Who Will be the Villian in Spider-Man 2???

[Al Bundy]

I have two possible picks. If you pay attention closely in the movie you'll hear Peter say that he was fired by Dr. Connors, which any adept Spidey fan would know is the name of the Lizard which was one of his arch-enemies. Maybe the writers were trying to tell us something here. Another possibility would be Harry Osborne becoming the next Green Goblin which is what happened in the comic book.

[The Other]

There is talk that I read from a little article in Entertainment Weekly that said there will be two villains in Spider-Man 2, and they are Dr. Octopus and Lizard.

[APzombie]

the 'two villian' path is identicle to batmans movies, this could be interesting...

[EBastard]

BLOW BY BLOW OPINION OF WHAT I THINK SHOULD HAPPEN WITH S-M 2:
-Harry Osbourne as the new Green Goblin,yes.
-Now that Mary Jane isn't a love interest for our web-slinger,Qwen Stacy should definately be introduced.
-The 'two villan' path would definately be a good idea.My pick for the second villan would be The Lizard,Sandman,or Doc Ock.

[Americana]

I don't think they would make harry as the "new" green goblin yet, because it wouldn't look good having the same vilian twice. So I'd go with Doc Ock and Shocker, or Doc Ock and Lizard. Either one would be nice to see. But, I would love to see Venom & Carnage on the big screen kicking Spidey's ass. THat would be sooo amazing to see.


http://spiderman.com/comics/bios/xtras/bio_images/carnage.jpg


http://spiderman.com/comics/bios/xtras/bio_images/venom.jpg

[A.J. Hakari]

C'mon, where's the love for Mysterio?

[Americana]

http://spiderman.com/comics/bios/xtras/bio_images/dr_ock.jpg


http://spiderman.com/comics/bios/xtras/bio_images/lizard.jpg


http://spiderman.com/comics/bios/xtras/bio_images/vulture.jpg


So yep, these are my Spider-man II picks. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I dont think they should bring in a new love interest, because PP and MJ still love eachother. I think they`ll get together in the next movie. As for the villians, good call on Lizard. I personally, would like to see Harry as the GG in the 3rd film (give some time for his hatred to brew up) and have Lizard, and Octopis in the next film. I`d also like to see Venom and Carnage, but they`ll have to wait.

[Americana]

Okay fine, there's your Mysterio...

http://spiderman.com/comics/bios/xtras/bio_images/mysterio.gif


You happy now. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Americana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
I`d also like to see Venom and Carnage, but they`ll have to wait.</font>

Yeah, I'd like to see them in the third film maybe. But for now just Doc Ock & Lizard would be fine.... And ooh what about The Kingpin??? He's an all around bad ass that would be great in the next one. But the problem is who would be good for the part???


http://spiderman.com/comics/bios/xtras/bio_images/kingpen.jpg
Come on now, you gotta have this guy around to bust Spidey's arse now and then. Because it just wouldn't be Spider-man without Kingpin.

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[A.J. Hakari]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Americana:
Okay fine, there's your Mysterio...

http://spiderman.com/comics/bios/xtras/bio_images/mysterio.gif


You happy now. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif</font>

Quite http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[John Q. Public]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Americana:
And ooh what about The Kingpin??? He's an all around bad ass that would be great in the next one. But the problem is who would be good for the part???.

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Kingpin is already the prime villain in Daredevil, so his presence in a Spiderman sequel can probably be ruled out. I'm all for crossovers, but it just doesn't seem likely.

Also, Al Bundy mentioned that Dr. Connors aka Lizard is referenced, but did anyone else pick up the reference to Eddie Brock. Jonah Jameson says something along the lines of, "Eddie already got us a picture." These references aren't there for nothing. I predict that Lizard and Venom will be making appearances, though hopefully not in the same movie. I really don't think Spiderman should take the two villian route. The Batman franchise started it's downhill descent with the whole "two villian" thing, and by Batman and Robin, which had 3 villians, the whole series had turned into complete and utter shit. There's too much going on with multiple villians. Just keep it simple. (Unfortunately, simplicity and Summer movies go together like oil and water.)

[Silverload]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by John Q. Public:
I predict that Lizard and Venom will be making appearances, though hopefully not in the same movie. I really don't think Spiderman should take the two villian route.
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Hey, it might work. I mean don’t have him fight both at the same time. Just when he fights the Lizard he gets the black suit (the alien symbiote). And as the battle between Spiderman and Lizard progresses Spiderman becomes more aggressive because of the symbiote. Then when Spiderman realizes the dangers of the suit he has to get rid of it with the church bells like in the comic. Spiderman then is able to stop Lizard and somehow causes Eddie Brock to hate him like in the comic. Eddie loses his job and family so he decides to kill himself. He goes to the church to pray one last time then what is left over from the symbiote finds Brock and bonds with him and creates Venom. Spiderman then faces off with Venom for the first time at the end. Spiderman is able to defeat Venom, temporarily of course, then show Venom still alive and leave an opening for Spiderman 3.

There you go a plot for Spider-Man 2, LOL! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[EBastard]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by John Q. Public:
I really don't think Spiderman should take the two villian route.
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Yeah,me either! Better yet,I think i'll change my opinion...

NEW BLOW BY BLOW OPINION OF WHAT I THINK SHOULD HAPPEN WITH S-M 2:
-No two villans.
-The whole black symbiote storyline featuring S-M's ego again and Eddie Brock's problem with Peter(Peter is working full time with the Daily Bugile and is accidently stealing Brock's spotlight,then after breakthrough photos taken by Peter of the shuttle accident involving J.J.J.'s astronaut son and the black symbiote,he gets Brock fired).

Putting away my Harry Osbourne as GG idea for S-M 3 would be the right thing to do.

[xxxx19]

What no mention of Kraven? Think Bruce Campbell with a thick goofy mustache would be funny as hell.

Actually I hope they have Doc Ock because they could make him look so badass.

[Gangsternumber1]

I WANT VENOM HE WAS THE BEST VILLIAN I THOUGHT AND MAYBE THE PUNISHER WITH A CAMEO I REALLY WANNA SEE VEONOM ON THE BIG SCREEN BUT TRY NOT TO MAKE THE CGI TOO CRAPPY.

[xxxx19]

I'm sorry Gangster could you please speak up I couldn't hear you

[the_sneaker]

It's got to be Harry Osborne. His line at the end totally planted the idea in my head.

[TheFrost]

Doctor Octupus is the ultimate villian for Spider-Man 2, the two villian route is a bad idea I say since it kinda copys off Batman.

But for Spider-Man 3 Sam should use it for Venom and Carnage, they would be great together.

Then Spider-Man 4 (which Sam will do, I know he will) Harry becoming Hobgoblin.

[dh1989]

This film needs Mysterio!!!!!!

He is the greatest Spidey bad guy. Doc Ock and Vulture can also supply some punches for futire sequels. I don't want a storyline like the game MAXINUM CARNAGE. I was just never a Carnage fan. Lizard is okay.

I think the Spidey 2 will have Doc Ock and Black Cat(Kirsten confirmed this). But I am rooting for Mysterio for #3. For #4 Vulture shall rule. And if #5 comes it should all be about the Hobgoblin(I don't another Goblin so soon. GG was cool, but lets have some fresh stuff). Just leave Lizard on the curb and be smart.


P.S. if they are dumb enough to go beyond that have the okay villian Shocker.

[dh1989]

Lets say all these villians are going to appear, who would play them? We know Raimi can get the respected actors(Willem Dafoe playing the GG! Who would have thought).


Carnage is made for Edward Norton. Ed can play crazy, evil, and melt into any persona.

Venom. Hmmmmmmmmm! You guys are going to kill me, but I am rooting for Vin Diesel. He is really bad ass and wicked. He is worth the money.

Doctor Octopus is a hard one, but I see Gefforey Rush playing him. He would have to buff up an all, but he would rock.

Lizard is going to be Jude Law. I really like him and he would be good.

Vulture is the role Ben Kingsley was born to portray. He is a great actor and looks the part.

Mysterio is tough, but I'd go with an unknown. He does not need a big star. I would rather see a great unknown.

It would rock to see Michael Clarke Duncan make a cameo as the Kingpin.

As for Gwen Stacy. I'd say Kirsten Dunst. Oh wait she is M.J. I used to think she was born for Gwen, but who should play Gwen now? I guess I'd have to go with Claire Danes.

[Scarface98.9]

all u need for Venom is a guy who plays Brock. then Venom can be played by a stuntguy or CGI. but Ed Norton as Carnage? li'l farfetched IMO

[xxxx19]

M.C Duncan as the kingpin? The Kingpin was a big white dude.


I say they get King King Bundy for the Kingpin (not gonna happen but he sure has the same body type)

Mike Myers in his Austin Powers hairdo/glasses also looks similar to Doc Ock (minus the bad british teeth of course)

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[dellamorte dellamore]

---------Spoilers------


Any one of them would be good,especially Carnage.I hope they decide to go with the Hobgoblin in either 2 or 3.They already set it up,when Franco says he wants to avenge his father's death.And that love triangle aspect could make it even more intriguing.


Also like the idea of introducing the black outfit,the one that was taking him over.

[Muha]

from old topic:

honestly... i think bill paxton might be the lizard in the next film. he has great ties with sam raimi and he looks like dr. connors too.

kingpin is in DD
venom and carnage should not be in the next one... maybe third if they even introduce the symbiote in the second. if they dont introduce the symbiote costume then forget it.. they wont be in.

you need to have the symbiote (black costumed spidey) before you even have venom or carnage.

heres how i think it should go:

doc ock -- mike myers?! too skinny.. doc ock was a hefty sized dood, but short... i think this was the comic book role arnie should have had instead of mr. freeze... but thats not possible, so... how about robin williams for this role?
black cat -- should be eliza duskhu
britney spears cant fuckin act... be real
kraven the hunter -- oded fehr
venom -- brendan fraser would be real cool for this role
carnage -- norton all the way man
the vulture -- id say ben kingsley here
The lizard -- bill paxton

[TheFrost]

Ed Norton as Carnage?? Cool, never would of thought of that.

Harry needs to be Hobgoblin, no questions asked end of story.

[ak]

Official Announcement:

Spider-Man II will be out in cinemas on May 7th, 2004.

It will be directed by Raimi, starring Maguire and Dunst, again.

I had an e-mail from the official Spider-Man network (Sony website thing)....I should expect many people who are on the network, got this e-mail.

[Muha]

NOTE:

Harry Osborn was not the Hobgoblin... flash thompson was.


harry osborn was the second Green Goblin.

[adamjohnson]

naw man, youre thinkin of the old tv show. in the comic harry was the hobgoblin.

and by the way they should definetly stick to only one villian because that gives much more time for character development, which i really aht spiderman is all about, the characters.

if they start using too many vilians it will turn out to be like that gay old batman sheit. with five new origins per movie, each making the next one less ad less interesting.

i love venom and carnage, but to do them justice they would each have their own movie. and then even maybe a spinoff movie series of venom, cuzhe goes all protector of innocent later on.

i thikn doc oc would be pretty amzing and the idea of having the black suit while he fights doc ock to set up venom for the next flick is pretty good, because the blak suit AND venom is a little too much for one movie.

but because of the lines at the end with harry i can almost guantee that the next one is the hobgoblin (or i i actually am wrong te NEXt green goblin i.e harry osborn.)

and hey what about ben reilly and all the clones. thatd be pretty cool too cuz the goblins in that one to.

anyway out.

adam

[Wzd]

Heres a quote from Empire On-line:

With the sequel already greenlighted, it has been announced that Alfred Gough and Miles Millar - the writing team behind superhero series, Smallville - have been charged with putting Spidey's second adventure to paper.

Naturally disinclined to give anything away at this stage, Gough refused to comment on who the Wallcrawler will face off against this time - ''I can't really talk about it, [Marvel Studios chief] Avi Arad will send the X-Men out to kill me!'' - but star Kirsten Dunst has let slip that two classic Spider-Man villains, Dr Octopus and The Lizard, will be making an appearance.

[Weapon X]

Here's how I think it might play out:

Harry Osborn is in the mansion brooding, silently plotting revenge against Spider-Man. He suddenly hears a cackling voice in his head, which he follows to a hidden room within his father's office; inside he finds leftover equipment from the Green Goblin's parade of destruction - some pumpkin bombs, razor bats...and even an old prototype glider and flight suit, along all the plans and blueprints. Now realizing his true destiny, he makes a few alterations to the technology, and emerges as his new alter ego, the Hobgoblin.

Now then, to cause some sensless destruction to draw out Spider-Man...

Peter is attending a science exposition, where the famous Dr. Otto Octavius is presenting, conducting a tricky experiment with the aid of four retractable "octopus arms". Peter speaks with the Doc before the show, and here we see how the arms work, and we get a taste of the friendship between Peter and Ock, from one scientist to another. However, during the show, Hobgoblin flies in and blows the place straight to hell. While Spider-Man and Hobby go at it, Doc Ock is caught is a rather fierce explosion.

Later on, Ock resurfaces while Spidey and Hobby are at it again, revealing his fate; the metal arms have been fused to his body, and all his research - his entrie reason for living - has been destroyed. He has it out for Hobgoblin. During the fight, Hobby's mask accidentally comes off, and Peter is shocked to learn his identity, Harry Osborn!

Feeling sympathy for his best friend, he stops Doc Ock from finishing Harry off, saying that he won't allow him the same fate as his father Norman. Ock replies, "How very noble of you, Spider-Man. But I'm afraid your protection of him means you've signed your name to his death warrant!" Or something to that effect. Ock goes after Spidey, while Harry gets his mask back and retreats.

[adamjohnson]

i suddenly remembered that in one of the original scripts for the first movie that that is what happened. doc ock is created by an accident caused by none other than the green goblin. and then gets all pissed at him and fights alongside spidey to stop him. but i dont remeber it all for sure.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Is there any chance Dunst can be written out of the script somehow,she'll just slow things down again.Just say she went on an extended vacation in Europe to study the mating habits of the sea enema,or something.


Still say the Hobgoblin was the most exciting villian in the SM universe.


Here's hoping:

http://www.napanet.net/~mwilcox/hgoblin.gif


Hobgoblin


Real Name:Ned Leeds

Occupation:Journalist for Daily Bugle


Relation to PP:High school rival of PP,competed for the affections of Betty Brant


Marital Status:wed to Betty Brant


Obtained superhuman strenght:result of a customized mixture of Osborn's original formula.Same enhanced abilities without the psychotic side effect.

Obtained glider,and associated weapons http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gifiscovered one of Osborn's secret lairs.


Main motivation:to bribe the richest members of NYC by unveiling potentialy damaging secrets about them.


O course this guy will have nothing to do with,and after seeing the film,they have tweaked the story somewhat,or will have to.


No matter,Osborn's son is going to have to have to play a huge part in one or both or the next installments,they already led into it,i don't see how they could'nt.


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[Muha]

naw man, youre thinkin of the old tv show. in the comic harry was the hobgoblin.


no im right... read the amazing spider-man comic book number 276... i have it. its flash thompson.

in comic #251.. hobgoblin goes after harry himself and fails...

harry becomes the second green goblin... not hobgoblin.

[EBastard]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:
harry becomes the second green goblin... not hobgoblin.</font>I thought that was it...

[The Grim]

I'm thinking either Venim or Carnage. Maybe even the Shocker. He's on the Spiderman game.

[bobo_the_clown]

THe Hobgblin was RODERICK KINGSLEY. He just framed all the others who were "revealed" as him. Later Harry macendale (jack o lantern) became the second hobgoblin

[Scrunch]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wzd:
With the sequel already greenlighted, it has been announced that Alfred Gough and Miles Millar - the writing team behind superhero series, Smallville - have been charged with putting Spidey's second adventure to paper. </font>
There were parts of Spiderman that reminded me of Smallville already.

I think the guys who write for Smallville to an amazing job. It's the best show out there on TV right now.

[adamjohnson]

damn, all this green goblin/hobgoblin/demigoblin's 1,2, 3, 4 5 crap is all to confusing. every one i sayinthe other s wng. les just watandsee what goes down in te actul movie. because imsure they will change the story a little bit. and they might just combine harrys green goblin and the hobgobln(making harry the hobgoblin) because you cant have green goblin in two seperate movies, it just gets repetitive. i mean they did it with MJ and gwen, cobining them i mean. and hey didnt i see betty brant, wasnt she the receptionist that was all bitchy to PP when he gave her his check? i rememer seeig that wacked out haircut in the comics.

[adamjohnson]

thought i might bump

[sirmatto]

Definitely Green Goblin 2 (aka Harry Osbourne) and Dr. Ock.

[Reed Richards]

The date's wrong but here's my guess.


http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/art/Art7189.jpg

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[Scarface98.9]

that's a pretty good poster. but it looks like a cover of a SM video game. but then again, so did SM

[TheDeputy]

The Green Goblin's son (Harry Osborn) will be the Hobgoblin. And the guy who sorta fought with Toby in the school will be Venom. If you remember in the comic Spiderman rejected Venom and Venom wanted to get close to peter parker and the only way he could do that was through Peter Parker's enemy.

That's my thoughts

[EBastard]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TheDeputy:
The Green Goblin's son (Harry Osborn) will be the Hobgoblin. And the guy who sorta fought with Toby in the school will be Venom. If you remember in the comic Spiderman rejected Venom and Venom wanted to get close to peter parker and the only way he could do that was through Peter Parker's enemy.

That's my thoughts</font>Huh? When our web-slinger rejected the black symbioyte,the symbioyte turned on Spidey and looked for a host that they could not only easily control,but someone who hated Spidey just as much as the symbioyte did...and they found it...in Eddie Brock...not Flash Thompson.

That's how it went in the comic.

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[Eddie_Brock]

Ok people, heres what I think should happen.
Screw all the goblins, because its obvious that there is no way for these movies to cover the whole spideys series, so there is truley no point in going in chronological order. Also they arlready did a goblin guy. They might as well just touch on the best battles which Im sure everyone would agree is when venom and spidey team up to take out carnage, 14 fun filled issuses of maximum carnage. All of you know and remember them well= ). They were the best, but I think that that should wait for the 3rd movie and in the second introduce maybe lizard and doc oct, even though the could pick better battles than that, i think that is the issuse where the sybiote suit was introduced, I may be mistaken, but which ever battle led up to that suit that I think came from the fantastic four suit maker thing, or thats what spider man thought it was untill he figured out it was alive. Thats the one that should be in the second movie, Then introduce Venom in the third movie, but the symbiote in the second one and eddie brock in the second one. Maybe even show eddie and cletus in jail.

Of course if they make this the size of starwars and have just has many mmovies then im all for following the comic book series and things, but I doubt that will ahppen, but we can all hope!

[Muha]

They were the best, but I think that that should wait for the 3rd movie and in the second introduce maybe lizard and doc oct, even though the could pick better battles than that, i think that is the issuse where the sybiote suit was introduced, I may be mistaken, but which ever battle led up to that suit that I think came from the fantastic four suit maker thing, or thats what spider man thought it was untill he figured out it was alive.

the symbiote suit was introduced in the secret wars series in the comics... i believe it was different in the cartoon tho. i dunno... i dont watch cartoons that much, but i have the entire secret wars series and the most expensive issue is the one with black spidey on the cover.

you have good points and i do think that IS the only way to do the movies...

lizard and doc ock in the second one... introduce the symbiote, black spidey 1/2 way through... i still say black cat tho too.

venom in the third one.

[dh1989]

I was thinking about The Scorpion for awhile, but that I can already hear some Spidey hater crying out "Where did they get his costume. left over GG plastic".

[EBastard]

Ok,I'm gonna make it short and sweet who I think should be in the sequels...

2:Venom.Just Venom.

3:Harry Osbourne makes his return as Hobgoblin and joins forces with Doc Ock to kill Spidey.Also,Doc Ock should create the Spider Slayers as his minions.

[kobe]

i also think venom should be the lone villian in Spider-Man 2. if there is indeed 2 though add Doc Ock but i also believe Harry should become Hobgoblin in 3.

[mixx3113]

Doc Oc deserves to be the MAIN villian. Better storyline, he's been around longer, and he's cooler. As for the #2 bad guy I'm wishin' for the SANDMAN. He's a much over looked bad guy in the Spidey's universe. I also like Kraven, but I think that's pushin' it.

[HM Murdock]

I hope they don't bring in too many villians. Thats what made the Batman movies crappy. After Returns it looked as if Batman only took on tag teams.

Saying that I hope to see Venom or Carnage sometime. I'm not sure about Doc Oc. He is a big character so I suppose he'll make an appearence, I just hope it looks good and works. I doubt the Lizard, Rhino or Mystero will appear. Hobgoblin should be in 3 to round of a nice trilogy.

[SAI]

Sorry to shout but: HARRY OSBORN WAS NEVER THE HOBGOBLIN. He should become the second GREEN Goblin, but not til film 3.

The next film will definately feture Doctor Octopus, he was dropped from the first film because there was thought to be enouh story with Green Goblin alone. I personally think this is the best idea, stick to on villain, there is a reason why the first Batman film is still the best.

On the issue of Gwen Stacy, I think it's a bit late to introduce her, though I wanted the love triangle as part of the first film. If she is in it they should cast Sarah Michelle Gellar, she's the spitting image of Gwen as drawn by John Romita Sr.

[adamjohnson]

youre absolutely right about the batman thing. i heard theyre havig doc ock and lizard frm most peeps on this site. it's ok if they use two. if they use doc ock as the main one and have the lizard as a secondary villian, lizards a small foe anyway. lizard nevr really had that much to dowith any big storylines at all, just as long as its not introducing tennew characters and tryng to still have a love story in it like batman 3 and 4. and IM going on record now. i was wrong. harry wsa never hobgoblin after all. he was anoter green gobln. and after harry died there was a whole new goblin, actually that story isv ery vey new. theywill probably develop harry and peters friends ship more during numbr 2 so thqat when harry betrays peter n nmber 3 it will have much more impact. but the thing about gwen stacy is retty simple. asi ecall gwen was his honey in high school and MJ was his in college after she died. so i dont thnk there was ever relly a love triangle. they said they combined gwens characte and MJ's character because they wanted to establish early on a major love nterest. and so asso that people wopuld be a little surrpised as to what happens on the bridge when he chunks her off, because that was how gwen died.
anyway
best movie ever!

[SAI]

Actually Adam Gwen was Peter's college girlfriend. He and MJ didn't get together for a long time. You are right there was never a love triangle in the comics, I just thought it would have been a good dramatic decision for the film, and of course would have given the ending more emotional resonance because they could have killed Gwen off. Ah well.

There has been a lot of talk about Black Cat being in the sequel and I'd quite like to see that. She and Spidey had a relationship for a while and it would be good to introduce a little will they won't they to Peter and MJ's relationship.

If I had my pick of the villains I think I'd like Venom and (especially) Carnage in number 2 but I think it will be Ock, I have a feeling Lizard is no more than a rumor

[filmdude27]

see im like a really big spider-man fan this is what i think number 2,3 and 4 should be about. dr ock should fight spider-man as the main super villan but the should be a side kick with him like sandman and right at the end when spider-man wins you see him goin off in the distance with the symbiote on leaving the way open for venom.

when you have seen spider-man it goes to a prison shot were you see sandman and dr ock sitting there dr ock say's "ill be back more powerfull than ever". see i thought this would be a good idea so then in number 4 he could come back but this time with the most dangrous group in the comic world the sinister six,

at the bigging of number 3 you should see spider-man having problems with the symbiote so he leaves it and eddie brock finds it and turns into venom in number 2 you should have some sort of aperance of eddie brock just to intraduce him.

later on in number 3 eddie could be sent to jail but then brake out this time he's left abit of the symbiote behind there enters carnage venom and spider-man have to team up to kill carnage. at the end of 3 three you see the gap in the prison were venom and carnage broke out and you here shouting and screaming you see dr ock and sandman walking out wich leaves my idea for 4 open.

and as for the girl situaltion black cat can be in number 2. mj can get jelouse of peter and her and in number 3 peter and mj can get together. and in number 4 she could be used as bate by the sinister six. see i think this would be really cool, but it will never be done like this but i thought i would share what i thought would be cool.

peace!!

[EBastard]

Dude...there's only gonna be a 2 and 3.

[BigB]

The ones I would like to see on the big screen are:

* Lizard - Doc Connors is an important character and by having him change into the lizard would develop him even more.

* Kingpin - I know he's the main villain in daredevil and all, but it would still be cool to have him show up. He doesn't have to get caught and put in jail at the end because spidey doesn't have to know about kingpins existance. Kingpin's just pulling the threads anyway. Spidey can kick Rhino's and/or Shocker's ass while they're under kingpins command or something like that. Another idea would be to have the next villain on my list working with the Kingpin.

* Alistar Smithe - I would really like to see his spider slayers sometime. On the other hand he'll take some time to introduce since his father has to "die"... Anyway, he'd be cool if he ever shows up.

* Doc Ock - Dont think this one needs futher explanation, although I doubt they can make his extra arms look cool and real at the same time w/o making him look ridiculous. Hmm... I do hope I'm wrong...

* Venom - An obvious choise. As for the acting, I'd go for Vin Diesel. He has the right "shape" and his way of acting is prefect for the respectinspiring Venom.

* Carnage - As obvious as Venom. Many have said it before me but I'll say it again! Go Edward Norton! (my favorite psychopath http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif )


All the others I could think of (Green Goblin (Harry), Hobgoblin, Tombstone, Hammerhead, Rhino, Shocker, Scorpion, Kraven, Mysterio and Vulture) are either too repitative, way too little of a challange or just too fucked up. At least that's what I think http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


As for the order of apperance I think Eddie_Brock had a pretty good suggestion http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[TheFrost]

Okay, Spider-Man II sees the appearance of the greatest villian ever (besides the Green Goblin)

DOCTOR OCTOPUS

The guy is brilliant, he is my favourite villian ever and should be on the big screen.
Those metal arms of his are some nasty piece of work.

Come on, Sam lets have Doc Ock.

[BigB]

btw, does anyone have an url to the source of the 2-villain-doc-ock-and-lizard-rumor?

[dh1989]

If they do ahve Doctor Octopus in SPIDER-MAN II, I hope they include those Octobots which were featured in the mid 90's animated show. It could be a good showcase for great effects, it would tell people the extent of Doc Ock's brilliance, and be an awesome action figure.


I know this may not be what happens in the comic, but this is what I would do if I had to make a Doc Ock- Lizard film. I would have there being some kind of science award ceremony in NY and Dr. Connors beats Otto Octavius for a chance to compete. Connors is doing an experiment involving reptiles and Otto was going to show his arms and the telepathic headband. Disgruntled, Doc Ock returns to his lab and a freak explosion attached the arms to Otto and dements him. With these new powers and loss of sanity, Doc Ock attacks the awards show. He is about to kill Connors when Peter Parker(who at the ceremony) dresses up as Spider-Man and kicks Doc Ock's ass somewhat, but not enough for him to die. Connors returns home scared as hell and is thinking how a handicapped man can stop a freak supervillian. He then thinks of some lizards ability to regenerate tails and he injects him self with lizard DNA. It all goes well until an explosion makes him muatate completely. Lizard goes out and starts terrorizing the city. When Spider-Man is about to stop him, Doc Ock comes up and tries to kill Spidey. He also attacks the Lizard. After the fight is over(Spider-Man prevails, but the two supervillians survive), Doc Ock picks up a wallet that fell out of Lizard's pocket and learns he is Connors. He attacks Lizard while Lizard is fighting Spider-Man and now Spider-Man must stop the huge villian fight and protect himself.

[Movie Hunter]

I think that the FIRST part will always be the best..

and i dont wanna see spider man fighting two of his rivals in the same movie (Batman & Robin)

[HM Murdock]

I would like to see Doc Ock but there is the risk of it looking crappy on film. If done right it could be amazing.

In Spiderman 2 I'd love to see Venom and in Spiderman 3 see Doc Ock help Harry become the Grean Goblin 2 to avenge his father's death. The 1 movie gap would give the illusion that Harry and Doc Ock have been plotting for a while. Ock would be perfect to help Harry defeat Spiderman and together the two would be a great villian duo for a conclusion of a great Spiderman trilogy.

[HM Murdock]

I would like to see Doc Ock but there is the risk of it looking crappy on film. If done right it could be amazing.

In Spiderman 2 I'd love to see Venom and in Spiderman 3 see Doc Ock help Harry become the Grean Goblin 2 to avenge his father's death. The 1 movie gap would give the illusion that Harry and Doc Ock have been plotting for a while. Ock would be perfect to help Harry defeat Spiderman and together the two would be a great villian duo for a conclusion of a great Spiderman trilogy.

[SAI]

If it goes to film 3 I'd like to see it end with Harry's death, as was depicted in Spectacular Spider-Man 200

[Kurtz' Killer]

Rhino. I will accept no substitutes.

[BigB]

Rhino?

Why? I cant see what's so special about him...

The Kingpin once said:
"...just another neanderthal in a costume."
and I think that's good desciption of Rhino.

Out.

[Mr. Orange]

Last night I had a dream that it would be Venom and Carnage. So that means that it is decided right?? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[SAI]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mr. Orange:
Last night I had a dream that it would be Venom and Carnage. So that means that it is decided right?? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif</font>

I don't think that will happen but it could work nicely, one of the big problems witht the Batman films two villains strategy was that they seemed to pair them up in a very haphazard way. Seriously what CHARACTER basis do they have for Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy teaming up; none.

Venom and Carnage is a different matter the characters are from the same source and very much linked. This might be a good way to go.

The other idea I quite like (though it would take films 2 AND 3 to do it justice) is using the storyline from the Maximum Carnage miniseries (perhaps cutting a few of the less popular characters like Carrion and Cloak and Dagger though)

[media_man]

He may not be the best character, but I have a feeling that Kingpin will make an appearance in there...

[Silverload]

I was just over at IMDB looking around and I seen they have Sam Neil credited as playing Dr. Octopus. I for one think he can do a good job, even though he is a lot smaller then the comic version he does look similar to Dr. Octopus. And I could see Sam Neil pulling off the acting part with no problem.

Sam Raimi also said we might see Venom in the third Spider-Man, he said the main reason he did not have him as a villain in the second on is because he does not know much about Venom. He wants to read up and learn more about Venom. He said all he knows about Venom is that for some reason he really, really hates Spider-Man

[dh1989]

What do you guys think about having Vulture in a film? He is very cool and Ben Kingsley was born to play him.


I don't like the idea of Rhino becasue his comic battles were boring and he is ugly costume wise.

Shocker is cool, but he would not keep the film up. Not very deserving of a film.

[F0X]

The Cameleon, he can make spidey feel not welcome in the city by posing as him, and make Peter Parker think about his future as Spiderman. And I would team him up with that other master of illusion Mysterio.

[dh1989]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by F0X:
The Cameleon, he can make spidey feel not welcome in the city by posing as him, and make Peter Parker think about his future as Spiderman. And I would team him up with that other master of illusion Mysterio.</font>


FOX that idea is great. The Chameleon would rock. It would be a nice plot point for Spider-Man 2 considering Raimi wants to "delve deeper into Parker's character". It would be great! If only Sony would leave behind Doc Ock and do that.

[Duba]

SPOILERS OF THE COMIC BOOK STORY

Here is what I think :

Harry Osborne wasn't the Hobgoblin in the comic book , Harry Osborne was the second Green Goblin , he found the formula and the costume of his father and he became the Green Goblin.

The Hobgoblin was just a copied costume of the one of the Green Goblin , some guys found the Green Goblin suit while they were escaping from the police. They gave the costume to a fashion designer named Roderick Kingsley and he used it. The Hobgoblin didn't have great super powers , it was just the costume and the weapons. After some time Spidey catches the Hobgoblin and discovers he is Kingsley. Then Kingsley decided to give the costume to Flash Thompson , and then to Harry Macendale who was Jack O'Lantern.

Then , there was a third Green Goblin who actually was Norman Osborne who wasn't dead and was behind all this goblin saga.

This whole story is very long for 3 movies so I think that if they want to use Hobgoblin , they'll maybe use Harry and change the story.

I think they'll use Dr. Octopus and the Lizard for the second movie , and explain the origin of the alien costume so they can use Venom and Carnage for the third one.

I think that they can make a good movie with 2 villians , "Batman Returns" was a good movie and they used 2 villians (The Penguin and Catwoman).
What ruined "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin" was Joel Schumaker , not multiple villians.

[EBastard]

Alright,after a long time thinking about it,I finally have my opinion of who should play Eddie Brock in the 3rd installment!

Reed Diamond! If any of you have witnessed his incredible work on Homicide(reruns are on CourtTV late nights at 1 a.m.),YOU'D DEFINATELY AGREE...or come up with a better pick.

Anyway,this guy has the look,the flare,the attitude,EVERYHING! Maybe not the height,but if the guy gained weight and pumped up for the role,THE SON OF A BITCH IS VENOM!


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[SAI]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Duba:
SPOILERS OF THE COMIC BOOK STORY
Harry Macendale who was Jack O'Lantern.

Then , there was a third Green Goblin who actually was Norman Osborne who wasn't dead and was behind all this goblin saga.

I think that they can make a good movie with 2 villians , "Batman Returns" was a good movie and they used 2 villians (The Penguin and Catwoman).
What ruined "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin" was Joel Schumaker , not multiple villians.</font>

Actually JASON Macendale was the Jack O Lantern, he also became the second Hobgoblin
and The Third Green Goblin was Bart Hamilton, Norman's psychiatrist. There was a fourth Green Goblin, Phil Urich, who was not a villain. Then came the return of Norman (and what a brilliant story that was)

On your point about the issue of having two villains. I agree, to a point. Obviously it was Joel Schmacher who was reponsible for fucking up the Batman franchise but equally Batman Returns is not as good as the original film. This, for me, is because by having two villains (three if you count Max Shreck)the story is overly cluttered and doen't really develop any of them enough.

I think the first Batman, and Spider-Man (which I have at last seen) are proof that by using only one villain you leave more room for character development and that ultimately this approach leads to a better film

[Duba]

Thanks for the corrections SAI.

I agree with you that the first Batman was better than Batman Returns , but I don't think a movie focused on The Penguin would be as good as the first one focused on The Joker.

They need to use two villians if they want to explain more about the story , one by one you will need like 6 movies.
A movie with Carnage and Venom would work great for the third one since Venom is involved in the origin of Carnage , but that's just my opinion.

[adam_e19]

As I was reading these posts, i realised that most of you were talking about doc oc and lizard and rhino, and leaving out an important character - Chameleon. Then one of you brought it up, thank god. He's one of the most pivital characters in the Spidey universe. He could create all kinds of mayhem, like fucking up Spidey's world, as well as using his powers for personal gain...

This is my idea for how the triology could evolve. first Spidey 2:
Now that Norman/GG is dead, Harry becomes very dependant on PP/MJ's friendship. THis deepens the storyline between them. When PP/MJ eventually get together, this fuck's Harry's head up alot thinking that they have betrayed him. But they'd have to do a number 4 to include him as GG 2.

THe introduction of Eddie Brock could be like this: JJJ advertises a ransom for the capture of SM, EB takes up the challenge, eventually being caught by SM after attempting something that goes disastrously wrong. He gets thrown in Jail, pissed of at SM.

Dr. Oc's intro basically like comic: Doc Ock, is scientist at ESU. Involved in explosion in lab. 4 arms become part of him. But tries to capture SM for ransom, plus he's slightly insane, although brilliant, and chases SM for pleasure...

SM joins with symbiote. He battles with Doc Oc. Doc Oc dies. (?)

Spidey 3:
SM has started to notice that the suit has a weird aura about it, and MJ has noticed that he's acting very unusual. He knows its because of the symbiote suit and departs from it.
Eddie Brock has been in jail for two years. During that time he's become extremely enraged towards SM. He's also had treatment from a female Psychiatrist (can't remember her name), who he cares for alot. Somehow, the suit finds it's way to EB and joins with him to form VENOM. He then breaks out of jail, discovers what the suit can do, and hunts Spidey. But some of the symbiote departed from it and joined with EB's cellmate Cletus, who becomes CARNAGE. during Carnage's escape he puts Psychiatrist in coma. PP investigates this, writes up in paper, and EB finds out. Enrages him more. Decides that he has to kill carnage too.

Anyway to cut a long story short, SM and Venom join forces to kill Carnage, they do, then SM destroys the symbiote suit and EB goes back to jail. SM and MJ become lovers. The end?


Sorry it's long but that's what i think the trilogy should go like. I know that you fellow Spidey Fans will notice that it is almost exactly the same as the comics/cartoons, but if this is the way that they go, then there are gonna be some changes.

Anyway, keep up the good work guys!!

- adam_e19

[adam_e19]

Oh yeah and another thing. I don't know if you guys have heard about this (or even if its true), but Sam's said that "he isn't doing another Spidey flick after number 2 cos he says they're too tiring."

As i said, i dont know if this is true, but if it is, WHAT THE FUCK? Doesn't he know a good thing when he sees one. The Spidey franchise is one of the biggest around at the mo.. Plus after seeing the first movie, surely he's the only director who can pull off these films. Personally, i'll be very very disappointed if he decides to pull out of the third. Spiderman's now become his baby!!

- adam_e19

[scottish-movie-freak]

I heard that Sam Neil [Jurassic Park 1 and 3] would be playing Dr Octavious [is that spelt right?]. Plus Bruce Campbell [Evil Dead] was rumoured for a part...just in case you are interested!

[HM Murdock]

I really think we'll see Green Goblin again in the form of Harry. At the end of the movie it is pretty obivously set up.

"I will avange my father's death."

I doubt the Lizard will be in any of the movies though. It's a bit OTT. I recokn Doc Ock and Eddie Brock will appear. Eddie was even mentioned in the first movie.

[Al Bundy]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HM Murdock:
I really think we'll see Green Goblin again in the form of Harry. At the end of the movie it is pretty obivously set up.

"I will avange my father's death."

I doubt the Lizard will be in any of the movies though. It's a bit OTT. I recokn Doc Ock and Eddie Brock will appear. Eddie was even mentioned in the first movie. </font>

Dr. Connors aka Lizard was also mentioned in the first movie.

[ANTIsoul]

the king pin should defenitly make an appearance if not then venom or carnage

[SAI]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ANTIsoul:
the king pin should defenitly make an appearance</font>

That won't happen. He's in Daredevil, I doubt they'll use him in both franchises

[belphegor]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by scottish-movie-freak:


I heard that Sam Neil [Jurassic Park 1 and 3] would be playing Dr Octavious [is that spelt right?]. Plus Bruce Campbell [Evil Dead] was rumoured for a part...just in case you are interested!</font>

that's Dr. Octopus... i've always liked him.
but i'd personnally gor for venom:

http://www.bamboozled.org/marvin/archive/venom.jpg


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[DaMovieMan]

Venom would definately be the best choice! I love that guy!!
Lizard and Doc Octopus are good choices too and i wont complain if they are in the next one.

Let's all hope Harry will turn into Venom http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif
(i know the original isnt like that)

DaMan

[TheFrost]

No no no no no, Harry would never be Venom it has to be Eddie Brock. What point would there be if Harry was Venom? I hope you were joking.

Doc Ock would be a great villian to follow up the success of the great Green Goblin, I would like to see The Scorpion in the films, he would rock!!

But I wanna see Doc Ock more than ever in SM2

[hamburgerbill]

Anyone think that Bob Hoskins could play Doc octopus.He has played both real evil and decent characters brilliantly and hes short stocky and recedding slightly.

Words of wisdom
"i did learn something Terrance...i learned your a boner biting dick fuck fuck face"

[quantano]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by scottish-movie-freak:


I heard that Sam Neil [Jurassic Park 1 and 3] would be playing Dr Octavious [is that spelt right?]. Plus Bruce Campbell [Evil Dead] was rumoured for a part...just in case you are interested!</font>


Bruce Campbell was in the first one, as the wrestling announcer.

As for a villain, i would like to see the scorpion, only because i don't know anything much about this character.

As for a possible actor to play a villain, what about that creepy guy who is in lots of films, but no-oone really knows him. He was in Starship Troopers, as the teacher/general, and he was in Total Recall, i think also the V series, and i can't think of what else, but i know he's been in a lot of movies with small/evil/creepy roles.

[jdaw4210]

I'm 100% sure of who its supposed to be. They might change it for the movie. Its the Hob Goblin a.k.a. Harry Osbourne. He wants to avenge his fathers death. He saw Spiderman with his dads corpse. They probobly wouldnt change THAT much about it.

[Rumblebumble]

theres going to be 2 villans. it was on entertainment tonight. one is the lizard i didnt catch the other.hopefully its someone good. i wanna see carnage and venom.

[SAI]

Slightly off topic here but anyway... I hope the sequel isn't simply called Spider-Man 2. That's lazy. I think that they should go back to the comics for the titles of the sequels, call the first "THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN" and the second eiether "WEB OF SPIDER-MAN" or "THE SPECTAULAR SPIDER-MAN"
all far more imaginative and dramtic than just numbering them. What do the rest of you think?

[rtatick]

Harry will NOT be back until the THIRD movie!

[bromy]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TheFrost:
Doc Ock would be a great villian to follow up the success of the great Green Goblin, I would like to see The Scorpion in the films, he would rock!!
</font>
But I wanna see Doc Ock more than ever in SM2

I have an odd feeling they originally planned to have Scorpion in the movie, if you check the Video game for the movie, other than gobby Scorpion is the only suit that has been in anyway altered from it's original, both vulture and shocker have their original costumes so what asuma (I think thats who made it) did was find some scrapped ideas for a scorpion costume and applyed it to the game.

[bromy]

by the way, I would love to see some kind of subplot, maybe at the beginning of the movie where Spidey takes on the Spider-Slayer robots

[Jason]

The villian will probably be...........David Koepp. I hope he doesn't write the screenplay for the sequel too. He needs to give someone else a chance.

[Dark Minister]

Ok guys, here is the deal with the whole "Who is the Green Goblin, who is the Hobgoblin" argument. Norman, of course, was the first Green Goblin. He died on the bridge after killing Gwen (in a similar fashion to the way he died in the movie), Harry became the Green Goblin after Norman's death. Spidey kicked the living shit out of Harry and he gave up this persona, going to a shrink (Bart Hamilton), who became the third Green Goblin. Years pass, and Roderick Kingsley became the Hobgoblin after finding one of Norman's old hide outs. (Bear with me, I'll get back to Kingsley). However, this wasn't revealed until later. At first, the Hobgoblin framed Flash Thompson as being the Hobgoblin because Thompson stated on tv that the Hobgoblin was "a coward who only attacked women." Flash was cleared by Spidey later, and it was revealed that Ned Leeds was the Hobgoblin. Ned was killed by Jason Mancendale, who was at one time the lame ass villain "The Jack O'Lantern" Years pass, and it is revealed that Leeds was brainwashed by Kingsley, who was IN FACT the original Hobgoblin who used Leeds in order to take the suspicion off of him. Harry was NEVER the Hobgoblin, nor was Flash Thompson, who is now pretty much Peter's best friend in the comic book. Harry died a few years ago trying to use the Goblin Formula that gave Norman his super strength. Hope that clears some things up for you!

[GokuGohan777]

I was reading something on bloodydescusting.com and they said that sam rami said that he ould never make a spider-man movie with venom or cranage in it. I think that is stupid because they are like spider-mans main villins.The movie would be so cool to see with them in it.

[GokuGohan777]

They really need to get Venom and Carnage to be in the next movie or in a later one to come. I have hurd from many people that it is going to be Dr. Oct and Lizard but how could you not have Venom and Carnage.

[s'solid]

Id love to see venom in the next movie but realistically i think they'd leave him for the finale so id have to go for dr ock and/or lizard.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by quantano:

Bruce Campbell was in the first one, as the wrestling announcer.

As for a villain, i would like to see the scorpion, only because i don't know anything much about this character.

As for a possible actor to play a villain, what about that creepy guy who is in lots of films, but no-oone really knows him. He was in Starship Troopers, as the teacher/general, and he was in Total Recall, i think also the V series, and i can't think of what else, but i know he's been in a lot of movies with small/evil/creepy roles.</font>

quantano, that would be the great Michael Ironside.

http://neitherday.com/movies/fight_club_1.jpg

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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

http://b3ta.com/spidermanwillmakeyougay/


Everyone go there. It is freakin' hilarious.

[Zed]

Bump!....because I found a new schmoe looking for this topic!

[silverchair rules86]

Ok this is what should happen Peter Parker gets the symbiote suit has it for most of the movie (villain Doc. Ock) then Brock gets fired and eventually it ends up at the bell tower placeand Peter finds out about the evil in the suit goes to battle Doc. Ock wins and then the suit goes inside Brock and he transforms ,show his face ,make him growl and then its over and let venom be in the third one with carnage somehow.Oh andlet Harry try to find a way to prove spider-man is evil.

[SAI]

Originally posted by SAI
...I think that they should go back to the comics for the titles of the sequels, call the first "THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN"... far more imaginative and dramtic than just numbering them. What do the rest of you think?

Well it isn't often I get my own way but I was mightily pleased when the second fil was officialy announced not long ago as being called The Amazing Spider-Man I only hope it lives up to that title.

[Boba Joe]

A decent script and likable characters.