In The Closet..

[DynamiteDan]

What really annoys me is when you buy a magazine and see (insert name of top hollywood actor) with a fellow similary big named female star in a romantic pose....especially when it is well known that Mr X is a promiscious gay!

Its well known that certain actors pay Women to be their 'beard' and then threaten to sue anyone who suggests otherwise.....

So don't expect me to reveal who Mr X is!
(Though there have been several over the years anyway!)

[MISFITS_Fiend]

I have one question...

Why do you care???

We've already had one gay-bashing post closed here, and I see that coming up quickly for this one as well.

[flashplanet]

I wouldn't say it's gay bashing. Are you saying gay people aren't allowed to play straight parts or something?

[Big Pudge]

the only person i can think of that sued over a magazines claim that he was GAY was TOM CRUISE... but i just dont think he is gay to be honest.. he was banging nicole kidman and is now banging penelope cruz!!! call me crazy but that just shouts out "straight" to me!!

[Ronaldinho]

There are far more top actors who are rumored to be gay than actually are. Don't believe everything you hear.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by DynamiteDan
What really annoys me is when you buy a magazine and see (insert name of top hollywood actor) with a fellow similary big named female star in a romantic pose....especially when it is well known that Mr X is a promiscious gay!

Its well known that certain actors pay Women to be their 'beard' and then threaten to sue anyone who suggests otherwise.....

So don't expect me to reveal who Mr X is!
(Though there have been several over the years anyway!)



Are you talking about gay pride or something? I agree it's not right to hide who you are, and I applaud you for coming out like this.

I don't think Tom Cruise is gay, but I know many gay guys who fancy the notion that he is.

[FeverDog420]

Originally posted by Big Pudge
the only person i can think of that sued over a magazines claim that he was GAY was TOM CRUISE... but i just dont think he is gay to be honest.. he was banging nicole kidman and is now banging penelope cruz!!! call me crazy but that just shouts out "straight" to me!!

You're crazy! :p

Was the real nature of Tom and Nicole's union so hard to figure out? Tom needed a beard. Nicole needed a coattail to ride to the top. When Nicole became an A-lister (thanks to Moulin Rouge and The Others), she no longer needed Tom's assistance, so they amicably split. Now it's Penelope's turn to reap the rewards of a business arrangement impersonating a Hollywood marriage.

[Jason Voorhees]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't Moulin Rouge and The Others hits after their separation?

[Ronaldinho]

Originally posted by Jason Voorhees
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't Moulin Rouge and The Others hits after their separation?

Of course they were.

It just is a less convincing arguement for Tom's homosexuality that way.

Don't believe every rumor you hear.

[electriclite]

I would enjoy these conspiracy theories so much more if they had coincided with the peak of my X-Files obsession.

After that, I view all the "too good to be true's" with a wary eye.

[FeverDog420]

Originally posted by Jason Voorhees
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't Moulin Rouge and The Others hits after their separation?

Both movies finished filming in 2000 and were released before Tom and Nic's August 2001 divorce.

[Buck Turgidson]

How many of these unions there are, and who is in them, is (for me, at least), secondary to the fact that they do exist. In movies and in other walks of life where people can't afford to be publicly identified as gay.

In the end, it's really a Goddamned shame our tiresome, foolish bigotry as a society forces people to jump through these types of dehumanizing hoops and won't let them be themselves.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by FeverDog420
Both movies finished filming in 2000 and were released before Tom and Nic's August 2001 divorce.

Yes, but how does one know in advance that they're going to be hits? Does Hollywood have a reliable Miss Cleo secluded somewhere that we don't know about?

And as I recall Moulin Rouge wasn't a real hit in theaters, and only started to pick up some steam after it's theatre run was over, it made up for it's lack of Box Office draw in video .

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
In the end, it's really a Goddamned shame our tiresome, foolish bigotry as a society forces people to jump through these types of dehumanizing hoops and won't let them be themselves.

Sing it sister!!;) Truer words were never spoken.

[FeverDog420]

Originally posted by electriclite
Yes, but how does one know in advance that they're going to be hits? Does Hollywood have a reliable Miss Cleo secluded somewhere that we don't know about?

And as I recall Moulin Rouge wasn't a real hit in theaters, and only started to pick up some steam after it's theatre run was over, it made up for it's lack of Box Office draw in video .

Well, when one is headlining two high-profile Hollywood movies with strong advance buzz in the same calendar year, one could believe one has made it. Kidman was all over the media before Moulin Rouge's premiere, leading me to believe that she knew where her 2001 was heading.

The box office success of Moulin Rouge and The Others is beside the point, since a blockbuster movie isn't integral to a Hollywood actress' stature in the biz. (Was the box office receipts for Boys Don't Cry what made Hillary Swank a star? What was the last big commercial hit for Susan Sarandon, or Halle Berry?)

It's safe to assume that critical success is more important than commercial for most actresses, including Kidman. Surely being married to Tom Cruise for a decade has given her enough money to not worry about the box office prospects for The Others 2.

And, c'mon, do you still think marriage confirms one's heterosexuality? (Why no children, I wonder.) By this rationale one can also believe that bachelorhood confirms one's homosexuality. There's a movie coming out soon (Todd Haynes' Far From Heaven) that illustrates this misnomer.

Won't you admit to even the possibility that this scenario I've pondered is plausible? I'm not saying it's true (what proof do I have?), but I've made a case for it. Isn't is somewhat curious that Tom and Nicole have remained friends after their divorce? (They even reunited to fight a trademark infringement case together a few months ago.) Do you see Bruce Willis and Demi Moore hanging out together?

Why do you suppose this rumor has dogged Cruise throughout his career? He wasn't always the biggest movie star in the world, and I've never heard similar stories concerning, say, Mel Gibson, Tom Hanks, Harrison Ford etc... Please don't tell me that it's because Tom was once a "pretty boy." Neither I nor any of my gay friends have ever considered him very spongeworthy. (I myself grew up with a hopeless crush on Dennis Quaid, whom I, like everybody else, never thought was gay.)

Again, none of this is proven, of course, but I'm sure getting a kick out of conceiving this convoluted theory...

[electriclite]

Originally posted by FeverDog420
Well, when one is headlining two high-profile Hollywood movies with strong advance buzz in the same calendar year, one could believe one has made it. Kidman was all over the media before Moulin Rouge's premiere, leading me to believe that she knew where her 2001 was heading.

The box office success of Moulin Rouge and The Others is beside the point, since a blockbuster movie isn't integral to a Hollywood actress' stature in the biz. (Was the box office receipts for Boys Don't Cry what made Hillary Swank a star? What was the last big commercial hit for Susan Sarandon, or Halle Berry?)

It's safe to assume that critical success is more important than commercial for most actresses, including Kidman. Surely being married to Tom Cruise for a decade has given her enough money to not worry about the box office prospects for The Others 2.

And, c'mon, do you still think marriage confirms one's heterosexuality? (Why no children, I wonder.) By this rationale one can also believe that bachelorhood confirms one's homosexuality. There's a movie coming out soon (Todd Haynes' Far From Heaven) that illustrates this misnomer.

Won't you admit to even the possibility that this scenario I've pondered is plausible? I'm not saying it's true (what proof do I have?), but I've made a case for it. Isn't is somewhat curious that Tom and Nicole have remained friends after their divorce? (They even reunited to fight a trademark infringement case together a few months ago.) Do you see Bruce Willis and Demi Moore hanging out together?

Why do you suppose this rumor has dogged Cruise throughout his career? He wasn't always the biggest movie star in the world, and I've never heard similar stories concerning, say, Mel Gibson, Tom Hanks, Harrison Ford etc... Please don't tell me that it's because Tom was once a "pretty boy." Neither I nor any of my gay friends have ever considered him very spongeworthy. (I myself grew up with a hopeless crush on Dennis Quaid, whom I, like everybody else, never thought was gay.)

Again, none of this is proven, of course, but I'm sure getting a kick out of conceiving this convoluted theory...


Yeah, but Hollywood is all about the money. Critics don't help studios earn back their budget. You don't give a movie millions of dollars just so the lead actress gets a stellar review. Studios are all about finding the next box office draw. If anything Moulin Rouge and the Others are those Hollywood litmus tests that prove whether an actor will be "The Next Bankable Thing", ala Legally Blonde. They weren't meant to be little subtle arthouse flicks that could get by with a few million.

And yes, I have seen Demi and Bruce together in recent photos. They have kids together, the twain shall meet.

Now I don't know what's the Box office tally for Berry and Sarandon but as far as I know, Berry was usually a secondary character in most films she was in. Besides even if she did star in a film, the budget was small enough to make back, or it just became one more stepping stone on the way to better material(Rod Steiger: 60% virgin, 40% whore) And usually a Susan Sarandon film isn't a very highly budgeted film, so it earns back what it spent easier. If anything she has a bit of senority because people do actually go watch her movies because it's Susan Sarandon.

[Ronaldinho]

Originally posted by FeverDog420
Do you see Bruce Willis and Demi Moore hanging out together?
.

Yes, actually.

[The Postmaster General]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FeverDog420
And, c'mon, do you still think marriage confirms one's heterosexuality


I'm not sure, but aren't Billy Bob and Jolie childless?



Why do you suppose this rumor has dogged Cruise throughout his career?

Same reason every generation tells their kids about the Easter Bunny. Same reason people say there is man hanging himself in the Wizard of Oz. Same reason that people say the a small kid had died on the set of 3 Men and a Baby and you can see the child's ghost in a window. Same reason we have all heard about how wild the drunken munchkin orgies were. Same reason that the truth is out there. Same reason Paul is dead. Same reason that Gary Spivey, Dionne Warwick, Phillip Michael Thomas, Miss Cleo, Benny Hinn, and Jim Baker are able to have jobs. Same reason Michael Jackson used household bleech to appear more white. Same reason that Pink Floyd composed Dark Side of the Moon as an Easter egg soundtrack to Wizard of Oz. Same reason that people say every clock in Pulp Fiction is tuned to 4:20.

And the reason is....

people are stupid and bored.

[chinton]

I happen to be gay and I can see what the man meant by the original post. I mean to tell you the truth being gay is hard. I have not come out to anybody and to have to constantly keep my other life secret, change pronouns, and not angry when my college friends constantly insult gay people. This tears me up insdie.

It is just too bad that Hollywood ahs to extend this ridiculous notion that being gay is wrong. It is just a different sexual prefernce. Get over it! I hope to go into Hollywood someday. Well I guess Ill have to live with my secrets till the d ay I die.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by chinton
I happen to be gay and I can see what the man meant by the original post. I mean to tell you the truth being gay is hard. I have not come out to anybody and to have to constantly keep my other life secret, change pronouns, and not angry when my college friends constantly insult gay people. This tears me up insdie.

It is just too bad that Hollywood ahs to extend this ridiculous notion that being gay is wrong. It is just a different sexual prefernce. Get over it! I hope to go into Hollywood someday. Well I guess Ill have to live with my secrets till the d ay I die.

I feel for you. But I can assure you that being gay doesn't automatically blacklist you in Hollywood. The only reason many gay celebrities aren't out is because of the rednecks in the bible belt. Truthfully, 75% of people don't give a rat's ass if you're gay. Live your life, and to hell with anybody who has a problem with you.:D

[TheHitcher2]

Hey, kids, as a public relations major, I want to voice my opinion in this matter...

I am 100% convinced that Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman's marriage was both a cover and a publicity scandal. It was a classic PR move...Kidman and Cruise split just as Kidman was becoming a full-fledged star and the press flocked around that.

The whole Penelope Cruz thing is also an obvious cover...if it wasn't for that, she wouldn't be as known as she is and it was great publicity for Vanilla Sky.

Hollywood is faked...so much goes on behind closed doors that you don't even know about...

[FeverDog420]

Thanks, Hitcher, for backing me up. I'm surprised that there are those who don't believe their marriage was nothing but a ruse.

Oh, and re: Billy Bob and Angelina. 1. They weren't married for a decade, and 2. Didn't Angelina sign a contract stating that she wouldn't get pregnant until after she completed the Tomb Raider sequel?

[The Postmaster General]

Can someone compose a list of reasons that you think Tom Cruise is gay?

[Madeline]

:( Wait! I hate it when people talk about people being this and that and refuse to name them? I mean we all know it's just speculation but I for one can't stand it when I have to guess at everything. Come out with it! Was the first person you were talking about Tom Cruise?

And for myself, Tom Cruise does seem kind of gay but he and Nicole Kidman seem too NICE to fake an entire marriage. :o

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Madeline
And for myself, Tom Cruise does seem kind of gay but he and Nicole Kidman seem too NICE to fake an entire marriage. :o


This is EXACTLY my point.


People, which is worse?

- Being in the closet

- or disrespecting two people's life together because you think one of them is gay


I know which is worse, but don't think other people do.

You people are perpetrating rumours that two kids are going to grow up with. How long before one of these innocent kids hear that people think daddy's gay, and their parents are a sham? Yeah, that's going to be great.

And don't give me that, 'Well the press makes a bigger deal out of it, so our actions cause no harm." malarky!

These are two human beings, not two sexualized objects that are here for us to fantasize about.

And if these Tom Cruise rumours are true -- Riddle me this:

Why isn't the supposed Tom Cruise gay porno all over the place? Stallone did one porn, and that could be found anywhere as soon as he became a star.

You mean to tell me that there is a gay porn of Tom Cruise and no one has seen it except the guy claiming to have it? Cruise sued the guy asking him to stop telling lies. If there was really a Tom Cruise tape, show it to me. If R.Kelly's child porn can make it onto the internet, you'd have to be a damn fool to think you could hold back Tom Cruise in gay porn.


All of the reasons people have for him being gay, are asinine -- He divorced Nicole Kidman? Billy Bob divorced Jolie. He adopted kids? Yeah, and Nicole had a miscarriage, which is a great reason to adopt. I suppose you people think Cruise had someone step in to knock her up, then they aborted the child so that no one would figure out it wasn't Tom's -- Is that your story? He acts gay -- Acts gay to who? I don't even look at him and think of sexualility -- if a woman does, that's fine. If a gay dude does, that's fine. I want to hear the heterosexual men tell me excactly what Tom Cruise does that makes you think gay thoughts.

No one can give any damn good reasons why they think Cruise is gay. And I ask, why are we undermining a marriage and life between two people for no damn good reason.



Too much time on our hands?

[Dude]

Excellant points Bubba!

Now ya wanna talk sham and blatently obvious?

Michael Jackson and Lisa Maries' ARRANGED by Scientology marriage. Came right at the time when Jacko was being accused of licking boy weenie. THAT marriage was a FRAUD, and Elvis must have rolled over in his grave.... TWICE!:(

[Negrotigre]

A friend of mine was on the set of Mission Impossible 2, where Tom Cruise was constantly seen with his little group of friends, all muscular, yet feminine. Everyone on the set knew he was gay. Although, people were prohibited from talking openly about Tom.
Hell, I even recalled an interview from Nicole Kidman years ago, where she talked about how she was living in her NY apartment, just after spending the last year being out of the country working on different projects. Problem is, Tom was living in LA, still married to Nicole at the time. They'd didn't even live together. The marriage was a farce. Hollywood is illusion over reality, remember that.

[SAI]

Frankly my reaction to all these arguments is the same. WHO CARES!

There has long been talk that Jodie Foster is gay, she's never said and I respect that, its none of our business who she sleeps with. In the end though if she were to come out what would it matter, it changes nothing, I'd still be a fan, and she'd still be one of the best actresses of her generation.

The same goes for Cruise, what does it matter if, in the words of Jay "He loves the cock"? Would it alter the fact he was brilliant in Magnolia?

In the end some things ought to be private and we ought to have enough respect for people to let them remain so.

[Negrotigre]

Sai,
I see your point. Privacy is a very important thing. For others, character is an even bigger issue. What a person does affects my view of their character, especially when they try fool me into believing something opposite of the truth. Just my opinion.

[DynamiteDan]

Well I am not gonna name who I talked about in my original posting (I had forgotten about this thread!), as I don't fancy getting sued and I wouldnt want this site to be taken down...
It just annoys me that celebs seem to hide their sexual orientation due to studio pressure/fear of image tarnished etc.

[happy OUT here]

If a celebrity comes up and asks you to sleep with them....maybe their sexual orientation will matter. Otherwise, who cares???

[freakandgeek]

Originally posted by happy OUT here
If a celebrity comes up and asks you to sleep with them....maybe their sexual orientation will matter. Otherwise, who cares???

yeah

[Irene Manor]

Originally posted by DynamiteDan
It just annoys me that celebs seem to hide their sexual orientation due to studio pressure/fear of image tarnished etc.



I don't think you would care if Tom Arnold was gay. For some reason I think it bothers guys when the person they believe is gay (suspect is more like it) happens to be getting all of the attention from the females.

I think that's why there are only rumours of "hot" guys being gay. How often do you hear speculation about Gilbert Godfrey being gay, even though he acts like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds? Never. Jeffery Jones is as gay as can be, and no one ever speculated that, or even talked about it after the fact.

It says alot when there are dozens of threads about Tom Cruise being gay, but there was never any attention on the people who have actually come out as being gay.

If I were gay, I would take insult. People are more interested in speculation and accusation than they are about knowing the truth.

And yeah, I think it sucks that gay people feel they have to hide who they are, but I must say that threads like this are part of the reason.

You people say that celebrities should be who they are, and say if they are gay -- it doesn't matter, but threads like this show that it DOES matter. If it doesn't matter, then what is even the point of this thread?

[Dixiecup]

I agree with everyone who said it best- Who gives a flying fart who is and who's not? Remember waaay back when Richard Gere was said to have been taken to Cedars with a gerbil in his rectum? What a stupid, pointless rumor to perpetuate. Hell, even if it were true, at the end of the day, it's HIS business. Not the publics.

One one hand, I can see the arguement that when an actor/ess achieves that ever elusive star called fame, they leave themselves open for people to speculate about their sexuality.

At the same time, who in middle America is going to ponder it for more than one minute or loose sleep over it? Not many. Will it make some people shun their movies? A few. However, if their convictions are so strong that they will not watch a homosexual actor in whatecver role they are playing, chances are they would find the premise of the picture against their moral code anyway, and wouldn't watch it.

Just my two cents.