George Lucas kicks fans in the nuts yet again.

[gl2899]

George Lucas has lost his flippin mind. I am one of many old school SW fans that felt that TPM was a flip of the bird to Lucas' long time fans (ya know the gripes, Bad acting, bad dialog, jake lloyd, Jar Jar Binks, Poop and fart jokes, The two headed announcer et al.)

And now another Kick in the nuts to Star Wars fans....

Owen Lars (who raised Luke from infancy on Tatooine) is not the brother of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Theyre not even related at all (WTF)?? According to the Novelization of ROTJ and the (ahem) "Official" Guide to the star wars Universe Owen and Ben are supposed to be brothers, that is why Obi-Wan trusted him with the guardianship of Luke. Not only is it clear to me now that Lucas does not care about his fans, he doesnt care about decent storytelling. I could go on and on but no one wants to read a rant (fat necked bastard putting his fat daughter in the movie as a twi'lek dancer!! arrrgh) okay now I quit. But I am saving 9.00 and NOT seeing this piece of celluloid (oh, im sorry...digital) shite.

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[The Heart Collector]

Ok, seriously, what kind of worthless non-sense is this?


I consider myself a STAR WARS fan. I love the movies greatly, even TPM, and I'm eagerly awaiting AOTC.

I didn't consider NSYNC's cameo anything truly bad, to be honest. Sure, it screamed SELLOUT and all, but whatever.


But this... I mean, Owen and Obi-Wan are not related. WHOOPDEEFUCKINGDOO. Were they supposed to be related or something? Because seriously, I consider the fact that they're brothers or friends to be completely fucking worthless to the actual story. These are the kind of worthless STAR WARS details that really don't add that much to the story. So what if they aren't brothers? The movies never implied they were brothers. Obi-Wan isn't even sad when Owen is killed, for god's sake.


I mean, seriously... You're not gonna watch the movie because of THIS? Because this is seriously the most idiotic thing related to Star Wars that I have EVER heard.

I mean, for fuck's sake, people. IT'S A MOVIE.

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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, I wouldnt worry too much, GL will probably come up with a REALLY GOOD (sarcasm) reason for this one.

[gl2899]

Yes I have a good reason for not seeing the movie, IMO, it is going to be Hackneyed and Disconnected from a Trilogy that I loved and grew up with. I can understand that George Lucas is ALSO writing for a NEW generation but he has really thrown hard-core fans to the curbside (continuity changes, stating that he doesnt consider the books a part of "his" story etc) What I dont understand is why people are giving me shit for stating my opinion. Thats what these boards are for. I dont post on here often because , to be honest, I work and go to school and dont have alot of time on my hands. It seems to me that these boards are turning exceedingly Nazi-istic. Joblo is asking for money peridically to save the sight but its coming to the point that I dont feel welcome here. Its sad and pathetic...please explain to me why its wrong to be unhappy with something, should i be a "pop culture zombie" and except whatever crap hollywood hands to me?

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[gl2899]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Well, I wouldnt worry too much, GL will probably come up with a REALLY GOOD (sarcasm) reason for this one.</font>

why a personal attack? tell me that? Im stating an opinion...I think that is TOTALLY uncalled for

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[Horror whore]

That wasn't really a personal attack.....

I couldn't care less about Obi-Won's relation to "Owen Lars"....GL isn't kicking fans in the balls... He's sucking them so they'll actually see the damn movie after all this bad hype!!!

[Lazycouch]

First it was all the bitching, crying, and moaning over George Lucas giving N'Sync a VERY short cameo in Episode 2 as extras.

Then, two fans lined up and camped outside a theatre in Seattle, 5 months before Episode 2 opens up.

And now, you people are bitching because George Lucas decides to leave out a worthless sub-plot that probably wouldn't contribute to the story in any way.


I think it's safe to say that you Star Wars fans seriously need to get a life.

[robk]

I agree.
This chaos is unnecessary.
If Lucas says that Jar Jar will become center stage in this film & Episode III, then we should push the panic button.

[gl2899]

again, why the attacks? Im just stating MY opinion, I speak for no one else but myself. If other people are unhappy with the movies fine. If some people like it fine. I do not. And I dont consider it a "minor plot point" it was a driving force behind the original trilogy.... why am I arguing this? Why do i feel the need to defend a FUCKING OPINION!!!! and Horrorwhore, where from the same town I think. Thats kinda cool.

[Horror whore]

Actually I'm from Maumee, but people will know Toledo before they know Maumee...

Anywho, I think that this doesn't really mean anything in the new trilogy...

[Lazycouch]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gl2899:
again, why the attacks? Im just stating MY opinion, I speak for no one else but myself. If other people are unhappy with the movies fine. If some people like it fine. I do not. And I dont consider it a "minor plot point" it was a driving force behind the original trilogy.... why am I arguing this? Why do i feel the need to defend a FUCKING OPINION!!!! and Horrorwhore, where from the same town I think. Thats kinda cool.</font>

Or maybe its just that you need to realize there is more to life than Star Wars. If Episode 2 just so happens to be a good movie, I don't think a worthless plot point that only DIE-HARD fans knew about will affect the overall quality of the movie.

[Common Sense Man]

Yo!

Hey no one is attacking you they are just stating there opinion as well, so do not fret.

We all have differing views on what Lucas is up to.

Personally I think it is strange that he pays soo much attention to detail going as far as to tell people whick books are the Bible of SW so to speak then ignoring his own work.

Is is a major plot point, not really, does it show he may have early onset Alzhiemers, maybe.

Don't be so thin skinned we all get a little vocal around here but we try to keep it clean and impresonal which I think we have all done.

Happy posting.

Out..........

[gl2899]

mu appoligies go out to anyone i may have offended. Tough day at work and the news on Ep2 have increasingly made me feel embarassed for hardcore fans (which, admitedly I am). I will not see the movie. And I have much more to my life than SW (SW was just a fun escape every now and then) Ah well.....

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Ok, ill admit it. I didnt even know they were supposed to be related, but you know me - bash AotCs any chance I get. haha Anyways, gl, since you live in Toledo I was wondering if you could tell me anything about the college. I plan on attending next year.

[Weapon X]

http://www.joblo.com/ubb/confused.gif

Uuuhh...call me crazy, but I always figured Owen was a relative of Anakin Skywalker, thus the reason why Luke calls him "Uncle Owen".

[Mr_Glass6]

OMG!!! i heard that Lucas is Drinking Evian water instead of Ice Mountain!!!! Jesus H Christ i can't tak it anymore!! AHHHH!! i am not going to see this movie the fucker should be drinking Ice Mountain for gods sake!

[bskutle]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Weapon X:
http://www.joblo.com/ubb/confused.gif

Uuuhh...call me crazy, but I always figured Owen was a relative of Anakin Skywalker, thus the reason why Luke calls him "Uncle Owen".</font>

Uuuhh...thank you Weapon X. That was always my assumption as well. Either that, or Aunt Beireu(sp?) was Anakin's sister.

[FeverDog420]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gl2899:
why a personal attack? tell me that? Im stating an opinion...I think that is TOTALLY uncalled for</font>

Um, could the "gl" in DumbFokker's original post mean "George Lucas" and not you?

[Strider]

Oh c'mon, who gives a shit? It doesn't matter to me if Owen Lars and Obi-Wan are not brothers at all. It's fucking worthless to the actual story, damn it! I mean, hell, forget about this shit, and just hope the movie is great.

Strider

[Nate6]

Like many people, I had NO idea they were supposed to be related and therefore it really won't take away from the experience (the movie is bound to be bad anyway). I'm not a huge Star Wars fan though, I can see how it would upset some people.

[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Anyways, gl, since you live in Toledo I was wondering if you could tell me anything about the college. I plan on attending next year.</font>


The University Of Toledo?? I was there the other day! It's a pretty good college with a great Rec Center (thats all I care about http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif)! There's a lot of people who go there so it's not a "personal" college...The classes are pretty big too....I wouldn't really want to go to a "personal" college anyway... The dorms are as small as my closet though....

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[The Heart Collector]

It's not a personal attack at all. I'm simply stating something that worries me, and that is that people are taking SW WAY TOO SERIOUSLY, especially with worthless news such as this.

[ColinM]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gl2899:
Owen Lars (who raised Luke from infancy on Tatooine) is not the brother of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Theyre not even related at all (WTF)?? According to the Novelization of ROTJ and the (ahem) "Official" Guide to the star wars Universe Owen and Ben are supposed to be brothers, that is why Obi-Wan trusted him with the guardianship of Luke. Not only is it clear to me now that Lucas does not care about his fans, he doesnt care about decent storytelling.</font>

First of all, it's always been like that. Owen was never Luke's actually father. If you consider yourself an "old-school" fan who thinks Lucas has been screwing over fans recently, then why are you getting made about THIS? It's been like this since the 70s.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gl2899:
(ya know the gripes, Bad acting, bad dialog, jake lloyd, Jar Jar Binks, Poop and fart jokes, The two headed announcer et al.)</font>

Also, I think the acting was GOOD aside from Jake Lloyd (who you singled out, anyway). Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson were GREAT, and Natalie Portman was very good too.

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[Americana]

Okay, this is enough. You guys really need to stop acting like your the ones making the movies ok. If you hate it so much make your own god damn film and stop crying over the ones that he makes. What you failed to understand is that George is the guy whose busting ass 24/7/365 just to make people like you happy. I mean, he's spent half of his life making you happy by making movie after movie after movie, not to mention comicbooks, guidebooks, history step by step books, and so on.

If you Can't respect that then I'm sorry, but you don't have the right to call your selves FANS.

[Common Sense Man]

I do agree that people nitpick a little too much at times, but you make it sound like he would be working at 7-11 if not for the fans demanding he make movies.

Lucas is a driven man and I think he will always make films, hey I would if I had created SW!

Overall I think Ol' George is still a great flick maker and he has done many wonderous things and been involved in many fantastic projects.

But I think the mystique slipped a bit with EPI and as far as EPII goes we shall just have to wait and see.

I'll be there, maybe not on opening day but soon after.

Out...............

[The Heart Collector]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Americana:
Okay, this is enough. You guys really need to stop acting like your the ones making the movies ok. If you hate it so much make your own god damn film and stop crying over the ones that he makes. What you failed to understand is that George is the guy whose busting ass 24/7/365 just to make people like you happy. I mean, he's spent half of his life making you happy by making movie after movie after movie, not to mention comicbooks, guidebooks, history step by step books, and so on.

If you Can't respect that then I'm sorry, but you don't have the right to call your selves FANS.</font>


Actually, he just directed one of the movies and then wasted time on other projects, while swimming in his pool of cash.

[Americana]

I'm not talking about directing, I'm talking about writing. He's the one who comes up with all of these great stories for us to enjoy. Yeah of course he's also got one hell of a steady bank income, but even with all the cash he has now, he still goes and writes more and more of the Star Wars Saga... For Us!

[ak]

Does he do it for us though? All he seems to be doing of late is pissing the fans off.

[Americana]

Very true ak, he has been going off his rocker lately and people just don't understand why. But something tells me that by the end of this trio it'll all come together like a nice peace of pie. (Sorry I just watched American pie 1 & 2) So, don't worry about it, just watch the movies and act happy okay. Even if it doesn't come out good.

[V dude]

Its quite amazing I've only just realised George Lucas must be the King geek of them all.

He wrote and made and continues to make the films

any good films he thinks of such as Indiana Jones series .. he realises that they won't increase his geek rating so he gives them to spielberg instead.

He is just happily living off Star Wars money, not bothering to release DVDs etc because its just too much work to actually put the whole thing together and speak on a commentary. Why bother meanwhile he sees his income is dropping bit so he thinks write .. I'll quickly whizz together Episode 1 2 and 3 get me so more money ..doesn't have be good, its got a massive fan base and the others sucked and they still made me a millionaire. Meanwhile he sits back on the hardwork of Spielberg and makes himself executive productor of all young indiana spin-offs

and just admires his huge sci-fi geek following and is proud of himself cause he is king of it all. All the star wars fans are like the sexual conquests of Sebastian Valmont in Cruel Intentions.

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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Yeah, my girlfriend said they have a really nice rec center. She is going to be attending this year, and ill be going there the year after. It isnt a party school or anything, is it?? Im not much a party person, and would prefer a more relaxed enviroment to the school. Anyways, I know this is off-topic so,....um George Lucas sucks!!!

[gl2899]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Ok, ill admit it. I didnt even know they were supposed to be related, but you know me - bash AotCs any chance I get. haha Anyways, gl, since you live in Toledo I was wondering if you could tell me anything about the college. I plan on attending next year.</font>

Well, it depends on what type of degree your going for .... they have a great School of Law and School of engineering. If you were thinking of more along the lines of Liberal arts there is Bowling Green State University just 30 miles south of here. They have a great Journalism program, art program, etc. I personally Go to UT taking Business Law. I like the school, but like I said, it really depends on what you want to take.

[rascle1]

i agree totaly wih you americana these super hard core fans of star wars are a bunch of babbies sometimes if lucas wanted to make a pre qual that was fan worthy that would be slim to impossible. who cares if lucas decided to make it that owen wasnt obi ones brother he's george fucking lucas he can do what ever the fuck he wants to do, he doesnt need the fans permission to change part of star wars history. if it wasnt for him we wouldnt have star wars in the first place so whipe your tears get over this stupid piece of back story and wait for the video like me.

[ColinM]

A lot of people are just watching the prequels very closely looking for ANYTHING that could be wrong with it. I'm sure if there were so many people watching this closely when the original movies were made, they'd haven given the same kind of shit to Lucas even then.

[James Logan]

Actually at the time a lot of critics did give Lucas a bad time for this kind of shit, or so I hear. But in that time, people didn't think a movie was bad just because other people say it is. Today...well, EPISODE ONE came out, people said it sucked, so everybody found it cool to say it sucked. I mean, it's a great honour to criticize George Lucas, after all. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

And I didn't know Owen and Obi-Wan were brothers. I mean, I thought they mentioned they were close LIKE brothers I think but that's all. Anyway, who gives a fuck? As long as they're close enough for Obi to trust Owie with keeping Luke, that's ok with me.

C'mon, folks, I'm a big SW fan too, but hey! N'Sync in a cameo? No need to make a fuss, if they hadn't told ya you would probably never have noticed. And this? Who gives a shit? It's not important, people. Really not.

[ColinM]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by James Logan:
But in that time, people didn't think a movie was bad just because other people say it is. Today...well, EPISODE ONE came out, people said it sucked, so everybody found it cool to say it sucked. I mean, it's a great honour to criticize George Lucas, after all. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif</font>

I think what you said here is RIGHT ON.

[Scorchlord]

That's flawed logic. Episode I did suck, and was easily the worst of all the Star Wars movies.

[dmdubie]

Well, even though it may not be the best Star Wars movie ever made, I think it's still better than some of the other Sci-Fi movies that have come out lately (i.e. Battlefield Earth, Red Planet, Mission to Mars, Supernova, etc.).

But on the topic of Owen and Obi-Wan being brothers, the only thing that is canon in Star Wars is the movies, so I wouldn't put too much stock into anything said outside the movies. Plus, I have to agree with most other people here, I don't think many people are really going to care. If something as minor as this is enough to stop you from seeing the movie (which I doubt, you'll be seeing it http://www.joblo.com/ubb/tongue.gif), that's fine, leaves more room for me http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[gl2899]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dmdubie:
Well, even though it may not be the best Star Wars movie ever made, I think it's still better than some of the other Sci-Fi movies that have come out lately (i.e. Battlefield Earth, Red Planet, Mission to Mars, Supernova, etc.).

But on the topic of Owen and Obi-Wan being brothers, the only thing that is canon in Star Wars is the movies, so I wouldn't put too much stock into anything said outside the movies. Plus, I have to agree with most other people here, I don't think many people are really going to care. If something as minor as this is enough to stop you from seeing the movie (which I doubt, you'll be seeing it http://www.joblo.com/ubb/tongue.gif), that's fine, leaves more room for me http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif</font>


Id have to disagree with you somewhat. Ep1 TPM was way too childish. But youre probably right, I will probably end up seeing ep2 anyway and who knows, Maybe I'll love it and the franchise will be redeemed for me (hoping,hoping,hoping http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif) thank you all for your comments so far. Like I said before I have more to my life than Star Wars but It does hold some significance in my life (childhood) and some decisions Mr. Lucas makes seem to brush off older fans. But thats only this movie dorks opinion http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[APzombie]

all i have to say is that Phantom Menace was the worst piece of shite that ever hit the cinima (next to Mummy Returns). Was Lucas trying to pull our string seeing how far his fans would go before they pop? The only positive things i hear about jar jar is that he is a "cgi wonder" Bull shit... If it was a dude in a suit making all those retarded remarks and doing stupid things everyone would hate it, but Lucas is brainwashing us with to much butter on the popcorn that we end up swimming instead of enjoying a nice snack... Soon he will take over the world......

Revolt while you still can my brothers~!

[SIREN30]

Hey you Star Wars fans. This doesnt really have anything to do w/ this topic but I didnt feel like posting a new one so here's my question:

How many of you read the Star Wars books and for someone like me who has never read any of them, where would you suggest that I start? I think it's time I learn a little more about my favorite characters and the clone wars and all that bunk. So anyway, my dilemma is that when you to the bookstore the selection of different Star Wars themed books is a little overwhelming and I need to know what to start with and what I'm up against...thanks!

[James Logan]

Start with the Timothy Zahn novels. I ain't sure about their titles in English though. But if it's like here in France, at the beginning of the book there should be a chronology including all novels and movies.

[SIREN30]

Thanks James. Have you read the books yourself?

[Common Sense Man]

Yes the Timothy Zahn books are good but you must realize that some of the books Lucas does not acknowledge as official.

There are only a few things that Lucas takes as gospel.

Here they are:

CANONICAL

It *MUST* be noted that NOT everything with a STARWARS logo has the same status.
According to LucasFilm's own published criterion (StarWars Insider #1) *ONLY* the FILMS, the FILM NOVELS and the RADIOPLAYS can be considered "canonical" (the article actually also uses the word "gospel"). AND IN THAT ORDER - which means that the films over-ride the novels which in turn, over-ride the radioplays.

EVERYTHING ELSE is *not* canon. At best it can only be "official". Most of the STARWARS materials released in recent years are of a very poor standard, with regard to actual research and attention to detail. Sadly the marketing wing of Lucasfilm rigidly enforced a 'continuity policy" which meant that no one product should contradict another, so if a licensee, such as WestEndGames got in first with an "official" opinion, then EVERY other licensee was OBLIGED to follow along with it, REGARDLESS of potential error!

So you see any other book besides the official novels written by George can later be thrown out if George decides to change the story.

So read what you like but know that it may have nothing in common with any future project that George does.

Out...............

[Irene Manor]

People expect too much from Lucas. He's just a regular guy, not a Jedi Knight.

[SIREN30]

Thanks Commonsenseman...that was a lot of useful info. I have a friend who adores all the Star Wars books and encourages me to read them but I've always shied away from them for those very reason. I don't think it's respectful of some writers to override Lucas' original ideas. But I'll chk out the books you suggested...thanks again.

[The Rob]

you guys can bitch all you want but as long as you keep watching these pieces of ass he will keep making them.........

[ColinM]

Elegantly stated, The Rob. *sarcastic*

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SIREN30:
Hey you Star Wars fans. This doesnt really have anything to do w/ this topic but I didnt feel like posting a new one so here's my question:

How many of you read the Star Wars books and for someone like me who has never read any of them, where would you suggest that I start? I think it's time I learn a little more about my favorite characters and the clone wars and all that bunk. So anyway, my dilemma is that when you to the bookstore the selection of different Star Wars themed books is a little overwhelming and I need to know what to start with and what I'm up against...thanks!</font>

This has already been answered, but I'd like to throw my recommendation over to the original Timothy Zahn trilogy. It starts with Heir to the Empire, then Dark Force Rising, then The Last Command. They feature the best non-movie Star Wars characters (Talon Karrade, Mara Jade, Grand Admiral Thrawn), and they are definitely the best SW novels ever written. And they were the first ones written after the Star Wars revival (actually, they caused the SW Book revival).

They were the first ones I read and I loved them. I'm sure you will too.

[Common Sense Man]

Yes the Zahn books are the only SW books I have ever read and they melded well into the exsisting lore, plus they where very good reads.

I have shied away from all the others as there are just too many of them, where do you start.

Plus they seem too serialized, like all those cheesy star trek novellas.

Out....................

[James Logan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SIREN30:
Thanks James. Have you read the books yourself?</font>

Oh yeah I did. I got each and every one of 'em at home (but in French) and I kinda love 'em. The Timothy Zahn ones are the best, and most of the first ones are great too, but they're all pretty fun. But as they cover over twenty years of STAR WARS history, try reading them in the chronological order.

[SIREN30]

Thanks again for talking to me. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[James Logan]

Always a pleasure. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[chd567]

OK, here I go... I first saw Star Wars in 1978 when I was 8 I AM an Old school fan!! Not one of the “I saw all 3 Star Wars films on Video “ little KIDS! I have NEVER or ever will read any books, comic or other non MOVIE Star Wars item!!! I am a STAR WARS MOVIE FAN!!!! I Liked Episode 1 ... AND shoot me now as I think I’m the only person in the WORLD that LOVED...Jar-Jar! This George needed money that’s why he did the next three…BULLSHIT! Can you say THX or ILM or Lucas Film or Lucas Arts and so on!!!! HE did them because HE (George) WANTED TO!!!!!!!!! George wanted to go HOME! Listen (or read) what he has ALWAYS said about HIS Star Wars (yes it is his not the fans) experiences. HE is doing what HE wants & thinks is best for HIS story!!! HE is having fun, I for one love it! Episode II, I’m counting down the days!!!

[ColinM]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chd567:
OK, here I go... I first saw Star Wars in 1978 when I was 8 I AM an Old school fan!! Not one of the “I saw all 3 Star Wars films on Video “ little KIDS! I have NEVER or ever will read any books, comic or other non MOVIE Star Wars item!!! I am a STAR WARS MOVIE FAN!!!! I Liked Episode 1 ... AND shoot me now as I think I’m the only person in the WORLD that LOVED...Jar-Jar! This George needed money that’s why he did the next three…BULLSHIT! Can you say THX or ILM or Lucas Film or Lucas Arts and so on!!!! HE did them because HE (George) WANTED TO!!!!!!!!! George wanted to go HOME! Listen (or read) what he has ALWAYS said about HIS Star Wars (yes it is his not the fans) experiences. HE is doing what HE wants & thinks is best for HIS story!!! HE is having fun, I for one love it! Episode II, I’m counting down the days!!! </font>

Too bad you weren't here a week ago. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif