Larry Clark

[pizowell]

i couldn't help but notice tha arrow bashing my boy larry clark.

duder ya know i got massive luv fo ya and his new movie may suck, but check out bully. i loved that flick!

[stevereno]

i was very disturbed by KIDS its so in-your-face

loved your review arrow.that pizza convo. made me laugh for aprox. 22 minutes(thats right i timed myself http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif)

SHIVER ME TIMBERS

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

Larry has made 2 amazing movies: Bully and Kids. He's also made a half decent one: Another Day in Paradise. But man the guy is sick, the sex and nudity in Bully was so fucking gratuitous (although it essentially had a point) but Larry come on! Turning a horror movie into a Teenage Sex Romp doesn't make you cool bud, it makes you sick. I agree that many horror movies have gratuitous nudity but this shit is ridiculous and has no point!

Matt

[Romero&Juliet]

I LOVE Larry Clark...

the guy has this incredible talent for making kids act to the very BEST pf their potentential...Actors like chloe sevinge(<~~SPELLING!!!), brad Renfro and Nick Stahl should all get some serious commendation for their acting and Stick around, even ...rather than fade into the child actor obscurity thing..

I HATED another day in Paridise though.;...hell, I had no idea the guy ven had anything to do with it!!
Bully Is my favorite of his so far..
Great Movie!!!

[The Arrow]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pizowell:
i couldn't help but notice tha arrow bashing my boy larry clark.

duder ya know i got massive luv fo ya and his new movie may suck, but check out bully. i loved that flick!</font>

I've seen Bully and although I liked the basic premise, Nick Stahl's performance and its disturbing "kill" scene, I felt it was ruined by Clark's "token" perv execution of the material and very unlikeable leads (I was rooting for the bully). Clark just aint my thing, to each his own.

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

You were rooting for the Bully?!?! That's strange Arrow, even for you, lol. He was one sick motherfucker. I know the teens who killed him were too, but the guy did some truly sick things. But I agree, Larry's a perv.

Matt

[bowieee]

I just watched bully 2 nights ago and I was floored. Sure the lead actors and actresses were unlikeable but it was really realistic. i wrok with homeless teens and kids coming from gang backgrounds. I felt like I was at fucking work every minute of the film. The scene were that one kid was on the couch singing along to enimem Is action for action face expression for face face expression the same exact scene that happened at my work. Sure the move whores it up alot but it was extremely realistic and I have to commend it for the picture it paints of troubled teens because it hit the nail right on the head. Life aint pretty sometimes folks and this film shows us as clark is so good at the dark side of growing up. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Romero&Juliet]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The Arrow:
I've seen Bully and although I liked the basic premise, Nick Stahl's performance and its disturbing "kill" scene, I felt it was ruined by Clark's "token" perv execution of the material and very unlikeable leads (I was rooting for the bully).</font>


Wow!! Good point!!
I can totally see where you're coming from on that....

Although Stahl and Renfo had their shit together, that aspect of the plot really made me uneasy...Coming from total natuarlism in Kids to this trumped up stuff had me wondering whether he has any kind of standpoint on this sort of thing at ALL!!

It almost felt that the near exploitation of a VERY serious murder case, involving some really fucked up teens was contradicting what kids was trying to accomplish.

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

Now, although I think he's sick (as stated above), with Kids and especially Bully he was conveying what actually happened. Lisa was fucking both guys and got raped by Bobby, Ali slept around with everyone (her being a former prostitute), which also goes for Heather. They were all very sexually active together, Bobby really taped that guy pleasuring himself, Bobby actually raped both girls, he also was said to watch gay pornography. These things may be sick but they did happen. I think it's more sick when a director showcases rape and teenage sexuality to bring in the bucks, Larry does it (in Bully anyway) to illustrate the type of kids they were. BUT, Teenage Caveman was just a silly excuse for him to parade young women naked. But at least it had the gore.

Matt

[The Arrow]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Requiem-for-a-Dream:
Now, although I think he's sick (as stated above), with Kids and especially Bully he was conveying what actually happened. Lisa was fucking both guys and got raped by Bobby, Ali slept around with everyone (her being a former prostitute), which also goes for Heather. They were all very sexually active together, Bobby really taped that guy pleasuring himself, Bobby actually raped both girls, he also was said to watch gay pornography. These things may be sick but they did happen. I think it's more sick when a director showcases rape and teenage sexuality to bring in the bucks, Larry does it (in Bully anyway) to illustrate the type of kids they were. BUT, Teenage Caveman was just a silly excuse for him to parade young women naked. But at least it had the gore.

Matt</font>

There's a scene in Bully where Bijoux Phillips is talking on the phone about "nothing special". She's dressed and wearing a skirt. At a certain point the camera cuts away from her face to go under her skirt, giving us a see through her underwear crotch shot, the camera stays there for a couple of seconds as Bijoux talks on the phone. The point of that shot???? NONE. That's why I hate Larry Clark.

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

Arrow, please don't think that I condone shit like that, I don't, I understand completely where you're coming from. I was only speaking of the realistic approaches he took, not the exploitive approaches. I completely agree with you on the numerous crotch shots, they weren't called for. But the movie itself was brilliantly put together and disturbed the hell out of me.

Matt



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[The Arrow]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Requiem-for-a-Dream:
Arrow, please don't think that I condone shit like that, I don't, I understand completely where you're coming from. I was only speaking of the realistic approaches he took, not the exploitive approaches. I completely agree with you on the numerous crotch shots, they weren't called for. But the movie itself was brilliantly put together and disturbed the hell out of me.

Matt



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I understand where your coming from bro and see how you could've dug the flick. But I personnaly just couldn't get passed the "perv stuff" to get to enjoy the "substance" of the movie. Clark's "tendencies" ruined it for me. I think in the hands of a less self indulging director, I would've enjoyed Bully more.



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[Dehydrator]

Short question for Arrow:

Did you notice Larry Clark's pedo-tendencies upon viewing KIDS or did somebody tell you about it before? I've never heard the movie to be read in that way and although I've seen it(and rather liked it in a "anarchy" kind of way) in the theaters and talked alot about it with my friends (who all hated it), I wouldn't have guessed something like that (that the director is influenced by his own pedoteenophilia upon shooting the flick) but then again, I'm not familiar with his other works (and your review and the title of TEENAGE CAVEMAN doesn't really make me curious). So, am I missing out on something? Is Larry Clark "infamous" for this?

[Cyclonus]

I've seen Kids, which was one of the most unpleasant viewing experiences of my life. I don't care how "realistic" it was--much of it was there for shock value.

Arrow, did you see Gummo, directed by Kids screenwriter Harmony Korine? I'd have to wonder what you thought of that one.

[HannibalGuy]

Larry's directing style remindes me of Victor Salva's style in Clownhouse. If he is a pedophiliac, he lets it get in the way of his movies. Like in Clownhouse, Salva has many shots of kids in their underwear. And in Clark's films he lots of naked teens.

Little known fact: my last name is Clark.

[The Arrow]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dehydrator:
Short question for Arrow:

Did you notice Larry Clark's pedo-tendencies upon viewing KIDS or did somebody tell you about it before? I've never heard the movie to be read in that way and although I've seen it(and rather liked it in a "anarchy" kind of way) in the theaters and talked alot about it with my friends (who all hated it), I wouldn't have guessed something like that (that the director is influenced by his own pedoteenophilia upon shooting the flick) but then again, I'm not familiar with his other works (and your review and the title of TEENAGE CAVEMAN doesn't really make me curious). So, am I missing out on something? Is Larry Clark "infamous" for this? </font>

I made my mind on Larry Clark's "tendencies" upon viewing all of his films. I picked up bit of "smut" through Kids but due to the subject matter it felt somewhat justified (I said somewhat, I still think lots of it was senseless).

His other films confirmed to me that he was a perv. Its no coincidence that ALL of his films sport teen orgies and teen nudity with that camera all up in there (the close ups in Bully and TC were so out of line). He actually goes out of his way to slap those scenes in there, often interrupting the narrative in the process.

Bully in particular was the nail in the head for me. The nudity interfered too much with the story for me to get into it. Teenage Caveman re-confirmed to me that I will never be able to appreciate this man's work and yes I'm writing him off. Its a remake of a 50's horror movie for god's sakes! What's with the teen orgies AGAIN? Whats with the extreme close ups of teens asses as they slip off their underwear? Or the quick camera peeks at boys with boners through their underwear COME ON! GET OVER IT ALREADY!

Its one thing to put nudity in a film to serve the story or even arouse the viewer but when I watched Bully and Teenage Caveman in particular, all I saw was a director getting off on his own shit. The nudity/sex is senseless to the point of being ludicrous. Even some Larry Clark fans admit that he's a perv (see JoBlo's BULLY review...he loved the movie but adresses the "perv" factor), I on the other hand just can't get passed it.

Again this is my opinion and I dont look down on Larry Clark fans. To each his own. I think its common knowledge in the industry that the man is addicted to teen sex. If its not his "teen sex" heavy movies, its his books with nude teen photographies in them. I think the man needs help or a good lay...but thats just me.



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[bluegopher]

Salva was arrested for his pedophiliac ways. He allegedly molested a young boy on the set of Clownhouse. Disgusting. I can't believe that Clark and Salva are allowed to make such voyeuristic movies and aren't questioned about it by Hollywood.

[Elgyn]

First of all, I think "Kids" is the most OVERRATED piece of crap ever. It`s not interesting, it`s not particulary entertaining (intercut scenes of boys and girls talking about sex, wow how clever....and then it goes on for like fifteen fucking minutes!)
In real life, the main character guy (I think his name was Telly) would get his ass kicked daily! I`m supposed to believe this guy gets laid all the time? He`s a LISPING DORK! He even reminds me of DJ Qualls, the nerd guy from "Road Trip" and "The New Guy".

The only reason this movie was popular in the first place is because all the controversy surrounding it`s release.
I did notice Clark`s pedo-tendencies. Creepy.

I haven`t seen "Bully" yet. I`ve heard it`s very good, and has gotten great reviews. Maybe one day if I`m bored and have a free rental, I`ll check it out.

NOW........ "Gummo" on the other hand, is brilliant. It`s like viewing someone`s nightmare...literally! Arrow you really need to review this one!

[stevereno]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Elgyn:

NOW........ "Gummo" on the other hand, is brilliant. It`s like viewing someone`s nightmare...literally! Arrow you really need to review this one!</font>

GUMMO IS THE FUNNIEST FUCKING MOVIE EVER!

i swear to god i never laughed so hard when that retard girl shaved her eye brows off and thought a doll was her "baby" and that other part when those 2 girl were seeing if there cat was pregnant so her "checked" with their fingers "EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW"

wicked awesome spanktackular flick

SHIVER ME TIMBERS

[pizowell]

ARROW,
number 1: are you complaining about nudity in a movie!? a hot chick neked! dude?

the other thing: clark was showing how the character was flawed with that shot. how she is sexually permiscuous, thusly drawing people like the bully and other flawed and tragic characters to her. which comes to a head in the climax of the film...

[Cyclonus]

I still haven't worked up the nerve to rent Gummo. Note to Arrow: I disavow any responsibilty of mental damage that might result from your viewing of the film. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Antonio]

Larry Clark, Roman Polanski and Victor Salva need to collaborate on a horror anthology film!

[pizowell]

gummo is one of the most messed up movie experiences i've ever had. its a movie u'll never forget.

[The Arrow]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by pizowell:
ARROW,
number 1: are you complaining about nudity in a movie!? a hot chick neked! dude?

the other thing: clark was showing how the character was flawed with that shot. how she is sexually permiscuous, thusly drawing people like the bully and other flawed and tragic characters to her. which comes to a head in the climax of the film...</font>

1- I think my previous posts in this thread explain my problem with Larry Clark and nudity.

2- If that's the way you see it, fine...I on the other hand couldn't read that in a senseless crotch shot. What did the close ups on teen boners mean during the rave scene? To show how hard their souls are? COME ON!

3- I will NOT be seeing Gummo (just doesn't appeal to me) and I've said all had to say about Larry Clark.

Arrow be out!

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

Great thread. Thanks for replying Arrow.
Clarke does it for shock value, and to appeal to his own sexual desires. But I can't say he's a perv without saying that about many other directors of the horror genre (and other). In a lot of the Friday the 13th flicks, young women shed their clothes for the sole purpose of getting money. If Larry does it, I can't bash him for doing the same thing that thousands of other directors have done, or can I? Arrow, this isn't directed to you since you said you have nothing more to say on the subject.
At least in Bully and Teenage Caveman the teens weren't actually teens (besides Kelly Garner who only showed her butt). I think getting women naked for that purpose alone is wrong but since it's been done so many times before, I'm not going to pick Mr.Clark's name out of the batch.

Matt

[countchocula]

I'm really not in the right position to comment on this subject since I haven't seen any of Clark's films, but I'll throw my two cents in anyway. From what I gather, there is a difference between the collective smut in a F13 flick and smut in a Clark flick. In The Final Chapter, the gratuitous nudity is brief and doesn't get in the way of the storyline (or lack thereof). Instead, it accentuates the campiness of the film. Supposedly, in Teenage Caveman, the sex scenes supercede the storyline to the point that you can hardly call it a horror film at all. It interrupts the flow of things. Again, I may not be accurate here.

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

Count, what you said is very true. I guess Friday the 13th flicks weren't the best example but I think my point is clear (maybe Bordello of Blood or Faust would be better examples). He and so many others do the same thing, exploit women...not cool. I don't mind nudity at all (obviously) but I still think there is a moral aspect to it that is wrong when it's there to bring in cash. Larry really should have tried a different approach to Teenage Caveman, what worked as cautionary tales in drama flicks doesn't translate too well into the horror genre. But as long as studios pay him to make flicks, he will make them. His next movie sounds just like another Bully or Kids, it's called Ken Park.

Matt

[deadsy]

teenage caveman was an awful movie experience. I couldn't believe how crappy this film was, I was highly dissapointed in Larry Clark's efforts. It seemed like he did this for cash or something.

anyways i have a couple comments..

1. Kids didn't have a lot of nudity in it. It had a lot of sex but for the most part it wasn't all breasts.

2. another day in paradise was a great movie that once again, didn't have a lot of sex in it. if i recall, there is only one scene and natasha gregson wagner doesn't show a lot.

3. bully was a real good movie, but i think that the nudity went kinda far. I think Larry Clark just thought Bijou phillips and rachel minor were too hot to not be naked in the film. seriously though, that's what all these kids did.

4. teenage caveman was without a doubt, the worst Clark film. Even in comparison, his other films are lightyears beyond this dreck. It was boring, stupid, had a lame ass script, awful actors, and ugly chicks getting naked.

I can only imagine that he did this for money or something.

those are my opinions

deadsy