Predictions for Episode III?????

[Al Bundy]

What do you guys think will exactly go down in Episode III? Is there gonna be a little Luke and Leia runnin around? Exactly what will happen to Anakin and Padme? Will Boba Fett make his debut? Will Anakin completely be Darth vader at the end or before the end and how will he complete his turn into Vader?

[Scarface98.9]

a little recommendation, put spoilers in the topic name since some haven't seen Episode 2 and might be spoiled. but here're my predictions
-Mace Windu dies. Jackson said he would, but wants to go out in style.
-Luke and Leia are born, but that's the extent of their role.
-Anakin will completely turn, but most likely about 20 minutes till the end.
-Because of Anakin's newfound dark nature, Padme will likely kill herself after L&L are born
-Obi Wan takes L&L to Tattoine
-all surviving Jedi are killed sans Yoda and Kenobi
-Palpatine takes complete control and forms the Empire
-because only 2 years go by after Episode 2 to E3, don't expect Fett to don the armor.
-Jar Jar will still chew scenes up and cause anger in the moviegoing audience

[Scorchlord]

I have some ideas.

1) THe script will be laughably bad, with terrible dialogue and useless plot nuances

2) The directing will be uninspired and haphazard.

3) The acting will be flat, lifeless, and devoid of emotion.

Those are three things that I think can be set in stone.

[JDog83]

I think it's pretty much a given that Padme will lose her life. Maybe her death will send Anakin over the edge or something and help with him turning to the dark side.

[MoNsTeR]

i agree with SCARFACE and disagree with SCORCHLOARD (in a way since he's kind of right) because this thread is going to end up into a stupid dumb debate over how stupid star wars is and all this mumbo jumbo.

if you don't like it, and you know you don't like it... QUIT GOING TO THREADS TO THOSE THAT DO!!! i'd figure people would just grow up and get bored of hating something and learn something new... like how to meet girls. but oh well... more for us eh?

back to the original thread... it'd be cool if ANAKIN killed PADME! i mean... you know how much of an impact EPISODE VI became when DARTH VADER turned out to be LUKE's father. those are the type of shiznits that leave people in their seats creating an excellent end to a trilogy. it'd be sad for PADME... but oh well... heh.

or.. wouldn't it be weird if PADME and ANAKIN was actually related? heheh...

cheers!
->jeFF<-

[Zing!]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MoNsTeR:
...if you don't like it, and you know you don't like it... QUIT GOING TO THREADS TO THOSE THAT DO!!! i'd figure people would just grow up and get bored of hating something and learn something new... like how to meet girls. but oh well... more for us eh?</font>

Well said! As for the Padme dying in Episode III idea - I think the story arc would have to involve some kind obvious transition over a couple of years (something which has never happened in a Star Wars movie) assuming that Luke and Leia are born, or are infants in Episode III - since Leia tells Luke on Endor in Return of the Jedi that she has vague memories - "images really" - of her real mother (she was very beautiful...) That would suggest that Luke and Leia were split up at birth and that Leia stayed with Padme until she was at least a toddler. Padme might meet her doom in Episode III, but not until she has spirited Leia away to Alderaan under the care of her adopted father, Senator Bail Organa. If Leia is already a toddler when the movie begins, then it seems likely that Luke and Leia were already split up, and Padme will meet her fate once she hides Leia.

There will also likely be an exchange between Anakin/Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi in which Obi-Wan pleas Anakin to come back with him to the good side of the Force - that it's not too late (this is also referenced in Return of the Jedi when Vader and Luke are on the landing platform on Endor and Vader tells Luke: "Obi-Wan once thought as you do..."

[ak]

I read this somewhere:

"I reckon that Episode III will have Dooku revealing to Anakin that he instructed the Tusken Raiders to take Anakin's mother. Thus sending schizo boy into a rage and killing Dooku and his journey to the Dark Side "will be complete" and the only person he is left to turn to is Sidious..."


I'm also of the belief that both Obi Wan and Mace will be involved in the fight against Darth Vader (we must remember that he will be Vader at this point, but in human form). This would make this a more powerful and dramatic conclusional fight.....unless.....Palpatine whips out his Lightsabre on Mace whilst Obi Wan fights Vader (both fights taking place at the same time, on the same planet), so that Vader has a better chance of survival. Mace will ultimately die at this point, whilst Obi Wan finishes off the true Anakin, who is half baked (over some kind of volcanic pit?), limbs chopped off by his ex-master, and melting....Obi Wan is injured quite seriously and heads off in his ship, whilst Palpatine saves Vader just in time. Vader is then put on a life support machine (I saw one hell of a great sketch for this scene by a fan, showing Vader in a tank, all limbs missing, half a torso and a very badly damaged face, with all kinds of equipment on him, keeping him alive), his specially made suit is brought in, and we fade out.
Perhaps one of the finishing scenes of the film will be Obi Wan and Yoda discussing the future on Degobah, talking of a revival of the Jedi, then another fade to Darth Vader in true form, beholding his master's commands for the very first time......The plans to take over the galaxy even further are about to take shape....

Further, important notes:: I am of the belief that we will see Vader in the life-support tank, as Luke has a similar scene in, I think, The Empire Strikes Back, where he's recovering after some incident. Lucas likes to build bridges between the episodes, so we'll see what goes......

- Some seem to suggest that Padme dies during the birth of the twins. Whilst this is a good point, it's not very plausible, as Zing! has pointed out - Leia remembers her mother. I think she'll be killed in the "armageddon" that Rick McCallum has said will happen in Episode III, along with Jar Jar and the Gungans in a mass destruction of Naboo. (Remember, the style of that planet is no-where to be seen in the final trilogy, so this holds some promise).

- When Obi Wan says Vader hunted down and killed the Jedi in Return Of The Jedi, I think he was figuritively speaking. No way one person could kill all the remaining Jedi masters. It was probably him and a small army of Clone/Storm Troopers.

Pay attention to the smallest of details in the original trilogy, cause they can explain so much of what's going to happen in Episode III.

P.S - I've not seen Episode II yet, so...

[This message has been edited by ak (edited 05-17-2002).]

[Scrunch]

I skimmed this since I'm not seeing 2 til tomorrow but...

I do know that James Earl Jones has already been told by Lucas that he'll be needed for 3. If that was in this thread already oops. Like I said, I skimmed it. Trying to avoid *too* many spoilers.

[Al Bundy]

ak, where did you get some of your information??? and also where did you see the sketch of Vader on life support?? I'd like to check it out. Thanks

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Al Bundy:
ak, where did you get some of your information??? and also where did you see the sketch of Vader on life support?? I'd like to check it out. Thanks</font>

Well, the opening quote was from a review I read, and I don't know which one. The rest of my thoughts however, are just that - my thoughts on what will happen. If you go to Yahoo and type in "Episode III" it'll come up with web-sites that have theories on what will happen in the prequel. There are some interesting thoughts presented.

Recently, Ian McDiarmid (Palpatine) was interviewed by Empire film magazine here in the U.K and said that the likelyhood of him being handed a Lightsabreis very slim, so we'll see what happens.
In interviews, Sam Jackson has stated that he wants his character to go out in a bang, and a fight against Palpatine would certainly achieve that affect.

[Andrew Tom]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:

In interviews, Sam Jackson has stated that he wants his character to go out in a bang, and a fight against Palpatine would certainly achieve that affect.</font>

In Conan O'Brien, Jackson said that with his luck, Mace Windu will die after hitting his head in the bathroom sink, which will occur after he's tripped over Yoda.

Any to the predictions. I don't think that Lucas will go as far as Amidala's suicide. I can't see that happening, since weren't these supposed to be movies for children?

Also, I think that we could see Boba Fett briefly somewhere. I'd love to see that.

I just hope that Lucas won't direct this himself.(But of course he will)

[James Logan]

We WON'T see Boba Fett. I mean, after all, he's less than twelve years old, we can't see him putting the suit on just yet.

I agree with Ak's theories, and I heard too that James Earl Jones would do at least a couple of scenes in EPISODE III. Hayden Christensen said in a recent interview it was probable that he would "get to wear the dark helmet". He also hinted that he would likely be the one to kill Mace Windu.

That said, I don't know what happened. And I saw AOTC, and I liked it, if you'd like to know.

[APzombie]

Well, last night i finally saw Attack of the Clones, great movie, all night i was thinking of how Lucas will end it in Episode III, hmmmmm.

I think that a jedi (possibley Mace) will accidently kill Padme in some way thus turning Anaken fully to the dark side, he will avenge her death and kill Mace (in front of his master Obewan) which will lead to the Anaken/Kenobe lightsaber battle that has been confirmed. Or maybe he swallows Dookus lies of how Mace or another Jedi has killed Padme after Anaken finds her dead.

I think Bobba Fett will have some kind of part in it, maybe hes mentioned but i couldn't imagine Episode III without some kind of Bobba Fett referance to the kind of man he becomes in the later episodes.

I like ak's idea of Anaken in a life support tank similer to luke in the beggining of THe Empire Strikes Back is great, it would be trueley shocking to see that.

I think Anaken will be insanely powerfull with the force, with lighting out of his (good) hand and all, this will varify that he is truely powerfull with the force as all the jedi have forseen, but his other hand will be cut off or somthing similer to that so we could understand why he can't use lighting force out of his fingers in the later episodes.

I think that R2-D2 and C3-P0 will be spending most of the time on their own or in the clutch of the soon to be Empire, if they spend to much time around Obe-Wan, then it will almost condradict C3-P0's knowledge of Obe-Wan in A New Hope. Which leads to the point that C3-P0 will get his gold coverings.

[Scarface98.9]

w/ the events of Episode 2, he'll have to cram A LOT of info so it could make the transition to A New Hope

[TheFrost]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">if ANAKIN killed PADME!</font>

MoNsTeR, what are you talking about? I don't want to see this, I mean...Anakin killing his love? I hope not.

Can't wait to see Darth Vader. That would be brilliant.

[Muha]

We WON'T see Boba Fett. I mean, after all, he's less than twelve years old, we can't see him putting the suit on just yet.


i thought boba fett was growth advanced...


plus i was pretty disappointed with star wars... it wasnt really great... not even close to spidey

[Americana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scorchlord:
I have some ideas.

1) THe script will be laughably bad, with terrible dialogue and useless plot nuances

2) The directing will be uninspired and haphazard.

3) The acting will be flat, lifeless, and devoid of emotion.

Those are three things that I think can be set in stone.</font>

What a Loser!!! Get a life and leave Attack of the Clones alone.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Americana, maybe AICN would suit you better, because your fanboy induced ramblings are really starting to piss me off. Does anyone else not realize how ridiculous he is being about others not haveing fucking orgasmic spasms over the movie? I mean, really, its just a movie. And after your inital reactions wear off, im sure all of you will see that. Besides, alot of people loved TPM when it first came out,.....and look at it now.

[ak]

C-3PO's master in Episode III, at some point, will be Captain Antilles (the guy strangled with the Force by Vader in A New Hope, or The Empire Strikes Back, I can't really remember. I wonder how that all works out.
It's also been said by Rick McCallum that we'll learn more about Yoda's species in Episode III, which could explain a lot about his move to Degobah as a hermit.

[Scarface98.9]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Americana, maybe AICN would suit you better, because your fanboy induced ramblings are really starting to piss me off. Does anyone else not realize how ridiculous he is being about others not haveing fucking orgasmic spasms over the movie? I mean, really, its just a movie. And after your inital reactions wear off, im sure all of you will see that. Besides, alot of people loved TPM when it first came out,.....and look at it now.</font>
he's only doing it cause it would turn into some "Star Wars sux!" "No, Star Wars rulz!" topics, when this topics purpose it to predict what will happen

[LordKaruku]

- Padme must die several years after giving birth to Luke & Leia, assuming Leia's memories of her mother refer to Padme, so unless she and Anni got jiggy with it on that field in Naboo, her death is likely to be offscreen. (I.e. after the end of Ep3). Since Ep3 is only supposed to be a few years after Ep2, yes? Unless Lucas breaks with tradition and the film spans a longer period of time than a week or two.

- Naboo and the Gungans are not likely to be destroyed in Ep3, since in the upcoming online RPG "Star Wars Galaxies," set between Ep4 and Ep5, Naboo is a visitable world with all its greenery and Gunganery intact. They've said on the official site that all of the designs went through the Lucas continuity people all the way to the top, so if Naboo was going to be destroyed, Lucas probably would have vetoed its inclusion in the game, which will be in full swing when Ep3 is released.

- I've heard the rumor that James Earl Jones's voice will be needed for Ep3, but Lucas has never been one to keep his promises. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif But I sure as hell hope he keeps that one.


*** EPISODE TWO SPOILERS ***

By the way... does anyone have any theories on why Owen Lars doesn't recognize C-3PO in A New Hope? I mean, sure there's a lot of protocol droids, but wouldn't he remember that his dad used to own this prissy, neurotic protocol droid called C-3PO? Who'd apparently been there for some time when Anni & co. show up?

[Scrunch]

Owen didn't seem to have a lot of time with 3PO in #4. So I don't know that it would have necessarily rung the bell. He was really short with him actually.

Our predictions that we pondered over lunch were that Yoda ends up killing Doku on Dagobah. Wasn't there that tree or something that had something going on with it? We were thinking that tree was where Dooku died. And perhaps because a sith had died there it protected Yoda from being found?

My guess is that Palpatine might have something to do with Padme's death. Something like that would be the last straw for Anakin before switching 100% to the dark side. I'm curious how he doesn't know that she's even pregnant. I can't wait to see how Lucas does this.

Just realized thinking about that tank... if Anakin physically takes a while to heal and turn into Vader with the suit and the helmet etc... that would perhaps put him out of commission long enough to not know about his children being born and hidden.

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[notchreturns]

This will be the last we ever here from George Lucas. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Moviebuff_Mike]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by notchreturns:
This will be the last we ever here from George Lucas. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif</font>

Don't forget that he still will make Indiana Jones 4 with Steven Spielberg. And he did say it himself that he's interested in doing other stuff after Star Wars.

[APzombie]

I was just pondering somthing, if the clone troppers become the storm troopers, then why didn't Luke and Han notice that they were the same person when they beat up 2 storm troopers and took their gear in A New Hope? Or do they know that they are all clones?

[APzombie]

theforce.net just came up with 'deleted scenes' from episode 2, one was very interesting...

"Boba Will Return
Boba Fett flying away from Geonosis, no doubt his heart filled with vengeance for the Jedi, who have just killed his father. The scene I recall reading about was Boba putting on his father's helmet and jetpack and blasting from the arena. (Obiwan_1138)"

hmmmm

[HM Murdock]

I've read that Obi Wan and Anakin will have a lightsaber fight which leads to Anakin falling into a volcano. That is the official expinatation to how he got that massive scar on his bonce. Anakin will know about Luke but not Leia. And Boba Fett will kill ace Windu. Look out for StormTroopers to be revealed as clones to.

[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Americana, maybe AICN would suit you better, because your fanboy induced ramblings are really starting to piss me off. Does anyone else not realize how ridiculous he is being about others not haveing fucking orgasmic spasms over the movie? I mean, really, its just a movie. And after your inital reactions wear off, im sure all of you will see that. Besides, alot of people loved TPM when it first came out,.....and look at it now.</font>

I agree with you there but I also think Scorchlord should stop. His constant whining and bickering about everything that has to so w/ Star Wars has gotten really old. We get the point by now the he doesn't like it by now! If you don't like a movie, ignore the topic, it's as easy as that!

[dh1989]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by James Logan:
We WON'T see Boba Fett. I mean, after all, he's less than twelve years old, we can't see him putting the suit on just yet.

</font>


We could see him put on the suit. If he was 12-14 in AOTC he would be about 15-17 in III. That would be old enough to don the suit if he has buffed up. I would not say he is 100% out. George Lucas can be pretty sneaky.


Maybe he'll kill Mace Windu for revenge over Jango. Sam Jackson did note he would go out in a bang. A fight with Boba would qualify.

And I read in SW INSIDER that Dan Logan(Boba) had to do a big effect shot and that was probably him flying away.



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[ak]

It would be an odd thing if there was a lot of concentration on Jango and Boba Fett in Attack Of The Clones, that they would skip them for Episode III.
Expect Boba somewhere.

Remember Vader's line to Boba Fett in The Empire Strikes Back - "No Disintegrations!. At some point in Episode III Anakin/Vader must witness Boba doing this - Perhaps to someone important such as Mace, otherwise he probably wouldn't remember it.

Also - I remember an interview that John Williams had a few months ago and some of it was concerned about the musical themes for Episode III, and Williams stated that Lucas had to tell him the ending to the the final part in order for his themes to work in a correct structure - He said that he thought it was a marvellous ending, and told Lucas to hurry up and make it so he could see it!
Now that sounds exciting.....

[Scarface98.9]

that would be cool to see the origin of the "No desintegrations" line. but keep in mind, they said the process of cloning started 10 years earlier. Jango only wanted an unalterned kid. so that would mean Boba is only about 9 or 10. and Mace getting killed by a 11 or 12 wouldn't be out w/ a bang IMO

[James Logan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by APzombie:
I was just pondering somthing, if the clone troppers become the storm troopers, then why didn't Luke and Han notice that they were the same person when they beat up 2 storm troopers and took their gear in A New Hope? Or do they know that they are all clones?</font>

Good point, AP. I'll think it'll take us a while to find an answer to THAT.

I've found the discussion here very interesting, because we can't say we really KNOW anything, but we only guess, and that's always a lot of a fun.

I've retreated from my original point of vue: yes, it's probable we'll see some of Boba Fett, and I agree he'll surely be the one to take care of Mace Windu. I think the final "Dark Side duel" has to stay something between Obi-Wan and Anakin, between Master and Apprentice, and them alone. That's the way it should be.

About the Luke and Leia thing, I don't think Padme will die right away, and remember: Leia has memories of her but Luke doesn't. So I suppose Luke will be dropped off at the Lars's place on Tatooine, and then Padme will bring Leia on Alderaan and spend some time with her at the palace with Bail Organa.

About C-3PO and R2-D2, I think either both of them or only 3PO will get his memory erased at the end of the movie. And as Owen doesn't spend that much time with 3PO, it's normal he doesn't recognize him in A NEW HOPE -- especially after 3PO switches looks from black to golden.

Oh, and having Dooku to die on Dagobah on the "dark side cave" spot is an interesting theory...worth some thought.

[James Logan]

Oh, and here's an interesting theory: what if Padme was pregnant at the BEGINNING of the movie, but Anakin gets so out of control she decides herself to hide the kids from him? And if the movie spread over several weeks or months, we could see Padme giving birht AND dying.

Not a very solid theory, rather unlikely and not the best idea for the movie, but it's the only way I see for us to see Padme die. (not that I like the idea...I hate it!)

[Spidey]

Maybe in episode III we can see a young Han Solo wandering around ??

[ak]

Rick McCallum was recently asked if there would be any sign of Wookies in Episode III, and his response? "God, I hope so".
Of course, we saw Wookies in The Phantom Menace, but they had more of a cameo role than anything.

I'm still interested in finding out why Anakin's mother was taken by the Tusken Raiders though. I posted a theory on this above, and it is quite an intruiging one. The truth of this will probably be the major turning point for Anakin, along with the death of Padme.

[BTX]

I wouldn't be surprised if Palpatine engineers the death of Padme and somehow convinces Anakin that Obi-Wan has something to do with it...I remember something about a love triangle rumored between the three of them, although it would seem that Padme and Obi Wan would never betray Anakin in that way. My guess is that Palpatine/Siddius does an Othello-like turn, whispering in Anakin's ear about how his once trusted friend covets his lover. Palpatine is preying upon Anakin's weaknesses, thus setting the stage for his conversion to the Dark Side.

[dh1989]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scarface98.9:
that would be cool to see the origin of the "No desintegrations" line. but keep in mind, they said the process of cloning started 10 years earlier. Jango only wanted an unalterned kid. so that would mean Boba is only about 9 or 10. and Mace getting killed by a 11 or 12 wouldn't be out w/ a bang IMO</font>


Maybe Boba Fett went back to Kamino and got the growth enhancer serum and that made a 13 year old(the age he would probably be in III), like 20 and that would enable him to disinegrate Mace Windu.

[dh1989]

This my group of thoughts on what will happen in STAR WARS- EPISODE III. First I think the subtitle could be two things. It could go the route of FALL OF THE JEDI or RISE OF THE EMPIRE.


How will Padme die?
I think after Anakin turns to the dark side, he'll ask Padme to leave behind her position as a senator of the Republic and her ties to the peaceful people of Naboo and become a member of the Imperial government and support his journey to become a Sith master. She would obviously turn him down because she loves democracy and hates dicatorship and does not want Leia and Luke to grow evil so she tries to run. Anakin is so pissed, he stabs her with hos new red lightsaber.

How will Leia and Luke be given to Bail Organa and Owen and Beru?
After the death of Padme Obi-Wan will challenge Anakin and when Anakin is defeated and disfigured, Obi splits the children up and hides them. Bail Organa has betrayed Palpatine and takes Leia. He takes Luke to nice people on the desert planet where Anakin grew up.

What are the exacts of the Anakin/Vader transformation?
Anakin, after murdering Padme, he'll fight with Obi-Wan in, this is my guess, some kind of factory on Naboo and he'll be burned horribly. The Emperor will take hima nd put him in a tank and have a sequence where droids put all the mechanics on him and put the suit on. He'll then talk with the Emperor about the plans on the Death Star and the Emperor will make him the team leader on the construction.

How will Yoda end up on Dagobah and how will Mace Windu die? What will happen to the rest of the Jedi?
Boba Fett has returned to Kamino and taken the growth enhancer serum and will come to Coruscant and blow up the Jedi Temple killing mostly all of the Jedi, but Mace and Yoda will be outside the temple. When they see the remains of the temple they both attack. Boba will destroy Mace and severly hurt Yoda. Yoda will come back and ward off Boba. Yoda will then go into hiding on Dagobah.

What about Naboo and Coruscant?
I think these two planets will be destroyed, but I just can't think of a reason.

There will be one Clone War battle and it'll be huge Helm's Deep rival

This is what I think.

P.S. Jar Jar will be punished bad.

I think the final shot of the film will be different from the others. Instead of the film being quicly reduced to a circle and the credits blasting on with music. It'll be a slow camera zoom into the dark eye of Vader with flashes of Anakin's past and future untill it is black. Then they'll play the Imperail theme and have red credits

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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I am positive that Boba will not be the one to kill the Jedi Council by bombing them, or at all really. Anakin will hunt them down and kill them (which should be shown). And Leia remembers her Mother, so I can see Padme taking Leia to Alderan, staying with her, and than trying to find Anakin again for some reason, when she is than killed by him. I would rather she commit suicide,...because,....well, it is just a more tragic,...thing. Yeah, and I definately wanna see Obi-Wan throw Anakins ass into a lava pit - right after both of his legs, and his arms are chopped up, and he is hurt severaly in other places. Dumb fucker - anyone who wouldnt stay with a wife like Padme and sex all the time deserves to go through something that painful.

[HM Murdock]

One thing I don't get and I'm sure it's a mistake in the story but why doesn't Owen Lars remeber C3PO in ANH? In Episode 2 we see that 3PO spent some time in the Lars homestead. Surely Owen and Beru would remeber him. What on Tatioonie could distract them. 3PO probably gets his memory erased as he doesn't know anything about Obi-Wan, Anakin or the Clone Wars. Does Owen get his memory erased or his he just forgetful?

Anyway who cares about that? Anakin does fall into a volcano. It has been mentioned in official SW stuff (books mainly). I recon he gets that f-off scar from Obi-Wan's lightsaber during their battle. He's weraing the mask and breathing material because of that fight. He probably leaves his lightsaber behind by mistake. He then builds a new red one and Obi gives the old one to Luke.

As for Luke and Leia, I think Padme has the two but Anakin knows. How the hell do you hide that fact that your pregnant. But unknown to him it's twins. Obi Wan takes Luke to Owen and Beru (Clegg is now dead) while Padme gives Leia to Bail Organa in fear that Anakin will turn them to the Dark side. Padme is killed in some way (possible by Anakin-it'll so that he is now a REAL badass). In the originals when Leia mentions her mother, she could be talking about her foster mother (Mrs. Organa) from Alderaan.

Yoda probably high tails it out of the galaxy once he discovers that Mace Windu is dead. You are small, grean and old and you have one p!ssed off Sith with a big lightsaber looking for you. Whouldn't you run?

[noisy_brut]

Why should we believe Owen would remember C-3P0. There are tons of protocol droids out there, and he is a different color in Episode II than he is in Episode IV. Also, I doubt the humans would be spending very much time hanging around with the droids.

Padme will die, Palpatine will construct it so Anakin will believe Obi Wan is to blame for the death.

There will be some sort of Holocaust on Naboo. The planet won't be destroyed. Remember Alderaan was used in the "ceremony to make the battle station opertaional" Tarkin specifically states "In a way, you have determined which planet will be destroyed first" and that they will "Test the stations destructive power" on Alderaan.

[James Logan]

Dlh, there's just a few remarks I have about your predictions:

1°) It's highly unlikely that Anakin will kill Padme himself. To the contrary, like many Schmoes and fans, I think Padme is the last thing that keeps him on the Good Side. I figure Palpatine will realize that and organize for her to die, and make Anakin think Obi-Wan is responsible.

2°) Padme can't die as soon as she gives birth, Leia remembers her.

3°) Boba Fett won't destroy the entire Jedi temple. I think he's just gonna run down Mace Windu because he has personal matters to deal with him, but I don't see how he could have the means or will to bomb the whole Jedi Temple. He's a killer, not a terrorist.

4°) It's impossible that Coruscant'll be destroyed -- we see it at the end of RETURN OF THE JEDI, and it becomes the main planet of the Empire then of the New Republic.


Oh, and I don't think the subtitle will be FALL OF THE JEDI or RISE OF THE EMPIRE. Those are good subtitles, but somehow I think Lucas will surprise us with something more "serial"-like, à la ATTACK OF THE CLONES.

[Sowen]

"She died when I was very young" Princess Leia in RETURN OF THE JEDI.
I don't think there is any way Anakin could of killed Padme because Leia would of remembered that. I think Palpatine will tell Anakin that Dooku was behind his mother's death, playing on his weakness and Anakin will go after Dooku. Padme will somehow witness Anakin slaughtering Dooku and become freightened. She then turns to Obi-Wan for help realizing she's pregnant and wants to protect her baby/ies. Obi-Wan will then attempt to escape from Anakin with her and Anakin will go after them. Thus leading to the Obi-Wan/Anakin battle which results in Anakin being severly injured. Like someone mentioned earlier, while Anakin is being revived and turned into Darth Vador, that will most likely be when Obi-Wan hides the newly born kids in seperate places with Padme staying with her daughter and himself living on Tatooine to look after Luke. (For this theory to work though both Anakin and Obi-Wan have to seriously develop thier Jedi powers.)

[Irene Manor]

[Hey man, you all know Anakan becomes Darth Vader?

[ak]

Whatever the dramatic climax of Episode III, in terms of the fight between Anakin and Obi Wan there will always be the terrible thought of their pathetic duel in A New Hope. Seriously, couldn't they have put a little more effort into that?
And yes, I know one was a crippled half man and machine and the other was an old man, but it could have been a better presented fight. That's my only big gripe about the original trilogy.
Perhaps, when Lucas brings out the ultimate edition, he'll slip a few more moves in by stunt people, and some better dialogue - Just to make it that little bit more dramatic. I mean, you'd think Vader would be really, really pissed at the point of their meeting, but he says some vengeful words in a kind of throw-away quality. Not very dramatic.

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[Scarface98.9]

here're my predictions for certain events.

it's implied that for a clone to age faster, they need to be born w/ special manufactured genes to make them age faster (I think). u can't just take a serum and age faster. so I think Fett will be shown learning how to be a bounty hunter, but not killing Windu or the Jedi. when Jango died, I figure it was only there to show the origin of his hate for the Jedi IMO

Jackson said he wants to go out w/ a bang. so I think what will happen is a troop of Clonetroopers will come to kill Mace. he kills all the troops, but then is dispatched by Anakin, where Obi Wan arrives soon after. then Anakin and Obi fight

Padme will stay w/ Leia on Aldeeran for awhile, but then die by suicide (there'd be no reason for Anakin to kill her, since she was the girl of his dreams, spent the entirety of Episode 2 trying to get her, and then kill her. too out of character for him)

Dooku will reveal he intructed Raiders to kill his mom, and that Anakin will kill Dooku, thus turning him to the darkside
these could happen

[Muha]

i heard a rumor that temuera morrison was signed to the next one too... if that is true then there will be boba fett.


see... they said that all the clones are advanced in age. so boba in AOTC would be nearly jango's age in EP 3.

boba will kill windu

[Scarface98.9]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:



i heard a rumor that temuera morrison was signed to the next one too... if that is true then there will be boba fett.


see... they said that all the clones are advanced in age. so boba in AOTC would be nearly jango's age in EP 3.

boba will kill windu

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not really. Jango said he wanted an unaltered clone of him, which meant no age enhancer. otherwise, Boba would be a lot more older looking than he was

[beastieben21]

Why does everyone think Anakin killing Dooku will lead him to the dark side? Dooku is has turned to the Sith, if anything, him killing Dooku would do everyone a favor. I think somehow Palpatine will decieve him into thinking The Jedi's or Obi-Wan were responsible for killing his mother.

Or Perhaps say that Obi-Wan impregnated Padme, thus resulting in a violent rage from Anakin where he kills Padme and tries to kill Obi-Wan. Hey, it could happen. That'd be kinda funny to find out Leia's father is Obi-Wan, since she only remembers her mother, and Vader never says "I'm LEIA'S father." Plus, that makes the whole kissing/love angle between Luke and Leia a little less freaky.

[Muha]

Why does everyone think Anakin killing Dooku will lead him to the dark side? Dooku is has turned to the Sith, if anything, him killing Dooku would do everyone a favor. I think somehow Palpatine will decieve him into thinking The Jedi's or Obi-Wan were responsible for killing his mother.

NOTE: The Emperor tried to persuade Luke to join the dark side by killing vader, but unlike anakin, luke denied the power of the dark side.

[noisy_brut]

I saw II again today, and have been thinking more about what will happen in III.

It will be revealed that someone persuaded the Raiders to take Anakin's mother. I believe it will most likely be Dooku.

It will also be revealed that Dooku is Anakin's father. This would also explain how he knew who Anakin's mother is.

I also think that it will be revealed that Qui Gon was much closer to the Dark Side than we thought. Remember 2 things: Dooku told Obi Wan that he would be surprised if he knew how Qui Gon felt, and in Episode I Obi Wan told Qui Gon he would most likely be on the council if he didn't keep going against them like that. And he was ready to go against them and train Anakin.

Also Artoo and Threepio's memories will be erased at the end for the security of the twins.

[noisy_brut]

Qui Gon will be revealed AS Salphi Daeous

Edited to be AS not AT! Bad Brut!

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[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by noisy_brut:
Qui Gon will be revealed at Salphi Daeous</font>

I'm really not understanding this or the tree cave thing on Dagobah - Someone explain!

[d80s0q]

Here are my points:

Anakin will kill Dooku. I mean, he ultimately becomes a Sith, and there are always two, no more, no less. As Dooku is Lord Tyrannus, and one of the two sith (replacing Darth Maul after his death), killing him creates a 'job vacancy'.

Padme will not be killed at all by Anakin. She will be the last thing to keep him from the Dark side. Everything leads him towards it, but she is the last link to the light side that he actually has. Either she dies, sending him off on one (un likely due to teh whole child thing), or more likely, she just turns her back on him as he is just too dangerous etc.

Qui Gonn will have a big part in III in some way, even if just to learn about him. But Sifa-dious is the Emperor, Darth Sidious. remember, when he is mentioned as a dead Jedi in AOTC, Yoda and Windu kind of avoid the subject.

[noisy_brut]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
I'm really not understanding this or the tree cave thing on Dagobah - Someone explain!

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My bad I meant AS Salphi not AT

Salphi Daeus or however you spell the name - is the so called member of the Jedi Council that put in the order to create the Clone Army. Obi Wan knows who this is and said that this person was killed 10 years ago, which is when Phantom Menace took place. Since Senator Palpatine = Darth Sidieous and Count Dooku = Darth Tyranis I'm thinking Salphi Daewhooever could be Qui Gon's alter ego.

As far as the tree/cave. It is the place on Dagobah that Luke goes into and confronts his possible destiny. Yoda states "That place is strong with the Dark Side of the force"

We haven't been told why yet, but it would be nice if Episode III visits Dagobah to tell why Yoda ends up there, and if there is a reason why that place is so strong with it...possibly Count Dooku's demise as I believe someone above stated.

Does anyone think if some of Episode III takes place on Alderaan it would add more emotion to its destruction in IV?

[Scrunch]

But if Obi-wan knew who this was how could it be Qui-gon?

[Americana]

Clouded the dark side is my young friend.... Blinded, and counfused our young friend Obi-Wan could have been in those times. Maybe the dark side in Oui-Gon he could not see. Things are clear though... Rise of a "New" Empire is at hand. In grave Danger I fear we are.... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif


Jedi Master Yogaman http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[HM Murdock]

Qui-Gon is Salphi Daeus? No no no! Salphi Daeus is that long necked Jedi on the council in Episode 1, not Qui-Gon. Why should Qui-Gon be on the darkside? He was trained by Dooku before Dooku turned to the dark side not during. Or on the other hand, maybe the Sith don't dissapear when they are killed. This would explain why Darth Vader and Qui-Gon didn't vanish...hold on! I'm convincing myself now.

I don't agree with the Boba as a adult thing. He wasn't 'born' with age altering genes so he can't grow quickly but he can still kill Mace as a teenager I suppose.

Another thing is that why would someone persuede the Tuskens to kill Anakin's mother? In Episode 2 there is no attempts to turn Anakin to the darkside (Palatine praises him but thats it). Dooku tries to kill him for gods sake, mulitple times. If he were testing him, why the heck would he chop his arm of? Why would he want a Sith lord with one arm?

[MoNsTeR]

maybe so that sith lord wouldn't be able to do those electric lightning thingies.

cheers!
-&gt;jeFF&lt;-

[MoNsTeR]

oh yea... for that SIFU-DAEOUS guy... i don't think that's QUI-GON's alter ego and i don't think the "original" SIFU-DAEOUS (the guy you guys KNOW was part of the jedi-council) organized those clones. i think DOOKU used that name in order to genuinely authenticate the creation of the clones since it needs proper permission from the jedi-council.

honestly... i don't know who that SIFU-DAEOUS guy is, all i know is that he died 10 years ago. how long did it take to create those clones? was it 5 or 10 years? maybe SIFU-DAEOUS WAS the original guy to make the clones... and.. he was forced into it? and killed after? how did he die? didn't obi-wan explain it? (sorry, i only seen it once).

but seriously... i think QUI-GON has a big role in the last installment. i think his connection to the whole thing would create sense on the whole clone phenomena.

cheers!
-&gt;jeFF&lt;-

[noisy_brut]

The whole speech that Dooku gave to Obi Wan, that Obi Wan dismissed will be given to Anakin...however Anakin will be more persuaded than Obi Wan was.

[noisy_brut]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HM Murdock:
Salphi Daeus is that long necked Jedi on the council in Episode 1, not Qui-Gon.
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I did some research and the long necked member of the Jedi Council is named Yarael Poof.

http://www.theforce.net/episode1/oldPreq/characters/yaraelpoof.html

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Another thing is that why would someone persuede the Tuskens to kill Anakin's mother? In Episode 2 there is no attempts to turn Anakin to the darkside (Palatine praises him but thats it). Dooku tries to kill him for gods sake, mulitple times. If he were testing him, why the heck would he chop his arm of? Why would he want a Sith lord with one arm?</font>

In Episode I and II Palpatine never exactly comes out and says what he is doing. Everything is done mysteriously in the background. It was not done to test him, it was done to make sure he is not at peace. To make him angry which is one of the dark traits.


A little backstory theory...Some dark jedi somehow impregnated Shimi. Dooku or Palpatine...this could easily be done as Tatooine seems to be between Naboo and Coruscant. Plapatine is from Naboo (he is the Senator) so it can be assumed that it would be easy for him or any of his contacts (Dooku) to stop off at Tatooine on a trip from Naboo to Coruscant.

Since they impregnated her, they know how she is and where she is. They keep an eye on Anakin, and when he has reached the age of velnerability, they begin to plant the seeds of his turn...beginning with killing his mother.

[James Logan]

Er, people...don't you think everything you have here is a little too far fetched? You're all so caught up in finding the new "I'm your father"-like twist that you're talking about HIGHLY UNLIKELY theories. Dooku would be Anakin's dad? Come on! That's not gonna happen and you know it.

And I don't know who mentioned this, but Padme won't die by suicide. I don't think George Lucas would have the balls to let an important character kill himself in the series. And besides, it's just not Padme's type. ( http://www.joblo.com/ubb/tongue.gif)

[ak]

I really don't buy all this talk of either Palpatine or Dooku being the father of Anakin.

I used to think this may be a possible explanation, alas - It would seem far too repetitive - "Anakin, I am your father"...

[BitchTits]

I think what happens is that Anakin and Dooku discuss Dark Side matters over a game of Twister. Anakin eventually loses, killing Dooku out of frustration and thus turning to the dark side.

[Zed]

Hey schmoes!!!!!

I heard someone talking about the destruction on Naboo.......

I'm sorry but that is impossible to happend.

If you remember the end of the Episode VI Special Edition, you will note a huge celebration on Naboo (and the planet looks really "not destructed" at this point!!!!)


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[The Heart Collector]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dh1989:
Maybe he'll kill Mace Windu for revenge over Jango. </font>

Yeah, but wouldn't some 16 year old kid murdering a powerful Jedi master be a little bit of a contradiction to Boba Fett dying a retarded death by being accidentally hit in the back and falling into a hole?

I mean, seriously. they need to stop giving importance to this character. he was meaningless in the original trilogy.

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Zed:
Hey schmoes!!!!!

I heard someone talking about the destruction on Naboo.......

I'm sorry but that is impossible to happend.

If you remember the end of the Episode VI Special Edition, you will note a huge celebration on Naboo (and the planet looks really "not destructed" at this point!!!!)


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That was not Naboo at the end of Return Of The Jedi - It was Endor.

[Scarface98.9]

Naboo can't be destroyed. it's in Star Wars Galaxies, a computer game, as a planet u can land on, and it has to be ok'd by the Flanneled one himself, otherwise it would contradict the movies. plus, Alderaan was the first planet destroyed by the Death Star, and by Episode 3 it will not be done

[APzombie]

For the love of God Alderan is the first (and only) known planet in the star wars universe to be incinerated by the Empire from Episode I to Episode VI.

It was stated clearley in A New Hope, unless George would want to ruine the effect of A New Hope and have the Death Star blow up another planet i don't think it will happen...

[APzombie]

Theforce.net posted a interview found on E! with george Lucas...

"Patrick Stinson: Anakin in Episode One created C3PO. In the original trilogy, C3PO doesn't recognize him as Darth Vader because...

George Lucas: Well, one, his brains have, his memory system has been erased and so has R2's. So, they don't remember anything from the first trilogy. I'm telling you something from Episode 3, but I shouldn't be telling you that, but I think most of the fans already know that.


so the fans were right, but there has to be more for R2 and 3P0 after their memory is erased, or else it would contradict the famous line "No more adventures" by C-3P0 in A New Hope.

I hope that their memory lose dosent get annoying in the film, like using "Who are these people.... goodness what the heavens are we doing here." ect... too much

[MoNsTeR]

i have to agree that the whole... "anakin i am your father" thing is pretty redundant. but wouldn't it be really sad if it was true??? i'd be so pissed if DOOKU was ANAKIN's real father! seriously.. that's wrong!! they may be leading up to that point though, VADER chopped LUKE's hand, and DOOKU chopped ANAKIN's. so yea... could that be a family trait?

i seriously hope that doesn't happen. but in a way, it makes me wonder who ANAKIN's father really is.

cheers!
-&gt;jeFF&lt;-

[James Logan]

Anakin doesn't have a father. Like most chosen ones in religion and myth, he was born WITHOUT a father -- Jesus was, Merlin was, tons of mythological characters were. Here, Lucas just replace the Holy Spirit by the Force, and Shmi carried Anakin and gave birth to him WITHOUT a father.
And that's why his midi-chlorian count is so high and he's the Chosen One...he literally is the son of the Force.

[Zed]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:

That was not Naboo at the end of Return Of The Jedi - It was Endor.</font>

I mean in the additional two minutes included in the new films.

But now in a second look I realize that was Tantoinne the planet that appers there.

If someone doesn't now what I'm talking about, just check this site:

New Footage Picture Gallery (http://www.jax-inter.net/users/datalore/starwars/rotj5.htm)


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[Common Sense Man]

Okay here is my 2 cents.

Cypher-Dias (that is how it sounded to me in the flick)

Is not the long necked dude from TPM as it has already been mentioned he is this Poof dude pictured below.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/yaraelpoof/img/eu_bg.jpg

Anakin does not have a father, unless you consider the Force his father.

I think that it is likely that Qui-Gon was Cypher-Dias.

Obi did not know who CD was when he was at the clone plant he was simply playing dumb to get more information Hey may have heard of him before and known he was on the council but why does that mean he knew him personally.

As for the Tree Cave from Empire, I explained what I found in another thread but I will paraphrase here. This comes from starwars.com

A rebel dark jedi faction was eliminated by a group of jedi and one of the most powerful dark jedi escaped to Dagohbah and was taken out by Yoda. And his dark essense was absorbed by Dagohbah and the tree cave.

So I believe Yoda stayed there to prevent other dark jedi from accessing the trees power and it also sheilded him from detection when the shit went down and all the jedi started dying.

I read I think in the Timathy Zahn books that having a strong dark and light force source together would cancel both of them out making it impossible for anyone to sense Yoda or the dark force in the tree cave.

I do not think Padme will be killed by Anakin but possibly turn her back on Anakin. And the idea that Obi would be accused of impregnating her is crazy.

I think Anakin may kill Dooku to take his place, but that is simply standard practice for the Sith.

Qui-Gon will be all over the place in his ghost form trying to aid Anakin and prevent him from turning but of course it will not work. Thus being the first jedi to appear this way.

Maybe Anakin will fail the Jedi Trials but I doubt that.

More than likely he will be denied the chance to take them as Obi will feel he is still not ready, and this among other things will force him to leave the jedi.

Something is going to make the Jedi feel they have to stop Anakin, maybe he starts to work with Palpy when he declares himself Emporer.

Then Obi would be assigned to take him out, and that could possibly be when Mace goes down. They said it would be big, so maybe there is a double duel with Mace and Obi and Anakin kills Mace making his conversion to the dark side inevitable.

I can see Anakin killing someone in a rage and then feeling remorse but realizing it is too late to turn back so he must turn if he is to survive.

Or he could be so dissabled after his fight with Obi that Palpy basically saves his life and perverts him to the dark side, making him change, then when he awakes as Vader and realizes he can never return to who he used ot be he decides that being the baddest Sith is better than being a cripple.

I am just not so sure that Anakin will willingly turn.

I think it will come out that Dooku initiated the death of his mother, or that Palpy instructed Dooku to do so.

I am slightly confused about the kids however. It is most likely we will not see the birth on screen as Leia was still with Padme until she was a toddler.

It is know that Anakin has no knowledge of Luke.

To me that means by the time the kids where born he was well on his way to the dark side, or something was happening that freaked Padme out enough to give Luke to Obi to hide.

With Anakin still being mostly good in AOTC how will this be shown in EPIII.

Lucas has never skipped years in one of his flicks. But you would think that would have to happen in EPIII. IF EPIII starts before the births it must skip some years to show that Leia grows up enough to remember Padme before she dies.

It is very confusing to me. Because EPIII has to be all about Anakin turning so he has to start at a point not to far from where he ended in EPII.

And I know James Earl Jones has been cast as the voice of Vader for EPIII. But I think I remember that Jones said it was only a couple of lines that he would be needed for.

I do not forsee a big role for Vader in EPIII.

Hopefully it will be more than a glimpse at the end but unless Lucas plans to push the three hour barrier I do not see more than 5 minutes of Vader.

Out....................

[thingsgoinon]

Am I the only one who ever thought that lil fellow up above looks like the Close Encounters alien?

And remember as someone else pointed out, we have no evidence that the woman Leia remembers is Padme...

And would someone PLEASE clear this up for me...I thought Padme was the name of the look-alike, and Amidala was the name of Portman's character?? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/confused.gif

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[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by thingsgoinon:
Am I the only one who ever thought that lil fellow up above looks like the Close Encounters alien?

And remember as someone else pointed out, we have no evidence that the woman Leia remembers is Padme...

And would someone PLEASE clear this up for me...I thought Padme was the name of the look-alike, and Amidala was the name of Portman's character?? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/confused.gif

[This message has been edited by thingsgoinon (edited 05-25-2002).]</font>

Her full name is Padme' Amidala

http://www.sandtroopers.com/May/padme2_final.jpg

And she is one hot babe!

Out....................

[thingsgoinon]

She'd be hotter if she didn't cover that beautiful face with so much damn makeup.

[Scrunch]

I wonder...

If Qui-Gon is seen in III as a ghostly figure the way we see Yoda, Anakin and Obi-won in ROTJ will they add Qui-Gon to that image somehow for the SE DVD set?

[APzombie]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scrunch:
I wonder...

If Qui-Gon is seen in III as a ghostly figure the way we see Yoda, Anakin and Obi-won in ROTJ will they add Qui-Gon to that image somehow for the SE DVD set?</font>

I doubt it, i mean, Luke didn't even know Qui-Gon...

[Common Sense Man]

I agree why would Qui-Gon appear to someone he did not know, but I read somewhere that he will be a major player in EPIII.

But you never know, Lucas may go hog wild with the reedits of the original trilogy once this is all done.

Out.........................

[James Logan]

I guess Qui-Gon will have an important role in EPIII, and I suppose it's likely he used the name of another Jedi (Sypho Dias) to get the Clone Army constructed. And that would mean either that Qui-Gon has turned to the Dark Side, either that Palpatine took advantage from him and lured him into serving him.

As for the Dagobah thing, I think Dooku will be the Dark Jedi to die on the Tree Cave site. After all, he used to be Yoda's Padawan, and both of them fight in EPII, so it's logical that they will meet again -- and this time, Yoda will kick his ass as it should be.

I don't know how Lucas will pull it off, but this is how I see the ending:
- Padme fleeing to Alderaan with Leia
- Obi-Wan letting Luke with Owen and Beru and then heading for the desert to hide
- Anakin putting on the Dark Helmet and James Earl Jones kicking in as we see Vader for the first time
All that on a magnificient epic music by our buddy John Williams.

Oh, and something more, about the cut there is when Anakin attacks the Tusken camp in EPII...I think we'll see him be more violent in EPIII. I forsee a part of the movie, Anakin hunting down and killing all the Jedi from the Counsel that we caught glimpses of in the first two episodes (Ki-Adi-Mundi and stuff), all that on a variation of "Duel of the Fates" and the Imperial March. And then the last Jedi he faces is Obi-Wan.
Now that would kick ass. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[ak]

What worries me most is this:

In the last making-of documentary up at the official site about the arena battle in Episode II, Lucas says that Episode III will be more like The Empire Strikes Back, in that it will concentrate more on characters than action. Well, he'd better get his dialogue up to scratch otherwise the emotional impact will go down the drain.
More stuff we need like the scene in Episode II where Anakin describes the massacre to Padme - That was brilliantly acted - Best acting in a Star Wars film, by far.

[Common Sense Man]

James,

Well Dooku will not be the Jedi that dies on Dagobah, go to starwars.com and go to the Empire Databank section and look under Dagobah, I believe that is where it is.

It gives the name of the dark jedi, he was not a Sith that dies, he was part of a dark Jedi rebellion that the Jedi Knights put down.

But I forsee Dooku being killed by Anakin, that way the symbolizm of killing to take his place is complete, as mirrored in ROTJ when the Emporer offers Luke a spot if he kills Vader.

And ak I am with you man.

I thought AOTC was supposed to be more like Empire, but it was not even close.

I watched some of Empire and ROTJ over the last couple of days and if anyone tells me that the chemistry and acting was stilted and wooden compared to TPM and AOTC they are insane!

If Lucas is going to go more story and less action he definately needs to get an assistant director to look over his shoulder and make signs to the actors behind his back as he tells them what he wants.

I would suggest that all the actors learn sign language so the assistant director could direct them without Lucas knowing, the actors could just nod to Lucas as they read the sign language over his shoulder.

Something has to improve if EPIII is going to be totally story driven, which would be great, there is a ton of story left to tell, and some of the best parts.

Ah, we can only wait and hope.

I wonder if Spielberg has ever had a sit down with him, or better yet an intervention.

"Listen George ole pal we need to talk about your directing, it is starting to hurt people, it needs to stop."

Out............................

[Common Sense Man]

Hmm I was thinking that maybe we have been too focused on Anakin being Vader before he turns to the dark side.

Maybe Anakin will join Palpy before he becomes man in the suit Vader. Darth Vader would be his alter ego just as Darth Tyranous is Dooku's

That would give Anakin much more time to do evil before he became full on Vader.

Also it gives Obi and Padme plenty of motivation to take action against him.

He could work behind their backs for a while before he is found out, then Obi would have the motivation he needed to try and take him out, thus making him full on Vader after their battle.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Vader! Vader!

http://www2.mbpfx.com/mbpfx/catalog/gfx/images/darth.jpg

Out.............................

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[ak]

I get the impression that Obi Wan isn't a hugely talented Jedi Knight. He's very good, but not great.

Surely his skills would have to be greater than they are in Episode II to allow him to kill Anakin, who would be powerful in the Dark-Side by the time of his demise.
If Anakin is going to hunt down and kill the Jedi, surely his skill would be greater than that of his master?

Although, I'm still certain that Anakin has help in killing the Jedi. I'm sure when Obi Wan said he killed the Jedi, he was speaking generally. Anakin (or, as I should say - Vader) was probably aided by Troopers of some kind.


Most likely his recklessness will be his downfall during the battle with his ex-master. This recklessnes was clear in his battle with Dooku.

And as you so rightly stated Common Sense Man, people seem to be shying away from the human Darth Vader.
Whenever I want to use that name to describe Anakin at that state, without the helmet, I feel as though people will get the wrong end of the stick and think I'm referring to Mr. Athsmatic.

Vader will "kill" the Jedi when in his human form. He'll probably have nothing more than a cameo in the full costume.



[This message has been edited by ak (edited 05-26-2002).]

[dh1989]

I remember hearing the producer saying that they have to cast a new bad guy for STAR WARS- EPIOSDE III. I wonder who this will be. Maybe he and Darth Tyranus can kidnap Anakin and take him to meet Dart Sidious who convinces him to join the Sith because he can be his own master and be powerful.

[HM Murdock]

Vader's helmet is made up of three pieces, right? I reckon we see Anakin wearing just the breathing section to give a sneak preview of the mask.

[Narrator]

i wanna c vader (asmatic) kick mace windu's ass!

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HM Murdock:
Vader's helmet is made up of three pieces, right? I reckon we see Anakin wearing just the breathing section to give a sneak preview of the mask. </font>

That wouldn't work.
Vader's suit is his life-support - He needs all of it, not just the breathing bit.

[James Logan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Common Sense Man:
James,
Well Dooku will not be the Jedi that dies on Dagobah, go to starwars.com and go to the Empire Databank section and look under Dagobah, I believe that is where it is.
</font>

DAMN! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif
Thanks for the info, CSM.

Anyway I agree with Ak and CSM's theories -- Anakin doesn't have to wear the suit to be Vader. I guess he'll do some Evil in human form before facing Obi-Wan and being seriously wounded, thus having to wear the Vader suit.

Ak, you're right, Obi-Wan is far less talented than Anakin. And that explains why Anakin turns to the Dark Side (his talent) and why Obi-Wan can't stop him (as every Jedi, he's less talented than Anakin). I think the only way he'll be able to injure him is because he's smarter and wiser than him, and he'll take advantage of Anakin's over confidence.

Oh, and if Lucas wants to make a movie more centered on characters...you know what he should do? Write the story and then ask Lawrence Kasdan to write the script -- he's done a great job with RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, THE EMPIRE STIRKES BACK and even RETURN OF THE JEDI, and I think he'll help improve the dialogue and character development.

[Narrator]

word on the word is volcanic eruptions cause little annie to fall into the volcanic shit while fighting obi-wan

[James Logan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Narrator:
word on the word is volcanic eruptions cause little annie to fall into the volcanic shit while fighting obi-wan</font>

Well, Narrator, that's somewhat old news. It's part of the STAR WARS legend that Vader became the machine he is following falling in a lava pit while fighting Obi-Wan near a volcano -- the idea of having an eruption WHILE they're fighting is pretty kick ass, though.

[ak]

I have a question regarding something that Darth Maul said in The Phantom Menace (not that he said much).
In one scene when he's talking to Palpatine he says:

"At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge".

When he says revenge - What does he mean? Revenge for what? Revenge against the Jedi's powers over the centuries?

[adam_e19]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:
i thought boba fett was growth advanced...
</font>


No Boba isn't growth advanced. Jango Fett wanted a child that grew naturally, with no growth advancement... Listen to the film. don't just watch it

- adam_e19

[adam_e19]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
I have a question regarding something that Darth Maul said in The Phantom Menace (not that he said much).
In one scene when he's talking to Palpatine he says:

"At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge".

When he says revenge - What does he mean? Revenge for what? Revenge against the Jedi's powers over the centuries?</font>

I think he means Revenge against the Jedi for destroying the Sith many centuries ago...
Atleast thats the way i remember the history of Star Wars..

And on a different note: I'm from Wales too, near Cardiff...

[Muha]

i did listen to the film adam, i guess i just missed that part...

plus we already cleared that part up.

[James Logan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
I have a question regarding something that Darth Maul said in The Phantom Menace (not that he said much).
In one scene when he's talking to Palpatine he says:

"At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge".

When he says revenge - What does he mean? Revenge for what? Revenge against the Jedi's powers over the centuries?</font>

Adam is right, it's something about the history of the galaxy. See, the Jedi and the Sith have an history together. The very first Sith was one named Darth Bane or something like that, a Jedi turned bad, centuries before the events told in the two trilogies. He planned on replacing the "weak" Jedi by his apprentices, Sith apprentices, made stronger by the use of the Dark Side. But as the Jedi rule, he got his ass-kicked pretty severe. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif
Following that event, over centuries there's been several occurences of Jedi turning to the Dark Side, and each and every time the plans of the Sith were blown off-track by the Jedi. Before EPISODE I it's been decades, maybe one or two centuries, since the last Sith was seen and defeated, but nevertheless, the rivalry and hate between Jedi and Sith is as strong as the rivalry between...say, the Real Madrid and Barcelona (soccer teams). http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I guess that explains Maul's "At last we will have revenge" line.

[media_man]

Sorry if someone has already posted this comment, I just joined the discusion...

There was a comment earlier about why Han and Luke don't recognize Stormtroopers as Clones.

My understanding was that at that point, tens of thousands of star systems were fully supporting the Imperial Power (in fact, it even mentions this in the secret meeting that Dooku calls together and Obi-Wan overhears in EPII). Logically, one could conclude that with this backing came military support (soldiers, etc.) from those systems. This was also the reason that Alderaan was destroyed-they opposed everything 'Imperial' and gave no military support, in fact, they were openly supportive of the Rebellion.

On a different note, Yoda states that pride is a trait "all too common among Jedi these days."

Someone posted a little earlier that Obi-Wan was meant to be an above -average fighter at best, not awesome, but damn good. I think this is true because Anakin's downfall was quick and absolute. Obi-Wan was too proud to see this-he recognized the wild unpredictability in Anakin, and thought he could tame it, as he mentions in A New Hope. Obi-Wan was strong mentally, a brilliant strategist even, and a good fighter--but a lousy teacher. Decades later, you see in the face of Sir Alec Guiness, terrible regret over his very obvious pride.

[Ice3burner]

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but as I was reading the "Ultimate Timeline of Star Wars" from theforce.net, at the very end they showed an interview with Lucas around 1980 and it was regarding the making of episodes 7,8,9(or not making them):

Alan Arnold: Tell me more about the overall cncept of the Star Wars saga.
George Lucas: There are essentially nine films in a series of three trilogies. The first trilogy is about the young Ben Kenobi and the early life of Luke's father when Luke was a little boy. This trilogy takes place some twenty years before the second trilogy which includes Star Wars and Empire. About a year or two passes between each story of the trilogy and about twenty years pass between the trilogies. The entire saga spans about fifty-five years.
AA: How much is written?
GL: I have story treatments on all nine. I also have voluminous notes, histories, and other material I've developed for various purposes. Some of it will be used, some not. Originally, when I wrote Star Wars, it developed into an epic on the scale of War and Peace, so big I couldn't possibly make it into a movie. So I cut it in half, but it was still too big, so I cut each half into three parts. I then had material for six movies. After the success of Star Wars I added another trilogy but stopped there, primarily because reality took over. After all, it takes three years to prepare and make a Star Wars picture. How many years are left? So I'm still left with three trilogies of nine films. At two hours each, that's about eighteen hours of film!


So basically he has them all written out of course, but he also says the prequel trilogy will tell when "Luke was a little boy"...So i'm guessing that Episode III, we will see him as a child??? So this is in response to one of the earlier posts in here about how much of the younger lives of Leia and Luke we'll be seeing.

As for Jedi Sifa-Dious, I read in the latest issue of Newsweek's Tipsheet section about the plot of ATOC, and I don't know how credible it is to you guys, but here's what it has:


It seems like everyone's calling Dooku a different name...
Yes, Jango Fett(the bounty hunter) calls him Lord Tyranus. The Kaminos call him Jedi Sido-Dyas. But both of these are just aliases.


It's might make sense that it's Dooku. In ATOC, Sidious needs a reason for the republic to make an army, and newsweek continues saying the clones were ordered bye Dooku to steamroll the droids, which are a false threat, and hence starting the clone wars.

Taken from Newsweek...I'm quite indifferent about the subject, but just wanted to bring it out. :-)

[Common Sense Man]

This came up in a discussion I was having with a friend.

As you know I am a bit confused as to how Lucas will show Anakin going evil, Padme getting pregnant, having the kids, being able to hide one etc, all in a period of under 3 hours.

The whole kid logistics is just too confusing.

But my friend said why do they even have to show the kids being born? Padme could be pregnant in the last scene after she has already left Anakin.

We all know what happens to the kids so why waste time showing it when there is so much more to show.

It sounded like a fairly plausable idea to me.

Because if you are going to show Padme getting pregnant you are going to have to advance time by years in the movie, something Lucas has never done. As we know that at least Leia did not leave her mother until she was a bit older.

Thoughts anyone?

Out...................

[This message has been edited by Common Sense Man (edited 05-31-2002).]

[James Logan]

Well that's a good theory CSM, but aren't we somehow supposed to be told that Luke will be left off on Tatooine at the Lars Homestead, with Obi-Wan watching over him, while Leia is adopted by Bail Organa?

The whole "pregnant but not born" stuff is likely...the thing is, in that case, we have to skip the whole "separation and hiding of the children" part.

[Common Sense Man]

That is where my confusion comes in James.

If you show Padme getting pregnant then having the kids then giving Luke up then living with Leia for at least say 3 years that is a lot of time to go thru on screen.

Plus you have to turn Anakin evil. I would assume that he is mostly to the dark side before Padme gives birth, otherwise why would she hide the kids.

So to me it seems like that wouldn't give Lucas enough time to develop Anakins evilness.

Because we would have to not only see the birth on screen but at least 3 years after the birth, as Leia says she remembers her mother, so she must have been at least 2 or 3.

We all know what happens to the kids so it seems more likely to me that you see Anakin slowly turn evil and Padme getting pregnant then trying to hide it from Anakin towards the end of the movie.

Anakin finds out but only knows that Padme gave up his son to some one.

Remember people we are all getting a bit confused about the kids.

Vader knows about his Son not his Daughter.

So this is what I think may happen.

Padme will be pregnant towards the end of the movie. She will try to hide this fact from Anakin/Vader.

{I even think that Anakin may get her pregnant on purpose to have a son to raise as his evil heir.)

But he will find out.

Padme will either run away or more likely escape to Tattooine to have the kids. As she will know by now that Anakin is too far gone.

She may be taken to Tattooine by Obi as her protector and she will give Luke to him and tell him to find a home for him. Or she will give him both children and tell him to take them to safety.

We do not need to see more of the kids as we all know what happens to them, so it does not have to show it on screen.

This would give Anakin the perfect reason to fight Obi as he would know that Obi hid his son.

Remember later Vader says Obi was wise to hide you from me, so he knows he helped.

That just leaves Padme. Initially I thought Anakin would waste her when she refused to tell him where the kids or kid as Anakin would think where hidden.

But there is that nagging memory of Leia's about remembering her mother.

Some have said she was remembering her adopted mother and that may be the case but I have a feeling it is not.

So I think Padme may escape for a time to either raise Leia in secret or visit her from time to time.

But to leave her alive at the end of EPIII is an undity ending. As we would not know what happens to her between EPIII and EPIV.

We know what happens to all the other characters, the kids, Obi, Vader, Yoda, Palpatine, etc so I do not think Lucas will leave that hanging. I think she will die, the only question is how.

I really doubt that we will see the kids for more than a scene or two as babies before they are whisked away.

But I could be wrong we will just have to wait and see.

Out..........................

[Americana]

Hard to know, what happens next. Whatever happens in the next movie will be one hell of a ride I can tell you that.

[APzombie]

after thinking it over, i believe that the memory of C3-PO will be erased to protect the location of Padmes children, but not R-2s, thats why he tries so hard to get to Ben in a New Hope, because hes the only one who knows everything that happens throught all 6 movies. Thus making C3-PO always confused (and being the comic sidekick). That would kind of explaine why Ben acts like he doesn't reconize either one of them. Also, on a side note, look at a New Hope again, when Luke tells Ben that he was lead to Ben by the droids, Bens look at R2 (his eyes move slightly right toward R2) always looks like a look of reconition to me, it might just be me, but that look can easily be the hint that he knows them both.

[James Logan]

I think you're right. Besides, in A NEW HOPE, Obi-Wan doesn't say he doesn't know them, if I remember well, he only says (after a second of looking at R2): "I don't remember ever OWNING a droid" or something like that. Maybe that means something, as R2 isn't his droid but Padme's.

[adam_e19]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ice3burner:
As for Jedi Sifa-Dious, I read in the latest issue of Newsweek's Tipsheet section about the plot of ATOC, and I don't know how credible it is to you guys, but here's what it has:


It seems like everyone's calling Dooku a different name...
Yes, Jango Fett(the bounty hunter) calls him Lord Tyranus. The Kaminos call him Jedi Sido-Dyas. But both of these are just aliases.


It's might make sense that it's Dooku. In ATOC, Sidious needs a reason for the republic to make an army, and newsweek continues saying the clones were ordered bye Dooku to steamroll the droids, which are a false threat, and hence starting the clone wars.
</font>


Sifa-Dias (I'm not really sure how it's spelt) must surely be a Jedi, and NOT Dooku..
Here's why:

1) When Obi-wan visits Kamino, he's surprised to hear that the oreder was made by Sifa-Dias. Why, because Dias was killed "almost ten years ago". (This could lead to speculation that Dooku imposed as Dias though)
2) Dooku doesn't understand how the Jedi could have amassed such a huge army without him (or the sith?) knowing. Surely after Obi-wan discovers and reports the army, Palpatine would be aware that they know (as too would Jango (who fought with Obi-wan on Kamino)), and if Palpatine knew, he would then tell Dooku.

There was another reason but i've forgotton it due to this confusing situation.. if you don't understand this read it a few times and let it sink in. Or e-mail me and i'll write it in full...

anyway, this is my theory on the whole Sifa-Dias situation

- adam_e19

[thingsgoinon]

ya know something just occured to me....with all the hiding of the children talk..

Even Obi-Wan doesn't know about Leia.....in Empire when he and Yoda are discussing Luke's rushing off to save his friends, during their conversation is when Yoda tells Ben "There is another"....leading me to believe Ben does not have knowledge of the existance of a sister.


Hmmm...

[James Logan]

Hey people I got a question...

If I remember EPISODE II well, when Anakin strikes down the Tusken Raiders and Yoda feels his pain through meditation, don't we hear a voice yelling "no, Anakin, don't!". I just wanted to know...is it just me or is that Qui-Gon's voice we hear?

[Narrator]

shit thats a good point about leia!!! he didnt no who she was!!!! hows that gonna work? interestin v.interestin!

[James Logan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by thingsgoinon:
ya know something just occured to me....with all the hiding of the children talk..

Even Obi-Wan doesn't know about Leia.....in Empire when he and Yoda are discussing Luke's rushing off to save his friends, during their conversation is when Yoda tells Ben "There is another"....leading me to believe Ben does not have knowledge of the existance of a sister.


Hmmm...</font>

Very good point, Things! That makes me wonder even more on how EPIII is gonna end...

[thingsgoinon]

Hehe....just when we thought we were figurin' it out, I gotta go and throw in the monkey wrench http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

I also see some refer to Luke and Leia as twins....are they? I don't recall them ever saying that, but maybe I'm not remembering something....

[APzombie]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by James Logan:
Hey people I got a question...

If I remember EPISODE II well, when Anakin strikes down the Tusken Raiders and Yoda feels his pain through meditation, don't we hear a voice yelling "no, Anakin, don't!". I just wanted to know...is it just me or is that Qui-Gon's voice we hear?</font>

Your absolutley right, it is his voice

[Sowen]

In ROTJ Obi-Wan says something like, "...the other that he spoke of was your twin sister, to protect you from the emperor you were hidden from your father after you were born..." to Luke. So she is his twin. That is wierd though how in Empire Strikes Back it seems Yoda is the only one that knows about her and suddenly in ROTJ Obi-Wan knows all about it. Lucas has some major storytelling to do in III, I hope he explains everything. Maybe Yoda hides Leia. Can you just picture how cute it would be seeing Yoda carrying around a little baby Leia. I wonder how they'd pull that off. CGI has come along way, who knows. Jar Jar picked up little Ani in Episode I.

[ak]

What's to say exactly, that Obi Wan didn't know of Leia?
So - Yoda says "No, there is another". O.K, so.....This means that Obi Wan could have known about Leia, but didn't feel or consider that she could be a definitive hope next to Luke?
Yoda is wise beyond anyone's years.

[thingsgoinon]

I'm getting a migrane http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

But that aside, Ben either knows or doesn't, I'm sorry, I don't buy any "in-between" explaination. This is just typical of Lucas's shoddy story telling. And probably the root of the cause of his constant tinkering with the originals...he's makin it all up as he goes along. I never bought that whole "Oh , I had it all mapped out" crap. Why then would the story line and events be constantly and blatantly shifting?

If Ben truly knew of Leia (wich as the above poster pointed out he SUDDENLY knows in RotJ) in Empire, he would have no doubt. And as a Jedi almost a duty to acknowledge her once things had progressed so far.

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[APzombie]

Hes obviously good enough to engross millions of fans across the world to ponder what every fly that passes by on screen has in relation to the saga.

[thingsgoinon]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by APzombie:
Hes obviously good enough to engross millions of fans across the world to ponder what every fly that passes by on screen has in relation to the saga. </font>

HAHA...yeah I'm not even a die hard Star Wars-phile, and I'm doin it http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

For even more rip roarin' SW fun, check out my "There is Another" thread on general http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif



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[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by thingsgoinon:
Hehe....just when we thought we were figurin' it out, I gotta go and throw in the monkey wrench http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

I also see some refer to Luke and Leia as twins....are they? I don't recall them ever saying that, but maybe I'm not remembering something....</font>


Yes in ROTJ when Vader reads Lukes feelings he clearly states.

You have a twin sister, Obi Wahn was wise to hide her from me.

Out.....................

[Americana]

I am guessing people either forgot about this one or just plan didn't know it was here. So let me just help you all out by giving it a nice little "Bump" back up there for ya viewing.

See... All better now. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Zed]

Well, I think George Lucas will came here when he felt short of ideas for the Episode II Script http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Otherwise, I have one of those strange ideas:

Why are we so sure that Vader knows about Luke?

I mean, he could realize that he have a son, only after the spacecraft chasing in A New Hope.

Otherwise, why the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, doesn't simply search for his son (in his home planet with his brother?), and why he didn't feel his presence when he first came to the Death Star.

I don't know, is just a crazy idea.

[Zed]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dh1989:
This my group of thoughts on what will happen in STAR WARS- EPISODE III. First I think the subtitle could be two things. It could go the route of FALL OF THE JEDI or RISE OF THE EMPIRE. </font>


I don't think The Rise of the Empire is a good name........It sounds to me like a PC Game http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

(I was refering to Age of Empires: The Rise of Rome.....Sorry for the joke)

Anyway, The Attack of the Clones, wasn't the best selection neither.

[media_man]

How about, 'The Screwing of The General Populace'.

[thingsgoinon]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Common Sense Man:

Yes in ROTJ when Vader reads Lukes feelings he clearly states.

You have a twin sister, Obi Wahn was wise to hide her from me.

Out.....................</font>

Ahhh so this would seem to go along with the "Padme dies" theories, cuz it sort of imply's Ben has both children. Ergo, I would think Leia's memory is of a foster mother for lack of a better term...unless he hides both Padme and Leia together.

Hmm...maybe the flashback we'll see is of Vader finding Padme and killing her on Alderan...but not knowing of the child, he wouldn't be looking for her...Leia never says how her mother died, so the flashback scenerio doesn't neccesarily(sp?) have to include Leia in it...

[thingsgoinon]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Zed:
Well, I think George Lucas will came here when he felt short of ideas for the Episode II Script http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Otherwise, I have one of those strange ideas:

Why are we so sure that Vader knows about Luke?

I mean, he could realize that he have a son, only after the spacecraft chasing in A New Hope.

Otherwise, why the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, doesn't simply search for his son (in his home planet with his brother?), and why he didn't feel his presence when he first came to the Death Star.

I don't know, is just a crazy idea.

</font>

I never got the idea that Vader knew about Luke....why would he be trying to chase him down and blow him out of the sky in Star Wars ( I call it Star Wars, cuz there was no "chapters" yet when it came out)...he may have known he HAD a son, but didn't realize at this point it was the pilot he was chasing...

I think in Empire there are a few scenes when he is feeling something, and that may be when he starts to realize this is his son.

I think maybe he isn't quite aware of his presence in the original, is because Ben is there too.... Bens "Force" may have overpowered Luke's as yet untapped powers.

[James Logan]

Yeah, that's how it looks in A NEW HOPE. Vader feels Obi-Wan's presence and is so preoccupied by it he doesn't even notice his son is around. And besides, he hadn't spend any time with Luke, and as Luke wasn't trained yet his presence in the Force might not have been THAT important, which could explain why Vader didn't detect his presence on the Death Star right away.

[Gregorious8]

Maybe Padme will die & when Anikin wants revenge Obi Wan will say no pushing him to the dark side. Just a stupid guess

[Narrator]

In empire vader clearly says he is looking 4 skywalker!

he knows in empire luke is his son i'd say!

[Americana]

Yada yada yada!!!

I'm just gonna wait till I hear some real info on Episode III before I make any judgements here. That way I'll know what to expect when I make them... L O L!!!!!!

[Americana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by THOMAS CHAU of cinecon.com (http://cinecon.com)


TheForce.net (http://www.theforce.net) reports that George Lucas revealed to Entertainment Tonight a very vague, but interesting, comment regarding the eventual framework of "Star Wars: Episode III," which will begin production in 2003.

Lucas revealed that at the beginning of "Episode III," the famed Clone Wars will end and that the rest of the movie will be very "small and personal."

Interesting...

[/B]</font>

I hope to god this isn't true!!!

[James Logan]

Don't worry, Americana, there'll be lots of special fx, fights and action again in EPISODE III. But that episode needs more character development than any other, so we'll probably have more dialogue and more character to character scenes like in EMPIRE. But I don't think that's gonna make it a "small, intimate" pain in the ass flick.

[BakeTheMooCow]

I found this quite funny :

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/nq/2002/nq020611.gif

[This message has been edited by BakeTheMooCow (edited 06-11-2002).]

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, if Lucas still insists on riting his "small, personal" flick, than it could possibly be worse than TPM (in terms of writing, that is - the action scenes will probably be pretty cool).

[Americana]

Oh Dumb-Fokker,

Still downing Star Wars at every point aren't you? I guess some people can't be helped. But hey, you know what??? Even if it is Worser then Star WarsThe Phantom Menace, it'll still be the best MOTHERFUCKING movie ever mead!!!!!!!!!! So go sit in your little room and type away. We Star Wars Fanboy's could care less. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Note: Notice how I put Star Wars in at every chance I get!!! Ticks you off doesn't it??? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[This message has been edited by Americana (edited 06-12-2002).]

[Americana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by James Logan:
Don't worry, Americana, there'll be lots of special fx, fights and action again in EPISODE III. But that episode needs more character development than any other, so we'll probably have more dialogue and more character to character scenes like in EMPIRE. But I don't think that's gonna make it a "small, intimate" pain in the ass flick.</font>

Well yeah now that you put it that way. I guess when I first read it I was thinking diffrently at the time, but I think it would be great to know more about then characters then to have nothing but action scenes. But I think it would be good to show at least one major action scene, like in the beginning of movie just as it opens. Because he said III will begin as the Clone War is ending right. So that means it should be something like Empire Strikes Back with the whole badass battle in the beginning.

[Americana]

Hmmm??? That's strange http://www.joblo.com/ubb/confused.gif Oh well, guess I better give this baby a lil Bump back up there for ya guys n gals.

[Americana]

Well this topic has gone down the drain hasn't it.... Well I guess I'll Bump this baby back up top One Last Time.

[Zed]

The problem is that a lot of ideas has been said in the previous pages. There's no much else to discuss here.....at least until qe got "new news" http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Actually Americana, no, it doesnt bug me in the slightest. Mainly because I dont take anything you say seriously. Its fine to bea fanboy, but not that type of fanboy. I may be considered a fanboy, because I like to talk abot LotR. I dont record every TV special, or read every single review, and critisize it (unless one that I read deserves it) and I dont collect everything cocerning the film. I liked the books alot, and like talking about the films. Thanks for taking the time to read this pointless comment, as I am tired of being labeled a fanboy. If the next two films sucked, I would be the first to admit it. And I think,....well, hope, that you werekidding about the "Episode III being worse than TPM, but still being the best ever.".

[Americana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Actually Americana, no, it doesnt bug me in the slightest. Mainly because I dont take anything you say seriously. Its fine to bea fanboy, but not that type of fanboy. I may be considered a fanboy, because I like to talk abot LotR. I dont record every TV special, or read every single review, and critisize it (unless one that I read deserves it) and I dont collect everything cocerning the film. I liked the books alot, and like talking about the films. Thanks for taking the time to read this pointless comment, as I am tired of being labeled a fanboy. If the next two films sucked, I would be the first to admit it. And I think,....well, hope, that you werekidding about the "Episode III being worse than TPM, but still being the best ever.".</font>

Seriously Dumb-Fokker, if you took the time to really read my lame and stupid post back there and have the urge to reply to me with adding quotes then bro, I hail you dude. Really I do. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

But seriously now. I have never had or will have any Star Wars movie poster, never brought any toys except maybe all of the Jedi's, I have never wanted anything else then what I have of Star Wars (Except maybe to buy the Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter Book some time), and I have never thought of Padme Amadala in a sexual way at anytime EVER!!!...... Okay..... Well, maybe I did a few times. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif But I for one love Star Wars and that love will always be right where it is. In my head & in my heart. That's about it. So yeah, I'm a fanboy, and I do act blind at some times when I should try to look at the downside to Star Wars like the lame acting or stupid Plots. But I grew up with Star Wars and I have this fear of it not being good. So normally I try to deffend it at any cost, even if I sometimes That's Sometime's Shouldn't.

You know.... We've benn on the warpath for a while now haven't we??? It's like, ever since Attack of the Clones came out. I don't know about you but I wouldn't mind it if we stopped being somewhat jurks to one and other. Well, Mainly I'm the one who should stop it because if I didn't always start something with you, you wouldn't try to get back at me so. I'm cool if you are.

And yeah I think this Topic has run it's course and ran out of things to say. So I think it should be closed if no one's going to post here anymore. Or maybe I should just stop bumping this damn thing back up top. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Anyhoo, if you again did read this whole dumbass post then again I hail you. Thanks for taking the time to reading it bro and take care. Mahalo

[Zed]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Americana:
...and I have never thought of Padme Amadala in a sexual way at anytime EVER!!!...... </font>

That's certanly something that I can't say http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Now, seriously....You two seems like kids http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I think is time that this topic go back to the original purpose........before this topic get close!

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

You know, it may be just me, but I dont mind these psuedo-arguments. They are the life-blood of these movie boards, and I say keep them going. But only when its something worthwhile. So, for the time being, im done.

[Americana]

You know what Dumb-Fokker, for once I completely agree with you 100%. Fighting is one thing, and a good friendly one on one movie argument is completely another. I for one wouldn't mind argument's like that. But when they go overboard and become one on one nightmares that's when I drawn the line. Hey.... Did we both just agree on something back there?? Cool!! Hey what do ya know, this just might be the start of a beautiful friendship.... Okay, now I just went overboard didn't I?? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

And Zed, There is NOTHING!! more sexually stimulating then Thinking of Princess Liea in that Skimpy little outfit that she wore in Return of the Jedi. Mmmmm Mmmmmm!! that was amazing. And now that I think of it, Padme Amadala in that amazingly tight white cutoff top at the end of Attack of the Clones wasn't too bad either. Hey... Now that's a good thought, Padme & Liea in some girl on girl action http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Hey wait??? Wouldn't that be Mother and Daughter girl on girl action??? Shit even better then I thought. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I know, I must be shot!!!

[Americana]

Damn, no wonder Dumb-Fokker never takes me seriously. I can't even take my self seriously nowa days. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[James Logan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Americana:

And Zed, There is NOTHING!! more sexually stimulating then Thinking of Princess Liea in that Skimpy little outfit that she wore in Return of the Jedi. Mmmmm Mmmmmm!! that was amazing. And now that I think of it, Padme Amadala in that amazingly tight white cutoff top at the end of Attack of the Clones wasn't too bad either. Hey... Now that's a good thought, Padme & Liea in some girl on girl action http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif </font>

Damn, and I thought thinking of only one of the two was enough to make me horny http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif This is too much. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[APzombie]

I would accually love to see this film a more personal battle as oppose to another Star War, we've had enough of that, unless of course the dialouge is just as bad as the last two...

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Actually, I want one good - no, damn good, space battle. With tons of ships; the works. Heres hoping.

[Zed]

Well, I'm also hoping for another great space battle, but I don't agree that the size is the problem.

In The Phantom Menace, the space battle was pretty well made, and with some spectacular special effects, but I didn't find much emotion in it.

I think that the space battles most return to the original Star Wars (IV) feeling.

[noisy_brut]

I was reading some message boards somewhere (I think it was theforce.net) and thought I'd bring some of their theories over here to throw around. It was on the non-spoiler board so I'm not giving anything away. I don't agree with all of them, but still it gives us something to discuss.

Some type of Catastrophy is going to happen to Naboo. Naboo is going to be reclassified as Dagobah. I don't really buy this - but it does fit in with Rick McCallum saying something about an Armageddon.

Reasons given to why this could be true:
a) Episode I showed Naboo as having a watery core. It would explain where all the water comes from. There was really no reason to have this in there unless it is showing something we need to know in the future.
b) Episode I showed Naboo as already having swamps and claim that the tree the gungans were standing by when Amidala revealed herself look a lot like the trees on Dagobah (how much different does one swamp look from the next?) and some of the flying creatures shown in Episode I are the same as those shown in Episode V, as well as the same background noises.
c) Luke states in Episode V that "There's something familiar about this place" Amidala could return to Naboo to have the children, then the event happens, Luke is present for it, and when he returns to Dagobah, he is really returning to Naboo.
d) All planets shown in the whole story so far have had drastic differences...Dessert Planet, Ice Planet, Ocean Planet, City Planet, Swamp Planet...except Naboo which has already shown to have swamps. (But Genosis was shown as sort of a rocky wasteland which Tatooine also has...so that doesn't really fit.)

However I have thought about that discussion (and used thoughts posted by other schmoes on these boards) and come up with a theory which I kind of think fits better. Amidala has Luke and Leia. Don't know what happens to Amidala - perhaps she marries Bail Organa? Ben and Yoda take Luke and go to Dagobah to hide out. Dooku finds and follows them. Yoda confronts Dooku while Ben escapes with Luke. Yoda defeats Dooku resulting in the cave/tree that is strong with the Dark Side. Ben and Luke end up on Tatooine.

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[Americana]

That was very interesting my friend!!!

I like that theory allot my young Padawan Learner!!!

[Scarface98.9]

I came across this on anothe board which could be what happens. warning, very long:
STAR WARS
EPISODE III
TWILIGHT OF THE REPUBLIC

It is a desperate time for the Republic. The Confederation of Independent Systems, led by former Jedi Count Dooku, has been bolstered by the development of its own clone army. This army has steadily been conquering planets loyal to the Republic, enslaving their inhabitants, and causing the systems loyal to the Republic to become increasingly divided.

Concerned about this state of affairs, the Senate is debating granting unlimited emergency war power authority to vest in Supreme Chancellor Palpatine. The scope of the conflict is too great for the Republic clone army and remaining Jedi Knights to face.

Meanwhile, the Jedi Council, itself weakened by the loss of several of its members, has dispatched a Jedi Knight to the desert planet of Tatooine to request help from a former apprentice…

I. TATOOINE

Obi-Wan Kenobi lands near the Lars/Skywalker homestead. He is looking for Anakin Skywalker, former Jedi Knight who left the Order a few years earlier after the discovery of his marriage by the Council. Anakin lives on Tatooine with his wife, Padme Naberrie Skywalker, also retired from public service, and his step-brother Owen Lars and his wife Beru.

Obi-Wan has dinner with members of the Skywalker and Lars families, and requests that Anakin join with him in fighting the Confederation. Obi-Wan tells him of the status of the Order and Council, and both agree that the Order is in danger of extinction. They debate the topic: Owen is opposed to Anakin leaving, Padme is in favor of him leaving to fight for the Republic, and Anakin is undecided. Owen cares very little about the affairs of the Republic; the government never cared about smaller systems like Tatooine, never cared that the planet is run by gangsters. Anakin still harbors resentment toward Yoda and Mace Windu of the Council, as he felt that they were behind him leaving the Order. Still, Anakin craves adventure; life as a moisture farmer has proven to be too boring for him. Padme cares deeply for the Republic: despite its inefficiency and corruption, it still exists as a government that allows all systems to participate in governing. After Obi-Wan tells Anakin stories of the Confederation enslaving the population of the planets it has conquered, and putting the slaves to work on its war machine, Anakin becomes convinced to go. Obi-Wan and Anakin decide to leave the next morning.

That night, Anakin and Padme talk. They are both fearful for the future, but both believe that the Republic needs Anakin’s help. Padme notices that Anakin gets very angry when he talks about Yoda and the Council. That night, Luke and Leia are conceived.

The next morning, Anakin packs up his belongings. Owen tries to convince him one last time to stay, but Anakin is resolute. He bids Padme a tearful goodbye. Padme gives him back the medallion made from the japor snippet “for luck.” Anakin and Obi-Wan take off for Coruscant.

II. CORUSCANT

Anakin and Obi-Wan appear before the Jedi Council, which consists of only a few members, including Yoda and Mace Windu. Anakin says or does something that increases Yoda and Mace’s concern of his susceptibility to the Dark Side. We learn that Yoda did not want to contact Skywalker at all, as he is concerned about the Prophecy coming true. Yoda was glad when Anakin left the Order, and returned to Tatooine, as he felt that, if Anakin were not involved in the conflict, he would have less opportunity to be turned to the Dark Side. Mace, recognizing the threat to the Order’s very existence and Anakin’s talents and strength in the force, had convinced Yoda that they should contact Skywalker. Obi-Wan was ambivalent in the matter, and did as the Council told him with no questions asked. The Council sends him to meet with Chancellor Palpatine. Yoda is aware that Palpatine intends to assign Anakin to a system far away from Coruscant, and is pleased with this. Yoda does not want Anakin around.

Anakin meets with Palpatine, and the two discuss the state of affairs of the war, and his assignment. Palpatine tells him how pleased he is that Anakin is joining the battle, and flatters Anakin about his piloting skills. Anakin is dispatched to the other side of the galaxy to lead a group of pilots (as part of a larger force) in retaking an important planet under Confederation control.

III. OUTER SPACE

Anakin goes to his assignment with his space ship armada. There is a space battle at this point, and the Confederation is defeated because of Anakin’s heroics. The Republic is able to retake the planet, drive off the Confederation forces, and free the planet’s enslaved inhabitants. Because of Anakin’s major role, his reputation as a pilot begins to spread far and wide. Sidious, in a holo-communication to Dooku, and they discuss the battle that Anakin had just taken part in. Dooku remembers Anakin well from their battle in Episode II. It becomes obvious to us that both Sidious and Dooku were aware that Anakin would be involved in this battle, and that they had planned the battle. They had planned that the Republic would retake this planet, but also used this battle as a test of Anakin’s abilities.

IV. TATOOINE

Padme realizes that she is now pregnant. She doesn’t know where Anakin has been assigned to fight, and contacts the Council to notify Anakin. Concerned for her welfare and the welfare of the child she is carrying, the Council dispatches Obi-Wan to protect her. Mace and Yoda discuss Anakin’s attachment to Padme, and his vulnerability to the Dark Side. They decide not to tell Anakin of Padme’s pregnancy, as they are afraid that this news will cause Skywalker to return home and abandon the Republic forces. They realize that, for better or for worse, Anakin’s return to battle has increased the chances of the Republic winning the war.

V. NABOO/TATOOINE/ALDERAAN

In another battle planned by Sidious and Dooku, Dooku’s clone army attacks and conquers Naboo. News of this reaches Padme. She wants to go there and see if her family is safe. The Council, Owen, and Beru talk her out of it. Padme is growing increasingly fearful and sad. She speaks with the Council who decide that, for her own safety and protection, she is to be moved off of Tatooine to another planet, Alderaan. Obi-Wan and Padme arrive on Alderaan, and meet Bail Organa, a friend of Obi-Wan’s and Senator from Alderaan. Bail Organa’s wife is also pregnant and due near the same time as Padme. Padme is well-acquainted with the Organa family from her years in the Senate. She is comfortable with them, and, even though she is concerned about her home planet, is somewhat happy to be on Alderaan. After making sure that they are cared for, Bail Organa leaves to rejoin the Senate in session. When he is alone, Obi-Wan contacts Yoda and informs him that they have made it to Alderaan safely. Yoda orders Obi-Wan that he is not to tell Anakin about Padme’s pregnancy. Obi-Wan questions him, but Yoda responds “On this, all depends.”

VI. CORUSCANT/THE SENATE

Palpatine addresses the Senate, notifying them of the invasion and conquering of Naboo. News of this sends the Senate into a stir. He tells the Senate that they need to be united and decisive as to the conduct of the war. Palpatine states that the fractiousness in the Senate is causing them to lose the war, and that their very survival is at stake. One of the Senators addresses the floor (Toonbuck Toora, perhaps?), and suggests the creation of an enabling act, one that will give Palpatine unlimited authority to conduct the war. The Senator states that, while the war is going on, decision-making authority should be concentrated in one person’s office. The war is simply going on too many fronts, with too many decisions to be made quickly, for senate debate to be effective. Also, as the Senator observes, when Palpatine has made the decision as to where to place troops, it has resulted in a Republic victory. [This is, of course, the case: Sidious and Dooku have been coordinating the battles and pre-determining the outcomes.] There is some debate, with Bail Organa, Garm Bel Iblis, and Mon Mothma in opposition. The Senator moves for passage of en enabling act granting Palpatine unlimited wartime authority. Palpatine acts as though he’s surprised at this motion, and acts taken aback. The Senator convinces Palpatine it is for the sake of the Republic. Another Senator seconds the motion. It passes. Palpatine is enabled to conduct the war how he sees fit.

VII. OUTER SPACE

Anakin receives news of his wife’s pregnancy. He has been unable to contact Padme on Tatooine. It has now been a period of several months. He is angry that the Council did not inform him of Padme’s pregnancy. He indicates his anger to Obi-Wan, with whom he is in communication. Obi-Wan basically tells him that he is following orders by not telling him. This conversation begins to drive a wedge between Anakin and Obi-Wan. It appears that Obi-Wan’s loyalty to the Council takes precedence over his friendship with his former apprentice.

Anakin informs the Council that he is leaving his assignment to join Padme. Yoda tells him that she has been moved off Tatooine, and is being protected by Jedi. Anakin grows angry at this--why wasn’t he told? Yoda gives him an unsatisfying answer. Anakin asks where Padme is, but Yoda will not tell him. Anakin grows angry at this, is ready to leave, but Yoda is insistent that Anakin stay where he is. Yoda realizes that Anakin is too-strongly attached to Padme, that she could be his downfall, and that the prophecy could come true. Yoda breaks off the contact with Anakin.

Anakin contacts a representative of Palpatine’s office, who patches him in to Palpatine himself. Anakin tells Palpatine of the battle, and lets slip his dissatisfaction with Yoda and the Council. Palpatine, sounding sympathetic, asks him to discuss it. Anakin eventually tells him of Padme’s pregnancy, of the Council hiding her and not informing him where she is. Palpatine promises that he will find out for Anakin where Padme is and contact him immediately upon doing so.

VIII. CORUSCANT

Through a contact or spy, Palpatine finds out that Padme is on Alderaan, and being protected by Obi-Wan. In Sidious disguise, he contacts Dooku, and the two arrange for the Confederation to attack Alderaan. Palpatine wishes Alderaan to be attacked for at least two reasons, which he does not disclose to Dooku: he wants Padme to be kidnapped from Alderaan, and Alderaan is the homeworld of Bail Organa, his leading opposition in the Senate. A battle there may end Organa’s opposition in the Senate, and could lead him to support Palpatine in the war. Bail Organa is a well-respected Senator.

IX. ALDERAAN/OUTER SPACE

The main Confederation force attacks Alderaan. The Council sends most of the remaining Jedi, and Palpatine sends thousands of clones to defend Alderaan. There is an intense battle, and grievous losses for the Republic. Most of the Jedi sent are killed in battle. All of the major population centers of Alderaan are damaged if not destroyed. It is only through Obi-Wan’s fighting that the Republic wins the battle and Alderaan saved, and drives away the Confederation forces. During the fighting, it is found that a rogue Jedi Knight committed treachery against the Republic--possibly by giving secret information to the Confederation. Another possibility is that a small group of Jedi defect to Dooku’s side, to fight for their former master in establishing a government under Jedi rule. In the end, though, Padme is safe as the Confederation forces are forced off-planet and retreat.

While the battle is going on, Anakin contacts the Council, and demands to know where Padme is. Knowing that the battle is on Alderaan, and unsure if Obi-Wan himself can protect Padme, Yoda informs him that Padme is on Alderaan. Anakin tells him that he is leaving for Alderaan at once. He is frightened, as he has been aware that Alderaan has been under attack.

At that point, Palpatine contacts Anakin. Anakin tells him that he just found out where Padme is, that Yoda reluctantly told him. Palpatine tells Anakin that he is beginning to have suspicions about the Jedi council and order, and wonders aloud if they are serving the Republic’s interest or their own. Anakin states that he is not so sure of the Council’s motives himself.

Yoda informs Obi-Wan that Anakin is on his way from the other side of the galaxy. By this point, Padme is ready to give birth. Padme is very depressed, as she has not been able to see Anakin throughout her pregnancy, and that she doesn’t know if her family is alive or dead. Obi-Wan and Yoda discuss the child. Yoda tells Obi-Wan of Anakin’s behavior and susceptibility to the Dark Side and gives him reasons to hide the child. Obi-Wan discusses this with Padme. Padme loves her husband, but knows that he is prone to anger. She is also concerned about Anakin’s future, and understands what Obi-Wan is telling her. She trusts in Obi-Wan and Yoda.

X. CORUSCANT/THE SENATE/THE COUNCIL

Palpatine addresses the Senate. He informs them of the Battle of Alderaan, but does not tell them of Obi-Wan’s heroism in the Republic victory. Instead, he credits the Clonetroopers, and states that a Jedi Knight had committed treason against the Republic (or that a group of Jedi defected to the Confederation), which almost resulted in the Confederation defeating the Republic. He informs the Senate that the Jedi Order’s loyalty to the Republic is in doubt. After all, Count Dooku was one of the Jedi before he became disloyal to the Republic. Because of the disloyalty, the potential for future disloyalty, and because of the ability of the Clonetroopers to conduct the war, the Jedi are no longer needed, nor can they be trusted. The majority of the Senate appears to agree with Palpatine. Clonetrooper production is again increased.

Yoda and Mace are concerned as to what they have heard. Sensing their increasing marginalization, and inevitable end of the Order, Yoda decides that he will have to leave Coruscant at some point and go into hiding. It appears that the Jedi Order is lost, and Yoda knows that someday there will be another who needs training in the Force. Yoda believes that the Prophecy is in place, and there is nothing he can do to change it. Yoda can only hope that Padme bears a child, and that the child will eventually seek him out in hiding for training. The child must be kept from Anakin. Yoda and Mace also discuss Palpatine. Before this time, they had indications that Palpatine was possibly involved in other matters of which the Council was not aware or informed. Yoda suspects something fishy about Palpatine, but cannot put his finger on it. Mace, even though he realizes the futility, decides to stay on Coruscant and guide the few Jedi remaining, as well as continue to investigate Palpatine.

XII. ALDERAAN/TATOOINE

On Alderaan, Padme gives birth to a son whom she names Luke. Obi-Wan takes newborn Luke and leaves immediately for Tatooine. On the way to Tatooine, Obi-Wan develops engine trouble, and lands on Dagobah, the nearest planet on his trip, to make repairs. Upon fixing his ship, Obi-Wan leaves Dagobah. [Alternatively, in the course fo his journey to Tatooine, Obi-Wan is in danger of being intercepted by Confederation warships, and he chooses to hideout on Dagobah.] Obi-Wan lands on Tatooine, leaves Luke with Owen and Beru, telling them that he will return for the child. Meanwhile, unknown to Obi-Wan, Padme gives birth to a daughter whom she names Leia. Obi-Wan is gone, Padme is vulnerable, and Bail Organa, recently returned from the Senate and concerned about the direction the Republic is going in, takes the child to raise. Organa’s wife had recently suffered a miscarriage, but this information is unknown outside of the family circle. Around this point in time, Yoda leaves Coruscant, and goes to Alderaan. Finding that there were two children, that they have been taken care of, and Obi-Wan is due to return shortly, he leaves and goes into hiding on Dagobah, telling noone where he is going. Yoda and Bail Organa talk in private, and Yoda tells him not to disclose Leia’s true identity to anyone, especially Anakin. Bail Organa agrees, realizing it is for the best of the Republic.

XIII. CORUSCANT

Sidious contact Dooku and orders him to kidnap Padme Naberrie Skywalker and bring her to Coruscant. He further tells him that it must be done quickly and quietly. Dooku asks why he is to so this, and Sidious states he has something special planned for Anakin Skywalker. Further, she is due to give birth, and her child may be a threat to Palpatine and Dooku, so she needs to be taken captive. [Palpatine is unaware that Padme has already given birth.]

XIV. ALDERAAN

That night, forces loyal to Dooku kidnap Padme in the middle of the night and take her to Coruscant. Bail Organa and his already-weakened forces were unaware of this and not prepared. In the confusion, Anakin lands on Alderaan, and is told what happened. He is very angry by this news, for several reasons: the Jedi moved her off of Tatooine for her own protection, there are no Jedi here to protect her, and the Jedi had withheld news of her pregnancy and whereabouts to him. He asks about his child, and Bail Organa lies to him, telling him that Padme had not given birth before she was kidnapped. Anakin gets even angrier at this news, and has a difficult time concentrating. Obi-Wan lands on Alderaan. Anakin is angry at him, and asks him where he was. Obi-Wan informs him that he had to go off-planet by order of the Council. Obi-Wan pledges to Anakin that he will help him find Padme. He says nothing about the birth of any children. Anakin, despite his growing anger at Obi-Wan, reluctantly accepts his help.

XV. CORUSCANT

At this point, Sidious and Dooku meet face-to-face and Sidious reveals the final stages of his plan to control the galaxy. Dooku remarks about the brilliance of Sidious’s entire plan, and they discuss merging Confederation forces into the Republic. Sidious also states that Skywalker is a powerful threat to the two of them, but could be a powerful ally if he is able to be turned. Sidious tells Palpatine that Anakin will join them or die. Padme is held under guard in a different room, and does not hear their discussion. Mace Windu, who has been investigating Palpatine, comes across this meeting, and, after a fight, is killed by Dooku with Palpatine’s assistance. Anakin and Obi-Wan land on Coruscant, go immediately to the Council, only to find the Council gone. It is Obi-Wan’s idea to split up to look for Padme. Secretly, Obi-Wan is hoping to find Padme before Anakin does, and warn her about Anakin; that he is hardly in control of himself. Anakin reluctantly agrees to split up.

Anakin goes to see Palpatine, who informs him of rumors floating around that Dooku has kidnapped Padme. Palpatine feigns concern for Padme’s well-being, and asks how he can assist. Anakin angrily discloses his disgust with the Council and Order, and Palpatine agrees with him. Palpatine tells Anakin that, through his network of spies, he had recently become aware of a scheme engineered by Yoda and Obi-Wan to keep Padme from him. Palpatine tells him that Yoda, Mace, and Obi-Wan recognize that Anakin is The Chosen One. As such, they want Padme out-of-the-way so that Anakin would serve the Council. Palpatine states that he believes, but is not sure, that the Council is secretly allied with Dooku, the former Jedi. As a result, Palpatine says, none of the three Jedi should be trusted. Anakin agrees, to some extent, with Palpatine. Anakin states that he now understands why Obi-Wan wanted to split up--so that Obi-Wan could get to Padme first. Palpatine tells him that the end of the Order is near, and that he would like Anakin to join him in guarding the Republic. Anakin is noncommittal, but interested. Palpatine dispatches Clonetroopers to assist Anakin in finding Padme.

With the assistance from the Clonetroopers and information from Palpatine’s spy network, Anakin finds Padme in Dooku’s clutches in the lowest levels of Coruscant. In the lowest levels, there is an area of volcanic activity. It is not a large area of the planet, and the lava is mostly stable. Coruscant engineers were able to contain the volcanic activity to a certain area, and planned around it in their decades of building the planet-city. Energy from the lava is harnessed and used as a power source for Coruscant. There is a short but fierce battle between Anakin’s Clonetroopers and Dooku’s clones, and only Dooku, Padme, and Anakin remain alive. Padme is shackled, gagged, and weakened from having given birth recently, and can hardly move. Dooku tempts Anakin, enticing him to join him. Dooku tells him that the end of the Jedi order is at hand, that most of the Jedi are dead. He also tells him of the fractiousness in the Senate. Dooku tells Anakin that together they can overthrow Palpatine and rule the galaxy as Jedi Knights, which is what Dooku wanted all along. Dooku always wanted the Jedi Knights to rule, and the Senate to be subservient to the Order. Dooku talks about the corruption and ineffectiveness of the Senate, and tells him that they can rid the galaxy of this pointless conflict. Anakin is not interested in ruling, and only wants to return to Tatooine with Padme. Dooku tells him that it is too late, and he is too important, for that. Dooku tells him that he would be a great Jedi if it weren’t for the “distractions”, motioning to Padme. Anakin notices that Padme is no longer pregnant and inquires about their child. Dooku states that Anakin had a son, and that the Council has taken him captive, intending on keeping him from his parents and training him. Padme somehow gets the gag off, and tells Anakin that she loves him and not to listen to Dooku, and Dooku stabs her with his lightsabre. Anakin goes to her side, and they exchange a few words. Anakin tearfully says goodbye. At this point, Anakin’s fear, rage and hate consume him. He engages his lightsabre, and he and Dooku fight. Anakin holds the upper hand at first, but Dooku surprises him, and Anakin is in danger of dying. Palpatine enters the room, and Dooku is glad to see him. Palpatine distracts Dooku long enough for Anakin to regain his strength. Anakin regains his strength and attacks Dooku. Palpatine is impressed with Anakin’s strength. Anakin, in a rage, overwhelms and kills Dooku. Palpatine states “Excellent!” By now, Anakin is trembling as he cradles Padme in his arms. Palpatine remarks that none of this would have happened if it weren’t for Obi-Wan and Yoda keeping her hidden from both of them, and reneging on their promise to protect her. Anakin agrees.

Palpatine offers to help Anakin with arrangements for Padme’s burial, but Anakin asks to be alone with her. Palpatine leaves the room, leaving Anakin with the lifeless Padme. With Dooku dead, Palpatine contacts Wilhuff Tarkin, Dooku’s second-in-command. Tarkin, knowing of Palpatine and Sidious’s plan to conquer the galaxy, pledges his clone armies to Palpatine. Palpatine tells Tarkin that he is an effective ruler, and, once the consolidation is done, will put him in a position of leadership. The Confederation forces merge with the Republic.

Palpatine addresses the Senate, and tells them of Dooku’s death and the Confederation’s surrender (a lie). Palpatine proclaims the beginning of a New Order, the Galactic Empire, and proclaims himself Emperor. There are mutterings in the Senate. Palpatine’s first act as Emperor is to condemn the Jedi Knights to die, based on their treason against the Republic. There is little opposition to this. Palpatine tells the Senators that their new duty is to administer control of their systems, all of which are now controlled by Republic forces. Most of the Senators are under Palpatine’s control, or are powerless to resist. After this meeting, Mon Mothma, Garm Bel Iblis, and Bail Organa meet in secret and begin their plans for the Alliance.

Obi-Wan comes across Anakin holding Padme’s body, crying. Anakin screams at him to get away, that it is his fault that this happened. Anakin is as angry as he is tearful. Obi-Wan is apologetic. Anakin starts to get aggressive with Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan can sense that Anakin is consumed by his fear, rage, and hate, and backs away. Anakin angrily asks Obi-Wan about Padme’s pregnancy. Obi-Wan tells him he has a son, who has been put safely into hiding. Anakin asks him where Luke is. Following Yoda’s orders, Obi-Wan refuses to tell him. To Anakin, this appears to be confirmation of what Palpatine and Dooku told him. Anakin advances toward Obi-Wan, demanding to know where Luke is. Obi-Wan, sensing Anakin’s change, tells him he cannot disclose, that the Council has ordered him not to. Anakin engages his lightsabre. Obi-Wan tells him that he does not want to fight him. Anakin says “Tell me where my son is.” Obi-Wan replies “I can’t. I’m sorry.” Anakin moves to attack Obi-Wan, who engages his lightsabre. They fight fiercely, with Obi-Wan on the defensive. Anakin fights with all of his rage, and Obi-Wan is barely able to defend himself against Anakin. During the fight, Anakin’s japor medallion falls to the ground. In the fighting, Anakin oversteps, and is parried away by Obi-Wan. Anakin slips, and is hanging on for dear life over the lava pit. Obi-Wan tries to save Anakin but cannot; Anakin falls into the pit. Obi-Wan is ashamed by this, and feels guilty. He feels directly responsible for the deaths of Padme and Anakin. He walks over to Padme’s body, places the medallion on her neck, and leaves, carrying Padme’s body.

Just after Obi-Wan leaves, Palpatine enters the area. He had sensed their battle going on, and waited for the battle to end. Through the force, Palpatine knew of Anakin’s fall into the pit. Palpatine, using the Force from a distance, protects Anakin as he is engulfed in lava. He levitates Anakin from the pit using the Force. Despite Palpatine’s protection, Anakin is badly injured and practically dead. Palpatine takes Anakin with him.

XVI. NABOO/TATOOINE

Obi-Wan takes Padme’s body to Naboo, and buries her near where her family’s house was. By this time, Naboo is an abandoned, smoldering ruin, with virtually nothing distinguishable remaining. It appears that all the Naboo and Gungans have been killed by the occupying clones, who left thereafter to join with the Republic Clonetroopers. Obi-Wan then goes to Tatooine, and tells Owen and Beru of what has taken place. He tells them that Anakin is dead, that his training has failed, and that he cannot train another Jedi. He renounces the name Obi-Wan, changing his name to Ben Kenobi. Owen and Beru keep Luke, and agree to raise him. Ben tells them that there will come a time when Luke will seek him out, and that they should let him go. Beru seems to accept this, but Owen snorts at Obi-Wan, saying that the Jedi have caused nothing but heartache for his family. Ben respectfully leaves.

XVII. CORUSCANT

Meanwhile, in the dark lower levels of Coruscant, Anakin is recovering. Anakin is hooked up to life support systems. There are multiple tubes hooked to various parts of Anakin’s body, which is covered by a blanket. We can only see the eyes of his face. There is no hair on the top of his head, which is encased in bandages. A breathing mask, looking not too different from the armor, covers Anakin’s face. Palpatine, through the use of his best surgeons and scientists, commissions the creation of a suit of armor for his apprentice. This suit of armor will perform all of the bodily functions that Anakin no longer can, and will replace Anakin’s non-functioning organs with machine replicas. [The novel will show that upon the success of the suit of armor, Palpatine has the surgeons and scientists killed afterward, so that only he knows about Vader’s creation.] At all points during Anakin’s recovery, Palpatine whispers to him tales of Obi-Wan and the Jedi betraying him, keeping Anakin’s rage burning. Palpatine tells Anakin that only his hate can save him, and the rage and hate on Anakin’s face is noticeable. As Anakin lies on the bed, recuperating, rage still in his eyes, Palpatine tells him: “Anakin Skywalker is dead, my friend. His life ended in the fiery pit. I have rescued your true self from him. You are my apprentice, and your name is now Darth Vader.” Vader nods in agreement. The armor is placed on Vader, he is removed from the machines, and takes his first few faltering steps. Palpatine hands him a lightsabre, and tells him “Together, my friend, we will exterminate the Jedi, those who are responsible for this. It has been foreseen.” Vader, with a renewed sense of purpose, replies “It will be done, my Master.”

XVIII. TATOOINE/ALDERAAN/DAGOBAH

There is a cut to Tatooine to the Lars homestead. Beru is working, while watching newborn Luke lying on his back. Luke begins to cry. Beru and Owen take note of it, with Beru saying “He hasn’t cried like this before. That’s strange.”

There is a cut to Obi-Wan meditating in the desert of the Jundland Wastes of Tatooine. The scene shows Obi-Wan staring into air with eyes wide open, a look of shock on his face…

On Alderaan, Bail Organa and his wife notice baby Leia begin to wail uncontrollably. They look at each other curiously.

Finally, there is a cut to a gigantic tree on Dagobah. The scene unfurls as we enter a cavern formed by the large roots of this tree. Inside the cavern, we notice Yoda meditating peacefully. Suddenly, Yoda begins to shake as though having a nightmare. He stops shaking. Yoda opens his eyes wide and says “No….”
THE END

[Zed]

Well, Scarface 98.9 that was the best damn thing I have EVER read about Episode III

I don't know if is true or if its false......but it is false then certanly IT SHOULD BE TRUE (send it to George Lucas right now).

If someone you know wrote that....then tell him or her that he's (she's) waisting his time......he should became an screenwritter right now. (or ask him/her about the price of this green stuff that he's/she's smoking)

That beats everything written in the last four pages.....

When I was reading it......I felt and undersotood Anakin's anger......and I didn't find no much plot holes.

Well, Leia could remember Padme as a baby. Who's said babies can't remember?

And the Dagobah Cave......well, maybe there's no such terrible things in there.

Again.....this is the best I have read about Episode III.


PS: The destruction of Naboo make me think of a terrible Jar Jar dead! Is so cool!!!! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif


[This message has been edited by Zed (edited 06-20-2002).]

[noisy_brut]

I enjoyed your treatment, however there are a few things you left out. What is the ending of the Qui Gon storyline? And what is the answer to why he didn't disappear. Also who is Sifo Dyas?

I still think that Qui Gon is Sifo Dyas. He was Dooku's Padawan, and was rebellious. Also he died in Episode I which was 10 years before II and Obi Wan states that Sifo Dyas dies 10 years prior.

Things I have read on other boards to support this:
It is possible he was dissatisfied with the Jedi Council. Dooku left just before the events of Episode I. Qui Gon could have met with him secretly and Dooku could have tried to concvince him to join. Dooku would not have told him everything, but Qui Gon could have been convinced to put in the order for the Clone Army, thinking it was for a different reason. He was being used as a pawn just as the Trade Federation was in Ep. I.

Also take into consideration Dooku's line: "Don't be sure my young Jedi. You forget that he was once my apprentice just as you were once his. He knew about all the corruption in the Senate, but he never would have gone along with it if he had learned the truth as I have." Does this mean "had he lived he never would have gone along" or does it mean "he never would have done what he did if he knew the truth?"

Now if he has begun to go against the council, and is walking the line between serving and betraying...and since he does have doubts about the Jedi Council it could contribute to the reason as to why he did not disappear when he died.

[Zing!]

Wow! That was a fun read! Aside from the unexplained plot points (Qui-Gon and Safo-Dyas) I thought it was very well thought out. I do think, though, that if Episode III followed this storyline, it would be about four hours long! When I read the last paragraph with everyone realizing that Anakin/Vader was still alive - I got goosebumps!

"It will be done, my Master." Cool shite!

[Zed]

I didn't agree with the lenght of the film.

That can be told in a little more of 2 hours....and definitely less than 2:15

There are many parts in the plot than can be treated briefly.

[James Logan]

Scarface, that was a FANTASTIC read. The actual film probably won't be like that, but hell...it SHOULD be! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif On what board did you find it?

Seriously, that was a very good plot, and if the movie is as good as that, then I'm satisfied. The ending was especially cool.

As for the whole Qui-Gon and Sifo Dyas thing, it sure isn't resolved in the plot Scarface gave us, but it could very easily be inserted in it. All you need is to put Qui-Gon's ghost into a couple of scenes (maybe in the final duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin) to explain that he is Sifo Dyas, that he got the Clone Army created following Dooku's orders, and why he did it all. I think that could be a very intense scene, seeing Obi-Wan's and Anakin's reaction to that (knowing Anakin should agree with Qui-Gon, whom he always liked for trusting his abilities).

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I am telling you guys, even with those two plot holes (the Tree on Daghoba and Qui-Gon/Sifo-Dias) that is the best that Episode III could ever be. It has the big space battles, several awesome lightsaber duels, large army battles, and a shit-load of oher good stuff. Although I do have a problem with the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel. I thought (and hope) that Anakin loses some limbs. I saw a picture once of Anakin with no arms and one leg, and half of his mid-section gone (drawing of course) in a life-tube (or whatever) and it was a truly chilling image. I think the fina duel should have Obi-Wan getting really pissed too, anddealing Anakin more damage than necessary because of this anger. I fear, however, that this read will be more enjoyable than the REAL Episode III. Some things Lucas just wont do (Dooku killing Padme, I think) are in this idea.

[Scarface98.9]

if Lucas wants a dark movie, he'll need the dark things listed and not cower behind his precious PG rating. since when has a really dark movie been PG?

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

http://www.bewarethesith.com/new6.gif

Just thought it was cool.

[Zed]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by James Logan:
Scarface, that was a FANTASTIC read. The actual film probably won't be like that, but hell...it SHOULD be! </font>


That's exactly what I think.

Of course DF is right about the rating....but....an exception for his fans will be fine http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I insist that this is the best treatment that I heard about Episode III, specially because explains why Anakin turns to the dark side.

(If you ask me, if something like this happens to me......I'll do the exact same things that Anakin does in that plot).

[Scarface98.9]

I don't really think there's any big mystery about Sifo/Qui Gonn and y he disappeared. Sifo is Sidious. and Qui Gon died because of a sudden death, instead of a prepared death like Yoda and Obi. but regardless, I was glad this treatment agreed w/ me about Boba Fett not even being in the movie

[James Logan]

I say we do the only thing real fans can do to change things:

1°) We hijack the Skywalker Ranch
2°) We kidnap George Lucas
3°) We force him to base his movie on THIS treatment
4°) We force him to sign a contract making Lawrence Kasdan the official screenwriter of EPISODE III
5°) We brainwash him so he forgets everything about merchandising and ratings

And then I think EPISODE III could very well be the best Star Wars flick ever! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Ok, I found another problem. What abot RS-D2 and C-3PO? It isnt a big deal they can be taken care of relativey easily. Like, they were taken to Tatooine, and after Obi-Wan brings the child, he tells them to sell the units. Another problem I solved, would be the Tree. I dont know the rules of the Sith, but since Dooku is pretty much fully-trained, I think it would be possible to train another apprentice. This apprentic could play a very small role, until Obi-Wan is taking Luke to Tatooine. The apprentice follows Obi-Wan as he tries to hide on Dagobah, and there, Obi-Wan forces his ship to crash, stranding the apprentice there. Once Yoda gets there, he kills the apprentice at the site of the tree. Pretty good 'eh?

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Ok, I found another problem. What abot RS-D2 and C-3PO? It isnt a big deal they can be taken care of relativey easily. Like, they were taken to Tatooine, and after Obi-Wan brings the child, he tells them to sell the units. Another problem I solved, would be the Tree. I dont know the rules of the Sith, but since Dooku is pretty much fully-trained, I think it would be possible to train another apprentice. This apprentic could play a very small role, until Obi-Wan is taking Luke to Tatooine. The apprentice follows Obi-Wan as he tries to hide on Dagobah, and there, Obi-Wan forces his ship to crash, stranding the apprentice there. Once Yoda gets there, he kills the apprentice at the site of the tree. Pretty good 'eh?</font>

Well DF unless Lucas plans on rewriting history the whole tree thing will not happen.

It was not a sith but simply a Dark Jedi that Yoda killed on Dagobah, whose energies where sucked into the tree.

Here is the blurb from starwars.com

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Years ago, a group of Jedi in the neighboring Bpfasshi star system went rogue and succumbed to the dark side. Jedi Masters were sent to stop the Dark Jedi insurrection, and one of the fallen Jedi escaped to Dagobah. There in the swamps, the Jedi Master Yoda and the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi fought a terrible battle. The Dark Jedi was killed, and the local flora absorbed his twisted energies.

In the first year of the Empire, the scout Keog Boorn continued in Four-Den's footsteps. The superstitious scout barely had time to complete a standard survey, as he fled the fearsome planet, marking it as not worth the effort of colonization.

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So unless Lucas changes things I do not foresee a Dooku Yoda Dagobah fight.

Out........................

[ak]

I understand the situation, but it is my belief that the Yoda/Dooku conflict needs a resolution.
Yoda is the master, but didn't quite get the opportunity to kill Dooku in Episode II because he brought the metal pillar down on Obi Wan and Anakin.
I got the impression from the look on Yoda's face after the battle, that he wasn't quite finished (Maybe I was reading too much into it, but this was a definite impression).

[James Logan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Ok, I found another problem. What abot RS-D2 and C-3PO? It isnt a big deal they can be taken care of relativey easily. Like, they were taken to Tatooine, and after Obi-Wan brings the child, he tells them to sell the units. </font>

Sell the units AND erase their memory. Don't forget the memory erasing part, it's the most important one.

[James Logan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ak:
I understand the situation, but it is my belief that the Yoda/Dooku conflict needs a resolution.
Yoda is the master, but didn't quite get the opportunity to kill Dooku in Episode II because he brought the metal pillar down on Obi Wan and Anakin.
I got the impression from the look on Yoda's face after the battle, that he wasn't quite finished (Maybe I was reading too much into it, but this was a definite impression).</font>

Same impression here. That treatment Scarface posted was good, but it left out to many subplots unresolved. So we're still gonna talk a lot about EPIII until it comes out lol.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Ok, I solved the problem again. The Jedi that deflected on Alderaan (the ones that helped Dooku) follow Obi-Wan and they get stranded on Dagobah (well, the one, the others die in the crash). Yoda goes there, and than fights him. As for the Yoda vs. Dooku and Sidious - I dont like or think they are necessary. The film feels more complete, and less "lets get as many big battles in as we can". I dont think Yoda or Dooku would go looking to fight one another again. I would also add scenes on at the end that show Vader killing the remaining Jedi, and end the movie with a Luke around 11 looking out into the sunset on Tatooine. awwwwwwwwwwwww

[James Logan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
I would also add scenes on at the end that show Vader killing the remaining Jedi... </font>

That I would do too, especially with a cool John Williams music to wrap it up! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/cool.gif

But you know what the real problem is, guys? I actually think we're giving this a lot more thought George Lucas does...

[Zed]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by James Logan:
Sell the units AND erase their memory. Don't forget the memory erasing part, it's the most important one.

</font>


I don't think that the units got to be sell.

Both droid could stay in Alderan as property of the Alliance.

Just think in that: Bail Organa erase their memory to protect Leia's existence secret and gave them two to Capt. Antilles (the guy who own the droids in Episode IV).

Didn't sounds ilogical to me....

[Americana]

So many thought's so little answers!!!

[Zed]

Well, maybe I got some fresh ideas tomorrow. I wil watch Episode II until today at midnight. (Schedule release date in Costa Rica).

(....and you ask me why I love New Line Cinema......they know what "World Release" means!!! )

[Zed]

Well, I got a question.

In Episode VI: Return of the Jedi, at the new end, we can see a huge celebration in several different planets.

One of them is Tantooine.

My question is: Why Tantooine is celebrating the end of the Empire if they were not a planet controlled by the Empire???

I don't know. I think in that yesterday and seems like an incongruence to me.

[James Logan]

It IS controlled by the Empire. But under the New Republic, it wasn't run by the Trade Federation (Trade Federation and Empire are different, btw). Only when Palpatine became Emperor did it fall under the Empire's jurisdiction, like the rest of the galaxy.

[ColinM]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by James Logan:
It IS controlled by the Empire. But under the New Republic, it wasn't run by the Trade Federation (Trade Federation and Empire are different, btw). Only when Palpatine became Emperor did it fall under the Empire's jurisdiction, like the rest of the galaxy.</font>

Beat me to it. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif You're exactly right.

[jdaw4210]

Here are my predictions for Episode 3

Title??
Im just listing a couple titles I think it could have.

SWE3 Fall To The Darkside
SWE3 Fall Of The Republic

How does Mace Windu die?
I think Boba Fett will go back to his home planet (name??) and get Growth Acceleration. Than he will go fight Mace Windu and kill a few other jedi in the process.

How does Padme die and how does Anakin turn?
I think Sidious and Dooku will arange Padme's death. I think they must know about their marriage and somehow frame Obi-Wan. saying he knows about the marraige. That will drive Anakin way over the edge and he challanges Obi-Wan. I know for a fact that it is in a strange place. I have a picture. It looks like a volcano. Obi-Wan will try to convince Anakin that it wasn't him. Obi-Wan will strike Anakin and hit his lightsaber handle. It will than explode and knock Anakin into the fiery pits. Sidiouus will than save him.

What about Jar Jar?
No predictions... I just hope he gets it good.

Email me with more preditions.
jdawg212@hotmail.com

[jdaw4210]

Dude! Sifo-Dyas. Its soooooooo obvious who he is. Darth Sidious. Sifo-Dyas Sidious. SOunds the same. He wanted to start the Clone Wars.

[bromy]

I haven't read all of the thread so sorry if some of this has come up.

-R2 and 3PO get their memories wiped.
-Dooku will kill Padme and pin it on Obi-Wan.
=Luke gets stuck with the Lars family (of course)
-Anakin slices dooku up real nice after he finds out he killed padme.
-Jar Jar dies somehow (I'm serious about this I actually think he will die, though knowing lucas it will be some serious and memorable death)
-We may see some TIE's maybe some X-Wings (not as half-assed cameo's btw)
-Vader and Picard will finally fight it out to see who has the better fran..... no wait, that's just day-dreaming, well later.

[Eelco]

Maybe Jar Jar Binks was on Alderaan when it was blown up by the Death Star in episode IV?! So, maybe Jar Jar Binks will remain alive and kicking during episode III! This would be a very bad thing for Jar Jar Binks-haters, because it will be a swift death and not a wanted slow and painful death!

[James Logan]

George Lucas says EPIII will be very dark, darker than any other movie in the series. Still, I don't think we should trust him about killing a lot of characters, especially the good guys. For instance, in RETURN OF THE JEDI, in the original script, Lawrence Kasdan had wrote it so that Han Solo died in a heroic way bombing the shield generator on Endor, considering it would give more drama to the climax of the movie. Harrison Ford agreed and also thought Han should kick the bucket. But Lucas refused, he didn't want any of the nice good guys to die in the movie because he wanted a happy-end and the younger audience wouldn't like it. That's also why only two Ewoks die in the WHOLE battle against the "elite" Stormtroopers. And that's also why, in EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, Han's torture scene is cut short, and Anakin's rampage in ATTACK OF THE CLONES is cut short too: Lucas doesn't want to "scare the younger viewers".
So I really don't know how he's gonna write EPIII. Because this time, he HAS to kill most of the characters we know, and make the ending very, very dark. He'll have to stop thinking about kids and merchandising to do that.

[Zed]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by James Logan:
Lucas doesn't want to "scare the younger viewers".</font>

Well, that's what you have to sacrifice to obtain an "All Audience" movie.

I'm also sure that Episode III will also be made to obtain the same category.....but certanly we will have a couple heads out of their necks.......

......(Jar Jar and Mace Windu got my votes!!!!)

[APzombie]

Lucas also said that Episode II would be the scariest of the series back after Episode I's release, we know that Episode II wasn't that scary by any means.

One thing is for sure with Episode III, alot of folks will die.

[noisy_brut]

A good title would be Episode III: The Hunt for Anakin, it will probably be something along the lines of The Balance of the Force.

I would love to see (this will be a quick overview) Padme will get pregnant, Before she has a chance to inform Anakin, he is sent on a mission. She informs Obi Wan that she is pregnant, he is able to sense that it is Anakin.

Anakin is then thrown out of the Jedi Order. He is taken out of the Chambers by two Jedi that he overtakes and kills, and then the other Jedi start to hunt for him to bring him down. He takes them out one by one. (That is only one storyline, haven't mixed in the Dooku/Palpatine storyline yet)

[Zed]

Sounds good to me....but it didn't sound much as a George Lucas script!

[FooDew13]

Howdy, been reading through these posts, and I can't wait for it to come out. I recently received a script (obviously fake) for SWIII. Nonetheless, it's entertaining to read through some parts.

It's fake because....

Han Solo has a large part in the movie as an adult.

Boba Fett does end up killing Windu.

Lots of wookies are in the script.

Lots of typos in the script.

And many other things that are obviously never going to happen. But if you want a copy I'd be more than willing to email it to you. Just send me an email asking for it and I'll get it to you as quickly as possible.

FooDew13@hotmail.com

[James Logan]

Originally posted by FooDew13
Howdy, been reading through these posts, and I can't wait for it to come out. I recently received a script (obviously fake) for SWIII. Nonetheless, it's entertaining to read through some parts.

It's fake because....

Han Solo has a large part in the movie as an adult.

Boba Fett does end up killing Windu.

Lots of wookies are in the script.

Lots of typos in the script.

And many other things that are obviously never going to happen. But if you want a copy I'd be more than willing to email it to you. Just send me an email asking for it and I'll get it to you as quickly as possible.

FooDew13@hotmail.com

As a STAR WARS fan, I'd be glad to check it out, so send it over at cascador@wanadoo.fr if you can. :cool:

[APzombie]

I think it would be very interesting to see tie fighters and some memerable crafts from A New Hope, and start to see less of the high tech gizmo things that the galexy wouls soon see a loss of...

[Boba Joe]

I concluded that Boba Fett will kill Mace Windu in EPISODE III about 20 minutes after I saw ATTACK OF THE CLONES. It's so obvious, but here's the catch. Fett will not just kill Windu, he will destroy him.
That's why in EMPIRE, Darth Vader reminds Fett..."no disintegrations". The mystery of Jedi Master "Sifo-Dyas" should be resolved in III as well. It could be that Sifo-Dyas is really Palpatine (Sidious) and made that critical call to Kamino. But that "strange look" between Yoda and Windu when Obi-Wan Kenobi mentioned Sifo-Dyas makes me think that the Jedi Masters aren't telling Kenobi everything as it pertains to Sifo-Dyas.
I'm still not sure what will exactly happen with Padme Amidala.
Everyone is saying that she will die in the movie. That may be true, but remember that Leia had visions of her mother while Luke did not. If Padme does die, I would think that Leia would have to be at least a few years old to register any memories of her mother. But I hear that Padme might be pregnant in this movie, so I doubt the movie would continue to show "2 years" worth of time in under 2 hours. Padme's death would surely put Anakin Skywalker over the edge. However, I think Padme has to survive this movie so she can go into hiding with Leia with the help of Senator Bail Organa.
I also believe that Kenobi will drop off Yoda on the isolate world of Dagobah on his way to take Luke to Tattooine. In "Empire" as everyone remembers, Luke said that it reminded him "like something out of a dream". Luke's memories of Dagobah are like Leia's memories of Padme, so it's difficult to tell where Lucas will place the children's ages in EPISODE III. Also, the droids have to have their memory erased to explain why they don't remember the Lars family, Obi-Wan and Tattooine itself in EPISODE IV. I just hope that George can tie the two trilogies together and have everything click together nicely. We'll see.

[whitemat]

I watched Episode II again last night and I noticed that Palpatine suggests and in fact down right insists that the Jedi see to Padme's protection in the beginning. I think he knew that Kenobi and Anakin would get assigned to protecting her and I think he knows maybe through the force or maybe through his talks with Anakin that Anakin loves Padme (Anakin says in Episode II that he's thought about her everyday since they parted). So he puts them together knowing that Anakin's love for her will grow. Then in Episode III he Palpatine will kill or arrange for the death of Padme and that will turn Anakin over to the dark side.

Palpatine has to have some motive for putting Padme under the protection of the Jedi. I mean he really doesn't care about her safety and everybody else said that Jedi protecting her was overkill, that it wasn't needed but Palpatine insisted. Why would he do that unless he had some kind of motive.

Palpatine is a smart ass man and is fast becoming my favorite star wars character. I can't wait till he takes over and whoops Yoda's little ass.

[jeo4]

I have several thoughts about Episode III.

Darth Sidious revealed: I wouldn't be surprised if the revelation of Sidious happened after most of the Jedi had died. It makes sense to have him reveal himself when it's actually too late for anyone to stop him. It happens when it's too late.

Padme will more than likely have the kids. nobody knows but her and Yoda. In Empire, Obi Wan tells him that Luke is their only hope. Yoda's response: "No there is another." Yoda separates the twins and sends Luke with Obi Wan to deliver to Owen. Nobody knows but the two of them. Vader has no clue where he is going or what his cargo is.
Padme just might make it to Alderaan with Leia before being executed as a traitor, or assassinated when Sidious turns on her. I believe she will die, at the hands of the new Emperor or at the hands of Tyrannus. Upon her death, Yoda hands Leia over to senator Bail Organa, to be raised as his own child. The Sith are none the wiser.

Vader time: Padme's death would send Anakin into the rage that ultimately turns him to the dark side. I suspect that Palpatine will try to soothe him with words of the dark side, and he will blame Tyrannus, aka Count Dooku. He could also say that the Jedi knew it would happen and they let it happen anyway, turning Anakin on the council. Anakin will fly into a rage and battle Dooku to the death. He then rampages through Coruscant ambushing and killing the jedi. His transformation to Vader is almost complete when he faces Obi Wan. When he does, he loses. His rage gets in the way of clear judgement, and Obi Wan strikes him down. He is left for dead when Sidious moves him to the Bacta tank and proceeds to create cyborg fittings for his new Sith Lord.

Grudge matches: Since Mace Windu took the life of Jango, Boba Fett wants to even the score. While evening the odds, he disintegrates Windu into dust using a detonation device. In the process of becoming the galaxy's most notorius bounty hunter, he decides to take a job working for the Emperor, hunting down Jedi and preparing an ambush for them. He tips Sidious off, and Vader does the killing. Vader fights all of them to the death, save for his former master and of course Yoda. They could fight him as a team. It's a possibility.

Send out the clones: According to most of the books, the clones become unstable after periods of time. In many cases, they aren't very stable to begin with. Raised as drones, they go mad very easily, and they turn on superiors or creators. If I had to make one call here, it's that the clones will systematically turn on each other and the Republic, making it easier for Sidious to become Emperor.

Droids: I believe that the droids will go with Bail Organa and be assigned to his own guard, and that they eventually meet Captain Antilles. They are used as courtesans for Leia until she gets older and more independent. Eventually, Antilles takes over as their master.

As an aside, I think the reason Owen doesn't recognize the droids is because they do look much different in Episode IV. He seemed indifferent to them when he saw them in IV, but when you've seen one droid, you've seen them all. R2 units and protocol droids included.

More later.

[APzombie]

I hope one of my big questions are answerd in Episode III; If the Clone Troopers become the Storm Troopers and Snow Troopers, why is it that Luke and Han do not notice that the two Storm Troopers they beat up to get the uniforms in A New Hope were the same person?

[jeo4]

I'm leaning toward the idea of the clones destroying one another and being replaced with humans instead of other clones. I don't think that the clones are going to last through EP III. Just a thought.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by APzombie
I hope one of my big questions are answerd in Episode III; If the Clone Troopers become the Storm Troopers and Snow Troopers, why is it that Luke and Han do not notice that the two Storm Troopers they beat up to get the uniforms in A New Hope were the same person?

Maybe they did notice. But imagine you live in their galaxy, AP, and you know all about the Clone Wars and the Clone Troopers...then in that case, if you knock out two troopers and take their uniforms, you won't be surprised AT ALL that they're the same guy, because you know Stormtroopers are clones.

Then again, it's just a theory.

[APzombie]

Originally posted by James Logan
Maybe they did notice. But imagine you live in their galaxy, AP, and you know all about the Clone Wars and the Clone Troopers...then in that case, if you knock out two troopers and take their uniforms, you won't be surprised AT ALL that they're the same guy, because you know Stormtroopers are clones.

Then again, it's just a theory.

Nice theory, but you have to remember that Luke knew practicly nothing about the history of the Jedi and the Empire... He didn't even know what the force was at the begining of A New Hope. Until then he was just a farmers boy and likely all he knew was that the Empire was corupt and the Jedi were fearce knights to protect the Galaxy.

Han on the other hand, had nothing to do with the rebelion and the Empire until he met Luke, he was just a smuggling gambler who only was concerned about himself and his bud Chewy.

[James Logan]

Good thinking too, AP. I guess the only way to know for sure is to see EPIII, huh? :)

[Zed]

Originally posted by jeo4
I have several thoughts about Episode III.


Vader time: Padme's death would send Anakin into the rage that ultimately turns him to the dark side. I suspect that Palpatine will try to soothe him with words of the dark side, and he will blame Tyrannus, aka Count Dooku. He could also say that the Jedi knew it would happen and they let it happen anyway, turning Anakin on the council. Anakin will fly into a rage and battle Dooku to the death. He then rampages through Coruscant ambushing and killing the jedi. His transformation to Vader is almost complete when he faces Obi Wan. When he does, he loses. His rage gets in the way of clear judgement, and Obi Wan strikes him down. He is left for dead when Sidious moves him to the Bacta tank and proceeds to create cyborg fittings for his new Sith Lord.



I think that Anakins turn into the Dark Side is the less mysterious thing in the whole Episode III.

Anakin and Obi-Wan fights and Anakin falls into a burning pit. This seems like a fact in the Star Wars histories.

Then....possibly we will watch Palpatine saving him (of course when there's no much Anakin left) and changing him into Darth Vader. I think that will happend with or without Padme's death.

Another suggestion:

Yoda hiddes Padme & Twins from Anakin (because he knows that he will ventually turn into the Dark Side).
Then Obi-Wan meets Anakin. Anakin ask him where Padme is. Obi-Wan says that she's dead (following Yoda's adnice even when is not true). Anakin gets pissed and fights Obi Wan.....then he fall into the pit...etc, etc, etc.

This is pretty much the same that was in a treatment in the previous pages....just without Padme assesination. A lot more in the George Lucas style.

Is just another possiblility.

[Terrell]

I actually think we're giving this a lot more thought George Lucas does...

Yes, just what I'd love to see. The people on this board make Episode III. I say if you guys think you're that good, go out and make your own film. Let's see how good you guys really are.:p

As for that fan written synopsis for Episode III. It's pretty good. But c'mon, you guys read this and say this is as good as Episode III could get? C'mon! I hope that's not as good as Episode can be. It's not even remotely correct anyway. Lucas has already stated that after the opening crawl, it pans down to a huge space battle at the beginning of the film. Supposedly, the end of the Clone Wars will take up approximately 4-45 minutes of the beginning of the film. Then it will concentrate on Anakin's fall. Lucas also hinted that there will be tie fighters, and Anakin will be leading a squadron of tie fighters piloted by clone troopers into battle, just as Vader did.

If the Clone Troopers become the Storm Troopers and Snow Troopers, why is it that Luke and Han do not notice that the two Storm Troopers they beat up to get the uniforms in A New Hope were the same person?

Han and Luke weren't even alive during these prequels. Why should they care whether or not the storm troopers were the same. They didn't know there were clone troopers. They could have been twins for all they know. I don't imagine that was much of a concern.

You know, some things inevitably aren't going to get explained, nor should they. For the most part, the main points of the story are consistent, and don't need explaning. But I don't even thing Lucas should waste his time explaining niggling little details like that. They don't matter. Just deal with the major points. If anything, the one problem I have with the prequels is that Lucas is trying to explain too much. Any film franchise of any length is going to have some small inconsistencies.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, I'm hoping for a great movie, but I know that it isn't going to happen. I don't think Episode III is going to be helped, as every other film was, by the name alone. SW is not the same kind of, cultural phenomenon that it used to be; in fact, I can't really remember seeing any commercials (other than the Doritos commercial) and I sure don't remember any television specials. Oh well,... On to my predictions for Episode III:

- bad writing

AotC, and TPM (hell, even the OT) have some horrible, horrible writing. I mean, the whole 'sand' line, in AotC - it about made me embaressed to be in the theater. Shit, even my girlfriend laughed at that line, and she is pretty corn-riffic.

- stilted/forced/bad dialouge delivery, and bad acting

Although there some very good performances in these prequals, (Obi-Wan/Ewan McGregor, and Plapatine) there is also some God-awful performances, and delivery of dialouge. Also, I think Samuel L. Jackson was a horrible choice for Mace Windu. And let us not forget Natalie Portman; who can do great in everything but these films.

- CGI overload

Enough said. Actually, i'll just restate it - there is too much fucking CGI!!! If this film follows suit with the other two, we might as well call this Final Fantasy 2.

- kick-ass light-saber battle

Not much to say. Light-saber battles kick ass. Especially Maul vs. Obi-Wan, and Qui-Gon. The Anakin/Obi-Wan/Yoda vs. Dooku was kinda weak though.

- stupid-ass, fucking humour

Sorry, but R2, and 3PO were not fucking funny, at all!! Their "humour" during the final battle in AotC was fucking ridiculously stupid. But,...oh well,......


Ok, that is it. No more expectations for this one.

[James Logan]

Well, Fokkie, I guess it just ain't your bag. :) Personally I love the original trilogy, enjoyed TPM and loved AOTC, so I'm eagerly waiting for EPISODE III. It's got me more excited than THE TWO TOWERS and HARRY POTTER AND THE CHAMBER OF SECRETS put together.... :p

[Zed]

Wel, I got a middle point between you guys.

I have to agree with DF about Lucas mistakes in Episodes I and II, specially in the screenwritting dialogues. I don't even blame Natalie for her performance.........you really can do much when you have to say those lausy lines..........

But I do considered that visually the Episode III will be as good as AOTC. also it will be easier for George Lucas to make a solid script without much dialogues.......he can do the major part with images. I'm pretty sure that the Episode III will be the best one of the current trilogy.

Then, I can't say that I'm not expecting the Episode III, but there are other movies now (specially the remaining two secuels of The Lord of the Rings) climbing in my "Most Expected movies" list.

[APzombie]

One thing i didn't enjoy with Episode I and somewhat with episode II is that their defieing purpose is to set up the next moive... During Episode I we KNOW that Anakin will become Darth Vader, they didn't have to have so many subtle hints everywhere when he was too young to even carry a lightsaber, the whole story couldn't stand on its own two feet and every scene seemed to come with a tag saying "just wait till the next two".

It is sad because the original Star Wars stood firmly on its own two feet because they did not now they could make a sequal, even The Empire Strikes Back held its ground firmly because it was half of the rest of a story, and it has it chapters. The new ones are mostly just showing what we ultimatley know will happen and depicting that as the main plot.

[El Muerto]

The Emperor will tell Anakin that he is his real father.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by El Muerto
The Emperor will tell Anakin that he is his real father.

Yeah right...I don't think so. No way Jose. :p

[docholiday_13]

I must say there have been some very promising predictions here. So much in fact, it makes me wonder if Lucas will be able to fuck this up. Here's some of my theories:

Obi Wan will lead a clone army. Remember Leia addresses him as General Kenobi in A New Hope. Also we'll probaly see Anakin do some trippy ass flying during a huge space battle. Everyone always says to Luke how good his pops was at flying. It would be nice to see some proof of this.

I don't know how Boba Fett could kill Mace Windu. Mace is a friggin Jedi Master. Boba's some punk kid with revenge issues. Mace needs a noble death, and getting greased by some long haired pimply kid with a jetpack is not noble.

I think Lucas will give Jar Jar a heroic death. Maybe he'll try to protect the twins from Anakin and get killed.

During the battle between Obi Wan and Anakin, Anakin will fall down into the volcano thingy (as is known) but he'll be able to hold onto something and ask Obi Wan to help him up. Obi Wan will try but Anakin will still fall to his fiery much deserved death.

Padme should be naked the entire movie and Obi Wan should become a very bitter pothead.

OBI WAN:
Why the fuck didn't I get Padme? I killed that Maul motherfucker. I saw my master killed. I have the cool accent.
(takes a bong hit)
All that brat did was win a stupid fucking pod race..............girly looking little punk. I'm going to rub shit on his lightsaber.

I'm not funny.

[Linus*likes*noise]

:D yes you are! good shite!

[APzombie]

I really hope that we will see pure space battles!!! Just ships and space!!

There hasent been any of that since the original trilogy, half of the old films took place on ships in space, hardley ever on planets...

The Phantom Menace had one very puney space battle that was put in just to deny any complaints that there was not one.

Attack of the Clones had a astroide feild scene that was preety good with the exception that the backdrop was just cgi astroides, it could have taken place in a cave for all we could have known...

I guess a classic stary sky backdrop is just too cheap these days...

[SenorSpielbergo]

Who thinks Vader and Yoda will have a lightsaber duel???

[APzombie]

i don't think that Yoda will kick it with a saber again. I wouldn't want the event in Attack of the Clones to be drawn out. I mean if theres going to be one in Episode III, lets say it ends up being better, his duel in Attack of the Clones wouldn't be as special (even if it wasn't better)...

I think Yoda will be emotionaly and mentally hurt in Episode III, his age can physically damage him enough. It would be odd to see him mad ass hell swinging his saber against the dark side in episode III, skip an episode, and see him next as the calm little jokester in The Empire Strikes Back.

I also hope we won't see a fully dark-side Vader with a lightsaber, but instead Anakin, with a RED lightsaber killing the second greatest Jedi of all time... Mace Windu....

It makes the Vader/Obi-Won match in A New Hope 10x as powerful! We have the chance to see Anakin fully take form as the Empire's henchman against his own old master who we know is like a father to him. Then we will definatley know that there would be no turning back for Anak-.... Darth Vader!

[Zing!]

This is part of a post from someone named Grilled Sarlacc over at theforce.net. It gives an excellent overview of what is known about Episode III so far...


JUST THE FACTS: Everything that is known about Episode III

March 2nd, 1997; Lucas said in a BBC Radio One: "...the third film will be the darkest of the prequels."


April 21, 1998; Lucas Interview: "Luke failed his challenge in Empire Strikes Back in that the only thing he lost was his hand. Anakin will fail his challenge but it will cost him his soul."


April 23, 1999; Premiere interview with Lucas: (And the next episodes in the prequel series will be darker than Episode I?) "By their very nature. The next one isn't so bad. The third one's pretty bad." (That's when Anakin goes over to the dark side and becomes Darth Vader?) "Yes. Episode III will probably make half of whatever the others make..."


May 2, 1999; Rick McCallum at the Denver Star Wars celebration: "George Lucas will "unquestionably" be directing Episode Three." McCallum also revealed the third prequel begins filming in June 2003 and will be released in May 2005.


February 24th, 2000; McCallum Interview on the Prequels with InsideReel.com: "Dangerous. Dark in a gentle darkening way. But all to say it's the story of the fold. How do you get this perfect kid that, if you're a parent, is the kind of kid that any parent would love to be able to have and what happens to him. Is it ego? Is it pride? Is it environment? Is it genetics that actually turns him into who he becomes? What is it that makes somebody feel better than somebody else? What is the Dark Side in us? Why do we do horrible things to people, especially people that we love? And then, what are the consequences when we do them? Why can't we stop ourselves? All those are the central basic themes of what Episodes II and III are about. It's the downward spiral."


May 31, 2000; TFN Spy Report: Jimmy Smits will appear in Episode Three. What's very interesting is the fact that Smits has been promised his character's part will be significantly expanded in Episode Three.


February 10th, 2001; Empire Magazine Lucas Interview: "...if you start with Star Wars, then Vader’s just the villain, and that’s it. But you don’t realize that he’s a human being, that he’s got problems you don’t realize that he could have been saved, that he was tricked and can be resurrected."


Mar 19, 2001; James Earl Jones spoke at a lecture: When asked whether he would do Darth Vader for Episode III "Are you kidding?" he says, which is a good point: Who else are they going to get? I saw George Lucas in Idaho and asked, ‘Do I work again?’ and he said, ‘Well, at some point in the third episode [of the new trilogy, which is about the transformation of young Anakin Skywalker into the evil Darth Vader], Darth will become bionic and he should sound like you then.’ He said there might be no more than five minutes at the end. "And I said, ‘Fine, I’ll take whatever you can give me.’"


April 21st, 2001; Lucas Interview: "...the third film is very, very, very dark. It's not a happy movie by any stretch of the imagination. It's a tragedy. Ultimately the final story is between Yoda, Obi-Wan, Anakin and the Padmé. It's really their story. Those four characters."


Mar 27, 2001; Rick McCallum interview in Australian SciFI magazine: "If fans of Obi wan were disappointed that he had a pretty low profile in Ep1, then they are going to be very happy with EpII, and ecstatic about EpIII."


Aug 14, 2001; IMDB: Gabriel Byrne is in talks with George Lucas to appear in the third Star Wars movie. Byrne is set to take a starring role in the third and final Star Wars epic - which is planned for release in 2005. Byrne says of his talks with Lucas, "We're discussing it." But the 51-year-old Irishman confirmed that any decision was months away. He adds, "I think they're still writing the script."


Jun 06, 2001; OS Making of Ep2 Video about location shooting with an emphasis on using Tunisia for Tatooine: Lucas is asked out of nowhere while on the Tunisia set, "So why did you shoot a scene from Episode III today?" He responds with "you'll have to wait six years to find out", but then he goes into a bit more detail. He says that it's the only shot he'd need for Episode III at the Tunisia location, and shooting it now makes more sense than packing up a crew of 60 people down the line. When asked what he'll do if he ends up needing more shots in Tunisia, he replies "Then I don't get them."


Jun 10, 2001; TFN Spy Report on Tatooine Scene Already filmed for Ep3: "The 'one shot' for episode 3 that Lucas got while filming in Tunisia was quite simple but needed for a more emotional scene probably towards the end of Episode 3. Additional interior shots will be added when shooting on the set of Episode 3. Lucas wanted a shot of Obi-wan arriving at Owen and Beru's hovel bringing a little delivery. There was no baby on the set of Episode 2. Just a simple prop that looked like the Jedi was carrying a baby wrapped with cloth.


August 15, 2001; TFN Spy Report on Lava Planet pre-production art work: "When we were doing [Jedi] I remember I had done a series of sketches of Vader's home, and there was a sea of lava that his house looked out on," remember Johnson. "I remember having trouble drawing it because everything was either orange or a shadow; it was very intense. But before we got too far, George said he would save this for somewhere down the line, and I stopped working on it."


Nov 16th, 2001; TV GUIDE Interview with Lucas on Episodes 7-9: (ANY STAR WARS MOVIES AFTER EPISODE III?) "There's nothing written and it's not like I'm contemplating something. I'd have to start from scratch."

(WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU TO DO A THIRD TRILOGY, WITH EPISODES VII, VIII and IX) "Each time I do a trilogy it is ten years out of my life. I'll finish "Episode III" and I'll be 60. And the next 20 years after that I want to spend doing something other than "Star Wars." If at 80 I'm still lively and having a good time and think I can work hard for another 10 years between 80 and 90, I might consider it. But don't count on it. There's nothing written and it's not like I'm contemplating something. I'd have to start from scratch. (The idea of episodes VII, VIII and IX) was more of a media thing than it was me."


March 27, 2002; Samuel L. Jackson - "All the Jedi die in Episode III during the Clone Wars," Jackson told The Sun. "I told George (Lucas) I didn't mind dying, I just didn't want to go out like some punk. George said that was fine and he'd see what he could do about a fitting death scene for Mace."


May 05, 2002; CELEBRATION: Episode III Hints: The first is that in the final prequel,"armageddon" will take place. It was also revealed that pieces of Darth Vader's armor will be seen on several different characters. It will all come together to make the final Vader armor in Episode III.

May 09, 2002; Rick McCallum in New York Post on the Fetts: "You get to understand the relentlessness that Boba has," McCallum says. "Here, and especially in ‘Episode III,’ you’ll understand why he’s so obsessed with destroying any part of the Skywalker family."


May 09, 2002; Stars of Ep2 talk Ep3 on OS:"George has told me nothing. Absolutely nothing," said Hayden shaking his head. "I'll have more mechanical parts in the next one for sure. I'm told I might get to sport the dark helmet. I'd like to kill Mace Windu. I love Sam. He's supposed to be one of the most powerful Jedi." Fans enjoying Padme's midriff in Clones will have a different perspective in three years. "I'm going to be with child," said Portman patting her belly. "The next one, according to George, is going to be a tragedy. It's going to be sad, but I'm looking forward to having more to do."


May 13, 2002; Stars of Ep2 talk Ep3 at AOTC Premiere: Ewan McGregor answered in reference to a question about how much stunt work he would have in the new movie versus what he did in pt.2. The end of the answer was "Obviously, it's no secret. But me and Hayden have this huge battle against each other in Pt. III. So I have to get ready for that."


May 19, 2002; NBC Extra Interviews Stars of Ep2: Lucas: "Well in 3, Anakin becomes Darth Vader so that's about as dark as you can get." Ewan McGregor comments on his upcoming duel with Anakin Skywalker, "we want it to be the biggest baddest fight scene ever set to movies." Hayden on donning the Vader suit, "that will be amazing, to actually, really wear Darth Vader's outfit."


May 22, 2002; Star Wars Insider Interview with Lucas: (Will any OT characters like Tarkin or Chewbacca might appear in Episode III?)""There are some, if I can fit them in, but I won't say who they are. Some key characters are scheduled to be fit in if I can make it work. They are not so integral to the story--it's really done to say, 'Oh look, there's so-and-so.'"


May 27, 2002: E! Daily News interviewed Star Wars creator George Lucas and finally got an answer on the mystery surrounding what R2-D2 and C-3PO should and shouldn't remember of their adventures in the prequels. "Well, one, his brains have, his memory system has been erased and so has R2's. So, they don't remember anything from the first trilogy. I'm telling you something from Episode III, but I shouldn't be telling you that, but I think most of the fans already know that."


Jun 06, 2002; Lucas intervew on ET: "The Clone Wars would end at the beginning of the film, and it would then become very small and personal." Looks like the big battle will be at the beginning, like in ESB.


Jun 24, 2002; Starlog Magazine Interviews Lucas: STARLOG: And isn’t that Qui-Gon Jinn’s [Liam Neeson] voice we hear during Anakin’s attack on the Tusken Raiders who killed Shmi Skywalker [Pernilla August]?
LUCAS: "That’s a fan thing, isn’t it? It’s actually more than that. It’s a plot point. All I can really say is that you’ll find out [more] in the next film. If you thought really hard, you would probably be able to figure it out, but it really is a set-up for the next film. It’s connected with the whole ability to be brought into and become a part of the Force, but still be able to retain YOUR ability – which, up to this point, Anakin couldn’t do. We talked to Liam about [recording new dialogue], and we went back and forth [about it]. This [dialogue] is something we already had [from Menace]. Next time will be a little more complicated."
STARLOG: What about Boba Fett?
LUCAS: “Boba WILL be in Episode III, but his role definitely won’t be larger. He’s in a transition period of becoming a bounty hunter. The next film takes place two or three years later, so Boba would only be 13 and still wouldn’t fit in the suit."
STARLOG: And what about killing Samuel L. Jackson’s character, Mace Windu?
LUCAS: “Sam’s a little concerned that I make it nice and dramatic. It won’t be in the movie’s first scene.”"
STARLOG: What of all the plot threads and character tidbits that remain to be tied up in Episode III are you – the guy who created this whole universe – most excited to get on film?
LUCAS: "The scene where Anakin does actually become Vader is pretty good [as written in Lucas’ Episode III outline]. I mean, I like it. It’s a little in the vocabulary of…I don’t know how much I want to give away…but it’s in the vocabulary of a time – of the 1930s and 1940s. It’s a pretty neat little thing, I think, and hopefully it’s going to work."
STARLOG: Will we see more of Anakin or Darth Vader in Episode III?
LUCAS: "It’s mostly Anakin."

03 October, 2002; James Earl Jones to Voice Darth Vader Again at ORT Toronto: ...As for Star Wars, he really is coming full circle as Vader. Plans are to return him as the voice of Vader in part three of the new Star Wars trilogy, which currently has a release date of 2005. "George Lucas says 'When Anakin goes bionic -- that will be in the last five minutes of episode three -- they will hear you."

He gives his seal of approval to Hayden Christensen, the current Anakin Skywalker and the man who will be Vader. "Aren't you impressed with him?" he says. "I like his whole bearing..."

Not that he feels at all proprietary about who plays Darth. "No," he laughs, "the little kid (The Phantom Menace's Jake Lloyd) got me over that."


Oct 23, 2002; Star Wars Magic of the Myth in Sydney Industry Seminar: Hosted by Anthony Daniels with guests Lorne Peterson and Ben Snow. Lorne stated that: "...the history of the Millenium Falcon will be revealed in Episode III"
"...we will understand why Han Solo has a fondness for the Millenium Falcon."
"...a single catastrophic event will explain how the galaxy changed from those we know in the PT, to those in the OT."

Lorne Peterson was quickly reprimanded by Anthony Daniels and Ben Snow from revealing too much more.


October 28, 2002 / OS Question to Rick McCallum:

Q: When can we expect to see the first trailer for Episode III?
A: "Timing from the last two films would suggest maybe around Thanksgiving of 2004, with the movie coming in the summer of 2005."


Nov 009, 2002; LucasFilm UK was giving a small presentation to the Penguin Group, UK: "...Episode III is going to be the biggest thing ever, partly because of it being 'real time'." When asked "You mean it will only cover 2 hours of Star Wars time?", she replied, "No. What I mean is that when Episode III opens in May 2005, the Clone Wars will be just finishing as the film opens. The Clone Wars last for three years. So the Clone Wars are happening now."


Nov 10, 2002; Italian newspaper reports on local cameramna shooting volcano "footage" for Ep3: Ron Fricke (considered an amazing cinematographer) has been on the Etna (volcano) for a week now, shooting for Episode III. The Italian cameraman explains how he was called for the job: "Lucas figured out it would be cheaper to film a real volcano rather than creating it digitally, and when Etna became "noisy" again a couple of weeks ago, Lucasfilm contacted the italian company Too Motion for which I work."


[Zing! here] I'd like to say a big THANK YOU to Sarlacc for digging up all this info on Ep.III! I'm not plugging the other web-site or anything, but this is only about half of this guy's post. You'll have to go over there to read the rest.

[APzombie]

Way to scoop out the info Zing!

[James Logan]

Well, with all this info, I can imagine EPISODE III more and more every day...boy oh boy am I impatient! :p

[mrdeeds]

The real time set-up does give a good sense of continuity. I can't wait either.... I just hope all the speculation and building of expection does not lead to a let down when Ep III comes out. I do have faith in the Force... not just too sure on Lucas :confused:

[noisy_brut]

In Episode II and IV the final battles occured uninterrupted.

In I, V, and VI the battles had different things going on, with the movie bouncing around between them.

How would you like to see Episode III handle this? I would personally LOVE to see it take the path of I, V, and VI, but instead of bouncing from a Space Battle, to a land battle, to a sabre duel, I would love to see it bounce between sabre duels.

Lets say three big epic battles going on at once. Obi Wan vs. Anakin in one place, Yoda vs Dooku in another and Mace Windu taking on either another un-named Sith, or discovering and being destroyed by Palpatine.

Does anyone think that's interesting, or does it sound confusing going from sabre duel to sabre duel?

[James Logan]

Originally posted by noisy_brut


Lets say three big epic battles going on at once. Obi Wan vs. Anakin in one place, Yoda vs Dooku in another and Mace Windu taking on either another un-named Sith, or discovering and being destroyed by Palpatine.

Does anyone think that's interesting, or does it sound confusing going from sabre duel to sabre duel?

Actually I personally think that if well-directed, such a sequence would be extremely epic and bad-ass.

[APzombie]

I thought that the three way battle scene in Return of the Jedi was very well put together, the suspence never let up.

Though i can't say the same about The Phantom Menace, which was identicle to Return of the Jedi's (ground battle, saber battle, space battle) and toned 5 notches down in the suspence (who cares about gungans and droids, or a Sith who is just carrying out orders, or a cocky kid who we know will live through all of his dumb luck) and toned down 5 notches in the story (do they expect us to hear and understand every word they say when its told by a jabbering Gungan with CGI left and right on the screen to distact us...)

I do think it could be told well in Episode III, I just hope that one of the battles will be a classic space one! We have not seen any pure space battles thus far since Return of the Jedi. I don't count the Jango/ Obi-Won astroide dual because there were so many astroids that you could hardley tell it was not in a cave. The Phantom Menace one was 3 minutes long, if that, and was mostly Anakin inside the Imperial ship. Return of the Jedi had an amazing space battle at the end with so many tie's and star destroyers and x-wings and more explosons you could shake a stick at! Why can't we have that again?!!?!

I said it once and i'll say it again, a simple balck backround with small white dots is to cheap for the almighty ILM, but with it, we are forced to concentrate on the characters inside the ships (and not the astroides or planets or funky neon blue missiles in the backround) which it what we need in Episode III.

[James Logan]

Well, apparently, according to several sources, George Lucas asked Hayden Christensen to put on some bulk and muscle for EPISODE III...I hear he's required to be more impressive physically in the next installment, more like Vader.

[docholiday_13]

Originally posted by James Logan
Well, apparently, according to several sources, George Lucas asked Hayden Christensen to put on some bulk and muscle for EPISODE III...I hear he's required to be more impressive physically in the next installment, more like Vader.


Maybe he should tell him to not be such a fag.

[Boba Joe]

Originally posted by docholiday_13
Maybe he should tell him to not be such a fag.

I would love to hear your definition of the term "fag", because I actually thought Hayden did a pretty good job in the role.

[James Logan]

Originally posted by Bobajoe
I would love to hear your definition of the term "fag", because I actually thought Hayden did a pretty good job in the role.

Same here, so I second Boba's request.

[APzombie]

Lets keep the discussion straight docholiday_13, thers no point in insulting actors without reason backing it up, and to be fair, in the films, Hayden did wink*wink Natlilie Portman ;).

[docholiday_13]

Defination of fag?

Fag = being faggy

[James Logan]

Originally posted by docholiday_13
Defination of fag?

Fag = being faggy

Doc, I think you missed AP's post there.... :p

[docholiday_13]

I saw it, Logan. But someone asked (in a rather snotty way) for my definition of "fag"........so I gave it.

Carry on people!

[Boba Joe]

Originally posted by docholiday_13
I saw it, Logan. But someone asked (in a rather snotty way) for my definition of "fag"........so I gave it.

Carry on people!

Calling the star of a Star Wars a "fag" in the Star Wars forum is pretty outlandish. However, that's your opinion and I have mine.
Some might agree with you, and some might with me. Just for the record, I wasn't being "snotty". You need to stay off of the defensive if you wanna play in these forums.

[Tom Samborski]

I think Anakin Skywalker will kill Queen Amadaila for not supporting the dark forces, and he then becomes Darth Vadar. I think Episode III is going to have a very unhappy ending.

[MrBlack]

I think that George Lucas will write himself in his own screenplay for Star Wars. His character will be evil, and will try to make Anakin jealous of him becuase he is the one having a 3some gay orgy with jar-jar/himself/obi-wan. Lucas's character will try to explain to anakin in the middle of the film that obi-wan and jar-jar's anuses are just to large for him. Anakin will get real mad, slay Lucas's character (but in a freak accident the cg-effects will somehow lapse into the filming of that scene, thereby really killing lucas as he and christenson are acting against a blue screen, on a blue floor, with blue painted on them).

After Lucas's death, Spielberg will take over the film, completely re-writing the movie, and eventually making it about a Rebel expatriate jedi(anakin) who's separated from his parents when the Imperial Army invades Shanghai at the outset of World War XLII. Eventually interned in The Death Star prison camp, Anakin hooks up with several American prisoners led by John Malkovich and becomes the camp mascot … as war tidings become ominous for the Imperials. Then in the second act of the movie he is extracted from The Death Star and forges a friendship on naboo with an alien he names E.T. The adventures they share are priceless, as Anakin tries to hide his new friend, and E.T. tries to get back to his planet. Anakin will become more dark, and the Jedis will then enslave him, leading to the last act of the movie. The ending will be climactic as he leads a mutiny against his brutal captors (Obi-wan and other jedis). Because the ship (the millenium falcon) is in American space territory, a U.S. court must decide the slaves' fate. In an eloquent courtroom speech, ex-president John Quincy Adams' spirit must argue for his life! What a movie! Wow Steven, take it away!