rotten.com

[ICP RULZ]

Why does the MPAA leave films such as "Faces of Death" and "Traces of Death" to be distributed and yet cuz down movies until there is almost no gore or blood at all in other movies such as Friday the 13th:Part 7?Or they even allow movies such as Street Trash or NekRomantik to be made,and those are far worse than Faces of death.I posted it in another topic,but no one answerd me.Is it because no one knows the answer?

[The Shadow]

What the hell does this have to do with rotten.com? Maybe the reason no one answered you is because no one knows what you are saying.

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[ICP RULZ]

It dosent really have much to do with rotten.com,but it does have to do with Faces of death.I was just using rotten.com as a example.But i guess it isent a good one.Sorry for the confusion.

[Jason Voorhees]

The MPAA has little to do with series' like ''Face's of Death'' and the like, those filmsd are intended for a niche audience who understand what they are about to witness.

F13TH and most other such films, are intended for a mainstream audience or theatrical release, so they must have an R rating, As most theaters wont show NC-17 rated films. Unfortunately the MPAA is a bit heavyhanded about some films, which is why a few of the more notable horror series' receive some pretty brutal cuts.

[SykkBoy]

Movies going straight to video don't require an MPAA rating...technically an MPAA rating isn't needed for a theatrical relewase, but 99.9% of theaters won't carry an unrated movie...the MPAA just :suggests" cuts in movies to achieve their desired rating...it still sucks though....no one has any balls these days...movies are getting mroe tedious and watered down due to it....but I'm glad to see channels like IFC are showing more unrated/uncut movies....

[Boogeyman]

sorry but i have o say one thing about ROTTEN.COM

it is the sickest thing ive ever seen. i dunno how anyone could make a website like that
i can handle horror movies and real violence in the real world,but why wold you WANT to see that?

just a question...

later

[ICP RULZ]

Same,I think that the people who actualy enjoy watching this shit has got to be demented or else they are a loser with no life.How on earth could you get enjoyment from other peoples deaths?Do people not realize that the person who was killed has a family?They were real live people.I admit i have gone into rotten.com a few times,but that was just with curisity.I havent been back since.I remember one day my ex-friend went into a website called Grosteque.com,and he went into movies.He downloaded a video wich showed some chick beging for her life only to be shot in the head.I dont know how people can watch this shit.It should be taken of the net for good.The reason why they should take it off the net is because what cause does it have in this world?People who are studying at medical school or something would have their own nasty books to look at.These website have no value at all.Where as they have website such as this fine one to tell people what they want to know about a movie before they see it.It has a reason.Rotten.com and the other ones dont have a reason.And if you guys really want to hear some sick shit,then check out their message boards.I also remember along time ago,there was this other reviewer.I went into his website and found some reviews.The reviews were all for movies banned in alot of the countries.But then i clicked on his essays.I found the essay's to be really disturbing.He thought children and kids should be killed off.He also said if he was the dictator of the world,he would make it illegal to have kids,and if a woman got pregnant then he woul get to kick their stumach until the fetus stops breathing.These people are obviously mental.How on earth could someone think like that.What does this website have any reason for being on the web.It is sensless.But that was just me ranting on and on about this shit.It makes me mad that people actualy live in society like this.Just my thought though.........

[The Shadow]

Very well said ICP. I agree with you 110%

[WalkingTarget666]

I definitely agree as well. Have you seen the excuses given for the sites and videos and all that showcase death? They say it "helps people really appreciate life." It makes a LOT of sense when they show real car accidents, murders, etc.
hehe...of course it does...
The thing I find really sick though is that with strange folks like that whoever from sickopath.com, people just tend to leave them be or pretend like there's no such thing as horrible people like that.
Granted, I think we're all a little sick watching and loving movies where at least 5 or more people get killed for no real apparant reason (even if it IS a movie,) but WE'RE the ones who are usually labeled as the sick and strange people. Individuals who thrive on death, rape, and whatever else are the ones who should be scorned instead.
Look at "Irreversible," "I Spit On Your Grave," "Last House On The Left," sick things like this happen nearly everday, and it's all just shrugged off because we have our own lives and the goverment is still spending tax dollars to see what's out there on other planets. Sometimes it just makes me so so sick...

[skweemkween]

I am glad there are people of morals and values here. If you think these things are sick, just imagine, IMAGINE how brainwashed those little kids over in the Middle Eastern countries that are trained, raised, and fed the ideals of killing Americans or ANYONE that is different from them? Imagine the hatred that is being spoonfed to them every hour of their lives. When they grow up, they will make rotton.com look like a children's pop-up book. THAT is sick.

[SykkBoy]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ICP RULZ:
Same,I think that the people who actualy enjoy watching this shit has got to be demented or else they are a loser with no life.How on earth could you get enjoyment from other peoples deaths?Do people not realize that the person who was killed has a family?They were real live people.I admit i have gone into rotten.com a few times,but that was just with curisity.I havent been back since.I remember one day my ex-friend went into a website called Grosteque.com,and he went into movies.He downloaded a video wich showed some chick beging for her life only to be shot in the head.I dont know how people can watch this shit.It should be taken of the net for good.The reason why they should take it off the net is because what cause does it have in this world?People who are studying at medical school or something would have their own nasty books to look at.These website have no value at all.Where as they have website such as this fine one to tell people what they want to know about a movie before they see it.It has a reason.Rotten.com and the other ones dont have a reason.And if you guys really want to hear some sick shit,then check out their message boards.I also remember along time ago,there was this other reviewer.I went into his website and found some reviews.The reviews were all for movies banned in alot of the countries.But then i clicked on his essays.I found the essay's to be really disturbing.He thought children and kids should be killed off.He also said if he was the dictator of the world,he would make it illegal to have kids,and if a woman got pregnant then he woul get to kick their stumach until the fetus stops breathing.These people are obviously mental.How on earth could someone think like that.What does this website have any reason for being on the web.It is sensless.But that was just me ranting on and on about this shit.It makes me mad that people actualy live in society like this.Just my thought though.........</font>

ya know, there are a few congressmen who feel the same way about horror movies....wonder what you will think when they demand Jason be banned from video stores and movie theaters...
humans have always had a fascination with death, each culture looks at it differently. The stereotypes you have of people who visit these sites is the EXACT same stereotype some congressmen and clergy have of horro movie fans...I guess it's a good thing their opinions are just taken as fact and giving them an excuse to censor what they don't like...the fascination with these sites isn't erotic like a porn site would be...it's a curiosity factor, not whack off material (we tend to have these same conversations on the adult webmaster boards http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif) Just because someone has a curiosity about death, it doesn't mean they are sickos or deranged or looking to go on a murder spree...how many people have been (or claimed to have been) influenced by horror movies? now, how many have from looking at a medical encyclopedia or rotten.com?

don't mistake fascination with joy or pleasure...

[ICP RULZ]

No,I am not saying everyone is sick and demented,but when they make websites like that,it gives everyone a bad name.I know i would never rent movies like the ones shown on sickopath.com(Even though i did rent one along time ago)but what cause do they have?What is their right to be here?They have none.I watch horror movies because i like to be scared.Well i dont have homocidal tendencys from those movies.BECAUSE I KNOW THEY ARE FAKE.But when they start showing real life violence,that has gone too far.I know that is just my opinion,but how on earth could people actualy like looking at those pictures?I find them repulsive.I have only thought one of the pictures had a reason to be around.It showed a woman who was a drugs and how she wasted her life away.That pictures shows what happens to people who do drugs.But the other ones such as dead babies.They are just decensstizing people.What happens if one of my brothers accendentaly goes into it?My brother is 10 years old by the way,what impact do you think it will have on him?Im geussing not a very good one.And what about the peoples family's?What happens if they finaly get over the loved ones death and go to rent a movie and see their husband/brother/sister whatever relastion to them and the rack of movie has their death all over ir and get the best part,you can rent it for only 2 dollars.I feel it is wrong to make websites such as this.What happens if another person becomes president or something and they have the same plans that hitler did back in 1932?And what happens if someone goes out a kills someone and says they were just fascinated?These websites and movies have to have a impact on society.As i am writing this my brothers are watching Jenny Jones,and guesse what,its about rape.Well that show does have a reason,it shows afterwards how it affects their family and how dangerous it is to rape someone.Oh ya,by the way,the girl who was raped later commited suicide.But when you watch movies such as "Faces of Death" and go to websites such as rotten.com,it has to be doing something to your brain.How could someone like or even be fascinated by this stuff.If they are fascinated by this stuff,who can say they wont go out and kill someone and say they were just fascinated by it.

[bluegopher]

Just because one likes horror movies doesn't make them mentally unstable. They might just want to be scared in the safety of their own home or movie theatre. As for the Faces of Death films and rotten.com, they shouldn't be allowed to exist. Like the killers in Murder By Numbers, someone could say that they were just experimenting when they killed someone else or they could say that they were bored or something similar.

[asyouwish530]

As sick as these sites are, people are always going to be morbidly curious enough to check them out anyway. Is the reason why people enjoy watching horror any different from why they would want to gawk at grotesque things as graphic as what is shown on these websites? There are some sick, sick individuals out there who do get off on the fantasy of such brutality, and then those who actually do act upon their impulses. Nothing is taboo on the internet, I mean, even if it's ever been at all. That's the difference of the trash movies like stupid Faces of Death, which is the fakest bunch of bullshit I've ever seen, and MPAA rated horror films. People want to walk the line between fantasy and reality, maybe in some strange intrigue of what death will ultimately be like and in what form. I own a Banned From Television tape and it showcases some of the most horrible shit that happens to these people. Society has become so obsessed with this reality TV crap, they can't get enough of seeing stuff like some poor dumbass lady getting plowed in two by a train. It's all how you want to look at it, because nothing is sacred these days.

[ICP RULZ]

Ya,but I do look for kool kills and stuff in horror movies because i know it FAKE.But when people start looking at this other crap,then that has gone to far.I remember someone saying in a old posts,"Why have the fake stuff when you can have the real stuff"I think that the person who said that has to be desturbed.Why would they like to watch that?Why do they like dead people.I remember when i saw The Toxic Avenger and i thought that that movie was sick.The girl masterbating to dead boy,well there are people like that in real life.Why let them have these website so that they can continue to do that.It will only make them want to go one step further.

[Ed]

ANYWAYS, i think rotten.com is the most disgusting and disturbing thing i´ve seen, why? because most of it is real! head blown up, a chick eating her own shit, a body cut in peaces, jeesh!

[ICP RULZ]

Exactly,It is just groos,it should be taken down.I ahve already stated my reason in the 2 messages before.

[SykkBoy]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ICP RULZ:
Exactly,It is just groos,it should be taken down.I ahve already stated my reason in the 2 messages before.</font>

Coquitlam? I almost bought a place there, up on Johnston Hill by the golf course....ended up staying in the states, but love it up there...

back on subject, you have an opinion and are entitled to it, but when you think you can start dictating what people can have on their websites, it set a dangerous precedent...other than things that are already illegal anyways (childporn, etc.)
the very same excuses you use to condemn these sites are the same ones legislatures try to use to ban horror films....it doesn't matter if it's real or fake to them...

everyone here (myself included) goes apeshit over censorship in movies and having gore cut out of movies, yet advocate what someone else should be able to view or publish? If you don't like the sites, by all means don't visit them...they don't do much for me either, so I just simply avoid them...there's a large internet full of stuff I do enjoy looking at....

hell, I have a fascination with serial killers...not that I want to be one or think they are any type of hero, just fascinated by what makes them tick...what makes them do what they do....

you still confuse fascination with something as approving of what people are fascinated with...

[ICP RULZ]

Damn,I thought no onw would say that.I also agree with you.I simply just ignore it.But although I agree with you totaly,I feel they could do more to stop people from going into the websites.Because what heppens if a little kid goes into it?They should have somethinglike the adult check when you go into porn sites.They shouldent just allowe them to site their.

[skweemkween]

I will get flack for saying this, but I don't care. While this is an amazing country, we are too free. We have TOO many freedoms. Why? Because, the concept of self-expression within contemporary society is tainted. It is tainted and twisted. Before, we had something important to say , to address. It it was for the betterment of mankind and the securement of our future. Now, we say too much. We say anything with hot air blowing out of our asses and it's protected by the Amendment even though it may have little merit to society and it's future. We have become a white trash nation. One with many colors.
It doesn't matter what is said. People now who are dysfunctional, ignorant, and abusive
are free to spread their dysfunctional, ignorant, and abusive rhetoric to the masses, and it is deemed important.

One of the more horrid results of this is this country's lack of respect for the disceased. Our dead and whatever violence involved to cause their death is dismissed with so little as a chuckle and funny caption. The people who write these captions for websites such as rotten.com may feel they are falling back on their coping style of humour to help them in the acceptance process of death. But they only show their callousness and detachment of the soul. We are all getting callouses and showing detachment. And that is sad.
And while us horror fans are grounded enough to understand the difference, intelligent enough to justify our interests, the people at websites, magazines,etc. that take pride with their funny captions for dead children have already given us their reasons for doing so: they DON'T care.

[ICP RULZ]

Good reason.I dident even think of that.

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by skweemkween:
I will get flack for saying this, but I don't care. While this is an amazing country, we are too free. We have TOO many freedoms.

I can never agree with this statement, every (gene) pool will have a few rotten apples, We absolutely should not let them spoil it for the rest of us, even if they are the majority.

I agree with everyone else you said, these people are desensitized and uncaring, but who are we to encroach upon their freedoms? How would we feel if the politicians decided horror films were bad for us and banned them? There are a lot of close minded fools out there who do think horror movies cause killers and inspire madness, and other such folderol. Would we sound hypocritcally like those same people in lobbying to get things like Rotten.com banned?

I certainly don't agree with the idea of a site like Rotten.com, but as long as they aren't actually murdering people to put on their site, we have no right or power to shut them down.

I feel that anyone touting their moral superiority in a crusade to eradicate something comes off as sounding hypocritcal, but thats just me. Please don't be offended by what I am saying. I'm referring to the moral majority and those closeminded folk, and I know we are not like them.

Again my apologies, I do not mean to offend the people here. You are all decent, intelligent, and well spoken.

[ICP RULZ]

I agree 100% with you.They do have a right to keep the website up.We wouldent like it if Horror movies became banned.I know many of my friends parents said that people who watched horror movies would become killers,well I havent killed anyone yet.WE have no right to shut down those websites.I agree 100% percent.But it should be harder to get into the websites such as rotten.com.They should have a adult check like they do for porn sites.It is too easy to get into those sites.

Peace

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by ICP RULZ:
I agree 100% with you.They do have a right to keep the website up.We wouldent like it if Horror movies became banned.I know many of my friends parents said that people who watched horror movies would become killers,well I havent killed anyone yet.WE have no right to shut down those websites.I agree 100% percent.But it should be harder to get into the websites such as rotten.com.They should have a adult check like they do for porn sites.It is too easy to get into those sites.

Peace

I agree, you are exactly right. These sites should be relegated to a members only staus or something like that, That way only people who truly want to visualize the sites content can get in.

Thanks for the support ICP.

Man I hope I don't become ostracized from the rest of the schmoes..

[skweemkween]

Jason , honey, no you are not ostracized. And you most certainly did not offend me. I actually don't remember saying rotton.com should be shut down. I just think their injection on tasteless humour as captions needs to be eliminated. A picture is a picture, but when you add words, it becomes something else entirely. They shouldn't editorialize. Just show the damn picture and keep your beavis and butthead mouth shut.

Your entitled to your opinion and I respect for it. Don't be so hard on yourself!

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by skweemkween:
Jason , honey, no you are not ostracized. And you most certainly did not offend me. I actually don't remember saying rotton.com should be shut down. I just think their injection on tasteless humour as captions needs to be eliminated. A picture is a picture, but when you add words, it becomes something else entirely. They shouldn't editorialize. Just show the damn picture and keep your beavis and butthead mouth shut.

Your entitled to your opinion and I respect for it. Don't be so hard on yourself

Thank you Skweem http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif, You rock!

Actually I didn't see your point as well before, Now I understand exactly what you mean and you are right. These idiots should lay off their sick attempts at ''Humor'' and not try to make light of very serious material. My comment about shutting the site down was directed toward those who feel that it should be taken down, but the comment was without malice and not meant to be antagonistic.

Thank you for understanding me http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif, Oh and we may have a debate on our hands over at the ''Why do Horror movies have naked women'' topic lol. May the best arguments win!

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[skweemkween]

No problem, dude. Oh and as for the other thread's debate? May the best WOMAN win.

[Jason Voorhees]

lol http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif, Agreed. Too bad I'm a guy, effectively killing my chances of winning with one stroke...

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[Elgyn]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by skweemkween:

While this is an amazing country, we are too free. We have TOO many freedoms. Why? Because, the concept of self-expression within contemporary society is tainted.
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Too many freedoms? Go live in China or Korea for a while, then come back and talk to me about how America is "too free".

[ICP RULZ]

I live in british Columbia in Canada.We have probably the most laxed rules.We can smoke weed on the street,most cornor stores sell beer to minors.We have soo much freedom.And did you know that we columbians live the longest in Canada?The less rules the better.But they are too lax on some things such as porn(wich I love)and drugs(wich I also love).People light up on the street and there have been many incidents wich involve people getting molested.So has much as I love this country,we have too much freedom.Website such as rotten.com should have a higher security.

Peace

[Toxferatu]

i was going through a bout of depression for a while and these things were fascinating to me, i would visit rotten.com every couple days and watch faces of death about once a week. then one day, i started feeling better and just cant look at that stuff anymore. its sick, but its not illegal. no offense meant, but you saying those sites shuld be taken down is no better than the government trying to ban horror. no it isnt different, if people want to look at something they have the right if its legal and what they are doing is.

like i said, i cant look at it anymore. i did but i just cant anymore. i dont think it should be shut down, its legal. dont like it, dont go there. plain and simple. there are lots of things i dont like but i dont start yelling "SHUT IT DOWN" or "BAN IT" i do what is right, i jsut ignore it. when something is banned or shut down, your depriving people of joy. as sick as that is, people are enjoying it and they have that right. i dont like it anymore, so no i dont go there i dont like it. but i dont care if it exists.

just think how awful you would feel if horror was banned, same thing.

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[ICP RULZ]

Yes,I agree 100%,but they could control it more by putting a adult check or members only ban on it.So little kids cant get into it.It should be like porn.I would be horrified if they banned Horror movies.But there is a huge difference between the two.One is fake and the other is real.I just find it realy disturbing.

Peace

[Toxferatu]

but it ISNT different, its still banning things some people enjoy. as sick as it is, and it is sick, people still have the right to view things if they want to. now i agree with the adultcheck definetly, thats the solution to all of this. but banning no, thats not fair. nothing should be banned, maybe harder to access but not banned. now if they adultchecked all porn, i wouldnt be able to get any http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif. i needs my porn http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif.

but i dont see what hte problem is, now i do see why anyone would hate that site. i hate it. but you ahve to type in teh address to get there, no one can make you do that but yourself. if you see it, you brought yourself there. so just ignore it, thats all. i'm not trying to start anything here, you guys are cool and i dont want to get on your bad sides. its been cool the little time i've been here. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[ICP RULZ]

Ya,no one can make you go on it.but what happens if some little kid goes on the net and just starts typing in adresses or they accendently go on it and it does some damage to their mind.Cuz I know when I went on it cuz some friends told me about it and how gross it was and I wanted to see for myself,well to get to the point,I got nightmares from seeing just a few pictures.Plus some things should be banned such as heroin or coke.Harmful matiriel should be banned.That is why Heroin and Coke is banned.Well this is harmful.


I am not saying banning it will solve the problam,but it will be better then leaving it on the net.Cuz i think that the people who look at this stuff will grow up to be like David Berqowistz.I think that it might just rub off on someone the wrong way and they could start thinking like Jeffrey Dahmer.They might think it is cool to look at dead things.And for all those people who do look at this shit and say they are just fascinated by it,well then I have a question for you guys,would you guys say I should go to jail if I brutaly slaughtered someone and then when the court asks why I did it and I say I did it out of fascination.?

There is also a huge difference between someone who likes watching blood and gore on horror movies because it is FAKE.But when you like to look and watch REAL people die,then there is something wrong.Can you garentee that the people who look at that website or the other websites just like it wont go and kill someone cuz they got "tired" of the pictures?


Or what about the peoples family?Would you like it if your child/husband,whatever relation to you ended up dying and then once you get over it you find a video at the store showing his/her death for 99cents?Or accendentaly going to this website and seeing him/her dead?Just think about that.

P.S.
I dont think you have gotten on anyones bad side.I do see where you are coming from,and you have made some good points,that is why i agree with you.And I hope you enjoy yourself on this board.

Peace

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[Toxferatu]

exactly, but i think that some membership fee would do it. no sample photos or anything, if someone wants to see it that bad let them pay for it. i will almost guarantee those sites would go bancrupt, how many people would want THAT on thier credit card statment? i'm sure it would be some discreat billing, but would anyone want to give those kind of people thier credit card number? i think that would do it, get it off the net without banning it. all of those kinda sites should be like that. and i think the reason so many people go is because its so easy, if it costed money then i think that rotten would be screwed. they would be gone. and with it happening that way, the people that loved the site wouldnt go nuts and do god knows what like they would if it was banned. and i honestly thing that that would do it, i think most visitors to that site are 12 year olds that think thier being cool or something by looking at that site. they obviously dont have credit cards so it would all go down the tubes.

and the banning thing i said, i meant pictures, movies, books and music. that kinda thing.

and not that those things are right, but if someones going to be influenced, thier nuts to begin with and would have done it anyway. people always try to blame the media, but there are people out there that are just nuts. like the murderers you mentioned, they were just plain nuts. its like no one can be insane anymore, that exists still. but its always got to be the movies, or the video games or something else. some people are just insane.

and yeah, you are 100% right about horror and those things being different. there's no comparison, as you said horror is fake and its fake blood and prostetics. when its real, thats when its a problem. even though i used to look at that stuff, i very much think its wrong now. and part of me does want it banned, but thats no better than these people trying to ban horror, porn or music. even though its sicker, its no better.



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[ICP RULZ]

I think we finaly agree.So how does this sound as a soloution.They make people pay a membership fee.I agree with you that they would go bankrupt.But one thing that gets me is why would anyone want to look at that nasty ass shit or even want to run that website.I dont know about you,but I wouldent be able to trust the people that look at that shit cuz how do I know that they dont want to see it for REAl.Not just in pictures.You are right,they do have a right for it to be there,but I dont think it should be open to just anybody.Only the people that like that shit and are willing to pay for it.I now know where you are coming from.I know I owuld'ent want horror movies to get banned.

Even though most people think that horror fans are the ones that will be axe wielding maniacs.I think that the people on rotten.com give all horror fans a bad name.

And I have been doing the stuff I dont normaly do.Like judging people before I know them.I have been saying all people who look at the shit are crazy or sick.Well you used to look at that shit and you havent killed anyone*wink*.I am sorry for calling allpeople who look at it crazy and sick.Please accept my appology.Well I do not think it is normaly to look at that stuff,I will not judge the people who do look at it.And i know this is off topic but I was wondering how many people on this message board are goths?I am not a goth.But just a question.

Peace

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[Toxferatu]

for me, looking at that stuff was making me feel better. and that is fuckin sick. i see that now. but i started feeling better just getting out of the house and i cant stand that stuff anymore. for a while, i do think i was slightly insane. dont worry about apologizing, if you talked to me then i would be mad but now i feel the same way as you. that was a really bad time in my life. i'm very glad i was able to snap myself out of it.

so basically, it was an escape from reality. but now i dont want that kind of an escape, if i need an escape i play guitar, read or watch a movie(horror, action or comedy). i still enjoy the ocasional really sick movie, but only if its 100% fake.

i'm not a goth, i'm more of a nerd/metal head/horror freak/hippy. lol, i have some of all those in me.

now, if we could only get all those sites to agree with us we would be set. but i dont see that happening.

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[ICP RULZ]

Oh my god,I was watching T.V. and I saw a movie called Mysterious.Oh my god,that movie was fucking sick,it had chicks sucking dick and then getting killed while sucking.It is some gross shit.If you see it on T.V. I suggest you dont see it.Me,I am a jock who loves horror movies.Kind of a wierd mix,but hey,thats me and horror movies are for everyone.

Peace

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[Jason Voorhees]

I assume you were watching HBO or a pay channel like that?

[ICP RULZ]

Ya,I dont think that they could'ev showen this on regular T.V.

Peace

[ICP RULZ]

And I hope you dont watch this as that was not my intentions.My intentions where just to warn you.

Peace

[Jason Voorhees]

lol I follow you my friend, I don't have TV so...

[ICP RULZ]

Oh,ya,I forgot to mention in my last post.That name is the best in this whole message board.

Peace

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by ICP RULZ:
Oh,ya,I forgot to mention in my last post.That name is the best in this whole message board.

Peace

My screen name you mean? Thank you if so, If not thanks anyway for the heads up about that ''Mysterious'' film you warned us not to see http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif.


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[Gypsy Poet69]

I am going to post a reply about rotten.com I will tell you what really scares me. I am a mother of a five year old, who I don't allow to watch scary movies yet because he is not old enought to understand. What scares me about this website is ANYONE can go to it. Children of any age can click there mouse and be in that website of filth. I am not a "puritan" by any means but we as parents and role models should protect our children from that kind of crap. I didn't even look at all of it. I saw a few of the things posted and had to leave. I have had my say and now I will leave it alone.

[Topher]

I don't visit the site, hell I don't even know what it's about.

You guys seem to be looking for the harder way, or the way to make the rotten.com people rich hehe (SARCASM). http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif~ If it's the kids you're worried about, there are plenty of programs that block out inappropriate content, so they would not be able to view websites like that.

I'm sure they have a few at www.download.com (http://www.download.com) .

Parents just need to make time, so they monitor what their children are doing. For the parents that don't know much about computers, downloading one program and setting it up is worth the time and effort to protect your children. Hell, I bet just about everyone has a relative or a neighbor that's good enough to computers to at least do that. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Now just try to get Microsoft to include a shareware version of a program like that with every copy of Windows from now on, and everyone will be all set. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[ICP RULZ]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gypsy Poet69:
I am a mother of a five year old, who I don't allow to watch scary movies yet because he is not old enought to understand</font>

Yes,you can get some programs,but they are pretty easy to undo.Like my parents used to put a lock on the net so that I couldent get into porn sites.Well,the lock was very easy to disconect.But there really isent much difference between porn and the shit on rotten.com.They are both controversal
,lots of people find it offencisve.So,why should porn sites have a gaurd or whatever you want to call it on their sites and not on rotten.com.I also think that rotten.com wouldent get much money cuz the main people that look at it are(I'm speculating here) kids in grade 5-10.

Peace

[Dark_One79]

Hmmm, how about this idea. Why don't parents start doing their damn jobs?

There isn't a law that states every 8-17 year old kid needs to have a computer with internet access in their room (or another private locale). Perhaps parents should start doing their jobs and monitoring what their kids do with themselves.

I'm not saying it is easy, but a good parent tries. You can't just blame the bad influences that are out there. That is a cop-out, and far too easy.

When I was growing up I knew there were just certain things that you didn't do inside the house. If I would have ever been caught with a "porno" mag, or a film I wasn't supposed to see when I was a kid, that would've been my ass.

Because my parents actually cared and took the time to raise me.

Let's face it, most don't do that today. They are more concerned about working a few extra hours so they can buy that boat, or that new Lexus.

Many parents need to realize their greatest accomplishment isn't going to be how rich they retire, but what kind of a child they managed to add to society.

This is just all my opinion, and I know it did veer off of the stated topic admittedly, but I think it is valid.

We simply cannot blame the bad influences. They have always existed, and always will.

[ICP RULZ]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dark_One79:
Hmmm, how about this idea. Why don't parents start doing their damn jobs?

There isn't a law that states every 8-17 year old kid needs to have a computer with internet access in their room (or another private locale). Perhaps parents should start doing their jobs and monitoring what their kids do with themselves.

I'm not saying it is easy, but a good parent tries. You can't just blame the bad influences that are out there. That is a cop-out, and far too easy.

When I was growing up I knew there were just certain things that you didn't do inside the house. If I would have ever been caught with a "porno" mag, or a film I wasn't supposed to see when I was a kid, that would've been my ass.

Because my parents actually cared and took the time to raise me.

Let's face it, most don't do that today. They are more concerned about working a few extra hours so they can buy that boat, or that new Lexus.

Many parents need to realize their greatest accomplishment isn't going to be how rich they retire, but what kind of a child they managed to add to society.

This is just all my opinion, and I know it did veer off of the stated topic admittedly, but I think it is valid.

We simply cannot blame the bad influences. They have always existed, and always will. </font>
Ya,I agree one hundred percent.And yes parents can stop there child 75% of the time.But what about when the parents go out?Or if the child goes on with out the parent knowing.I mean,the parents can do stuff to help,but they cant be watching 24/7.

Peace

[Dark_One79]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ICP RULZ:
Ya,I agree one hundred percent.And yes parents can stop there child 75% of the time.But what about when the parents go out?Or if the child goes on with out the parent knowing.I mean,the parents can do stuff to help,but they cant be watching 24/7.
</font>

True, but they do control what they bring into their own home. They also control where their kids go, and how much information they have about those places. Parents can do a helluva lot more than they do.

I'm certainly not talking about all parents here, there are plenty that do all they can. But there are a lot more who couldn't care less.

[ICP RULZ]

Oh ya,when there are websites such as rotten.com out,they give all horror fans a bad name.People might go into it by accident and think that the only people that look at that stuff is people who watch horror movies cuz "why have the fake stuff when you can have the real".It makes me sick personaly.I mean,we horror fans already have a bad name,everyone thinking we are going to grow up to be psycho's and killers,well we dont need all this extra bullshit such as rotten.com

Peace

[Dark_One79]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ICP RULZ:
Oh ya,when there are websites such as rotten.com out,they give all horror fans a bad name.People might go into it by accident and think that the only people that look at that stuff is people who watch horror movies cuz "why have the fake stuff when you can have the real".</font>

C'mon now. It is easy to say something like that because it justifies you slamming the site. But what evidence do we actually have that people who "stumble" into a site like rotten.com say to themselves, "Geez, what sick-os these horror fans are."

There is a vast difference between someone who peruses sites such as rotten.com and people who appreciate horror films. They are miles apart.

And, in fact, if there are a few people who do indeed criticize horror fans because of rotten.com, I say, "who cares." I'm not going to let the opinion of some judgmental prick influence my own personal self worth.

I love horror films. Pretty much everyone I am friends with knows this. None of them have accused me of being a psycho, or anything else.

Fact is, you just really don't like rotten.com. You know something? Neither do I. It makes me sick to my stomach to see that stuff. It is absolutely horrible.

With that said I have to admit I have been there a couple times and I did see one or two films like Faces of Death over the course of my life. I didn't watch it to "cheer" the accident on. I didn't watch it because I "got off" on it.

I watched it because it is interesting. It is human nature to be curious about death. If you watch these films with the correct amount of respect for human life, there is nothing wrong with it. Nothing at all.

I'm not saying it couldn't be detrimental to your overall mental health status if you immersed yourself in these wastefull peices of celluloid, but that is all up to the individual.

Watching a film like Faces of Death, or looking at a few pictures at rotten.com doesn't make you a bad person. It doesn't make you a sick person. It makes you a person, just like everyone else.

All that stuff makes me sick, but it doesn't mean I am sick. Do you understand?

Peace back at'cha.

[izombie]

Nicely stated Dark_One79. I applaud!

[ICP RULZ]

Ya,I see where you are coming from and I agree 110%,but I also feel that they could do more to stop people from going into the website.I wouldent want it banned,because if they start banning stuff,they might not stop.They might go after horror movies next.But there is a huge difference between horror movies and those websites and films.One is FAKE the other is REAL.

There is more to it than just saying I dont want it or I do want it,There are the peoples familys.How do you think they feel that anybody who wants to can go into one of those websites and see there loved one DEAD.Or what happens if the people see Faces of Death or another one of those shows and it shows their loved one dead and guess what the best part is,you can see their loved one die for only 99 cents.I find it moraly wrong to look at such pictures and get "pleasure" from it.Now dont get me wrong,I am not saying everyone who looks at this stuff is sick,but how many people do you seriously think would want to look at those pictures or movies are normal everyday people?Do you think that they are the most popular or even have a few friends and look at it?I doubt it.I think the reason why they look at those pictures is to get away from their pain.And it is not right.

Did you know John Wayne Gacy started off just stealing other girls panties and eventualy ended up raping and slaughtering them?Well he did,and I bet that if the internet had been as popular back than as it is now,that he would be looking at those pictures.Do you see what im saying?Does any of this make any sense?

Peace

[Dark_One79]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ICP RULZ:
Did you know John Wayne Gacy started off just stealing other girls panties and eventualy ended up raping and slaughtering them?Well he did,and I bet that if the internet had been as popular back than as it is now,that he would be looking at those pictures.Do you see what im saying?Does any of this make any sense?Peace</font>

Actually I graduated in '01 with a degree in psychology, so yes, that does make sense to me.

I, like you, would bet any amount of money that many people who desperately need psychological help, and are threats to society, frequent sites such as rotten.com and seek out films that are excessively violent.

I also would bet that they drink soda, mow their lawns, and get haircuts. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop doing any of those things.

I'm sorry my friend, but there is just no cause/effect relationship between those websites and people committing crimes.

People that go out and rape or murder do it for many reasons. I've yet to hear, "I did it because of a pic I saw on rotten.com. I just thought, 'hey, that looks fun'."

And we never will hear that.

[Toxferatu]

anyone who would do it because of seeing pictures is crazy to begin with, it doesnt create insanity. they were insane long before they look at that site.

and talking about this site just makes more people go to see if its as bad as people say and makes the site more money. best thing to do is ignore it.

and the membership fee is the answer, they will go bancrupt.

[ICP RULZ]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dark_One79:
[People that go out and rape or murder do it for many reasons. I've yet to hear, "I did it because of a pic I saw on rotten.com. I just thought, 'hey, that looks fun'."

And we never will hear that.[/B]</font>
No,they would never say that and I doubt it would cause someone to say that,but the person who does go kill people might not have killing tendencies until he saw the pictures or a psycho might not realise he has a fetish for panties (like John Wyane Gacy did) until he saw the pictures on the net.I am not saying ban it or anything,but they have to do something.They cant just leave it up there.

Peace

[Dark_One79]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ICP RULZ:
I am not saying ban it or anything,but they have to do something.They cant just leave it up there.
</font>

Then what are you saying? You say don't ban it, but then say they have to do something about it. Sorry, I don't understand that. Do you mean tighter regulations? If so, I guess I would agree with that somewhat. By regulations I simply mean a system (what system? I have no idea) that would minimize the site's exposure to children.

But still, I disagree wholeheartedly with your theory that certain deranged individuals will use rotten.com as inspiration.

Your vary rationale is flawed. You stated that Gacy became one of the most feared, and well-known, serial killers of our time. You also stated that he did not have the internet as one of his primary sources of grotesque input. So how did he develop into the killer he ultimately became?

Fact is, these guys are going to find an outlet for their destructive impulses, no matter what we may or may not try to do to stop them.

You yourself said that Gacy began by swiping women's panties out of the laundry. So, are we to believe that if we stop women from doing laundry in public, at laundry mats perhaps, that we can stamp out the further development of people such as Gacy?

According to your theory, about cause/effect relationships, that would've stopped him.

I, however, seriously doubt it.

[ICP RULZ]

No,not Gacy,I agree with you on that one,he was sick from the beging.But what about new psychos?And I think you have missed my whole point.Have you read the other messages I have posted?Well if not,I said,not to ban them,but make better regulations.Make it so that little kids cannot see it.Put a adult check like they do on porn sites.Make it so that you have to be a member to see the pictures.Thats all I was saying from the begging.
P.S.
No offence,but next time I would read the WHOLE topic before starting a debate or whatever you call it.


Peace

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[Toxferatu]

like i said, if someone was going to kill they would have done it anyway without rotten. and as i have said, if someone's crazy enough to be influenced then they would have done it anyway. rotten isnt to blaim, the people are.

and if they would have a membership fee, they would be shut down from bancruptcy. cause most visitors are people that think thier being cool for looking at it and would never pay for it. and most people only look becuase its free and easy to get too. make a membership fee and that ends all that. the site will crumble.

[Jason Voorhees]

Hmm Gacy became a serial killer because of the way his father treated him? Am I wrong?

If that is the case then the entire issue goes back to Parenting. It is the job of the parents to raise their child accordingly. I think Rotten.com is a horrible site, but I don't believe it should be banned (As I posted earlier). Enviroment and heredity have more to do with what shapes a person than a website.

The websites (like the panties in Gacy's case) Offer temporary pleasure. The truth is the person in question who visits Rotten just to see people suffering or dying, was probably fucked long before he went to Rotten.com., And just as Freud would tell us, it was probably the fault of bad parenting, or growing up in a hostile enviroment.

[ICP RULZ]

Actualy,I just took Gacy's name and put that panties shit on there.It isent true.But a different serial killer did take panties when he was younger but I couldent remember his name so I used Gacy's.And yes,it is the parents problam to a certain extent.The parent cannot be around their child 24/7,it is impossible.But as I said before in earlier posts,there should be a membership fee.I dont want the website banned cuz what happend if they came after horror movies?
P.S.
Who thinks I should continue signing my posts with Peace in bold?


Peace

[ICP RULZ]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Toxferatu:
like i said, if someone was going to kill they would have done it anyway without rotten. and as i have said, if someone's crazy enough to be influenced then they would have done it anyway. rotten isnt to blaim, the people are.

and if they would have a membership fee, they would be shut down from bancruptcy. cause most visitors are people that think thier being cool for looking at it and would never pay for it. and most people only look becuase its free and easy to get too. make a membership fee and that ends all that. the site will crumble.</font>


Ya,you are right,if the person does look at this stuff and they murder someone,then they where probably sick from the beging,but if the website influences them,then it is a problam.And I know you said that the website dosent influence them,but that is not true,it does.An example:When I was watching Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back,they swear alot in it.Well,I will be damned if every second word I said was fuck after watching that movie.The movie influenced me into saying fuck alot.And I think that rotten.com does influence certain individuals.I dont know if they will kill someone when they get older,but neither do you.I think that the membership fee is the answer.

Peace

[Topher]

We all agree this site is sick, but it is legal.

The only way to MAKE them charge money or have an adult check is to make a law about this, and I believe if you do this a law about horror movies wouldn't be far behind.

ICP, you're saying that this could change a person because it's REAL.. Well, gore in horror movies look REAL, and most children cannot tell the difference between stuff that is real and stuff that is fake.

There is nothing that will, or should, be done by the government... Unless you want the MPAA to be even HARDER on horror movies.

The only way to stop kids from visiting sites is for parents to do it. I'm sure there is a good program out there that will filter out this stuff, and that is password protected. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I'm sorry if I sound so harsh, but that is what I think would happen.. Censorship galore. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[Topher]

One last thing, you said this is "morally" wrong... And man, you're lucky our country isn't run on morales. Hehehe. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Personally, I think it's morally wrong to do ltos of things that normal people do. I hardly swear, I don't look at other women when I'm with other women (even if they're just friends), and I do many other things that a normal person wouldn't go out of their way to do. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Though I do not like what I hear the basis of the site is, I will defend it... I'm all for anti-censorship to a certain extent.. For example, I don't think a movie should be given anything over an R rating unless there is lots of nudity/sex.. And the only reason I feel that way, is because I don't mind a 13 year old hearing lots of swears or seeing lots of gore (as long as a parent goes in or at least buys his ticket), but I do think a bunch of nudity is a bit too much for the younger teens.

I'm off to goto bed. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[ICP RULZ]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Topher:
We all agree this site is sick, but it is legal.

The only way to MAKE them charge money or have an adult check is to make a law about this, and I believe if you do this a law about horror movies wouldn't be far behind.

ICP, you're saying that this could change a person because it's REAL.. Well, gore in horror movies look REAL, and most children cannot tell the difference between stuff that is real and stuff that is fake.

There is nothing that will, or should, be done by the government... Unless you want the MPAA to be even HARDER on horror movies.

The only way to stop kids from visiting sites is for parents to do it. I'm sure there is a good program out there that will filter out this stuff, and that is password protected. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I'm sorry if I sound so harsh, but that is what I think would happen.. Censorship galore. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif</font>

Yes,Exactly what I have been trying to say this whole time.Except the parents cant do it all,they cant moniter the kids 24/7.Those programs such as net nanny do work,but they are easy to disable.Belive me,I have spent many years disabling them when my parents arent home.I feel the only way to put a end to it is put a adult check on it.

Peace

[Dr.Gonzo]

It is not for anyone to decide what is or isnt acceptable for others to view.

I bet all the horror fans in here who are complaining about rotten.com have complained at one time or another that the movie they have viewed has been cut, and found it unacceptable that someone else has had the power to decide what he/she deems unacceptable for YOU to watch.

Just because you personally dont like something doesnt mean it is unappropriate for others to view, likewise it isnt society's job to censor/ban films for fear of setting off nutters on a murder spree. Newsflash- there was murder & violence before TV...Childs Play was not the reason the Romans threw the catholics to the lions, nor did they copy it off Itchy & Scratchy.

Perhaps if more parents stopped blaming TV for their childrens actions and spent the time they use complaining about it to give them the upbringing & love they need & deserve, then censorship would never be an issue.

By the way Ogrish.com is way more severe than rotten.com.

[izombie]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dr.Gonzo:


Perhaps if more parents stopped blaming TV for their childrens actions and spent... .</font>

They would first have to stop using TV as the babysitter.

[ICP RULZ]

Thats exactly what I have been trying to say,but you cannot blame it all on the parents.My parents are good and they keep my 2 other brothers well,but when they got the internet they put a net nanny,well whenever they would go out,I would disable it and look at porn,well they had no control over that,you cannot blame parents 100% of the time.And yes you can deciede wether something is inappropriet for someone else to watch or look at.If it causes harm to others than you can.Thats all im trying to say.

Peace

[Dark_One79]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ICP RULZ:
Thats exactly what I have been trying to say,but you cannot blame it all on the parents.My parents are good and they keep my 2 other brothers well,but when they got the internet they put a net nanny,well whenever they would go out,I would disable it and look at porn,well they had no control over that,you cannot blame parents 100% of the time.And yes you can deciede wether something is inappropriet for someone else to watch or look at.If it causes harm to others than you can.Thats all im trying to say.

Peace</font>

Actually no you cannot.

Do you even understand that you are saying it is acceptable for some people to have control over what input you are able to view?

Do you really want that? I mean, we only get one chance to live life, I don't want some moral cowboy controlling what I look at, listen to, or ingest in any manner. It is my decision. I'm certainly not going to go out and kill someone because I saw a disturbing picture on Rotten.com. When are you going to get that?

The facts is, anything can influence someone to go out and commit a crime. It doesn't mean that the actual TV show, movie, song, or incident on the street is responsible for the act.

I mean, my God, I could be a completely deranged individial who watches NATURAL BORN KILLERS, then goes out and slaughters 13 people in a diner. Does that mean the movie is responsible?

Absolutely not.

Trying to convince us that is played a part is completely ridiculous. Works of art, do not persuade well-balanced people to become killers. It doesn't happen. Sorry, but it is fact.

Movies, television, music, and other forms of artistic expression are not responsible for crime. Emotion, psychlogical disorders, and the desire for survival are. Perhaps I am simplifying, but I repeat that movies are not.

If a person commits a crime because of a film, then they already had pre-existing problems. You cannot blame the film, or in this case, the website.

BTW, if your parents couldn't control what you looked at in the internet, remember that they always had the choice to remove it completely from their household. Sorry to disagree with you, but there is always a way. Or at least a way to severly limit your children's exposure to the filth of the world.

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[Dark_One79]

Double post... sorry.

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[ICP RULZ]

Ok,I think you have misunderstood what I have been trying to say,I am trying to say that you shouldent ban the website cuz no one would want that,but you should put better regulations on it.Make it harder to get into like porn.And no,my parents need the internet for work,so they couldent get rid of it,I do agree with you that there are always choices,but when a website causes harm,then something has to be done..

Peace

[Dark_One79]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ICP RULZ:
Ok,I think you have misunderstood what I have been trying to say,[b].
</font>

Sorry, but I haven't misunderstood a word you've said. You are asking for the impossible. You say that the responsibility of stopping children from seeing it falls on those that host the site, and that it is their job to put a "system" in place, be it adult check or a payment system.

That isn't going to work. The internet is known for being a gigantic mass of information. Ever changing, and unregulated, you will never be able to control what is posted. Never.

So thinking that the problem could be helped, is well, wrong.

Besides, the thing you were saying that I actually really disagreed with was the whole rotten.com influencing someone to commit crime.

That just isn't true.

You and I both agree that sites like this should not be available to children, we just have different ideas about whos job it is to see to that.

[ICP RULZ]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dark_One79:
Sorry, but I haven't misunderstood a word you've said. You are asking for the impossible. You say that the responsibility of stopping children from seeing it falls on those that host the site, and that it is their job to put a "system" in place, be it adult check or a payment system.

That isn't going to work. The internet is known for being a gigantic mass of information. Ever changing, and unregulated, you will never be able to control what is posted. Never.

So thinking that the problem could be helped, is well, wrong.

Besides, the thing you were saying that I actually really disagreed with was the whole rotten.com influencing someone to commit crime.

That just isn't true.

You and I both agree that sites like this should not be available to children, we just have different ideas about whos job it is to see to that.</font>

I agree one hundred percent.Glad we got that cleard up.

Peace