i want to see ATOC, simply because LOTR seems like a gross misinterpretation of the series. I could go on forever about that, but I won't. There are rumors that they'll add in cut scenes (the important ones too) to the DVD version, but that won't help the box office. ATOC however, I'm willing to see. I was as dissapointed as everyone else by TPM, but I think Lucas has had enough time to realize that Jar Jar Binks and lots of Special effects won't sell a star wars movie. I think ATOC will be better, because Lucas has had time to improve, and also because he's getting to a good point in the storyline. Even if he completely messes it up, he can't change what he wrote, so the story will be at least mediocre. And the special effects will be good, if one can judge by TPM. LOTR though, is being mutilated. It seems like a bad transition from book to movie, and I will not see it until I have had many many good reviews. Star Wars I know will be at least mediocre (TPM wasn't bad, just mediocre, no matter what everyone thinks). So, I, PERSONALLY, would rather see ATOC. I think others will too. Maybe I'm an idiot. Whatever. I talk to much. sorry

[Scorchlord]

I really don't see how you could possibly say the movie is a "mutilation" of the book. That reeks of gross ignorance of what's actually in the film. I've read the complete list of film changes, and the things in there are relatively minor.

[Tuukka]

I have to agree with Scorchlord.

A "mutilation"? Granted there are some minor changes, but they are hardly going to ruin the film. It should obvious to everyone that if the films would include everything in the books, each episode would be at least 5-6 hours long. As for acting and visual look of the films, they seem to be very good.

[dr-movielove]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scorchlord:
Frankly, the special effects in The Phantom Menace weren't all that astounding either.

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well I wasn't saying The Phantom Menace were astounding if that's what you were thinking, but from what I've seen from the LOTR trailers the effects for Phantom Menace look quite a few times better than LOTR effects.

[Scorchlord]

I wouldn't even come close to saying that.

First off, what you've seen is in a trailer for a film that's not due out for two months. Secondly, it looks at least as good as what was in the Phantom Menace, which looked decidedly CGI, and therefore fake.

I hate computer graphics for the most part, which makes the fact that LOTR is filmed on location nice. Don't have to build up fake sets via CGI.

[dr-movielove]

I said the effects in the LOTR TRAILER look fake. I know it's just the trailer, but the parts of special effects from the trailer did LOOK fake.

[Tuukka]

We should ask the question of WHY they look fake? The thing is that when we see surrealistic visuals out of context, even if they are 100% realistic, they look fake because we KNOW they are fake. This is true with both LOTR and Phantom Menace. When I saw the trailers for Phantom Menace for the first time, almost every SFX shot seemed fake to me.

For example many people have claimed that the giant statues in the trailer look CGI. But they are not CGI, they are large miniatures and it's IMPOSSIBLE to tell the difference between a large miniature and the real thing on TV resolution. If the statue pic would be 100% real, people would still be complaining that it looks fake.

Do you remember how there is a shot of the fellowship walking on a hill, close to some ruins, in the May trailer? Well, THAT shot is a CGI composite, but nobody noticed it because people assumed that the ruins are there for real. We are used to seeing similar ruins in real world, and therefore we didn't assume that they had to build the ruins in computer. Europe has many places like that for real, but New Zealand doesn't have.

So the point is that in order to critisize the effects you have to see them in the context of the film, on big screen. Only then you can tell how realistic they are, how well they flow with the live action footage.

[Spidey]

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[ak]

What does that link show? I can't seem to acess it.

[Spidey]

Yoda like you have never seen him before http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

(if you cut & paste the link into your address bar it might work)

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Hey, did you guys know that a bunch of people started dressing like hobbits and living in holes (IM SERIOUS, go check out tolkein-movies.com archives). That must prove that Lord of the Rings is going to make more money cause a certain group of people are living like hobbit. .............point proven yet??

[Octowaffle]

I don't want to get off the subject but how do you think these films will do against Matrix 2?

[Tuukka]

Tell me if I'm wrong, but Matrix 2 has been pushed to the summer of 2003, and therefore it's not competing against LOTR.

[guccirush]

ok people , I dont know if you are blind or if you dont like change.... Lord of the Rings will blow records away , I saw fantom menace and it was not that good , it was the same thing over and over again , the acting was crap ,and the special effects speak for themselves.... Lotr is something new that has been growing since before the star wars , star wars was created by people that are fans of lotr , they were inspired.... steven spielburg said in a confrence that he never even thought lotr would be made for atleast another 10 years b/c of the amount of work and special effects in it....
this movie has been made for the last 5 years.... the movie festival in cannes in france in june was a smash for lotr and critics are saying it is going to blow audiences away.... the same footage was shown to some newspaper editors from L.A and New york , they said the special effects had people cursing in fear this is going to be one hell of a movie be prepared Star Wars!

[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Hey, did you guys know that a bunch of people started dressing like hobbits and living in holes (IM SERIOUS, go check out tolkein-movies.com archives). That must prove that Lord of the Rings is going to make more money cause a certain group of people are living like hobbit. .............point proven yet??</font>

Absolutley not. What if girls started overeating and became lard-asses like Gwenyth Paltrow is in Shallow Hal...Would that mean that Shallow Hal will make more money because a certain group of girls are getting fat??? I think not...

[Legion]

First I want to say that I´m a huge Star Wars fan. I think the Star Wars-films (not Episode 1) are the greatest movies of all time.

I have friends that read Lotr a long time ago so I have known about the books for some time, but I haven´t come around to read them until a year ago. When I had finished all three books, I just had to read them again, because they were so good.

The book-sales for lotr have passed 100 million and a lot of people that haven´t bought the books, have read them.

In addition to them, a lot of people that haven´t read the books, will go and see the movies.

I think the first Lotr movie will make about 200 million (worldwide) the first weekend alone. If it´s as good as the book it will most likely break the record set by Titanic.

Will Lotr do better than AOTC at the boxoffice?

I think so, but it´s not so easy to say.
Since nobody has seen any of the movies, it is impossible to say. AOTC could very well be as good as the original trilogy or it could be just as bad as Episode 1.

A few reasons why this will happen though is:

1) The number of fans. I don´t have any figures for this, but I´m pretty sure that there are a lot more people that like Lotr than Star Wars.

2) The interest for Star Wars has gone down since Episode 1. A lot of people just don´t care anymore.



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[wilo]

I have to agree with you 100% Legion!! I am a big fan of Star Wars and I even liked TPM (I know!! I know!! There is something wrong with me!!:-) ) But you have to remember that LOTR is a way better story than Star Wars will ever be, that is why it is the most popular book of the 19th century!!! Its a CLASSIC of World literature. In fact LOTR was a very big influence in George Lucas' creative mind!!
It is true that a lot of kids from generation X do not know the book or have not heard about it as much as the Baby Boomers have, which grew up reading the book. But after the opening, just because of the word of mouth and curiosity, all those kids will start going in droves into the multiplexes to watch the movie!! I know it will happen! That and the fact that a there is a huge fan base for the story (that may not be as apparent as the die hard Star wrs fans because of how long ago the book was published) will make this moovie and the whole trilogy, one of the and more likely the highest grossing movies of all time!!!

[Scorchlord]

I'm a Star Wars fan, I was at the first showing on the first day at midnight for Episode I, but this second film doesn't inspire in me a great excitement at all, that the anticipation of Ep. 1 did. Firstly, because Ep. 1 was an average movie at best with many, many problems. Secondly, the teaser just released isn't all that impressive.

My anticipation for LOTR is much higher than for Star Wars.

[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Legion:

I think the first Lotr movie will make about 200 million (worldwide) the first weekend alone.</font>


Alls I have to say is.....?

[MovieFreak15]

First of all, I have to say that both of the movies look like crap. However, I know that there are millions upon millions that would disagree with me. Anyway, I think both movies will get somewhere around the same amount of viewers. However, diehard fans of the Star Wars movie won't just see it once, they'll see it again and again and again and again. So, obviously the edge goes to Attack of the Clones. Expect it to make between $400-$550 million, while Lord of the Rings should make between $250-$350 million.

[wilo]

Why the question Horror Whore? It could happen!!
And he is reffering to the worldwide boxoffice total for the weekend release and keep in mind it will be released literaly everywhere on December 19.

[Tuukka]

Actually LOTR is probably going to get lot's of repear business as well.

Horror Whore, the 200 million estimation is not necessarily far off. It will be a five day weekend and the film opens in more than 10.000 theatres around the world. Phantom Menace made around 110 million in five days in USA alone. Personally I think LOTR will open between 120-140 million worldwide. But who knows.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Um, Horror; you remember that post you made about fat girls and Shallow Hal?? Um, well maybe you should read the thread again, and see that when I posted that, I was being sarcastic, because one of those Star Wars people was saying that AotC`s will make more money because people are calling themselves Jedis. Anyways, back to Box Office. I think it is clear that LotR`s will make, and maybe even alot more. 75,000 tickets were sold in NZ in one hour. The movie will open on an amazing number of screens, has the benefit of a 5-dau weekend, and no real competition. Not to mention the fact that Monsters Inc. made 63 million (and no, the fact that the Episode II trailer was attached did not play anything close to a significant role) and Harry Potter will probably make a shit-load as well; and we all know that after these movies the fantasy genre will be re-established, and that the little kids will want to see more wizards. Add that with the readers, people influenced by the hype, fans, and anybody else going to see it, and we are going to have an ass kicking at the box office.

[ak]

I'm still trying to stress this to many people i know, in general, and especially on this entire board, especially Dumb-Fokker-** - Don't go thinking too positively about this film!
It's very dangerous. All this nonsense talk of how big the films are going to be, and how they're going to thrash Star Wars is getting on my nerves now.

People who saw the most dramatic part of the film in the Cannes 25 mins footage said it was great, but impossible to compete with fan's wishes....listen to them!

I'm offering the best possible advice. I mean, really, do you want to be disappointed with a great film?



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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

ak, I hardly think the Mines of Moria are the focal point of the film. And secondly, why not speak good about it?? We have all read the book, we all know what is going to happen, and we can be as excited about it as we please. I mean, it is freakin Lord of the Rings. I can honestly say that it will thrash Star Wars, IN MY OPINION. This is a message board where we post our OPINIONS, and if we want to think that this will be the most successful film of all time, than I think we should be allowed to do so. Another thing, the Mines of Moria may be one of the most exciting sequences of the film, but do you want to know why everyone is so excited?? Its because the entire film will be incredible. Not just parts, not just the end; everything is going to be good. Now if that is not reason to be extremly excited about a film, I dont really know what is. Im tired of people saying the hype of this film will be its downfall; I dont believe that in any way. Just because that was the case with TPM, doesnt mean it will be the case here. We know this story, its characters, its settings, everything about it, and that gives us more than enough reason to be sure that this film will be excellent;l and those who havent read the book can be comforted in us having known it, and how good it is.

[rgse]

Here's the logic:

Since the book was good,
Then the film MUST be good.

Can't argue with that logic.........

[ak]

Well, i'm going to be sensible and not think too highly, i know i'll be dissapointed otherwise.

P.S - The Mines of Moria sequence will definately be the most dramatic of the whole film.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

It may be the most action-oriented, but the point I was trying to make was that this film will hold that sense of awe and wonder throughout.

[wilo]

I understand where are you coming from ak!! But some people (like me!!!!) just can't help it getting excited about this movie in particular!!! I know there is a danger of getting to excited about a movie due to the hype and all; to then get really dissapointed when you see the movie. But part of the fun of a movie (specially for us who do not seem to have anything better to do than to talk about movies :-)!!!!!!!!) is to hype the movie as much as we can before we see it!!!

And as for me, I know I won't get dissapointed about the movie, because no matter what I will still have a lot of fun while watching the movie!!! The same happened to me with TPM (although not to the same degree than it is happening to me with LOTR!), and I still had a lot of fun with TPM, even tho it really wasn't as good as it could have been!! Anyways, I have an optimistic view on everything!! So I am betting that themovie will be great!! One of the best all time movies!!

PS- And AK, hope I was of help with your question!

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[Fergus]

Why is TPM made out to look like a piece of crap. Yeah, some parts were particularly terrible, but as a whole, the movie was good. I'm a big Star Wars fan, and I don't care what the buzz is, I will see "Attack of the Clones." The teaser was perfect, and gave me the chills--it was more than just worth my admission for "Monsters Inc." You know darn well the Star Wars sequel will make more money. I much larger fan base, and I'm sorry, but, the buzz on Lord of the Rings is nothing close to that of "Potter"-- isn't.

I certainly have more anticipation for "Clones" rather than "Lord of the Rings," I grew up on Star Wars, c'mon. And I've been waiting years for these sequels.

Attack of the Clones all the way.

[ak]

The reason why "Potter" hype is much larger than The Lord of the Rings at the moment, is because it's literally days till the "Potter" international screening, there's bound to be massive excitement/hype.....especially because the world premier of the film was in London only last Sunday.
Once The Lord of the Rings reaches its release date, we won't be able to escape excitement.

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[Fergus]

I just don't know 'ak', it scares me because I have a doubt that these films are going to lose a ton of money. If Lord of the Rings matches, or tops the buzz of Potter, then, I will definitely be surprised. Because right now, I just don't see it.

But, like it was said before, "the movie business is unpredictable." That is why I have doubts, because we don't know--anything could happen.

[wilo]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Fergus:
I just don't know 'ak', it scares me because I have a doubt that these films are going to lose a ton of money. If Lord of the Rings matches, or tops the buzz of Potter, then, I will definitely be surprised. Because right now, I just don't see it.

But, like it was said before, "the movie business is unpredictable." That is why I have doubts, because we don't know--anything could happen.</font>

Fergus, if you want to understand why we are so excited about LOTR and why we are so sure that is going to be such a big hit read the books and do a little of research (if you can) about the history of the book. You will find how good the books are and you will learn how many millions of people are as fanatic about the book as Star Wars fans are! Additionally, Star Wars has only been around for about 20 yrs, LOTR has been around for more than 50 yrs. and it influenced George Lucas on his wonderful creation!! ( I am a huge fan of Star Wars too, by the way!!)

[Jarheadiswhitetrash]

LOTR RULES!

Ok got that out.

Lotr is gonna kick the hell out of AotC and I'll tell you why... First to address all those uniformed folks out there Lotr was published WAAAAY before Star Wars ever came out so that fan base has been building for quite some time now. Second while Star Wars is the figure head of it's own sub-genre(Space Opera) Lotr is the figurehead for it's own Genre(Fantasy). When people think Fantasy the first thing that usually pops into their minds is Lotr. Third, Fatty weak chinned George burned ALOT of bridges with his fans with Phantom Menace and JarJar binks and alot of the movie was basically just watching a 7 year-old kid say stupid shit on the screen(jeez especially that fighter pilot sequence, ugh the pain). The the truth is the movie was childish and aimed towards a younger crowd which caused alot of people to be very betrayed. And another thing...CGI Much? Just because CGI is new doesn't mean it's good and it sure as hell doesn't mean that it's good in large amounts. I felt like I was watching a live-action Pokemon.

Sure AotC is got alot hype and alot of people are gonna go see it. But that whole idea that these movies that he's making now are gonna be anywhere near as good as the orginal 3 has been totally destroyed by Lucas. They'll be fun to watch and interesting especially because we love the original ones so much but they won't be on the originals level for whateve reason.

No Fokker and I can't say that Lotr is automatically gonna be a great movie just cause the books were good. But AotC is the "sequel" to Phantom menace. And most people, except for the ones that thought Pearl Harbor was good, agree that Phantom Mencace sucked balls. So you do the math.

Oh and ak will ya stop with your inceasent bleating about "how it shouldn't be about how much money a movie makes but the art", look at the damn topic of this thread
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[Legion]

Box office numbers for Episode 1 (IMDB)
Opening Weekend
$64.81m (USA) (23 May 1999) (2970 screens)

So if Lotr opens in about 10000 screens it (make 200 million the first weekend) could happen.

Sure a lot of the extra screens could be very small, but still...

Nobody can say for sure if it will beat the record set by Titanic or make more than AOTC, but no matter how bad the movie is, my guess is that all the screens will be full the first weekend. I don’t think reviews will scare many people off the first weekend.
What happens after that is another thing.

And if it "only" makes 140 million or so the first weekend, who cares. If it’s good, it will probably make a lot more in the weeks to come.

[FreakArtist]

They are both going to make a lot of money but none of them will beat the record established by Titanic

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jarheadiswhitetrash:
...Oh and ak will ya stop with your inceasent bleating about "how it shouldn't be about how much money a movie makes but the art", look at the damn topic of this thread[/B]</font>

It is still related to the damn topic isn't it though??? How much money the film will make and blah blah blah. I just happened to make a statement that was related to the topic, but with a negative association.

Golly, if everyone had positive views, this board would be very dull.

Also, my "getting the my nerves" comment was in general. I am a massive fan of the films, and to see money being the importance over the integrity of these films beggers my belief.
But, perhaps i shouldn't have gone off on a tangeant.

Anyways, i suppose the silly argument of opinions should end before it spoils this topic.



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[iluvamber19]

I think the movies are gonna be crap. What kind of name is Attack of the Clones? I don't really understand what Lord of the Rings is supposed to be about.

[wilo]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by iluvamber19:
I think the movies are gonna be crap. What kind of name is Attack of the Clones? I don't really understand what Lord of the Rings is supposed to be about.</font>

Well my friend if you don't understand what LOTR is about, then read the book and you will see what a wonderful and awesome story it is!

[Zed]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by iluvamber19:
I think the movies are gonna be crap. What kind of name is Attack of the Clones? I don't really understand what Lord of the Rings is supposed to be about.</font>


I'm pretty sure this guy has not been around for a while.

Anyway Lord of the Rings will beat Episode II mainly because the effect of dissapointment caused by the Phantom Menace.

But to be honest possibly I'll go to see both of them twice the first weekend.

[Fergus]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wilo:
Fergus, if you want to understand why we are so excited about LOTR and why we are so sure that is going to be such a big hit read the books and do a little of research (if you can) about the history of the book. You will find how good the books are and you will learn how many millions of people are as fanatic about the book as Star Wars fans are! Additionally, Star Wars has only been around for about 20 yrs, LOTR has been around for more than 50 yrs. and it influenced George Lucas on his wonderful creation!! ( I am a huge fan of Star Wars too, by the way!!)</font>

Yeah, yeah, I know this already. But the thing is wilo, I don't have the time to read the books. I'm juggling school and a job right now, and time is precious-if you know what I mean. Yeah, you're right, Lord of the Rings has been around for a LONG time, but still, in my eyes, I have seen nothing to indicate that the anticipation for "The Fellowship of the Rings" is like what I saw for Star Wars. I mean, that the schmoes here are all excited, but you guys are the only ones the show the excitement, I don't see anyone else. Maybe it's my area. That doesn't change the fact that I WILL see this on its opening day.

[Horror whore]

I found the thread!!!!!Without a doubt, Episode II will make more in the USA!! Episode II is guaranteed at least 400 million...LOTR won't make that much....

But if the question was "Which will do better: AOTC or TTT?" then I wouldn't know....

[Common Sense Man]

Wow did you have to crank up the Difibulator to get this topic back on it's feet!

Well I am not going to spend the time to read the whole thread as the second to last post was before FOTR even came out.

But I think FOTR will beat EPII in the long run.

And part of the reason I say this is because there is absolutely no buzz about EPII and it is almost out!

There will not be the mass flocking to the theaters that happened with EPI. Will it rake in the dough, sure, but eventually it will slow down while FOTR just keeps on chuging.

I could be wrong of course if EPII rocks, but I think we can all honestly say at this point we are simply hoping for a decent showing and not a total farce!

Out......

[rascle1]

who th hell cares whow much ither movie is going to make. are any of us going to get some of it? no it's going to the movie industry so they can found more shit movies like crossroads and more teen comedys that all have the same story line. LOTR and star wars are great sagas that shouldn't be put in competition because if you want a real competition going lets do it right-what movie will be a better movie star wars episode 2 or LOTR OR matrix reloaded now thats a real competition. becaus matrix has just the same amount of deciples as star wars and LOTR so i want to see which one of these movies will be better more then how much it will make

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by rascle1:
who th hell cares whow much ither movie is going to make. are any of us going to get some of it? no it's going to the movie industry so they can found more shit movies like crossroads and more teen comedys that all have the same story line. LOTR and star wars are great sagas that shouldn't be put in competition because if you want a real competition going lets do it right-what movie will be a better movie star wars episode 2 or LOTR OR matrix reloaded now thats a real competition. becaus matrix has just the same amount of deciples as star wars and LOTR so i want to see which one of these movies will be better more then how much it will make </font>


Well is sounds like you have a mission to start your own thread then. If you do not like the topic in this thread start your own.

But although some threads are not as deep and soul searching as others, this is a place to speculate and talk all aspects of film, and money is definately one of them.

I will be looking for your thread.

Out.........

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Wow, this topic came back from the pits of hell. Anyways, I am still going to predict that LotRs comes out on top. It is still making around 14 million a weekend, and even if it doesnt stay #1 it will be in the top 10 for at least Febuary. And than there is the TT trailer, and possible GG (fingers croessed) and Oscar wins. I think i9n the long run LotR will, and should get it.

[Ghostface 2000]

I think Star Wars Ep II will make more money because it has been around for so many years, and LOTR has just come out.

[Zed]

I think LOTR will make more money, because the movie will have a second breath after the Oscar Awards ceremony (I'm not talking about best picture, I'm just remembering The Matrix).

[Moviebuff_Mike]

StarWars Episode: II Attack of the Clones will most definitely make more money than The Two Towers!:P of course that's just what I think. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif