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Dumb-Fokker-**

12-20-2001, 06:37 PM

Jackson confirms changes
21 December 2001

The Lord of the Rings' director Peter Jackson confirmed yesterday that "one or two" liberties would be taken with J R R Tolkien's script in the second movie of the trilogy, The Two Towers.
As a warning to readers, this story reveals plot details for the first movie, The Fellowship of the Ring.

Under intensive scrutiny from Tolkien purists in the build-up to The Fellowship of the Ring, Wednesday's premiere revealed several changes from the book in the first movie, not all of them expected.

Yesterday, Jackson revealed "one or two" more departures from J R R Tolkien's script for the remaining two movies, starting with The Two Towers, due to be released next Christmas.

These included expanded roles for Rohan King Theoden (played by Bernard Hill), his nephew Eomer (played by New Zealander Karl Urban) and some other characters.

"Some (parts) are slightly bigger in some instances," Jackson said.

In The Fellowship of the Ring, the biggest change was the Jackson-invention of a Uruk-hai called Lurtz - but this had been known and anticipated for a long time.

The screening indicated Jackson's reasoning: he had brought forward the pivotal Boromir warrior death scene from the start of the second book to the end of the first movie to create a logical climax.

But doing so had created a "villain vacuum" for the closing stages, which Lurtz filled.

Other, more minor changes, included the testing of ranger Strider or Aragorn, by having him confront Frodo, also at the first movie's end.

And few would have expected to see a physical presence of the evil lord Sauron, though this was only to show the character's earlier form.

Jackson said that rough cuts had been made of all three films, though some pick-up shooting and "refining" would be required over the two years of production to go.

"It's just a case of polishing and all the special effects."

There were "a couple of hundred" effects shots to come.

Spoken to later, Weta Studios director Richard Taylor said, in some respects, that the completion of the later films would be easier than in the first.

That was because the fledgling industry crew had proved their mettle.

"We no longer have to step up to the mark," Taylor said.

At least he feels it necessary to let everyone know. He is gonna have a helluva job living up to this one.

HBO

12-21-2001, 12:23 AM

I saw "The Fellowship of the Ring" today and it is one of the best films ive seen all year. Defintly in the top 5. I didnt read the books and i dont plan on it. Two reasons: 1 i hate reading and 2 i dont want to ruin the sequels.
I dont wanna wait a whole nother year though dammit.

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-21-2001, 05:19 PM

I think alot of people had their expectations too high, but at least they still liked it. Yes the film has PERSONAL flaws (they dont bother me) but it was still a great film, and im glad it reached #1 at IMDb. Anyways, the movie made 9.7 million today, and now has about 27 million. Not bad, not bad at all for a Thursday before Christmas.

Common Sense Man

12-22-2001, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by HBO:
I didn't read the books and I don't plan on it. 

I can understand if you do not wish to read the books especially if you do not wish to spoil the plot, but now that you have seen the first one you should really read the first book at least.

You do not know how much character background you are missing out on! The movie will be totally different for you if you know the characters better.

Dude read it! you will thank me. Then see it again and you will really thank me.

And onto another issue, the whole Legolas/Gimli thing I have no doubt will be played up in the next film.

There where simply too many players for PJ to go into everyone's characters. He had to stick to the primaries and the ones that croaked.

I even was thinking in the theater, oh boy now that they are separated it is going to get really fun! Especially the Orc hunt with Aragorn/Legolas/Gimli.

Do not fret young Ringers it will only get better!

Out....

Ender

12-22-2001, 05:38 AM

Ringers? Oh man, if this is going to turn into some Star Trek/Wars type of phonemena, then we have got to come up with a better name for ourselves than that! Anyhow, I, for one, enjoyed seeing the small descrpencies in the film. Lurtz was a very cool character, I thought, and helped create a more solid antagonist for the film's finale. The testing of Aragorn was nice too, and I actually wish that it had been included in the book. I was also very happy with the unveiling of Sauron, as I always saw his abscence as the book's biggest flaw.

***FELLOWSHIP AND TWO TOWERS SPOILERS AHEAD***

Since the non-book reading percentage of the audience now believes Gandalf to be dead, I really hope they don't blow it by showing him in the TOWERS previews.

***END SPOILERS***

A character that no one seems to be discussing much but whom I'm very curious about is Aeowyn. Though it's a relativally small part, she's always been one of my favorite characters (I can't wait to see her fight with the Nazgul in RETURN, which I'm predicting Jackson will go all-out with), and I hope she's one of the "expanded" roles that PJ discussed. Does anyone know who was cast in the part, and how big her role is going to be?

Scorchlord

12-22-2001, 09:32 AM

A chick from down under named Mirando Otto. She was in the Thin Red Line (as the wife the one soldier fantasizes about being with again).

No real word on what her role will be like, but it better be darn good.

Common Sense Man

12-22-2001, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Ender:
Ringers? Oh man, if this is going to turn into some Star Trek/Wars type of phenomena, then we have got to come up with a better name for ourselves than that!

You know I did not even realize what I had said until I read my post after I submitted it. Then I was oh boy is this going to catch on we need to think of something else.

I have never been a freak fan but with LOTR I think I could come close. I will never be in costume in line however!

You have also brought up a topic I thought about last night. And something I have already posted in the other LOTR thread.

If people are afraid they will find out about the upcoming movies they need to stay out of these threads.

As you know there are several major secrets yet to be revealed and if they start bitching about how the movie was ruined by a post it will be their own fault. What do you think we will be talking about in here anyway!

I will still post warnings but not all will and I am sure there are some things I think are general LOTR knowledge that others may think are spoilers.

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Just to comment on your Gandalf comment, that is the exact secret I was thinking about.

My wife was pissed that he died. I told her to read the books before the movie but she said no. Now I do not want her to read them as she will spoil my surprise when he pops back up as Gandalf the White.

Too bad I have to wait over a year for the punch line to that gag.

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I once called the people who like Harry Potter "Potheads" too bad that one did not catch on!

Out........

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cutman

12-22-2001, 03:26 PM

**********SPOILERS*************

The Gandalf question is the same one that I brought up a while ago. I wonder if they will display Ian McKellan's name prominantly in the opening credits. I don't want to see Gandalf in the trailers or the credits.

cutman

12-22-2001, 08:01 PM

Spoilers:
Well, I personally loved the way Gandalf was brought slowly into The Two Towers, I thought it was done in quite a creepy manner. One moment we think it's Sauromon, and then the next it seems like a ghostly figure following Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn. Hopefully, if executed well in the film, the un-knowing audience will be puzzled then surprised.

What I can't wait for in The Two Towers:

The Ents. Their storming or Isengard should be spectacular to behold.

Gollum. If his very short glimpses in The Fellowship Of The Ring are anything to go by, he's going to be technically astounding.

And last, but by no means least:

Frodo and Sam's predicament with Shelob. I was disappointed with the Balrog, but a spider is a spider at the end of the day, so hopefully they'll inject something extra into it to make it visually astounding.

Like I have said before, once the films are seen in their proper context - as a trilogy - they'll probably be looked upon as the greatest works in cinema history (or one of the greatest).

Roll on Christmas 2002. It can't come soon enough.

Common Sense Man

12-22-2001, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by ak:
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The Ents. Their storming or Isengard should be spectacular to behold.


I was thinking about this today and pondering the question with all the caverns and chasms they opened up around Sarumans tower how are the Ents going to get close?

Just a thought to muck things up a bit.

Out.......

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-23-2001, 01:03 AM

ak, im surprised you were dissapointed with the Balrog. The CGI was great, it was genuinely intimadating, and was exactly as Tolkein described them - so they didnt really want to change them. I think you should see the film again, the Balrog is not in it very long, and you might have missed something.

Scorchlord

12-23-2001, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Common Sense Man:

I was thinking about this today and pondering the question with all the caverns and chasms they opened up around Sarumans tower how are the Ents going to get close?

Just a thought to muck things up a bit.

Out.......

Spoilers

The main roads are still intact, just like in the book; what the Ents do is flood the Ring of Isengard to drown out the orcs and wolves and wargs and and quench the fires from the machinery. Once that's done they just have to keep tabs on what's going on.

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-23-2001, 02:36 PM

Thats pretty much how it goes. The Ents dont actually do any fighting, but they do flood the place out, and than keep watch. Anyways, like most, I am now eagerly awaiting the DVD. I wanna know what you all want to see in it. Ill just add what I want to see added to the movie:

- more of the battle of the Last Alliance of Men and Elves

- more on how Gollum came to get the Ring and more on how Bilbo found it (i.e. a little bit of The Hobbit)

- more of life in the Shire after Bilbo leaves

- more of the "Shadows of the Past" scene

- more of Sam and Frodo traveling before they meet Merry and Pippin

- more of Merry, Sam, Pippin, and Frodos journey to Bree

- more dialouge with Strider in Bree

- more of the Companys journey to Weathertop (i.e. the marshes)

- more dialouge at Weathertop

- more of the Council of Elrond

- more of Aragorn and Arwen in Rivendell

- more on the Fellowships journey to Caradhras

- more at Caradhras

- more on the journey to Lothlorien

- more at Lothlorien (alot more)

- more on the Fellowships journey down the river

- more on Sarumans Urak-Hai (i.e. seeing more of them hatch)

Thats all I can think of (well, not really, but realistically) for the Fellowship DVD. That is just stuff I want to see added to the movie, what do you want to see on the DVD itself??

Common Sense Man

12-23-2001, 03:34 PM

Well, well, well DF you are sure thinking optimistically, I like that!

I would love to see all you stated added but realistically do you really think they shot all that?

Maybe a scene or two here and there or an extra line or two but you have whole new scenes.

Granted it would rock if PJ did include that, we shall have to wait and see I guess.

I did miss not hearing the line from Sam to Aragorn about him feeling fouler and seeming fair instead of feeling fair and seeming foul. I paraphrase.

What I can see are more additions to the battle scenes, stuff that they had to cut for the PG-13 rating.

And Lothlorien was majorly cut so it would be cool to see more, presenting the cloaks and such.

I really do not care if they show more of the Shire life after Bilbo leaves but yes more Sam and Frodo would be nice.

What ever is added it can only make it better.

I just hope they have two versions one original and possibly a Directors cut so the scenes will be included.

I hate having deleted scenes that you cannot actually put back into the movie.

Granted some suck and need to be cut but it would be nice to have a choice.

If they are not added into the movie it will suck harder than anything has ever sucked before! But I am sure PJ knows that and will not let us down.

Do you really think the FOTR DVD will come out before the next movie. I have my doubts.

Out......

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Scorchlord

12-23-2001, 04:42 PM

The Fellowship DVD comes out in August, it's official.

12-23-2001, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
ak, im surprised you were dissapointed with the Balrog. The CGI was great, it was genuinely intimadating, and was exactly as Tolkein described them - so they didnt really want to change them. I think you should see the film again, the Balrog is not in it very long, and you might have missed something.

I was not disappointed with the CGI of the Balrog, I was expecting this kind of design shown: (By John Howe). Or something remotely similar.

http://members.tripod.co.uk/mic88/Balrogog.jpg

Maybe I was setting my expectations a little high, but to create something as dynamic as that is not at all impossible.

I definately did not miss a thing, my eyes were glued through the entire film, definately that sequence, but as soon as the Balrog appeared on screen I just thought to myself "Is that it?".

But perhaps you're right. If I see it a second time I might appreciate it all more, instead of living on the adrenaline of seeing all these things. But I doubt my feelings of the Balrog's design will change.
Additional Note: Infact, I think I was disappointed with the whole Kazad-Dum sequence. When Gandalf smashes his staff down, I was expecting a blinding explotion of energy, instead he just stands there and walks back a bit.

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Dumb-Fokker-**

12-23-2001, 06:53 PM

Well, IMO the Balrog was great. Incredible even. It looked like a demon from the pits of hell,....and it was cool. And Common Sense Man. I can guarantee that almost everything I included up there was shot. There are pctures of Sam and Pippin in the marshes, of Elrond and Arwen talking, and you know that the original viewing was about 5 hours, before they edited. I too hope he includes it into the movie itself, but also gives the option to watch it without. Anyway that we could maybe send him an e-mail or make a list and send it to someone to send to him??

Benny

12-23-2001, 10:53 PM

After seeing "Fellowship" and loving it (10/10), The Two Towers has bolted to the top of my 2002 most wanted list! I can't wait till next December!

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-24-2001, 12:33 AM

I definately agree. I dont think im gonna hold out til next December. ...at least we`ll have the DVD to keep us company.

Ender

12-24-2001, 01:46 AM

DF's list just reinforces what I originally thought. Some people (generally those with short attention spans) are complaining that the movie was too long (personally, I don't think three hours is too much to ask when you're dealing with a story as huge as this, but I digress), but in my eyes, it was too short. Another 30 minutes, or hell, even more, would have been great, so that a few characters who where neglected (namely Sam, Gimley, and Legolas) could have been afforded proper screentime. Lengthening the Lothlorien scene would have been a great way to handle this.

Ender

12-24-2001, 01:46 AM

BTW, do you think we can actually keep this thread going for an entire year? I doubt it, personally, but you never know...

Common Sense Man

12-24-2001, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by Ender:
BTW, do you think we can actually keep this thread going for an entire year? I doubt it, personally, but you never know...

Ah you underestimate the power of this thread! It will continue!

And I agree about the length, it could have been two hours longer and I would have had no problem with it, well except maybe my bladder. But add an intermission and we are set.

Oh DF I pray that you are right about the extra scenes! I would gladly sit thru an extended Directors cut.

And who knows maybe after all three have been in the theaters some upstart will get a print of the longer versions to show.

August you say, great my Birthday is in August so I know what I want already!

I am off in about 8 hours to see it for the second time, sans my bottle of water. Can't wait.

Out....

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-24-2001, 02:36 PM

I have now seen it 3 times, and I must say,....all this talk about Legolas, and Gimli, and Sam, and their lack of character development is unfounded. My girlfriend, who has never read the book, didnt have a problem following who was who, and she knew quite a bit about them (from what is shown in the movie). She knew that Sam was a simple, and caring person, she knew that he had a crush on Rosie, she knew that he would die for Frodo. I think after you see the film once or twice youll notice things that people who have never read the book, noticed the first time. I know, in my anticipation, that I was carrying far too much baggage with me, and enjoyed it so much on my 2nd and 3rd time, that I will go see it again. And once more when they go and include a Two Towers trailer at the end of he movie. Anyways, Ender, I think we can keep it going all year. Just think about it. We can discuss every bit of information that pops up, and we can talk about the forthcoming trailers, and the updates to the official site. Thats really what I want to do with this thread; discuss the films, and any news that anyone finds on them. And im almost positive that those scenes (or some of them) were filmed. Hell, a few are even in the trailer. Did anyone notice that the large army shot from ALL of the trailers wasnt in the movie?? Or the scene where the Lothlorien elves are putting something on the Fellowships heads??

Common Sense Man

12-24-2001, 06:47 PM

Yes!!!!!!!!!

I knew I was not insane DF!

I just saw it again today, fantastic! but I was looking for a couple of things that I saw in the trailer that where not in the film.

I had not noticed the big army sequence but you are right it is not in there.

Also when Gandalf says "It must be destroyed" I did not notice that either but I may be mistaken as I was getting caught up in the flick and it was hard to remember to watch for things like that.

Also in the trailer it shows a shot of Aragorn dodging an arrow and it looks like it goes thru his hair. I think Legolas is shooting the arrow and killing something behind him.

You see Aragorn looking at the camera then he dodges and the arrow goes past, it was very short in the trailer but I remember saying to myself I can't wait for that scene.

Now this is common practice in Hollywood and I have seen it in many other movies. But if you think about it they have more footage than what was just in this one movie.

Maybe it is from the next flicks or maybe it was cut and will be put back in on the DVD.

And what is up with the TT trailer! Did I miss something by not sitting thru the credits! Tell me it ain't so!

If they are planning on including the trailer at the end eventually I want to know so I can see it.

I have seen it twice now and loved it even more. I agree the characters where fleshed out good, and if you paid attention you could gain much about their relationships.

Especially in Lothlorien when the Queen is talking with innuendo about who is sound and who is flawed.

But yes the Gimli/Legolas rivalry will be fun to watch in the next flick.

Out.......

Ender

12-25-2001, 01:32 AM

I didn't think that Legolas, Gimley, or Sam where underdeveloped per se (I should have used a different term in my initial post), just that they didn't get as much attention as they should have.

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-25-2001, 01:47 PM

Yes, those scenes were left out. Im sure they`ll be in the DVD. As for the Two Trailers trailer. A 10 minute trailer (with scenes of dialouge, and actiong and such) will be released with Fellowship in March or Febuary, because New Line thought it would be tacky to add it on its initial release,....plus they wanted to make more money. .....not a bad idea.

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-25-2001, 01:55 PM

Thought you`d like to see this.

Peter Jackson spoke with the Chicago Sun-Times about the second Lord of the Rings movie - The Two Towers. Although the movie will be released next Christmas, director Peter Jackson says he has some qualms about the title, given the horrific events of Sept. 11. "It's true that I've thought about what that title means now, I just pray that by the time the second movie comes out, it won't cause any controversy." "It's a 50-year-old book. We can't change the title. Tolkien fans would crucify us."

Jackson says the pivotal action scene from part two will be the Battle of Helms Deep. "It's a battle that will kick your a--," Jackson promises. "It's the Uraki vs. the elves and the men at Helms Deep, which is an old fort. Let me just say it's very bloody."

Also expect more of the character Gollum, the big-eyed monkeylike creature from the first film. "He's a computer-generated character voiced by Andy Serkis, but don't expect him to be another Jar Jar Binks," says Jackson.

"He's a bit good and a bit bad. He's really a tortured character. He has been corrupted by the ring," Jackson adds. "He has really become a shriveled shadow of himself."

He goes on to say how Aragorn and Arwen's relationship will develop in the next movie "We get a little deeper into the love story between Aragorn and Arwen. We see how much they really mean to each other."

Common Sense Man

12-25-2001, 08:28 PM

You where right....Tell your sister you where right.... cough, cough, ack!

Hey just channeling a little Anakin there!

But yes DF I am glad to here that about TT.

And I am telling you now if they try to rename it I am getting in my car coming over to your place and we are getting out our are ass whooping bats and heading to New Line Corporate Headquarters for some skull crackin.

But realistically there is no way they can change it, people are bitching now about changes to FOTR they would go insane over a title change, and I have to admit I would be right there with them.

How is it disrespectful?, the book was written decades ago and has nothing to do with New York!

I think PJ will stick to his guns on this. And I am sure Tolkiens estate would have something to say about it as well, who knows maybe ol' J.R.R. himself would rouse himself over such an insult.

Oh and Merry Christmas!

Just have your bat standing by DF.

Out.......

Scorchlord

12-26-2001, 09:27 AM

Well, at least we know a few things about the Two Towers. The elves are now at Helm's Deep and Arwen apparently is, too. That's a DRASTIC change from the book, and one I don't necessarily agree with. To be honest, the 5 minutes of love in FOTR were unnecessary (probably to be fleshed out in TT and ROTK). But dammit...I don't want elves at Helm's Deep! That just kills the whole idea that Elves are fading in Middle-Earth. It's a grievous change that I don't much care for.

DF, are you sure the trailer they're going to show is 10 minutes long? That's insane.

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-26-2001, 04:34 PM

It isnt really going to be a trailer, it is going to be a trailer/scenes from the movie. At least thats what it is supposed to be.

dicaprio_travolta_man

12-26-2001, 05:24 PM

I recieved the LOTR books for christmas and I started reading the first part of "The Two Towers" and from what I read Peter Jackson did not follow the books very well because what happens near the end of the movie FOTR, really happens at the beginning of the book "The Two Towers" someone explain to me what is going on here because I am very confused http://www.joblo.com/ubb/confused.gif, I mean what the hell is happening???? Also at the end of the book FOTR it has Frodo and Sam going down the river to Mount Doom (I think), but in the movie it shows Frodo and Sam on a hilltop. Now that's odd. From what I have read so far PJ didn't do a very good job at following the book, maybe that's why Tolkien's reletives are furious with the movie. If PJ did stray from the book in the end I'd say that he's trying a little to hard to get that cinematography award this March. My only hope is that he will make The Two Towers according to the book and not worry about getting an Oscar.

P.S. If they even thought about changing the title the late but great J.R.R. Tolkien would roll over in his grave, and if they did change the title I think Tolkien himself would rise from the dead and haunt the guy's for years to come http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif. Just A Thought http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif.

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Dumb-Fokker-**

12-26-2001, 05:32 PM

DCT,...why dont you read the first book first?? Than maybe youll understand. I have read the book enough times to know that PJ did a great job adapting this book for a movie. You cant very well make the movie exactly like the book, because it would be too long, and the book is not structured to be a movie. Now, go and start the first book, and if you already read it, read it again, because you obviously didnt pay much attention. And do you really think that PJ could just end the movie without showing what happened to Boromir, and Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli. No, of course not. And as for Frodo and Sam. They did exactly what they did in the book. Got in a boat, went across the river, and got out and walked down into the valley of Emyn Muil. Before critisizing someone for not doing a good job, maybe you should be a little more familiar with the source material.

dicaprio_travolta_man

12-26-2001, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
DCT,...why dont you read the first book first?? Than maybe youll understand. I have read the book enough times to know that PJ did a great job adapting this book for a movie. You cant very well make the movie exactly like the book, because it would be too long, and the book is not structured to be a movie. Now, go and start the first book, and if you already read it, read it again, because you obviously didnt pay much attention. And do you really think that PJ could just end the movie without showing what happened to Boromir, and Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli. No, of course not. And as for Frodo and Sam. They did exactly what they did in the book. Got in a boat, went across the river, and got out and walked down into the valley of Emyn Muil. Before critisizing someone for not doing a good job, maybe you should be a little more familiar with the source material.

There is absolutely no reason for you to get pissed at me young man. I'm sorry maybe I'm not as smart as you or maybe I'm not a big LOTR FREAK like you are, I wasn't disrespecting the man I was just asking a question, maybe you should pay more attention to the post I wrote because I specificly use the term IF, calm yourself down, then I will calm myself I jus wanted an answer to my question. I'm not lashing out against you beloved Peter Jackson.

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Dumb-Fokker-**

12-26-2001, 06:54 PM

No need for hostility. I was just pointing out that you shouldnt critisize someones work, when you are the one that is wrong. Im not going to argue about it, because you were, in fact, wrong. Now - its over.

12-26-2001, 07:40 PM

Spoilers

Seriously, any small percentage of common sense would make a person realise that they could not, for the life of them, leave the beginning of The Two Towers where it was. The death of Boromir happens at the very beginning of TTT, and to leave it in filmic form for a whole year would make that moment lose a lot of emotion and dramatic impact. People would go into the cinema and just not care that he's dying, cause they'd be vague in remembering details from FOTR.

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Common Sense Man

12-26-2001, 10:07 PM

Anger Rising..... Pressure Building.... This is only a message forum..... Ahhh pressure dropping.... rage receding...

Hey I have read the books three times but the last time was over 10 years ago. So I did not remember that ol Boromir croaked at the beginning of the TT.

But I agree it would have been hard to start a movie that way.

You have to look at it like this. Or at least this is how I look at it.

This is one big movie containing all the books. It is not three parts but just one big part that has really long intermissions.

So Boromirs death fit in just right.

If you try and pick up a book and say okay her on page 300 this happens but it did not happen until the second movie you will go insane.

Once you have read all three books you will have the overall picture and then the movie will just become one large experience.

It will not matter what movie this or that happened in as long as it was in the time line of the story because it is essentially one story and one movie.

Out........

Puck Bond

12-27-2001, 12:42 AM

I now have seen FOTR twice....loved it both times btw.

Anyway I recieved The Hobbit, FOTR and TTT for Christmas...the bookstore was all out of ROTK according to my sister, so I'll pick it up later...I already started reading The Hobbit...am I doing the right thing, should I just skip it and read Fellowship first or does it matter?

Also, will New Line re-release FOTR in Feb, March with the TTT footage...or will the movie still be playing then and they'll just add the TTT footage. Just wondering cause I definately wanna see that.

Also I bought the soundtrack today, its awesome, I just love the music from this film...I've been listening to it for 4 hours on repeat...it makes me relive the scenes in my head with the way the score is layed out.

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-27-2001, 12:49 AM

New Line will send out all new reels with the extra footage on it. And im hoping that when they do this, they add the scenes they deleted from the movie back in, so that we can see it on the big screen. Man, everyone would go back and see it again with all that extra footage, plus a Two Towers trailer. .....shit that would be great.

Ender

12-27-2001, 03:05 AM

On the subject of Fellowship's ending:

I think Jackson made the right move shifting Boromir's death scene to the end of Fellowship. It was a pivotal event, and as such it helped provide more closure for the first story than there was initially. It also sets up a better frame for TTT, with Sam and Frodo heading off to Mordor while Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli try to rescue Merry and Pippin. Everything is much more in order now than it would be if they had taken it verbatum from the books.

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-27-2001, 11:56 PM

Lord of the Rings grossed alot (forgot how much) of money today, and Ali dropped big time. I has made 107 million in the US and broke the Austrailian box-office record set by TPM, making 4.2 while Phantom made 2.1. Not bad. Anyways, the first film is paid for. So, what is everyones prediction for final domestic, and world-wide gross. Oh, and anyone who finds the box-office numbers, post them in here plz. Thanks.

dicaprio_travolta_man

12-28-2001, 02:46 PM

These are Wednesday's numbers, I hope there the ones you want:

December, 26, 2001

Daily Gross Gross to Date
LORD OF THE RINGS: 13.95, 108.00
ALI: 5.81, 16.02
OCEAN'S ELEVEN: 4.60, 106.61
JIMMY NEUTRON: 3.88, 22.43
HARRY POTTER: 3.39, 271.20
VANILLA SKY: 2.96, 52.46
KATE AND LEOPOLD: 2.83, 5.39
A BEAUTIFUL MIND: 1.78, 4.28
MONSTERS, INC.: 1.58, 227.93
HOW HIGH: 1.49, 11.27

- I think LOTR will have very strong legs until Black Hawk Down opens, then it will probaly fall a little bit, anyway it should end up with around 315 million. I would have posted thursday's numbers but I couldn't find them.

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LordKaruku

12-28-2001, 03:04 PM

I early on was predicting grosses in the $250 million range, but the film seems to be really catching on with the public at large. I saw it again last night (Thursday) and it was a sold out auditorium, mostly of adults, who were gasping, cheering, and crying along with it. Making $13 million a day going into a weekend is astonishing... I'm upping my guess to $350 million at least, by the time the Two-Towers-trailer-at-the-end version leaves the second run theaters sometime in June. And then of course there's the 2nd and 3rd installments, which can't possibly be any worse and might actually be better...

If I were a New Line executive, I'd be a happy camper right now.

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-28-2001, 04:34 PM

Black Hawk Down isnt going to stop LotR. It is rated R and is a brutal portrayal of something that people dont wanna see right now.

Scorchlord

12-28-2001, 04:48 PM

And isn't getting particularly great reviews on the whole, is produced my Mr. Shlock and No Substance Jerry Bruckheimer, and directed by one of the most overrated directors in the history of cinema.

dicaprio_travolta_man

12-28-2001, 05:12 PM

I was just stating what I think, and I think Black Hawk Down will top LOTR because first of all people do want to see it, second of all LOTR would have been out a month already and anybody who's somebody has seen it, third of all it's a film that is based on a true story, a film that is based on an event that only took place 8 years ago, and it dosen't matter if the movie is getting bad reveiws (in reality it's on over 50 critic's top 10 list's) people will see it anyway, we might care what the critics think, but the regular public dosen't seem to give a flying fuck about the critics, example: Pearl Harbor made 198 million in the U.S. despite bad reveiws from critics, yes it is based on an actuall event so that is why people came to see it, but remember BHD is also based on an actuall event. I expect BHD to do really well here in the U.S. and do massive business oversea's, and let us not forget that Jerry Bruckheimer movies usally end up being Blockbusters (Pearl Harbor, Armageddon, The Rock, etc.). But i'm going to stop talking now because I don't really want to turn this into a Black Hawk Down arguement. So let's continue on with LOTR, shall we??

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Scorchlord

12-28-2001, 07:51 PM

Exactly how do you know people wanted to see Pearl Harbor because it was based on a true event?

I don't give a crap one way or another about Black Hawk Down, mostly because of the people involved with it. Not only that, I've had more than enough suffering and misery this year to watch a FILM that will NEVER capture the true feel of what happened. I watched a documentary on it a few years back, that showed real footage of it. The movie won't even come close.

SubMethod

12-28-2001, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Scorchlord:
Exactly how do you know people wanted to see Pearl Harbor because it was based on a true event?

I don't give a crap one way or another about Black Hawk Down, mostly because of the people involved with it. Not only that, I've had more than enough suffering and misery this year to watch a FILM that will NEVER capture the true feel of what happened. I watched a documentary on it a few years back, that showed real footage of it. The movie won't even come close.

I can't believe Im saying this, but I agree with D_T_man that people went to see Pearl Harbor because of the event it was based on. Pearl Harbor was the first time the U.S. had been attacked and when they made a huge multi-million dollar picture about it you know people would be interested. Now, many were dissapointed, but I still agree that they went to see it because of what it was based on. And, I think lots of people will go see Black Hawk Down because of the events it was based on, whether or not it is true to the events and shows the suffering.

12-28-2001, 08:53 PM

Please.....

Do NOT turn this into an argument/discussion on Pearl Harbor and Black Hawk Down - Go and open a new thread, or post in the existing Pearl Harbor thread in the general forum.

This is a Lord Of The Rings discussion, let's keep it that way......

SubMethod

12-28-2001, 08:59 PM

Im completely through with what I have to say about it. I just felt like posting it because I actually agreed with d_t_man and that is something that will likely never happen again.

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-28-2001, 10:45 PM

lol; yes, lets keep it that way. You know, I was at Toys R US with my mom, shopping for my little brother (and I got myself a bunch of the LotR action figures, which are great)...(I collect action figures)...and the lady who rung us up asked us if we saw it, and said she loved it and was going to see it again, yadda yadda yadda. Anyways, im surprised at how many woman love this movie. Before it came out everyone was saying it wouldnt have a good B.O. because it didnt appeal to anyone but boys, and not teenagers at that - shit were they wrong. And, I dont think everyone who is anyone will have seen the movie by than DCT. Alot of people simply havent had the time or the money to go to the movies right now, and once holidays calm down, and WOM keeps spreading (which it will, especially because of the awards shows) alot of people are gonna go see it, and when they like it go see it again. Not to mention that the TT trailer type thingy at the end will bring tons of people back. I predict that it is the top-grosser of the year, and when all added up (domestic, and foreign) that it is one of the top 5 all-time world-wide grossing films. It is breaking records everywhere. It made 10 million in France (I forget if that is total or one day or something) but I definately saw te word record in the article. The next two are gonna be even bigger, with their huge battles, and such. ....cant wait.

Scorchlord

12-28-2001, 11:08 PM

What an odd coincidence. My sister bought me my belated Christmas present today, and lo and behold! It was a Ringwraith and horse deluxe set. The thing kicks major ass and looks extremely creepy sitting on my desktop (I fixed it so the "glowing red eye" action is permanent.

dh1989

12-29-2001, 12:09 AM

I was hoping for some LOTR action figures this Christmas. I had been hinting around to friends and family. But as I ripped open my packages at my parent's home no LOTR action figures at all. I was very dissapointing. Those jerks got me "Monsters Inc." figures. i could not believe it. I am not 6. It was funny and all but no LOTR. So later that day I drove to the local toy shop and went to the LOTR action figure aisle. Which had been completely wiped out. only three figures left(which were priced up to $15.00/each. So I started my colllection with Saruman, Newborn Lurtz(awesome figure), and Legolas. And then somehow a hard board poster of Samwise Gamgee and another of Boromir fell of the wall. And then they found themselves hidden behind a bench and then they just fell into my trunk. So I start my LOTR collection room and I can't wait for my Strider, Witch-King Ringwraith, and Meriadoc Brandybuck to arrive.

P.S. I was wondering if anyone knew if they make a Gimli figure. i can find it nowehere online.

dicaprio_travolta_man

12-29-2001, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by SubMethod:
Im completely through with what I have to say about it. I just felt like posting it because I actually agreed with d_t_man and that is something that will likely never happen again.

You seriously seriously dislike me don't you http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif?

Anyway, I agree with you 100% Dumb Fokker I think LOTR will likely find itself at #2 on the all time list, I don't think it can touch Titanic's record though. I didn't mean to say that BHD was going to beat LOTR at the end of the year at the top grossing film, let me rephrase what I said I think BHD will be the one movie to take #1 from LOTR, but at the end of the year LOTR will be the one movie to rule them all (no pun intended), WOM definetly matter's, so people that were not interested before might want to check it out to see what all the hype is about. Actually, something really cool happened today I was talking to a customer at the movie theatre I work at giving him suggestions of what to see and he said he wasn't at all interested in LOTR because it looked like poor filmmaking with a wretched plot, so I talked to him and explained the plot and how great of a movie it is and he agreed, he bought tickets and went straight to the auditorium it was playing in, came out and said and I qoute "I was completely blown away, the movie is terrific, definetly the years best" Damn, I guess word of mouth does mean something afterall.

Scorchlord

12-29-2001, 11:50 AM

You paid 15 dollars for one of the figures? Man, that's nuts. You should have waited until a new shipment came in and you could have bought 2 for 16.

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-29-2001, 12:54 PM

Yeah, seriously. You got ripped off. But anyways, I have: Aragorn, Frodo, Samwise, Merry Pippin and the Moria Orc, Boromir and Lurtz, Legolas, Gimli, and the King Ringwraith. Im collecting them, but im not keeping them in the boxes. I have no intentions of selling any of them. Anyways, I still need Saruman, Newborn Lurtz, the Orc Overseer, and Gandalf. I am also looking for the figures on horses, and the Cave Troll. ......man,......we`re nerds. lol

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-29-2001, 04:59 PM

Ian McKellen says Lord Of The Rings fans will see a different Gandalf in the next film.
McKellen says the wizard won't look the same when he returns in The Two Towers.

He says Gandalf will be seen looking younger and "not bumbling."

"He has even trimmed his beard," McKellen tells www.suntimes.com. (http://www.suntimes.com.)

"He's wearing white samurai clothes in the second one. He rides a white horse. He's a commander. He's not bumbling any more."

I didnt think he was "bumbling", but I think he would know better than I would.

12-29-2001, 07:06 PM

I don't know if any of you lot saw it, but there was a picture of Gandalf The White on the net a few months back, fighting at Helms Deep. He looked pretty much the same, although he did look slightly younger. His clothing looked more like Saruman's did.

Scorchlord

12-29-2001, 07:09 PM

That picture is actually my desktop background. You can see Arwen, too. Sigh.

I have lots of Christmas money, but I don't know if I'm going to buy any more LOTR figures. I have hundreds of Star Wars figures, and don't intend to start up again...

Besides, I need a CD-RW drive. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

12-29-2001, 07:12 PM

Arwen? Where? I'm sure I saw Legolas in the image, but I can't remember seeing Arwen. Where in the image was she?

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-30-2001, 01:31 AM

http://www.lordoftheringsmovie.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=436811#post436811

You should all go there, register, and sign that. It is a petition to get a really long DVD of the film.

12-30-2001, 07:31 AM

Honestly though, Peter Jackson's not going to take note of a petition. He's a creative man, he'll make the creative decisions.

Scorchlord

12-30-2001, 10:33 AM

The picture of Arwen isn't really clear (in fact, it might not be her - but I think it is).

Horror whore

12-30-2001, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
You should all go there, register, and sign that. It is a petition to get a really long DVD of the film.

I read in Entertainment Weekly that Peter Jackson has said the DVD version would be 3 hours and 35 minutes....

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12-30-2001, 12:04 PM

I'd gladly sit and watch LOTR for that time....DVD = Even better. At least you can have your own personal intermission so you don't get deep-vein thrombosis.

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-30-2001, 04:25 PM

theonering.net and lordoftheringsmovie.com both posted an article with PJ that said that the DVD would have an extra hour, added to the movie itself. And ak, today, the creator of that thread is going to contact theonering.net, and some other sites, and get some sites to post link. PJ has been known to take an incredible amount of fan input with this film, so I think he would definately take notice. Anyways,...I think the longer the DVD the better. What I most want to see added to is The Council of Elrond, Lothlorien, and more traveling. That would be good.

12-30-2001, 06:14 PM

The guy's just created one of the most successful trilogies of all time, whatever decision he makes with the DVD people are still going to be really happy, and spend their money anyways.
Jackson is going to put as much as he can on the disk, and release the film with extra scenes on it no matter what, he's stated that from the first moment.
He's not going to pay much attention to what people want. He KNOWS already what they want.

Also, you've got to think from New Line's point of view. If they put everything the fans want on one dvd edition, then there's nothing left to make even more money from an "ultimate" dvd, which will definately happen.

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Dumb-Fokker-**

12-30-2001, 06:41 PM

Well, actually I think they will have enough stuff to release all of the deleted scenes, and still release an"ultimate DVD". Theres commentarys, and interviews, and tours, and info, and games, and all kinds of shit. By the way - Lord of the Rings made like, 37 million this weekend bringing it to 145 million.

Common Sense Man

12-30-2001, 06:42 PM

Yes I agree that eventually there will be an Ultimate release, maybe after all the movies are out.

Could they fit all three extended versions on one disk? That would indeed be Ultimate.

But I predict at least 2 or 3 versions of each movie on DVD before the final incarnation is released, whatever that may be.

Can you imagine the size of a boxed completed set of all movies with all extras, it would be massive, I would buy it but it would be massive indeed.

And I am not a junior schmoe, I'm not, WHAAAAAAAA http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif

Out.....

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12-30-2001, 07:01 PM

New Line will snatch people's money, just you watch.

Dumb-Fokker-**

12-30-2001, 07:27 PM

Well, really the trilogy was paid for the firs tweekend of the films release. All the marketing and such. They should be extremely pleased, because this film is massive, and the next two will be bigger. Shit, I know I would be happy.

12-30-2001, 07:33 PM

New Line will be very happy, but want to be happier. They'll sell a lot of merchandise, put out different dvd versions and abuse people....there's nothing special about them, everyone does it......and why not? If people are silly enough to get tangled up in such things (Some may think it's not silly, but, after studying the media for a few years, it is), so be it.

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FlickJunkie

12-30-2001, 08:20 PM

How will they start the second one? Will it just pick up where Frodo and Sam were on top of that mountain or what? I wonder how they will start The Two Towers? What are the two towers? It was pretty clear what The Fellowship was but what are the Two Towers? Was LOTR just one book that this trilogy was based on or was it more than one book?

*note - I have not read the book(s), obviously.

Common Sense Man

12-30-2001, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by FlickJunkie:
How will they start the second one? Will it just pick up where Frodo and Sam were on top of that mountain or what? I wonder how they will start The Two Towers? What are the two towers? It was pretty clear what The Fellowship was but what are the Two Towers? Was LOTR just one book that this trilogy was based on or was it more than one book?

*note - I have not read the book(s), obviously.

Dude, you are making my Tolkien sense tingle, more than one book!? YES!!!!!!

Hey I do not mean to be harsh I know there are people out there who have never heard of Tolkien or LOTR before... I shudder.

Yes it is basically one large story but it was written in three books. Which you have already mentioned.

Who knows how the next movie will start but I suspect it will simply pick right back up but I doubt it will start with Frodo and Sam in the mountains but with another story thread all together.

This story is EPIC, EPIC I say! You really need to read the books but I would suggest just the Hobbit and FOTR for now save the Two Towers for after you see the next movie. That then read it and see the movie again.

As I have said before knowing the background makes FOTR 100% more enjoyable.

Tolkien is the father of all modern fantasy, this is a story few other stories can even come close to.

Out........

Scorchlord

12-30-2001, 09:24 PM

It will probably pick up with Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli chasing Merry and Pippin. In the book, there are two different arcs: one contains Aragorn and company in the first half, the other Frodo and Sam in the second half. PJ has said that he's not doing that; he'll be interspersing the two stories together.

As for the Two Towers, one of them involves Isengard, the other a very nasty place in Mordor that could spell the doom of Frodo and Sam.....

dicaprio_travolta_man

12-31-2001, 01:00 PM

I just saw FOTR for the third time last night and got to thinking if:

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS!!!!!
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- Gandalph was really dead. When he let go of the ledge he did it without hesitation, I have never read the books so my guess is that he set them (the fellowship) up so they could go on without him. I mean the guys a wizard he could just float or levitate before hitting the ground. I heard he was returning in Two Towers but my question is this is it going to be him I mean really him and not some spirit (I've heard that numerous amount of times) Anybody know anything about this, is Gandalph dead or not??

Scorchlord

12-31-2001, 01:16 PM

I know, but I'm not saying because it would be an enormous spoiler.

12-31-2001, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Scorchlord:
I know, but I'm not saying because it would be an enormous spoiler.

Spoilers:
Not as big a spoiler as people knowing he's alive in The Two Towers. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Suffice to say, I think he dropped himself just so he didn't have to put up with being a sodding old git anylonger http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

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Dumb-Fokker-**

12-31-2001, 04:32 PM

Yes, he does come back, but he is dead. He died when he fell, and

**SPOILERS**

Comes back as Gandalf the White (replacing Saruman) instead of Gandalf the Grey.

dicaprio_travolta_man

12-31-2001, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Yes, he does come back, but he is dead. He died when he fell, and

**SPOILERS**

Comes back as Gandalf the White (replacing Saruman) instead of Gandalf the Grey.

So does this mean that Gandalph becomes the lead wizard as Saruman moves in with the dark forces?? Or doesn't Saurman return in Two Towers.

12-31-2001, 09:19 PM

Gandalf becomes a more powerful, stronger (both mentally and physically) character in The Two Towers, and yes, Saruman returns.

By the way, I love the way Gandalf is introduced back into the story in the book of The Two Towers - Is it Sarumon? Is it Gandalf?.
I found it genuinely chilling. Especially the bit by the fire, with Gimli (those who have read the books will know what I'm in about).

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Dumb-Fokker-**

12-31-2001, 10:34 PM

Im just gonna take the time to wish everyone a happy, and safe New Years. Try not to have too much fun; in fact, dont have any fun at all. .......ok, maybe just a little, but thats it. Might as well throw in something Lord of the Rings related: Lord of the Rings has been rated the #1 movie of the year, by TV Guide.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-01-2002, 12:51 AM

http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots/Book1_APrologue.htm

This link has A TON of images of scenes that were filmed, but not in the film. Especially concerning the Last Alliance, and the Midgewater Marshes!!

LordKaruku

01-01-2002, 03:17 PM

If PJ's going for thematic unity, I'm guessing Two Towers will start off with another Galadriel voice over black, saying something about how "The fate us the world rested upon the smallest of hopes" or something. The we'll see the "Lord of the Rings" title. Then we'll get a several minute sequence summarizing the story so far. Then we'll have a sweeping shot of the orcs running with Merry and Pippin, the title "The Two Towers" and we'll be off!

Can you tell I've been trying to watch it in my mind already? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

01-01-2002, 06:29 PM

I don't think you can just open a huge epic - You can't just sweep into a shot, it just wouldn't fit. We need a grand opening. Just look at Star Wars, or something. It worked very well for Fellowship, grabbing the audiences attention straight away.
Although, there is the problem that it could sound patronising, as if they're treating the audience as though they're stupid. "Duh, we can remember a whole year you know".....but, it'll be handled in a decent way.

You could have Cate Blanchett (again) saying something along these lines:

"Sauron's dark armies have grown, spreading farther across the lands of Middle-Earth.
The ring-bearer, young Frodo and his loyal companion Sam, walk further into the distant unknown, their mission increasingly dangerous, more urgent than ever before.
Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli, part of the remaining company, still in search of the young hobbits - Pippin and Merry, can only hope that Frodo completes his mission of destroying the one ring in the Cracks Of Doom, and that evil be done forever....

The Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers.

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SubMethod

01-01-2002, 07:35 PM

How awesome would it be if that's what she ends up saying?

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-02-2002, 01:07 AM

Other missing scenes reported so far :-
- Lots of stuff from the Prologue, including the full story of Smeagol/Deagol

- The hobbits at the Green Dragon Inn (film stills)

- Gandalf saying "The choice, it seems, is to submit to you or Sauron. I shall do neither!" (E! Online set report)

- Sam's father, the Gaffer (film stills)

- Sam and Frodo see elves leaving in boats after they depart(film stills - probably the most common pic used in magazines)

- The hobbits and Strider/Aragorn acquire Bill the pony

- Crossing The midgewater marshes(film stills)

- The hobbits and Aragorn hear wolves howling in the forest (saw this on an early preview)

- The hobbits and Aragorn talk about the trolls turned to stone from the HObbit (if you look fast, you will see those stone trolls, after
weathertop)(film stills)

- Gandalf gets up to speak at the Council of Elrond(film stills)

- Frodo watching Arwen in Rivendell (E! Online set report)

- Elrond talking to Arwen in Rivendell (film still)

- Gandalf and Elrond discussing Gollum's escape (E! Online set report)

- Elrond bidding farewell to the Fellowship (E! Online set report)

- Merry and Pippin standing behind Gimli in Moria, looking at something (Balin's tomb maybe?) (film still, commonly used in magazine
articles)

- Sam's "fireworks" contribution to Frodo's poem about Gandalf (LOTR Celebration video)

- Fellowship being pursued by arrow-shooting Orcs into Lothlorien, but being saved by Elven archers (E! Online set report, trailer)

- Fellowship being pulled up into trees by Elves (E! Online crew interview)

- Fellowship on Haldir's flet (film crew)

- Gimli becoming smitten by Galadriel (John Rhys-Davies interview)

- Elven maidens running through Lothlorien (trailer)

- Elven folk giving cloaks to Fellowship (trailer)

- More Frodo/Galadriel conversation (various stills, trailer, ect.)

- Galadriel giving daggers to Merry and Pippin (film still)

- Galadriel in her swan boat (film still)

- Merry and Pippin talking to Boromir in the elven boat (film still)

Thought you all might like to see that. I posted a link above that shows alot of pictures of these scenes. You should ceck them out.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-02-2002, 01:09 AM

http://community.webshots.com/album/27575792LGcEIoxhXa

That link shows some more pictures of scenes that arent included in the film. Oh, and if anyone knows where you can find downloads of the NEW Fellowship commercials with the critics comments, it would be appreciated. I already have the first one, but I saw another awesome one, and havent been able to find it.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-02-2002, 09:31 PM

Ok, here is a question: if you havent heard PJ is a little apprehesive about the title of the next movie in the Lord of the Rings trilogy. He has already stated that he doesnt plan on changing the name of the film, but if he was, what would you want it to be called??

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-03-2002, 10:23 PM

What to Expect in the Other Lord of the Rings Films
Also, get the scoop on FOTR cut-scenes, box office results, and the possibility of a Hobbit film.
by Paul Davidson
2002-01-03

While I and other countless Lord of the Rings fans are still drooling over the trilogy's first marvelous installment, director Peter Jackson and his production crew are making great progress on the other two films: The Two Towers and The Return of the King. According to Dark Horizons, Jackson dropped hints to the press during some recent interviews and press conferences that were held in conjunction with the first movie's opening. They have a fairly complete rough cut of The Two Towers already finished, as well as a loosely assembled cut of Return of the King. Both films will be between two-and-a-half and three hours in length with 500 to 600 effects shots, much like the first movie.

Jackson confirmed that the Ents and Treebeard will be playing an important role in The Two Towers as in the book. Faramir, son of the Steward of Gondor, and his romance with Eowyn may also play a more emphasized part on-screen than in the book. It was also hinted that Arwen's character would appear briefly in the second movie, though she is not mentioned in the second book.

The film's principle actors may be returning to New Zealand in May and June for any necessary reshoots. There's no word yet on what parts might be added or modified.

And here's some good news for fans disappointed by some of FOTR's omissions: the DVD, being released later this year, should have an extra thirty to forty minutes of footage on it. The additions would include some much-needed interaction and development among the members of the Fellowship, an important aspect of the book that was weakly portrayed in the film. Another addition would include the sequence in which Gimli falls for Galadriel, a turning point for his distrust of Elves.

While we ponder what is to come, Fellowship of the Rings is doing terrific business at the box office. After nearly two weeks of release, its domestic take has climbed above $160 million. The second weekend saw the fantasy epic easily hold onto first place, with only a 21% drop from last week and an impressive $11,000 per venue. Fuller details can be seen at Box Office Mojo.

With New Line Cinema's risky $270 million investment clearly paying off, folks are beginning to ponder the idea of a prequel based on The Hobbit. Fellowship co-writer Philippa Boyens discussed the possibility in an interview, saying that there were no plans as yet. In addition, she stated that The Hobbit, being a more difficult adaption with its large number of characters and shifting plotline, might be best left to a more experienced writer. At any rate, she and Jackson won't be considering it for a while yet.

Thought you all might like to see that. On a side-note (I just thought of this, while listening to the soundtrack for the movie) Is anyone else really looking forward the soundtrack for the next film.

Sophia

01-04-2002, 12:13 AM

The FOTR was great! I did not read the book, but I imagine from what I heard that the movie was everything the book portrayed.

Common Sense Man

01-04-2002, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:

Thought you all might like to see that. On a side-note (I just thought of this, while listening to the soundtrack for the movie) Is anyone else really looking forward the soundtrack for the next film.

Great info DF and I would love to see the Hobbit but I fear it would be very hard to make and if it was a failure it would taint the rest of the series.

Plus it would be hard for me to see anyone else but Ian Holm as Bildo now but I could get over that if the actor was very convincing.

I can see the difficulty with the technical aspects, all the dwarves and of course the Dragon. Everyone knows what a Dragon looks like so to make a good one with CGI would be very hard.

Maybe in 10 years they can come back and do it.

And I love the soundtrack and cannot wait to hear the next one all though I am sure it will be very similar to this one. As the established themes will need to be carried over, but there should be new themes for the new characters. We shall see.

Out.....

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-04-2002, 12:19 AM

I would hardly say EVERYTHING. In fact, I would say, less than half. But there are a ton of details in the book itself, that could NEVER be portrayed on film. Anyways, if you liked the movie, I suggest you read the book - you will get alot more out of the film, and also get a great read.

Common Sense Man

01-04-2002, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by Sophia:
The FOTR was great! I did not read the book, but I imagine from what I heard that the movie was everything the book portrayed.

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa my little naive schmoe! That is like saying the Encyclopedia can be summed up in a paragraph or two!

There is an entire Universe in the books, it could never be fully realized on film. PJ did a wonderful job and made it understandable for people who have not read the books but if you really want the full experience you NEED to read them.

And start with the Hobbit, it is the backbone of the whole story.

Read my little friend you will not regret it for a moment.

Hey DF it appears we are on simultaneously!

Out.....

TheMovieMinor

01-04-2002, 12:22 PM

The Lord of the Rings crap is so retarded. Gandalf Dies and comes back the gandalf the gray. How stupid is that? Can't they just kill off a character and get rid of him altogether. Hey Why not just kill of Frodo and the whole stupid franchise. This is a very good choice to make a film out of it, but if they want to make it good, fix it up a little and let characters go. I hate this past film, I know I will hate the next one, so i wont watch it. 0/10 stars for Fellowship.

Scorchlord

01-04-2002, 01:58 PM

Is anyone who going to take a person that writes a paragraph like that with more than a grain of salt? Didn't think so.

Nice review, friend. Maybe next time you can actually make sense.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-04-2002, 04:17 PM

Wow MovieMinor. You have TOTALLY changed my opinion with that paragraph. Now I see what was wrong with the film. I mean, screw the geat acting, special-effects, sets, locations, dialouge, action, drama, and entertainment - this movie just plain sucks, because not enough of the people in the Fellowship die! especially Frodo. God,....how could I have been so stupid to have liked this film! ........anyways, now that MovieMinor gets the point. Wow,...he is our first troll. This is great. I never thought we would get a troll. I mean, even if someone doest like the movie, they cant honestly say it deserves a 0/10. But thats what MM gave it. Congrats MM, you are our first troll.

01-04-2002, 05:59 PM

My friend recently let me borrow a LOTR behind the scenes video he had from sending away tokens with a UK newspaper - The Daily Mirror, and I was pleasantly surprised to see Shelob. Well, not the final, CGI monster, but a model. Two guys were checking it up on the video, and I thought this was pretty great, as we haven't even seen a glimpse of what it's going to look like in The Two Towers yet (Golly, i'm really glad that's shorter to type than The Fellowship Of The Ring's title). http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

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Scorchlord

01-04-2002, 07:14 PM

I remember seeing Shelob's model in a video too, but can't remember which one...

There's a special on tomorrow night on ABC for us Americans that's behind the scenes.

Puck Bond

01-04-2002, 09:31 PM

What time is that on scorchlord?! I gotta check that out!

Scorchlord

01-04-2002, 09:59 PM

7:30, I think.

I read about it at www.theonering.net. (http://www.theonering.net.)

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-05-2002, 12:49 AM

This year of waiting is going to be horrible. ....dammit. But to be honest, I am more looking forward to August, when the DVD comes out. Its closer than December. 45 minuteas AT LEAST of extra footage sounds good to me. I cant fucking wait. What say we make this the Official DVD Countdown Thread, as well??

Common Sense Man

01-05-2002, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by TheMovieMinor:
The Lord of the Rings crap is so retarded. Gandalf Dies and comes back the gandalf the gray. How stupid is that? Can't they just kill off a character and get rid of him altogether. Hey Why not just kill of Frodo and the whole stupid franchise. This is a very good choice to make a film out of it, but if they want to make it good, fix it up a little and let characters go. I hate this past film, I know I will hate the next one, so i wont watch it. 0/10 stars for Fellowship.

Wow what an insightful review! Points stated clearly and accurately.

Ahh I can't keep a straight face any longer.

HAAAAAAA!

If you wish to trash the movie at least know your facts, Gandalf is ALREADY Gandalf the Grey in FOTR.

Why am I wasting my breath.

Oh and you know there is a built in spell check included with this board.

Out.....

Scorchlord

01-05-2002, 05:10 PM

I think that post would actually cause the spell check to malfunction and explode. ;D

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-05-2002, 07:48 PM

The AFI Awards are on tonight, and Lord of the Rings is nominated for 4 awards; including: Best Picture, Best Production Design, Best Score, and Best Effects. Im hoping it wins all 4, but I doubt it. Fantasy films always get the shaft. Oh well, ill have my fingers crossed anyways. Its on in about 15 minutes where im at, so just post up the results is anyone gets to them before me.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-05-2002, 11:11 PM

Wowzers!!! Lord of the Rings won 3 awards, out of the 4 that it was nominated for: Best PICTURE, Best Special-Effects, Best Production Design. I think it got the shaft for music,....Moulin Rouge was nothing but songs that have been remade, and changed to fit the stupidass style of the stupidass film (I didnt like Moulin Rouge).

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-06-2002, 05:00 PM

346 days, 10 hours, 1 minute, and 46, no wait 47,...no wait, 49 - hehe Anyways, yeah - that long til the next film. No real news on anything. B.O. for Fellowship is still going strong, and the ovie still kicks ass.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-06-2002, 05:04 PM

SubMethod

01-06-2002, 05:07 PM

So the countdown goes up now does it? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-06-2002, 08:21 PM

lol, yeah; not much news on the DVD or the movie, so ill just post the countdown until a.) someone wants to ask a question or b.) more information on the next film comes out. Im sure we`ll have a ton to talk about once the 10 minute trailer comes on after Fellowship. But until than,...we`ll just countdown.

dh1989

01-06-2002, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
lol, yeah; not much news on the DVD or the movie, so ill just post the countdown until a.) someone wants to ask a question or b.) more information on the next film comes out. Im sure we`ll have a ton to talk about once the 10 minute trailer comes on after Fellowship. But until than,...we`ll just countdown.

Has New Line released the weekend of the added "The Two Towers" trailer? I hope it is in early February because my theatre most likely wont keep "LOTR: FOTR" untill March. I will travel to Waldorf, MD for the trailer but would rather not. I have been wondering what it will be like? Will they show a few scenes. have like updates on what the fellowship members are doing. And will it have music. Has Howard Shore composed some music already or will it feature stuff drom the first movie's soundtrack. And when will it play before(that would make the trailer segment really long with "Spider-Man", "The Scorpion King", Austin Powers in Goldmember", and "Blade 2" already there) or after the film? I can't wait for the trailer.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-06-2002, 10:23 PM

It is rumoured to be 10 minutes, and show a few dialouge scenes, and it will be after the film. Im not exactly sure when it will be released, but your theater will probably still have it; there isnt too much else on the horizon, so dont worry about that. And even if they dont, im sure a ton of theaters will bring the movie back for this.

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Common Sense Man

01-07-2002, 02:42 PM

I am sure the 10 minute trailer will be exactly like you will see it in the upcoming movie. PJ wouldn't skimp by using retread music or leave certain effects unfinished.

He wants to start the anticipation for the next film so I think we can safely say it will be fantastic.

I have already seen some scenes from TTT and ROTK!

I watched two specials about LOTR that I had taped before the film was released but never watched them.

It was the half hour FOX special and the hour long E! special.

And as I knew they would do they interspread scenes of the next two movies thruout both shows especially the E! special.

They would be doing an interview and need something else to watch besides a talking head so they would throw up a quick snippet of the movie and about a 1/4 of the time it was not from FOTR.

It was great.

Plus you got to see glimpses of Shelob in miniature model form.

And of course all the behind the scenes trivia was cool too.

I can only imagine what the final behind the scenes special on the DVD will be after all three movies are released it will be as long as the movie!

Can't wait.

Out.......

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-07-2002, 11:05 PM

345 days left. ONLY 345 days!!!!!!!!! .......lol

dicaprio_travolta_man

01-08-2002, 02:40 AM

Hey everyone, wake up! I have a question about The Two Towers you think you can answer it??? Well here it is:

At the end of FOTR, Frodo says to Sam that he's not sure if they will ever see the other guys again, and Sam says "We may yet Mr.Frodo, we may" Now question is does the fellowship meet up again???? Or is the movie just going to have two seperate parts with one focusing on Frodo and Sam and the other one focusing on the dwarf, Legolas, and Aragon??? So what's the deal here? Does the fellowship get back together or what?????

Common Sense Man

01-08-2002, 02:53 AM

DTM

Well that is a major spoiler question but hey I have never been one to withhold spoiler info.

The Fellowship is broken.

Borimir is dead by the way.

And they will meet up again from time to time but never again as the group they where before.

I am very interested in how the next film will look as there are many different plot lines in the book that will eventually intertwine.

It will be a very good ride, better than FOTR.

Out......

dicaprio_travolta_man

01-08-2002, 10:53 AM

So the deal is that the fellowship will reunite once in awhile, but then break up and go seperate ways again??? Basically what you're saying is that they will have a few scenes together but the whole movie is going to focus on them doing different things to protect the ring, am I right????

Another thing, where does Gollum fit in the mix??? What will he be doing that he didn't do in the first movie?????

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Dumb-Fokker-**

01-08-2002, 02:20 PM

DCT, the Fellowsip does not get back together in Two Towers. It is in the Return of the King that they all finally meet. As for Gollum; remember Gandalfs words "Gollum may have something to do before the end." Trust me, dont spoiler yourself, and ask anymore spoilers. Either read the book, or wait for the movie. Youll thank me when the movie is released.

Zed

01-08-2002, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by dicaprio_travolta_man:
Another thing, where does Gollum fit in the mix??? What will he be doing that he didn't do in the first movie?????

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My schmoe friend.....I certanly can answer you this question but surely I will ruin you the next two film. (Literaly).

By the way, I heard (I'm pretty sure that Tukka and ak know more about this) that the different plot lines are going to be combine during the film. Actually, there's no so hard to catch up with the other characters locations when you read the book (during the chapters sometimes there are clues).

01-08-2002, 07:04 PM

Spoilers:

In the book of The Two Towers, the story is basically split into two - The first half deals with the Pippin, Merry and Treebeard scenario, along with the Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn story and the second half deals with Frodo, Sam and Gollum.

It is almost certain that this will not be the structure in the film, as it would be hard to maintain interest - The audience will want to know about Frodo and Sam and won't want to wait for half a film, so the seperate adventures will intertwine.

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Common Sense Man

01-08-2002, 08:24 PM

Yes I agree AK that the plot lines will remain separate but you will get little bursts of each so you do not have to wait.

But that is fine with me.

And DTM you need to chill homey!

There are sooooo many secrets and spoilers if you truly wish not to spoil the movie you need to steer clear of spoiler threads.

If you really have to know read the books, which you should do anyway, or ask someone to e-mail you the info in private.

That way mega secrets will not be disclosed by accident to those who wish to remain in the dark.

And lets just say that the Gollum question is one you really need to stay away from if you want to be surprised at the end.

But yes Gollum plays a very active role from now on.

Trust in the PJ he will deliver you from ignorance.

Hold out or read the books, be strong!

Out......

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-08-2002, 09:04 PM

I dont think reading the book spoiled it for me. If anything it made it more emotional. My heart was beating out of my cheat when the Balrog scattered the Orcs. ....good shit. If you really want to know DCTZ:

SPOILERS****

In the Two Towers Frodo and Sam meet up with Gollum, and Frodo is killed, but not by Gollum. If you want to know about Merry and Pippin, all I will tell you is that only one of them lives, and if you want to know the rest,...well fate isnt very kindly to Legolas or Gimli. There ya go.

Evevryone who has read the book, shhhhhhh. Dont give him any "specifics".

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-08-2002, 10:58 PM

http://www.ringbearer.org/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=3480

Try not too laught too hard when you read that. lol,...idiots

Common Sense Man

01-09-2002, 04:25 AM

That was hilarious DF!

Well I am very grateful for the mostly serious posts here at Joblo because that board was terrible.

I know most of the posts where pure sarcasm but hey it would be nice to post something of merit once and a while.

It was basically like a slow ass chat room.

I cannot actually believe they where serious when they said Tolkien ripped off fantasy ideas from other people, he WAS the inventor of modern Fantasy!

Anyway. It was good for a laugh that's for sure.

Thanks again Joblo for this board it rocks.

Oh and just a tid bit about the movies so this post will at least appear to be on topic.

Did you know that Viggo broke off his tooth in a sword fight and asked for super glue to put it back on so he could finish the scene!

I'm sure you all knew that but hey I had to post something on topic.

Out.....

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-09-2002, 03:33 PM

Yeah, not too much news about the film. It`ll pick up though. Im just waiting for that 10 minute trailer at the end of FotR. Until then, ill just countdown, or you guys could try and think of something to talk about.

dh1989

01-09-2002, 05:04 PM

-Spoiler of Gollum's past-

Does anyone think Peter Jackson will give a flashback to Gollum's days of being Smeagol and killing his friend for the "one ring". I asked my friends Colin and Joel(who have not read the Tolkien novels or have heard anything about them) "do you think Gollum was always a creature or once a hobbit?" They both said "he was always a creature". Do you think in "TTT" they will have Gollum tell about his friend and the finding of the ring of power. It might give audiences some pity for him knowing hew was once like character they now love like Frodo, Pippin, or Samwise. What do you guys think and if you were PJ what would you do? I myself would put a short flashback in do you let the non_reading people understand him.

01-09-2002, 05:19 PM

The danger in flash-backs lies in its capability to confuse the non-knowing audience.
Personally, I think it would be a good idea, yet it may be totally un-neccesary. If Peter Jackson does a good job with Gollum we should already feel sorry for him a couple of minutes into seeing him in The Two Towers.
I felt pity for him when I saw him being tortured in The Fellowship Of The Ring, yet there was this immense feeling of evil within him when we saw the glimpses of his eyes. This was good. Jackson was playing with the audience, confusing them - Was he good? Was he evil? What's his purpose?

I felt really sorry for Gollum throughout the trilogy, even when he commits the most evil acts. He's just a pathetic soul, and a supreme example of the ring's corruptive powers. If done well, Gollum should be astonishing. Truly.

SubMethod

01-09-2002, 06:00 PM

Do you think they'll lay out the plot sequence of the movie like the book or interwine book 3 and 4 and show them at the same time for the movie?

01-09-2002, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by SubMethod:
Do you think they'll lay out the plot sequence of the movie like the book or interwine book 3 and 4 and show them at the same time for the movie?

I actually answered this very same question half way up this page. Take a look.

cutman

01-09-2002, 06:17 PM

***********SPOILERS****************

Dumb-Fokker**,

I just reread the Two Towers, and although he might think that Frodo is dead, Sam actually learns in the last chapter of TTT that Frodo is only stunned. So I don't think the audience will leave the movie thinking that Frodo is dead....they will be anticipating Sam's rescue. So telling people that Frodo dies is not an accurate spoiler.

01-09-2002, 06:30 PM

Spoilers:

........or......Peter Jackson will create a cliff-hanger type ending, making the un-knowing audience think that Frodo is dead.

Scorchlord

01-09-2002, 06:31 PM

SPOILERS

I never felt any pity for Gollum, except for the one part where Tolkien describes him as a shriveled hobbit, when Sam, he, and Frodo are on the stairs of Cirith Ungol.

SubMethod

01-09-2002, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by ak:
I actually answered this very same question half way up this page. Take a look.



Thanks.

I was thinking the same thing you were. The audience would lose interest if the first 1 hour 30 min was totally different than the second.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-09-2002, 07:37 PM

I was just kidding with him when I said Frodo dies. He wanted spoiled so I gave him some spoilers,...just untrue ones. Anyways; I just thought of something?? How long do you think they are going to spend with each segment of the story, meaning Aragorn and the reat, and Frodo and Sam?? I think they will spend more time with Aragorn and the rest undoubtly, but the question is, how much more?? Im thinking that Two Towers will be longer than FotR. It may not seem like it because of the way the book is structured in book 2, but it actually has alot more to do in it, than Fellowship does. We have SPOILERS; Merry and Pippin and the Ents, we have Aragorns chase, and their going to Helms Deep, the storming of Isengard in real-time, and all the stuff with Rohan, and everything. Fellowship had more expositon, but TT has more "movie stuff" to put in than Fellowship. So, how long do yo think each section will be??

Puck Bond

01-09-2002, 09:00 PM

Just to let you guys know that I finished reading The Hobbit yesterday(first time I ever read it)...great book loved Bilbo's epic journey with the dwarves and Gandalf. I got a good sense of their character and that of the dwarves...from what I already saw in the movie. I started reading The Fellowship of the Ring today...just finished reading the second chapter dealing with Gandalf telling Frodo about the One-ring, Gollum and all!

Great stuff by the way all around...when I finish Fellowship.... I'm gonna see the movie again for the 3rd time.

Invincible

01-09-2002, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
http://www.ringbearer.org/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=3480

Try not too laught too hard when you read that. lol,...idiots

You're Right they're Idiots. They no nothing bout LOTR. What kind of Idiot posts shit about a movie if he didn't even read the book.

I found the second reply much more funny. When that dude says. "yer kidding right? read the books maybe that will help a bit."

Well you can see by the way people reply and discuss a movie that the board over there SUCKS major Arse!

Common Sense Man

01-10-2002, 12:54 AM

Hey DF I knew what you where doing you sly dog.

I find that I have a hard time disclosing what will happen to people that have not read the books.

It is like I am thinking, just wait and see, if you are not going to read the books try not to find out what is happening. You will enjoy the movie more that way as you will be surprised about what happens.

But alas, I cannot control the entire World, not yet! So if you know nothing about the upcoming movies and desire to ask spoiler questions, go for it.

Just don't be upset when you find out something major and wish you had not.

And I think PJ will do a mini flash back or Gollum's past maybe not as complete as we all think but enough to know he was once a Hobbit also.

Out......

dicaprio_travolta_man

01-10-2002, 05:01 AM

Thanks for the answers fellows, and Dumb-Fokker thanks for the bullshit, that was a real class act on your part http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif. I hate it when people bullshit me, but I'll let it go this time. Anyway, I received the books for Christmas and I have started reading "Fellowship" but with my busy schedule I don't think I'll finish it in time for "Two Towers" although I will try my best, but like I said I am a VERY busy man. The reason why I asked the questions was not to be spoiled because you see I had no idea they were spoiler questions, I was just curious because I saw FOTR again recently and at the end I needed to know everything I just couldn't wait a whole fucking year, that's one of the things I didn't like about the first film it ends like a WWF Monday Night Raw television show, it leaves you in suspence. But, as much as I don't want to wait to find out what happens next I guess I'm going to have to, and it's a long ass wait, infact I CAN'T wait, I wanna see Two Towers NOW damnit!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh well, I'll wait. Actually, I wanna see "Star Wars Episode 2" more, but hey you know I'm antisapating BOTH movies.

P.S. I just watched the "Lord of the Rings" cartoon version, and it's not so bad, you guys are way to hard on it. It KICKSASS!! But, PJ's version kicks more ass.

DTM..........

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-10-2002, 12:53 PM

Well, to each their own, but I would love to see every copy of the film burned at a public gathering of Tolkein fans.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-10-2002, 03:40 PM

Thought you all might like to see these.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-10-2002, 03:44 PM

Thought you all might like to see these.

http://www.bartholmai.com/04e40a60.gif

http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/3198

I hope that works, because im not exactly sure how to post pictures. Anyways, great pic.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-10-2002, 03:49 PM

http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/3193

Heres a pic of a Rohan rider. Looks good to me.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-11-2002, 02:34 PM

This is just ridiculous. Makes me wish I had met them in the theater cause I would have beat the shit out of the little asholes.

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$LBBS33AAACLLXQFIQMFCFFWAVCBQ YIV0?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F01%2F11%2Fnyob11.xml

The Heart Collector

01-11-2002, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by ak:
Spoilers:

........or......Peter Jackson will create a cliff-hanger type ending, making the un-knowing audience think that Frodo is dead.



That'd make the ROTK trailers completely ignore Frodo, or spill the secret immediately.

01-11-2002, 04:23 PM

Well, it is a hard thing to decide. Laterally thinking, you couldn't really do it, cause of all the advertising and hype, and information being released. etc.

The Two Towers needs a cliff-hanger ending. It just can't end like Fellowship did, it would royally piss people off.

In answer, I honestly don't know. Perhaps Jackson's got something up those baggy shorts.... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-11-2002, 05:35 PM

I think the film will end with the doors to the tower of Cirith Ungor closing. That would be great.

01-11-2002, 07:16 PM

It's still baffling me, and will baffle me for a whole year, as to how they are going to portray the Ents successfully.
I'd be lying if I said they weren't one of my most anticipated character realisations in the entire film trilogy. It boggles the mind.
Trees marching to battle to flood Isengard, auidiences are going to think "wtf".

Common Sense Man

01-11-2002, 07:55 PM

Spoilers, I guess!?
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Yes AK I agree this is going to be a tricky one.

I have seen miniatures of Shelob and it looked good but it is not that hard to screw up a spider.

I can see it going from totally realistic to very cartoony. Hopefully it will be more on the realistic side.

I liked the Character Treebeard but to really make him come to life will be a challenge. And in an already long movie will they skip over his part quickly?

As I am sure you are aware the Ents take Eons to decide things so how will that be portrayed in the movie, if at all.

I can envision long shots of the Ents on the march much easier then the close ups of Treebeard and the Hobbits.

Again another reason this movie has not been made before.

But I trust PJ, after FOTR I think he has earned it.

So everyone keep your eyes peeled for those leaked out CGI images that are sure to filter onto the net after a few more months.

Out.....

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-11-2002, 08:04 PM

And while your waiting for those pics go and sign this petition. It may not amount to anything in the end, but you should all go sign it anyways. Even if you dont like LotR, go sign it anyways - for those of us that do. Again, it probably wont make any difference, but you never know.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?LoTRdvd

LordKaruku

01-11-2002, 10:34 PM

I, too, am most curious to see how the Ents are portrayed. I never had a very clear mental image in my mind of them when I read the books. Whenever I try to picture them cinematically, the image that keeps popping up in my mind is, unfortunately, the trees throwing their apples at Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz. I have faith that Jackson will provide a better interpretation than that. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Common Sense Man

01-12-2002, 02:40 AM

Yes I think if the Ents looked like that even I would be hard pressed to defend them!

It will definitely be a challenge to the CGI animators as living foliage is not that easy to portray well, especially close up.

And yes DF I signed the petition, hey it only took a sec and who knows what may happen.

Out............

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-12-2002, 12:36 PM

Well, its been confimred that they made an animatronic Treebeard, but only the top half of him. And like Gollum, Idont think any pics of the Ents will be seen until the film opens. Hell, has anyone ven seen a pic of the Balrgo from the movie on-line yet?? If you have post it here. And if you find one of Gollum as well.

Common Sense Man

01-12-2002, 12:52 PM

Well that pleases me that they will at least have something physical for the actors to interact with. It always looks a little strange when the CGI character is supposed to be right next to them.

The actors eyes never quiet look in the right place and the dimensions do not seem right.

So that makes my butterflies settle a bit.

And yes it is very interesting that not much other than the officially released stuff is on line yet. Very good security at New Line I guess.

But I will keep my eyes open.

Out.....

Common Sense Man

01-12-2002, 12:57 PM

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Okay this will not link the images so check out this link if you want to see some pics from TTT, including Gandalf and Theoden.

http://www3.tolkienonline.com/gallery/display.cfm?ID=104

This site also has a list of all the major changes that are being made to the movies, some are rumor at this point but some are backed up with interviews and pictures.

This site answers many of the questions that have been asked in this thread about how the movie will be structured and presented.

Out.....

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DPippy

01-13-2002, 01:13 AM

Heya thanx 4 that site but i think it will spoil it 4 TTT & i havnt read the last 2 books & i dont intending on neways ill just wait 4 it 2 com out in the movies bi the way most of ure guys r livin in the US and i live in Australia so it coms out heeps l8er than u dudes 4 instance. 4 us LOTR,FOTR came out on Boxing Day & so did mosters inc but in the US im sure it came out much earlier ne way cya

Common Sense Man

01-13-2002, 10:27 AM

Whew! wheres my dpippy to english dictionary when I need it!

Hey welcome to the boards and yes the link does contain massive spoilers but so does this thread.

But it is up to the individual if they wish to read it or not.

I have read the books several times before but it has been years ago and I am not going to read TTT or ROTK before I see the movies, just so I do not freak when every little detail is not exact.

I am finishing the Hobbit again now and will read FOTR again and I am looking forward to seeing the movie after recently reading the book and seeing if I feel differently about it then.

Happy Posting dpippy!

Out........

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-14-2002, 02:32 PM

Fran has uncovered this little nugget of info, which describes a great new book and also seems to suggest that the DVD will be out as early as May.

"The Lord of the Rings" - the Art of "The Fellowship of the Ring"
Gary Russell

With complete access to artwork created over a five-year period, this book illustrates the creative development of the movie "The Fellowship of the Ring". This official book contains over 500 images; from the earliest pencil sketches and conceptual drawings to paintings that shaped the look of the film. Contributing artists include John Howe and Alan Lee; artists that have inspired Peter Jackson's vision of Middle-earth and worked with him to bring the trilogy to the big screen. Peter Jackson is among 12 contributors who explain the background to the images. The book covers the opening sequence, locations, costumes, armoury and creatures. The artists who created these diverse elements explain how they contributed to the development of the film. There are also photographs showing the realisation of the creative process and some stills from the film. This book also looks at ideas, proposals and posters that were, nonetheless, ultimately rejected. Printed on high-quality art paper this book should appeal to Tolkien collectors and film enthusiasts. Published to tie-in with the launch of the video and DVD, this is the first of three books that will complete a set to accompany the film trilogy.

pub. date May 20th '02. 192 pages ISBN: 0007135637
Link to Amazon item.

Thought you all might like to see that. 338 days left.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-14-2002, 03:36 PM

The part about the DVD made my fucking week man. The original cut was 5 hours!!!!! Well fuck me freddy. Anyways, here is the article.

TheOneRing.net: Lawrence, it is so nice to finally speak to you, let’s start off with a simple question. How did you first get involved with the whole LOTR production?

Lawrence Makoare: Well I've been acting for nine years now, and my agency called and told me I should go up for an audition for LOTR, it all happened from there. I went for the audition, I really wasn't expecting anything back, but to my surprised they called back and told me I got 'a' part in LOTR. This was a huge bonus for me anyway, because of the books, I've heard about the books, I've never read it but I've got so many friends and family that have read the books countless amounts of times, I think they were more excited than I was about it.

TORN: How long until after you got the role did they call you in for makeup and screen testing?

LM: It wasn't that long after I got the final 'ok' that I was called in. They wanted to do a cast of my face so they could make all the prosthetics and send it all down to WETA Workshop, with Gino Acevedo, who is the Senior Prosthetics Supervisor of WETA Workshop, Jason Docherty and Ben Hawker who were constantly with me throughout my whole time on the SET of LOTR. At any given time I had 6 people working on me at the same time while we were filming. It was the biggest makeup experience I've been through in my whole career so far.

TORN: speaking of make-up, you were covered from head to toe in it; can you tell me more about that?

LM: Yes, my whole body, literally head to toe was covered in prosthetics. The head came in 5 pieces, the body came in all different stages, my arms, and my chest was glued on, my legs, feet, fingers, and hands! (laughs) every-single-part of my body was completely covered!

TORN: And then they put armor on top of all that

LM: Yes! And in allot of places the prosthetics were 4 inches thick, so it was pretty hot in there, especially when I was doing the physical stuff like running through the forest on a pretty hot day, and doing all the fight scenes, particularly with the armor on it was really really hot. It was like wearing a really tight wetsuit, if you can imagine that, except this was a little thicker than the average wetsuit.

TORN: Now that you're in the film, are you more into LOTR? Are you trying to get into the phenomenon?

LM: Yes, certainly, because it's a trilogy, there's so much more of the story that I do not know, so yes, I'd like to read the books. Because I've never read a book, and then seen the movie it was based on before. So I want to try and do that and see what those people's view of the film is. So I'm going at it the opposite way, I'm not really much of a reader, but I'm starting to get into books now, when I was young I wasn't really into reading books.

TORN: Tell me more about your fight scenes; did you do any special training?

LM: Bob Anderson, the swordsmaster, trained us; he did the Star Wars' fight scenes, with the lightsabers. We were working with Bob quite allot to get all the sequences and action down; we were working out the routines. We did about a 10-minute fight; just to see what Peter liked, and if he wanted is shorter we would cut it shorter. I was working with Viggo Mortensen, Viggo and myself would work on the whole fight scene. It was really good; it was a learning experience, and something I've never done before, outside some of the weaponry from my culture, some of the weapons are similar.

TORN: How did they shoot the scenes where you lose your arm and head?

LM: Oh that! It was really weird, I thought they would use a blue sock or something to cover my arm, so they can use the blue screen effect, but they didn't, we were in the forest just like you see it, I was asking them if they want me to hold my arm behind my back and the WETA digital guys just said 'no it's ok, we'll take care of it later'.

TORN: So no blue screen anything?

LM: No, none at all, it was amazing what they did, it was all casual for them, it's really amazing. It was the same thing with my head, they just wanted me to tilt my head sideways and it was going to be removed later on. I thought I'd have to go back to the studio and to a blue screen type thing, even my prosthetics guys were curious as to how we were going to do it. Because different departments in WETA handle different things, the prosthetics guys really didn't know much about the digital side of things. I was amazed at how they did it.

TORN: Amazing, now on the site we have pictures of you at the premiere in New Zealand, how did you like that whole event? Have you ever been to something like that before?

LM: Absolutely amazing, I've been to a premiere here locally in NZ before for other films, and that premiere was really small, really tiny compared to the one in Wellington, it was awesome, mind blowing, I was talking to Sam Neil, and I asked him 'are your premieres like this?' and he said 'nothing like this, this is amazing', and it was.

TORN: Lurtz doesn't speak very much in the film, but he does have a few lines, did they use your voice in the film?

LM: Yes, it was my voice, we did allot of ADR. But allot of my scenes ended up on the cutting room floor, the actual directors cut was 5 hours long, many scenes were dropped from the film, allot of my scenes were dropped. A bunch of them were my speaking scenes as well, many of scenes that weren't shown in the movie that I liked. (laughs)

TORN: Can you tell us about some of those?

LM: Well, there was the scene where I was just born, we shot allot of different scenes for that, the one they used was the one where as soon as they ripped open the sack, I grabbed the Orc Overseer and strangled him. Well we shot other scenes where I was practically in my armor, and the Orc Overseer comes to inspect us with Saruman, the overseer starts whipping me and beating me because I am not listening, Lurtz doesn't like that and lifts hum up by one arm and slowly crushes his neck.

TORN: Like Darth Vader

LM: Yeah, that's it (laughs) the thing I liked was the fact that we even rehearsed that scene with Bob Anderson, what we didn't use was a dolly, like a see-saw, so when you lift the person up it is much easier to do, but they didn't use a dolly, I had to use my own strength (laughs). But what we didn't cater for was the fact that the fellow I was lifting would be wearing a full costume and armor, because in practice we were just wearing our plain clothes. I didn't count of him being so heavy when it came to shoot it, so here we are, camera is rolling, I pick him up and am yelling

'RAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR!!!!'

and pick him up. And after the shot the assistant Director was like 'great sound effects, very cool' and I said 'I wasn't doing sound effects! I was really yelling! He's heavy!!' (laughs)

TORN: (laughs) Alright! Take 47! Let's go!

LM: (laughs) Yeah right! No thanks!

TORN: So we hope to see allot more of you on the DVD if all the rumors are true that the full cut will be on DVD

LM: Yes, apparently that is what Gino was saying that the DVD will come out with more of the film, mind you Peter had to drop out allot of really really good stuff, because of the 2 hours they eventually had to remove. Man, some really good things, what a waste of footage that would be.

TORN: We see you in full costume in the film, and Lurtz looks mammoth, but you yourself are a built person, do you work out or play any sports?

LM: Before I started acting I worked on the Auckland city council doing road maintenance and stuff like that, it was very physical work. We’d be shoveling 40 tons of detriment a day, so that really beefed you up. But as soon as I got into acting, which is allot easier, and is a lot less physical so I've lost allot of my bulk. I've also stopped playing allot of sports, due to contracts with different films, they prohibit you from playing sports. All in all it's taken away allot of my fitness. Yeah, but I try to get in a few things now and then.

TORN: How did you like working with such a legendary actor like Christopher Lee?

LM: It has actually been a highlight of my career working with Christopher Lee, he's just amazing, and he’s the King of horror! To work with him was amazing.

When I was getting my makeup done, which took 11 hours, when I was in full costume, you'd have allot of time to think about things and your character. I was thinking about Christopher Lee and how he used to scare me as a kid as Dracula and all those great films.

As I was getting my face put on, during our first day working together, which was actually the scene where he has me standing in his chamber and he's walking around me saying (in a great Christopher Lee impression) 'Do you know how the Orcs first came into being?...'. So that was our first day, and before I saw him I was thinking 'I'm going to scare the bejesus out of him!', in revenge for scaring me as a child. Some of the prosthetics folks warned me 'Oh no you can't do that, he's 78, his ticker ain't what it used to be!'

Needless to say it was a silent approach when I actually did meet him, he saw me and said to me (Christopher Lee impression) 'You must be very uncomfortable, you know, 36 years ago when I was playing the mummy...' and I was thinking 'wow! I wasn't even born then!'.

TORN: Well, he packs allot of history

LM: Oh yeah! Whenever there was a break he'd tell me stories about all the films he's done, we couldn't talk for too long because we had a job to do, but he was a really nice guy. He was just so friendly, that would certainly be the highlight of my career, would be working with him.

TORN: Speaking of your career, you worked on 'The Maori Merchant Of Venice', anything else you’re working on?

LM: The Merchant of Venice is coming out next month, in March. The latest thing I'm doing is the next James Bond film. I'm flying out to London soon, then Iceland and perhaps LA. I'm not too sure what I'll be playing, I'll be getting the script soon so I'll know more then, no doubt It'll be a bad guy.

TORN: That's actually one of my childhood dreams, to be in a Bond film, good stuff.

LM: Yeah, the first one I saw was with Jaws in it, I don't recall which one it was. I actually wanted to talk to Sean Bean, if he was coming over for the premiere because you know he was in 'Goldeneye', I wanted to talk to him about Pierce Brosnan and how it was working on a Bond film. Unfortunately he didn't make it to the New Zealand premiere, so I lost the chance to talk to him about that.

TORN: And speaking of Chris Lee, he was in a bond film as well, so that's something all 3 of you will now have in common.

LM: Who was he again? The man with the golden gun right? Oh yeah! Very cool (laughs)

TORN: Well Lawrence, it was great talking to you, good luck in all your future film projects, and I hope to speak to you again soon!

LM: Cheers, thanks a lot!

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-14-2002, 07:04 PM

Some more, VERY EXCITING LotR DVD news;

Wilson writes: I was just listening to 1010 Winds radio in New York City and there was a 2-minute news bit entitled "Good News for LOTR Fans." Producer Barrie Osborne said: "We are hoping to have an extended, director's cut DVD out before the next installment in December." Osbourne clearly meant a longer, more complete version of the film, not just the outakes feature in a separate section of the DVD.

You have to be excited about this people.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-14-2002, 07:07 PM

Well, I did say that I wanted to keep everyone up-to-date on the TT and the DVD. So here ya go;

Amazing news from CNN via David: "A friend of mine was watching CNN today. They reported that the DVD version of Fellowship was going to be 4.5 hours long."
Is THAT long enough for you all? And when does it come out?

According to this there's a book being released on Amazon in May which is '' Published to tie-in with the launch of the video and DVD, this is the first of three books" [read the synopsis, you'll see it.]

So look for the DVD in May, 2002. Thanks to Corsair of Umbar who noticed that.

Now, this is a rumour from Kevin, who notes a different time for the DVD release [July] but concludes that Bombadil's scenes were filmed: "I just figured that I'd let you know that I recently got a chance to look at the 2002 release sheet for the LOTR Games workshop games. Now, Games Workshop has a 3-5 (not sure) contract with New Line which says that the only models they may produce in that time are models from the films. This release sheet showed that in July, around the time of the DvD release models WILL be released for Tom Bombadil, Goldberry, and the barrow wights. This means that it is a definite that the old forest sequence, in its entirety, was filmed, and that we will see Bombadil in the film."

Well, it's been a well-kept secret in the NZ film community if it has, but we'll keep an open mind on that!

01-14-2002, 07:13 PM

DVD in May!!??

This cannot be true.....it sounds too good.

cutman

01-14-2002, 07:26 PM

Dumb-Fokker**,

Since you take your information word for word from TheOneRing.net, you should probably give that site credit for most of your news. That way people will be able to dig deeper into the stories that you report.

cutman

BTW, I am excited about watching a 4.5 hour version of FOTR.

01-14-2002, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by cutman:
...BTW, I am excited about watching a 4.5 hour version of FOTR.

So am I, but, somehow, I get the distinct feeling that my buttocks aren't.

I just hope Jackson isn't going to pile all this stuff into the film because he feels he needs to. 4.5 hours is fine enough, but will it work? Will it flow, or will it just feel lumbering, like most parts of Fellowship often did?
Some may say "I don't care, I just want to see the film with all this footage", well, that's an impossibly stupid attitude to be honest. Fair enough if it's slung in with the special features, but please, not as a part of the actual film on a limited edition dvd, if it's lumbering.

We must also remember that Jackson is a very busy man completing The Two Towers, we can't expect a massive amount from the first edition of the dvd.

Anyways, i'm sure it will be a great dvd package, and am really looking forward to it....

[This message has been edited by ak (edited 01-14-2002).]

cutman

01-14-2002, 07:40 PM

I have two things to say.

First, I hope the LotR DVDs have the same packaging that the limited edition soundtrack had. The nice leather case would just be really cool.

Second, I have pictures of the Balrog from Fellowshp, so if someone could tell me how to post them, I gladly will.

ColinM

01-14-2002, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by cutman:
Second, I have pictures of the Balrog from Fellowshp, so if someone could tell me how to post them, I gladly will. 

Type in [ IMG ] without the spaces on the inside, then the URL of the image, then [ /IMG ], again without the spaces on the inside.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-14-2002, 08:58 PM

Terribly sorry; I knew I was forgetting something. Yeah, so most of the news comes from theOneRing.net. And I totally agree with you about the DVD ak, but considering that the first CUT of the film was that long, I would say he had it edited alright, but it was just too long. I think PJ can handle it. And what about that Bombadil rumour?? That is fucking awesome. Anyways, yeah, would you please pst that pic of the Balrg?? thanks in advance

cutman

01-14-2002, 10:29 PM

Just go to this website that I'm setting up. If you have any specific requests for scenes from the movie, just let me know and I'll turn them into pictures. The picture on the bottom is the native resolution...would everyone just want me to keep them that size?

http://152.42.113.60/

Please don't publicize these pictures, but feel free to download them at will. Just don't say where you got them...:-)

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-14-2002, 10:36 PM

Um, how about a picture of the Riders being swallowed up by the Fords? Oh, and a picture of the Fellowhip in the Great Hall in Moria? Thanks in advance.

cutman

01-14-2002, 11:28 PM

Be more specific about the images you want from Moria. I just put up the Flooding of the Ford and some pics of Gollum. Hope all you LotR freaks (like me) like these pics.

Keep posting requests, and I will keep posting pics.

And if anyone has any Photoshop advice on how to get the images bigger/better and still be good quality, please don't hesitate to tell me.

cutman

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-15-2002, 12:21 AM

Thanks a bunch cutman, The picture I meant was the one right after Gandalf says "Maybe we can spare a little light" or something like that. It than shows the Fellowship very small compared to the Hall from far away. That help?? Anyways, on a side note, would you mind e-mailing me, and letting me know how your getting the pics?? And heres some more DVD news from TORn

kheira writes: My sister works in a video shop and yesterday she brought home the Movie 'A.I.' that her boss got on pre-release and it has the lord of the rings trailer advertising that its release to video is in April 2002.

(hrm....take a giant balrog sized salt lick with this report -Xo)

And I know I posted this once, but here it is again; now up to about 22,000 sigs, this petition to get a full DVD of the film. Even if you dont want to - sign it anyways in the hopes that it may come true and make us LotR fans happy. Oh, and TORn has just posted it, so expect thousands of more sigs to flood in. I think it would be noticed. Anyways, heres the link;

http://www.petitiononline.com/LoTRdvd/petition.html

And here is a national lamppon article, about Osama finding the One Ring.

http://www.nationallampoon.com/news/1_10_2002a.asp

Thats all for now, and thanks in advance cutman.

Scorchlord

01-15-2002, 09:20 AM

For some reason, I really doubt the veracity of the claims that Tom Bombadil was even filmed at all.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-15-2002, 03:09 PM

Yeah, I HIGHLY doubt it too, but you never know. And if it was filmed, than I trust PJ to have done a great job with it, as he did with everyhting else in the film. I dont think he would have left Bombadil as he is in the books if he filmed him - cause even though I think Bombadil is great in the books, I wouldnt want to see him portrayed how he is in the book in film. Anyways

SPOILERS

I was wondering how they are going to portray Frodos death in the film. This may have been discuessed, I honestly dont remember, but on another site, some people were saying that it would be easier to have Frodo wake up and scream and have Sam see him, than have that HUGE converastion between Gorbag,.....I dont remember the names. Anyways, what do you think?

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-15-2002, 03:44 PM

A little more DVD news.

1) This is an update to your notice that Cate Blanchett is/was to be on today's (Jan. 15) episode of "Fresh Air," a radio interview program hosted by Teri Gross.

Ms. Blanchett was interviewed for roughly half an hour, several minutes at the beginning of which were devoted to discussion of LOTR. She talked about working with Peter Jackson, wearing '70s disco boots while filming with the hobbits, dealing with special effects, and she revealed the existence of a scene (left on the cutting room floor) in which she and Viggo Mortensen (Aragorn) speak entirely in elvish.

The good news is that both current and archived interviews can be heard directly over the internet; it is not necessary that "Fresh Air" be broadcast on a local station. For those wanting to listen on Jan. 15, 2002, go to freshair.npr.org and click on "Listen to the Current Show" ; after Jan. 15, 2002, the show should be accessible by clicking on "archived shows."

2) As the official LOTR site (news section) notes, the DVD of National Geographic Explorer's "Beyond the Movie: The Lord of the Rings" (which aired on Dec. 23, 2001) will be available on Feb. 5, 2002. However, National Geographic is taking orders now for the DVD. To order, call 1-800-437-5521.

Thx to TORn.

01-15-2002, 05:56 PM

The more I look at the Balrog the more I like it. Same with the entire film really. The Phantom Menace was good the first viewing, but was just rubbish the second time.

Also, my friend got a copy of the film on disk for me. The image quality if near dvd, but the sound is awful. I'm not going to watch it again. Not until the dvd.

01-15-2002, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by cutman:
And if anyone has any Photoshop advice on how to get the images bigger/better and still be good quality, please don't hesitate to tell me.

This is always a problem with images off of the net. Go to "edit" > "free-transform" and try and make them larger. When you stretch the box, the image shall appear to be very pixelated, but when you press enter it should smooten out ok, depending, again, on how large you make it.

Btw, where did you get the images from?

[This message has been edited by ak (edited 01-15-2002).]

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-15-2002, 09:22 PM

Well, I just downloaded the first part of the film onto Morpheus, and I have to say, that I liked this film even more than before. The picture and sound are great, but that is only because I have my computer hooked up to the t.v. and,....well, some illegal things, that I probably shouldnt mention. hehe Anyways, yeah; I think the Balrog is great, and im glad that they decided to do the "phantom wing" thing. Yadig??

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-15-2002, 09:46 PM

News from Fido: "CNN's Showbiz Today reports that while New Line has NOT set an official release date for "The Lord of the Rings: FOTR" DVD yet, Peter Jackson has just said that the DVD will contain a Director's Cut running at a little over 4 hours. This is different to the responses he gave last month indicating that there would be about 40 mins of deleted scenes with the disc, but NOT as a part of the film's final print (ie. there would be no Director's Cut)." [More]
Dr. Evil adds, "Hey, I used to work for Games Workshop in the U.S. and still know quite a few Managers in various departments. I called one and he explained that although they are producing miniatures of Tom Bombadil and Goldberry, and various others it is because their license is book based and allows them to "fill in the gaps" of characters not covered by Peter Jacksons films.

There sadly was no filmed footage from what he has heard or whether or not the minitures that are produced are based on WETA designs or not."

Other people have sent me similar explanations of how Games Workshop have acquired the rights to make Tom and Goldberry despite the fact that they don't appear in the movie. So sorry folks, the "Bombadil's in the director's cut DVD" rumour is untrue.

Adrahil has information on the same: "Here's a quote from GW North American Product Manager Dan Rumley:

"There are rumors that Peter Jackson will revisit the Hobbit in the distant future but these are pure speculation. As to further licensing I can proudly announce that Games Workshop has the Literary license and will be rolling all types of great products and scenarios to allow players even more Middle Earth mayhem. So there is no doubt going to be the characters of The Hobbit showing up some time in the future."

It can be found here

Common Sense Man

01-15-2002, 09:53 PM

Well since you guys are all talking about the Barlog I will throw in my two cents.

I just saw FOTR again today and I really, I mean really noticed some things during the Barlog sequence that I missed before.

I think it is because I have seen it 4 times now and I can relax and watch it and not try to see everything at once.

Before I just saw the Barlog as a CGI character, not much to him, acting wise I mean, just there doing his thing.

But this time I saw soooo many subtle things happening with him.

He was flexing his muscles when Gandalf originally stands up to him as if to say, He little man who do you think you are. I really noticed it.

It was like he got frustrated and did the I am no girly demon muscle flex and stretch to his full height.

Then when he tries to slice Gandalf with his sword and he is blocked you see his nostrils flair in anger and frustration.

It was much better this time around if that is possible.

Out....

Scorchlord

01-15-2002, 10:21 PM

DF, since you downloaded the movie, answer me this: did it require an SMC codec to play? If so, did you already have that, or did you download it? I need one.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-15-2002, 10:35 PM

Im not exactly sure. It might be included in the Morpheus downloading software, but if it isnt, than it isnt required to play it, because I know I havent downloaded that. I only have the first part, by the way. There are 3. Oh, and anyone looking for THEN ENTIRE SCRIPT of Lord of the Rings - head over to here.

http://www.lordoftheringsmovie.com/forums/attachment.php?s=9beedf3ea787fcd0f6f67dee42db9ca1&postid=471128

Your welcome. Pretty accurate.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-15-2002, 10:50 PM

http://www.jimcalagon.supanet.com/review.htm

Silly SW fans. lol Funny read.

pofcorn

01-16-2002, 11:55 AM

OMG, I never tought that people were THAT stupid, now I have the proof! That moron must be like 10 years old or something.

Scorchlord

01-16-2002, 02:45 PM

There was a similar review at AICN before the movie came out. It was just as bad.

Common Sense Man

01-16-2002, 08:49 PM

Guys, please say it ain't so!

It was a sarcastic review meant to generate the exact type of ire it is doing here.

I know DF understood this when he posted it but simply wanted us to have a good laugh.

If you read the guys disclaimer he tells you point blank his reviews are not based on fact and meant to inflame.

Don't make me loose faith in the schmoes!

Out........

Zed

01-17-2002, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Common Sense Man:
Guys, please say it ain't so!

It was a sarcastic review meant to generate the exact type of ire it is doing here.

I know DF understood this when he posted it but simply wanted us to have a good laugh.

If you read the guys disclaimer he tells you point blank his reviews are not based on fact and meant to inflame.

Don't make me loose faith in the schmoes!

Out........

Common sense is right.....we have to use our common sense.
That was actually a comic page.
If you don't believe me look at this picture of Treebeard....

http://www.jimcalagon.supanet.com/rpt34.htm

01-17-2002, 07:26 PM

http://www.mckellen.com/images/0452.jpg

Two wizards. (Peter Jackson and Ian McKellen as Gandalf The White on the set of The Two Towers).

Common Sense Man

01-18-2002, 02:51 AM

Any bets on what book is in his hand, and people actually thought the actors did not care about the legacy they where representing.

Fools!

Out..............

Scorchlord

01-18-2002, 07:56 AM

THat looks like the Edoras set.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-18-2002, 02:45 PM

Hey guys. Finally got my internet working again. I could sign on, but I couldnt visit any ages. Anyways, just thought I would let you all know that the downloadable LotRs movies suck big dick. Dont waste your time. Later.

01-18-2002, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Anyways, just thought I would let you all know that the downloadable LotRs movies suck big dick. Dont waste your time. Later.

I'd agree, although the picture quality of the one I had from a friend was very good, it's just the sound was crap. The film filled six disks at 700 mb each.

Common Sense Man

01-18-2002, 08:38 PM

Hey I found one that was passable at least for me. It was in three files, but has chinese subtitles.

It will do in a pinch but I plan to buy the DVD anyway, it is more of a novelty.

I mean who would really be satisfied with a 355X192 image of this masterpiece.

No spell check! what harsh times we live in!!!

Out.......

[This message has been edited by Common Sense Man (edited 01-18-2002).]

Scorchlord

01-18-2002, 11:33 PM

I have downloaded the first two hours of the movie, and the video and sound are fine for a stopgap until the DVD. And I don't even notice the Chinese subtitles once I get into the film.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-19-2002, 01:09 AM

Well, I delted my file, because I didnt want to ruin the expieriance watching it over and over and over and over on a computer screen with shitty sound and very grainy video. Anyways, it seems the TT trailer might be coming out as early as Febuary 1st. Over at TORn, some guy said his friend who works at a theater told him, after his boss let him know. ..........hmmmmmmmmm

01-19-2002, 08:25 AM

I'd probably get banned if I was to reply to that post with any justification.

All I can say is, that you're obviously too blinded by Star Wars to even realise you're tripping up on your words there.

The Empire Strikes Back is my personal favourite film of all time, yet I don't let my love of Star Wars get in the way of my love for The Lord Of The Rings.

Had I heard of Peter Jackson before LOTR? Of course, that's one of the reasons I loved LOTR so much - I could see his progression as a masterful director. Heavenly Creatures is a masterpiece. Go see it if you haven't.
I look on Jackson as an "experimental" director in his early years, which is more than what can be said for Lucas.

Scorchlord

01-19-2002, 10:39 AM

I think this is a case where we can freely insult this obvious idiot and flamer. However, I won't, because his ass will be banned by tonight.

01-19-2002, 11:49 AM

I reckon he's one of "those" you know whats from you know where - A Star Wars fan site, trying to stir you know what.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-19-2002, 01:00 PM

Wow, I guess with points like that, you must be right. I really liked how he made the original trilogy look even worse by saying such witty things as, "you think Jar-Jar- was annoying, what about C-3P0?" and "whats this about Episode 1 and bad dialouge THEY ALL HAD BAD DIALOUGE" and my persoanl favorite "character developement is not Lucas` strong point",.........no shit. Anyways, no those werent exact quotes, but oh well. Anyways, this is for you;

http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2002/01/18/lotr/index.html

An article from Salon.com the describes my feelings exactly. Now, have fun being banned.

Common Sense Man

01-19-2002, 02:29 PM

So I see the stench has crept into this thread also, well the air freshener will soon be employed I am sure.

I love SW and I love LOTR and anticipate loving the next two films as well.

I will say no more.

Great link DF!

Out……

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Dumb-Fokker-**

01-19-2002, 03:18 PM

Hey everybody. Check out these beautiful pics of Edoras;

http://www.numenoreen.com/viewgallery.php3?categorie=36&gallery=1&nbimage=16

Man, those are some beautiful pictures. Anyways, for a LOT of pictures on sets and characters from TT go to this thread at the RottenTomatoes site;

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/forum/showthread.php?s=d0b7986a9b8336fa721203c47ec12847&threadid=126998

JoBlo

01-19-2002, 04:53 PM

I'd like to thank the courteous schmoes who were cool enough to email me and let me know about some genius who came on this forum and decided that he would rather belittle and insult others rather than to converse on a mature level about movies.

As you all know, we take great pride in our very basic rule on this board ("respect others at all times") and also appreciate the amazing restraint shown here by the rest of you. It bodes well for the future of our board, me thinks.

Anyway, we've obviously deleted all of this person's posts and banned him from our board. BTW, feel free to email me or any other moderator at ANY TIME whenever you notice any other "undesirables" slinking into our midst (thankfully, this doesn't happen too often).

Common Sense Man

01-19-2002, 05:23 PM

Great Pics DF it looks like they are going full tilt for that set at least.

Could you imagine being the property owner, if it is not government land.

Just leave the set when you go, that will be payment enough Mr. Jackson!

That would be a dream come true!

Out.......

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-19-2002, 07:43 PM

Have any of you guys read that thing where it teaches you how to design your own modern hobbit-hole?? If I can find the article, I will put a link. I thought that was pretty cool.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-19-2002, 07:54 PM

Just found this picture at TORn and thought it was pretty cool.

http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/3230

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-19-2002, 10:26 PM

Ok, I know these are REEEEEEEEEEALY old, but I just read them, and there was some incredible stuff in these that I thought I would put up here. Mainly the stuff about PJ ging back possibly and filming Aragorn and Gandalf looking for Gollum, and Bombadil; even though PJ said it a long time ago, he still might do it. It would be released on a SE DVD he said.

Anyways, here is Part 2
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/lordoftherings2.html

And here is Part 1
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/lordoftherings.html

There ya go!

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-19-2002, 10:51 PM

Well, I know I post alot, but there has been alot to post with all this news of the DVD and such. Anyways, just wanted to note that I just read something that I thought people should definately know about. I dont know if this true or not, but I think it sounds great. Ok, you know when the Fellowship is passing the Argonath, right?? Well, remember when the camera is making a circle around tham, and all the birds fly away. Well, supposedly Gollum is there, barely visible, but clearly there, and he is the reason that the birds fly away. He is watching the Fellowship go past. I gotta go see it again, and see if this is true. If it is, that would be pretty damn cool. Just think of all the little things that PJ could have added like that, that people havent found.

Common Sense Man

01-20-2002, 03:27 AM

Interesting, I am inclined to doubt it but I know I will be seeing the movie again so I will check it out.

Well I checked it out and I could not see anything. I looked at it several times in different sizes and contrasts and I could not see anyhting.

There is a hole in the statues eye about where the pupil is, it appears dark so maybe that is what people thought they say as Gollum.

Out.........

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Dumb-Fokker-**

01-20-2002, 04:02 PM

I checked the picture out too, but I am not inclined to doubt it. I am going to see it again this weekend, and I will look for it. I am pretty sure it is there though, there is a dark spot.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-20-2002, 04:58 PM

http://www.dailydigest.net/previewtwotowers.html

Go there. It has some great pics of deleted scenes from the first movie, and some nice TT pics.

01-20-2002, 06:27 PM

I've got the film on good quality disk...so i'm going to check that out right this minute.....

UPDATE: Yes! There is definately something black in the eye of the right statue as the camera swoops past it, which does indeed cause the birds to fly off.
Mind you, it doesn't move from what I can tell, it's just a lump of black on the face.

[This message has been edited by ak (edited 01-20-2002).]

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-20-2002, 06:45 PM

Thats cool man. Glad PJ threw in little things like that (im sure it is Gollum, and it can probably be seen alot better on the big screen). I wonder what else he threw in there.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-21-2002, 12:36 AM

Ok, since New Line is has made a shitload of money (over 500 million world-wide, and it isnt released in alot of big countires yes), how long do you think they will let the TT be?? I dont know too much about buisness prospects of the film indusrty, but with marketing, the toys, all that - do you think New Line would ket PJ make the movie longer, even if they thought they would lose some buisness because of it?? I know TT isnt as long as FotR book, but the TT definately tells alot more actual story than Fellowship, and im hoping it gets as much time as possible. Anyways, any ideas on that??

Common Sense Man

01-21-2002, 09:45 AM

Yo,

Well I still am doubtfull on the Gollum thing as I noticed the hole while in the theater and specifically looked at it the next time around and didn't see anything out of the ordinary. But check it out next time and I will most likely myself this weekend sometime.

I would love to see a longer TT but I do not think it will happen, simply because 3 hours is stretching it for most movie goers.

And after the release of the FOTR DVD I am sure they will see they have a huge market for an lengthened DVD release and plan on doing the same for the following flicks.

But hey we shall just have to wait and see.

Oh and I had to chuckle at poor ol Mr. Glass and his dormant Star Wars thread. As I said in that thread there just isn't much buzz for AOTC.

Out..........

01-21-2002, 02:34 PM

Common Sense Man - There's definately something in the eye, it looks like it could be Gollum. He's good at climbing.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-21-2002, 02:41 PM

SPOILERS

Well, I figure its time that we started talking about some of the changes PJ is going to make in the next two films. One, that I just thought of, is the final battle at the Morannon. This link takes you to a spy report, that does not sound much like the Last Alliance battle;

http://www.theonering.net/archives/spy_reports/2.26.01-3.16.01

Now, if it isnt the Last Alliance battle, what is it?? Well, I (and some people at another forum) think that Sauron will make an appearance at the battle of the Morannon. PJ has already said that he wants to give evil more of a presceance, and Sauron fighting Aragorn and almost killing him beofre he Ring is desatroyed would surely do that. Persoanally, I would like to see a battle between Aragorn and Sauron. It would give Saurons death more of a closre for the Tolkein virgins, and would just be cool as hell.

01-21-2002, 03:00 PM

I would honestly really like to see Sauron in fighting action again. He'd probably be more of a dynamic/menacing presence, and that would be wonderful.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-21-2002, 04:03 PM

Well, its my belief that all of the films will end with a major battle. Or around the end, at least. FotR had Aragorn, and Lurtz. TT will probably have Saruman and Gandalf, and RotK will have 3 major ones; Gandalf and the Witch-King, Eowyn, Merry and the Witch-King, and Aragorn and Saruman possibly. I think a bit of the foreshadowing of Aragorn and Sauron battling could be Aragorns use of the palantir, which I think will be emphasized in the TT.

01-21-2002, 05:14 PM

Really though, so many exciting things are going to happen in the next two parts of the trilogy. I can hardly wait for it all.

One thing that did interest me though, was Peter Jackson's comment that Tolkien basically sets a film up for you. His text is so rich that each scene plays itself out, unfortunately for Jackson, it's not so easy to convey these texts.

My most anticipiated part of the entire trilogy? It has always been the devastating moment that SPOILERS the ring falls with Gollum into the fires of Doom. Without doubt this will be one of the most dramatic and emotional scenes throughout the filmic trilogy. Jackson will make sure of that.
It makes me cry thinking how wonderful things are going to become....

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-21-2002, 05:33 PM

That is a matter for debate too. I dont think PJ would do it, but are audiences going to understand that fate brings Gollum too fall into the chasm?? Maybe Sam will push him in?? Maybe Gollum will grab Frodo and Frodo will slip and barly be able to hang on and Sam will save Frodo the same way Frodo saved Sam. There are alot of scenes that PJ could change to make better for film. Like Sam finding out Frodo isnt really dead. Do we have him scream, and than Sam knows, or does Sam listen to all that talk?? How do you all think this scene should play out??

Scorchlord

01-21-2002, 10:40 PM

If there's a big fight between Sauron and Aragorn, I really don't hope they have Aragorn actually beating back the Dark Lord. I mean, this is Sauron we're talking about! The ultimate bad guy! it would kind of ruin his whole mystique if Aragorn beat him without the power of the Ring.

What I'd like to see is Sauron beating the crap out of Aragorn, toying with him (saying something like, "So the blood of Isildur flows in your veins, son of Arathorn...and now, you shall meet the same fate as he!). I want Sauron to kick all ass until the end of the One Ring.

Also, maybe I'm wrong on this, but isn't the fact that the Ring isn't in his possession preventing Sauron from taking physical form? If so, how could he appear again?

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-21-2002, 11:16 PM

Sauron can assume a form, but he needs the strenght to do so. My theory is that the Ring, being near to where it is forged, and where it is its most powerful, is giving Sauron the power to assume physical form. And yes, I too wanna see Aragorn getting the shit kicked out of him, but I dont want it to just be him. I want Aragorn to be fighting a group of Orcs, and Saurons bad ass comes out, and most of the soldiers flee, except some of the Dunedain, and they fight Sauron, but are killed (not Aragorn) and than Aragorn doesnt really fight, just tries not to get killed. That would be great. But lets move on to something that we`ll see a little sooner - how do you think they will start the TT?? With a prolouge?? With Aragorn , Gimli, and Legolas?? Or with Frodo and Sam?? And what about the Isengarders, and the orcs from Mordor?? I think PJ probably axed that, but you never know.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-21-2002, 11:59 PM

Saw this, thought it was worth posting;

siverjam sends this in from Roger Friedman with Fox News: The big surprises of the night: that Lord of the Rings was completely shut out of the winning. This movie was the odds-on favorite, and certainly a perfect Golden Globe winner if ever there was one. But a lot of people I spoke to said that the movie's made "too much money" - how do you like that! - and that the Hollywood Foreign Press (which has suddenly become the bastion of respectability after years of being loony) wanted something more artistic. Thus, their choice of A Beautiful Mind.

Common Sense Man

01-22-2002, 04:48 AM

Well if you want to see what the rumoured changes are for all the films check out this link.

http://www3.tolkienonline.com/movies/changes_index.cfm

And yes AK I know Gollum can climb like a demon with his "+12 Crampons of Sharpness" I will check it out the next time I see it and will be awaiting your report if you see it again before I do.

I wouldn't put it past PJ to do that.

And I have heard that Sauromans role will be extended and that the scouring of the shire will not be in the film as in the book, as it would be like a whole other story after the climax is reached.

But PJ may include it in another sequence before the climax at MT Doom.

I haven't heard any mention of the flying Nazgul yet! what up!

I can't wait to see what they look like, to think a guy on a horse was scarry imagine a flying Nazgul at night in a dark forest.

Out.....

Scorchlord

01-22-2002, 09:15 AM

How on earth is Lord of the Rings not artistic?

What surprised me was Moulin Rouge winning for best score. Did that movie even have a score? All i remember is a bounty of anachronistic songs in a bizarre and not particularly good movie. Jeepers.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-22-2002, 02:34 PM

Here is what it COULD look like (and I think it will)

http://www.lordotrings.com/howe/howe17.asp

In fact, I think it will be for a number of reasons.

1. PJ loves scary monsters, and things that are evil-looking. Howe was a visual consultant for the whole film, so its pretty likely. I would be happy if it did. Thats an awesome design.

01-22-2002, 07:01 PM

I actually had that image as my wallpaper about a year back, and still find it a visually very intereting piece.

Ok - Here's the situation - Should I go and see the film for the third time tomorrow? Or shall I see Black Hawk Down? I probably won't see either, cause I won't wake up till about 12.20 p.m.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-23-2002, 12:56 PM

I have seen it 3 and am going to see it at least twice more. Itjust gets better everytime. BHD wasnt for me. Not enough character, too much blood, and not that entertaining. But thats just me,... Anyways, I had a bit of an accident (broke my collar bone) so I wont be on too much lately. Try and post any news concerning the DVD or the movie for me. Thanks.

Scorchlord

01-23-2002, 02:05 PM

I've now seen the movie 6 times (3 of which I paid for!) and it does get better each time.

Scorchlord

01-23-2002, 07:43 PM

http://www.chem.ucla.edu/~bnh/lotr/lotrstory00-00.html

Puck Bond

01-23-2002, 09:11 PM

Hey Scorchlord thanks for the link!! that was too cool and pretty funny looking at LOTr all done in LEGO...reminds me of my childhood when I had tons of lego's and played with them for hours.

Is it just me or did the Nazgul look like miniature Darth Vaders! lol anyway I first thought so.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-23-2002, 10:07 PM

lol Somebody went to ALOT of trouble to build all that. Nice link, Scorch.

TraceStation

01-23-2002, 10:25 PM

You know what really disapointed me in LOTR: FOTR, was that they never showed (or from what I remember) ever mentioned Tom Bombadil. I was really looking forward to seeing this big guy tromping through the forests and mountains singing nonsence and such. I know he didn't play an extreamy large part in the books, but Frodo and the gaing probably wouldn't be alive without him (im refering to the burrow-downs). Oh well, nothing I can do about it, but if you were also disapointed by this tell me if you like. =)
Hasta La Bye Bye!

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-23-2002, 10:33 PM

Saw this, and thought it was worth posting;

New Line Cinema's PG-13 rated epic The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring fell two pegs to third place in its fifth week with a still solid ESTIMATED $17.25 million at 3,266 theaters (-115 theaters; $5,281 per theater). Its cume is approximately $250.2 million, heading for $300 million or more in domestic theaters. (For three days New Line said it did an ESTIMATED $13.03 million or $3,988 per theater.)

Directed by Peter Jackson, Rings' ensemble cast is led by Elijah Wood and Ian McKellen.

''We're just chugging along,'' New Line distribution president David Tuckerman said Sunday morning. ''I think that if we don't win anything (in the Oscars) we're going to be about $300 million. I think if we win, we'll be at $350 million.''

New Line, Tuckerman said, is planning ''at some point in time to add (additional footage at the end of Rings that) will be a lot longer than a trailer, but I don't know how much longer. We're going to give (moviegoers) a preview of (the second episode of Rings). We're going to change the last reel out and do a preview of Two at the end of the last reel. (People) are screaming for it.''

When would New Line do this? ''I'm sure (it would be) after the Oscars are voted and the ballots are done,'' Tuckerman said. ''I'm pretty certain we'll end up doing it.''

Anyways, I, for one, am glad Bombadil wasnt in the film. Not because I dont like him, cause I do, but because it would have taken too much screentime away from the rest of the film. Maybe I wouldnt mind if he were on the DVD, but he would have had to have been handled extremely well.

Dumb-Fokker-**

01-23-2002, 10:43 PM

Saw this over at lordoftheringsmovie.com;
Rings hits a billion
24 JANUARY 2002
By TOM CARDY
Look out Darth Vader - The Fellowship Of The Ring could threaten Star Wars' place as the sixth biggest-grossing film of all time.
Peter Jackson's film has now notched up more than $US535 million ($NZ1.2 billion) worldwide at the box office, including four weekends as the top film in the United States.

Jackson, who returned to Wellington yesterday from the Golden Globes ceremony in Los Angeles, said he expected his film to make about $US800 million ($NZ1.8 billion). It won't open in Japan till March - potentially a big money-maker.

"It could be huge (but worldwide) I reckon around the $US800 million will be as far as we'll get, probably," he said.

If it does, the film would beat Star Wars, which grossed $US798 million worldwide.

Mr Jackson said neither he nor backers New Line Cinema had expected it to do so well.

"New Line had a break even figure in America of about $US225 million ($NZ524 million). That seemed like a very daunting task."

Newsweek Magazine has estimated Jackson will get 5 per cent of the profits from the film.

The Fellowship Of The Ring was nominated for four Golden Globes, including best drama and best director, but missed out. Mr Jackson said the first few hours at the ceremony were hard work, but he enjoyed the parties afterwards.

"There's literally two hours of press (interviews) from the time you leave your car to the time you actually walk in the door. Everything's very crowded and packed and noisy in there . . . being a nominee it's not a hell of a lot of fun because you are sitting there waiting to find out."

He said several people talked to him during commercial breaks.

"A lot of people I think were sort of interested to see who actually made this movie," he joked. "Tom Hanks came over and said he loved our film and his kids had seen it four times. Steven Spielberg popped over at one stage and talked about The Lord Of The Rings. He'd seen it twice."

Mr Jackson said the parties meant he could finally talk to film makers and stars he'd always wanted to meet, including director David Lynch. "I'm a huge David Lynch fan. We went round a few parties till we found David and I was able to have a chat with him."

Jackson is one of five people nominated by the Directors Guild of America for outstanding achievement in a feature film. Being nominated for the first time was "very special" because only directors could vote, he said. The winner is announced in March.

Mr Jackson said he was confident The Fellowship Of The Ring would be nominated for several Oscars.

Nice to see that Speilberg enjoyed it - it seems like his kind of film. In fact, if PJ hadnt been the director, Speilberg would have been my next choice. He is great with adventure stories, has a unique visual flair, and would have dont an overall excellent job. But PJ did the impossible, and did it extroidianrily.