Anyone like Death/Black/Doom metal?

[BakeTheMooCow]

I enjoy these three genres more than any others. Its not just screaming and cursing like my parents believe. There's beautiful, haunting guitar-work, dark and emotional lyrics and some of the most powerful and crushing drumming you'll ever hear. Also, in many songs, there are melodic classical influences. Its undoubtedly the most extreme form of metal and one of the only genres to remain unscathed by commercialism. Some of the best bands include :

Opeth
Emperor
Arch Enemy
Carcass
Nile
Behemoth
Anathema
Soilwork
In Flames
My Dying Bride
Dissection

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[CeMeTaRy_GaTeS]

Black metal is alright, but I'm more into stuff like PanterA, Slayer and old MetallicA

[Big Pudge]

i enjoy them, but im like CEMETARY GATES up there (which is as u pry know 1 of the best fuckin songs ever made)

but i also love the new METALLICA as much as the old METALLICA, i think their music is still strong and kicks so much ass. ESP when we have bands out there now that are famouse and they dont even write any of their own tunes. METALLICA is still out there keeping it real! alot of ppl say METALLICA died when CLIFF did... but i think METALLICA is still alive and kickin!!

[countchocula]

In the past year, I've gotten into some death/black metal. Opeth is holy. Their precise musicianship astounds me. I can't wait for their forthcoming double album. In Flames is a hit/miss band. The only two albums that really grab me are The Jester Race and Colony. Everything else feels mediocre, especially when Anders aims for clean vocals. At first, I felt that his growling didn't mesh with the melodic guitars, but then I realized that his singing voice was pitiful. Clayman marked the beginning of a downward spiral.

Being the depraved fuck that I am, I'm amused by Cannibal Corpse. Zombies, cannibalism, over-the-top carnage, what's not to love? Plus, I dig the complexity of their material. On the surface, they come off as unsophisticated, but the music is beyond complex.

[James Logan]

I'm not a huge fan, but I have some friends that LOVE it. As they're working on the movie I'm shooting, I'll include something of that type in the soundtrack, but I gotta admit it's not really my bag.

[Jason Voorhees]

Yeah, I dig it. Opeth, In Flames, Cannibal Corpse, Dimmu Borgir, and plenty of others.

Awesome stuff.

[Another Cliche Schmoe]

I'm not into it that much, but I haven't heard enough of it to judge it.

[MISFITS_Fiend]

I can throw on some Cannibal Corpse once in a while...I have to be in the mood for it though. I also listen to Cradle of Filth sometimes too, but mainly I listen to punk and Slayer.

[Gregorious8]

I'm not really into this so much, but my friend is. He's got some weird band names though like anal cunt & anal blast.

[cereal killer]

I am a hardcore metal Fan who loves all types of metal from stuff like Mettalica to lesser known local bands here in montreal.

[Creeper_Reaper]

Awesome shit man! i love deathcore anything hard and dark is good enough for me

.SoilWork
.Down the Sun
.CoalChamber
.Down
.Rob/ White Zombie
.Suicidal Tendencies
.Nine Inch Nails (old stuff)
.Cradle Of Filth
.Marilyn Manson
.Metallica
.Megadeth
.Static-X
.

[thebloodfeaster]

Nobody mentioned any doom except for Bake mentioning My Dying Bride, so I'll chime in and say Candlemass - Nightfall is one of the best doom metal albums out there.

[NumberMSO52]

Some great death/black metal bands include...

Mayhem
Cannibal Corpse
In Flames
Amon Amarth
Cryptopsy (my personal favorite, their drummer cant be human)
Cephied (their stuff is hard to find, but man it rocks)
Dimmu Borgir
Opeth

and many others

[CeMeTaRy_GaTeS]

Since my last post I have gotten more and more into death/black metal.
Opeth is one of the best bands ever. In Flames is also pretty damn good, along with Soilwork.
I haven't found any Nile mp3's, but have been meaning to find them, and I am going to give Emporer another shot, (I tried listening to them once and didn't catch on).

[thebloodfeaster]

Originally posted by CeMeTaRy_GaTeS
I am going to give Emporer another shot, (I tried listening to them once and didn't catch on).


What Emperor material have you been listening to? They have d(evolved) much over the course of their career. Emperor and Wrath of the Tyrants was fairly raw black metal with keyboards mixed in. Good stuff. In the Nightside Eclipse saw them utilizing keyboards even more, but to good effect and contains some amazing songs. Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk is the first Emperor album I owned (and the first black metal album for that matter). It is still my favorite by them, probably mostly because it was my first introduction. The songs are very dense and chaotic, but if you listen to it closely (best done laying in bed in the dark at night with headphones on) the music can take you on an epic journey. Simply amazing imo. IX Equilibrium pretty much isn't black metal. Starting with this album they are more of a keyboardy technical death metal band. Nevertheless, this is still a great album. Elegy to Icarus is the best song on there imo. Their last (and final) album was Prometheus. Their technical prowess was at its peak on this album, unfortunately there is nothing really to back it up, and the songs all sound very empty and meaningless.

[thebloodfeaster]

Originally posted by NumberMSO52
Some great death/black metal bands include...

Mayhem
Cannibal Corpse
In Flames
Amon Amarth
Cryptopsy (my personal favorite, their drummer cant be human)
Cephied (their stuff is hard to find, but man it rocks)
Dimmu Borgir
Opeth

and many others

I like pretty much all of Mayhem's material, even the often maligned Grand Declaration of War album.

Cannibal Corpse just keeps getting better and better as they age imo.

In Flames never did it for me to begin with, and their last album is the crappiest yet.

Amon Amarth is good at what they do, but I lose interest in them fast; Bleed for Ancient Gods is a good song though. I saw them live and actually left before their set was done, not because they were bad... it's just that I had a long drive and they weren't special enough to warrant me staying the rest of the show.

Cryptopsy is a very good band, None So Vile being my favorite by them. I didn't really enjoy the singer, Mike Desalvo, on their last two albums though, even though the music was still up to par. I hear they have a new singer now though he sounds like a cross between Desalvo and Lord Worm (their original singer). I'm really anticipating some new material so I can hear how he works out.

I haven't heard Cepheid, I'll be on the look out for some to download.

Dimmu Borgir is average at best imo.

And Opeth of course is an extremely talented band. Morningrise is my favorite by them.

[BakeTheMooCow]

Originally posted by thebloodfeaster
Cannibal Corpse just keeps getting better and better as they age imo.

Dimmu Borgir is average at best imo.


I don't like Cannibal Corpse much although I used to a lot. Dimmu Borgir is one of my favorites.

I guess I'm into a more melodic kind of extreme metal. Opeth is the ultimate example of that but Dimmu Borgir is close behind. CC sound too much like other bands for my liking. For example, I could listen to any Opeth song from any album and identify which one it is, but for CC it would be really tough for me, even though I have all their albums.

Still, you've listed some great bands, as have other people who replied.

[SIREN30]

I really don't care much for Death or Black metal. Some Doom metal is ok...Cathedral, My Dying Bride....you know. How about more atmospheric stuff like Amorphis, The Gathering (Aneke's vocals are astounding), and Neurosis. WHatcha think?

[BakeTheMooCow]

Originally posted by SIREN30
Neurosis
Yikes. I've tried so hard to listen to them, but they are too fucking strange, even for my taste. I enjoy weird bands like Mr. Bungle, but Neurosis just cross that line into absolute insanity. One song I like of theirs is Aeon. I keep forwarding the others. I can't help it.

[SIREN30]

I have a hard time just LISTENING to them also. But when you see them live you can't help but be overwhelmed. It's absolutely amazing. You feel transported or something. Eerily wonderful.

[CrimsonGhost]

I'm a major metalhead, but I think most death metal sucks. However the one band from this particular sub-genre of metal that I think is absolutely amazing is SIX FEET UNDER. Great ominous music with demonic vocals and killer lyrics. Just an incredible band! Their best album to date has got to be their first one, HAUNTED. Any death-metal/horror movie fan should love it.

[thebloodfeaster]

Originally posted by CrimsonGhost
I'm a major metalhead, but I think most death metal sucks. However the one band from this particular sub-genre of metal that I think is absolutely amazing is SIX FEET UNDER. Great ominous music with demonic vocals and killer lyrics. Just an incredible band! Their best album to date has got to be their first one, HAUNTED. Any death-metal/horror movie fan should love it.


I like their Warpath album and parts of Maximum Violence, but overall I think Six Feet Under is one of the blandest death metal bands out there.

[BloodiedCelticVengeance]

I veer off into immersing myself into this genre more ... and more.
I am a diehard Goth/Punk fan... always will be most fond of those two styles. But, there are times nothing can match the chaotic, melodic, maniacal lure of Doom/Black metal.

Some great bands have been mentioned here... my favorites being: In Flames, Dimmu Borgir, Opeth, Candlemass, My Dying Bride.



PS- Bake, that avatar of Thora from Jane magazine is a fuckin' keeper. I think she was writing "I love BloodiedCelticVengeance!" with that lipstick... I raise a glass to your taste in music and women. Cheers :cool:

[Corporal_Hicks]

Death and Black metal OWN.

Most of my favorite bands are in, or have some styles of that genre in their sound. Such as:

Opeth
In Flames
Emperor
Nile
Dissection

Most of the stuff from Europe is great.

However those splatter bands are not to my liking. Cannibal Corpse is kind of funny, but Six Feet Under and Mortician are fucking shitty as hell.

[the p&j experiance]

Like 2 years ago, I loved everything in the metal genre, but then I started smoking pot like everyday and now the only metal I can listen to is Slipknot and Marilyn Manson, I'm more into Blind Melon and laid back shit.

[Romero&Juliet]

I heard Opeth a little while ago and they BLEW MY FUCKING MIND!

It sounds like Satan taking over Jethro Tull.. fucking INCREDIBLE music..

[badberry]

Someone care to explain the difference between doom, black and death metal? I was under the impression they all meant the same thing. I'm not really into it though...more a punk person myself. Oh and nu-metal. ;)

(dodging the bricks being thrown)

[Corporal_Hicks]

Originally posted by badberry
Someone care to explain the difference between doom, black and death metal? I was under the impression they all meant the same thing. I'm not really into it though...more a punk person myself. Oh and nu-metal. ;)

(dodging the bricks being thrown)

Well both black metal and death metal are both derived from thrash. Heck, one might even say they are all in the same.
Yet there are differences.

Black metal is pretty much thrash metal with high emphasis on satan and the occult in their lyrics. Plus the recording quality on most black metal albums ins't of high-- but I think that just helps make it sound more chilling. The vocals are also more scratchy and high pitched.

Death metal has more emphasis on technicality in the music and less on lyrics. Blastbeats and speedy riffs are very common. Vocals tend to be mostly growling and are lower in pitch.

I don't know much about doom metal, so I can't make an explanation there.

Hope this helps you out a little.

[thebloodfeaster]

Originally posted by badberry
Someone care to explain the difference between doom, black and death metal? I was under the impression they all meant the same thing. I'm not really into it though...more a punk person myself. Oh and nu-metal. ;)

(dodging the bricks being thrown)

Black Metal is perhaps the most misunderstood genre of metal. The first band to play this style was Venom. Bands that came after them and followed in their footsteps, took the name of Venom's second album Black Metal to describe this newly birthed sub-genre. Bands like Bathory took what Venom was doing and made it even more 'evil' sounding than before. Not being a musical theorist, I have a hard time describing exactly how to play metal so that it is black metal; I can just recognize it when I hear it. "Blast beat" drumming and high screechy vocals may have become a common characteristic in what many consider to be modern black metal, but they are DEFINITELY NOT defining characteristics. That is the first mistake that most people make about it. The only way to really be able to recognize black metal is to listen to many examples of it and get a feel for it. There is a slight punk influence to the music (very slight), but mostly it is based on a more sordid and evil sounding NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal). Abrasive and atonal production is often utilized to create the desired anti-beauty effect. Ironically a dark beauty results from the intentional cacophany. Not very many bands played in this "first wave" of black metal, and part of the reason why the sound is so hard to describe is because it did vary quite a bit. The one single unifying aspect of all black metal is it's overtly anti-christian stance, which more often then not come to fruition with Satanic lyrics and themes (although that is not always the case). For instance, Mercyful Fate (another band technically in the first wave of black metal, although many people do not recognize them as such) sounds very little at all like Venom. They're overtly Satanic themes are what make them both black metal. The reason why Venom's influence is heard in almost all black metal throughout the genre's lifespan, is because later Satanic and anti-christian bands just happened to take more influence from Venom than from Mercyful Fate. Second wave Black Metal bands started in Norway with Mayhem, Tormentor, Darkthrone, etc. These bands took their queue from Venom and Bathory and tried to take that to even new heights of darkness. Some bands in this wave, like Emperor, started adding keyboards. Note that even though many later black metal bands took influence from Emperor and used keyboards, that does not mean that keyboards are a defining characteristic of the genre. Darkthrone had one album in particular that would spawn an entire new branch of black metal, which many detractors would claim is not really black metal at all. Transylvanian Hunger was the ultimate in nihilistic minimalism. This is the album that spawned tons and tons of bands to follow suit with swirling riffs and constant incessant blast beats. The reason that alot of people object to bands copying this album being called Black Metal, is because musically it is actually much closer to Grindcore, an extreme offshoot of punk rock, than it is to metal. After the second wave, the third and current wave of black metal appears, with bands trying new avant garde directions while still trying to remain within the basic framework set by Venom, Bathory, etc.

The main thing to remember to understand if Black Metal, is that it must have anti-christian aims. Also 99% of the time the music is derived from that of Venom. Also bear in mind that "anti-christian" or "satanic" lyrics are not always serious. Venom's were often tongue in cheek and not meant o be taken literally as devil worshipping. However they were still standing against Christianity by mocking it in a jokingly manner. It's all confusing I know, but if you just listen to Venom's Welcome to Hell and Black Metal then you will have the basic ground knowledge of the genre.

Here are some other Black Metal albums to check out:

Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark (took what Venom started to new levels of evil blackness; this album stands the test of time over the countless scores of modern Black Metal bands and was among the most influential of the first wave)

Sarcofago - I.N.R.I. (the Brazilian band actually features the original singer of Sepultura before Max started singing and before Sep ever recorded anything; heavily Venom influenced, this band in turn influenced Mayhem who pretty much got the whole Scandinavian Black Metal scene going)

Mayhem - Live In Leipzig (live album by the most well known of the second wave Black Metal bands; features Dead on vocals before he killed himself and Euronymous on guitar before he was murdered)

Darkthrone - Transylvanian Hunger (on their fourth album, Darkthrone created the most minimalistic metal, Black or otherwise, yet to be made; many bands cloned their sound from this one album but fail to have the spirit of metal that still courses through this classic)

Countess - Return of the Horned One (this Dutch band is one of the few modern bands today still playing old school Black Metal the way it was meant to be played; yet they also manage to have their own very distinct sound)



I'm tired now, I'll post about Death Metal and Doom Metal tomorrow or later tonight.

[thebloodfeaster]

The difference between Death Metal and Black Metal is sometimes very hard to distinguish. I have already posted, to the best of my ability, and explanation of Black Metal, and now I will attempt Death Metal. But as always, the best way to be able to tell the difference is to listen to important albums from both genres and get a feel for them.

Death Metal, in the original usage of the term, more or less meant any metal that dealt specifically with death. Over a short period of time, however, bands were using a specific style of metal to convey this theme. A band of primary influence on death metal was Slayer. Show No Mercy, while comfortably fitting also within the Black Metal genre, set the groundwork which the band would expand on later albums such as Reign In Blood and South of Heaven, which in turn set the groundwork for the genre of Death Metal itself. The bands that most consider to be the first Death Metal pioneers were Possessed (featuring Larry Lalonde on lead guitar, who later went on to play with Primus) and Death. The music was basically a faster and more brutal approach to Thrash Metal, with lyrical topics exploring the realms of death even more vividly than any bands had dared before. Many bands took what these two were doing into different directions. There was the Florida scene, among whom early purveyors were Cannibal Corpse (despite originally being from New York), Deicide, etc. Death Metal, in addition to just being faster and more brutal than Thrash, had also developed its own distinct riffing and soloing style, that while similar to Thrash, is sufficiently different to warrant its own genre. Some Death Metal bands can be extremely technical, like Incantation, Atheist (almost a progressive death metal type music), and later Gorguts albums. Others, revel in simplicity. Once it's own distinc musical theory had developed, it is no longer necessary to look at speed to tell Death Metal from Thrash. In fact, many bands actually play pretty slowly. Immolation is a great example of an intricate, moderately paced Death Metal band. Other scenes developed in other parts of the world as well. The Swedish scene developed its own sound with bands like Dismember, Entombed, At the Gates, etc. The Swedish sound typically had slightly higher growls and more chainsaw sounding guitars. There was also a bit more melody involved. In Sweden however, this eventually evolved into the modern "melodic death" genre which really has little to do with Death Metal at all. The only real similarity in many current "melodic death" bands to real Death Metal being somewhat growling vocals. Examples of these "melodic" groups are In Flames and Soilwork.

Some great examples of good old school Death Metal are Possessed - Seven Churches, Death - Leprosy, Nunslaughter - Radio Damnation, Entombed - Clandestine, Dismember - Death Metal, and Deicide - Deicide.

Newer sounding bands like Incantation, Gorguts, and Immolation are also great ones to check out.

[badberry]

Wow, you certainly know your stuff...I'm impressed, and a little frightened ;)

Thanks for the info, it is an interesting read even though I'm not that big a fan of the music.

[Dehydrator]

What exactly defines a death/black metal band is up to one's interpretation I guess. Take Venom - they were the band that basically defined black metal, with their album entitled "Black Metal". Checking out the music it sounds goofy as hell (no pun intended), you really have to be into metal to connect the dods between Venom and today's BM bands, like Emperor.

Take Cradle of Filth - they are universally despised by most Black Metal purists and yet the public (who isn't into black metal that much and therefore is not familiar of just what makes something black metal) will see them as a black metal band because they use make up and satan. My flat mate and I, both long-haired and into metal are often confused about each other's genre-placing, although for most people our tastes are one and the same. I said it before and I said it again, you'll have to be into this stuff to even articulate yourself halfway credible in discussion and even then your definitions of Black/Death metal will hardly be the same as your fellow headbanger's. There's just so much stuff to talk about. But then, genre-placing is for people with too much time on their hands anyway, just because I like deathmetal doesn't mean I like all deathmetal and just because I have long (black coloured) hair and wear Iron Maiden shirts doesn't mean I hate Placebo.

And finally, here are some bands I really dig :D :

Iron Maiden, Death, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Therapy?, Nofx, At the Gates, The Exploited, Prodigy, Ignite, Marilyn Manson, Deftones, Ramones, Danko Jones, Cathedral, Entombed, Placebo, Cypress Hill, The Doors, Korn (early stuff only though, I hate most nu-metal), Napalm Death, Rage against the Machine, Megadeth, Bad Religion, Life of Agony, Black Sabbath, Bathory, Tiamat, Frankenstein Drag Queens from Planet 13 ( the band that became the Murderdolls - man, I dig their older name way better!), Sepultura, Crowbar, Goblin, Agnostic Front, Rykers, Count Raven, Pantera, Slayer, early Metallica (my theory on their new album tends to "suck"), Carcass, Kreator, At the Gates, New Model Army, The Gathering (kick ass band, I wonder why they don't get mentioned on the board!)... the list is endless!

I've come to the opinion that juding music by genre is crap. Either it's good or it isn't. Most of what pollutes the airwaves isn't good. Most of what's on MTV isn't good as well - whoever wants to sell clothes with his music is not that credible as a musician, I think and therefore doesn't stop at my door.

[TATU]

In response to an earlier posters thoughts on Rob Zombie as death/black/doom metal. No. How could you even go as far as to say that Rob Zombies death metal. A lot of his stuff sounds like some kind of heavy metal disco style with a lot of beats and rythms. Also you can actually understand him, compare him to Cradle Of Filth and see whose lyrics you can understand better.
Rob Zombie doesn't just scream and curse, he can actually articulate.

Marilyn Manson is a gothic rock god whose never came anywhere close to doing anything hardcore.

Murderdolls are far more glam-metal than death/doom/black metal.

MetallicA far from death/doom/black metal. They're a lot closer to hard-rock than Cradle Of Filth.

[SykkBoy]

I love it all...the more extreme and aggressive, the better
my favorites:
Venom
Bathory
Napalm Death
Cannibal Corpse
Emporer
Lawnmower Deth
Deicide
Acid Bath
Obituary
Rigor Mortis
Opeth
Mayhem
Slayer (not really death/black metal, but my favorite band)

[Corporal_Hicks]

Follow bloodfeaster's analogy. It is better than mine.

[HannibalGuy]

Hell yeah! I love all of those genres! Here are my favorites:

Cannibal Corpse
Six Feet Under
Severe Torture
AC
The Berzerker
Suffocation
Messuggah
Opeth
Bathory
Mayhem
Cradle of Filth
Napalm Death
Cattle Decapatation
Venom
Type O Negative
GWAR(are they considerd death metal?)
Sadastik Exekution
Marduk
The Haunted
Hate Eternal
Lamb of God
In Flames
Soilwork
Behemoth
Kataklysim
Amon Amerth
King Diamond
Obituary
Carcas
Grave
Vader
Shadows Fall
Emperor
Entomed
and many many more that I cannot think of at this moment!