(( Official )) Attack of the Clones Countdown Thread

[JoBlo]

The movie is almost a month away from coming out on the big screens, so in anticipation of the many threads that we expect to hit this forum, we are opening up the OFFICIAL STAR WARS: EPISODE 2- ATTACK OF THE CLONES countdown thread, so that anyone looking to discuss the film, can continue their conversations in here. The film opens on May 16, 2002. Important sites:

The Official Star Wars Website (http://www.starwars.com/)
The Official Star Wars: Episode 2- Attack of the Clones section (http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/)
Force.net (http://www.theforce.net/) - Top-notch fansite

May the force be with you! (I can't believe that I just said that... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Americana]

Whoa whoa whoa bub, what about the hottest 1# Fan Site out there http://www.swmovies.net./episode-ii/scenebyscene/ . Nobody comes close to these guys.


Anyways, I'd like to start off by saying that this movie will indeed be the highest (Thanks to all you SW fans of course) ranking/moneymaking/big-bads of the summer. As for the STORYLINE. I'm sad to say that it will NOT make it big, and after the first few weeks the fans will wonder why the hell didn't they use their money to go see Spider-man.... Well, the smart fans anyways. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[Ghostface 2000]

I think this film will be a hit, just hope it is better the episode 1.

[arto_j]

It's a bit ovbious that it'll be a hit, and will make at least $200+ million. The question that everyone's wondering is that is the film any good? I hope it is, and I hope it's better than Phantom Menace, I mean, how much worse could Star Wars be? And at least Jake Lloyd isn't involved. I saw Hayden Christensen in some tv-show a while ago, and he seemed like he's good for the job. I've been waiting for years for these films and I sure as hell won't let GL make all of these as bad as TPM. I'll complain to him personally if this one sucks, but I'll still be first in line for the 3rd one.

[Common Sense Man]

Hey all,

Well I posted this in another thread but since this is the official one I will repost it agian because it is time sensitive.

All those who cannot get enough of SW tune into Access Hollywood today 4/7/02.

Towards the end of the show they are running a story about AOTC it mainly focuses on the costumes of Amidala. You get to see some scenes from the movie as well as many of her costumes.

I guess George also personally designed one himself. And yes you guessed it, it was the leather corset! I knew George was a perv!

Check it.

http://www.sssww.com/gifs/colorsab.gif Out........................

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[Scorchlord]

Unless the buzz for this movie is exceptional, I won't be going to see it. I was far too let down by the Phantom Menace and the crap trailers for this one to waste 8 bucks to see it in a theater.

[James Logan]

I'm a big STAR WARS fan, and I did actually love TPM (saw it twice in the theaters when it came out, own the DVD), and I think the trailers weren't half bad (the three first ones were very good, in fact). So yes, I'll be seeing it when it comes out here in France (one day after the States, I hear http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif )...and I'll probably go and see it more than once, cuz I think it's gonna be worth it.

Oh yeah, and I don't know about you Schmoes, but I think Obi-Wan is gonna be the coolest character of this AOTC. He's the one I liked best in the trailers (well, Padme put aside... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/tongue.gif ).

[Nate6]

The trailers make the film look excellent, as Harry Knowles puts it, fun. Not mind-blowing, just fun. Cross your fingers, folks.

[dh1989]

I am very excited for this movie to open in theatres! I thought all the trailers were great. My favorite was the most recent(the one that premiered on television and was attached to all prints of ICE AGE). It was just breathtaking. There were so many amazing shots. It overwhelmed me with this feeling of the STAR WARS magic. And I am also not worried about it being mediocre to bad because I thought TPM was a cool movie(Jar jar and Jake Lloyd were great). Plus after reading the script and reading Harry Knowles' review, I am sure that this movie will be a top notch venture in the action/sci-fi world.

[Invincible]

I'm VERY Excited about this movies as well as anybody in here! I can imagine already that I have chills coming down from my head to toes as I enter the THEATER!

CAn YOU? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I hate to be the anti-SW guy here (because I do like the OT) but based on what I have seen (which isnt alot, granted) and read (the entire script) and heard - the movie will be better than TPM, but I still dont think it will be that good. I can see it now though; as these huge fanboys proclaiming it to be the best SW film ever (much like they did before the anti-TPM wave hit) just because it is better than the previous film. Sure, we can all hope that it will be a better film than TPM, but does that automatically mean that it will be a good film? Does Better than TPM = good film? I think not. So, im not hoping for it to be better than TPM, im just hoping we get a good film. Oh, and -Yipeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

[Jay_visigoth]

*************Possible Spoilers********
The movie is surely gonna rock. Judging by some bits i read in:

http://www.swmovies.net./episode-ii/scenebyscene/

and i was amazed. The script is very good. The romance between Anakin and Padmee is surely nicely written although some bits are soapy, that's not entirely bad. The fighting sequences surely rock(judging from the trailers)! And the political references are many and they are sharp! The ending is entirely made for US starwars junkies, who need more star-dope-wars.
Part III: Shall be the darkest and best in the whole STAR WARS LEGEND....ROCK ON Goerge.

MY STAR WARS RATINGS!!
-the ratings are based on excitment-
part 1 7/10
part 4 9/10
part 5 10/10
part 6 10/10

PS-I hope he leaves the direction to a someone with A REAL TALENT!

[Scorchlord]

George Lucas is directing it.

[ak]

Ok....Here's an article from AICN that *apparently* shows an early make-up test for Obi Wan in Episode III.

Now, I'm not one to rubbish things too quickly. I mean, it kind of looks like Ewan McGregor under that prosthetic mask thing, but why a make-up test so early? It's all a bit dodgy, but make-up (pun intended) your own minds...

Click here for the really dodgy polariod (http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=11931)


P.S - Can someone please tell me why Harry gets a "wow" orgasm when even the smallest piece of crappy information leaks in?



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[Strider]

Well, I really liked The Phantom Menace. Hell, I saw it four times in the theaters. Anyway, I just hope Attack of the Clones is better though. I'm hoping for it to be The Empire Strikes Back of this trilogy.

Strider

[Americana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scorchlord:
Unless the buzz for this movie is exceptional, I won't be going to see it. I was far too let down by the Phantom Menace and the crap trailers for this one to waste 8 bucks to see it in a theater.</font>


What is with you people here. why are you paying eight bucks for a movie ticket??? The most the tickets down here cost is $4.25, and $5.75 after 2pm. Damn, you poor souls pay way too much for movie tickets you know that. It's no wonder you bitch so much about a movie if you didn't like it, it's because it cost too damn much. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Congerking]

does anyone think that lucas will kill off jar jar binks. good god i hope so.

*crossing fingers until the release*

[bmain77]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by arto_j:
I'll complain to him personally if this one sucks, but I'll still be first in line for the 3rd one.</font>

Exactly. THis movie good suck worse than Jar Jar and I'll be just as hyped up for Episode III as I was for I. I still kind of shocked that the no tv spots have aired since that one on fox awhile back. I also am eagerly waiting for the toys to hit the stores. As with the Phantom Menace I can't wait to get my hands on the Mace Windu figure. For the Phantom Menace the hype was too powerful for me, so I actually went out and got all the action figures that were intitially released. WOn't go that far this time. I just want two Mace Windus. One to keep in the packaging and one to play with.

[arto_j]

I've been wondering for a while now: Why would you want to read the script in advance? At least I think that it takes away some of the pleasure and fun from actually seeing the film. I don't understand why would anyone want the film spoiled for you in advance, I know I won't. It certainly takes away some of the impact.

[bmain77]

I've never understood why people like to read the scripts before seeing the movie. It would completely ruin any major suprises in the movie. Would you have wanted to know Darth Vader is Lukes dad before you had seen Empire for the first time?

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I dont really think it takes away from the expieriance at all. It is one thing to read an action scene, but to see it is a totally different expieriance. Take LotR for example (*insert winky face here*) All the fans who had read the book, time after time, were still amazed at the movie, and still cried, and ect. Its just a matter of personal tastes, I guess. I read the scripts, and although there is stuff left out, I didnt really like it that much. Ill probably see the film, but only after it is at the cheapy theaters.

[BakeTheMooCow]

I agree with arto_j and bmain77. I think reading the script of a movie ruins it. Its different when the movie is based on a book like LOTR. I read it and I think I was anticipating how it would turn out on the big screen. There were no surprises because I knew what would happen. Reading the script is worse because the settings are described and there is more detail of every scene. I don't even read the reviews of a movie before going for it. I think the best experience is an unbiased, spoiler-less one. And that's what I get when I go to the movies.

[bmain77]

You can't even compare books to scripts. It's not like someone is going to not read a book just in case it is adapted into film. Having read a book before seeing a film verison of it only adds to the experience with your comparing your vision of the novel to that of the filmmaker. And I'll admit reading an action scene wouldn't take much from seeing it on film. My argument against it is that in the course of any film there are plot twists and turns that will suprise you. I'd much rather be suprised at the theater and not when reading it off the net. I mean if it turns out Jar Jar is really a sith lord, I'd rather see that on film istead of reading it ahead of time.

Thats not to say that I'm not tempted to go ahead and read the script. I've thought about just skimming it over real quick, but I want to see it first.

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[Stripes]

I read the script sounds decent but I will not get my hopesup after TPM. { Crossing Fingers } It had better be good

[sleekproductions]

I must tell you that I am exstactic to see this film. I think it will be just as good as all the rest. (I love The Phantom Menace, so sue me aight!)

[ak]

When the Attack Of The Clones soundtrack was available for download a few weeks back, I was able to get three tracks (very high quality). Then Lucasfilm moved in with copyright.
Since then I've been trying to find re-named tracks....Today I found one.
The track's called Love Pledge And The Arena. It's 56% downloaded at the moment. I'll get back to you when I've listened to it.

The other tracks are superb, by the way. Especially the love theme Across The Stars and Yoda's Confrontation With Count Dooku.

UPDATE: It's downloaded, and it's quite a good theme. Nothing special. It's one of those tracks that sounds much better within the film I think. The others I've got, on the other hand, are amazing to listen to without the film.

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[Moviebuff_Mike]

As with many of you, Im a HUGE Star Wars fan. And from all the *SPOILERS* I've read, this one sure looks much better than TPM. And rest assured will win back many hearts of fans who thought TPM sucked, I honestly did not think TPM sucked. I thought it was entertaining and that's what it did for me. Although there were some things that could have been changed to make it better, It's all in the past. So here's to the next installment in the Star Wars saga! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[big J]

I'm counting on Count Dooku to deliver the
goods on the bad guy front.

[fan boy]

It's hard to believe that ATOC is only 1 month and six days away. I know I've been looking forward to this ever since I left the theaters after the midnight showing of TPM. And yes I of course liked it haha. But anywho that was Three years ago and the present is the new movie. I think this one will be great. If everything I've heard stirring around the rumor mill turns out to be true, I think we'll be in for one hell of a two hour flick. That battle sequence in the trailers looks amazing. I know for shessey I'll develop a "sickness" on May 15th and will tragicly have to take to day off of school. Hopefully my waiting in line down at the theater with a couple of my droogs will cure my alements. But in short I just want to see everyone enjoy the film as much as I know I'm going to.

[bmain77]

With TPM the tickets went on sale a week or two before the movie was released. Does anyone know for sure if they are going to do that again? Standing in line was sort of fun and all, but it also kind of sucked because they were some big time fan boys in line on either side of us dressed as characters and had the Darth Maul light sabre making mad fools out of themselves that day. It especially sucked when the news crews showed up and we had to turn our backs to camera so as not to be caught on film with those geeks.

[Stripes]

can't wait for the clones. (crossing fingers hoping it's good)

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[SeperateSelf]

I don't know about all that jive but I know I liked one of the jokes:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">11. You put on a luminous coloured condom and walk around humming, pretending you're a light-saber.</font>

I almost pissed myself laughing at this one. I can imagine doing this in front of my fiance. She would beat my ass off, but I would get a hell of a laugh from it http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I dont know if I would like it my girlfriend beat my ASS off. Or maybe you meant "up"?

[the_sneaker]

I'm telling you now that I'm going to ditch school to see this movie. i can't wait. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[ColinM]

I'm finding it extremely difficult to avoid spoilers, but I'm trying. I don't mind a few (I know about the Tusken Raider thing and I love it!), but I'm trying not to read the entire script.

I think I'm going to explode. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/eek.gif

I can't wait for AOTC. Of course, I even liked TPM...

[ak]

This is Yoda in serious "Don't mess with me" mode.......Great image....

http://starwars.gamigo.de/episode2/bilder/oswm/oswm8.jpg

[SeperateSelf]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
I dont know if I would like it my girlfriend beat my ASS off. Or maybe you meant "up"?</font>

LOL. Yeah Fokker I meant up http://www.joblo.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

And to stay on topic, I think Yoda in that pic looks great. You can't tell he's CGI at all from the pic. The only reasone you know he is CGI is because we have previous knowledge.

Bring on the Clooooooooones!!!!!!

[Scorchlord]

I do not care for that Yoda picture at all. He looks like a friggin' plush toy.

[Americana]

Someone please tell me that my man Yoda isn't going to look like that in the film. I thought Lucas said that Episode II was being filmed with a new State of the Art camera? What the fuck is going on here? So far everything in the trailers and the makings, looks like an 80's film or something. I don't see where the State of the Art part comes in, unless their gonna show us one hell of a Anne/Amadala sex scene with a state of the art cum shot in slowmotion with auto rewind. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Fuck, and I had high hopes for this one. O well, looks like it's back to the woodshed for me. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scorchlord:
I do not care for that Yoda picture at all. He looks like a friggin' plush toy.</font>

I'm sorry but is all you can do insult Star Wars? In every Star Wars threads I've never heard you say one thing positive about it and it gets very annoying. If you don't wanna see a movie don't post in the movie's thread...!

[Americana]

Well, before you down me too, let me just say that I do NOT hate Star Wars at all. In fact, I downright love the fucking films, and I think Lucas is a god. But... I DO think that the cgi in this film is really bad. And what gets me really mad is that Lucas said him self that they were using a state of the art camera that'll be more hightech and realilistic. When all I have seen in the trailers and makings are not even half as amazing as the 1970's films. Yeah thats right, the old ones were more cooler then these.

So if you wanna talk star wars then take a GOOD look at that Yoda picture just one more time before you post again and you tell me if he looks cooler before or now. Good Day.

[Horror whore]

I still can't tell the difference between the CGI Yoda and the other one. So I don't really care. Good day.

[bmain77]

I last time I will state that you have to be on crack to say the Puppet Yoda looks better than CGI Yoda. If you have a problem with CGI fine, but simply pull up old pics of yoda with a hand up his ass and the new one and honestly tell me how the old looks better.

[ak]

Ok....Let's get my opinion straight, and clear a few things up: Firstly, I think Yoda from the various shots we've seen of him in the trailer and in stills, looks poorly CGI.
I watched the recent trailer quite a few weeks back in college cause they have digital net connection there, and many people gathered around the computer to watch it - They're reaction to Yoda and everything else? "Too CGI", "Yoda looks really, really bad". That speaks for itself, fair enough.

But, with a level head, we should wait until the film to see Yoda within the context of it all, which i'm sure will be just fine.

I've seen two "stills" of Yoda, including that one (both from the same scene where he's about to fight Christopher Lee's Count Dooku) and those are the only two that I've been confident about Yoda - He looks superb in them.
Two out of ten is not good though.


Also - This new technology they've developed - I highly doubt you're going to notice it on film. It's solely for digital projection, and that's where it will get the best results.
What's great about it is the new window it opens for editing, the storing of the film itself, which is the size of video cassette holders, and the means to zoom in and out of certain shots without loosing ANY quality is brilliant. It also has many, many more advantages.

It's opening many new windows for film, and is the way forward, like it or not....

As for Attack Of The Clones. It looks like a good film from the previews thus far.




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[george]

I saw a trailer of the movie that made it more like a romance movie between Natalie Portman and Anakin!! WTF!

I never cared for the Star Wars but i know one thing ill be looking forward to AOTC:

More Samuel L. Jackson!!

george

[BitchTits]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
Ok....Let's get my opinion straight, and clear a few things up: Firstly, I think Yoda from the various shots we've seen of him in the trailer and in stills, looks poorly CGI.
I watched the recent trailer quite a few weeks back in college cause they have digital net connection there, and many people gathered around the computer to watch it - They're reaction to Yoda and everything else? "Too CGI", "Yoda looks really, really bad". That speaks for itself, fair enough.

But, with a level head, we should wait until the film to see Yoda within the context of it all, which i'm sure will be just fine.

I've seen two "stills" of Yoda, including that one (both from the same scene where he's about to fight Christopher Lee's Count Dooku) and those are the only two that I've been confident about Yoda - He looks superb in them.
Two out of ten is not good though.


Also - This new technology they've developed - I highly doubt you're going to notice it on film. It's solely for digital projection, and that's where it will get the best results.
What's great about it is the new window it opens for editing, the storing of the film itself, which is the size of video cassette holders, and the means to zoom in and out of certain shots without loosing ANY quality is brilliant. It also has many, many more advantages.

It's opening many new windows for film, and is the way forward, like it or not....

As for Attack Of The Clones. It looks like a good film from the previews thus far.


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Yoda's CGI is perfect in every way. Of COURSE he doesn't look real. He's friggin CGI man! Get a grip!

ARRRRRR!! I'm sick of people whining and moaning about CGI. Go back to watching your fifty-year old Godzilla films with the retards dressed in Godzilla suits, and the flying saucers made out of paper plates being held up by a string, which you people claim to be the HIGH POINT OF ALL SPECIAL EFFECTS IN CINEMA.

Now, I don't know about you, but I'm going to watch Episode 2 with an open mind and not bitch about every tiny little thing that happens.

Oh, and from what I've seen of the trailer, can someone tell me how they could have done those scenes WITHOUT CGI.

[dh1989]

I prefer the Yoda CGI version much more than the original puppet. It reminds me of the recent E.T. 20th anniversary. E.T. looked much, much more cool when done with computer generated images, than a plastic bust on a track. And I agree with BitchTits, how could you those scenes BELIEVABLY without using CGI. I would love to see you guys do the shot of Obi-Wan hanging on to a flying beast over a huge violent waterfall without computers. Or maybe forget making CGI lightsabers. We can make a plastic tunnel and put a blue or green light bulb in it. You people who are against CGI are crazy. The days of stop-motion cretures are dead. I vote: BRING ON THE CGI IMAGES!

[Common Sense Man]

I don't have a problem with the CGI Yoda except maybe his lips actually move now!

That is a good thing but it does make him appear different.

Also I never really thought about it but look at this comparison between the original Yoda and the new Yoda, I was suprised by the amount of changes.

http://clonewars.netsville.com/images/yodaani.gif

Maybe that is Yoda's cousin.


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[Moviebuff_Mike]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by george:
I saw a trailer of the movie that made it more like a romance movie between Natalie Portman and Anakin!! WTF!

I never cared for the Star Wars but i know one thing ill be looking forward to AOTC:

More Samuel L. Jackson!!

george</font>

The trailer you saw was the "Forbidden Love" trailer. It focuses on the forbidden love of Anakin for Padme' which should not be happening since Anakin is a Jedi. And Im sure you will like AOTC since there is more of Sam Jackson.

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BitchTits:
Yoda's CGI is perfect in every way. Of COURSE he doesn't look real. He's friggin CGI man! Get a grip!

ARRRRRR!! I'm sick of people whining and moaning about CGI. Go back to watching your fifty-year old Godzilla films with the retards dressed in Godzilla suits, and the flying saucers made out of paper plates being held up by a string, which you people claim to be the HIGH POINT OF ALL SPECIAL EFFECTS IN CINEMA.

Now, I don't know about you, but I'm going to watch Episode 2 with an open mind and not bitch about every tiny little thing that happens.

Oh, and from what I've seen of the trailer, can someone tell me how they could have done those scenes WITHOUT CGI.</font>


Listen - Let's make a comparison here: Gollum in The Fellowship Of The Ring has about an equal amount of scenes as I've seen of pics and moving images of Yoda from Attack Of The Clones. Gollum didn't even look 1% CGI - He was perfect. The movements, the rendering. CGI Yoda looks the lesser piece of work without doubt, between the two.

Also - You're sick of people moaning about CGI?
Why exactly? People have the right to moan about whatever they want. I know decent CGI work when I see it, and it is not present in a great deal of the shots I've seen of AOTC.

A.I and Pearl Harbour have superior CGI sequences, and it was used well. It was practical.
This seems to be a word Lucas has forgotten. He put CGI everywhere in TPM, and it looked ugly as hell. Instead of making full practical sets, he finishes them off with obvious CGI work.

It is my right to have an opinion about the film from what I've seen in the trailers, and I'll say this in final:

I have never said anything negative about the film as a whole (infact, I've been very positive for it), I'm just making assessments from the trailers.

I'm reserving all final judgement until I see the film, but I've judged the trailers. No harm done. The CGI looks highly brilliant in some shots, but overall it's very laclustre.

I made this point in previous posts.

Added Note: When you tell me to get a grip and you say that Yoda obviously doesn't look real cause he's CGI. Well, you more or less damaged your argument in that sentence. CGI can look real. I've seen CGI that looks scarily real - Gollum, A.I the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park (first one) etc.

"Bitch about every tiny thing that happens".
Well, I'm not a member of the AICN message board, and have never moaned about anything AOTC related, I clearly make my opinion in an intelligent manner.
I'm not one of these who moaned about that shit boy band being in it, I didn't moan about the casting, I didn't moan about the music, I didn't moan about the dialogue in the trailers....and the list goes on.
I suggest you back up your opinion with a little revision first before you make un-intelligent comments like that.

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[Scorchlord]

Memo to Horror: I don't hate Star Wars. I'm just completely disenchanted with what Lucas did in The Phantom Menace that I have zero faith in Episode II. And there is NOTHING I've seen of Episode II that tells me it's going to be any good.

So there.

[bmain77]

Wow...I can't believe the tone of this topic. I would think we'd all be excited and stuff, but its becoming a giant bitch fest. The CGI vs. Puppet Yoda debate is cool and all, but just give up on the bitching about it. It's not going to change a thing. Anyways I thought the purpose of these offical countdown threads was to pass on cool info and stuff and not to rip on each other or the film. If you looks like crap to you, fine you are entitled to your opinion to start your own topic on why it's going to suck and have the fight move there.

So in that spirit I was wondering if anyone knew when the action figures and stuff were being released. I haven't heard anything, but I did see some trading cards at Walmart the other day and ran to the toy section just in case I could get my hands on Mace Windu. Also wondering when the tickets were going on sale and if people are getting in line already. I just watched a repeat of The Man Show where Adam and Jimmy dreseed up like Yoda and Darth Maul and cut in line in front of people who'd been in line for two months for TPM. It was hilarious. COps were called and obscenties were yelled.

[Americana]

I think I should at least try to set the record strait in here by saying, There ain't no bitch fest up in here bro. It's all good. We just have very little faith in it because of Episode I that's all. But I'm sure that will all change after we see Attack of the Clones next month, I promise. Then everybody will wish they never said anything bad about this film in the first place... Of course you know I could be lying. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif


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[george]

Thanks Moviebuff for clearling that up. I thought there was something wrong in that picture.

george

[[SD] Bob Plisskin]

call me stupid if you must but a mate told me today that the release date in the UK was moved forward to this Friday.

I haven't fallen for a belated April Fools have I?

&lt;OB&gt;

[Sowen]

I have to agree with ak, George Lucas puts in way to much CGI. In TPM, the battle between the Gungans and the droids looked like a cartoon. I'm not saying I didn't like the movie. I'm one of those freaks who went and saw it 11 times at the theater. SW is pure intertainment no matter how crappy or not the CGI is. There is nothing better than sitting in a dark theater when the intro music comes blasting on and SW begins (okay sitting in a dark theater and hearing Galadriel's voice begin the LOTR intro comes extremely close)

[flamepillar]

"Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things that they make easier don't need to be done." ~Andy Rooney

That's not necessarily my standpoint, but I find it interesting nonetheless.

I also believe that the making of music and movies is not all that dissimilar from the making of human beings. If you make them with computers (cloning), they will come out with no soul. If you make music/movies with computers, they come out with no (or at least less) soul. Depends on what "soul" really means to you I guess though. But don't even get me started on all the music phonies out there singing their Karaoke and making millions, and on top of it not having to split it with a band because they have it all preprogrammed already.

If they want to use CGI to create scenes that could not be created otherwise (for reasons of safety, money, time and such) then I'm all for it. But if they start using it as an excuse to be lazy, to not to have to use their hands, but to start using their fingers instead, that's where they lose the soul of it.

I wasn't all that thrilled with what they did to E.T. I'd seen the movie literally hundreds of times as a kid, and I had every facial expression of his embedded in my mind. When they changed it, it just wasn't the same. It would be fine for someone who hasn't seen the original film in all its glory. But the film obviously didn't need the gilded effect to bring in its first cash cow, I don't know why it needs it now.

[noisy_brut]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bmain77:
So in that spirit I was wondering if anyone knew when the action figures and stuff were being released. I haven't heard anything, but I did see some trading cards at Walmart the other day and ran to the toy section just in case I could get my hands on Mace Windu. </font>

I have heard that the action figures go on sale Tuesday April 23rd. I think that is the same day the soundtrack gets released...but I could be wrong.

You can go to the hasbro site and get pictures of all the toys being released.

starwars.harbro.com



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[bmain77]

30 more days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I lifted this quote from Tukka in another topic who lifted it from AICN. Here is my be all end all comment on CGI:


"The whole CGI crazyness that has been flying around the last year or so is really puzzling to me. The SFX in the movies today is a factor of 10 better than when for instance Star Wars came out in '77, and ironically we seem to complain about SFX 10 times as much. Nobody bitched about Star Wars in '77...I know, because unlike 85 percent of you dopes that frequent this board...I was a teenager back then, I was actually around, I speak from experience. Nobody was running around yelling "Dude, that so totally looked like a model on a freeking wire man!" "Man, that was totally an obvious matte painting man, how freeking lame!" People are so much more picky now about SFX. It's like they go into a movie with the sole perpose of trying to pick out the individual effects. By the way don't anyone dare tell me that you don't notice the effects in the original Star Wars. They are so obvious it ain't even funny, only a moron would say the effects work looks more realistic. Everything had matte lines around it and all the creatures were dudes in rubber suits"

Exactly. Tell me you don't notice the really lame looking model used for the closeups on the Death Star in the first film.
It was horrible. I still love the movie, but watch that scene and then watch the space fight in TPM and tell me the first one looks better. If you think it looks better, then I give up. THere is no way of getting you to like CGI. It's like trying to convince religious people that there is no God.

[noisy_brut]

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I was just over at the hasbro site looking at the Clones toys and saw a few interesting things. They have figures of a Tusken Raider woman and child. So I'm guessing this confirms the camp rumor. There is also a Jedi Knght figure named Nikto (sp?) who has a lightsaber, but also some type of swirl thing, don't know if it's another weapon, or just some type of effect used with him in the movie. Another very strange thing is there is Qui Gon Jinn figure for Attack of the Clones, but with no photo available...has anyone heard if he is supposed to be in the movie...maybe he is a clone like others have speculated elsewhere.

[arto_j]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bmain77:

Exactly. Tell me you don't notice the really lame looking model used for the closeups on the Death Star in the first film.
It was horrible. I still love the movie, but watch that scene and then watch the space fight in TPM and tell me the first one looks better. If you think it looks better, then I give up. THere is no way of getting you to like CGI. It's like trying to convince religious people that there is no God.

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I just watched the original trilogy again, and I must disagree with you here. The death star and other effects still look great. They don't look as good as TPM, of course not, but they still serve their purpose. That's what I'm hoping the CGI in AOTC will do, nothing more. For example, the pod racing sequence in TPM was only there, so you could say "wow, that's some nice effects", but it didn't have anything to do with the movie. I like seeing films with great effects and a weak story from time to time. But that's not what you expect from Star Wars. Star Wars is something bigger than that, not just effects.
The Phantom Menace looked awesome with its all effects, but they got a bit carried away at times, I wish that doesn't happen in AOTC, when it's not necessary to use CGI, then don't.
I'm not one of the people who are agains't CGI. In fact, I don't really undestand what's there to moan about. If it serves the film and the story, then it's only good for the film to look good too.
I think Yoda looks great in CGI, especially compared to the "old" Yoda. And in these prequels he's of course a lot younger than he was in Empire, where he had long lived in that shitty planet, so of course he looks better. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif
I think AOTC looks great, hopefully better than TPM, which was not a bad movie, just not good enough to be Star Wars.

[noisy_brut]

Has anyone looked on EBAY for any ATOC stuff? It seems like they have a bunch of stuff - including action figures - but the action figures have completely different packaging than the stuff on the Hasbro site. Is there different packaging in different parts of the world.

I also saw some still cards on there saying they were from an upcoming promotion from some fruit snack or something, but the pictures on the card was from Empire Strikes Back.

[ak]

I kind of both agree and disagree with Tuukka's perspective on things there.

I'm not a person who makes a lot of bitchy comments about CGI, but I know really good CGI and I know bad CGI when I see it.

Pearl Harbour - Faultless CGI.

A.I - Faultless CGI.

The Fellowship Of The Ring - CGI of a very high standard.

The Phantom Menace - CGI that looks CGI, although a small percentage of it was stunning and extremely well executed.

Seeing the Episode II trailers in the theatre (all of them) - Coruscant looks outstanding, as it did in Episode I, both during the day and during the night.

Like I have mentioned a lot of times, and people clumsily seem to be over-looking - I'm making a judgement from a trailer - I've said nothing but positive words for AOTC in this topic, apart from Yoda, who was only in the trailer for a short while, and an over-all judgement could not be made.

Infact, along with that image I posted of Yoda on the previous page, I thought he looked stunning, but not in all the moving shots.

Oh, and Jurassic Park's CGI is near faultless, even to this day.

I dislike it when people give a lecture about how they *think* they know better. I studied computer animation for a few months, I know the technicalities (I am now studying graphic design), I don't need any lectures on it.



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[bmain77]

It's all just a matter of opinion I guess, because I just recently watched Jurassic Park I for the first time in awhile and while still great you could tell they were CGI. The scene that really sticks out in my mind is the first time they see the Dinosaurs. The Brachiosaurus and the people just don't quite mess together that well. And I admit that's about as technical I can get with this stuff. Though the raptor's in the kitchen is still flawless in opinion.

It is just like Tukka's quote says, it seems as though anymore people go into movies looking for the CGI just to trash it. How about sitting back and enjoying the film as a whole, because that is what it's all about, isn't it? I can still enjoy the original three Star Wars just as much as I have ever did because I'm not just sitting there looking for every little defect. Enjoy the thing as whole instead of nitpicking the details. If TPM was a better written film than it was, we wouldn't have heard a peap out the CGI. However, the movie was a bit weak, so thats the first thing the haters started harping on.

Thats one thing DVD features and so on has ruined about film for me. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade DVD for anything, except whatevet next great technology comesd out. It might be just me, but it has taken a lot of the magic out of filmmaking for me. There is no longer that mystery there on how they did all the wonderful stuff.

[ak]

Just to prove a point about how great lighting is in the realism of a CGI, here I have messed about and enhanced the Yoda pic at the following link, into what you see below (The image has been darkened slightly, as well as changing the contrast, hue settings, noise pixelation, and sharpness...)

http://starwars.gamigo.de/episode2/bilder/oswm/oswm8.jpg

http://mysite.freeserve.com/fantasy_images/oswm8.jpg?0.4417929408922749

P.S - Considering this scene takes place underground, where Yoda has a face-off with Count Dookku, I've taken the liberty of exhaggerating the shadows a bit.




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[Americana]

Hey guys,


I don't know if anybody had posted this up yet but I did just in case. Below is the link to the Episode II Soundtrack's website. It might help ease your Pain while waiting for May to come.

http://www.sonyclassical.com/music/89932/

[noisy_brut]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Americana:
Hey guys,


I don't know if anybody had posted this up yet but I did just in case. Below is the link to the Episode II Soundtrack's website. It might help ease your Pain while waiting for May to come.

http://www.sonyclassical.com/music/89932/ </font>

Thanks! Sounds good...yeah I didn't get to download it a few weeks ago. I don't have a good enough connection.

[flamepillar]

I sure didn't wanna tick anybody off by slamming CGI like that. There's no doubt that movies look cooler than they ever have before.

I just don't wanna see the day when children stop saying "Hey, Mommy, look at this model of a car I built!" and instead saying "Hey Mommy, look at this cool looking car I made on the computer!" There's no love in that.

[ColinM]

OK, a question: Should I just give up and go read the script or hang in there and wait to see Episode II spoiler-free? Will I enjoy it less or more if I read the script?

[bmain77]

I'm trying to go in spoiler free, but yeah it is hard not to go check out that script. I had TPM ruined by that asshole Mancow on the radio so I don't want this one ruined for me.

[LordKaruku]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dh1989:
And I agree with BitchTits, how could you those scenes BELIEVABLY without using CGI. I would love to see you guys do the shot of Obi-Wan hanging on to a flying beast over a huge violent waterfall without computers. Or maybe forget making CGI lightsabers. We can make a plastic tunnel and put a blue or green light bulb in it.</font>

Er, yes. Wouldn't that look silly. I don't know how you could possibly make lightsabers without CGI. That movie "Empire Strikes Back" certainly couldn't have been made without computers. I mean, how could you show a person dangling from the bottom of a floating city without CGI? Or how could you show flying jets attacking giant robot walkers without CGI? Or a chase through an asteroid belt? Thank god for computers, because without them no movies could ever have been made!

Anyway...

[noisy_brut]

Did anyone see Entertainment Tonight last night? They had a preview of the new music along with a new portion of the coruscant chase scene.
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[jedi_X_1130]

I think Attack of the Clones will be a big hit. It maybe mushy insome scenes but it looks like there is just as much action. It is key to the legacy of Vader and Luke and Leia.

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by LordKaruku:
Er, yes. Wouldn't that look silly. I don't know how you could possibly make lightsabers without CGI. That movie "Empire Strikes Back" certainly couldn't have been made without computers. I mean, how could you show a person dangling from the bottom of a floating city without CGI? Or how could you show flying jets attacking giant robot walkers without CGI? Or a chase through an asteroid belt? Thank god for computers, because without them no movies could ever have been made!

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Erm......Last time I checked, CGI didn't exist in 1980.
They created all those effects through matte paintings, stop motion animation and minatures,and puppets, etc...

(The Lightsabre effect was achieved by "spoiling" the film print with a chemical).

[ColinM]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
Erm......Last time I checked, CGI didn't exist in 1980.
They created all those effects through matte paintings, stop motion animation and minatures,and puppets, etc...</font>

All these things are to the 1980s as CGI as it now. I have a feeling people bitched about too much of these things in The Emprie Strikes Back in the 1980s just as much as people bitch about too much CGI in Attack of the Clones now...

[arto_j]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
Erm......Last time I checked, CGI didn't exist in 1980.
They created all those effects through matte paintings, stop motion animation and minatures,and puppets, etc...

(The Lightsabre effect was achieved by "spoiling" the film print with a chemical).

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If I read that right, I'd believe that it's possible to detect REALLY heavy sarcasm in his post. So he knows that CGI didn't exist in 1980, that's the point. That they could do all those effects without computers.

[Zed]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ColinM:
All these things are to the 1980s as CGI as it now. I have a feeling people bitched about too much of these things in The Emprie Strikes Back in the 1980s just as much as people bitch about too much CGI in Attack of the Clones now...</font>

I think that the problem is that so much CGI effects create a "fake sensation" in the movie.

The story seems less realistic with the 1000000 CGI effects in it.

[ColinM]

Point taken. There does seem to be way too much CGI in AOTC, but it didn't ruin TPM for me and from what I've heard, AOTC can only be better! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Moviebuff_Mike]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by noisy_brut:
********Possible spoilers*******

I was just over at the hasbro site looking at the Clones toys and saw a few interesting things. They have figures of a Tusken Raider woman and child. So I'm guessing this confirms the camp rumor. There is also a Jedi Knght figure named Nikto (sp?) who has a lightsaber, but also some type of swirl thing, don't know if it's another weapon, or just some type of effect used with him in the movie. Another very strange thing is there is Qui Gon Jinn figure for Attack of the Clones, but with no photo available...has anyone heard if he is supposed to be in the movie...maybe he is a clone like others have speculated elsewhere.</font>

The accessory that comes with the Nikto Jedi is a "force power" effect thing (as seen with the upcoming "Saga" collection for the new toy line) and I have seen the Qui-Gon Jinn action figure. But it is not a figure intended for the AOTC line. It's just a figure for TPM with just a new sculpt. I too thought at first that he was going to appear in Episode II, but he's got he's green saber, and the sticker on the card say's Qui-Gon Jinn "Jedi Master" The Phantom Menace

[ak]

MASSIVE SPOILER IMAGE:

Head on over to This link (http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/image.cgi?Image=episode2/newspics/spoiler-anakin.jpg) for the huge spoiler image. It's something most people know about, but it looks really good....

Spoiler notes on the image: Due to Christopher Lee being 80 years old, you can see this guy is a stunt look-alike (make-up etc). Could be him though.

Notice his curved sabre handle!

It's also very scary how much Ewan McGregor looks like Alec Guinness in this picture:

http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/news/2002/04/news20020419b_5.html




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[ak]

Image fault. Sorry.

For those of you who like spoiler images, and have just jumped to this page - Make sure you check the image out on page two. Major spoiler, by the way.

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[Americana]

Wow!

That's a very thriling picture. Can you post more so we all can know what happens in the movie?

Sorry there, but when I see a link I just have to click on it, even though it might fuck with my not wanting to know anything about Star Wars before it comes out...

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Someone at TheForce.net has posted some exerts from the novelization of AOTC (or was Coming Attractions,....it was one of them) and I had read the fight scene with Anakin and Dooku, but didnt believe that he really got his arm cut off. I guess that proves it. Go and take a look at either forum (im pretty sure it is CA) and read it; I think it sounds good, if a little too drawn out. Hopefully it will play faster on film, than it sounds like it will.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, it was CA, and here it is;

Obi-Wan pressed forward more forecfully, but Dooku continued to fend off the strikes, and then his momentum played out. He was too far forward, while Dooku remained in perfect balance, ready for a counterstrike.
And then it was Dooku suddenly pressing the attack, his red blade stabbing and retracting so quickly that most of Obi-Wan's cutting parries hit nothing but air....
...Dooku stepped forward suddenly, stabbing low for Obi-Wan's thigh. Down went the blue blade to intercept, but to Obi-Wan's horror, Dooku retracted his weapon and thrust it right back out, up high and across the other way. Obi-Wan couldn't get his weapon back to block, nor could he slide back fast enough.
Dooku's red blade stabbed hard into his left shoulder, and as he lurched back, Dooku retracted the blade and stabbed along its original course, digging into Obi-Wan's right thigh. The Jedi stumbled backward, tripping and crashing hard against the wall, but even as he fell, Dooku was there, his red blade rolling over and inside Obi-Wan's blade, and with a sudden jerk, he sent Obi-Wan's lightsaber bouncing across the floor.
"And so it ends," Dooku said to the helpless Obi-Wan. With a shrug, the elegant Count lifted his red blade up high, then brought it down hard at Obi-Wan's head.
A green blade cut in under it, stopping it with a shower of sparks.
The Count reacted immediately, backpedaling and turning to face Anakin. "That's brave of you, boy, but foolish. I would've thought you'd learned your lesson."
"I'm a slow learner," Anakin replied coolly, and he came on then, so suddenly, so powerfully, his green blade whirling with such speed that he seemed almost encased in the green light.
For the first time, Count Dooku lost his little confident smile. He had to work furiously to keep Anakin's blade at bay, dodging more than parrying. He tried to step out to the side, but stopped as he hit a wall, and his eyes widened a bit when he realized that this young Padawan, in the midst of that assault, had used the Force to block his exit.
"You have unusual powers, young Padawan," he sincerely congratulated. His little grin returned, and gradually Dooku put himself back on even footing with Anakin, trading thrust for slash and forcing Anakin to dodge and parry as often as he tried to strike.
"Unusual," Dooku said again. "But not enough to save you this time!" He came on hard, thinking to drive Anakin back and off balance as he had driven Obi-Wan back. But Anakin held his ground stubbornly, his green blade flashing left, right, and down so forcefully and precisely that none of Dooku's attacks got through.

Off to the side, Obi-Wan understood that it couldn't hold. Anakin was expending many times the energy of the efficient Dooku, and as soon as he tired...
Obi-Wan knew that he had to do something. He tried to come forward, but winced and fell back, in too much pain. As he collected his thoughts, he reached out with the Force instead, grabbing at his lightsaber and pulling it into his grasp. "Anakin!" he called,and he tossed the young Padawan the blade. Anakin caught it without ever breaking the flow of his fighting, turning it under and igniting it immediately, putting it into the swirling flow.
Obi-Wan watched in admiration as Anakin worked the two blades in perfect harmony, spinning them over and about with blinding speed and precision.
And he watched with similar feelings the working of Dooku's red lightsaber, flashing ahead and back with equal precision, picking off attack after attack and even countering once or twice to interrupt the flow of Anakin's barrage.
Obi-Wan's heart lept in hope as Anakin charged forward suddenly, bringing his green blade over his shoulder and across, down at the Count. Obi-Wan understood immediately, even before he noted Anakin's blue blade coming up and over the other way--the green blade would push the Count's lightsaber out of the way, clearing the path for the victorious strike!
But Dooku retracted impossibly fast, and Anakin's downcutting green blade hit nothing but air.
Dooku stabbed straight ahead, intercepting the blue blade. The Count's hand worked up inside and over, then back around with a sudden twist, launching the blue lightsaber from Anakin's grasp. Dooku went on the offensive immediately, driving the surprised and off-balance Anakin back.
Anakin fought hard to regain his fighting posture, but Dooku was relentless, thrusting repeatedly, keeping the young Padawan stumbling backward.
And then he stopped, suddenly, and almost on reflex, Anakin turned back on him, roaring and slashing hard.
"No!" Obi-Wan cried.
Dooku stabbed ahead and slashed out suddenly, intercepting not Anakin's green blade, but the Padawan's arm, at the elbow. Half of Anakin's arm flew to the side, his hand still gripping the lightsaber.
Anakin dropped to the ground, grabbing his severed arm in agony.
Dooku gave another of his resigned shrugs. "And so it ends," he said for the second time.
Even as he spoke, though, the great hangar doors of the tower slid open, smoke from the battle outside pouring in. And through that smoke came a diminutive figure, but one seeming taller than all of them at that moment.
"Master Yoda," Dooku breathed.
"Count Dooku," said Yoda.
Dooku's eyes widened and he stepped back, turning to face Yoda directly. He brought his lightsaber up to his face, shut down the blade, then snapped it to the side in a formal salute. "You have interfered with our plans for the last time."
A wave of Dooku's free hand sent a piece of machinery flying at the diminutive Jedi Master, seeming as if it would surely crush him.
But Yoda was ready, waving his own hand, Force-pushing the flying machinery harmlessly aside.
Dooku clutched up at the ceiling, breaking free great blocks that tumbled down at Yoda.
But small hands waved and the boulders dropped to the side, bouncing across the floor all about the untouched Master Yoda.
Dooku gave a little growl and thrust forth his hand, loosing a line of blue lightning at the diminutive Master.
Yoda caught it in his own hand and turned it aside, but far from easily.
"Powerful you have become, Dooku," Yoda admitted, and the Count grinned--but Yoda promptly took that grin away by adding,"The dark side I sense in you."
"I have become more powerful than any Jediu," Dooku countered. "Even you, my old Master."
More lightning poured forth from Dooku's hand, but Yoda continued to catch it and turn it, and seemed to become more settled in his defensive posture.
"Much to learn, you still have," Yoda remarked.
Dooku disengaged the futile lightning assault. "It is obvious this contest will not be decided by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skills with a lightsaber."
Yoda reverently drew out his lightsaber, its green blade humming to life.
Dooku gave a crisp salute, igniting his own red blade, but then, formalities over, he leapt at Yoda, a sudden and devastating thrust.
But one that never got close to hitting. With hardly a movement, Yoda turned the blade aside.
Dooku went into a wild furry then, the likes of which he had not shown against Obi-Wan or Anakin, raining blows at the diminutive Master. But Yoda didn't even seem to move. He didn't step back or to the side, yet his subtle dodges and precision parries kept Dooku's blade slashing and stabbing harmlessly wide.
It went on and one for many moments, but eventually Dooku's flurry began to slow, and the Count, recognizing the futility of this attempt to overwhelm, stepped back fast.
Not fast enough.
With a sudden burst of sheer power, Master Yoda flew forward, his blade working so mightily that its residual glow outshone even those of both Anakin's lightsabers when he was at the peak of his dance. Dooku held strong, though, his red blade parrying brilliantly, each block backed by the power of the Force, or else Yoda's strikes would have driven right through.
Just as he was about to launch a counter, though, Yoda was gone, leaping high and turning a somersault to land right behind Dooku, in perfect balance, striking hard.
Dooku reversed his grip and stabbed out behind him, intercepting the blow. He let go of his weapon altogether, tossing it just a bit, and spun about, catching it before it had even disengaged from Yoda's blade.
With a growl of rage, Dooku reached more deeply into the Force, letting it flow through him as if his physical form was a mere conduit for its power. His tempo increased suddenly and dramatically, three steps forward, two back, perfectly balanced all the while. His fighting style was based on balance, on the back-and-forth charges, thrusts, and sudden retreats, and now he came at Yoda with a series of cunning stabs, angled left and right.
Never could he strike low, though, for never did Yoda seem to be on the ground, leaping and spinning, flying all about, parrying each blow and offering cunning counters that had Dooku skipping backward desparately.
Dooku stabbed up high, turning the angle of his lightsaber in anticipation that Yoda would dodge left. But Yoda, as if in complete anticipation of his movement, veered neither left nor right, but rather, dropped to the ground. The Count had already retracted the missed thrust, and began a second stab, this time down low, but Yoda had anticipated that too, and went right back up behind the stabbing blade.
A sudden stab by Yoda had Dooku quick-stepping back even more off-balance, for the first time, and then Yoda flew away, up and back.
The furious Dooku pursued, thrusting hard for Yoda's head. And in his rage when his stab missed again, he reverted to a slashing attack.
Yoda's green blade caught the blow, holding the red lightsaber at bay, locking the two in a contestof strength, physical and of the Force.
"Fought well, you have, my old Padawan," Yoda congratulated, and his lightsaber began to move out, just a bit, forcing Dooku back.
"The battle is far from over!" Dooku stubbornly argued. "This is just the beginning!" Reaching into the Force, he took hold of one of the huge cranes within the hangar and threw it down at Obi-Wan and Anakin.
"Anakin!" Obi-Wan cried. He grabbed at the plummeting crane with the Force, and Anakin, startled awake, did so, as well. Even working together, they hadn't the strength left to stop its crushing descent.
But Yoda did.
Yoda grabbed the crane and held it fast, but in doing so, he had to release Dooku. The Count wasted no time, sprinting away, leaping up the ramp to his sail ship. As Yoda began to move the fallen crane harmlessly aside, the sail ship's engine roared to life, and all three Jedi watched helplessly as Count Dooku blasted away.
As Anakin and Obi-Wan walked over to the exhausted Yoda, Padme rushed in, running to Anakin and wrapping the sorely wounded young man in a tight, desparate hug.
"A dark day, it is," Yoda said quietly.

[Americana]

Hello!!!!!! Your suposed to say SPOILERS! first. Not just post it up without thinking. What's wrong with you!

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, lets see, if you read my post before than you would realize that what I just posted was a spoiler before you even read it. And even if you didnt read my previous post, did it really take you til the end of the latter post to realize it was a spoiler?? Well, if the answer is yes to that question than I feel really bad for you, and if you did read my previous post than I think you should have known it was a spoiler. Im not going to edit my post, because I think most people would understand this, so,....yeah. Dont read it if you dont want to be spoiled. And if you do find yourself reading it, dont fucking bitch at me, because it took you til the end of the post to realize it.

[Americana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Well, lets see, if you read my post before than you would realize that what I just posted was a spoiler before you even read it. And even if you didnt read my previous post, did it really take you til the end of the latter post to realize it was a spoiler??</font>

I knew it was a spoiler from reading the first post about it.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Well, if the answer is yes to that question than I feel really bad for you,</font>

What was that suposed to mean?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">and if you did read my previous post than I think you should have known it was a spoiler.</font>

That besides the point. You should very well know that each post is it's own diffrent post, meaning you post 100 diffrent post which All contain spoilers, then you better have all 100 post saying at the very top ***Spoilers*** so that everyone know to just skip thru it. otherwise you get a load of angery schmoes on you hands.

Anyway, that how I feel about it. But if you have a diffrent view on this then I'm sorry to bother you about it.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Im not going to edit my post, because I think most people would understand this, so,....yeah.</font>

I really don't care what you do bro. It's you post.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Dont read it if you dont want to be spoiled. And if you do find yourself reading it, dont fucking bitch at me, because it took you til the end of the post to realize it.</font>

I wasn't bitching at you okay, I was bitching at your post.
--out--

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[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Americana:
Wow!

That's a very thriling picture. Can you post more so we all can know what happens in the movie?</font>

I take it that's sarcasm.
Well, this is a thread about Attack Of The Clones, and is bound to have spoilers.
I put the link up with a very noticable spoiler message, it is up to you to see it if you want. I'm not twisting anyone's arm. There you go.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

lol! "Twisting anyones arm." I get it! Very funny. Very funny, indeed.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

And here again from CA (well, actually from force.net) is another part of the AOTC novelization. This time its the Tuken village massacre. Dont look for GL to keep it this violent however.

"… The two Tusken guards gave a yelp and lifted their staves, rushing for him, but the blue-glowing blade ignited, and in a flash of killing light, Anakin took them down, left and right. The rage was not sated

Deep in meditations, peering through the dark side, Master Yoda felt a sudden surge of anger, of outrage beyond control. The diminutive Master’s eyes popped open wide at the overwhelming strength of that rage. And then he heard a familiar voice, crying “No Anakin! No! Don’t! No!” It was Qui gon. Yoda knew it was Qui-Gon. But Qui-Gon was dead, he had become one with the force!

THERE IS MORE OF THIS SCENE


SKIP TO SLAUGHTER I can’t type it all. sorry its too much

Anakin, too, had heard the voice of Qui Gon, imploring him to restrain himself, to deny the rage.He hadn’t recognized it though, for he was too full of pain and anger. He spotted a Tusken woman to the side, in front of another of the tents, carrying a pail of dirty water, and saw a Tusken child in the shadows of another nearby hut, staring at him with an incredulous expression.
Then he was moving, though he was hardly aware of his actions. His blade flashed and he ran on.The Tusken woman screamed, and was impaled.
Now all the camp seemed in motion, Tuskens rushing out of every hut, many with weapons in hand. But Anakin was into the dance of death then, into the energy of the force. He lept far and long, clearing one hut and coming down before another, his blade flashing even before he landed, even before the two Tuskens had realized that he had jumped between them.
A third came at him, thrusting forth a spear, but Anakin lifted an empty hand and set up a wall of force energy as solid as stone. Then he shoved out with that hand and the Tusken spearman flew away, fully thirty meters, smashing through the wal of yet another hut.
Anacin was off and running, off and leaping, his blade spinning left and right in a blur, every stab taking a Tusken down, writhing to the ground, every slash putting a piece of Tusken on the ground.
Soon none were standing against him, all trying to flee, but Anakin would have none of that. He saw one group rush into a hut and reached out across the way, to a large boulder in the distance. It flew to his call, soaring across the sand, smashing one fleeing Tusken down and flying on.
Anakin dropped it on the hut full of Tuskens, cruhing them all.
And then he was running, his strides enhanced by the force, overcoming the fleeing creatures, slaughtering them, every one. He didn’t feel empty any longer. He felt a surge of energy and strength beyond anything he had ever known, felt full of the force, full of power, full of life.
And then it was over, suddenly, it seemed and Anakin stood among the ruins of the encampment, dozens and dozens of dead Tuskin Raiders all about him, and only a single hut still standing.
He put his lightsaber away and walked back to the hut, where he gently and reverently scooped his mother’s body into his arms. …"

[arto_j]

From the imdb:

Star Wars producer Rick McCallum has stunned fans of the Sci-Fi epics, by branding them "deranged". As devotees prepare for next month's release of Episode II: Attack Of The Clones, McCallum - who has worked on all five movies - has spoken out about followers of the cult classic. He says, "There is a group of people who are seriously deranged and who we love dearly. That's what makes Star Wars work, in a strange way."


So, what do you think. Are we all "deranged" because we love some films, and spend all our free time writing, reading, waiting and watching them? I'd propose mr. McCallum to go @£$€ himself http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[noisy_brut]

Fox is playing three of the four Star Wars Movies. One every Thursday starting the 25th of April with Empire Strikes Back - SE. Each movie will be preceded with new Attack of the Clones footage. I hope it's different than what they showed on ET last week.

[ak]

Seriously though, that Tusken Raider massacre could be one very emotional/dramatic scene - One of the most in the entire series of films, in terms of what it indicates.
When I read the script, that sequence was merely "suggested", having Anakin lighting his Lightsabre and just walking toward the encampment with a look of anger on his face. It seemed to play out better like that, but we shall see which way it is in the film.

[APzombie]

just a couple of quick links, first, if you want to see some of Tops trading cards off Attack of the Clones (some spoilers), click here- http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/image.cgi?Image=episode2/newspics/cardcollage.jpg

If you want to check out a preview of times article on AOTC (that will have yoda on the cove click here- http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020429/story.html

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Judging by the trailers, Hayden is at his best when angry, so I would like to seethe extended massacre sequence, but im not holding my breathe.

[Americana]

Ack? or ak, which ever, and you too Dumb-fokker. YOu have to understand me when it comes to reading spoilers. I hate to know about a film before it comes out, yet... Yet like the dumbass that I am, I can't help but read everything that is posted about said film. This movie isn't the only one either. Just the other week I saw the Trailer for that new dragon flick coming out, Reign of Fire. And when I saw it, the moment I got home I loged on and went crazy trying to find out everything I could about it, even though I hate knowing too much about a movie before I see it. So you see, when I bitch at you guys for posting up spoilers, I'm just doing that to take the blame off of me, even if I know that it's wrong.

So when I bitch at you guys or make a rude remark, just don't even pay any attention to me okay.

And really though, how can you come to a place like this if your not gonna read what people post up, right! But I thought that the picture you posted ack was really amazing bro. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Americana]

One More Thing!

Would anybody happen to know if May 16th is a Holiday? Because I would like to know why Lucas would bring a film out on a Thursday, and not a Friday like everyone else. I thought being that Thursday is a Work day, not to mention School day as well, nobody with half a brain would skip work or school (Except all of those SW fans) just to see this movie. But if the 16th is a holiday, then that would explain it all.

[noisy_brut]

The new Star Wars music video is being released today on MTV at 4 o'clock and can also be downloaded off of starwars.com

I think it is for the song Across The Stars

[noisy_brut]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Americana:
One More Thing!

Would anybody happen to know if May 16th is a Holiday? Because I would like to know why Lucas would bring a film out on a Thursday, and not a Friday like everyone else. I thought being that Thursday is a Work day, not to mention School day as well, nobody with half a brain would skip work or school (Except all of those SW fans) just to see this movie. But if the 16th is a holiday, then that would explain it all.</font>

It is not a holiday. He did the same thing with Phantom Menace...he opened that on a Wednesday. I think it was so all the die hard fans waiting out could go and see it the first couple days, and the families could bring their kids to see it on the weekend.

[Stripes]

Just got this info off of StarWars.com, thought you schmoes might wanna check it out. For a limited time you can get 1 of the four different collectors cards with the album. SO pretty much it's like the LOTR cards which is really goofy, but oh well i'm buying it for the music. i'll probably also get the book today too.

April 23 is already a big day for Star Wars fans, but you'll want to make sure you've completed your store run early. The new music video for the Episode II soundtrack song "Across the Stars" by composer John Williams will make its debut on MTV on Tuesday at 4 p.m. EST. The video, which includes new footage from Attack of the Clones, will also make its online debut here on starwars.com on Tuesday.
http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/news/2002/04/img/sony_keyart_sm.jpg


http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/news/2002/04/img/sony_anipad_sm.jpg


http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/news/2002/04/img/sony_jango_sm.jpg


http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/news/2002/04/img/sony_yoda_sm.jpg



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[ak]

SPOILER NOTES:


I'm in college at the moment (3.30 U.K time), so I can't post these images up, or the links - Don't have time - But, TheForce.net has some great images up of Yoda fighting Count Dooku with his Lightsabre in hand, and a brilliant image of Anakin burning a Tusken Raider tent with his Lightsabre - The fury on his face looks very intense.

Fokker - Going by the description that you posted, it sounds as though that's how the scene is going to play out. It looks amazing.

[sleekproductions]

How About This:
Three New TV Spots

http://download.theforce.net/episode2/aotc_obi-wan_jedi_knight.mpeg

http://download.theforce.net/episode2/aotc_anakin_chosen_one.mpeg

http://download.theforce.net/episode2/aotc_r2.mpeg

[Americana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
I'm in college at the moment (3.30 U.K time), so I can't post these images up, or the links - Don't have time - But, TheForce.net has some great images up of Yoda fighting Count Dooku with his Lightsabre in hand, and a brilliant image of Anakin burning a Tusken Raider tent with his Lightsabre - The fury on his face looks very intense.</font>

I've got that link right here, along with a few other pictures that I thought was cool. Enjoy!

http://perso.club-internet.fr/willow/SW_E2/E2_0079_2.jpg

http://perso.club-internet.fr/willow/SW_E2/E2_0086_2.jpg

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[Americana]

Sorry, all I could find was one other. oh well.

[APzombie]

its a little past 4:00 but the star wars music thing hasent come on MTV yet, so TURN IT ON! NOW!

LAST CHANCE

[APzombie]

Just seen the music video!

The music is of course amazing, like every John Williams score, there were alot of clips for episode 2! I must say that this looks like it will be 100 times better than the Phantom Menece, Though im afriad that (out of the clips in the video) the actor who plays Anikin, well, he didn't impress me that much, his acting was somewhat bland. The clips were well used and well mixed. Though im still speculating on how the film will turn out.

I hope you guys saw it. Hope ak will do his inside analization soon (lol)...

[ak]

Well the thing only went and broke up literally half way through, so I didn't catch it all. I'll download it all in college tomorrow, which, on their digital connection, should only take two minutes.

From what I saw I really can't say much, cause it's just a mish-mash of scenes we've seen before (apart from the odd one or two), and the music I have been listening to for the last month, and have already stated what I feel about it in previous posts (I think it's very good for those un-initiated).

P.S - If anyone is ever bored, go to Audiogalaxy.com and search for Star Wars themes, in there they have all sorts of WAVs including Yoda having sex with Leia - "Feel the force, feel the force deep within you". Very funny, yet slightly immature http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[bskutle]

Wanted to add something to the conversation, so I'll add my review I just made of the "Episode II" soundtrack, which is out today.

(The track titles below are potential **Spoilers** for the film. Having not seen the film, the music is being judged solely on criteria of mood and relation to previous "Star Wars" music.)

1. "'Star Wars' Main Title and Ambush on Coruscant"- The first part is pretty self-explanatory; if you don't recognize that music, no need seeing the film. It's what comes after that counts, and this has to be the most evocative and subtle post-scrawl music since "The Empire Strikes Back." By the way, that's a good thing.

2. "Love Theme from 'Attack of the Clones'"- One question- where did "Across the Stars" come from as a title for this piece? It's not on the cover anywhere. Actually, it's the name of the music used for the music video, but that's another story. It matters not, this is where Williams buries every film composer in history the most- his leitmotifs (that is, themes for specific characters or places). More than Han and Leia's love theme from the original trilogy, this piece is the centerpiece of the album, and it is a masterpiece. The forboding, the exhilaration, the feeling. This is perhaps the finest love theme in film since Bernard Herrmann's haunting strains for "Vertigo" nearly 45 years ago. Bravo John!

3. "Zam the Assassin and The Chase Through Coruscant"- To evoke the more primitive and youthful excitement in Episode I, Williams used percussion to create fluid and complex rhythmic action sequence cues. He continues that "evolution"- one might say- here, and the result is one of the most exciting action sequences I have yet to see. For all out daring in the Williams canon, Williams even uses riffs on a rock-metal guitar to highten the excitement. It seems out of place on the first pass through the soundtrack, but since Anakin seems to be behaving like a punk-assed teen throughout the film, it does make some sense, and goes perfectly with the tricky and trippy percussion work Williams employes.

4. "Yoda and the Younglings"- This is for those of you who yearn for the innocence of the Ewoks in "Return of the Jedi" and "The Phantom Menace" with it's kiddie Anakin and his cute relationship with Natalie Portman's Padme (if there are such fans). Themes that can be heard are the love theme, Yoda's theme, the Force theme from the original trilogy (which still has the power to send chills up your spine), while the music brings to mind Williams' touching work for the last third of "A.I."

5. "Departing Coruscant"- A well-crafted track, but I'll be honest, I'll need to hear it with the movie to say how well it works.

6. "Anakin and Padme"- As the doomed romance between Anakin and Padme grows, Williams brings a lush, romantic swoon to his music that sets the mood for their blossoming love, and it's inevitable consequences. That love theme is really working for John, and the final passages are haunting.

7. "Jango's Escape"- The main attraction on the bad guy front appears to be Jango Fett, Boba Fett's father. The title says it all- more action, more syncopated percussion, more brass, more vintage "Star Wars" adventure music. But Williams isn't phoning in his parts- this is a fresh take on the "Star Wars" adventure score. You know what? I like it.

8. "The Meadow Picnic"- There are other times the score comes close to sounding like "Harry Potter," but it doesn't come closer than it does here. He does some nice things with the love theme and evocative passages in the score, leading me to believe this part of the film will be more than advertised here.

9. "Bounty Hunter's Pursuit"- Another vintage "Star Wars" track, this one bringing to mind the Battle on Endor in "Jedi" and parts of "Menace's" epic scoring. It gets the imagination going, but that could be said about many a film soundtracks experienced before the film. Another track I'll have to hear with the movie to really evaluate. It does bring back one of the more powerful pieces of music from "Phantom Menace," though.

10. "Return to Tatooine"- One of the soundtrack's best tracks, bringing us back to some of the cues from Tatooine in Episode I, and reminding this listener a bit of "Lawrence of Arabia," but punching it up with some exciting music a good ways in, like a reprise of Episode I's central work, "Duel of the Fates," bringing in the Force theme- sounding as it did in Episode IV (the orig. "Star Wars"), but creating something much more compelling and dramatic than your average action cue. Something tells me this will be something pretty cool in the film. (OK, now I'm stretching, but what do you want? I haven't seen it yet.)

11. "The Tusken Camp and The Homestead"- I've got little idea what this cue is supporting visually, but it's a great example of a composer enjoying one of the most fruitful collaborations in his career. Plus, he can still show the youngins' how it's done with a vet's passion and skill. I'm immediately intrigued to learn more.

12. "Love Pledge and The Arena"- As no one tops Williams in thematic composition, he's the composer par excellence of orchestral action cues, where he let's the bombast rip and tear through the speakers to your eardrums. In this and Episode I, it's ripped in thrilling and suprising ways (think tracks 14 & 15 of the 1st edition "Menace" score), and no where is that more evident than in this full-scale action piece. This is going to be a huge set piece for Lucas to pull off, and my bet is, he will. Williams afficianados will recognize parts of it (derived from "Menace" material and some of the more rhythmically challenging parts of his underrated "Lost World" score), but it's all in the way he mounts it (one senses an epic sequence here) that makes it sing of Williams mastery.

13. "Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale"- Does Episode II end in a cliffhanger, or was this the only way they could fit both of these pieces onto the 73-minute CD? No matter. The "Confrontation" part of the track has me wanting to find out. You get to hear a little of the love theme, a little of the "Imperial March," and a little of "Duel in the Fates" from Episode I.

So how does this effort compare to the remainder of the saga? Too early to tell; I'll let you know May 17th. I will say that it has some of Williams' finest individual moments of the series, and even if an "Ultimate Edition" of the soundtrack is inevitable in the future (as it was with "Phantom Menace"), you won't be wasting your money checking this effort out. I will rank the "Star Wars" soundtracks below though based solely on musical merit (and personal favorites), as well as my 10 favorite "Star Wars" cues of all-time.

The "Star Wars" Saga: The Soundtracks
1. "Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back" (1980)
2. "Episode I- The Phantom Menace" (1999)
3. "Episode IV- A New Hope" (1977)
4. "Episode II- Attack of the Clones" (2002)
5. "Episode VI- Return of the Jedi" (1983)

The "Star Wars" Saga: The 10 Favorite Cues
**All tracks from two-disc "Special Editions" of scores unless otherwise noted.
1. "Rescue From Cloud City/Hyperspace" (from "The Empire Strikes Back")
2. "The Battle of Endor II (The Dark Side Beckons/The Emperor's Death)" (from "Return of the Jedi")
3. "Passage Through the Planet Core" (from "The Phantom Menace", 1st Edition soundtrack)
4. "Love Theme from 'Attack of the Clones'" (from "Attack of the Clones", 1st Ed. soundtrack)
5. "The Emperor Arrives/The Death of Yoda/Obi-Wan's Revelation" (from "Return of the Jedi")
6. "Love Pledge and The Arena" (from "Attack of the Clones", 1st Ed. soundtrack)
7. "The Clash of Lightsabers" (from "The Empire Strikes Back")
8. "The Throne Room/End Title" (from "A New Hope")
9. "Duel of the Fates" (from "The Phantom Menace", 1st Ed. soundtrack)
10. (tie) "Star Wars Main Title" & "Boarding the Federation Battleship" (from "The Phantom Menace", Ultimate Ed. soundtrack)

[Americana]

Shit, I missed it. Does anyone know when it'll be on again? Or if I can download it off the net? If so, please lemmie know okay. Thankz.

[Americana]

That's okay, I found and downloaded it off starwars.com (http://starwars.com) already. wasn't bad, wasn't bad at all. In fact, it was rather pleasing... peaceful... and did I forget amazing. I did notice something though. Why did it say Musicvideo1 for??? Could this mean that there might be more along the way??? I don't know for sure, but maybe you guys might.

[Common Sense Man]

Well a few days off the board due to server bugs, and I miss all sorts of stuff.

Just watched the music vid and it was nice to actually get to hear the sound effects from the scenes we had seen in the trailer.

Plus a couple of new shots, that was nice.

Now I have to comment about those pics of Yoda, especially the one where he is fighting Dooku or poopo or whatever his name is.

Now I like Yoda but it looked almost laughable. Not the CGI just the image of a little 3 foot tall Yoda fighting a human, with a lightsabre no less.

If that is really a scene from the flick I think I will have a very hard time taking it seriously.

I mean he is a Master he should not have to go head to head but use his more powerful force powers.

Plus can you see Yoda jumping around doing acrobatics!

Hmm we shall have to wait and see but it is going to be a hard pill to swallow if he is leaping around like a mini-darth maul.

And what is up with Dooku's curved lightsabre. Is that Georges homage to Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back?

http://www.boxoff.com/jpg/aug01/smith.jpg

I heard that Kevin Smith said he has never heard word one from GL about all his inclusion of Star Wars stuff in his movies.

Come on George give him his props!

Out...................

[Common Sense Man]

Yo, Yo, Yo! CSM here representin and keepin it reel!

I ran across something interesting after I viewed the music video.

http://www.gif.com/ImageGallery/Animated/Fantasy/Drawing/colorsab.gif

Lightsabres that appear out of no where!

Come over to the Annex and check out my discovery.

http://commonsenseman.netfirms.com/html/lightsabre.html

Out........................

[ak]

Interesting insight there CSM.

By the way, Yoda is in that shot, but I don't think it's where you said. That Jedi,whoever it was, is a little tall for Yoda.
I've seen a close-up shot of it (major close up) over at TheForce.net and he was actually tucked away somewhere in the back.

[noisy_brut]

Where did everyone pick up their soundtracks? I got mine at Best Buy and it came with a trading card in it. It said the trading cards were only for Soundtracks sold by Best Buy. Is this true?

[noisy_brut]

I read somewhere today...I think it was on Boston.com that for Phantom Menace there were over 85 different products released. For Attack of the Clones they have scaled it back to less than 50. Has this one felt shoved down your throat like Menace did?

[bskutle]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by noisy_brut:
Where did everyone pick up their soundtracks? I got mine at Best Buy and it came with a trading card in it. It said the trading cards were only for Soundtracks sold by Best Buy. Is this true?</font>

Yes, it's true, and I actually bought mine at MediaPlay. Which cover did you get? I got the one with Anakin and Amidala on it.

[noisy_brut]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bskutle:
Yes, it's true, and I actually bought mine at MediaPlay. Which cover did you get? I got the one with Anakin and Amidala on it.</font>

I got the Jango Fett cover...and the card inside was the shot of Obi Wan and Anakin running with their lightsabers from the trailer.

Edited to add: Does anyone think the Aliens in the picture with the caption "You must be anxious to inspect the units for yourself" look very similar to the furture mechs from AI?



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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Whoever thought that the commercials they made for the movie would get anybody excited at all, was sorely mistaken. Those commercials are so damn stupid it boggles the mind that they would even use them to market this film.

[ak]

There were some really, really good print based adverts shown over at TheForce.net a few days back - They've been spotted at "bus stops" all across Britain, each with different themes and characters. They are really well done.

Overall, it must be generally agreed that the scale of fan madness for AOTC is a great deal lesser than that of TPM. This is a very good thing. It's not been shoved down our throats that greatly, and it feels slightly refreshing to be honest.
Although, I believe the rather under-whelming trailers have had something to do with it (this could also be a very good thing).

[APzombie]

i think its hard to 'swallow' the idea of low marketing and bad trailers being a part of Lucas' "master plan", though i wish it was true and this would be a new start for the seires, my hopes go so far as for AOTC to be better than the phantom menace, i know it won't be up there with te first three.

[Americana]

Well, I got the Yoda cover of the soundtrack in case anyone wanted to know.

[sleekproductions]

I got the cover with Anakin and Padme.

The soundtrack itself is one of the best I have ever heard.

Not for Star Wars, for all time. I will be SHOCKED if this does not pull a best score nomination come next award season. Congrats Mr. Williams on ANOTHER job fucking amazingly done.

[sleekproductions]

sorry

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[Americana]

I was thinking of getting the Anakin and Padme one, but when I saw Yoda it just got me.

[Americana]

Hey!

I don't know if this is off topic or not, but did you guys watch Episode IV: The Empire Strikes Back, on FOX tonight???

I also read that they are going to run Return of the Jedi next week and The phantom Manace the week after.

Must be one of those things to keep your mind set on SW till it comes out.


A.M.

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[Strider]

Hey yo,

I'm wondering: Is anybody reading the AOTC novel??? I am. I'm on chapter nine right now. It's a great read. I don't why I'm spoiling the movie for myself, but I can't wait anymore. I'm pretty damn sure I'll still enjoy the movie though.

Strider

[noisy_brut]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Americana:
Hey!

I don't know if this is off topic or not, but did you guys watch Episode IV: The Empire Strikes Back, on FOX tonight???

I also read that they are going to run Return of the Jedi next week and The phantom Manace the week after.

Must be one of those things to keep your mind set on SW till it comes out.


A.M.

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I caught the end...what was the new Episode II footage they showed?

[bskutle]

Off the subject of the film a tad (and getting kind of geeky), how many people have bought Episode II merchandise? If so, what have you gotten?

Here's my collection so far:

"Star Wars: Episode II- Attack of the Clones" Soundtrack

Action Figures:
Padme Amidala (am I the only one who went "Wowza!" when I first saw this action figure)
Jango Fett
R2-D2
Shaak Ti
Jar Jar Binks (sorry folks, just couldn't resist)
Mace Windu Deluxe Figure

Key Chains:
Anakin Skywalker Lightsaber
Jango Fett Blaster

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[Americana]

Well, I'm not a big Star wars Action Figure collector so I only collect Jedi's and Sith when I can.

My Current Jedi Council is:

Mace Windu
Ki-Adi-Mundi
Saesee Tiin
Eeth Koth (A Rare find)
Plo Koon
Adi Gallia
Yoda


My other Jedi Figures are:

Qui Gon Jinn
Anakin Skywalker (Both young & old)
Obi-Wan Kenobi (Again, both young & old)
Kit Fisto (note: This guy was a very very hard one to come across, I had to go thru a lot of stores to get this guy. Thank you wal-Mart) *Good Luck!


My future Jedi buys will be:

Oppo Rancisis
Even Piell
Stass Allie
Sarr Labooda
Luminara Unduli
Barris Offee

Which, I pray they make into toys.


Also, my Sith Collection is:

Darth Vader (Sadly only two types)
Darth Maul (maa Favorite!)
Darth Sidious
Emperor Palpatine (Not Chancellor Palpatine... Yet anyways.)

And hopefully I'll find Count Dooku soon. Oh, and I also have Boba Fett. Bit I can't seem to find Jango Fett yet. I wonder if it came out yet or if I got to the store too late.

[Americana]

Hey, I just got a Shaak Ti before I got home, and that should cover the Jedi side of the force for me. Now I need Sith, lots and lots of Sith to counter attack... I'm going mad I tell you!

[Americana]

This waiting is really starting to eat away at me as the time draws near. I'm becoming more and more hyped out even though I don't want to be. I'm losing it man!

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http://perso.club-internet.fr/willow/SW_E2/E2_0086_2.jpg
During his best and sadly final years in the Jedi order, Jedi Master Yoda never lets his guard down and is always ready give his life for peace and freedom where it is needed.

[ak]

Possible spoilers...

Ok. I've read almost all there is to know about Episode II, but I still don't quite understand the whole Count Dooku/Palpatine situation.

It is of my knowledge that Dooku was the master of Qui Gon Jinn, and the reason he fled to dark side was because of his death.
Now, this is where my confusion starts.

Ok....So he fled to the dark side. Does this mean he went to the darkside, but didn't join Siduous?
In one of the trailers Dooku says "Join me Obi Wan, and together we can destroy the Sith"
Then, after some research I find that Dooku is working for Siduous. (In the illustrated companion for the film, it shows Dooku meeting with Sidious in one of the final scenes in the film).

Why would he be working for a Sith if he knew they were behind the death of his apprentice? Or was he so over-come with the dark side at that point that it didn't matter?

I hope I made sense, but I would really appreciate an answer to that. Thanks.

P.S - Dooku, from what's been seen, seems to hold the same powers as Emperor Palpatine from Return Of The Jedi - How come he too doesn't have a terribly distorted face?

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[Common Sense Man]

Well ak I can't say that I have been doing much research but I too have had problems with the whole Dooku thing.

Now that you tell me he was already a Jedi it makes more sense, I always wondered why have a 80 year old apprentice!

Now to the whole disfigurement thing, who knows I do not think that is a by product of the dark side but simply of something that the Emperor went thru. But I am not sure.

I think AOTC will most likely do better than TPM after the first few weeks go by. I expect to see a good start then when people realize it doesn't blow as much as TPM they will start to flock to the theaters.

Because I think most may be secretly excited about this flick but are still very hesitant to get sucked into the hype because they got burned by TPM.

Will I see it opening day, probably not, but I will try and get to it in the first week or so simply to avoid the plot being ruined for me.

Out...................

[ColinM]

Has anyone seen the picture of Yoda holding the lightsaber? Until I saw it I was worried that he'd look stupid, but it really works for him! I wish I could find it so I could post it here...

[Americana]

Hello! ColinM, I just posted it last night dude, didn't you see it? Unless your talking about another one, and i that case I wanna see it too!

http://perso.club-internet.fr/willow/SW_E2/E2_0086_2.jpg
During his best and sadly final years in the Jedi order, Jedi Master Yoda never lets his guard down and is always ready give his life for peace and freedom where it is needed.

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[ak]

ColinM - If you look on (I think) page three of this topic there's a link somewhere that shows Yoda with his weapon of choice, other than that shown above.

Surprisingly, all those who have seen footage of Yoda in action say it's astonishing.
Empire film magazine called it an "earth shattering" sequence.

Blimey, sounds promising....

P.S - Blimey is a British word which usually means "golly" or "wow".

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
ColinM - If you look on (I think) page three of this topic there's a link somewhere that shows Yoda with his weapon of choice, other than that shown above.

Surprisingly, all those who have seen footage of Yoda in action say it's astonishing.
Empire film magazine called it an "earth shattering" sequence.

Blimey, sounds promising....

P.S - Blimey is a British word which usually means "golly" or "wow".</font>

All I can say about the Yoda action is that it better be beyond good or it will fail utterly.

If he looks like a muppet fighting a 6'2" man it will not work.

I will try to keep an open mind but until I see it I think I will have my doubts.

Becuase to me even the lightsabre pic looks a little screwy. I just never imagined Yoda fighting in that manner.

But we shall see.

Out................

[ColinM]

D'OH! I feel like an ass. Here I am talking about a Yoda w/ lightsaber picture that I wish I could find and it was right here all along. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif

Anyway, I love that freaking picture! I was worried that Yoda would look stupid fighting with a lightsaber, but I think he looks seriously great in that picture!

[Moviebuff_Mike]

Possible *SPOILERS*

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Im not sure if this has been posted before but if you really want to see Yoda in action check this out (http://perso.club-internet.fr/willow/SW_E2/E2_0079_2.jpg)

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Moviebuff_Mike:
Possible *SPOILERS*

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Im not sure if this has been posted before but if you really want to see Yoda in action check this out (http://perso.club-internet.fr/willow/SW_E2/E2_0079_2.jpg)</font>

Ya that was posted by ak I believe. That was the picture that made me go whoa, this could be really crappy!

I mean 3 foot nothing fighting 6 foot plus. It just seems like it would be stupid for Yoda to go hand to hand especially if he is a Master and powerful in the force.

But hey George hung up on me when I tried to give him my suggestions.

Out..................

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

You all know whats gonna happen, right?? Sure, AotC is going to be better than TPM, but being better than TPM doesnt exactly say much. Since it is going to be better, everyone is going to blow this movies quality out of proportion and cause the same thing to happen to this film that happened to TPM. I just think that since the fans are expecting a better movie; when they get it, there gonna take things too far. But thats just how I see it. As for Yoda fighting Dooku being an "earth-shattering" expieriance - I doubt it. I just think he looks silly, holding that light-saber. Granted, I havent seen him in action, I still think he looks silly in the picture.

[Americana]

Come on now people, what is wrong with you. There are some people out there that has been waiting years to see something like this. I mean until now Master Yoda in combat was only a daydream or a roleplaying game. Now it's become a real event.

How can you say that his fighting will look crappy if you haven't even seen him in action?

How can you say that he shouldn't be using his lightsaber since he's so powerful when you know that he is a jedi and will still count on and use his lightsaber when he has to?

And how can you say that him fighting Dooku will look stupid or crappy, when in fact it would be amazing to see such a small being go up against someone almost three times his own hight.... And Win?

I know that I'm gonna get fought with and probably even bitched at since I said this but it's what I think. I'm no expert, and I probably don't know more then you guys would about movies, but that's what I think and I feel that other people will like and understand it too. I mean, you have got to be kidding me if you think that even someone as powerful as Master Yoda doesn't need to use a lightsaber every now and then. But anyways, I AM looking forward to not just seeing this movie but also seeing Master Yoda in action. And of course I also pray that the effects are indeed better then good. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[Common Sense Man]

Hey!

I am not ripping on you and I have no more knowledge of how Yoda will look than you do. And I like Yoda but I just think it will look comical.

Maybe Yoda's secret weapon is causeing back spasms in his opponents as they have to bend over to far to hit him.

And yes I can see Yoda using his sabre from time to time but when it comes to an opponent so much larger why not take him out from a distance.

I hope that GL does this in a good fashion but just think about the scenes you have seen so far.

Darth Maul and even the Anikin, Dooku clips, they are fluid and fast. I just cannot see that happening with Yoda. Hell he only has a on foot stride!

He will look like a cartoon character trying to scurry around to keep up with Dooku.

I agree we have no idea how much will be shown in the flick so we should just wait but I have my doubts.

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And DF I agree that even if this movie is mediocre by normal standards as long as it is slightly better than TPM the fans will call it his greatest achievment yet.

I think it will be better, but I am still going to wait to see it before I start praising it's greatness.

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Also check this fantastic fan site out. www.toshistation.com (http://www.toshistation.com)


http://www.contrabandent.com/cwm/s/otn/violent/sword2.gif Out......................

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[ak]

Quote, by Common Sense Man:
He will look like a cartoon character trying to scurry around to keep up with Dooku

Actually, it is the other way around. Yoda is so superior in skill compared to Dooku that Yoda hardly moves. It's when Yoda goes in for the kill that he starts to flip around eveywhere. This, clearly, makes Dooku try and get away from him.

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
Quote, by Common Sense Man:
He will look like a cartoon character trying to scurry around to keep up with Dooku

Actually, it is the other way around. Yoda is so superior in skill compared to Dooku that Yoda hardly moves. It's when Yoda goes in for the kill that he starts to flip around eveywhere. This, clearly, makes Dooku try and get away from him.</font>


Hey ak is your info from the script of some other visual image? Yes it would be much more believable if Yoda was sort of standing there and defending against Dooku in an off hand manner like in those Kung Fu movies where the Master stands there and casually blocks all his opponents attacks until he is ready to give the one killing blow.

And I can see Yoda doing a single move, like jumping, flipping and striking Dooku, but a continued extended battle such as the Darth Maul battle I think would look bad.

Oh and here are some pics I have not see around before.

http://www.yodawars.com/kneel.jpg

http://www.yodawars.com/tip.jpg

http://www.yodawars.com/ep2fatcows.jpg

http://www.sithclan.net/episode2/yoda-hangar.jpg

http://www.thescifi.com/badassjedi/ep2/pics/Yoda/img/11.jpg


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Well I found a great cache of photos from ep2, major spoilers, but fantastic pics.

So if you are into it go check them out.

http://www.thescifi.com/badassjedi/ep2/pics


Out...............................

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[ak]

That final pic of Yoda you've got there was one I was trying to describe to people a month or two ago - Lucasfilm deleted it from the internet before anyone had a chance to see it, after I'd posted it. It's obviously on the net again now, though. Damn good picture, I love the look on his face.

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[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
That final pic of Yoda you've got there was one I was trying to describe to people a month or two ago - Lucasfilm deleted it from the internet before anyone had a chance to see it, after I'd posted it. It's obviously on the net again now, though. Damn good picture, I love the look on his face.

[This message has been edited by ak (edited 04-28-2002).]</font>

Yup there are tons of pics on the badassjedi site so go check them out, some major spoilers and things most will not know if you have not dug a bit into the script.

I am getting slightly more jazzed about this flick but I am trying to hold off the hype.

I am not sure how long these pics will be on the site as I found a couple other sites that had been shut down by GL.


We shall see.

Out.........................

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[APzombie]

that last picture of Yoda looks cool, not saying it looks like the Yoda from Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, but it coes look comical, if yoda was cgi like that in episode V and VI, than i wouln't have a problom, or vice versa (yoda being a puppet in episode 1-3). But they just completley changed the look and it's hard not to be distracted from it.

[APzombie]

the more i look at the new yoda the more i grow to him, he looks very slick (not exactly real, but cool), though i don't know how his movement will be like, but this pic makes him look identical to the envirement.

http://www.thescifi.com/badassjedi/ep2/pics/Yoda/img/10.jpg
Yoda teaching kids the jedi trick that Ben tought Luke in A New Hope

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[APzombie]

*****LITTLE SOILERS*****
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this photo of Yoda teaching kids what Ben taught Luke in a New Hope hit me, Yoda looks identical to the suroundingg but i still have to dsay that the new Yoda has a comical feel (esspecialy with his movement).

http://www.thescifi.com/badassjedi/ep2/pics/Yoda/img/10.jpg

By the way, Sammy never looked as bad ass in his jedi gear and purple lightsaber since Pulp Fiction!

http://www.thescifi.com/badassjedi/ep2/pics/Mace/102.jpg
My new favorite Jedi!

I think this film will be waaaaay better than Phantom Menace, i hope it goes up there with the first 3~!

[ak]

I know that the under-whelming film that was The Phantom Menace will not have any kind of effect of my experience with Attack Of The Clones.
I wasn't even a fan of Star Wars when TPM came out, so this changes my perspective completely. I'll go into AOTC like I would any other film.
Of course, once I've seen it and had time to digest it, then I shall look at it as a part of a series, and analyze it from there, to see how well it fits, and to make comparisons, etc.

By the way - The way that Yoda looks now is always how I wanted him to look, so I think it's brilliant.

P.S - When I say I wasn't a fan, I still thoroughly enjoyed the films, but got caught up in the Star Wars "universe" after TPM (a few months after it), and The Empire Strikes Back is now my personal favourite film of all time (has been for some time).

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[Common Sense Man]

I have to agree ak I think Yoda looks great. That is why I am a little afraid of how he will interact when he fights someone.

Even though he is younger I still see him as the venerable teacher/master not the down and dirty fighter.

In my mind he would not need to go hand to hand but simply dispatch his opponents with a wave of his hand.

So if he goes action hero on me he will loose that old venerable feel.

Sort of like if grasshoppers Master in Kung Fu went all wiggy on someone and kicked his ass instead of simply using one finger on a pressure point and disabling him.

http://www.toshistation.com/images/ninjanien.jpg

It is not so much that I do not think Yoda can fight but that it would be outside his quiet zen like persona. He could overcome without the flare as he has attained mastery of the Force. At least that is my view.

But I think the new look is good and it gives him so many more possiblities to interact with everyone else now as he can have more detailed expressions.

http://indigo.ie/~owenc/starwars/images/yoda.gif Out.........................

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[FLATLiNE]

Hey everyone,

All I'd like to know is when tickets become available for purchase for Star Wars Ep. II.

And also, do they become available at the theater box office, 777-FILM and moviefone.com all at the same time?

Thanks,

FLATLiNE

P.S. I would look myself but I'm trying to block out all ATOC talk before seeing it (and I don't want to run across some great big spoiler)&gt;

[ak]

Yoda, from my knowledge uses the Force a lot during the fight, but mostly relies on his un-matchable skills with the Lightsabre and complete balance throughout.

Spoilers: In one part of the fight, Dooku comes at him with all his force, but Yoda doesn't move - He merely waves his Lightsabre, then Yoda advances and starts kicking the shit out of Dooku. Near the end of the fight Yoda jumps on Dooku's shoulders ready to stab his Lightsabre into his head, but Dooku quickly knocks Yoda off and escapes, using the Force to bring a hangar crane down on Obi Wan and Anakin. Yoda uses all his strength to hold it whilst they crawl from underneath it......

Amongst all the credit that ILM should get for bringing Yoda to life in the fight sequence, is the sheer logistics behind it. It's mind boggling how difficult it must have been. I mean, no animator in ILM is a trained martial arts expert, so they must have been working really closely with Nick Gillard (stunt co-ordinator), examining live performance footage and then translating that through Yoda.

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[ANTBond007]

Just in case anybody needs to know anything, I do have the Attack of the Clones novel, so if there are any questions, just ask.

[Common Sense Man]

Well ak I do not know how much you can manipulate Yoda to make him appear to be using martial arts moves.

His is very compact with short arms and legs and we have yet to see any body other than his feet and hands and head.

So I do not anticipate seeing any "moves" like you would see from a human martial artist as he simply does not have the appendages to do the movements.

Spinning, and flipping and crouching yes but doing all the posing martial art type movies I cannot see, but again I will have to wait until the movie comes out.

The fact that it is not a one on one battle makes it more believable for me as it will not focus totally on him.

I think the cgi will kick some ass but how he moves is still a concern for me, as even in TPM we saw little movement and it was slow and with his cane.

But I'm all for my man Yoda kicking some ass as long as he doesn't look like a Gremlin on crack.

http://www.fenomeno.trix.net/images/fenomeno-gremlins.jpg Out........................

[Americana]

A Gremlin on crack!!!!! Why if Master Yoda were here right now he'd bust a cap in yo ass, Jedi Style!

Dues that was both funny a rude at the same time. Common Sense Man, you da man. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[dellamorte dellamore]

Can't believe i'm saying this,but after checking out some of the newer trailers,i'm actually looking foward to this,even after i said the franchise is dead as a result of Phantom(i can't even type the words).


And the guy who plays Anakin/Darth seems as though he's going to be one of the strong points of the films,besides what looks like some truly exciting action scenes,at least the battle scenes.


Maybe Georgie Boy can redeem himself,if he would only drop those annoying CGI sidekicks and residual "characters,and tone down the hokiness level a bit,it would be perfect.Oh no,i'm getting the fever again.


later

[noisy_brut]

Did anybody see Episode V last Thursday on FOX? I finally saw a tape of it and they showed new footage of the Obi Wan/Jango Fett/Boba Fett fight. Great stuff.

[ak]

Quote, originally by Common Sense Man:
"The fact that it is not a one on one battle makes it more believable for me as it will not focus totally on him."

But it is a one-on-one battle. Just Yoda and Count Dooku.

Plus - I don't think you seem to realise how much martial arts Yoda will be using in the film. Even holding the Lightsabre and the moving of it is a complex series of martial arts.

[Common Sense Man]

Well ak I will just have to wait and see I hope it kicks ass.

On a side note I just downloaded all the commercials and I must admit some of them have some fantastic stuff, others are a little boring but some of the visuals where great.

And we now know that it was Mace Windu and the other Jedi from the council that where in the cloone trooper ship, and they are holding the mysteriously appearing lightsabers that I talked about over at the Annex (http://commonsenseman.netfirms.com)

I must admit I am starting to loose the battle against the hype machine.

But on the other hand the movie is only two weeks away, last time I was chomping at the bit months in advance.

If George can pull a good showing off with AOTC I think EPIII will be able to generate the extreme hype that TPM did.

Okay off to do some work on the Annex (http://commonsenseman.netfirms.com)

Out..................


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[ak]

I'm not sure where I read this. I think it was either at TheForce.net or Theonering.net, but in an interview with Christopher Lee, the interviewer basically mentioned that Lucas wasn't looking forward to making Episode III. I haven't a clue what this guy was basing his accusations on, or why he said it, but I've not heard anything about this before.

Why would Lucas not look forward to it? It'll be, by far, the most dramatic Star Wars film, and the darkest.

It's probably just some rumour fluff that means absolutely nothing at all.

[Common Sense Man]

Ya that is strange? Probably something taken out of context.

Well I have updated the Annex (http://commonsenseman.netfirms.com) with my new discoveries about the Jedi in the Clone Trooper Gunship.

Plus do you know that Mace has an Electrum plated lightsaber! I guess he want's his peeps to know he is the man, you can see it at the Annex (http://commonsenseman.netfirms.com) also under Mace Windu:JBA

I wonder if George did this as there has always been much speculation over the composition and construction of lightsabers, and now we seem to know for sure that some are crystal and others are electrum.

But does that mean the guts are different, who knows that is getting way to geeky for me to worry about.

Out..................

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[ColinM]

I remember George Lucas used to talk about how stressful it was making the original Star Wars movies. That didn't mean he didn't like making them, but there were probably many moments when he thought "Why me?" It's quite possible he's having the same thoughts now, although that doesn't mean he doesn't want to make the prequels or that it will affect the movies in any way.

And CSM is right, it probably was taken out of context a bit.

[Common Sense Man]

Yo people!

I was downloading the commercials for AOTC last night and I came across a great find.

A trailer done by The Phantom Editor. It was great. It is set to the music duel of the fates and it is about 4 and a half minutes long.

It is of course using the exsisting footage from all the other trailers but the way he edited it is great.

There are actaully some scenes that look semi complete! Such as the Jango Fett/Obi fight and the chase thru the asteroid field.

Not just 2 seconds of stuff but a good 5 to 10 seconds of the scene has been spliced together from all the trailers.

If you have Kazaa I suggest you look for it now! My version was called AOTC trailers reedit.

Okay I just watched it again and it was great, several shots of Yoda walking, another shot of Jar Jar, ugh!

And some great shots of Dooku and Anikin fighting.

If you can go out and find it. It is very high quality also.

Also with all this talk of Yoda I have collected some pics of him in CGI mode and added them to the Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com) so come on over and check them out under the star wars section.

I must say the more I see of Yoda CGI the better I like him.

Out...............................

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[ak]

CMS - After reading through your "annex" (It is very good), about a certain Jedi badass, I thought I'd pass on this interesting information from this month's Empire magazine...

Basically, it's their Star Wars edition, full of stuff - Images, interviews, character profiles etc.
So....in an interview with Sam Jackson he talked a little about Mace's approach to fighting. He said that Mace would sooner sabre you in the back if he had the chance, and is quite an aggressive fighter. He's not a calm person on the battle field.

It's a really interesting read, and generally surprised me as I thought Jedi (especially the second greatest in line) were calm about fighting and tried to avoid as much violence as possible. Perhaps this streak will lead to his final un-doing....(In Episode III.

I'm really, really looking forward to seeing the very different styles of fighting that each Jedi has, especially those on the council, such as Ki Adi Mundi and Plo Koon.

Jedi Ki Adi Mundi (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kiadimundi/index_movie.html)

Jedi Plo Koon (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/plokoon/index_movie.html)

There's a Jedi (I think he's a Jedi) that goes by ther name of Kit Fisto also, but I can't find him in the character profiles at the official site.



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[Americana]

I know the picture is small but there he is. I think allot of people are looking forward to seeing this guy in action.

http://images.swmovies.net/zz_aotc_faq/kitfisto.jpg

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[Moviebuff_Mike]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Americana:
I know the picture is small but there he is. I think allot of people are looking forward to seeing this guy in action.

http://images.swmovies.net/zz_aotc_faq/kitfisto.jpg

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He kind of reminds me of that baby alien Will smith helped deliver from Men in Black

[Scorchlord]

That's 'cause its his uncle.

[Strider]

Hey yo,

I just finished reading the AOTC novel. Holy shit! The movie is going to kick ass! I don't think anybody is going to disappointed at all. It's gonna be a great movie! If the film is just as good as the book, then Attack of the Clones has a chance of being up there with "Empire" and "Jedi".

Strider

[Americana]

See! Now I'm even more hyped up for Attack of the Clones now. I can't wait to watch this movie, I tell ya I'm sooo ready for this movie and I know it's gonna make it up there with Empire and Jedi.

[mrsfuz]

I am going out of my mind waiting for the 16th! I have tried very hard to not read spoilers...but the dark side is calling.....

[ak]

I was slightly pissed off today.

Like a lot of people, I listen to all my music through my computer, I've a great sound card and speaker/sub-woofer system, so you can imagine my great disappointment at seeing the soundtrack for Attack Of The Clones on a shelf at my local music shop with the label "Cannot be played on PC or MAC". Shit.
On the bright side, I've got four CD quality tracks from the album on my computer since they made an appearance on AudioGalaxy.com. They're the best ones too, apparently.

I think this is just another step in dis-allowing people from making illegal copies of albums etc.

Added Note: Has anyone else seen this? It's actually printed as part of the CD, so it's probably on all of them.

[twisted mind]

I think AOTC is gonna rock- the scripts awesome, the visuals stunning, the soundtack memorable as always. I was worried that it couldn't be as good as LOTR. All the evidence points to the opposite. I'm sure it'll be busy here after the release and being in the UK i believe i will see it 12hrs b4 THE U.S.? i'll be here for the chat and the speculation on Episode 3

[Americana]

Lucky prick. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Shaddiz]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
I was slightly pissed off today.

Like a lot of people, I listen to all my music through my computer, I've a great sound card and speaker/sub-woofer system, so you can imagine my great disappointment at seeing the soundtrack for Attack Of The Clones on a shelf at my local music shop with the label "Cannot be played on PC or MAC". Shit.
On the bright side, I've got four CD quality tracks from the album on my computer since they made an appearance on AudioGalaxy.com. They're the best ones too, apparently.

I think this is just another step in dis-allowing people from making illegal copies of albums etc.

Added Note: Has anyone else seen this? It's actually printed as part of the CD, so it's probably on all of them.</font>

I probably shouldn't be saying this, but I've got the album in superb quality(300-520 kbites/s. the songs you downloaded from AudioGalaxy are probably something around 128kbites/s). I can share them with you if you wish..



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[APzombie]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
I was slightly pissed off today.

Like a lot of people, I listen to all my music through my computer, I've a great sound card and speaker/sub-woofer system, so you can imagine my great disappointment at seeing the soundtrack for Attack Of The Clones on a shelf at my local music shop with the label "Cannot be played on PC or MAC". Shit.
On the bright side, I've got four CD quality tracks from the album on my computer since they made an appearance on AudioGalaxy.com. They're the best ones too, apparently.

I think this is just another step in dis-allowing people from making illegal copies of albums etc.

Added Note: Has anyone else seen this? It's actually printed as part of the CD, so it's probably on all of them.</font>

Your right, everyone is very up tight and strict with this soundtrack. I went to Wal*Mart today to pick it up (cause at Wal*Mart you get a free screensaver in it or somthing) before i bought it i decided to use their scan listening thing (were you scan the cd and listen to a preivew rack) and on the screen it said "Frobiden". What the heck!?!? Oh well.

[Common Sense Man]

Hey all, yes the whole cd thing really pisses me off, Celine Dion was the first to relase her new album like that, it actually crashes pc's if you put it in a cdrom drive.

Sometimes it will not even allow the disk to be ejected. It is the wave of the future.

The disks have small errors in them that the lower quality cdrom drives detect and make them impossible to read. But I also have heard that if you have a very high quality CD player that they will detect the errors also.

But as one person said, give me a 8 dollar cable from radio shack and I will hook my stereo into my audio card on my computer, problem solved!

I have no fear that no matter how tight the restrictions become someone will still by pass them and get them onto the net, the genie is out of the bottle, the only way to get it back is to destroy the Internet.

Okay on an AOTC note I have added some new pages concerning the Fetts to the Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com)

I had to move my site last night due to extreme popluarity! Damn exceeded my bandwith allocation, those bastards!

So I am sorry about the pop under ads but if you have a pop up killer it should be no problem.

If anyone knows of a free host that is good let me know.

Out.....................

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[ak]

It's a strange affair really. I bet there's a lot of people who were going to buy it, yet couldn't.
Due to the popularity of PCs, I'm sure they've lossed a considerable amount on sales. Although, I'm not up to scratch on sale figures. Will they be better off, due to the fact that not as many people will be copying the album?
I'm one person who was going to buy it, but they've lost my money.

Quote: Originally by Scorchlord:
"That's 'cause its his uncle".

Were you joking when you said that? There was no smiley in your post to indicate otherwise.
Obviously, it's a silly thing for me to ask, but Lucas and Sonnenfeld might be friends, and linked them somehow as an "in-joke".


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[APzombie]

speaking of "in-joke things", since Speilberg used a couple of big Star Wars refrences in E.T., and how Lucas returned the favor in the Phantom Menace (two scenes, one in the councuil the other a shadow of Eliot and E.T. on a bike on Tatoonie), I wouldent be surprised if E.T. or any other alien creature made a apperance.

http://www.episode-x.com/galleries/EpisodeII/chronological/Kamino/43.jpg
Till then...

[dh1989]

Will the female Yoda fight?

[scifikid]

That comment someone made about the plush toy earlier really cracked my up!

My expectations are maybe 85% which is pretty high. I kinda liked Episode 1, even though I found myslelf spacing off during it a couple of times. But any ways, I think the romance between Anakin and Padmee is kinda lame looking, I mean, how old is she and how old is he? they must be atleast 6 years apart and she knew him when he was 9! I just don't think that's right. Other wise that, it looks like Lucas learned from the last movies mistakes and really did a better job on this one. The trailer was incredible!

[Americana]

Are we going too overboard with this whole "bump" thing or what! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Common Sense Man]

Has anyone been over to www.starwars.com? (http://www.starwars.com?) they have put up new doorway pages, they are kind of neat. They have several different ones, but if you do not want to hit your refresh button all day trying to see each one come over to the Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com) I have them all there.

Also I did think that squidly guy did look like he could have been related to the baby from MIB that is kind of funny.

I am sure GL will put in some secret stuff as they always seem to do that kind of thing.

Like the Tennis Shoe in Return of the Jedi.

Out..........................

[noisy_brut]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
I was slightly pissed off today.

Like a lot of people, I listen to all my music through my computer, I've a great sound card and speaker/sub-woofer system, so you can imagine my great disappointment at seeing the soundtrack for Attack Of The Clones on a shelf at my local music shop with the label "Cannot be played on PC or MAC". Shit.
On the bright side, I've got four CD quality tracks from the album on my computer since they made an appearance on AudioGalaxy.com. They're the best ones too, apparently.

I think this is just another step in dis-allowing people from making illegal copies of albums etc.

Added Note: Has anyone else seen this? It's actually printed as part of the CD, so it's probably on all of them.</font>

I bought my Soundtrack at Best Buy. There was no "Cannot Play on a PC or MAC", and I've been listening to it on my PC every day since I bought it. I would never buy any CD or DVD from Wal Mart as they take the extra effort to sell edited kid friendly versions of stuff.

[bskutle]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
I was slightly pissed off today.

Like a lot of people, I listen to all my music through my computer, I've a great sound card and speaker/sub-woofer system, so you can imagine my great disappointment at seeing the soundtrack for Attack Of The Clones on a shelf at my local music shop with the label "Cannot be played on PC or MAC". Shit.
On the bright side, I've got four CD quality tracks from the album on my computer since they made an appearance on AudioGalaxy.com. They're the best ones too, apparently.

I think this is just another step in dis-allowing people from making illegal copies of albums etc.

Added Note: Has anyone else seen this? It's actually printed as part of the CD, so it's probably on all of them.</font>

Hmmm, that's funny. I bought the soundtrack last week, and have been able to listen to it on both mine and my father's PCs several times, and haven't had either crash on me. Maybe that's just a deterrant/spook story for potential piraters.

[bmain77]

In case you were wondering....

In general movie stuff someone posted asking about when tickets go on sale. Someone else posted today. I started to panic then called some local theaters. It looks as though they could go on sale tomorrow at the earliest. Nothing has been confirmed though. Two of the theaters said it'd be likely early next week, but could possibly be tomorrow.

[cutman]

I too bought the soundtrack, and it plays fine on my Mac. I put the CD, and iTunes started right up. No problems at all.

[Scorchlord]

The soundtrack works fine on my computer. The content of the soundtrack, though...

[cutman]

Scorchlord,

Are you saying that you don't like the soundtrack that much? If so, I agree with you.

The only track that I really like is number 2...everything else is completely forgettable. I bought the soundtrack because of all the hype I read about on this thread, but I have been disappointed. Maybe it will grow on me...

cutman

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
Maybe that's just a deterrant/spook story for potential piraters.</font>

Nope as I said above Celine Dion's Sony release was the first advertised album to feature this protection and you can bet it will be on all albums soon unless there is a public cry of outrage.

There has also been speculation that is has been tested secretly on other albums without any tags or labels, now that might be paranoia but the rest is fact.

Out................

[ak]

Can someone please give me the address of the parody Flash animations site of the Star Wars films, if there is a site, and if you actually have any clue of what I'm on about.

I think it's called Star Dudes or something....

Edited note: I just found it through a search engine...no worries...

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[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
Can someone please give me the address of the parody Flash animations site of the Star Wars films, if there is a site, and if you actually have any clue of what I'm on about.

I think it's called Star Dudes or something....</font>

ak all you have to do is ask!

Come over to The Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com) to get your own copy of Star Dudes or to simply watch it.

It is under the Star Wars section of course.

Out........................

[Scorchlord]

That's what I'm saying, cutman. I heard the great reviews, ran out and bought it, plugged it in, and waited for something memorable.

I only like Beyond the Stars and Zam the Assassin. Everything else is a mash of staccato notes and syncopated rhythms, without any themes. It's pretty weak.

[Common Sense Man]

Hey ak well it seems like out posts got crossed, but I also have a bunch of new AOTC pics uploaded to The Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com)

Some great new shots that I have never seen before, especially of the Clone Troopers fighting and there are a couple new ones of Mace and Yoda, and the Jedi Library.

It is getting closer and things are starting to heat up!

Out................

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[APzombie]

I have to say Common Sense Man, keep up the great job on your site! I love going to it, its very cool!

Oh, i think every song in the soundtrack is magnificent, John William is great, plus maybee you'll like them better when you know how the scene goes along with it after you see the movie.

[APzombie]

one thing has been bugging me latley, the more i think about it, the more it gets on my nerve. There are photos of the bar scene with 3 big screen T.V.'s, each has a "space sport channel" including pod racing and robot soccer (or somthing like that). Another is a photo of the currecant, and there are space movie posters on one building... here are Common Sence Man's links, (photos are too big for forum)

http://csm.koolhost.com/pictures/ep2/pages/aotcpics0044.htm

http://csm.koolhost.com/pictures/ep2/pages/aotcpics0045.htm

Is it just me, or does this seem like somthing that belongs in Spaceballs rather than a Star Wars movie!!!

[ak]

Well, I was completely bored this evening, so I went over to the official site and downloaded all the T.V spots. Some very impressive new footage, including that of the Clone Troopers in full-on gun-blazing battle (never before seen). Stunning.

APzombie - I think those images look great, and they're definately nothing to get concerned about even if you don't like the look of them, cause they're just minor background props.
I actually really like them, especially the first with Zam walking by - Reminds me of Blade Runner - Showing the seedy side of Coruscant.

[Common Sense Man]

Ya that does seem kind of strange, a little pop culture.

But you can think of it this way also this is the first time we get to be in a big city.

In all the previous episodes we where in backwater towns or in space, or on Dagobah or Hoth, no nightlife there.

And in EPI we only made a pit stop in Corasant.

This time I think we are going to get some going out on the town or investigative work in the bowels of Corasant not just skimming above it in a speeder.

But yes this is out of the realm of normal star wars stuff, so it will be interesting to see how it fits.

Oh and by the way I have gone INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am now uplaoding 160 Update 220! Episode II pics to The Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com)!

Well I think the fever has finally got me. I am telling myself it is becaues I am home sick today so I have nothing esle to do but that is a lie! I'm a freak!

Okay give the pics a bit to load I increased the thumbnail size so you can see them a bit easier.

Many I have never seen before such as new aliens Dooku using lightning!

I may put that one on the gallery home page as it Rocks!

Out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ak I agree the Clone Troopers in action during the blasting sand storm was amazing. I really think that will be a fantastic part of AOTC.



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[Americana]

Okay, I just had the mother of all thought's inside my head and I wanted to know what you guys would think about it.

Okay, think Past vs. Future here now. Lets say Jango Fett from episode II was to cross paths with Boba Fett from Empire Strikes Back and they didn't have a what you'd say good run in with each other... The Fight begins! Who will Win?!?!

So okay I'm bored and lonely, give me a brake. So who would you bet on???

[sleekproductions]

Tickets Go On Sale Today, Friday May 3!

[APzombie]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Americana:
Okay, I just had the mother of all thought's inside my head and I wanted to know what you guys would think about it.

Okay, think Past vs. Future here now. Lets say Jango Fett from episode II was to cross paths with Boba Fett from Empire Strikes Back and they didn't have a what you'd say good run in with each other... The Fight begins! Who will Win?!?!

So okay I'm bored and lonely, give me a brake. So who would you bet on???</font>

Havent seen Attack of the Clones yet, so i don't know how tuff Janjo is. Boba Fett was always be the Star Wars bad boy to me http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

http://csm.koolhost.com/assets/images/boba-stand.jpg

[noisy_brut]

Aren't they advertising the footage being shown before the Thursday moview on Fox as never before seen footage? The footage they showed last night before Return of the Jedi is the same as what they showed on ET when they were announcing the Sountrack release.

[ak]

Something i'm rather confused about: Spoilers

Ok....So the Clone Troopers are clones of Jango Fett. I think i'm right in thinking that...?

So...Both Obi Wan and Mace Windu have hell of a hard time killing the guy, so how come all the clones aren't this hard to kill?

Another thing: How the hell do they become the pathetic toy soldiers otherwise known as Storm Troopers. They can't shoot for shite.

[BitchTits]

The first reviews for EP2 are up on AICN. And they're pretty damn positive.

[Common Sense Man]

Well ak I am not sure if that is true, that they are all Jango, they may be but it does not matter to my answer to your question.

According to my reasoning the clones would never be as good as Jango as they would not have his life experience. They may have knowledge and basic fighting skills and maybe advanced fighting skills but Jango has lived.

And he has become the badest bounty hunter due to that simply fact experience.

I have no idea how long it takes to bake a clone according to GL, obviously they are kids at one point as it shows them learning but do they grow at an accelerated rate, who knows.

But I think it all boils down to life experience.

If you could clone yourself as you are right now it still would not be as good as you as it would have none of your life experience.

So that is what I think anyway. But in this atmosphere of cloning it will be interesting to see what GL puts forth.

And as far as the later Storm Troopers being dorks maybe they lost the cloning technology or are only able to duplicate low quality clones.

According to some of the books the ability to clone was lost or hidden from all but a few so maybe that is why.

But was it ever really established that Storm Troopers are clones?

I know everyone always speculated about it because they mentioned the Clone Wars in Star Wars, but have they ever come out anywhere and stated it flatly that they are Clones. I mean it is logical to think so but I have never seen it in black and white.

Out.........................

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[Scarface98.9]

I read the novelization a few days ago, so I know just about everything about the storyline of Episode 2. u can ask me whatever questions u want. and BTW, there's a great Death Star reference near the end

[ak]

Thanks, CSM, good points!

After reading the several reviews over at AICN, I honestly cannot wait to see that Yoda/Dooku battle. It, quite frankly, sounds astonishing.

[APzombie]

Your not kidding ak, I read 3 reviews and im ready to put on my coat and wait outside the theater, to o bad i have school...

[Americana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sleekproductions:
Tickets Go On Sale Today, Friday May 3!</font>

Not for me. Down here the Tickets don't go on sale till four fucking days before it starts. Meaning I can't by the tickets till two Mondays from today. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[Common Sense Man]

Hey ak have you heard about this?

This was an article from TF.n that talks about the Yoda fight scene. I guess you are not the only one that thinks it will kick ass, and it looks like we all may get a glimpse of ole Yodster in action soon.

Here is the article.

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Jim Ward took the stage during the opening ceremonies just an hour ago and talked a bit about Episode II's competition, Spider-Man. The moment was interesting as he said he had a new trailer to combat the new marketing campaign for the sure fire summer hit opening today. He asked if we wanted to see the trailer and the crowd of 3,000 roared. 90% of Ward honestly believed what he said in the press recently about the competition, but 10% wanted to just say screw 'em.
In a 30-second parody of Spider-Man, they showed the real summer action hero: Yoda. That's right, 3,000 people have seen Yoda fight, and all set to the music, font and pacing of the latest Spider-Man trailer. Absolutely stunning!! And amidst choruses of "play it again" I think have to admit it was a major success. Yoda jumping, spinning, swinging, slashing all over.

---------------

Oh and I stumbled upon this, is this really what Yoda's lightsaber will look like?

http://www.lightsaberreplicas.com/images/YodaSaber.gif

Out.......................

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[ColinM]

I don't think I've asked this yet...

Are there any spoilers in the Track Titles of the AOTC soundtrack? I haven't bought it yet because I'm worried about that. Last time for TPM I saw the track title "Qui-Gon's Funeral" before I saw the movie and was very pissed off. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/mad.gif

[ak]

ColinM - You have little to worry about. There are no spoilers like that. The tracks this time round just indicate the part of the film they're from.

Interesting article CSM, will it appear online do you think? I do hope.....

CMS - I was just visiting your Annex, which gave an address to re-direct, but the site won't open..it just takes me to a kind of search engine type thing....?

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[Common Sense Man]

ya ak

Those bastards took down my new site!

I think it may have been because of the Jennifer Connelly pics so I will be deleting that page and uploading my site again tonight.

Man I am getting so pissed with these free sites. I may have to end up purchasing some space, damn!

So patience and this afternoon I will have the Annex back on line at http://csm.koolhost.com

Sorry, Out........................

[Americana]

Hey guys, I kinda need some help with finding a wallpaper website that I forgot the link to. Anyways, I think the website is something like Battlepaper.com or something close to it. I tried a lot or diffrent names but I just couldn't find it. Fuck I had to buy a new computer did I. See my old Computer had it under Favorites but it broke down so I can't even get it if I wanted to. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif :'(

So if you know I'd so thankful. In fact I think I might have e mailed that link to JoBlo so he could add it to his really really low collection Star Wars: Episode I & II Wallpapers. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Americana]

So... Nobody has answered me yet on who they thought was the baddest ass out there. And if they fought who would win????



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[Common Sense Man]

Whew! well The Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com) is back on-line and hopefully all the bugs are worked out now.

You must come over and check out ak's new Fan Art contribution under the Fan Art-Star Wars section, it is fantastic!

And ak it is your second image that I posted.

Out................

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[Shaddiz]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Common Sense Man:
Whew! well The Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com) is back on-line and hopefully all the bugs are worked out now.</font>

Unfortunalety, they aren't. When i try to enter your site i get redirected to http://www.freewebsites.com/error_lang.html, which reads:
"We do not host non english speaking sites"

Your site is in english, right ? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[ak]

Thanks for putting it up with the note, CSM. My images are a tad big aren't they? When making things to go on the web, I'm meant to scan them in at 72 resolution, but I find I can get a far better resolution with a larger image size.
I'm also surprised how different things look when viewed on the web. The percentage tint of purple I added to Anakin was very little when it appeared on my computer, but up on your site it is quite prominent.

Also - I'm sorry if the "Star Wars" text is a little off centre, I must have been half asleep! My fault!

I must note that I didn't just make the poster on a whim - I've been waiting quite patiently for a decent image to use for this idea.
It's a progression of the first teaser poster for Episode I, showing the shadow of Vader behind Anakin. This time, obviously, we're getting closer to Anakin's demise - Everything's getting darker. This is what I intended to represent in the poster.

I've got a really good idea for an Episode III teaser poster, but you'll have to wait for that!

P.S - Just found this poster by a fan over at TheForce.net. Most of them are particularly rubbish, but this one is very nice (if a little low in image quality - i.e - it's a little pixelated and the colours are off)...

Fan poster (http://www.theforce.net/museum/images/Prequels/Episode_2/Posters/as-geonosisnight.jpg)



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[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shaddiz:
Unfortunalety, they aren't. When i try to enter your site i get redirected to http://www.freewebsites.com/error_lang.html, which reads:
"We do not host non english speaking sites"

Your site is in english, right ? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

</font>

Well that is weird as my site is up!

Simply click here The Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com)

All I can think is that since you are overseas maybe it is getting confused somehow, it is a free server. But I would try again as it may have been simply a glitch.

The web address is http://csm.koolhost.com update your bookmarks people!

I have added more EPII pics that brings the grand total to over 260 in one place!

And ak I think your poster looks great on my monitor. And I am going to be working on some graphics today so I will let you all know when I put it up.

I must admit I am getting jazzed about AOTC but I am trying to stay away from reviews as I have already spoilered myself enough and it is close enough to simply wait it out now.

Hell a damn lego commercial had major spoilers in it! At least to my mind. Damn Lego!

Again thanks for all your patience about The Annex.

Out..................

Oh and Americana I did not mean to ignore your question but I have been freaking about my site the last few days.

But in my opinion Jango would win as he is Boba's Father and eventhough he taught him how to be a Bounty Hunter you never teach someone all your tricks, that way if you ever have to fight them you have the upper hand.

Out again...................



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[Shaddiz]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Common Sense Man:
Well that is weird as my site is up!

Simply click here The Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com)

All I can think is that since you are overseas maybe it is getting confused somehow, it is a free server. But I would try again as it may have been simply a glitch.

The web address is http://csm.koolhost.com update your bookmarks people!</font>

I'm still getting that stupid error! Stupid koolhost.com! grr http://www.joblo.com/ubb/mad.gif

Oh, and btw, you said earlier that if someone knew of a better free host he should let you know!

www.crosswinds.net (http://www.crosswinds.net), i dont know if it's better than that koolsite stuff, as i dont know what it has to offer, but here's the stuff you get when you sign up for a free crosswinds account!

"Free
Unlimited WebSpace, Web Based Email
Popups, $1 Premium Referral Reward"

EDIT: oh, and for those of you who do not visit the thread in current movie talk i'm seeing the movie on the 9th of May(only 4 days left!) at a special screening(the first one in my country http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif ) and i'll try to write a short-review, and answer all questions you may have about the film here!

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[Shaddiz]

hey everybody! found a cool image at TFN!:P:

http://theforce.net/episode2/newspics/boxofficewar.jpg

hehe.. made me laugh http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Americana]

That picture just mead me laugh my ass off dude. Cool pic!

[ak]

CSM - When you say the Lego advert had spoilers in it, what were they? If you don't mind indulging....It's not that I purposely want to spoil things for myself (how can I, I've read just about everything), but I'm more curious as to what can be spoiled in a commercial of that nature.

[Moviebuff_Mike]

Hey Common Sense Man! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif This is JediMike393 from countingdown.com I saw your thank you note to me, hey man no problem! glad to be of service. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
CSM - When you say the Lego advert had spoilers in it, what were they? If you don't mind indulging....It's not that I purposely want to spoil things for myself (how can I, I've read just about everything), but I'm more curious as to what can be spoiled in a commercial of that nature.</font>

Well as you know I work at FOX/UPN so I see tons of commercials and when I heard star wars music I naturally looked at the screen.

It was a Lego commercial for various different characters.

But then it went into spoiler overload.

It would say something like.

Get your Obi Wan Jedi Fighter then it would show Obi's fighter, what I originally thought was an A-Wing. But then the narrator would continue, saying some such thing like.

Fighting for his life he must transform his ship to escape or some pap like that. And then the two front pieces of his ship came off! and it was a totally different looking ship. It is almost like the two halves of the A seperated leaving just the cockpit and the engine. I was like what!

http://www.jedinet.com/prequels/news/newsimages25/jedifighter.jpg

I am not describing it well but I was pissed as that will take everyone by suprise I am sure if it does actually happen in the film.

But then they continued with each character and they did the same thing, they told about something that was going to happen to him in the movie and what he would do about it.

I cannot remember the specifics about the other characters, maybe I have blotted it out already. (I used to put my hands on my ears and close my eyes and hum when trailers came on tv for movies I did not want to know about, my wife thought I was insane).

But I never expected a lego commercial to have so much info that I have not heard or seen anywhere else!

I am sure I will see it again and I will get back to you with the other stuff.

It was just very strange.

It would have been like watching an Empire Strikes Back commercial for a talking Darth Vader and when the kid pressed the button Darth said "Luke I am your father!"

Out...........................


Hey Moviebuff,

Ya thanks for the link I think that was why my site become so popular all of a sudden, everyone at countingdown was checking it out.

It went from about 50-60 hits a day to 200.

So now I have unlimited bandwidth.

I have posted a bit over there but the boards as slow, slow, slow. But I am sure I will check in from time to time.

Out............................

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[Moviebuff_Mike]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Common Sense Man:
Hey Moviebuff,

Ya thanks for the link I think that was why my site become so popular all of a sudden, everyone at countingdown was checking it out.

It went from about 50-60 hits a day to 200.

So now I have unlimited bandwidth.

I have posted a bit over there but the boards as slow, slow, slow. But I am sure I will check in from time to time.

Out............................

[This message has been edited by Common Sense Man (edited 05-05-2002).][/B]</font>

Hey Common Sense Man! Im glad your site got lot's of hits, in fact I think your site deserves it. It's cool! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/cool.gif

[noisy_brut]

I heard someone on the radio who had already seen the movie. They were asked to describe it and said: "Think Braveheart with Lightsabers"

[ak]

HOLY SHIT!!! HOLY SHIT!!!

I just visted AICN, and they had footage up of Yoda in action...The link is half way down the main page.

Let me just say this - Yoda could kill whoever he wanted to.

And the biggest surprise to me is this - Yoda's moves look so amazingly natural and real...you won't believe it!

[Americana]

HEY WAIT!!! IS IT JUST PICTURES OR IS IT VIDEO??? AHA SCREW IT I'M GONNA CHECK FOR MY SELF. BUH BYE!!!

[Americana]

oops, sorry


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[Americana]

Oh...My...God!!!!

That was short, but fucking amazing man. Yoda looked unbelieveable and amazing shit I can't wait now. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif



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[Common Sense Man]

Holy Fucking Shit Batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ak you da man!

That footage rocked eventhough it was very blurry.

And I am going to work on some screen caps right this god damn minute for The Annex.

You must look at this in Quick Time so you can go frame by frame!

Did you see how he drew his lightsaber! With the Force it was beyond cool!

Okay I could spout about this for hours but I have to go upload those caps, when I do I will give you the address.

And AICN is as slow as a cow so here is the direct link to where they have is stored.

http://homepage.mac.com/rickmccallum/.Movies/YodaTrailer.mov

Out-fucking-fan-tastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ak]

A little short and quick to be able to truly take much in, but I think that lays to rest my fears of Yoda in battle.

One thing I really cannot wait for: The reaction from the audience. I mean, many, many people have no clue about a large percent of the film, and will therefore have no clue about Yoda's battle, so when they see him enter that hangar, drop his walking stick and attain a battle pose....wow! I just love the way he uses the Force to grap his Lightsabre.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, I downloaded it, and it looked pretty cool. A little fuzzy, and off-centered to really get the jist of it (CGI-wise) but it was still pretty cool. Im not jizzing my pants over it, but im not really that big of a SW fan either. There was quite an audience reaction however. Does anyone know where that video was taken??

[ak]

I believe it was either at ShowWest or something like that, or Celebration II.

[Americana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
One thing I really cannot wait for: The reaction from the audience. I mean, many, many people have no clue about a large percent of the film, and will therefore have no clue about Yoda's battle, so when they see him enter that hangar, drop his walking stick and attain a battle pose....[b]wow! I just love the way he uses the Force to grap his Lightsabre.

</font>

I can't wait to see the reaction of the people in the theaters when I see it. People are gonna freak, cheer, scream and joy when he drops his stick pulls out his lightsabre. I know I will even though I'll already know what happens. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

http://perso.club-internet.fr/willow/SW_E2/E2_0086_2.jpg
Don't even think about fucking with me, kick your ass this jedi will...

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I think audience reaction (by this I mean the general audience) will be; that looks silly. Im sorry, but you all know that most will think this. Even though he looked badass, even I thought he looked kinda silly. But SW fans - there gonna shit, piss and jizz themselves all at once. I feel bad for the one who has to clean it up.

[Common Sense Man]

Wow it looks like they pulled it already, I am glad I got my copy!

But I am sure it will be up on Kazaa soon if not now.

I of course will have my thoughts and views on this over at the Annex most likely later tonight as I have something to do now, damn!

You really have to watch this frame by frame to see what is happening and it rocks!

Out...........................

[APzombie]

Punch me but this is kind of disapointing news, i'm still going to wait till i see it in the big screen to see Yoda at his best, but i think that alot of people would have been more in shock when they see him on the big screen first, it would have bought in more of a reaction... oh well....

[Americana]

QUICK I GOT ANOTHER LINK HERE!!!!!!!!

I don't know how long it'll be online so watch it fast okay. I found it over at Episode X so I came over as fast as I could. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

http://www.episode-x.com/episode2/files/YodaTrailer.mov

[Common Sense Man]

Well Yoda is in the house!

Come on over to The Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com) to check out Yoda and his moves from the bootleg Yoda Preview from Celbrations II.

I am having to expand The Annex but things should stay up while I do it, just collecting too much damn stuff.

But I think that the impact of Yoda will still be huge in the Theaters as the experience in the Theater will be so much different than watching a blurry bootleg.

But I loved the bootleg anyway!

Out........................

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[Sowen]

This sucks, my computer is taking forever to bring up Americana's yoda footage and my internet provider won't let me go to CSM's site. I go to a Christian University and have internet through them. I tried going to the site but it came up that there was adult content on the site and wouldn't allow me to go to it. I'm 24, and they're screening my internet!! I wanna see Yoda kick some butt!!I guess I'll have to wait for May 16th. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/redface.gif(

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sowen:
This sucks, my computer is taking forever to bring up Americana's yoda footage and my internet provider won't let me go to CSM's site. I go to a Christian University and have internet through them. I tried going to the site but it came up that there was adult content on the site and wouldn't allow me to go to it. I'm 24, and they're screening my internet!! I wanna see Yoda kick some butt!!I guess I'll have to wait for May 16th. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/redface.gif(</font>

That bites the big one man, I have some curse words on my site but that is about it for adult content, but who knows what security programs like that key off of.

If you can get access to Kazaa you can download it but you will probably have to go somewhere off campus for that.

If you want to e-mail me I can send you some stills as they are very small.

Out............................

[Common Sense Man]

And the hits just keep a comin!

Hey want to see more footage of Yoda throwing back Dooku's lightning? Footage not in the Yoda Preview?

Well your wish is granted.

Come over to The Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com) and go to the Yoda Preview section and there you will find an awesome little tidbit.

Out................................

[Shaddiz]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Common Sense Man:
And the hits just keep a comin!

Hey want to see more footage of Yoda throwing back Dooku's lightning? Footage not in the Yoda Preview?

Well your wish is granted.

Come over to The Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com) and go to the Yoda Preview section and there you will find an awesome little tidbit.

Out................................</font>

ARGH! this sucks http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif i cant visit your site.. stupid "We do not host non english speaking sites" message appearing all the time

can you please email these pics to me( Valdi@tal.is ) or something ? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[ak]

I didn't think Yoda looked silly at all, infact, that's why I was so blown-away by the footage. He looked like someone to match Neo, Morpheus, Li Mu Bai, Palpatine, Dooku and many more of the like, all at the same time!

My excitement levels for Episode II are at their peak now....I'm sure this will be the most entertaining piece of quality popcorn film we've seen in quite some time.

[JoBlo]

The Arrow and I just saw the movie. You can ask us any questions about it here: http://www.joblo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001192.html

[Americana]

JoBlo YOU LUCKY SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!


Why you have to go and screw up my day for huh!!! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Horror whore]

Common Sense Man- Your Yoda preview page has been removed.... I tried to find it and it's gone...