Who gives a shit about Episode 3?

[docholiday_13]

Saw Episode 2 yesterday. Blah. It sucked ass. I don't get why people hold out in anticipation for three years for a movie that will basically feature grade 10 drama writing and a bunch of charecters/vehicles whose only purpose is to sell toys . It became glaringly obvious that the motive for George Lucas expanding the original trilogy was to sell bedsheets and lunchboxes, Not to shed insight into Anakins past but to add another thousand acres to Skywalker Ranch. This movie could have been great. For the next three years I'll devote my attention to the Matrix and LOTR trilogys. The Wachowskis and Peter Jackson at least seem interested in creating a decent movie as well as a major blockbuster.

[Georges Mellies]

If you go into a movie expecting that you won't like...then you won't. simple as that. It's a movie. what were you expecting.

[docholiday_13]

Side note- I did want to like it.

[Georges Mellies]

well..the movie is directed at children you know. I don't think this is the type of movie you can attempt to rationalize like others. It's a movie. Now...please...explain in detail why you didn't like the movie.

[John Q. Public]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Georges Mellies:
well..the movie is directed at children you know.</font>

I don't think the "kids' movie" concept can be applied to the Star Wars prequels. A seven year old take in a plot covering no less than 4 planets, mysterious men in robes, and corruption within a government. I'm sorry, but a kids' movie cannot be that complicated. Lucas has this convoluted storyline, yet at the same time includes fart jokes, stupid puns, and creatures straight out of a videogame, and justifies their existence because the movies "are for children." It jsut doesn't work for me, that's all.

[Scrunch]

Actually I only got the basics of the original three as a kid. Obviously you pick up more as you get older. I bet most kids could explain the general plot of the prequels. They might have questions and that's cool. Let them ask questions. They might not pick up some things on their own but that doesn't mean anything. I know adults who didn't realize (SPOLIER)...
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That Senator Palpatine becomes the Emperor and has been Sideous in all the other movies so far. My nephew was close to getting this but when we were talking about it and corrected him from thinking Dooku might end up being the Emperor I could see it click in his mind. But I have seen adults not realize this point in the movie too.

[John Q. Public]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scrunch:
Actually I only got the basics of the original three as a kid. </font>

As did I. The original trilogy, though, does not have the convoluted plot of the prequels. You have (cracker farmboy) Luke Skywalker and the Rebellion versus his father and the Empire. Plain and simple.

OK, the plot for the prequels isn't truly that complicated, but the fashion in which Lucas lays it out makes it appear to be as such. All plot points are given in long winded sppeches by various characters. Lucas doesn't show us the story; he just has actors recite it in front of a blue screen.

[inglourious basterd]

The acting may be monotone, the dialogue may suck, and the fighting might be too unfocused (this may be because I saw it on a 60 ft screen); however, I enjoyed it for one reason: it completes the narrative aspect of this epic.

The only way to enjoy these new "Episodes" are if you take it in as such. From that perspective, I believe that it really does work. Anyone agree? disagree?

[James Logan]

I do give a shit. I liked EPISODE I, I loved EPISODE II, so I'll be there on opening day again for EPISODE III.

[bankholdup]

I can't wait for Episode III. I think it'll be one of the best ones yet. It'll be very dark, which is a change, so that should be good.

[Haddonfield]

I thought 2 was fantastic..i wasnt hurt by bad acting or dialog...i thought the FX were the best id ever seen (i did see it in digital) and i thought the story was riviting and the action was relentless...im not a huge SW fan but this one may have turned me over to the force http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif sure a bad joke...but hey, thats the best compliment i can give it....

[Narrator]

i care about episode 3, it for me since the new trilogy went into pre production promised 2 b th ebest out of the three films! anakin actually turing to the dark side! a mouth watering prospect...

[dh1989]

I give a shit about Episode III! The second film was a showcase of great special effects, good acting(the actors survived through Lucas' somewhat poor script, interesting storyline, cool creatures, and it perfectly captured the spirit of the trilogy. I think STAR WARS- EPSIODE III will be even better due to the sure to be amazing plot point of Anakin becoming Darth Vader. I am afraid you are quite wrong docholiday_13, I am sure many schmoes will "give a shit".

[The Arrow]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by James Logan:
I do give a shit. I liked EPISODE I, I loved EPISODE II, so I'll be there on opening day again for EPISODE III.</font>

AMEN TO THAT! I'm fucking there too with bells on! Maybe I'll be one those guys in line for weeks in front of the theatre dressed up as a Jawa and when that Conan O Brien sock puppet dog comes over to make fun of me, I'll snap the puppet's and the puppeter's necks like freaking twigs. I loved Episode 2 and am anxiously awaiting Episode 3.

[Scarface98.9]

doc, just cause u didn't like it doesn't mean other ppl will also hate it. when there's a movie they like and hear a sequel will be made, it's exciting (cept for a few)

[The Heart Collector]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by docholiday_13:
The Wachowskis and Peter Jackson at least seem interested in creating a decent movie as well as a major blockbuster.</font>


Dude, just because YOU didn't like AOTC doesn't mean George Lucas deliberately made a "bad" movie so that you'd hate him.

[docholiday_13]

YOU GUYS SUCK! Just kidding. I seem to have struck a nerve with the sensitive Star Wars fan base. You guys liked Episode 2 ? More power to you. It just seemed to lack the story and kick assedness of Empire Strikes Back. Thats my point. The two trilogys (LOTR & Matrix ) just seem much more special and worthy of attention. Thats all.

[BarryShaft]

Ah yes...lets praise the mediocre Lord Of The Rings film some more...

[adam_e19]

Cant wait for Episode III... I enjoyed Ep I... II just blew me away... and im sure that Ep III is gonna kick some serious ass... Hooray Lucas... You've spoilt us again... Now just don't Fuck up Indy 4... & may the force be with you!!!

[Georges Mellies]

Bravo for all the true fans. I'm so proud of you all. I don't personally think it's a kids movie. just telling you what lucas said to Connie Chung on cnn. of course...anything to get the hell out of there..

[MixMasterMoose]

Well stated docholiday. Someone else who feels exactly how I feel. I feel that when I go see "The Two Towers" I can expect acting that doesn't feel wooden. I don't understand how people can look past the dialogue (delivery), script and the acting. If this was any other film, it would tank. UNfortunately when you tag "Star Wars" on something it is immediately a great film. Sad. Lucas will never be the same in my eyes. I loved the original three but he just doesn't have it anymore.

[Americana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The Arrow:
AMEN TO THAT! I'm fucking there too with bells on! Maybe I'll be one those guys in line for weeks in front of the theatre dressed up as a Jawa and when that Conan O Brien sock puppet dog comes over to make fun of me, I'll snap the puppet's and the puppeter's necks like freaking twigs. I loved Episode 2 and am anxiously awaiting Episode 3.</font>

Why you son of a bitch. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif You took the words right out of my mouth. I was blown away just like a lot of other people who saw II and I'm just dying right now waiting for III to come out... Oh Lucas you bastard... Take away our pain and release it earlier. Please!!!

[TheRock]

I agree psudo, the only reason I think I enjoyed Episode II is because it completes the narrative. How anyone could look past the bad acting/writing/direction in AOTC is beyond me. Both Pearl Harbor and AOTC basically have the same strengths/weaknesses as movies, except one has Star Wars in the front of it. Both have great visuals, a good performance from a supporting actor(Voight as FDR, Yoda as Yoda), and a bad script/direction. IMO, Lucas has 1 shot left to show the world he still has it.

[Georges Mellies]

For those who sat in the theatre and analyzed every waking moment of the movie...get over it. it's just a movie. I'm sure I could pick out several things that I thought could be improved. but overall..I had no expectations upon entering the film. That is why I enjoyed it. films do not have to have such narrow parameters. The movie is meant to be fun. It isn't a john Cassevettes.

[bigred760]

I can't wait for Episode III. I've seen Ep. II three times already. I'm a big Star Wars fan (the movies, not the books, toys, lunchboxes, etc.).
I never saw how it became "glaringly obvious," whatever that means, that the movies were meant to make money. It's obvious that it'll make money, no matter how good or bad people think it is.

[BarryShaft]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MixMasterMoose:
Well stated docholiday. Someone else who feels exactly how I feel. I feel that when I go see "The Two Towers" I can expect acting that doesn't feel wooden. I don't understand how people can look past the dialogue (delivery), script and the acting. If this was any other film, it would tank. UNfortunately when you tag "Star Wars" on something it is immediately a great film. Sad. Lucas will never be the same in my eyes. I loved the original three but he just doesn't have it anymore.</font>

Some could say the same thing about tacking "Lord Of The Rings" on something...

[Muha]

Ah yes...lets praise the mediocre Lord Of The Rings film some more...

yeah i would glad to... at least it had great writing that didnt sound like a 12 year old wrote the script... i admit the actors would have been good if there was a good script to read, but honestly there were so many simple sentences in that script.

plus there were problems with AOTC besides the acting and writing... dont get me wrong tho. AOTC was decent, bad for star wars films, but still a good movie. LOTR:FOTR is a future classic and it is a masterpiece... waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than star wars.

[kubotakhan01]

ATTACK OF THE CLONES WAS AWESOME!!! I don't know what the naysayers expected it to be. Could any of them have made a better movie? I doubt it. This flick was my second favorite of the series, bested only by The Empire Strikes Back. LEAVE THIS MOVIE ALONE!!!

[Mr_Cheese]

I can't wait for Episode III.
I was giddy as a school girl for Episode II and I'm sure I'll be the same way for Episode III. People can hate it for whatever reason that they may but I loved it and that's the reason they make different movies because tastes are different and I like Star Wars, Some like LOTR and yet others like Dumb and Dumber... To each their own.

[MixMasterMoose]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BarryShaft:
Some could say the same thing about tacking "Lord Of The Rings" on something...

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Good Point, to an extent. Lord of Rings wouldn't make near the amount of money compared to the Star Wars tag on. The following Stars Wars has generated from the first three films (and rightfully so) is not comparable to three books/one film of LOTR. (IMHO) http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif. And I don't believe that the acting of AOTC or TPM comes close to the acting in LOTR.

[Terrell]

I feel that when I go see "The Two Towers" I can expect acting that doesn't feel wooden. I don't understand how people can look past the dialogue (delivery), script and the acting. If this was any other film, it would tank. UNfortunately when you tag "Star Wars" on something it is immediately a great film. Sad. Lucas will never be the same in my eyes. I loved the original three but he just doesn't have it anymore.

It truly it pathetic when the LOTR fanboys have to tear down Star Wars to elevate LOTR to the same level. Actually, it's quite laughable.

What I will get from TTT is probably the exact same thing I got with FOTR. A boring, 3 hour film. A film with not an ounce of character development. The characters are two dimensional and boring. Nothing more than throw away characters designed to move the ridiculously linear story along, that LOTr fans like to say is so full of depth. The film is also ridiculously monotonous, with one battle scene after another for 2 straight hours. Not to mention every battle looked like the one that came before. There's no variety in FOTR, and after hearing Helm's Deep last for 50 minutes, I expect another long-winded action film that repeats itself over and over and over and over. And for God's sake, enough of the shots of a wide-eyed Elijah Wood lookng like he's about to break down in tears every 5 minutes. FOTR was mediocre. Nothing more, nothing less.

So, as you see, you have your thoughts, I have mine. Quite frankly, I'll be glad when Star Wars is over so the whiners will have to find something else to moan about.

For the next three years I'll devote my attention to the Matrix and LOTR trilogys. The Wachowskis and Peter Jackson at least seem interested in creating a decent movie as well as a major blockbuster.

I think that statement shows everyone what your motive for bashing Star Wars.

[blankpage]

I think that Lucas has been busting our balls with the recent ones.Personally I love 'em.But when Episode III comes around he will show the stuff we wanted.It will hopefully be a more mature and darker Star Wars flick.Like the older classics.The subject matter is a tad dark,considering the other flicks.The fact that the Fall is in place could possibly be disturbing.

But the fact beging it's Lucas,he might make it a light sweet kind of Fall of the whole Jedi race.But if he is reading this thread,he might actually work his ass off.

I am hoping this will be one of the more darker Star Wars films.Maybe fall into place with The Empire Strikes Back.The special effects in the recent one's are great,but get in the way with the story.Maybe he can take them down a tad.But we'll have to wait.

Yes,I care about Episode III.I hope it falls into place and doesn't turn into a sappy piece of Soap Opera.I am a huge Star Wars fan,and await the arrival of the final placement.

[Common Sense Man]

Well after going thru the ringer with EPI and EPII I have decided to try and stay out of the hype-fest for EPIII.

If the record for the first two is anything to go by I am going to be sorely disappointed by EPIII.

We all sit around and speculate for months talk about what we hope is in the flick then are crushed when it sucks.

So it is not that I don't care about EPIII will I see it, sure, but I am going to try to stay out of the fray this time when it comes to overspeculation.

All it can do is disappoint me.

Some may say the third time is the charm or that he is really going to make this one dark and put in all the stuff we wanted in the past two, but I have to disagree.

So I am going to attempt to stay at arms length so maybe when I see the flick I will not be so upset.

Out........................

[APzombie]

It's rather a silly question, it's not like the millions of fans world wide don't give a shit. :rolleyes:

I'll be there oppening day along side the millions of fans and thousands of schmoes.

[dr.gorman]

I give a big shit about Episode III. If you hated Episode II because it had "bad acting" and you wanted to see Godfather like acting, simple, rent the Godfather. If you wanted to get a good romance (not saying the on in Ep II was bad, but its not one that will be remembered) see Casablanca, Gone With the Wind, or Love Story. If you want good, no no no excellent Scifi-Action entertainment then you see Star Wars. Now if you want to sleep for 3 hrs rent Lord of the Rings. Sorry couldn't help myself:D

[Jason Voorhees]

Guys, This is a little ridiculous: ''My LOTR is better than your Star Wars'', ''My Star Wars is better than your LOTR''; Can we all just accept that the films have flaws and leave it at that?

This thread is about Episode 3, not LOTR vs Star Wars. If you prefer one series then good, that's your opinion; Leave it at that. I don't want to hear why Star Wars is so much better than LOTR anymore than I want to hear how LOTR is so much better than Star Wars, It's a needless juxtaposition that only serves to get people angry.

Lets judge these films of their own individual merits, not juxtapose them to completely unrelated films.

[Terrell]

Now if you want to sleep for 3 hrs rent Lord of the Rings.

LOL! Sorry bout that. I agree. The Star Wars vs. LOTR is getting old. The only reason I put up my post was to respond to the fact that you can argue both ways. No film is perfect. If you don't like Star Wars, why waste your time posting a thread about it. Don't watch it. Don't buy the movie. Otherwise, move along and go talk about something you do like.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

...Terrell, you didn't happen to migrate here from the Home Theater Forum did you? I believe so. I remember reading the Countdown thread for Episode II, and being blasted by you, for having a negative opinion on the film. Well,....yes, just wanted to see if it was you or not (although I don't really doubt that it was). Oh, and for the record; I am not really anticipating Episode III. The first of these prequals was awful, and the second wasnt much better. In my opinion, of course. Oh, and correct me if I am wrong,...but isn't Attack of the Clones, and basically EVERY OTHER ACTION FILM, a series of action sequences, that are intertwined between other scenes, throughout the film? Yes,....yes, I thought so. As for arguing over which film series is better - I already know that answer, for myself. And so do a ton of others, who have realized that the name alone, does not excuse shitty acting, and horrible dialouge. But, like I said, that is for another discussion. One I would be more than glad to partake in.

[jeo4]

Originally posted by Jason Voorhees
Guys, This is a little ridiculous: ''My LOTR is better than your Star Wars'', ''My Star Wars is better than your LOTR''; Can we all just accept that the films have flaws and leave it at that?

This thread is about Episode 3, not LOTR vs Star Wars. If you prefer one series then good, that's your opinion; Leave it at that. I don't want to hear why Star Wars is so much better than LOTR anymore than I want to hear how LOTR is so much better than Star Wars, It's a needless juxtaposition that only serves to get people angry.

Lets judge these films of their own individual merits, not juxtapose them to completely unrelated films.

Damn right, Jason. I hate to bring up the obvious here, docholiday...but this is a Star Wars discussion forum, not a rant. I saw LOTR, and I own it. I also have been a STAR WARS Fan for as long as there's been a movie of the same name. I don't care to compare them. It's rude and outright obnoxious to come into a forum where you know SW fans will read first and start shit. If you don't like a film, take it to "Rant, Rant, Rant..." and stop pissing off fans just to start shit. As was mentioned here, films have flaws. Marlon Brando Wears his rolex in SUPERMAN, A BEAUTIFUL MIND wasn't an exact telling of John Nash's life, and there are flaws in STAR WARS and LORD OF THE RINGS. And YES, I will be there opening day, 2005 because I give a shit.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Episode III is gonna be great,.....for me to poop on. lol! Actually, yeah. I agree; I wanna see how this seires gets put out of its misery,....er,....ends, once and for all. Actually, all jokes aside, I have high hopes for Episode III. There looks to be alot of kick-ass stuff in it, and that makes for a kick-ass movie. Well,....in some cases.

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by jeo4
Damn right, Jason.

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Terrell]

I am not really anticipating Episode III. The first of these prequals was awful, and the second wasnt much better. In my opinion, of course. Oh, and correct me if I am wrong,...but isn't Attack of the Clones, and basically EVERY OTHER ACTION FILM, a series of action sequences, that are intertwined between other scenes, throughout the film? Yes,....yes, I thought so.

Then move along and talk about LOTR. Nobody, nor Lucas is holding a gun to your head and making care or even like Star Wars. Your intention is evident. It's seems to be to tear down Star Wars and piss on everyone's enjoyment of it, while praising every aspect of LOTR.

As for the action scenes, the action scenes in AOTC were nowhere near as monotonous as the ones in LOTR, nor did they drone on and one for 2+ hours. The ones in LOTR occured seemingly every 10 minutes, and all of them looked exactly like they were ripped out of Hercules: The Legendary Journeys TV show.;)

As for attacking you on HTF, if I remember correctly you were confronted because you thread farted. It's obvious your itention is not to discuss Star Wars. It's to take potshots at it.

Episode III is gonna be great,.....for me to poop on. lol! Actually, yeah. I agree; I wanna see how this seires gets put out of its misery

I rest my case. I would think if you truly didn't give a rat's ass about Star Wars, you wouldn't maste so much space on it. It's not you negative opinion I don't like. I can handle that. It's how you go about expressing it.


But, like I said, that is for another discussion. One I would be more than glad to partake in.

Thanks but no thanks. Not gonna waste my time discussing LOTR. :p

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

If you're gonna quote me, than don't take what I said out of context;

Episode III is gonna be great,.....for me to poop on. lol! Actually, yeah. I agree; I wanna see how this seires gets put out of its misery,....er,....ends, once and for all. Actually, all jokes aside, I have high hopes for Episode III. There looks to be alot of kick-ass stuff in it, and that makes for a kick-ass movie. Well,....in some cases.

And, now that that is out of the way, stop being a hippocrit. You have taken every opportunity you could, to blast LotR in your posts in this thread, and I would see that as 'trying to bring LotR down to SW's level', to paraphrase you. And, thats about all I hav to say.

[APzombie]

This isn't the place to bring down oppinions about whole another trilogy, even if it is thickly oppinianated as being bad in relations to the Star Wars films...

If your going to bash the Lord of the Rings films, your in the wrong forum, step in to Fokkers playground (if you dare ;)).

[areyoubeingserved]

Lets face it Georgie boy fucked up and theres no way he can clean up that stinking mess for Episode 3. Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones reaked of shit. Whats stopping episode 3 from doing the same.

"I swear it is going to be more darker, and there will be at least 28.7% less Pepsi involvement and Jar Jar Binks will only be visible in the background for 0.34 seconds, I swear. Did I mention its going to be more darker? More, more darker."

Dame George Lucas.

What a pussy.

[James Logan]

Well, Bein'served, excuse me if your fantastic constructive criticism and argumentation didn't convince me: I love EPISODE II and am still expecting the third one, and I think a lot of people here agree with me.

[Tuukka]

The highly enjoyable Episode 2 was certainly a step in the right direction after the weak Episode 1. I'm eagerly looking forward to Episode 3, which could be an awesome popcorn movie, and maybe even something more than that.

[APzombie]

One thing is for sure, Lucas is answering his fans, he obviously took Jar-Jar's screen time into concideration for Attack of the Clones.... Your voice counts!

[jeo4]

Originally posted by areyoubeingserved
Lets face it Georgie boy fucked up and theres no way he can clean up that stinking mess for Episode 3. Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones reaked of shit. Whats stopping episode 3 from doing the same.

"I swear it is going to be more darker, and there will be at least 28.7% less Pepsi involvement and Jar Jar Binks will only be visible in the background for 0.34 seconds, I swear. Did I mention its going to be more darker? More, more darker."

Dame George Lucas.

What a pussy.

No, tell us how you really feel. I could give a fuck if anyone here hates the series. Most people come here because they are FANS. You must not have been watching the same movies I saw. Perhaps you weren't paying attention. It's pretty obvious you ignored that whole "Star Wars" sign coming into the forum. You also ignored everyone else's posts here. And the insults pretty much openly fly in the face of fans. If you don't like the series, tough shit. Take your bitch to rant and stop bothering the fans.

[docholiday_13]

Wow, this is by far my most successful topic. All I had to do was throw mud at a sacred movie franchise :D . This seems to have turned into a LOTR v.s Star Wars argument now. Being a huge fan of both series I thought I'd say my piece.

I don't consider the new trilogy to be a prequel. They seem more like an entirely different entity. Sure they have the Star Wars name. Same charecters etc. But something just seems to be missing from these new ones. You can blame it on digitalization, crummy writing, acting or direction. The fact is these new movies don't hold a candle to the original. Sure they're not godawful, but with Star Wars on the cover I expect nothing less than greatness. And I end up dissapointed.

It seems that newer movies are providing the "holy shit these are amazing!" feeling. Those being LOTR and The Matrix. These new trilogy's are providing the feeling for newer audiences that the original Star Wars trilogy provided twenty years ago. I said it before, LOTR and The Matrix are wildly successful while still being outstanding movies. How many times did you roll your eyes sarcastically or laugh out loud at cheesy lines in LOTR as opposed to Star Wars.

Let's face it, Lucas fucked up the Star Wars name. He hired bad actors. He decided to write and direct the movies himself even though its obvious he wasn't the right dude for it. The guy created Jar Jar freaking Binks!!! I thought Phantom Menace would rule. It blew. I thought Clones would right the ship and make everything better. It was better than Menace, but still blew. Now I'll still see Episode 3. But I'll be so used to the crapness that I won't complain. I mean, it's not even a Star Wars movie.

[Jason Voorhees]

lol, Doc, that oughta breathe some life back into this topic :)

Unfortunately (or maye not), I enjoy all of these franchises. I have some complaints about them, but who doesn't? Nothing's perfect.

[Tuukka]

Let's face it, Lucas fucked up the Star Wars name. He hired bad actors.

Not true. In fact Lucas has hired some damn good actors to these new films with Jake Lloyd the only obvious flaw. The problem is that 50% of an actor performance comes from the director, and Lucas just isn't able to give them proper guidance. Every actor in the SW prequels are giving just about the worst performances of their careers.

It should be said that the acting in A New Hope wasn't all that either, but Lucas handled his craft better at the time. But Episode 2 proved at least to me that he is getting better again and hopefully the next part will improve on acting along with other things as well.

Personally I think that Episode 2 is just as good as ROTJ, so...

[jeo4]

Originally posted by Tuukka
Let's face it, Lucas fucked up the Star Wars name. He hired bad actors.

Not true. In fact Lucas has hired some damn good actors to these new films with Jake Lloyd the only obvious flaw. The problem is that 50% of an actor performance comes from the director, and Lucas just isn't able to give them proper guidance. Every actor in the SW prequels are giving just about the worst performances of their careers.

It should be said that the acting in A New Hope wasn't all that either, but Lucas handled his craft better at the time. But Episode 2 proved at least to me that he is getting better again and hopefully the next part will improve on acting along with other things as well.

Personally I think that Episode 2 is just as good as ROTJ, so...

I pretty much agree with everything you said. It will take a lot for me to rate EMPIRE and JEDI on the same level with AOTC, though. I think most people here enjoyed the film, but don't hold it in as high regard as the original trilogy. Personally, I saw all of the originals in theaters growing up, and the last two as an adult. It's hard to recapture that feeling of euphoria. I loved seeing all of them again in 1997 when they were re-released as special editions, and I even marked out for EP I. Yes, there were some flaws. It's hard to measure up to such a reputation when so many people expect so much from you again and again. The same characters, creatures, locations and machinery would have been stale. However, I agree with Doc that Jar-Jar Binks was a bad idea. I also agree that Jake Lloyd was awful. (So was Pernilla August.) However, EP IV was campy and silly in many places. I still get a kick out of it, and I still get a kick out of all the episodes. Every one of these films has one flaw or another, but so does every film...so why make something more than it is?? Suddenly STAR WARS has to be this killer franchise with perfect dialogue, direction and acting. Episode II was pretty damn good, all things considered. Sorry if anyone is let down, but I wasn't. And I will be in line at EP III.

[The Young Son]

Episode III will be great...I know episode II had some cheesy dialogue and such but i have complete faith that George will be successful in making the final chapter dark and memorable...I mean Anakin turning to the dark side...HOW COOL!!! And the Anakin/Obi-Wan lightsaber duel...HELL YEH!!, think about it Doc...this is the one where everything comes together:

The fall of the Republic and the rise of the Empire.
The destruction of the Jedi.
Anakin's transition to the Dark side.
Lots of our favorite characters dieing.
Luke and Leia being born.


Shall i go on? Think about it. Cheers!!

[KyleG]

For those of you who don't like star wars why don't you just leave, this is a forum for the fans not the hatters. I personally loved the last two star wars movies and i can't wait til the next one comes out. When all of you say that episode I and II sucked, i don't consider a movie making 500 mil plus a failure.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

...we won't. We have just as much a right to post in this message board, as everyone else. So, instead of getting upset about the fact that people are posting, who didn't like the movies, skip over them, and read everything positive.

Back to the original topic. Not a huge fan of SW - never have been, and most likely, never will be. But, even such, I am looking forward to Episode III. And, even if I were to look past the inevitable, bad dialouge, bad acting, shoddy pacing - even if I looked past all that, there would still be one little problem - I basically know everything that is going to happen. Seriously, there really isn't any suspense left in this film, for those who have seen every other Episode. The only mystery, in some cases, is how, or why something is going to happen - everything else, is basically common knowledge. I don't know about everyone else, but that really does make me anticipate the film less.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**
Seriously, there really isn't any suspense left in this film, for those who have seen every other Episode. The only mystery, in some cases, is how, or why something is going to happen - everything else, is basically common knowledge. I don't know about everyone else, but that really does make me anticipate the film less.

Well, I'm one of the guys that spoilers don't bother all that much, so knowing more or less what's gonna happen doesn't bother me at all. I'm more interested in the "how?" and "why?", at least concerning this particular movie.

[MrBlack]

Originally posted by dh1989
The second film was a showcase of great special effects,

Thats ALL they are, ALL they are... Every SW movie is exactly that, and ONLY that

[Reagan]

I will not, WILL NOT, get excited about Episode III. Phantom Menace was a joke. It had some of the all time worst writing I have ever heard and it did not carry the story forward enough. Part II was worse because the acting was as bad, the writing was WORSE and you could not blame it on a 9 year old kid.

Episode III will suck and here is the exact reason why. We grew up on the story, we love the story, but we fell in love with the films as kids. Now as adults, if we truly love the story we will suffer through horendous writng and and acting if he carries the story forward well enough. He has not done that in the first two. And he has left too many loose ends to tie up in the third episode. THere is no way he can do all the things I want him to do to be satisfied. It wil suck.

On another note, I could watch Yoda light saber fight all day long.

[Terrell]

THere is no way he can do all the things I want him to do to be satisfied.

That's your problem. You want Lucas to make the film you want and not the one he wants. Try to accept the story he wants to tell. If you don't like the fact it's his story and he's going to tell it the way he wants, leave Star Wars behind and get attached to something else. Nobody's forcing you to give a damn about Star Wars. Same thing I said to Dumb Fokker.


who didn't like the movies

Always boggles the damn mind. The people who claim to not like these films talk about them more than the people who do. I bet you own the DVDs, which really is strange considering you absolutely despise the film.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

For the record, I don't own the DVD. The DVD is too rough. It is almost like sand. But this thread, it isn't like sand. It is smooth, and - oh, what the hell am I talking about? I must be some kind of nerf-herder. *dodges bullet shot from less than an inch away* Whoa! Holy smokes! Good thing I have the "swchwartz" to protect me, eh?

[APzombie]

Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**
For the record, I don't own the DVD. The DVD is too rough. It is almost like sand. But this thread, it isn't like sand. It is smooth, and - oh, what the hell am I talking about? I must be some kind of nerf-herder. *dodges bullet shot from less than an inch away* Whoa! Holy smokes! Good thing I have the "swchwartz" to protect me, eh?

lol- Jeez man, i hate it when that happens! :D

[MrBlack]

Originally posted by Terrell
That's your problem. You want Lucas to make the film you want and not the one he wants. Try to accept the story he wants to tell.
Well what I cant understand in reference to that is... why do the people who pay to see a movie have to adjust their tastes to the filmmaker? Isn't it the other way around? Please explain- because I do not understand that a selfish squandering of a franchise is something worth paying for... I don't understand why the fans of the old movies should cater themselves to what is 'Lucas's True Vision'... His vision was never that great, there were others who made it that way. He should never had written/directed the new trilogy, just given the ideas and had a good screenwriter and director do it.

[gyro_44]

After what's been happening to "Star Wars" recently I would say the topic question is justified.

Heck, I didn't mind "The Phantom Menace" at all. It has several great scenes in it (the pod race and the final lightsaber battle kick ass). And I thoroughly enjoyed "Attack of the Clones". Why? Because it's Star Wars. Seeing Yoda kick Dooku's ass was possibly the highlight of 2002 for me. I was downright giddy.

That aside, Lucas apparently has no idea what he's doing anymore. He needs to hire a screenwriter for "Episode III" but that ain't gonna happen. His ego has gotten the better of him. And again, I'm certainly not against the new movies, but I think it's safe to say that they are light years behind the "holy trilogy" that we will all cherish for years to come (that being Parts IV through VI).

And with another current trilogy out there that is superior in every way (I don't even think I have to name it), it makes it even more obvious that the new "Star Wars" movies are just a pale shadow of the classics.