Horror movies and....the GOTH club?????WTF??

[skweemkween]

You are watching a horror movie. One of those good guys vs. evil guys things. Insert description here (vampires, aliens, etc.) As with most evil guys/groups, there is a leader, or some schmoe that has a lot of boo-koo power so he's self-elected. They have a meeting place. Or a place to "hang out", "kick back," "blend in."

In many horror movies past, that place could be a bar, a castle, a cavernous lair, you get the picture. So tell me,
why, OH WHY has thee place for evil-doers to do some of their evil-doing been transferred to , of all places, the GOTH TECHNO CLUB????
Is it an obvious sign of the times or some kind of other ominous sign? Why are contemporary horror characters hangin' out in dark clubs?? The drink specials? The S&M shows? The kinky fashion sense? The gothy poon???

Look at the movies lately that feature the "club scene."

1.BLADE 2-So, what in the future ALL of the vampiric population are also ravers??
2.HELLRAISER 3-Kind of an old example, but still, you get the picture. Again moe S&M tied in to Pinhead, yada yada yada.
3.QUEEN OF THE DAMNED-ditto.
4.THE CROW & THE CROW 2: The 2nd one was more blatant about it's "club" footage than the first but still pu-leeze. You mean the scariest thing Iggy Pop does with his time his scare 18-yr olds on "all ages night?"
5.BRUISER-Ok more of a raver party but still, WHY a raver party? Does Romero dig trance?
6.BLADE-Again more raver stuff here. More evidence of the nosferatu needing to do burning windmills.

And so on and so forth. It's gotten pretty cliche. I'm almost ashamed to tell people I go dancing some nights just so I don't see their sympathetic looks. "Uh, yea I go to this club that plays um-techno.So how about them Bears?" Why "the club" folks? Let's hear from ya!

[the saw is family]

well i think the goth club thing gives off this image of dark people hanging out,and dark people tie right into horror i guess. i definetly agree that it's been a bit overused. if a film could find a coolw ay to use it instead of just repeating whats been done with it i think it could work. oh by the way your quote of "goth poon" is one of the funniest things ive ever heard.

[Razorblade Smile]

I can only assume that its a matter of marketing. Most of these films are aimed at today's 'rebellious youth', and I guess movie execs (Who probably know about as much of today's youth movement as I know about Tom Brokow's naval lint) try to get the teen demographic by showcasing these goth/rave clubs. Plus its an easy way to sell the Soundtrack. Rob Zombie would'nt make HALF the money he makes if it weren't for these movies. lol.

Soul Survivors is another primo example of this. (The rave club is the only decent thing about that movie)

[bowieee]

When a movie is set in modern time I'm sure the screen writers thought hmmm where would a vampire hang out nowdays. Now I would want to see a vampire hanging out in a burger king but I doubt thats going to happen in the movies. They are probably trying to make it look "hip" to the younger audience. I remember watching that buff saxaphone guy in the lost boys as a little kid and thinkig jesus christ thats cool as hell i want to go to concerts like that when i get older. Now I'm older and wiser but you can view the goth club scene in the same sort of trying to mix horror and pop culture like the lost boys but in modern times. It could be worse the vampires could be made even more pretty boy than they are becoming now. Imagine blade taking place in a starbucks. because of goth club scenes like in the movie the hunger i couldn't wait to go to one when i turned 21. When I went I found out it wasn't that big of a deal but to a younger audience it gives it a cooler vibe. I personallly cant stand raves in real life but it makes a great settign for lighting effects in a movie. Ok must stop getting off track.....

[Dehydrator]

I think skweemkween rather means that the people that dance in goth-clubs (goths, duh!)are portraid pretty clichéd and typecasted for something, even if the movie confuses goths and ravers it still brings a certain message across the screen, over to the (perhaps) not-yet-judging viewer, therefore giving goths (or ravergoths or whatever) a reputation of "U like that music, u gotta hang out with vampires. U dress like that u're a serial killer". Seems like Goth-Clubs have become the Summer Camps of the decade, you know, the place where evil dwells, there isn't ONE goth club on the whole planet where something isn't wrong. But I guess filmmakers and scriptwriters aren't gonna let the idea go before their general audience calls it a cliché and that's gonna take a long time because the general public isn't really known for it's brains.

Not really topic-related but interesting nevertheless: Since one stupid asshole ran amok in a school in germany last week (and killed about 18 people), the guy's enviroment gets dissected and banned piece by piece. SLIPKNOT aren't on MTV and VIVA (german divisions) any longer because some other stupid asshole accused them of having a song called "School Wars" and made it puplic. That's what I mean with the general public consisting of stupid assholes mostly, because they bought it and as a resault, the stupid assholes in the gouverment are going to ban even MORE music, movies, pc-games.

[spacemonkey]

I think a lot has to do also with the time the movie is made in. Some how they allways manage to sneak in a club scene into movies, more so in our marketing conscious times..Check out Fright Night for example where do the main characters end up? At the club, dancing to the latest hip tune. Its just that today the club scene in a horror movie is a goth club bacause I guess its more apropriate for the horror scene.

Also its a way to market the film to a young audience. My guess is that the filmakers think that a dance club is sinonimous with "young people", though contrary to what the filmakers think, not all youngsters like to hang out in places like this; and its also a way to slip in a few tunes into the film you know and sort of promote whatever sort of soundtrack they are selling.

[Romero&Juliet]

It IS a mega cliche. Of course goths and horror movies are too, so I'm really not suprised as to why they'd include the super mysterious goth club in a horror movie.

~~~I'm not a goth (although I DO enjoy a little kissmekissmekissme now and then)
but if I were and goths were associated with the bad ass club scene in the Hunger,
I wouldn't complain.

[msquared]

My take on it? The spots commonly used as hang-outs in these movies are usually considered dark and dangerous by the average person (dance clubs in the 80s, goth clubs now). So when people see them in the movie, it affects them on a subconscious level. The moviemakers know this, and use this to create tension.

[skweemkween]

Wow, I am so glad to see I am not the only one that is sick of this trend! You guys have a lot of great comments on the tactic.
And bowiee brought up a great alternative to the club, Starbucks, my god I would pay big money to SEE that happen. Imagine, werewolves hanging out in coffee shops, or zombies, shit that would be so funny and sadly, a likely event.

I AM what most mainstream people stereotype as "goth","darksider","punkish","beatnik" and by MY standards (and my family)I look pretty normal. So, I REALLY hate it when the music I love and the clubs I sometimes frequent become the "starbucks" of the cinematic pop culture.

[spacemonkey]

Hey kweenie you wanna see vampires hanging out at Donut shops instead of Goth Clubs? Check out a flick called Blood and Donuts its really excellent, its more character driven film but its really good! Highly recommend it! Its sort of artsy fartsy so its not really for everyone, but its worth a check.In fact Im surprised no ones mentioned much of this cool flicck around here.. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6304171781.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

[skweemkween]

Whoa, I wasn't done. Accidentally hit the "post reply" button by mistake. That's what I get for trying to work and play at the same time. Your head implodes. Anyway...


...hate it when the music/clubs I frequent become passe. Sorry to preach , but it starts to feel like scientists or more appropriately sociologists with magnifying glasses have put you and what you like, your lifestyle routines under a microscope to see what makes it "tick." Kind of feels like an invasion.
And when you see your lifestyle,recreational activities things that you deem "personal",
your "calgon take me away" represented in such a way as to make you cringe, you get irked.

For example, how many harcore role-playing schmoes got sick of seeing your past time portrayed in stereo-type form as "geeks" with "no lives" in not only horror movies but comedies, adventure stories, and romance movies? Made you want to rush in to the defence shouting,"hey, it's not like that!"

Kind of how I feel when I see black patent leather and brandings for the umpteenth time in a horror movie.

[skweemkween]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by spacemonkey:
Hey kweenie you wanna see vampires hanging out at Donut shops instead of Goth Clubs? Check out a flick called Blood and Donuts its really excellent, its more character driven film but its really good! Highly recommend it! Its sort of artsy fartsy so its not really for everyone, but its worth a check.In fact Im surprised no ones mentioned much of this cool flicck around here.. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6304171781.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg </font>


Dude, I had it on tape for a long time!!!!
Yes, great character flick!!

[Corpse Candle]

The thing is the director of goth horror films take for granted the fact that the evil WANTS to move with the times.
For instance take BLADE 2 a goth drum and bass/hardcore club is certainly modern but why would a vampire that may have lived for centurys prefer classical music to drum loops and repetitive bass lines.
Yes they could do but well some but not all personaly I can only like music that I have personaly discovered.
It would be completely different if I was growing up or an adult when mozart was emerging on the classical scene.