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[SD] Bob Plisskin

06-19-2002, 07:03 AM

I used to think buffy was a great program but recently I've ben missing episodes (Willow just became a proper bad witch or something) because I feel it's way to depressing and I get enough of that in my life at the moment. Ever since Buffy's mum died it's just been getting worse and worse, I like episodes where you can escape reality and think "That'd be so cool if I could do that". Now they have made Buffy more human subject to emotion and never really winning overall it's pretty crap in myo opinion. So I started watching Angel instead but now that's become the same. Hopefully the next season of both programs will be more uplifting and cheerful, back to the old ways.

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ColinM

06-19-2002, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by [SD] Bob Plisskin:
I used to think buffy was a great program but recently I've ben missing episodes (Willow just became a proper bad witch or something) because I feel it's way to depressing and I get enough of that in my life at the moment.

I don't think you're the only one. Joss Whedon apparently said that the next (last?) season would be less depressing because so many fans have complained about this. The way the last episode ended indicates that is true.

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
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I can't wait to see Spike with a soul! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[This message has been edited by ColinM (edited 06-22-2002).]

[SD] Bob Plisskin

06-19-2002, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by ColinM:
I can't wait to see Spike with a soul! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

yer thanks for that http://www.joblo.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

<OB>

idealdiscountdude

06-19-2002, 03:45 PM

I used to be a BIG Buffy fan when it first started, but as of late I haven't seen too many episodes.

However I did catch two episodes last year, the musical episode, which is the single best hour of TV I have ever seen and the gut-wrenching episode in which Joyce died.

I hope to get back on the ball and watch it this upcoming season, because those two episodes were PERFECT.

(My P.O.V- Why the hell hasn't Sarah Michelle Gellar been nominated for a Primetime Emmy yet????? She won one a Daytime Emmy back in the mid 90's for her role on All My Children. It pisses me off that Ms.Gellar, who gives the single best female performance on TV has never gotten her due!)

movielover-9

06-19-2002, 04:28 PM

I am also a complete Buffy fan. It is my all time favorite show. i am especially a big fan of Faith[Eliza Dushku]. I think it deserved to get more Emmys.

ColinM

06-19-2002, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by [SD] Bob Plisskin:
yer thanks for that http://www.joblo.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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http://www.joblo.com/ubb/confused.gif

edonline

06-19-2002, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by ColinM:
http://www.joblo.com/ubb/confused.gif

I think you might have wanted to put a <SPOILER> notice for people who have not seen the season finale...

Shane

06-21-2002, 04:07 PM

omg, almost everyone has seen the season finale, and if you live where the season finale has not been shown, oh well, fans have a right to talk about the episodes of season 6. Some people has not seen season 5, and there is talk about it above.

ColinM

06-22-2002, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by edonline:
I think you might have wanted to put a <SPOILER> notice for people who have not seen the season finale...

Dammit, I can't believe I forgot that. Sorry. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif

FilmBuff84

06-23-2002, 06:56 AM

BUFFY rocks! I've been with it from the beginning. It's been amazing watching this show develop and the characters. The acting has improved immensely, and Sarah Michelle Gellar definitely deserves an Emmy for her work. Her acting in the later episodes has been exceptional, watching her breakdown to Tara over Spike, in season 6, was heartbreaking and seeing her react to her mothers death was so real.

The shows funny, dramatic, at times horrific, I love it and i'm sad to see it go, because apparently next season will be the last.

Gandalf the Grey

06-23-2002, 10:14 AM

Just bought the first two seasons on DVD and watched them alreadys. 34 episodes in total. It really is a great show.

movielover-9

06-23-2002, 08:11 PM

I am a huge fan of "Buffy", but I didn't care for the 6th season, because it didn't have that Buffy feel to it. I prefer seasons 1-3 and 5 above the rest because the show reached its dramatic hegihts in these seasons. Season 1 has Buffy adjusting to Slayer life and dying and ressurecting. Season 2 has Buffy losing her innocence to Angel and Angel going evil. I loved this storyline because it showed deeply the love-hate relationship between the two. Season 3 has the arrival of Faith[Eliza Dushku, one of my favorites] and her eventual dive from badgirl Slayer to badgirl insane Slayer. it also has the Gang graduating. Season 5 has the arrival of Dawn and her heartbreaking importance to the World: the Key to life.

I love "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" because it
can craftly mix the elements of comedy, drama, horror, romance and action. My favorite characters: Buffy, Xander, Willow and Faith. Some of my favorite episodes would be "Hush", "I Only Have Eyes For You",
"Passion", "Amends", "Prophecy Girl" and many more! Thank you Joss Whedon!

SAI

07-02-2002, 09:22 AM

SPOILERS FOR BUFFY S6

I have (at last) now seen the opening episodes (1-11) of season six.
I'm not liking it as much as i did season 5. There's good and bad points.
On the plus side: The writing is as sharp as ever and the characters are still developing (quite an achievement at this stage, much as I love, for example, ER the characters haven't gone through any really significant changes for some time)
The performances are getting better and better.

I love the fact that Buffy was in heaven and is angry at being taken from there

The producers aren't afraid to be explicit. Both the sex and violence in this series have been far more explicit than I expect from a US TV series, if it carries on this way I can see BBFC slapping an 18 on the next boxset.

The minuses?
The 3 'villains' are perhaps the worst idea in the history of the show. They're not threatening, nor are they funny, at this stage they're just getting up my nose.

The use of magic as a drugs metaphor, while effective and well played by Alyson Hannigan (always my favourite person on the show) is a little obvious and heavy handed.

Leaving the season as a whole aside I HAVE to talk about "Once More With Feeling".
I was looking forward to the episode, but deeply suspicious. I really didn't see it working. How wrong I was. It's one of (if not THE) best episodes. Okay so not all the cast are gifted singers, but for me that made the episode easier to watch, if their voices had all been perfect it would have lost any sense of the reality which, for me, has always been one of the shows great strengths. I liked the songs because they were all there for a reason, all of them advanced the plot. Beyond the musical aspect the show looked wonderful, the widescreen frame was really exploited and resulted in some great shots.

Overall I'm looking forward to seeing how the season ends (I know some of the plot points, but not how they are arrived at) and I'll be sure to post something when I find out

Majin Imhotep

07-04-2002, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by SAI:
The 3 'villains' are perhaps the worst idea in the history of the show. They're not threatening, nor are they funny, at this stage they're just getting up my nose.

BIG SPOILERS (DON"T READ ANY FURTHER UNLESS YOU DON"T CARE TO BE SPOILED)

5

4

3

2

1

The Troika (thats what the three guys are called (I think) aren't a threat at all at the beginning. But around the middle of the season, they start to get more threatning until the leader, Warren, does something that I will not spoil but I will say it has a big effect on the last 3 episodes of the season.

EDsoulsurvive*

07-05-2002, 01:56 PM

buffy is my fav. tv series of all time! i know S6 wasn't exactly up to par but the last few episodes are some of the series best! next year it is not definite that S7 will be the last, but smg's contract is up. she may negotiate for another season or two but who knows.

ColinM

07-05-2002, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by EDsoulsurvive*:
buffy is my fav. tv series of all time! i know S6 wasn't exactly up to par but the last few episodes are some of the series best! next year it is not definite that S7 will be the last, but smg's contract is up. she may negotiate for another season or two but who knows.

She'd be stupid not to...

Kimmy

07-07-2002, 08:16 AM

1 of my favorits is where faith and buffy switch place and buffy get's spit on now that was cool
or just the one where they both end u in the hospital that was fun to

herculeez

07-09-2002, 08:46 PM

This was one of my fav programmes of all time...then series 3 ended, Angel left.
And in my opinion, the series lost it from there on.

EDsoulsurvive*

07-10-2002, 08:20 AM

what're everyone's fav seasons?

ColinM

07-10-2002, 10:23 AM

I'd definitely say Season 2 was the best season. It was in Season 2 that the show went from good to great. It had the greatest villians (Spike, Drusilla, The Judge, Angelus) and some of the great stories, plus the saddest death in the history of Buffy (excluding Doyle from Angel) with Ms. Calender. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/frown.gif

A truly excellent season. Season 3 comes in a close second...

SAI

07-10-2002, 11:25 AM

Probably season 3. I loved the evil characters in that season and almost every episode is rewatchable.

Season 5 is a close second. In that season I was impressed by how mature the show was able to be (see The Body, my pick for the single best episode of the all the seasons) and by the way that everything we had seen through the season affected it's conclusion

movielover-9

07-10-2002, 05:12 PM

season 3. mostly because it was the intro of one of my favorite characters Faith[Eliza Dushku]. The whole her turning evil thing was pretty well crafted. The Earshot episode was great.

i also enjoyed season 2 mostly because of the Buffy-Angel love-hate relationship in the last half.That thing was genius. I think it actually stopped a few teenage girls from having premarital sex. I liked the episode Passion and I Only Have Eyes For You. The finale was great as well.

ColinM

07-10-2002, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by movielover-9:
i also enjoyed season 2 mostly because of the Buffy-Angel love-hate relationship in the last half.That thing was genius. I think it actually stopped a few teenage girls from having premarital sex. I liked the episode Passion and I Only Have Eyes For You. The finale was great as well.

Passion was one of the most intense, emotional, greatest episodes of Buffy out there.

pod2010

07-10-2002, 10:06 PM

When does the new season start, isn't it on upn now, I am asking because I just saw an episode that i never saw before on upn

ColinM

07-10-2002, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by pod2010:
When does the new season start, isn't it on upn now, I am asking because I just saw an episode that i never saw before on upn

I'm about 98% positive the new season is not on UPN right now. What episode did you see?

pod2010

07-11-2002, 02:07 PM

I have not been paying that much attention to buffy since a long time so don't shot me for this if i am wrong, it was the episode when willow put a magic spell on them and they had amnesia, and spike looked as if he had a soul?

ColinM

07-11-2002, 03:41 PM

Nope, that's from this previous season that just ended. But it was an excellent episode!

movielover-9

07-11-2002, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by ColinM:
Passion was one of the most intense, emotional, greatest episodes of Buffy out there.

You got that right. During that episode and I Only Have Eyes For You I think I was so transfixed I wouldn't be able to tell if a fire had started!

Kimmy

07-12-2002, 07:31 AM

I can't believe i didn't think about this!
HUSH
maybe the best episode (after the one where faithe andbuffy switch place)
bbbuutt HUSH people with the guys who steal your voice , man i was almost scared, ALMOST i wasn't scared jet

ColinM

07-12-2002, 11:01 AM

Hush is my single favorite Buffy episode. Truly brilliant stuff! The gentlemen were among the creepiest villians I've ever seen on TV.

movielover-9

07-12-2002, 02:50 PM

Favorite Buffy Episodes
1. Hush
2. I Only Have Eyes For You
3. Passion
4. Amends
5. Prophecy Girl
6. The Wish
7. Who Are You?
8. Innocence
9. Doppelgangland
10. Angel

Honorable Mentions: Faith, Hope and Trick; Enemies; Welcome To Hellmouth; The Zeppo; Phases; The Body

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ColinM

07-12-2002, 02:57 PM

Good list, but in a effort to keep this a discussion board, why did you choose Hush as your favorite?

movielover-9

07-12-2002, 03:04 PM

Because I liked Passion and I Only Have Eyes For You, but Hush was just completely mesmerizing. The non-dialogue made it classic and brilliant and funny all at the same time. The atmosphere and The Gentlemen were tense and frightening. It was just superb!

edonline

07-12-2002, 06:55 PM

Hush was great because the actors managed to portray their characters so well, and the episode itself was by turns scary, dramatic and at time funny, without almost no dialogue.

I loved the scene in the library where everyone is trying to figure out how to kill the Gentleman and Buffy makes a stabbing motion near her crotch and Giles gives her funny look until she pulls her stake out of a bag.

ColinM

07-12-2002, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by edonline:
I loved the scene in the library where everyone is trying to figure out how to kill the Gentleman and Buffy makes a stabbing motion near her crotch and Giles gives her funny look until she pulls her stake out of a bag.

*LOL* Yeah, that part was hilarious!

herculeez

07-13-2002, 07:33 PM

I'll have to say Season 3 is my favourite out of all of them.

Common Sense Man

07-14-2002, 06:33 PM

Well working at UPN as well as FOX I get all the Buffy scoop a bit earlier than most and no the new season has not started yet. I will not start until late fall.

I have been with Buffy and the Scooby Gang from day one and I love the show the writting is great and I think this last season is one of the best.

They show they can do more than simple action and the standard fighting evil.

Dark Angel become a weak Buffy clone at the end and I am glad they put it out of it's misery.

I was getting a bit depressed waiting for the more Buffyessque episodes but I got over it as they kept on getting better and better.

The series is definately pumping up the volume on the revelations and twists.

That is one of the things I like most about it, they are not afraid to off a main character or take on the hard stories, yet at the same time they can throw in totally funny lines and irrelevant humor.

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/img/daily/590/smgeller_l.jpg

I am not sure how long Buffy will last but while it does I will be there.

"And next time you be the one to get the funny syphilis!"

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And on a completely different subject, it always suprises me when people get upset about spoilers in a thread about the show, what do you think we will be talking about?

Out..................................

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allykatD

07-14-2002, 08:00 PM

I'm a big Buffy fan. I have to admit, though, that I mostly tune in for Spike. Characters like his, bad semi-good morally ambiguous characters, are the most interesting.

Part of the last season did turn me off. WAY way too much angst. It's like the writers wrung all the characters inside out without real purpose except drama and ratings. Angst is good, but too much is depressing and a few episodes I switched off. I began to wonder if Crying Buffy would make a good drinking game. If we took a drink every time she sniffled and whined, we'd all be watching the end of the show from under the table with one blood-shot eye.

I think Spike saved the season with his smart cracking wise-ass mouth.

SPOILER SPOILER DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE LAST SEASON FINALE.

WARNING

okay

I hope they don't make Spike a dog-belly wimp now that he has his soul back. Please don't make his all broody, angsty and sullen like Angel.

-Ally

ColinM

07-15-2002, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Common Sense Man:
Well working at UPN as well as FOX I get all the Buffy scoop a bit earlier than most and no the new season has not started yet. I will not start until late fall.

Hey, maybe you can confirm this for me, then, since I've been hearing conflicting things about it: weill Buffy's season be the last season?

ColinM

07-15-2002, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by allykatD:
Part of the last season did turn me off. WAY way too much angst. It's like the writers wrung all the characters inside out without real purpose except drama and ratings. Angst is good, but too much is depressing and a few episodes I switched off. I began to wonder if Crying Buffy would make a good drinking game. If we took a drink every time she sniffled and whined, we'd all be watching the end of the show from under the table with one blood-shot eye.

I think Spike saved the season with his smart cracking wise-ass mouth.

SPOILER SPOILER DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE LAST SEASON FINALE.

WARNING

okay

I hope they don't make Spike a dog-belly wimp now that he has his soul back. Please don't make his all broody, angsty and sullen like Angel.

I agree to an extent with you about the last season. I thought it was actually quite good, but I think they overdid it a few times on the depressed Buffy angle and the "I'm so left out and ignored" Dawn angle. Still though, I really enjoyed most of the season...

I'm curious how Spike will be, too. I doubt he'll be too sappy.

Batgirl1979

07-15-2002, 02:36 PM

www.DarkHorizons.com/news/020709.htm (http://www.DarkHorizons.com/news/020709.htm) reports that CNN reported that Luke Perry will guest star on Buffy next season reprising his role as Pyke. Who knows if this is true but if it is I wonder who that will work out. Personally I would rather see Seth Green return for a cameo.

ColinM

07-15-2002, 04:10 PM

That would be cool! I've heard rumors before of Pyke coming to the show but they were never reliable. I'd like to see how Joss handles it...

Common Sense Man

07-15-2002, 10:30 PM

Well even with inside information you can never tell.

I mean it the money is there and the series is still popular they will continue.

But SMG has said she wants to go out on top not drag the series down slowly.

And as far as Pyke coming back I kind of doubt it as SMG said she would never make a Buffy Movie as she hates the original and has worked hard to distance herself from the on screen Buffy.

So for Pyke to come back would seem a little strange to me.

But I agree bring back the Sethster for a episode or two.

Out...............................

ColinM

07-15-2002, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Common Sense Man:
And as far as Pyke coming back I kind of doubt it as SMG said she would never make a Buffy Movie as she hates the original and has worked hard to distance herself from the on screen Buffy.

Who can blame her? Man, that movie sucked...

urbanlegend23

07-25-2002, 02:34 AM

What did everyone think of the musical episode ONCE MORE WITH FEELING and SMG's singing? I thought that episode was one of the best so far, right behind the heart-wrenching episode THE BODY.

SAI

07-25-2002, 04:05 AM

The Body is (and I'm sure will remain) Buffy's finest hour. That said Once More With Feeling was brilliant. I was surprised how good SMG sounded and particularly impressed with Amber Benson's voice.

It didn't matter to me that the majority of the cast weren't terribly good singers (though I'm glad they kept Alyson Hannigan's solos to a minimum)it would have been too big stretch for me if they had all had wonderful singing voices. As it was the show retains the reality that I love about Buffy.

The fact that it's not got any major emmy nominations (however it came about) is a fucking travesty. It'd better win best musical direction.

AppleHuntr

07-25-2002, 04:40 PM

I find it WAY too hard to pick favorite episodes because there are far too many and I'd hate to exclude them. It's easier to break it down into seasons.
1-A bit cheesy at first, pretty crappy effects, but a good show with loads of potential and very entertaining.
2-Maybe the series best season, very funny and great drama, ended with the Becoming Episodes that were perfect and completed a great season.
3-Faith..mmmmm...she really was delicious and she didnt overstay her welcome (as did Riley). The finale was good, not great, but the other eps with the buffy/faith face offs were some of the shows finest moments.
4-Buffy goes to college and the show has fun, but struggles with, the adjustments. The Initiative was a good idea, but Riley (more like Marc Blucas) was deadly dull and didnt fit in at all. Other than him, a solid season with the help of HUSH and Faiths great return.
5-Struggled a bit because of Riley, but the eps were good but became great once he finally left starting with The Body and the ultra-camp fun of Glory. Excellent end of the shows run on the WB, an epic finale.
6-An awkward season that struggled with the loss of Joss Whedon(not fully, though) but a very interesting human approach (the trio) brought a new angle into the show, BTVS went through a little slump mid-season after Wrecked (her job at the burger place and Riley's return) but hit a stride with Normal Again all the way to the dark, extremely impressive finale. A very solid season(and that musical...DAMN!)

Does anybody else wonder why so many people have ditched the show during its run? I used to have a lot of firends who watched but gradually stopped. Im like the only one left, it is till the best show on TV period, cuz even during its rough patches its better than 99% of what else is on TV. I could ramble on forever about this shwo if that wasnt already made obvious. BUFFY IS #1!!!

ColinM

07-25-2002, 10:48 PM

My favorite episode is Hush, but both Once More With Feeling and The Body are in at least my Top Ten, probably my Top Five. Great episodes all. Nobody can convince me that Giles is not the fucking man after Season Six. He made the greatest entrance in the shows history ("I'd like to test that theory") in the finale, and he has a completely kickass singing voice. So does Tara, my God is that girl talented.

ColinM

07-29-2002, 02:25 PM

*BUMP*

TheFrost

07-29-2002, 03:53 PM

Why doesn't Buffy fight in a mini-skirt, that way when she goes for a high kick she can distract the monsters http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

JCR

07-29-2002, 04:11 PM

The pyke thing was confirmed as wrong the day after it broke on DH by AICN.

ColinM

07-29-2002, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by JCR:

The pyke thing was confirmed as wrong the day after it broke on DH by AICN.

Damn, I wouldn't liked to see Pyke on the snow...

Batgirl1979

07-29-2002, 07:23 PM

I just read in another thread that Once more with feeling will be released on CD sept.17 2002. All I have to say is RIGHT ON it's about time. Unlike others I can't burn them off the internet so this is Music to my ears!

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F.E.A.R~Fuck Everything And Run

EDsoulsurvive*

08-06-2002, 01:30 PM

OMG!! great news!!!! Faith will return on angel and buffy! omg!!!!

(< flipping out)

SatchVaiPez

08-09-2002, 05:57 PM

Buffy was my fav show for along time...I started watching it the night the 2 hour pilot first aired, and was hooked from the get-go....I still really dig the show, but I'd have to say it jumped the shart after graduation...The show has gotten more and more depressing, not as much humor, not as much cool music, but supposedly next season is supposed to revisit some of the earlier aspects....I actually look forward to Angel more every week then Buffy usually, but I liked this last season a lot better than 5, which I would deem as my least fav season

urbanlegend23

08-14-2002, 07:22 PM

I am eagerly awaiting the return of Faith in Season 7.

NZ is quite behind on Buffy, but I just saw the episode Wrecked, and I have to say it was one of my favourite episodes in the series so far. It made cry - Alyson Hannigan was absolutely brilliant. Especially towards the end. I love the way they are focusing a lot on the witchcraft at the moment, and also on the relationship between Buffy and Spike. But that episode was just...brilliant, heartbreaking...about my #4 favourite so far ever in the series. Anyone else like it?

Kimmy

08-17-2002, 10:24 AM

i thought it was funny that they said that britney spears was coming into the show but SMG hated it so that won't continue THANK GOD

then that pyke guy guy is he based on the movie or was he on the show already?
because the last one i saw was when she died so i think i'm way behind you guys

an other thing there's a musical episode of buffy and how many episodes to go (from the one she died) or did i miss that episode?

SPOILERS*SPOILERS*

and spike with a soul? would buffy fall for him like with angel because she obviously like tormented guy's. what if he becomes an other angel and cries about his sins

then , FAITH IS COMING BACK?
that's great!!!!!can't wait

ALLYKATD that's a really great idea form the drinking game, just put the episode on take glasses and start drinking,i'm gonna try that

and this is the last thing, i promise but could you give some fun episodes from buffy (after the one she died)please

i lied there're 2 things left
-when she died who took care of DAwn?
-if she goes away from the show and dawn takes the main role i stop watching; like i think a lot of you are.

RIGHT?

Kimmy

08-17-2002, 10:38 AM

and an other thing:
if faith comes back hhow the hell is she going to get out of prison?
i'll bet that they are gonna say she sat out her time and you're gonna see her coming out of the prison(at the end of the episode) with boots and a long way to walk at a dusty highway, and she has her hair in her face at first but when she pulls it away you see it's her...

and my imagination is way to big to be good for me

JCPhoenix

08-17-2002, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Kimmy:
i lied there're 2 things left
-when she died who took care of DAwn?
-if she goes away from the show and dawn takes the main role i stop watching; like i think a lot of you are.
RIGHT?

1. Willow, Tara, and the rest of the gang combined took care of Dawn as you saw in the first episode of Season 6.
2. If she goes away from the show and Dawn takes over...I dunno...I might watch, and I might not...I don't actually think it could work, but I'd probably watch the first couple episodes and keep an open mind...and hope for the best...But how can we have a Buffyless Buffy?...

Kim_EZ

08-17-2002, 02:27 PM

SPOILERS

Faith's return to Angel might consist of her being let loose to stop Angeleus - evil Angel.

As for her return to Buffy, rumors only say that it might have to do with an integral part of the ending of Buffy. Not sure if they meant the series, or season 7.

END OF SPOILERS

Seth Green said in EW, I believe, that he doesn't want to return to BtVS.

Pyke? Ew, I think Angel kind of represents Pyke's character in BtVS TV. But as a vampire.

Britney being on BtVS was as fake as her being Samantha's niece on Sex and the City this season.

For the love of God, bring back Anthony Stewart Head. This is why S6 wasn't as good - no adults really.

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B-ball Dude

08-17-2002, 06:18 PM

I don't watch it alot but I really like it. It is a great show and very fun.

JCR

08-19-2002, 11:29 AM

I'm loving today. We may get buffy later here than in the usa, but the last eps of season 6 came out on video today in the uk, and I got to take the day off work drink some beer and watch 11 buffy eps I'd never seen before in a row. I may be sad as the trio, but I'm having a great time. I prefer watching it this way than waiting a week for a new one. And hey I've got 11 Angels to go after.

I like today.

AmunRaTRON

08-19-2002, 04:33 PM

I luved last season i think that it was a nice change of pace to have a darker edgeir season on tv

TheFrost

08-19-2002, 04:39 PM

I heard Buffy herself (Sarah Michelle Gellar) said she didn't want to be Buffy anymore. True?

I stopped watching Buffy when season 4 came around, it was stupid and the worst season ever!! Chuffin' military types ruined Buffy I thought. Since then I aint watched Buffy in ages.

Kim_EZ

08-20-2002, 03:02 AM

Season 5 redeemed a disappointing Season 4. Glory, the Key, Dawn, Joyce... god, what a great season.

Crippler

08-23-2002, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by TheFrost:
I heard Buffy herself (Sarah Michelle Gellar) said she didn't want to be Buffy anymore. True?


Yeah,

She wants to do more feature films.

Scooby Doo = Yuck....

She rocked in Cruel Intentions though. .

Batgirl1979

08-25-2002, 06:22 PM

I live in Canada and I've heard that Angel is moving to sunday nights. I was wondering does anyone who lives in Canada know if that is true here. We have always got Buffy and Angel on Tuesday nights on the New Vr and Thurday's Angel on Space. Also when Do the New seasons for both start.

djc

08-25-2002, 07:35 PM

does anyone know when season 3 come out on dvd?

Barnumyay

08-25-2002, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Batgirl1979:
I live in Canada and I've heard that Angel is moving to sunday nights. I was wondering does anyone who lives in Canada know if that is true here. We have always got Buffy and Angel on Tuesday nights on the New Vr and Thurday's Angel on Space. Also when Do the New seasons for both start.

I live in canada too and I haven't heard of any day change for Angel...but it don't matter since I always watch it on monday on The WB anyways...

and....The new season for Buffy starts on September 24th less than a month woohooo!

Barnumyay

08-25-2002, 08:34 PM

wait a minute...

just checked the WB's website and Angel is listed as being on Sundays at 9 now....WTF?

Also, Season premiere for Angel is October 6th!!!

Americana

08-27-2002, 06:49 AM

BUFFY WOOOO HOOOO.

But what the fuck is up with Angel??? Why so damn late??? I would think they'd put it same as Buffy with the Premieres wouldn't you??? aha who cares at least it's Premiering soon. Yeah baby yeah!!!

AppleHuntr

09-01-2002, 01:45 PM

This is a semi-bump, but also some news. If you want to watch the SEASON 7 PROMO, its up over at www.buffyupn.com (http://www.buffyupn.com) Most of it is actually clips from season 6 (and yes, Tara is blurred out, that cause quite a stir at the Buffy boards, but it is a promo for a season she wont be in) but towards the end it gets to new stuff, like dawn going to high school. September 24 that means its......24 days away! Cant wait!

SAI

09-02-2002, 06:16 PM

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Overall I'm looking forward to seeing how the season ends (I know some of the plot points, but not how they are arrived at) and I'll be sure to post something when I find out[/B]

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I'm sure you've all been waiting impatiently for me to write about what i thought of the rest of season 6.

Again it was good and bad. First off I want to talk about content. Throughout seaon 6 I've been surprised at how explicit in terms of sex and violence the show has become. I am actually shocked that the second boxset of season 6 isn't an 18, if only for the attempted rape scene towards the end of the season (one of the most disturbing scenes in the shows history). I do think the sex and violence have been used well, both have enhanced and informed the drama (and it was good to see the show become more dramatic in the latter stages of the season)

Majin Imhotep hit the nail on the head with what he said about the trio in response to my earlier post, they do become more of a palpable threat (but they still got on my nerves and weren't as threatening as they might have been) I now see why they were used, I see the point of the whole season; however dangerous demons and gods can be there is nothing more dangerous than someone willing to fire a gun at someone else. It's a good message.

The season finale (though i liked the evil Willow story, and the fact that it really gave a new dimension to such an established character) was disappointing, I can already see that they are setting up Dawn to take over when SMG leaves, taking, I am sure, the audience with her. The end was never really in doubt, I never thought they'd kill Willow off (and was pleased to be proved right, shes my favourite character) but the fight between her and Giles was poor, violence by way of bad CG.

Otherwise there are some fantastic moments in this set of episodes. Hells Bells was an excellent episode, showcasing the best of the comedic and dramatic aspects of the show and Seeing Red was another particularly fine moment. I don't recall the title but the episode in which Buffy thought she was imagining Sunnydale from a mental asylum was a brilliant idea, even if it didn't quite work. There were some poor moments as well, Doublemeat Palace being particularly lazy.

I am a bit nervous about how s7 will go. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with regard to Willow, Xander and Anya after how Xander ended the series. I HATE the idea of Spike with a soul, I never liked Angel much and they risk thurning an intereting character into a pretty ineffectual one by that move. I also never really liked Dawn (and Michelle Trachtenbergs voice really get on my nerves) so her increased involvement worries me.

All this said, I'll be watching it

JCR

09-03-2002, 04:51 AM

I have to say I saw the shocking and more likely than not soon to be bbfc rejected irreversible last week, and I saw seeing red. And I thought seeing red was worse- not in terms of explictness obivously, but because I care about the characters in seeing red, and I did not in irreversible.

As for the trio the one thing that sort of got on my nerves slightly was I thought the series came quite close to taking the piss out of it's own fanbase. Clearly they were way OTT, but I am quite happy to say I'm a film geek, and I'm sure at least some of the people who watch buffy saw some part of themselves in the trio. I'm not saying it did go as far as mockery, but I still think it's a little suprising they went down this path.

As for the whole dawn thing, I would repeat my belief that if SMG goes, the series is over. They have already drained all the emotion from the concept of killing buffy, so I don't think killing her again would work. IMO doing a season 8 without her would be a BAD idea.

Kimmy

09-06-2002, 05:58 AM

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in angel(i know it's a buffy topic) darla is pregnant right, who is the father?and if it's angel, is that how he lost his soul AGAIN

Kim_EZ

09-07-2002, 12:34 AM

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He didn't lose his soul again. He didn't love Darla enough to make it a true moment of happpiness... So, Darla was basically just used.

EDsoulsurvive*

09-11-2002, 07:20 PM

okay can i get a big HELL YEAH?!?!?!?!? BUFFY STARTS UP AGAIN IN LESS THAN 2 WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Horror whore

09-11-2002, 08:00 PM

Can anyone tell me anything about season 7?! All I know is Giles will be on for 10 episodes, and Dawn now attends the newly re-opened Sunnydale High...

Toneybeen

09-12-2002, 09:53 AM

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The first episode of Season Seven will be "Lessons" by Joss (yay!). It's set in Bath (that's in England, for those who don't know), where Giles takes Willow to the coven that he was channelling the magick from in "Grave" and "Two To Go". There, they try to help her get rid of the magick, and also get over the whole killing Warren thang.
Also, in the first few eps we'll see Buffy start a new job as counsellor at the newly-rebuilt Sunnydale High, where Dawn also starts attending. Dawn'll make some new friends, and there's something about them getting trapped in the school basement with a load of zombies or something.
Plus, look out for appearances from Glory, The Master, Oz and Faith.

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09-12-2002, 03:52 PM

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Plus, look out for appearances from Glory, The Master, Oz and Faith.

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Wow, that should be interesting.

Kim_EZ

09-12-2002, 06:30 PM

I am not sure Oz is coming back. In an article, he said he didn't want to go back to BtVS.

As for Faith...

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She'll be back for the last 5 episodes of Buffy S7 and 3 episodes of Angel. Her appearance on Angel will be to fight Angelus. Yes, Angelus.

Also, there is speculation that Anya will give up her life in episode 5 or 6 in order to reverse a wish.

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urbanlegend23

09-14-2002, 07:17 AM

What is everyone's top 20 Buffy episodes. I've been watching it a lot lately (my total amount of episodes now watched is 34). Here's mine:

1. The Body (Season 5, Episode 16)
2. Once More, With Feeling (Season 6, Episode 7)
3. Graduation Day, Part 2 (Season 3, Episode 22)
4. Becoming Part 2 (Season 2, Episode 22)
5. Graduation Day, Part 1 (Season 3, Episode 21)
6. Becoming Part 1 (Season 2, Episode 21)
7. Enemies (Season 3, Episode 17)
8. Doppelgangland (Season 3, Episode 16)
9. Out of Mind, Out of Sight (Season 1, Episode 11)
10. Wrecked (Season 6, Episode 10)
11. Earshot (Season 3, Episode 18)
12. Go Fish (Season 2, Episode 20)
13. Innocence (Season 2, Episode 14)
14. Choices (Season 3, Episode 19)
15. The Prom (Season 3, Episode 20)
16. Gingerbread (Season 3, Episode 11)
17. Prophecy Girl (Season 1, Episode 12)
18. Tabula Rasa (Season 6, Episode 8)
19. When She Was Bad (Season 2, Episode 1)
20. Bad Eggs (Season 2, Episode 12)

JCR

09-14-2002, 08:50 AM

Bad eggs was so so stupid. And there was an ep of Star trek TNG that did the same idea much better- I can't remember what it's called but it was one of the last ones of their season 1.

My top 20 (well 21) buffy eps in order, but the top ones are so good they are interchangeable:

Passions (2.17)
Hush (4.10)
Bewitched bothered and bewildered (2.16)
Lie to me (2.7)
School Hard (2.3)
Once more with feeling (6.6)
Suprise/Innocence (2.13/14)
The pack (1.7)
Earshot (3.18)
Restless (4.22)
Welcome to the hellmouth (1.1)
Dead mans party (3.2)
I only have eyes for you (2.19)
When she was bad (2.1)
Lovers walk (3.8)
Seeing Red (6.19)
Fool for love (5.8)
Homecoming (3.5)
The Zeppo (3.13)
Who are you? (4.16)

Worst ep by about 1 million miles: Beer Bad.

The jury's still out on the body for me. The change from the usual fantasy to the very serious was to uncomfortable, and the whole thing was too depressing for me. Was trying to win an emmy really that important? The body is a good ep- I'm just not sure if I like it.

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Kim_EZ

09-14-2002, 03:03 PM

The Body wasn't about getting an Emmy. Sometimes, you have to realize that these characters have emotions too and when they lose someone so detrimental to the Slayer's world, it hurts. And they can't always be mouthing off and making witty remarks. I love the Body because we got to see some disturbing scenes of realistic reaction to someone's death.

Anya's performance was good. It gave her the character development she so desperately needed.

Life isn't a big happy picture in the BtVS world either.

JCR

09-15-2002, 05:03 AM

Contains season 6 spoilers

Life isn't a big happy picture in the BtVS world either.

Hey there's an understatement. Whedon's like of building characters up and killing them has got to the stage where it is hurting the show now I think, and it weakens the effect the body had- they are trying to get to much emotional reaction out of me and it's causing me to think evil willow was right: "Mom! Buffy! Tara! Wah!" It's to much and I'm starting not to care. Ultmately the body is let down for me because it is too different from other eps of the series. It stands out. But because it stands out I begin to wonder if it was ever meant to be anything but a Hush-Once more with feeling let's boost the ratings with a gimmick ep idea, and that let's it down in my cynical mind.

You are right about Anya, but I'm not sure Anya should really be anything but a comic relief character, who would not have appeared in the series full time had Cordy not left.

God I just want it to be fun! Like season 2-3. Well I know you can't really relive the past, but still.

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Klownzilla

09-15-2002, 10:31 AM

Is anyone bothered by Oz's werewolf fx in the show? The first time he transformed, he was like 6 feet tall and his head was like a real wolf's. In later episodes when he transformed, it's like he decreased in appearance. He was smaller and he looked like a badger instead of the brute he was supposed to be.

Kim_EZ

09-15-2002, 08:15 PM

Season 7 is going to be back to the mood of the beginning of the series - lighter but still with drama.

And the Body aired during sweeps, so of course they'd do something like killing off a character. (Kristine Sutherland was leaving anyway because she wanted to be with her family.) So, of course it was for ratings, but that should phase the fact that The Body was a great episode.

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AppleHuntr

09-18-2002, 05:15 PM

During last nights rerun, there was a FULL PROMO that they'll probably airing a lot more now. I'm excited cuz i need a NEW buffy fix, although there's really not much suspense because of no-cliffhangers, that doesnt bother me though, Entertainment Weekly had an early review and said it rocked, they called it a "cocker" (?) and it was "full of surprises"! YEAH!!!!! Buffy: The musical out on Sept. 24 too!!!!!! I can tell, it'll be a good day.

EDsoulsurvive*

09-18-2002, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by AppleHuntr:
During last nights rerun, there was a FULL PROMO that they'll probably airing a lot more now. I'm excited cuz i need a NEW buffy fix, although there's really not much suspense because of no-cliffhangers, that doesnt bother me though, Entertainment Weekly had an early review and said it rocked, they called it a "cocker" (?) and it was "full of surprises"! YEAH!!!!! Buffy: The musical out on Sept. 24 too!!!!!! I can tell, it'll be a good day.

awesome!!!! i got head over to ew!!!! i can't wait for the OMWF sdtrk on sept 24!!!!!!

JCR

09-19-2002, 06:46 PM

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"As we've heard these last few weeks, bads from all seasons will appear in a single scene at the end of 7.1. The morphing sequence: Warren into Glory into Adam into Mayor Wilkins into Drusilla into The Master into Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It might be Spike’s delusion, but did Spike meet Wilkins in season three? "

Can anyone explain what this means? Morphing sequence?

Kim_EZ

09-19-2002, 09:08 PM

Spoilers

Well, there's supposed to be a new bad guy that can change his/her/its appearance.

I don't know if I believe this, though... Seems way too cheesy.

But then again, it could be the First Evil. It did impersonate Jenny Calendar ("Amends", S3).

ColinM

09-24-2002, 10:46 PM

I guess it could be the First Evil, but I'm hoping it's something new. The First Evil has been done before...

The season premiere tonight wasn't bad, but watching it makes me think that the show just isn't what it once was (Season 2 & 3 was the peak). The villians just seemed...I dunno...barely there. Buffy hardly acknowledged them, so they didn't come off as much of a threat. There wasn't enough Anya in this episode either. And man did Spike's hair look lousy. It looks like he dipped his head in a toilet! (My gf liked it, though.) Otherwise, it was alright. It was kinda cool seeing the school reopened, and I think I'll like Buffy's role there. Willow and Giles in England is pretty cool, too.

Mike

09-25-2002, 12:16 AM

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I really enjoyed tonights season premiere. The big surprise for me was the new and improved Dawn. I'm glad they decided to make her more mature, she didn't even whine once on this episode. I think she will be a lot more interesting this season, she was pretty interesting in the first episode anyway. I'm very pleased that they decided to make her more interesting because she wasn't very interesting last season, of course she was never that interesting. I think this season will change that, it looks promising. By the way, she actually looked pretty good in this first episode, better than in previous seasons.

Overall, I really enjoyed the episode. I also like the idea of Buffy getting a job at the school, I think that should be interesting. I think this will be a good season.

Kim_EZ

09-25-2002, 12:22 AM

I think Seasons 6-7 (so far...) dun have the good ol' fashioned Buffy feeling of the first 5 seasons, but I did enjoy "Lessons" tonight. It was better than I expected.

The new high school doesn't look that different to me. Inside wise. And I'm glad Xander lost a little weight. Anya's new hair. Ugh. And why was she dressed like an Amish vengeance demon? o.O

And yes, I agree about Dawn. I preferred her attitude and maturity tonight. No whining necessary!

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ColinM

09-25-2002, 01:17 AM

Yeah, I forgot but Mike is right about Dawn. Since it's looking more and more like Dawn will take over after SMG leaves the show, I'm glad she isn't the whiny pain-in-the-ass anymore.

Common Sense Man

09-25-2002, 04:41 AM

Well I am a huge Buffy fan have been since day one, I enjoyed the season opener but was a bit put off by what appears to be a retread of the original plot.

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Rebuilding the school, having the hell mouth re-open, going back to school, having Dawn basically get a Scooby Gang of her own.

Obviously they are thinking of trying to keep the series going after SMG leaves, maybe when she croaks Dawn will become the new Slayer.

I just hope it doesn't revert back to the old show, I liked the old shows but we have seen that already.

But I have a bad feeling this is just going to be Buffy Jr. with a new cast in the same ole situations.

Out............................................

Horror whore

09-25-2002, 06:40 AM

I'm so happy that last night's episode was good. I think Buffy has just un-jumped the shark. I don't like the way the new school looks though, it looks like a Microsoft building or something... And what was up with that ending?! I was confused, not a bad thing though....

Kim_EZ

09-25-2002, 09:39 PM

Okay, I really am tired of hearing about Dawn taking Buffy's place as the Slayer. o.O It's not a job at Jack in the Box. You just can't apply. It's blood. It's lineage. And Faith is the Slayer right now. Buffy hasn't been the "real" Slayer since season 1's finale. So there can't be a new Slayer unless Faith dies.

Oh, and if Dawn does become the "Slayer", I am going to be disappointed because Joss Whedon and co. basically took a unique legacy and threw away all the rules. x.x;

If Dawn takes over, she's not the Slayer. She's Dawn, a girl who fights demons and vamps. Willow and Xander fought demons and vamps and they're not Slayers. They're Scoobies. Big diff. Unless Slayer is now a loose term for a demon fighter. o.O

My Season 6 speculation is that the new enemy (the shapeshifter in the end of Lessons) wants to open the Hellmouth and use Dawn (she still is the Key...)'s energy for that. Or possibly, the First Evil from Season 3 is back.

Could the new Principal Woods be evil? A spy? Someone from the Watcher's Council, sent to watch the Scoobies. Or maybe another side character that knows a little about what's really happening in Sunnydale.

Spike couldn't have imagined theshapeshifter because he never met the Master (to our knowledge) or the Mayor in Season 3.

OT - David Greenwalt (I think) talked about the slight possibilty (read: never) of there being a Faith spin-off if Eliza Dushku wants to do it.

Americana

09-26-2002, 04:41 PM

Okay this fucking sucks ass major time. I mean First My Local TV Station blows off the Whole Season 7 of Buffy at the last possible moment to Add Gillmore Girls to the Line-Up. Now once again they fuck my Fall line-up up by Cutting off Angel again at the last moment just to Add the fucked up Show Everwood to the Line-up.

WHHHHHHHHHHHHHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I so fucking hate my Local Stations, ALL OF THEM!!!!

I need someones help here. I can't download off KaZaA because my sound system is down so I won't hear a word of it. So I need to know where I can Buy episodes of Buffy and Angel On-line (If Possible)????

P.S. Thank God I still have my Smallville Show up n Running. At least I have that to keep me busy this fall. :D

Horror_Fanatic

09-26-2002, 06:58 PM

Just a bit of news. Buffy Season 3 on DVD now has a release date of January 7th, 2003. At least thats what TvShowsOnDVD.com (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/) has posted.

edonline

09-26-2002, 07:52 PM

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The discussion between Anya and the other demon seems to indicate that there are already plenty of demons roaming around. Then, the scene at the end where the baddie says "It's all about power" seems to mean that someone or something will try to control the power of good and evil on Earth. Maybe this will be an ultimate fight between the good and evil, not necessarily god and evil beings, but the ULTIMATE forces of good and evil since before Creation (the statement "We're going back before the Word" i.e. the Voice of God), and everything will play a part in the battle (cue Willow's new connection with the Earth). The high school will be "training ground" for the power of good.

ColinM

09-26-2002, 08:21 PM

I like that theory, that could work.

Kim_EZ

09-26-2002, 08:33 PM

Anything religion-wise will not be included into BtVS most likely b/c Joss wants to keep his work and religious stuff separate.

Also, I think that the entity in the end of Lessons (the shapeshifter) wants Dawn. It says, "...it's all about power." Perhaps this thing has been watching Buffy and Dawn, and it wants the Key's power. Harness it for whatever (there's a nice Hellmouth just waiting to be ripped open).

edonline

09-26-2002, 08:43 PM

The only problem with using Dawn as the key is that the same scenerio was used just two seasons ago (not that JW and co. don't recycle scenes) and it seems to easy to use the same plot. Perhaps they will use her in another way...

Kim_EZ

09-26-2002, 09:05 PM

The First Evil might be coming back into play. They did impersonate Jenny Calendar to torture Angel.

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As for the Dawn theory... In the Fray comics, it's mentioned in the very beginning that a female closed the Hellmouth in the 21st century. Who could it be? Buffy, Faith... Dawn?

Americana

09-27-2002, 10:10 PM

Well I better give this Puppy a lil ol "Bump" just for the hell of it.

Oh yeah and.... I'm Still wondering if anyone has VCD's of Buffy that they would like to sell. I know it's just the first Episode but Anything's good here. Thank You...

Dark Minister

09-27-2002, 11:03 PM

Here is my predictions for the season...

I think that is the First Evil (the shapeshifter). I think that several people are going to die (Xander, Anya, Giles, and eventually Buffy, again) by season's end to make room for Dawn and her new friends (Who are basically Willow and Xander jr) I think that Faith will show up, die (As much as I hate to say it, I love Faith!!!),
and then Dawn becomes the new slayer. I don't know, I just have a feeling some of these things will happen. I also think that the new principal is The First Evil in disguise. He wants to keep tabs on Buffy, his office is over the Hellmouth, etc. Opinons?

Kim_EZ

09-27-2002, 11:31 PM

Uh, I don't think they're gonna kill off Xander and Giles. Anya was rumored to die in an episode in order to reverse a wish, but it's nearly confirmed that that it's not gonna happen. As for Buffy dying again... Please, no! That's terrible. She's died 2 times already. Enough is enough. She's not a cat.

And I am against Dawn becoming the Slayer, or whatever. ~.~ She's not a Slayer, she's a friggin' Scooby who fights.

AppleHuntr

09-28-2002, 03:16 PM

I thoroughly enjoyed the season premiere, I agree that Dawn wasnt annoying (WITH the exception of that speech she gave to her class, i was too pleased when Buffy interrupted) and the last few minutes were a GREAT surprise, I was so excited (thats what ya get when you AVOID spoilers: big surprises! woo-hoo!)

I JUST got Once More, With Feeling the soundtrack and it ROCKS, the sound quality is GREAT (my burned copy was pretty shitty) and it has some good extras (like scores from other episodes like Hush and ALL lyrics included plus pics!) An EXCELLENT cd that you have to pick up if you loved the ep, like me. Cant wait for next weeks ep, Ill be visiting this thread often to talk buffy cuz on the site (www.buffyupn.com ) they took the message board down!Plus none of my friends watch and they love to make fun of me for Buffy and they refuse to give it a chance (grrr).
Great start to whats hopefully a great season.

edonline

10-02-2002, 12:58 PM

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Okay, both new episodes of Buffy have started off with girls being chased and then killed. Who are they supposed to be, Slayers? The rule was supposed to be only one slayer, but the broke the rule before when it was believed that Buffy was dead. But now, there are/were at least 4 or 5 running around?

And what is going on with Spike? Now he can see and hear his victims?

Anyone have any ideas where the show is going with these details? I still think there may be an ultimate fight between the forces of good and evil, with the demons having to decide on which side to fight.

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10-02-2002, 02:00 PM

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Well I always thought there where more than one Slayer just not in the same area. Becasue there are too many Vampires around the world for just on Slayer so each part of the country would have their own, but that is not the point of this post.

To answer you Spike question he now has a soul so he feels remorse and guilt for all the people he has killed, so he is hearing their voices in his head. They are not litterally talking to him it is just the dead from his past tormenting him. Imagine hundreds of years of guilt attacking you all at once you would go bonkers too.

I do believe he is talking to the big evil that is coming as we saw that last episode.

I must say I am extremely disappointed in the way they went with Spike.

At the end of the cliffhanger episode when you knew Spike got his soul back I also assumed he was made human again.

That would have been a great plot like, Spike totally human trying to pretend he is still a Vampire, but he can go in the sun, hit people because his chip would have been nulified etc, that would have made for some good stuff. Plus wouldn't you think Buffy would want a human over a Vamp for her true love?

But then come to episode 2 and we find out they basically made Spike Angel Jr. What a let down.

So now we basically have Buffy starting all over again.

We have Dawn as the up and coming Slayer with her own Scoobies, we have the old school back, we have Zander unattached with Willow coming back, and they keep showing the I love you bit in the previews so expect a Zander Willow hook up.

We have Spike/Angel for Buffy.

It just seems like the entire season is going backwards instead of forwards.

Now all we need is for Giles to come back to make it complete.

I hope things get better.

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Mike

10-02-2002, 03:18 PM

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I must say I am extremely disappointed in the way they went with Spike.

At the end of the cliffhanger episode when you knew Spike got his soul back I also assumed he was made human again.

That's what I thought too. That would have been much more interesting than where they ended up going with him. The stuff with him now isn't very interesting.

I really enjoyed the first episode but the second one could have been better, I expected more anyway. It was still good but I had my hopes up and was highly anticipating the next episode so I felt a little letdown. Hopefully the next one will be better.

By the way, am I the only one that thought the beginning of tonights episode started out looking like an episode of ALIAS? I knew it was BUFFY but I was reminded of ALIAS.

JCR

10-02-2002, 03:24 PM

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I must say I am extremely disappointed in the way they went with Spike.

I agree. I live in the uk and will not see S7 till next summer (I don't mind, I get to watch all the eps over 1 weekend on VHS which I like better than waiting for a new 1 every week) but from reading the wildfeeds I don't see the point of keeping the chip and giving him a soul, surely if he has a soul he has to decide what to do of his own free will, and that choice is impaired by the chip.

Didn't the makers of buffy ever see A Clockwork Orange?

JCR

10-02-2002, 03:35 PM

That's what I thought too. That would have been much more interesting than where they ended up going with him. The stuff with him now isn't very interesting.

It may have been more interesting, but it would have been less logical if you look at the franchise as a whole. Angels aim, it was established in the S1 finale of his series, is to become human. I know he wants to earn it (see: In the dark) but if it could be done so easily it still would undermine Angels quest a bit I feel.

Kim_EZ

10-02-2002, 03:43 PM

Spike can never be human. His body is "dead". And the demonic being still lurks inside his body, clashing with his regained soul. Hence his insane moments he's been having.

And Angel has a soul, too. Is he human? Nope. His body is dead, too. Just walking about with a brain, soul and a demonic parasite within. Spike's new behavior is understandable since Angel went through the same ordeal of insane/sane when he was cursed with a soul. Whistler found Angel dishevled and off balanced.

Many demons have souls and are good. Clem, for instance.

I am very confused to as what they're gonna do with Spike. His new soul isn't countering his chip so he still can't hurt humans without physical pain. But now it's worse; he'll feel bad mentally when he hurts a human.

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As for those girls who were killed in the intros for Lessons and Beneath You... they're most likely potential Slayers that have yet to discover their destiny/calling. (They could be clueless as to what a Slayer even is.) An evil group wants to end the Slayer line (Faith is returning... once she dies, a new Slayer will pop up) so they scry for candidates and kill 'em.

Kendra was taken away from her family at a young age and trained to be a Slayer, but didn't officially become one when Buffy was killed in Season 1. So... it's possible that this group/cult is finding a way to locate the new potential Slayers.

JCR

10-02-2002, 03:49 PM

Kim_EZ

Have you read all the pretty maids all in a row? It is impossible to kill all the slayers in training, someone will always be chosen, I think, although in that book spike got hold of a list of the slayers in waiting so I think that would fairly easy to do.

Kim_EZ

10-02-2002, 04:54 PM

It may be impossible, but... they're gonna die trying. ^_^

AppleHuntr

10-02-2002, 05:10 PM

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the first half of the episode was slow and not-too-great, but when they went to the Bronze to see Anya it really picked up. I loved how they dealt with Spike, him and Buffy in a church with dim lighting (great setting!) and her learning his secret was VERY well done, and extremely weird, but I loved it. And Dawns threat to Spike, DAMN! the bitch was cold. (jk) An okay ep, coulda been better but the great ending made it worthwhile. MORE WILLOW PLEASE!

Barnumyay

10-02-2002, 05:15 PM

I also think the girls dying at the beginnings of the episodes were potential slayers. If "Slayer Potential" is with the girls from birth then they could say its something genetic or in their blood. and since they are killing off all the potentials and Dawn was made from the blood of Buffy, they could just be setting up for Dawn to take over...

Now, what I don't understand is why everyone is so against Dawn taking over. Sure, I love SMG as the slayer and all the old gang but I don't have a problem with Dawn taking over, as long as she's not annoying...especially with SMG being a dumbass and wanting to leave the show....

Kim_EZ

10-02-2002, 05:28 PM

I am hoping Dawn doesn't take over. It's Buffy the Vampire Slayer, not Buffy's Little Sister, Dawn, The Vampire "Slayer".

Firstly, Dawn isn't a Slayer. She shares blood with Buffy. So does Joyce and Hank and Buffy's cousins... are they Slayers? Angel drank Buffy's blood in Graduation pt 2., is he a Slayer? Nope.

Dawn can maybe fight. Big deal. So can Cordelia and Xander and Willow, etc etc. I think Dawn will realize that she does have power, but a different type of power. Something more. We'll just have to see.

Barnumyay

10-02-2002, 05:54 PM

but Dawn was MADE from the blood of Buffy...she shares more of the stuff than anyone...that's why Buffy could jump into the void-thing opened by Glory and close it instead of Dawn (who's blood with her being The Key opened it)....they share the same blood.

So are you trying to tell me they, barring the whole pressing time thing, could have just dug up Joyce's body and thrown it in and since she was the mother she could have closed it? That just anyone even remotely related to Buffy/Dawn could have closed it as well? That Angel or if the Master (he had a drink too) was still around he could have closed it?

I'm sorry but no, they share the same blood.

Kim_EZ

10-02-2002, 06:00 PM

Of course they share blood. They're sisters, and the monks designed Dawn from Buffy. But, to say Dawn has Slayer abilities because of that doesn't compute.

And as for your Joyce theory... you don't know. If Dawn was made from Buffy, she of course was technically made from Dawn. Buffy was made from Joyce.

The Buffy writers are taking too much liberty (read: screwing it up) with Slayer lore IMO.

It's not Dawn's destiny to be a Slayer anyway.

Horror whore

10-02-2002, 06:32 PM

Didn't that girl at the beginning who was killed look like Alias?! Maybe thats the producer's way of saying Buffy could kick Alias' ass!

Kim_EZ

10-02-2002, 07:27 PM

So many people have thought that, too. ^^; But it wasn't her. Never saw Alias.

Mike

10-02-2002, 07:53 PM

I've watched ALIAS and it wasn't her, but with that pink/red wig she looked pretty damn close to her.

thompsoncory

10-02-2002, 08:08 PM

I love this show so much! I saw "Beneath You" last night and I loved it, but I didn't like the beginning and the worm subplot was kind of dumb. Also, I wanted to see more of Buffy's new job!

Americana

10-02-2002, 08:10 PM

AHA FUCK I MISSED ANOTHER EPISODE NOW!!!!

I so hate my local station!!!!

I can't bare to look at this topic now but damn it has so many cool spoilers that I can read since I can't watch the show....

Mike

10-02-2002, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by thompsoncory
Also, I wanted to see more of Buffy's new job!

Same here. They made a big deal about it on the ads saying "Next week it's Buffy The Guidance Counselor" and they barely did anything with it. I was kind of looking forward to seeing how things would go on her first day. Hopefully next week they will have more with it.

xirtam

10-07-2002, 08:14 PM

Is it just me, or did last week's preview for the next episode seem unusually...well...comedic? The whole "EWW! EWW! EWW!" thing was kind of weird...

Kim_EZ

10-08-2002, 11:29 PM

These episodes were... interesting. Tonight's was nice because we're getting to see more Anya development. I really hate the fact how Buffy and co. use Spike and Anya only when they want help. Like... pets. Ugh. That irks me.

That demon in tonight's episode was creepy.

edonline

10-08-2002, 11:48 PM

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The scenes where the demon was eating Willow's flesh was the first and only time that I actually said "eeeeewww" while watching an episode of Buffy/

Kim_EZ

10-09-2002, 01:45 AM

It was eating her skin, not flesh. The Gnarl demon eats skin and drinks the blood.

edonline

10-09-2002, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by Kim_EZ
It was eating her skin, not flesh. The Gnarl demon eats skin and drinks the blood.

As Anya pointed out "It's not The Gnarl, it's just Gnarl." ;)

Either way, it was still high on the ick factor.

Mike

10-09-2002, 10:43 AM

I agree edonline, it was a little gross, but still cool. Tonights episode was pretty good, but the next episode looks better. I was glad to see Willow back home, Alyson Hannigan is a major sweetheart. And did you guys notice that this episode didn't start out like the other two episodes this season? It didn't bother me at all though. By the way, I didn't really like the way Buffy and Xander were acting about Willow coming home, and I also don't like how they keep treating Anya and Spike like crap, they use them and it kind of pisses me off.

Overall, it was a pretty good episode though, but nothing for the books.

xirtam

10-15-2002, 10:15 PM

It's really weird that they just SHOW Anya being killed by Buffy, in the preview. By the way, I didn't spoil anything, it is shown (in a pretty cheezy way, too--"should we leave you hanging??") in the preview for next week's episode. Having watched a several seasons of Buffy, I know that whenever a main character dies, you only find out in the last few seconds of the episode, and then an entire episode is dedicated to the surviving characters mourning his/her death. I smell something fishy, and I think Anya will not really die. Anyone else think so?

movielover-9

10-16-2002, 05:56 PM

Hi all of my Buffy fans

I have a question to ask. In the episode "Bad Eggs", when Xander and Cordelia are making out in the broom closet and they lower down to the floor off camera it is assumed[at least to me] that they are having sex. But in the episode "The Zeppo", when Xander comes from having sex with Faith, he says I can't beleive it. Was I assuming to much for "Bad Eggs" or did they actually have sex. Its been bugging me for a couple of days now.

movielover-9

10-17-2002, 08:55 PM

bump

need replies!

FoxForce5

10-17-2002, 09:02 PM

I LOVE Buffy and as much as it pains me to say it, I hoe this (season 7) is the last. The writing has gone down the toilet. I watch every week praying it will get better and it doesn't. I'm so crestfallen. I have seen every single episode too and I must say, the past few seasons (4 to present) have gotten progessively worse. :(

FoxForce5

10-17-2002, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by movielover-9
Hi all of my Buffy fans

I have a question to ask. In the episode "Bad Eggs", when Xander and Cordelia are making out in the broom closet and they lower down to the floor off camera it is assumed[at least to me] that they are having sex. But in the episode "The Zeppo", when Xander comes from having sex with Faith, he says I can't beleive it. Was I assuming to much for "Bad Eggs" or did they actually have sex. Its been bugging me for a couple of days now.

Xander and Cordy never had sex.

Dark Minister

10-19-2002, 01:49 AM

JCPhoenix

10-22-2002, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by FoxForce5
I LOVE Buffy and as much as it pains me to say it, I hoe this (season 7) is the last. The writing has gone down the toilet. I watch every week praying it will get better and it doesn't. I'm so crestfallen. I have seen every single episode too and I must say, the past few seasons (4 to present) have gotten progessively worse. :(

I disagree. I loved the first three seasons (who doesn't?!) but the 4th sucked so badly I stopped watching for a bit (besides the episode Hush, that was freaky!)...
I liked Season 5, and I think Dawn isn't a bad addition to the show, despite what many people seem to think...and I thought Season 5 wasn't bad. Season 6 was almost as bad as 4, but there were some highlights, namely the musical episode, and the last couple.

And if you think this season has been bad so far, I don't know wut u've been smoking lol...I love this season so far, it has more of the original humor of the show, BUT it doesn't load it all on like it used to. Now it makes like a perfect balance between humor and serious stuff.

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OH, AND TONIGHT'S ANYA-CENTRIC EPISODE WAS AWESOME...EASILY MY FAVORITE THIS YEAR SO FAR...we get to see input into anya's past, and an additional number to the musical! i liked how they flashbacked between present and past, showing olaf, and the bunnies ahahah...not to mention the neat monster, and a pretty cool buffy-anya fight...i was a bit tense throughout the episode cuz i was like, don't kill off anya, but i was pretty much expecting her not to be killed...and i was right...usually, they leave stuff like that to the near end of year part of the season. i actually now want xander and anya to get back together, just so we can have the whole scooby gang (minus tara) back together again...

ColinM

10-22-2002, 09:53 PM

Yeah, tonight's episode was one of the better ones. Definitely the best of this season, anyway.

EDsoulsurvive*

10-24-2002, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by JCPhoenix

And if you think this season has been bad so far, I don't know wut u've been smoking lol...I love this season so far, it has more of the original humor of the show, BUT it doesn't load it all on like it used to. Now it makes like a perfect balance between humor and serious stuff.

very minor 7.5 spoilers.
wow, i definitely agree that this season is awesome. so far, there has not been a single below average episode, most of them bein highly above [average]. i love anya, and i agree that this episode was the best of the season. her musical number was awesome, i loved how the scene cut to her in the future. the buffy anya fight was fantastically awesome, and i seriously think this season COULD be the best.

"From beneath you it devours."

movielover-9

10-24-2002, 09:37 PM

My reply to the argument over the recent seasons

Here's my opinion of Seasons 1-6

Season 1: A great introduction to Buffy and The Gang. We get a nice little love triangle[Buffy, Willow, Xander], the intro of Buff's and Angel's relationship, and some okay special effects.

Season 2: A better season than its predeccesor, this season is the best. The highlight would be the Buffy-Angel love-hate relationship going on. We also get some great episodes, and the intro of another cool brooder, Willow's BF Oz.

Season 3: The best thing about this season is obviously the intro of Faith, a new rebelllious and sexy Slayer. Her eventual descent into evil is a believable one, and her equally descending rivalry with Buffy was a great one. Also more great eps in this season.

Season 4: This season was definitely lacking a bit. With the loss of Cordy, Angel, Oz and Faith, we are introduced into the pretty boring Riley[who just seemed to be eye candy for the ladies] and the "okay" Tara. The only good thing is the episode "Hush" and Faith's 2-episode return.

Season 5: This season could have been saved if not for the ultra-annoying Dawn, Buffy's little sister. Glory was a pretty good villain[although she got kind of generic] and a few great episodes was s5's saving grace.

Season 6: A downer of a season, Season 6 was like Season 4. Joss was trying out new kind of material, material that really did not fit. The depressing episodes were a surprising turn from Buffy's quirky, yet dramatic material, and the uncofmortable pumped up sexual content was also a minus.

That's my opinion on the seasons.

JCPhoenix

11-03-2002, 10:17 PM

B U M P !

The upcoming episode sounds like it'll be a light and joke filled episode (it's called Him) and it's about a guy that all the girls seem to fall in love with...
And the teaser for it definitely seems to put more emphasis on the light hearted jokes side...

Oh, and does anyone know what episode Aimee Mann will be in? I heard that she'd be in an episode but i'm not sure which (Aimee Mann is the singer most notable for supplying pretty much all the songs to the amazing Magnolia)...

Come on Buffy fans, get your asses out here, and start talkin!

Kim_EZ

11-04-2002, 07:22 PM

www.leoffonline.com has the episode summary up already. Very funny.

edonline

11-05-2002, 11:11 PM

It was good to see that tonight's epsiode, HIM, featured much of the humor from the earlier seasons. There were a number of times when I actually chuckled out loud.

Kim_EZ

11-06-2002, 03:38 PM

Anya and Willow's chemistry is too good. I loved the dialogue between them.

And Spike tackling Buffy when she was going to kill the principal with a bazooka? LOL...

Not a great episode (more like a remake of season 2's Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered), but had its moments.

EDsoulsurvive*

11-06-2002, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Kim_EZ
Anya and Willow's chemistry is too good. I loved the dialogue between them.

And Spike tackling Buffy when she was going to kill the principal with a bazooka? LOL...

i know, there scene w/ the guy (cant remember his name) when he was leavin the house was soooo funny.

this ep reinstated why Buffy is the best show on TV. It is dramatic, dark, twisted, and downright hilarious when it wants to be. This ep had me on the ground (well, almost) in hysterics, i was next to tears!

my fav line went sumthin like:
"But ur gay! why dont u make him a girl or sumthin....DAMNIT!"

AppleHuntr

11-09-2002, 10:57 PM

"Him" was a very funny episode (the rocket launcher bit and the willow/anya thing was too funny) but it was light. The best Buffy eps are the ones that dig deeper with more emotion and really get things going (apparently, the Anya ep. did just that, but I missed it, I have never missed an ep. but i had to work and taping it got all messed up!). It was a passable episode but I hope for a little more effort in the upcoming ep. "Conversations with Dead People" I know Joyve comes back, I heard Tara might be back too but I also heard she wouldnt be back at all this season but we'll see. Hope it rocks.

edonline

11-12-2002, 09:14 PM

SLIGHT SPOILER BELOW

Conversations With Dead People was a very cool episode but I have one question. Was the big bad speaking through some of the dead (Joyce, Tara) or just somehow manipulating them. It seemed as if it was using their personaes to lie to those closest to them but for what purpose? Any ideas?

JCPhoenix

11-12-2002, 10:16 PM

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edonline: I dunno, but I'm thinking that you're right and the Big Bad is lying through the dead...it's possible that Joyce was really there (I mean, Dawn was fighting some messed up demony thing to actually get thru to her so...) and really was warning Dawn, but not likely, since I doubt she'd try to screw things up between Dawn and Buffy...

Oh, and does anybody else think that the part played by Azura Skye (Carrie) was the part Joss was talking about when he said he might resurrect Amber Benson, but she wouldn't really be playing Tara?....it's possible, because here, she wouldn't really have been playing Tara, she'd have been playing the Big Bad....of course talks fell through, so they used Azura Skye instead??...just a thought, but anyway, I think Skye was great in both episodes she's been in, so doesn't matter either way.

i sorta felt sorry for jonathan dying there, but wut's up with that...was warren also the big bad undercover?...before, i had thought that the big bad might be the devil, but now i don't think so anymore since if i recall correctly, one episode this season mentioned the devil as a possibility then pretty much laughed it off...

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But great episode overall...I really enjoyed it a lot...this season, I can't recall one episode so far that I disliked, and there ahve already been several very very good episodes...shaping up to be an amazing season.

Kim_EZ

11-14-2002, 03:27 PM

SPOILERS For Conversations With Dead People...

Yeah, it was Joyce. She was the only non-evil ghost/dead person in the episode. Willow had Tara-thru-Cassie; Buffy had the vamp classmate; and the blonde chick at the Bronze had Spike (I assume it was the real Spike since the First Evil mansifestations can't touch people?)

My theory is that Joyce wanted to warn Dawn of the trouble ahead, but a demon/evil spirit was conjured to test/thwart Dawn (from seeing Joyce).

I missed the episode until like the last 15 minutes. I was asleep! (Trying to get this guy to send me the episode a la AIM) But I had read the wildfeed summary a day before the episode aired.

Mike

11-14-2002, 03:39 PM

I've enjoyed the whole season so far, especially the last few episodes. The one that focused mainly on Anya was really good, I loved seeing back into her past and it was a real treat to hear her sing again. I also enjoyed "Him" which I found to be a pretty funny episode. And last nights episode was really good as well. So far I haven't disliked an episode this season, if it keeps this up it could be one very good season.

xirtam

11-14-2002, 07:18 PM

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Maybe Joyce was warning Dawn about Buffy because that demon thing is going to betray Dawn in the form of Buffy. Could that be?

Kim_EZ

11-15-2002, 12:51 AM

Hmm good theory. But I would think Joyce would wanna be a little more clear with any warnings she gives to Dawn. I mean, she could've said "Don't let your eyes fool you" or something along those lines.

Spoilerslayer.com says that 3 Slayers in Training will be coming to Sunnydale. Interesting.

edonline

11-20-2002, 01:14 PM

You can just me Mr. Pissed-Off...

my local UPN station didn't broadcast Buffy on Tuesday night, instead they're choosing to air a "special" broadcast on the upcoming Sunday night. Why they chose to air and epsiode of Martin is totally beyond me.

The Locnar

11-20-2002, 05:05 PM

Holy crap, they did the same thing here in the Dallas area. They preempted for a fuckin' Mavericks game. Well, it was the Mavs vs the Lakers and the Mavs kicked Laker ass but that's not a good enough reason goddammit!!

Hmm, Sunday night you say. Maybe they'll do the same thing for us. I'll have to check. If it shows the same time as Alias then I'm gonna have to pop a cap in somebody's ass. Luckily I have PVR so I can record one and watch the other. PVR is Dish Networks equivalent of TiVO.

AppleHuntr

11-20-2002, 05:18 PM

"Him" was good, "Conversations With Dead People" was GREAT, but "Sleeper" kinda sucked. I agree with Entertainment Weekly.com's review, they called it dull and went over things we already know. The jokes were for the most part lame (when Anya was hitting on Spike I rolled my eyes) and the drama was bland particularly they put to much emphasis on feeling bad for Spike when it is quite hard to do so (but maybe thats just me but Spike+Drama=Not a Fun Time) I just didnt care. But the ending*****SPOILER***** was a great cliffhanger, with the you-know-what- flying at you-know-whos head. ****END OF CENSORED SPOILER:)**** but the reat was forgettable, and I wish the talented Aimee Mann could've been in a better episode.
Disappointing. (and besides, do the writers realize that the ep took place LAST WEEK, since "Conversations..." said "November 12, 2002" in the beginning? no biggie i just noticed)

I never commented on "Conversations......", this episode packed a real wallop. Who here thinks Cassie could make a good villian because she scared me when she was threatening Willow. Buffy's segment was funny but went over some topics already well-covered and Dawns took a bit to pick up (that goddamned anchovie song!) but when it did it was great and actually creepy. Great ep., and next weeks looks promising. (I hope)

xirtam

11-20-2002, 06:21 PM

This episode wasn't really about anything, it just moved the overall story. I didn't think it was TOO bad though, just not VERY interesting. It really seems like this might be the very last season.

JCPhoenix

11-20-2002, 09:21 PM

SPOILERS FOR SLEEPERS

I agree with xirtam...it wasn't too bad, but it wasn't great either...and that cliffhanger...man, that's one of the bigger cliffhangers they've had in a while (besides spike's getting his soul back cliffhanger)...too bad we all know that another spinoff show with Giles is still being thought up as very possible though, so we all know he won't die of course....

END SPOILERS

And people, just wondering if anyone else is thinking that the Big Bad on both Angel and Buffy might possibly be the same? or that there might be some connection between the two? there have been many hints, but it could be possible that they're just red herrings and the two are totally unrelated.

however, here's the thing. like joss himself said, buffy has always really dealt with things on a sunnydale/hellmouth level, and not really anything global, but he (or anthony stewart head, not sure who) did say that this will be dealing with global stuff...so if this big bad is bigger than the rest, and the rest of the world seems to be affected by it, wouldn't it stand to reason that L.A. would be affected as well, since they are set in the same universe...wouldn't they know of this "pending" doom....

Not to mention that the shows have had similar lines about their big bads (buffy with its from beneath you it devours, while angel had something along the same lines as well)...

And the final piece of evidence for this theory...Faith is coming back...to BOTH SHOWS...Joss Whedon said that. If i remember correctly, he said that she will be on Buffy first, then Angel....

Doesn't that seem a bit odd, if the two storylines are totally unrelated? She shows up in sunnydale, oh, hey, I'm here to help u get rid of your big bad, and then i'm heading off to los angeles to help angel get rid of his other totally unrelated big bad...

just seems a lil suspicious.

Oh, and that Wanda person from E! ONLINE who does all these spoiler things said something like DINGDINGDING when some person asked her whether the two were related. Not that I trust Wanda that much of course, but this season, so far she's been reliable.

Thoughts anybody?

And peeps, come on and post about angel too...i love both shows, but this board never seems to get any angel posts!!!!

Horror whore

11-26-2002, 09:31 PM

Okay, after tonights episode I was left with two major questions.

1) What is the first evil? I wasn't a Buffy fan during the 3rd and 4th seasons, did I miss something during the time I missed?

2) Was that building that blew up (oh God what a horrible effect!) where the watchers were at?

Dark Minister

11-27-2002, 02:21 AM

The first evil is pretty much the devil, but they call him "The First"

I am assuming that the building that blew up was in fact the building where the Watchers' Council were at. COuld be wrong though.

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Was that vampire at the end of tonight's episode The Master from season 1? Kind of favored him even though he is dead and his bones were destroyed. He looked a lot like Nosferatu as well though, he was mighty cool looking!

Is Giles dead or what? Same question about Spike, as he looked like he was about to be croaked at the end of the episode tonight.

BTW, I think that this season is the best that it has been since the great season 3. Agree/Disagree?

Oh, and as an afterthought, anyone else think that the stuff with Spike is creepy as fuck? I mean the song the first evil sings that sets him off and just the whole angle with SPike this season? He is actually pretty fucking evil and stuff when he is under the control of the First Evil!

xirtam

11-27-2002, 07:35 PM

"Do you know what I've done to girls Dawn's age?"

AppleHuntr

11-27-2002, 10:01 PM

Spike is being WAY overused!! FOCUS ON THE MAIN THREE (buffy, xander and willow) because they said this season would go back to the beginning and they were the only ones there! And am I the only one who hates Buffy and Spikes relationship? Whenever they speak to each other, they say the same damn things (You like the pain, etc......) MOVE ON! Tuesdays ep. wasnt bad but nothing to get excited over. Andrew rocked and single-handedly saved the ep.! He was hysterical! I liked him and Willow's confrontation and Anya's interrogation (its rhyme-time!). When Spike said "Kill me" it wasnt shocking at all and, again, this has happened too many times before and I just wanted Buffy to f*cking do it. He is slowing the show down and why should we care about his hauntings the most when theyre the least interesting, Willows visit from Cassie was frightening and Dawn's visit from good ol' mom at least moved things forward.
And this whole "first evil" thing doesnt seem to promising, I was hoping for a surprise in that department (wouldnt it have kicked ass and been a major shocker if, say, Faith(or other baddie) popped up) and got some generic demon.

This show needs to get rolling, sure its only been a 2 ep. slump but thats 2 too many when we know the great things this show is capable of.

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11-28-2002, 12:36 AM

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Well I have been a Buffy Fan from day one and I think this last episode was fairly weak.

One good cliffhanger with the whole is Giles alive or dead but other than that it was fairly crappy, bad acting, poor situations and no real tension.

And yes to me it was the watchers building that blew up and yes it was a very poor effect and poorly shown.

And the First Evil, blah, blah, blah I was hoping for some punch there but we only get the first Vamp ever and he looks like Nosfaratu or however you spell it, not very original.

Andrew did provide some comic relief but it was a non episode, no pop.

It is not tied in with Angel as we how now seen both big bads and they are not the same.

And I am getting a bit tired of the same hellmouth under the school plot over and over again.

Giles may die he may not, Mr. Head does have another series on BBC America so he does not need Buffy. And I doubt any spinoff with just Giles will happen.

Head said he wanted a show arc that dealt with one evil per season but the network wanted a Buffy format, one evil per episode so he was not that interested, we shall see.

I still like Buffy and they can pull out some tricks now and then but they better start producing or people will be regretting this season.

Out..............................

Toneybeen

12-01-2002, 11:16 AM

re Tony's "other show on BBC America"... are you talking about Manchild? Because that would really be his show on BBC2, which is shown on BBC America. Plus he'll no doubt come back over the pond and reprise his role in Spooks if he finds jobbing too much of a hardship when Buffy ends. It's pretty much jobs for the boys as far as British actors are concerned.

edonline

12-01-2002, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Toneybeen
re Tony's "other show on BBC America"... are you talking about Manchild? Because that would really be his show on BBC2, which is shown on BBC America. Plus he'll no doubt come back over the pond and reprise his role in Spooks if he finds jobbing too much of a hardship when Buffy ends. It's pretty much jobs for the boys as far as British actors are concerned.

Anthony Head was supposed to star in a Buffy spinoff called Ripper featuring Giles and a small group who investigate paranormal events. I believe it was supposed to be filmed and aired in the UK, with eventual distribution in the US. However, ASH was quoted as saying that since Joss Whedon is already working on Firefly, the Giles project has been put off for now.

Toneybeen

12-02-2002, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by edonline
Anthony Head was supposed to star in a Buffy spinoff called Ripper featuring Giles and a small group who investigate paranormal events.

Yeah I know, but that show is also a BBC production and would therefore be a BBC show, which would be sold to BBC America. THey're not one and the same. I expect it'd be piloted on BBC1 on a Sunday night, and then aired Saturdays late night on BBC2.

JCLC11

12-02-2002, 11:48 AM

I LOVED the last episode. James Marsters is an incredible actor. He has such talent. One moment you want Buffy to stake him and the next he has you tearing up. *ahem* I mean . . . No, I would never tear up at "Buffy . . ." *ahem* It seems as if everyone involved w/ the show is considering this to be it's last season. And, even though I will miss it, IMO this would be an excellent season to end on. (But I also thought "The Gift" would have been a beautiful closing.) Everything seems to be coming full circle. The High School, The Hellmouth, The Master. We're going backwards. To the beginning. Where it all started. Agree/ Disagree?

One more question:

What is your favorite Buffy ep.?

I have two (I know I'm cheating but I asked the damn question!)

"Fool For Love" - Both SMG and Marsters were incredible.

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"The Gift" - I actually cried - real tears! - during the final moments.

Kim_EZ

12-06-2002, 03:26 AM

SPOILERS

Hmm, I am satisfied and dissatisfied with this season.

Good Points:

- Back to the basics: plot, less drama
- Big Bad; the show does better with a Big Bad IMO
- No Buffy/Spike 'ship; they have chemistry but them bonking ruined S6, even though that season ruined itself when it first aired pretty much
- Dawn's become a better character
- Interesting (but somewhat predictable) storyline
- Anya! They gave her storyline and a good episode!
- Most episodes have been good so far
- Principal Wood... is he a Watcher or what?
- Andrew... oh just too cute
- Faith is coming back. 'Nuff said.

Bad Points:

- The show still focuses too much on Buffy and Spike; less on everyone else
- Too much Spike! He's grown tiresome
- Willow has some pretty crappy lines/plots this season
- Bad special effects (that UberVamp in the final scene of Never Leave Me was awful... It's not the Master)
- Stale dialogue
- Not enough Giles
- Xander isn't funny anymore!
- Jonathan (sniffle... that was SAD for some reason even though I was never a huge fan of him, but I don't think he truly wanted to hurt Buffy and I was just saddened by his demise... )
- Not enough Joss Whedon (he's betrayed Buffy and gone over to Firefly... pfft)
- Fashion faux paus out of the @$$! Shallow but... the past seasons have had much better wardrobe choices.

Personally, this season SHOULD be the last. The chemistry and creativity is over. :/ S5 woulda been a good season to end the series with but NOOOOO.... knowing Buffy would come back is what ruined S6's premiere for me. The show's over when the main actress wants to leave. Let it go...

Looking forward to the rest of this season.

freakandgeek

12-06-2002, 07:21 AM

buffy is my most favorite show on the planet. i don't think i have missed more then a couple episodes since it started. its great. and i really hope they don't continue the show after sarah leaves. if she leaves that is. she's my favorite on the show, and it just wouldn't be the same without her. you know? i mean, what are they going to do, make it dawn, the vampire slayers sister....naw....dawn bugs me anyways. but i love the show!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/p7fedfa7e76d923facc4e67c07c1e5691/fcf7ede9.jpg

freakandgeek

12-06-2002, 07:24 AM

oh, and another thing, i wish they would get rid of ANYA...she bugs the hell outta me. i loved it when buffy was going to kill her and xander got all mad and buffy was like "remember when i had to kill angel when he was bad. you were cheering me on!" i was like....YEAH SO THERE

i don't like anya....! :mad:

Common Sense Man

12-06-2002, 08:29 AM

Well you know they are setting it up for a spinoff with everything basically going back to season 1 status.

The school, the hellmouth, dawn the new young tough chick. Notice how much more fighting she is doing now.

But once SMG leaves it will be over for better or worse.

But I agree the chemistry has been off, the group just does not seem to click anymore.

We shall see.

Out.............................

edonline

12-06-2002, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Kim_EZ
SPOILERS

- Principal Wood... is he a Watcher or what?

I don't know if he's a Watcher or not, but he seemed to know where to find Jonathan's body and had no problems with dumping the body

- Jonathan (sniffle... that was SAD for some reason even though I was never a huge fan of him, but I don't think he truly wanted to hurt Buffy and I was just saddened by his demise... )

Jonathan's death was somewhat sad. I think it had more to do with the little spech that he made beforehand, how he wished he could go back to high school and see everyone he knew even those who didn't liked him. And then what happened? He gets knifed by his supposed best friend.

JCR

12-06-2002, 12:50 PM

One of the uk tabloids reported today that SMG has been offered $750,000 an ep to do season 8. They said she is currently on $125 thousand an ep so thats quite a raise. If it's true they clearly want her to stay, they said the offer was for her to be a semi regular in the series, like tony head is, so she could do movies to.

Toneybeen

ASH said in an interview with SFX mag a while back that ripper's timeslot would be 9.30 on BBC2 on a weeknight if it happened, but I doubt it ever will to be honest.

RIP Glenn Quinn.

urbanlegend23

12-08-2002, 10:59 PM

Season six has just finished here, and I've been reading reviews of the episodes and I've noticed heaps of people hate one of my favourite episodes of last season, Wrecked. What are some of you guy's opinions of it? Here's my review..

Wrecked

Episode Number: 610
Written by: Marti Noxon
Directed by: David Solomon

Regulars

Sarah Michelle Gellar as Buffy
Nicholas Brendon as Xander
Emma Caulfield as Anya
Michelle Trachtenberg as Dawn
James Marsters as Spike
Alyson Hannigan as Willow

Guest Stars

Amber Benson as Tara
Elizabeth Anne Allen as Amy
Jeff Kober as Rack

In a nutshell

Willow meets a warlock named Rack whose black magicks intrigue her a little too much and she endangers Dawn's life.

My review

I was pretty sad when I found out most fans didn't like this episode. I am really into seeing Willow embracing the dark magicks (I love the episode "Tough Love", the first time she used black arts) so this episode was a treat. I thought that Rack was a really neat idea and unlike many others, the addiction story was quite neat and handled very well both by the writer Marti Noxon and Alyson Hannigan, wghose acting in this episode was absolutely excellent. I started crying in the scene after Willow makes the car crash and she breaks down in tears. That was very sad and Willow in tears gets me in tears. The visuals in this episode were really cool, especially when Willow is on the roof on a magick high and Rack makes her see stars and stuff. And then she sees her black-eyed self standing in front of the Magic Box and in the streets before screaming and falling down - that’s a hint for the end of the season. I also loved all the Buffy/Spike talk at the beginning and Willow walking over to that burnt pancake - that was really sad. I also enjoyed the long Willow/Buffy talk - excellently written! The one main thing that stopped this episode from getting full marks was the demon in this episode, it silly and the way it leaps about is laughable. Also Buffy's long pigtails are not a great hairstyle for her. Overall, a terrific and very sad episode that I love to watch!

"Wrecked" 9/10

I also have another question, what does Willow do to Osirus in "Villains"? Did she suck him of his power? I thought she may have but common, he's a God and wouldn't her hair have gone black if she did that? Someone please explain?

Kim_EZ

12-09-2002, 05:51 AM

SPOILERS FOR SEASON 6

I don't like Season 6. It was just a bad season. The dialogue was weak and the storylines were just... UGH. Plus the characters felt out of touch (with themselves and each other). But the worst part of S6 was Buffy and Spike... Y'know what I mean. -.-

Why oh why did they have to shag? It ruined the greatness of their dysfunctional relationship - Spike loved her from afar and Buffy accepted that. But then this season just ruined something nice. Buffy hated herself and her life so she took it out on Spike and used him to make herself feel good/better. Plain as that. But... I don't know. It felt out character for Buffy and I really felt bad for Spike, who was just a love sick puppy in need of attention.

(Personally, I think Buffy was bitter that Spike could love her without a soul, while her true love, Angel, couldn't (in Season 2, he was stripped of his soul and hated Buffy). But that's my personal opinion.)

Anyway...

The storyline of S6 was just weak. Willow's addicted to magic; Buffy is bonking Spike; Dawn is being (more) whiny; Anya and Xander's 'ship had gone to hell. Oh gosh, the drama. I thought S6 was going to be about growing up. Everyone was acting immature though. ~.~

The finale to S6 coulda been good. But, no. Warren shot Tara. Talk about one of the coldest scenes in all of BtVS history. In a flash, Tara (who I grew to like) was deleted from the series. And Willow's rage went really overboard and got boring. I mean, yes, she destroyed the magic shop and beat up Buffy. Yay. And oh gosh, she was about to cause the next apocalypse by invoking a contrived satanic church. *Rolls eyes* Xander's scene where he talked Willow down was all right; but too rushed and easy. Yellow crayon?? As for Buffy's final speech to Dawn about showing her the world and stuff... Cheesy! That was some bad dialogue there. Whoof.

Has Joss Whedon just given up on the show that made him a recognized figure in present TV culture? Even Angel this season is kinda weak.

The characters used to be so close, but now it's so obvious how distant they've become. And it started in S6.

Okay, done with S6. I don't like that season. Even if it did have a few good episodes (Once More, With Feeling & Normal Again), it was overall crappy compared to the previous seasons of the show. Even S4 - as a whole - was better.

The show works better with a central plot and Big Bad, IMO.

Just read spoilers for upcoming episodes. Heh, this will be fun!

freakandgeek

12-09-2002, 09:13 AM

i LOVE buffy. its been my most favorite show since it started. since the very first season. i love it. but this season, well, i am getting really irritated with the spike and buffy story line. i mean, its just doing the same thing over and over and over and over....erg...its like "make a decision already"....and man, i wish they would freakin get rid of ANYA...she is the most annoying character right now (beginning series spoiler) atleast they got rid of darla in the beginning...i thought she was sooo annoying too (end spoilers)

i hope, if they do end the show, that its good. i really hope they don't continue the show without smg...she's my favorite character (buffy is) and i love her and it just won't be the same without her!

The Locnar

12-09-2002, 01:06 PM

AICN has posted major spoilers for Buffy. Don't go read them unless you want to have several plot points ruined for you.

urbanlegend23

12-09-2002, 11:27 PM

I liked season 6! Here's my episode run-through (from episode 6)...

All the Way: 7/10, not very memorable but cool story

Once More, With Feeling: 10/10, classic Buffy

Tabula Rasa: 9/10, cool, funny and terribly sad all at the same time

Smashed: 5/10, some funny stuff, but mostly very BORING

Wrecked: 9/10, great Willow and the black arts story, loved it!

Gone: 8/10, a little boring in places but Invisible Buffy was a hoot

DoubleMeat Palace: 4/10, yuck

Dead Things: 9/10, excellent drama episode...gets better with repeated viewings

Older and Far Away: 3/10, a whinosauras of an episode. Dawn, Anya..shut up!

As You Were: 9/10, definitely gets better with repeated viewings! I love the part where Buffy calls Sunnydale the "TroubleMeat Palace"

Hell's Bells: 5/10, die Xander die

Normal Again: 9/10, one of the most original episodes ever

Entropy: 8/10, sad, dramatic and funny episode - well done

Seeing Red: 10/10, another one to mix outrageous comedy with terrible sadness. I love the last shot - my favourite ever single Buffy shot.

Villains: 10/10, evil Willow kicks ass

Two to Go: 9/10, some bad writing in places but mostly brilliant stuff

Grave: 9/10, gets better with repeated viewings. Didn't like the Buffy-Dawn speech, loved the Xander-Willow interaction.

SEASON AVERAGE: 7.8/10

Does everyone hate this season? It's very different, but what's wrong with change?

EDsoulsurvive*

12-10-2002, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by urbanlegend23
I liked season 6! Here's my episode run-through (from episode 6)...

Once More, With Feeling: 10/10, classic Buffy

Tabula Rasa: 9/10, cool, funny and terribly sad all at the same time

Gone: 8/10, a little boring in places but Invisible Buffy was a hoot

Older and Far Away: 3/10, a whinosauras of an episode. Dawn, Anya..shut up!

As You Were: 9/10, definitely gets better with repeated viewings! I love the part where Buffy calls Sunnydale the "TroubleMeat Palace"

Seeing Red: 10/10, another one to mix outrageous comedy with terrible sadness. I love the last shot - my favourite ever single Buffy shot.

SEASON AVERAGE: 7.8/10

Does everyone hate this season? It's very different, but what's wrong with change?

ok, i'm w/ u on likin season six. I just want to add comments to sum of ur ratings and stuff. 1st of all, good calls on OMWF Tabula Rusa, and Seein Red. However, As You Were and gone completely sucked (IMO), they are two of the worst buffy episodes ever. Gone was just stupid and compleetly out of character of Buffy. As You Were was the ep. no1 asked for - the return of Riley. This episode was not handled well at all and the only thing that worked in this episode was Alyson Hannigan's performance, she was freakin hilarious!

Originally posted by freakandgeek
i don't like anya....! :mad:

anya's my fav character!!!! if they killed her i would be soooo pissed!

Horror whore

12-10-2002, 09:29 PM

Did anyone see the preview for next week's episode? I think it looks....average. But it did answer the question: "Is Giles dead?" because he was the first person we saw in the preview... Oh well, at least it's a new episode!

Horror whore

12-17-2002, 09:13 PM

Holy shite! That episode kicked ass! The ubervamp was creepy as hell, I actually jumped twice. I think Giles is dead. Did you see him toch a single thing in this episode? Were his hands in his pockets most of the time he was in the house? I think it's The First disguised as Giles. I can't wait for the next episode!!!!

JCPhoenix

12-17-2002, 09:27 PM

Holy crap...it freaks the hell outta me if it is...

Definitely one of the better episodes of the season...moved it right along, the overlying storyline actually developed quite a bit, and we get signals at end that things will move more quickly...

Great episode!...oh, and the uber-vamp doesn't look as crappy now that we see more of him...i think he looks pretty freakish...

edonline

12-17-2002, 09:29 PM

SPOILERS BELOW!!

Tonight was a great episode of Buffy. It was interesting to Joyce make another appearance, it makes me wonder exactly what is going on. I don't think she was a manifestation of The First, since it was busy with Spike.

The show is also making Principal Woodside to be very mysterious. I wonder what his quote (paraphrased, can't recall the exact words) "I like mysteries. I like to see how everything works out" was supposed to mean. I still have the feeling that he is the agent of a higher force.

I think the show is also going to have the viewers guessing as to whether or not there will be a Slayer still alive after the impending apocalypse. Three in training plus Buffy, now minus one.

The idea of Giles as a ghost is interesting but I don't know if Joss is so willing to write him off like that.

Horror whore

12-17-2002, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by edonline
I think the show is also going to have the viewers guessing as to whether or not there will be a Slayer still alive after the impending apocalypse. Three in training plus Buffy, now minus one.

Don't forget everyone's favorite bitch, Faith! Speaking of Faith, when will she come back on? Should be soon, shouldn't it? Buffy did mention her in tonight's episode... I know she'll be in the series finale but I wonder when she'll come back before that...

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12-17-2002, 10:54 PM

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There are many more slayers-in-training than that--"There are a handful of slayers from all over the world, and they're all coming to Sunnydale." I think that's what Buffy meant by "We've got an army."

I thought the speech at the end was awesome, it may be a little corny but it had me saying "YEAH!! Go Buffy!" which I've never done before. This really does seem like the final season.

By the way, not to say anything bad or anything, but I noticed at least 11 references to other movies/TV shows, including Star Wars, Signs, and Wonder Woman. Did Buffy suddenly decide to go all "Scream" on us?

JCPhoenix

12-18-2002, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Horror whore
Don't forget everyone's favorite bitch, Faith! Speaking of Faith, when will she come back on? Should be soon, shouldn't it? Buffy did mention her in tonight's episode... I know she'll be in the series finale but I wonder when she'll come back before that...

She'll be on Angel first actually, starting with episode 4.13 for three episodes, then she'll move into buffydom for FIVE episodes, starting with 7.18, and ending with of course the series/season finale...

Kim_EZ

12-20-2002, 01:24 AM

SPOILERS

I personally do not think that the First Evil is not the Devil per se. (Heh, the demon in Once More, With Feeling is so the Devil.) But it's what created evil, the Hellmouth, demons, etc. It was evil before evil was evil, if that makes sense. The Bringers are the worshippers of the First Evil.

Faith will be back after her time on Angel (she'll be there to help stop Angelus). And then she'll come back to Buffy. She is the real Slayer at the moment and her death will initiate a new Slayer, Kennedy I believe. (She's supposedly bitter that Buffy didn't kill Faith before. If Buffy did, Kennedy would've become the Slayer a long time ago.)

More SITs are on their way it seems. Heh, seems like Pokemon to me. Gotta catch 'em all. The next one is from Shanghai I believe, Chao-Ahn. (OT - very stereotypical name.) More? I wonder how many they can rally into that house.

I have to say that I am not looking forward to Willow and Kennedy becoming a couple. I really hate how on this show or any show in general that when any gay character appears becomes the interest of the other gay character on the show. Sigh. Plus I don't even see the chemistry between Will and Kennedy.

Giles isn't dead. They told Anthony Stewart Head not to touch anyone or anything (he did sit down...) on the set. Just to toy with the fans probably.

More spoilers can be found at:
www.spoilerslayer.com
www.spoiledrotten.tvheaven.com/buffy.html

As for Principal Woods having no problem with burying Jonathan's body... Giles had no problem killing Ben in The Gift, now did he? Watches must do what they must do. But I am very interested in Woods' mission/origin.

AppleHuntr

12-21-2002, 01:51 AM

I LOVE when Buffy gets on a roll, and "Bring On The Night" seemed to set one up, where the action and drama comes nonstop, the last few eps just treaded water, but now were getting somewhere! Im not crazy about the actresses they chose for the SIT, theyre too young and it would make Willow seem like a cradle robber to date one. It was creepy as hell to see Buffy get her ass kicked with all of that blood. Her speech was fresh and powerful and a great set up for upcoming eps. Great Ep.!!

"These ropes itch." fucking lol!!!!!!!!!!!:):):):)

Horror whore

01-04-2003, 03:27 PM

Does anyone know when the next new episode of Buffy will air? I'm very impatient.

Horror whore

01-04-2003, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Horror whore
Does anyone know when the next new episode of Buffy will air? I'm very impatient.

Nevermind, I just read that a new episode "Showtime" will air this Tuesday, January 7th. And then two weeks later, on January 21st, another new episode "Potential" will air. I can't wait!

Kim_EZ

01-05-2003, 04:03 AM

The secret of Principal Wood has been revealed. These are specs, but I got them from SpoilerSlayer and his spoilers are pretty much true 95% of the time. So yeah...

S P O I L E R S

Principal Wood is the son of the second Slayer that Spike killed in NY during the '70s. Her name was Nikki. And the First Evil has Wood under its control, and might be under the form of Nikki to coerce Wood. It then tells Wood who killed his mother.

I was thinking that they were going to do something with this and I guess they did. Guess Wood's not a Watcher afterall... Puu!

JCLC11

01-05-2003, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by Kim_EZ
The secret of Principal Wood has been revealed. These are specs, but I got them from SpoilerSlayer and his spoilers are pretty much true 95% of the time. So yeah...

S P O I L E R S

Principal Wood is the son of the second Slayer that Spike killed in NY during the '70s. Her name was Nikki. And the First Evil has Wood under its control, and might be under the form of Nikki to coerce Wood. It then tells Wood who killed his mother.

I was thinking that they were going to do something with this and I guess they did. Guess Wood's not a Watcher afterall... Puu!

I hope this is true. That would be great!!!

Spidey

01-06-2003, 03:15 PM

When Buffy kills a vampire , why does his clothes also turn to dust ? Are those 'evil' clothes he's wearing :p ?

edonline

01-07-2003, 09:19 PM

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Tonight's fight with the Ubervamp was very cool. When Buffy finally nailed him, I was actually loufly saying "Wow! Jeez!". I haven't been that excited over a fight on Buffy for a long time. It makes me wonder if the First will send any other creatures along the way. One question though... who was it that freed Spike at the end, Buffy or the First? I assume it was Buffy but you can never tell.

Horror whore

01-07-2003, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by edonline
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Tonight's fight with the Ubervamp was very cool. When Buffy finally nailed him, I was actually loufly saying "Wow! Jeez!". I haven't been that excited over a fight on Buffy for a long time. It makes me wonder if the First will send any other creatures along the way. One question though... who was it that freed Spike at the end, Buffy or the First? I assume it was Buffy but you can never tell.

It was really Buffy, I think. When The First transfromed into her at the start of the show there were no cuts or bruises visible, but the real Buffy still had some cuts. And at the end Buffy has a bandage on her cheek over the cut she got from the Ubervamp in their last battle. And yes, I'm positive The First still has some other creatures up it's sleve, otherwise what would they fill the 11 episodes left with? And I can wait for Buffy 7.13 (this was 7.11), in 7.13 we'll find out just exactly what the hell really happened to Giles....

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01-07-2003, 09:36 PM

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In response to the "who was it" question, edonline, I assume it WAS Buffy, because if the First can't physically fight, I would think it wouldn't be able to even touch anything, which means it can't undo the chains.

The episode was actually pretty good, although there was too much dialogue in the first few scenes. I had a feeling the Ubervamp would die in this episode. But I did think the oracle was pretty silly-looking, I actually laughed when they first saw it.

And a little mistake in a small piece of dialogue: a slayer says that she "saw a photograph of a vampire...well, a blurry one." I was under the impression that vampires cannot be photographed, even if it is blurry.

But other than that, not bad, nice fight scene at the end.

edonline

01-07-2003, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by xirtam
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And a little mistake in a small piece of dialogue: a slayer says that she "saw a photograph of a vampire...well, a blurry one." I was under the impression that vampires cannot be photographed, even if it is blurry.

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I got the impression that that particular line of dialogue was meant to suggest that the slayer-in-training's Watcher was not a particularly good one.

xirtam

01-07-2003, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by edonline
I got the impression that that particular line of dialogue was meant to suggest that the slayer-in-training's Watcher was not a particularly good one.

That could be it, my mistake. Sorry...

Kim_EZ

01-08-2003, 04:03 AM

Pretty good episode tonight. Too many new Slayers-In-Training! o.o; Eve got on my nerves... then again, she's gone.

Buffy freed Spike at the end. The First cannot touch anything. It has no physical form. But rumors say that it will soon have one.

Also, not sure if vamps can't be photographed because there are pictures of Drusilla in the Watcher's diaries from season 2. Also, Spike's henchman video taped Buffy fighting another vampire in Halloween from Season 2. So... who knows.

Anyway, to anyone who's interested in obtaining episodes of this season, click here (http://www.geocities.com/mahou_fancy_lala/buffy_vcds.htm ).

JCLC11

01-08-2003, 06:33 PM

Awesome episode last night! I loved the "talking" b/w Buffy, Willow, and Xander while they were in the kitchen planning. Kind of wonder how they could do that, though . . . Anyways . . . One last thing: Did anyone else hear the last line? Buffy (To S-I-Ts) : "Here endeth the lesson." Sent a chill down my spine b/c these same words were uttered by Spike in one of my favorite episodes, "Fool For Love." This line obviously symbolizes *something* considering . . .

*MAJOR SPOILERS*

Spike "ended his lesson" w/ Buffy after speaking of the Slayer he murdered on a subway in the 70's. We will soon learn that Principal Wood, as mentioned before by Kim_EZ, is in fact the son of this Slayer. (It's been confirmed on various websites.)

*MAJOR SPOILERS END*

Did anyone else notice this? (One of the reasons I recognized the line was b/c I had recently watched the episode in syndication and the way Spike says it . . . *shiver* . . . incredible.

xirtam

01-08-2003, 09:19 PM

Another comment I would like to mention--why would they cast, on BUFFY, a mostly-serious action/drama/horror series, an actress who's credits consist of the TV show Lizzie Maguire from the Disney channel?

Kim_EZ

01-09-2003, 01:54 AM

Many unknowns and obscure actors have/are (been) on BtVS. Iyari Limon aka Kennedy was last seen on MTV's Undressed.

Many WB people have breezed through eps of Buffy. Harrison from Popular was the student ghost in season 2's I Only Have Eyes For You. Jason Behr of Roswell played Buffy's old friend in season 2's Lie To Me. Two actors from Sweet Valley High - who coincidentally played the same character on SVH - were on Buffy (Invisible Girl & Go Fish). Speaking of Go Fish, the guy from A Walk To Remember and Once and Again was in that as one of the swim jocks. The counselor that Snyder sent Buffy to in the beginning of season 3 is on The Parkers on UPN. Bianca Lawson aka Kendra was a regular on Saved By The Bell: The New Class and then did some Dawson Creek episodes. So... yeah. Lots of unknowns from various and different shows.

Hee-hee, too much knowledge in my little cabeza.

JCLC11

01-09-2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Kim_EZ
Speaking of Go Fish, the guy from A Walk To Remember and Once and Again was in that as one of the swim jocks.

You mean Shane West . . . *ahem* *Points to avatar* *ahem* :D

Americana

01-12-2003, 12:42 AM

http://www.tvtome.com/BuffytheVampireSlayer/ (www.tvtome.com/BuffytheVampireSlayer)

Okay people, the site above is the ultimate Buffy Spoiler Website with nothing but cool ass spoiler guides for the next six episodes of Buffy and if you want, Angel has about seven episode guides on this as well. Have fun people who cannot wait till the episode airs!!!

Horror whore

01-12-2003, 12:57 PM

Don't tempt me Americana!!!!!

Toneybeen

01-24-2003, 05:37 AM

Okay, one question - and please don't go a-spoilin' beyond episode 1:

Is season seven better than six? Five? Four? Where does it rank in the whole rank-kingdom of season-dom?

EDsoulsurvive*

01-24-2003, 11:25 AM

Its better than Season 1
Its better than Season 4
Its better than Season 6
It MIGHT be better than Season 5
It is not better than the fantastic Season 2 (so far)
It is not better than the phenomenal Season 3 (so far)

it ranks as either the 3rd or 4th best, as of now i cant decide, but it is amazing, thats just how much i love Seasons 5, 2, and 3. The season is not over yet, and im pretty sure its rank will only rise. :) u got lots to look forward too

Horror whore

01-24-2003, 11:23 PM

Here's my ranking:

Season 2
Season 3
Season 5
Season 1
Season 6

I haven't seen the full 4th season...

The 7th season is (IMO) better than the third but net yet as good as the 2nd...

JCLC11

01-26-2003, 11:41 AM

IMO:

Season 5
Season 2
Season 3
Season 4
Season 6
Season 1

Season 7 might bump Season 2 from the number 2 spot . . .

BTW . . . WTF?!?! Ashanti will be appearing on the show?!?!

Toneybeen

01-26-2003, 12:33 PM

NO WAY! (re: the Ashanti thing) She's not is she? Where did you hear that? What's she gonna be/do? Argh, do not like the sound of that at all!

BTW, IMO Ashanti is no way as amazingly talented and revolutionary and original as most of America seems to be making out.

JCLC11

01-26-2003, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by Toneybeen
NO WAY! (re: the Ashanti thing) She's not is she? Where did you hear that? What's she gonna be/do? Argh, do not like the sound of that at all!

BTW, IMO Ashanti is no way as amazingly talented and revolutionary and original as most of America seems to be making out.

She was featured in a promotion for an upcoming episode to air on February 11, 2003.

http://us.imdb.com/Name?Ashanti+(I)

Horror whore

01-26-2003, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Toneybeen
NO WAY! (re: the Ashanti thing) She's not is she? Where did you hear that? What's she gonna be/do? Argh, do not like the sound of that at all!

BTW, IMO Ashanti is no way as amazingly talented and revolutionary and original as most of America seems to be making out.

Maybe she'll be a potential slayer? Nah, she's too old for that, isn't she?

JCLC11

01-26-2003, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Horror whore
Maybe she'll be a potential slayer? Nah, she's too old for that, isn't she?

Nope. She will be: (According to Ain't It Cool News)

***SPOILERS***

A love interest for Xander.

*** END SPOILERS***

Below is the link: (Highlight white area. Warning: Major, MAJOR, spoilers contained in the following link.

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=14283

Hopefully, she can act.

AppleHuntr

01-28-2003, 12:09 AM

I feel really bad about this, but I'm losing interest this season!!!!
I have been a fan since the beginning and always will be, but this season has been off. It jut isnt pulling me in like it used to, Season 6 occasionally had this problem, but overall it worked out and was a successful season. So far, no truly memorable eps (well, maybe Conversations), no big suprises, no big laughs, no big drama. Its all restrained and the actors are starting to seem like they dont care all that much to be here. The potential slayers thing seemed cool at first but im already tired of that, its not rolling at a nice fast pace. The show, to me, is in a rut, and only good writing can save it. Joss Whedon come back!!!!

Maybe Im exaggerating, i havent hated it this season, its been merely okay, better than everything else on TV, but not as gripping as usual. Just think of season 5 at this point, Glory was here, Dawn was the key, and the moms death. This all came together nicely to a powerful cilmax and was exciting all the way. There was weekly revelations, big surprises and all. It was premo TV. I just dont get all excited for tuesdays anymore.

I WILL continue watching, I would never turn my back on Buffy, I just hope the quality improves. Just venting.

urbanlegend23

01-31-2003, 03:40 AM

My ranking of the seasons:

SEASON 5
SEASON 3
SEASON 6
SEASON 2
SEASON 4
SEASON 1

And SEASON 7 hasn't started here yet.

freakandgeek

01-31-2003, 08:43 AM

i got this from the buffy website for next weeks episode....all i gotta say is WHATDAHELL?

*spoiler*

Tuesday, February 4, 8PM ET/PT
"THE KILLER IN ME"

After sharing a lingering kiss with would-be Slayer Kennedy, Willow bafflingly transforms into Warren! Meanwhile, The Scoobie Gang is shattered when they discover clues that lead them to believe that Giles may be The First.

*end spoiler*

:eek: :eek: :eek:

edonline

01-31-2003, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by freakandgeek
i got this from the buffy website for next weeks episode....all i gotta say is WHATDAHELL?

*spoiler*

Tuesday, February 4, 8PM ET/PT
"THE KILLER IN ME"

After sharing a lingering kiss with would-be Slayer Kennedy, Willow bafflingly transforms into Warren! Meanwhile, The Scoobie Gang is shattered when they discover clues that lead them to believe that Giles may be The First.

*end spoiler*

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Very cool! I cant' wait to see this. If it's true, it could be that the First has learned to imitate the living as well as the dead. Perhaps, it it will also lead up to Buffy not standig by Dawn's side, just as Joyce said she wouldn't.

JCLC11

02-01-2003, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by freakandgeek
i got this from the buffy website for next weeks episode....all i gotta say is WHATDAHELL?

*spoiler*

Tuesday, February 4, 8PM ET/PT
"THE KILLER IN ME"

After sharing a lingering kiss with would-be Slayer Kennedy, Willow bafflingly transforms into Warren! Meanwhile, The Scoobie Gang is shattered when they discover clues that lead them to believe that Giles may be The First.

*end spoiler*

:eek: :eek: :eek:

OMG . . . If *MAJOR SPOILERS* Giles is *gulp* dead *END MAJOR SPOILERS* I would be devestated!!!

freakandgeek

02-05-2003, 04:03 AM

*minor spoiler*

i always have to watch buffy, no matter what, but lately the shows have sucked, not exciting or good or whatever. but this past episode with warren and amy was REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY!! good!:cool: :cool:

*end spoiler* obviously

edonline

02-05-2003, 03:56 PM

It was nice to see a romantic episode ("What are you doing?" "I'm bringing you back...") which also had some funny moments and some ass-kicking moments.

Some of favorite lines, including the above (don't think there's much spoilerage here but be warned anyway):

"If you don't take me with you, I'll break things... or I'll glue things together."

"You're telling me that you thought I was evil because I took several teenage girls into the desert and didn't touch them?"

"You realize that I'm gonna have to kick your ass now?"

freakandgeek

02-06-2003, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by edonline
"You're telling me that you thought I was evil because I took several teenage girls into the desert and didn't touch them?"

I LOVE GILES :cool:

Dogma

02-06-2003, 10:46 AM

Just something about the whole photo thing. They don't have reflections but they CAN be photographed as proven in episode 2 of Angel, Season 4. Angel is looking at a photo of him and Cordy.

Kim_EZ

02-07-2003, 11:37 PM

I did not really care for this week's episode. I don't like Kennedy. She's so pushy. Tara hasn't been dead even for a year and she can't respect that? Just pressuring poor Willow into this little fling? Sheesh, Buffy stake that little Slayer wannabe. She's annoying.

And I found the ending to be a little anticlimatic with just the kissing. Sigh...

freakandgeek

02-12-2003, 03:37 AM

*spoilers*

this is the little blib for next week

Tuesday, February 18, 8PM ET/PT
"Get It Done"

The Summers home, densely packed with Slayer wannabes, suffers a surprising, grievous loss which ratchets up the gang’s attempt to rout the growing forces of evil.

what do you think is gonna happen? if spike dies, i will be very upset!!!!

*end spoilers*

urbanlegend23

02-12-2003, 04:39 AM

AHHHH!! BUFFY STARTS HERE IN 28 DAYS, WHICH IS 4 WEEKS!!!!!!

LESSONS LOOKS GREAT! THEY JUST HAD A PREVIEW FOR IT!!!!

Kim_EZ

02-12-2003, 01:34 PM

Well, these are SPOILERS so beware. They're for "Get It Done".

Highlight to see who gets killed.

The one who dies in the next ep is a potential, Chloe. She kills herself in the bathroom I believe.

Dogma

02-12-2003, 01:44 PM

The first 'highlight' didn't work.

Kim_EZ

02-12-2003, 01:50 PM

What first highlight?

The spoiler is in the third line.

Dogma

02-12-2003, 01:53 PM

Sorry, misunderstood. Thought there were two people who died.;)

freakandgeek

02-13-2003, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by Kim_EZ
Well, these are SPOILERS so beware. They're for "Get It Done".

Highlight to see who gets killed.

The one who dies in the next ep is a potential, Chloe. She kills herself in the bathroom I believe.

SPOILERS SPOILERS
which one is that? the girl dawn saved in the school?
END SPOILERS

Kim_EZ

02-13-2003, 12:31 PM

She's the one with short brown hair and was missing in the last few episodes. She plays Lizzy Maguire's friend on the Disney sitcom Lizzy Maguire.

Go here to look at pix from Get It Done.

http://www.forums4fans.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000953&p=7#000164

She's in the fith pic with the blue jacket and short brown hair and unhappy facial expression.

The Locnar

02-14-2003, 01:14 PM

I just read on imdb (I know, I know) that Eliza Dushku is defenitely taking over SMG's place on BtVS. I know there have been rumors bouncing around that this could happen but I didn't think it would since Les Moonves groaned about the show costing way too much money.

If it's actually true I have mixed feelings. I really really like E. Dushku so I wouldn't mind seeing more of her but I have a feeling the show would go downhill in terms of quality. Unless Joss Whedon devotes his full attention to it...I've noticed the show suffers when he doesn't pay attention to what's going on, ie Firefly.

I would just rather see BtVS go out in style and with a bang then to see it drag on and be cancelled cuz it sucked.

Kim_EZ

02-14-2003, 02:48 PM

Yes, there are major talks of Eliza Dushku doing a Faith spin-off but I don't see the need. I do love Faith and ED but she needs to move on from that role and try to get more diverse characters. I don't wanna see her get typecast more than she already is.

Yes, let Buffy end this season with a little dignity.

urbanlegend23

02-14-2003, 05:56 PM

25 days till Lessons premieres in NZ...

Sorry, I know there's no other NZ Buffy fans on these forums, but I just have to share my excitement with others...:)

urbanlegend23

02-15-2003, 06:27 PM

24 days...

Anybody know where I can find S7 promo pics? I heard they just re-used the S6 ones, but just in case...anybody know??

Kim_EZ

02-16-2003, 02:37 AM

There aren't any Season 7 promo pictures.

Toneybeen

02-16-2003, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by urbanlegend23
25 days till Lessons premieres in NZ...

Sorry, I know there's no other NZ Buffy fans on these forums, but I just have to share my excitement with others...:)

Your excitement is noted and is touching.

adamjohnson

02-16-2003, 06:52 PM

ok. back in the old high school days in the land of buffy Xander had a brown leather messenger bag. anybody catch the name or brand of that bag. ??

adamjohnson

02-16-2003, 07:21 PM

screw it nevermind i found one

urbanlegend23

02-16-2003, 11:13 PM

Hey guys! 23 days now! I just got the Buffy Season 1 DVD set and it's pretty good! Here's my opinion of the episodes I've seen:

Welcome to the Hellmouth - 10/10 - A great beginning to a great show! Classic episode that gets to know some of the coolest characters ever put on television.

The Harvest - 8/10 - Not as good as WTTH but still really entertaining. The effects were pretty good and overall it was a good intense ep.

Witch - 8/10 - Lots of fun! I loved watching the cheerleaders be tormented by the witch! It was a good old fashioned ep. I feel like watching it right now...

Teacher's Pet - 1/10 - Oh dear lord! I didn't know Buffy could be this bad! This was in fact the worst episode I have ever seen. It's so absolutely ridiculous and belongs in Animorphs or Goosebumps, this isn't the Buffy I want!! :mad::mad:

Never Kill A Boy On The First Date - 7/10 - Good mysterious episode. Didn't seem to have much of a story but enjoyed how the episode showed the hardships of being the Slayer.

The Pack - 9/10 - This is definitely one of the most underrated episodes in the Buffyverse. It was a whole lot of fun. Nicholas Brendon and Alyson Hannigan were excellent, and I felt really sorry for Willow when Hyena-Xander said she was a pasty face :(. And Principal Flutie is dead! Yay!

Angel - 9/10 - Very impressive introduction to Angel. David Boreanaz was great and the script was excellent, setting everything up for later on in the show. I loved the way it came together. Julie Benz seemed to be suffering the hardships of having fangs though :(.

I, Robot - You, Jane - 5/10 - This episode was about 8 or 7 out of ten up until that last 10-15 minutes! The whole robot thing was absolutely awful! I liked the sets and the idea but the payoff just did NOT work for me! If I could rewrite one episode it would probably be this one, and have a much better conclusion.

Gonna watch the rest soon...give me some opinions on this season! Thanks :D

urbanlegend23

02-18-2003, 04:16 AM

Arhhh! I just saw the ad for "Lessons" and it will rock the house down! It looks so awesome, and there's still 22 days!!!

I watced the rest of my S1 DVDs today...

The Puppet Show - 6/10 - Loved the idea of a killer dummy for the first 20 or so minutes until they ruined it by too many twists and turns. This one was somewhere between a 7 and a 6 for me.

Nightmares - 9/10 - Awesome set design and great character development. I have a few complaints but nothing I can put my finger on. This had the right balance of comedy, drama and scares - one of the best episodes of the season.

Out of Mind, Out of Sight - 7/10 - Really disappointing because I used to LOVE this episode but now it is just OK. The invisible girl story was good but the idea never really reached its full potential. Good acting and great idea though.

Prophecy Girl - 10/10 - Considerably better than I first thought it was. This one works excellently if you watch the entire season right up to this episode. However it is still a great stand-alone episode. It was really intense and really funny, and the Master freaked me out with this episode.

Overall the season's average was 7.4/10. I'll watch it all again sometime in the near future to see if any of my scores change.

Funny how I've got the two seasons on DVD where Buffy dies (1 and 5). Next up I plan to get Season 2 Part 2 because I really want to see Passion, I Only Have Eyes for You, Bewitched Bothered and Wildered and Killed by Death. Those are the apparently classic episodes and those 4 of the 8 I have yet to see from season 2. Unlike you guys in the US of A we have our seasons split up into two parts (except season 1) with 11 episodes on each DVD set...

Also funny how nobody is going to read this but oh well if you do tell me your opinions of the current season and season 1 of course...