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SenorSpielbergo
10-03-2002, 11:11 PM
What would you say is the best science fiction film to come out of the 1990's?

tbone
10-04-2002, 12:40 AM
The Matrix even though I did love Jurassic Park and really enjoyed Dark City. The Matrix just gets better every time I watch it.

dannywalker17
10-04-2002, 01:27 AM
I would say Star Trek: Generations, but its not on there, so I picked The Matrix.

RogueSpear
10-04-2002, 01:45 AM
It's hard to pick the best because there's so many movies up there that I like, however I went with Terminator 2: Judgment Day, with The Matrix following closely behind...

Jasonite
10-04-2002, 03:44 AM
Yeah, I'd say Matrix takes the cake here.


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arto_j
10-04-2002, 09:57 AM
Actually, I would've voted for Contact. But out of that (otherwise very good) list, I chose 12 Monkeys.

Kastman
10-04-2002, 10:10 AM
holy shit i voted for jacobs ladder, for some reason i went right past the matrix, i would have voted for that.

if only i could go back in time

MikeyB
10-04-2002, 10:32 AM
I went with Terminator 2 .

mattjk_17
10-04-2002, 03:11 PM
Terminator 2

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EBastard
10-04-2002, 03:16 PM
The Matrix, here. T2:JD is arguably the best action sequel of all time, but The Matrix is just a masterpiece.

CeMeTaRy_GaTeS
10-05-2002, 09:10 PM
T2 wins in my books, follwed by THE MATRIX

Moviejunkie
10-06-2002, 12:07 AM
T2 followed closely by the matrix

Just Jack
10-06-2002, 01:43 AM
Jurassic Park

It's great and it's also a childhood favorite (I was 10 when it came out)

therealjohng
10-06-2002, 03:37 PM
You forgot Blade Runner: The Director's Cut. Ridley Scott's Best and the best Science Fiction film of all time.

SenorSpielbergo
10-06-2002, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by therealjohng
You forgot Blade Runner: The Director's Cut. Ridley Scott's Best and the best Science Fiction film of all time.

See my topic: Best Sci-Fi of the 80s

Jasonite
10-07-2002, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by arto_j
Actually, I would've voted for Contact. But out of that (otherwise very good) list, I chose 12 Monkeys.


You're right, I'd say Contact also, but since it's not on the list...


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therealjohng
10-07-2002, 06:24 PM
See my topic: Best Sci-Fi of the 80s

The Director's Cut came out in 1992. Not the 80's. It's a totally different movie than the original.

Watermelon Man
10-08-2002, 09:02 AM
I'm surprised that Total Recall didn't get any votes and Star Wars did.

I voted for The Matrix, with 12 Monkeys as a close second choice.

Hannibal21
09-18-2003, 04:37 PM
Jurassic Park (9/10) for me. :)

RickySlade
09-18-2003, 04:41 PM
The Matrix followed closely by T2 and 12 Monkeys

Trinity
09-18-2003, 04:56 PM
Contact, but from that list The Matrix.

ToRontoRon
09-18-2003, 05:27 PM
1. The Matrix
2. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
3. Jurassic Park

Raw Chili
09-18-2003, 05:41 PM
1. T2
2. The Matrix
3. Total Recall

zeppelin
09-18-2003, 06:07 PM
I think T2 is the best sci-fi of the 90s, followed VERY closely by Dark City. Both are 9/10's from me.

Scarface98.9
09-18-2003, 07:46 PM
Dark City, no question about it

syxxpac
09-18-2003, 08:36 PM
T2

Indiana Sev
09-18-2003, 09:58 PM
Dark City just barely over T2.

blankpage
09-18-2003, 10:01 PM
Pi

QUENTIN
09-18-2003, 10:08 PM
Dark City, the top movie of 1998 and easily the best sci-fi of the last decade. Actually I'd call it the best sci-fi flick since Empire.

Subotai
09-18-2003, 10:41 PM
What, no Gattaca?

Ripper1888
09-19-2003, 02:20 AM
Dark City narrowly over 12 Monkeys the rest suck

James Logan
09-19-2003, 06:55 AM
Out of that list, I'll go easily with JURASSIC PARK. Some of the other flicks are indeed very good (DARK CITY, 12 MONKEYS), some are great entertainment (THE MATRIX), but none beats JP. It's a friggin' masterpiece.

Shockwave
09-19-2003, 07:48 AM
Jurrasic Park would be my pick on that list.While Terminator 2s story and visuals stunned me it was nothing to the sensation of seeing Jurrasic Park for the first time, it was litterly the Star Wars of my youth!

Dark City and Matrix, while both good, dont stack up to T2 which comes the closest to toppling the dino-infested masterpeice.:cool:

Sculder
09-19-2003, 09:11 AM
Some of my faves in there but Dark City just shades it for me over Jacob's Ladder and T2 since it is a unique film.

Puck Bond
09-19-2003, 11:01 AM
Top 10 Sci-fi films of the 1990's
1. Dark City(1998)-10/10
2. The Fifth Element(1997)-10/10
3. 12 Monkeys(1995)-9/10
4. Apollo 13(1995)-9/10
5. Total Recall(1990)-9/10
6. Terminator 2: Judgment Day(1991)-9/10
7. The Matrix(1999)-9/10
8. Independence Day(1996)-9/10
9. Contact(1997)-8/10
10. Gattaca(1997)-8/10

Tuukka
09-19-2003, 02:21 PM
Jacob's Ladder and Pi are not sci-fi. No sci-fi locations, characters or gadgetery. Pi had the "super computer", but it was no more sci-fi than modern computers. In fact it was rather retro.

stevereno
09-19-2003, 06:41 PM
FROM THE LIST
- T2
- JURASSIC PARK

NOT FROM THE LIST
- THE FIFTH ELEMENT

SHIVER ME TIMBERS

Romero&Juliet
09-19-2003, 07:08 PM
No love for Richard Stanley's HARDWARE? What gives?!

Scarface98.9
09-20-2003, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by QUENTIN
Dark City, the top movie of 1998 and easily the best sci-fi of the last decade. Actually I'd call it the best sci-fi flick since Empire.
For once, we're in total agreement

SubMethod
09-20-2003, 02:53 AM
Pi is in my top twenty of all time.

Mikey2Dope
09-20-2003, 04:19 AM
Terminator 2: Judgement Day (10/10) - #11 on my all time Top 20.

Cosimo
09-20-2003, 05:49 AM
If Blade Runner is taken into account then obviously that would be my favourite but i also enjoyed and where is )EXISTENZ

12 Monkeys (9/10)
Pi (8/10)
Jacobs Ladder (8/10)
Total Recall (8/10)
Gattaca (8/10)
T2 (8/10)
The Matrix (9/10)

Damned Martian
09-20-2003, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Tuukka
Jacob's Ladder and Pi are not sci-fi. No sci-fi locations, characters or gadgetery. Pi had the "super computer", but it was no more sci-fi than modern computers. In fact it was rather retro. I think you're a bit confused on what science fiction is. It's not everything about supercomputers or spaceships or robots. Look this site for definitions (http://www.panix.com/~gokce/sf_defn.html). In fact, i don't think Star Wars is much sci-fi. It's more fantasy with technology.

Pi talks about the nature of God and the order in nature from the point of view of science, concretely mathematics. That's sci-fi.

Slim
09-20-2003, 10:40 AM
I think the best sci-fi film of the 90s was Contact. Since it's not on the list, I'll vote for Dark City. Terminator 2 is a close second.

Tuukka
09-20-2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by damned martian
I think you're a bit confused on what science fiction is. It's not everything about supercomputers or spaceships or robots. Look this site for definitions (http://www.panix.com/~gokce/sf_defn.html). In fact, i don't think Star Wars is much sci-fi. It's more fantasy with technology.

Pi talks about the nature of God and the order in nature from the point of view of science, concretely mathematics. That's sci-fi.

RE: I read the quotes there, and pretty much everyone agreed with me. Jacob's Ladder has NOTHING to do with sci-fi and the fact that Pi has mathematics in it doesn't make it sci-fi either.

In Pi the lead "thinks" that he is achieving something new. But he never really does, and even if he might think so, the audience doesn't know if he is just imagining things.

Can you provide a quote which supports your stand? A REAL DEFINITION, not just some guy somewhere who says things that are too vague to really make any sense of.

Jacob's Ladder and Pi are not sci-fi. Not by any real definition.

Science Fiction means that the story has fictional scientific content in it. And this content has to be PHYSICAL. Not something on theoretical level. It has to exist in the physical reality of the film.

Pi had fictional science only on theoretical level, not in the actual reality of the film. It was suggested that there was sci-fi also on the actual physical reality of the film (A computer becomes self-aware), but this was just theories from characters. Nothing factual. The "Number of the God" was a theory as well. It was never proven in any sense, and the lead was already well on his way of losing it when he got the numbers.

Star Wars is sci-fi with fantasy elements. The space ships and many other things in the films are not based on force, but on fictional empiric science.

Damned Martian
09-20-2003, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Tuukka
Science Fiction means that the story has fictional scientific content in it. And this content has to be PHYSICAL. Not something on theoretical level. It has to exist in the physical reality of the film. And exactly where do you get the definition that Sci-fi can't be theoretical?

Pi is about a man that tries to find the essence of nature, the order behind it all, by using science (mathematics). THAT'S sci-fi, even if the result is not physicall. The mere investigation makes it be sci-fi.

About Jacob's Ladder, it's much more difuse. I guess that *SPOILERS* the drugs used on the soldiers, and their effects, can be considered as a way of especulate about medical research and its consequences, thus converting it in sci-fi especulation *END SPOILERS*, but here i could agree with you.

SW has little to do with sci-fi. It's a typical fantasy movie that takes some elements of sci-fi as a context (starships, phasers, etc). But the essence of the story has nothing to do with any especulation or any scientifical fact. Not that i really mind that it's called sci-fi, but if people get the idea of SW=sci-fi, it's easy to confuse some lesser fantastic sci-fi movies (like Pi, or The Truman Show) with other genres.

I think you're confusing "sci-fi" with "hard sci-fi", which is more "physicall", as you say, in the sense that it's more about the concrete technology and less about the society and the ideas.

Tuukka
09-20-2003, 03:54 PM
And exactly where do you get the definition that Sci-fi can't be theoretical?

RE: Because that would mean that reality is science fiction. Theoretical, non-physical science exists in reality. But theoretical physical science doesn't. Only the theory exists.

Pi is about a man that tries to find the essence of nature, the order behind it all, by using science (mathematics). THAT'S sci-fi, even if the result is not physicall. The mere investigation makes it be sci-fi.

RE: Since reality has investigation on the essence of nature by using mathematics, does that mean that reality is science-fiction? No, it doesn't.

If I write a story about a modern day man who uses modern day means to create scientific theories, that's NOT science fiction.

Only if those theories are proven to be true we are entering the realm of science fiction. Nothing in Pi was proven to be true, unless you ignore the fact that the lead character was crazy and you take everything he says at face value. Then you could consider it as science fiction. Personally I didn't think that he had found the truth, but of course you can interpret it differently.

So I guess we can agree that if the truth was found in Pi, then it enters the realm of sci-fi. I didn't interpret the film like that, but your interpretation is just as valid.

So my first post is wrong, Pi *can* be considered as sci-fi.

About Jacob's Ladder, it's much more difuse. I guess that *SPOILERS* the drugs used on the soldiers, and their effects, can be considered as a way of especulate about medical research and its consequences, thus converting it in sci-fi especulation *END SPOILERS*, but here i could agree with you.

RE: Real life drugs can cause all the effects we saw in the movie, so it's not really sci-fi.

SW has little to do with sci-fi. It's a typical fantasy movie that takes some elements of sci-fi as a context (starships, phasers, etc). But the essence of the story has nothing to do with any especulation or any scientifical fact.

RE: The film is 50% sci-fi, 50% fantasy.

Not that i really mind that it's called sci-fi, but if people get the idea of SW=sci-fi, it's easy to confuse some lesser fantastic sci-fi movies (like Pi, or The Truman Show) with other genres.

RE: I agree that Truman Show is a sci-fi film, BTW. Both in technological and sociological sense.

I think you're confusing "sci-fi" with "hard sci-fi", which is more "physicall", as you say, in the sense that it's more about the concrete technology and less about the society and the ideas.

RE: No. I'm an avid reader of sci-fi, so I'm familiar with the terminology. Admittedly my earlier definition of sci-fi is wrong. Along with technical content, the simple fact that the story happens in future or in alien environment can make it sci-fi. And there is one genre which is considered as sci-fi, even if it happens in modern day with modern technology: The alternative history genre (For example 1984).

Damned Martian
09-20-2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Tuukka
And exactly where do you get the definition that Sci-fi can't be theoretical?

RE: Because that would mean that reality is science fiction. Theoretical, non-physical science exists in reality. But theoretical physical science doesn't. Only the theory exists. I'm not sure to understand this explanation. Anyway, we have found some sort of agreement, so let's end the discussion. :)

BTW, The Truman Show was the best sci-fi of the 90's, but it wasn't included in the list, so i voted for the usually forgotten modern classic Total Recall. It wasn't my favorite from the list, but i thought it wasn't going to receive many votes.

sarah1980
09-20-2003, 08:48 PM
My top 5 choices for the best sci-fi film of the 90s




1.T2
2.Jurassic Park
3.The Fifth Element
4.The Matrix
5.Dark City

Scooter
09-21-2003, 03:00 PM
T2 no contest

Lazy Boy
09-21-2003, 03:09 PM
Dark City. Constantly underrated by the masses. Thank goodness its found its following by some schmoes here on this board.

The Delfonics
09-26-2003, 07:25 AM
Delfonics with the sleeper pick of sorts, Jurassic Park.

J.Estacado
09-26-2003, 10:29 AM
Matrix got my vote tho it was between that & Dark City

Grouchu
09-26-2003, 10:42 AM
The Matrix for me, though it was hard choosing between that and T2.

YodaMokona
09-26-2003, 07:16 PM
Great choices, but it's Dark City by a landslide. This is probably the single most underrated and overlooked film of the last 10 years. If you haven't already seen it, do yourself a huge favor and go rent it now! It is intelligent, dark, and awesome to look at. A real science fiction masterpiece.

chappers
09-26-2003, 11:18 PM
I chose Terminator 2 followed distantly by the The Matrix

sAtAn666
09-27-2003, 06:55 AM
Dark City. What the hell's TPM doing there?

Guy Strong
09-27-2003, 11:01 PM
Terminator 2: Judgment Day - 8.5/10

chappers
09-28-2003, 12:11 AM
I just wanted to say that I am new here and it is so cool to see all this love for T2 and Puck, putting Total Recall before so many other great movies is fun to see. All my roomates think movies like XXX or Bad Boys (not Sci FI I know) are the greates movies and give no love to the 80's-early 90'S Arnie credit. They are all like he's old. who cares? These movies are friggin classic, and where's Predator on that list? And did anybody else think Starship Troopers should have at least been on the list?

Sculder
09-28-2003, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by chappers
I just wanted to say that I am new here and it is so cool to see all this love for T2 and Puck, putting Total Recall before so many other great movies is fun to see. All my roomates think movies like XXX or Bad Boys (not Sci FI I know) are the greates movies and give no love to the 80's-early 90'S Arnie credit. They are all like he's old. who cares? These movies are friggin classic, and where's Predator on that list? And did anybody else think Starship Troopers should have at least been on the list?

I think Starship Troopers deserved to be on the list more than TPM or Jurassic Park.

Arathon
10-28-2003, 12:30 AM
Terminator 2..definitely.

Moviefan1234
10-28-2003, 01:31 AM
"Jurassic Park"

bigred760
10-28-2003, 09:55 AM
Matrix all the way baby!