Just a complaint....

[foxgate2000]

Ok, before I rant and rave I just have to say this isn't directed at anyone particular, just in general...that said, let the fun begin:

I have been seeing alot of how "Americanization" or "Westernizing" sucks and yada yada yada. Most of which come from the UK and the like. This seriously bugs me. I understand we all have opinions (I prefer anime to our cartoons and British comedies to most American) but it seems that alot of people keep saying how much they suck. Granted maybe some do, and it falls under the remake bitch rather than "Westernizing".
I hate to say this, but I don't find any other country smarter than American's (as I found out watching British versions of American gameshows-don't ask-much to my amazement). I understand this is just a pet peeve and I don't want to piss anyone off, but this seriously gets under my skin. I made a comment before about "beating" a game and got this comment in reply: "I love it how americans say beating a game and we Brits say 'finish'." SHUT THE HELL UP!

Anyhoo, I personally don't see where the problem is. I watched Vanilla Sky, and though I hated it until I got to the end and found out what it was (after which I LOVED it). So what if it was first a foreign film. It opened it to more audiences. It was a good film. It was enjoyed by lots of people. Where's the problem. I have seen lots of movies that were foreign films first then the "Americanizations", as they were, were far superior. Not always the case, true, but often enough they are at least enjoyable just as much. I, for, one, am eagerly awaiting THE RING in all its American Remake worth. It opens this weekend for me, but from people who already saw it it seems to be quite popular. I guess, to state it simply, I hate it when people can't except other's cultures. I'm done bitching. Sorry. Forum now open for discussion.

[Jason Voorhees]

"Americanizing" isn't inherently a bad thing and I think we all understand that. From what I've seen, I think people weren't complaining that the remakes were American so much as they felt they were just going to be inept films; although I suppose the insinuation is there.

With The Ring, I get the impression that most people thought it would be ''Teened up, and ''Dumbed down'' to appeal to the Scream mindset (and I could go a fucking rant of my own about that shit, but I won't). I'm not so sure about Vanilla Sky; I haven't been privy to any threads discussing that film.

About the video game thing, I don't think there was any malice in that comment. I think the guy was just a bit amused by the difference in slang; of course I could be entirely wrong, just my take. I could be wrong about The Ring as well, as I haven't paid much attention to the threads discussing it; I haven't seen the original so I felt inadequate. I do know, though, that the ''teening it up'' thing is a very common complaint about horror remakes, foreign or domestic.

[foxgate2000]

As always, JV, your comments are intelligent and interesting. I was just in a bit of a mood because I was flipping through forums and saw a number of people (I hate to say it but mostly Brits) complaining about americanization. Come to think about it, Brits get uppity about anything american (Alan Moore's dislike of American anything except the Sorprano's springs to mind). It was just getting to me. Didn't really mean to rant and rave, and I can understand the fear of "teening up" a movie. I greatly hate that. I enjoyed Scream for what it was, and most horror movies revolve around teenagers, but Scream also brought a bad thing with it, too. As always, all opinions are appreciated and enjoyed.

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by foxgate2000
As always, JV, your comments are intelligent and interesting. I was just in a bit of a mood because I was flipping through forums and saw a number of people (I hate to say it but mostly Brits) complaining about americanization. Come to think about it, Brits get uppity about anything american (Alan Moore's dislike of American anything except the Sorprano's springs to mind). It was just getting to me. Didn't really mean to rant and rave, and I can understand the fear of "teening up" a movie. I greatly hate that. I enjoyed Scream for what it was, and most horror movies revolve around teenagers, but Scream also brought a bad thing with it, too. As always, all opinions are appreciated and enjoyed.

Thank you, that's very kind of you. Your insights are always worth a read as well. I also agree that jingoism is highly annoying; since when is a circumstance such as location of birth something to be proud of? Or to extoll the virtues of? In my opinion, jingoism is another from of bigotry; it's just as nonsensical and ridiculous. It's sad that there are people like that out there.

No need for a defense, I empathize with the need to write diatribes as form of catharsis (look at my post count, it's all I do lol). People who can't understand or respect other cultures and ways of life are small, spiteful types imo. I like schmoes of all nationalities. Canadian, Scottish, British, Latin, but I digress.

No culture is perfect, which makes the whole ''My country is better than yours'' attitude ridiculous.

I haven't seen this attitude on the boards (thankfully), but have encountered it elsewhere. It's quite senseless.

[Corpse Candle]

Hey look it's a "Brit" about to moan everyone get inside thier fall out shelters.
I understand FOXGATE that you are not attacking anyone personaly but when you say that it was mostly Brits who were bitching about the remake of the RING and so forth I feel I have to add something due to the fact that I was one of them.
This is my argument in a few simple points:

-America and hollywood inparticular have a bad habit of reworking everyone else's work(THE ITALIAN JOB should be boycotted).

-I have been bombarded by hollywood for the best part of my life and am sick to death of it.

-This film is purely for the money(remake of THE RING).

-Some people will only see the remake and think of that as THE original RING and that irritates me because it's not a film from the states.

However weather this post is taken too seriously and is digested as smoothly as a bread knife is up to the reader.
Westerinisation is not something That the U.S is responable for that's the west in all it's different cultures it just happens that America is the most influencial country in the west or any hemesphere.
For me personaly I jsut do not want to see an American RING this has nothing to do with American culture as a whole just a part of it.
I mean every culture has points to it that we like and dislike there is no perfect culture.
CHEERS

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by Corpse Candle
-America and hollywood inparticular have a bad habit of reworking everyone else's work.


What do you feel is bad about that? I'm not trying to insult your or your opinion, I'm just curious. Every time a remake is begun, there is a chance for improvement; obviously that all depends on the individuals working on the film and the film in question, but, the chance is there.

I don't think it's an inherently bad thing if Hollywood wants to take a shot at recreating a film. Maybe it will be good, maybe it won't. Like any other film.

I see your point about The Ring, or, at least, I think I do. I haven't seen the original, but your post seems to insinuate that the film has a message in it about Japanese culture that would be lost on American audiences and film makers, correct?

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I'm not trying to tear it down. Just a bit curious is all.

[Dark_One79]

Originally posted by Corpse Candle
-This film is purely for the money(remake of THE RING).

-Some people will only see the remake and think of that as THE original RING and that irritates me because it's not a film from the states.

Hey Corpse, got a few words of response. Take it as you will...

Yes. the remake of THE RING is purely for the money. Most movies with a budget over $500,000 are made with a profit in mind. However, with that said, I think their was a creative justification as well.

Let us face facts. Most American viewers, myself included, had never heard of the original until the remake was announced. Now, I, as any film lover, researched the original as soon as I learned of its existence. True, most Americans, or should I say people in general, wouldn't care enough to do that, but some of us, over here, did.

So, I think this remake is a good thing as it has encouraged my love of foreign horror cinema, and enouraged some of my friends to look for entertainment outside of our borders.

Also, I don't think a remake should be trashed when it is being released, primarily, at least, in a market where the original is, quite frankly, absent. If nothing else, this will increase awareness for a few.

Another thing. Please don't criticize the movie because many will only be familiar with the remake here in the States. Please don't pretend that we are all that gullible. Sure, many will say that (*fill-in THE RING director's name here) crafted an original, terrifying horror film. But that doesn't mean we all will be that naive. Simply, some people, actually a majority, don't have the time to be that dedicated to film. Most aren't as educated as you or I in this particular field.

Also, it isn't like the practice of remaking films is a strictly American tradition. It seems to me that, although I am hard pressed for an example, and this is probably due to a lack of my knowledge of foreign cinema, that "stealing" ideas would go across the oceans in both directions.

But hey Corpse, you know I respect your opinions. Just having a discussion here. I listened to what you have to say, and it was interesting. I hope you'll do the same my friend.

.02.

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by Dark_One79
It seems to me that, although I am hard pressed for an example, and this is probably due to a lack of my knowledge of foreign cinema, that "stealing" ideas would go across the oceans in both directions.

These aren't remakes per se, and I'm probably going to get sent to hell for this: But do you think that all those Italian directors doing knockoffs of George Romero's ''Dead'' films could be construed as ''stealing'' ideas?

Sorry, just had to say that... Nothing against Italian zombie horror (I personally love it; gore and zombies are the gifts that keep on giving imo).

[Corpse Candle]

I don't wish to sound militant with my opinions I do not mean to insult, abuse or offend with what I say.
I do hope my words do not convey themselves to be careless uneducated and illmannered (I know for sure I have posted a couple of things here without due fore thought).
Most probably part of my opinion could be down to a jealuos section I of my feelings towards the monlithic Americain film industry as oppssed to the micro comsic British one.
However(and there always is one he he) it is just PART of the motive behind my opinion the other is due to the fact that hollywood is a huge ruthless machine that kills off other new ideas from anywhere(I don't just mean foriegen country) else or chews them up and reuses them.
When I said people will see the RING remake and think of it as the original I was only talking about the more casual viewer.
I think remakes would not be needed if distrbution of the original film was improved and better accses to foriegn films were offered to the public.
I am glad someone has challegend my opinions because that is the only way we can learn experence and debate.
I also think it is important for people to know my comments are drivin from an opinion about a film in my mind abstract from a country's entire culture.
Darkone I always value opinions in this life you can't afford not to.

[Dark_One79]

Originally posted by Jason Voorhees
These aren't remakes per se, and I'm probably going to get sent to hell for this: But do you think that all those Italian directors doing knockoffs of George Romero's ''Dead'' films could be construed as ''stealing'' ideas?

Well, my choice of "stealing" may not be the best use of a term. Instead I would say heavily influenced. Although I guess some could view is as a "theft" of ideas, if not the actual film itself.

I guess I was just trying to say that a lack of originality cannot be pinned on one market.

Originally posted by Corpse Candle
Darkone I always value opinions in this life you can't afford not to.

Exactly. That is why I love this place. Not everyone will agree with me, therefore it gives me a chance to see another's perspective, and hence, grow intellectually.

Even if it is generally just about horror movies :)

[Jewbo]

Originally posted by foxgate2000
I made a comment before about "beating" a game and got this comment in reply: "I love it how americans say beating a game and we Brits say 'finish'." SHUT THE HELL UP!



ok it was me that said this now how is that offensive to u? i didnt say " i think it stupid the way americans say beat a game and brits say completed". what the hell is wrong with what i said? to tell the truth on the whole i prefer american culture to that here. i wasnt taking the piss at all so dont tell me 2 shut the hell up.

just summin else id like 2 add of my apparent hate of america
(look at the i must really hate u i didnt even use a capital A).

my fave films of all time in no order are:

requiem for a dream (Darren Aronofsky american)
elephand man (david lynch arerican)
gummo (Harmony Korine american)
the exorcist ( William Friedkin american)

my fave bands at the moment:

white stripes (american)
queens of the stone age (american)
cky (american)

my fave tv programs

sopranos (american)
simpsons (american)
jackass (american)

my fave drink:

dr pepper (american as far as i know)


i have always had a fasination (sorry im a dumb brit and cant spell) with america and american culture. i have always wanted to go but its far 2 expensive (im 2 dumb to get a proper well paid job). u may not have ment to offend but im affraid u did.

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

This has to be one of the most interesting topics I've come across in a while. America is the smartest country in the world? Have you read any statistics sheets on the matter? I'm afraid you'll see much differently afterwords.
Americanization doesn't really exist. You commented on "The Ring" remake which wasn't shot in America, wasn't directed by an American and doesn't star an American lead (Naomi Watts being from Australia) and still classified it as being American. By the way, The Ring remake is fantastic 10/10.

The pride which is released by the American populous is incredibly strong. It should be but give it a rest! These issues are hardly worth the effort! Other countries hate America because it's America, not because of American remakes. I support America and everything but I can't stand when people nit pick these issues. Ok, so people diss Americans for remaking movies which were superior to begin with. Leave it at that! You have your own opinion and they have theirs. You're both right (or wrong, which ever way you like, it's the same in the end) and this crap drives me nuts. You've taken a few good examples of movies made in America, what about the thousands of awful one's? Any country will make bad movies but for someone to say American films are better, they should really look at the entire shitload of films put out each year and how many truly shitty one's are released.

Americanization is an idiotic term to whoever made the word up. Just like those who love American films there are those who hate them. I love MANY American films and I love many foreign films. I just hate this patriotic stuff that eventually leads to argument (can anyone smell a debate?).

I'm not bashing America, I'm just saying that when you call yourselves the best your just fueling the fire and making the problem stronger. Just say "fuck it" when someone bashes American films, there's no point in being pissed off because frankly you think the same way about them, you said it in your post. You're just as prejudice as they are for bashing them. They are the one's at fault if you just leave it alone.

By the way, I'm not bashing anyone in my post, I'm just pointing out what the problems are with some of the wording people have used. I respect every opinion given and they are all valid points.

Matt

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by foxgate2000
I hate to say this, but I don't find any other country smarter than American's

Originally posted by Requiem-for-a-Dream
America is the smartest country in the world? Have you read any statistics sheets on the matter? I'm afraid you'll see much differently afterwords.

I don't think he meant that America has the most intelligent population in the world intrinsically, rather, that there isn't a country that is significantly more intelligent (as a whole) than America.

Classifying groups of humanity can be a bad thing, it's that very shit that makes us forget that we're all basically the same. Human is human, whether you are Brit, American, German, Japanese, Canadian, Latin, Scottish, or whatever. We all have the same potential for intelligence, love, hate, and kindness. I understand and respect different culture's entirely. We all have different ideas, different ways of communication, different thoughts and opinions, but, at the end of the day. we're still all in the same boat..

Originally posted by Requiem-for-a-Dream
I'm not bashing America, I'm just saying that when you call yourselves the best your just fueling the fire and making the problem stronger.

I don't think he was saying American is the best country. His entire point was that, when a foreign film is remade, people jump to such terms as ''Americanization'', and other such folderol, and immediately claiming the movie will suck; which offends him. It implies that something is wrong because the film is being made by Americans

However, on the flip side; Something Corpse touched on.

Hollywood is a machine, it's the largest film making industry in the world. It's got to be doing something right; it takes in hundreds of billions of dollars each year, and that's just domestically. I'm picking up the insinuation that, some foreigners, are angry that their film industries aren't very large; and that is mainly due to Hollywood's domination of film. So, when Hollywood goes to remake a foreign film, that compounds their annoyance.

Correct? Or am I entirely off in my observation? These are just my opinions and observations. I mean no harm at all.

Originally posted by Requiem-for-a-Dream
Ok, so people diss Americans for remaking movies which were superior to begin with. Leave it at that! You've taken a few good examples of movies made in America, what about the thousands of awful one's? Any country will make bad movies but for someone to say American films are better, they should really look at the entire shitload of films put out each year and how many truly shitty one's are released.

Superior to begin with? Can't agree with that. Films are far too often criticized and condemned before release; who is to say the remake won't be superior to the original? It can happen. Especially when considering the resources of Hollywood, which bring me to my next point.

My opinion, raw, unfettered, and unbiased: America has the best film industry in the world. I'm not trying to be egotistical; I'm no trying to be a jingoist; I'm not insulting foreign film at all, in any possible way; I'm not being overly ''Patriotic''; This is my opinion: Hollywood is the best, if for quantity and resource alone. As I stated earlier, Hollywood draws in roughly 300 billion a year, domestic alone. At least half or so of that goes into they films released annually, an absolutely massive amount. A lot of great films come out of Hollywood, as do a lot of bad; same with any foreign filmmakers. But Hollywood, by quantity and resource alone, stands tall. Look at this board, 99% of films we discuss are American made. Forgive a somewhat tacky note, but the ''Foreign Horror'' forum is practically unused, For a reason. The majority of us watch a lot of American horror; a lot of American film in general.

The way I see it is, if a film entertains me for it's running time, then it's a good film. Not every film has to be striking and powerful in my opinion. With that said, I'm not so cynical as to say that the majority of American films released are shit. Though I understand we all have different standards when judging film, and that reflects accordingly. If you think the majority of American film sucks, more power to you. I'm just stating myself here,

This is only my opinion, I can see where someone would not agree with my rationale about ''quantity and resource''. If so, that's fine. I certainly respect that, but I'll have to agree to disagree if you feel differently. As I said earlier, I'm not trying to be a jingoistic dick, I just feel Hollywood is the best for film. Disagreements are, as always, welcome and respected.

Originally posted by Jewbo
I have always had a fasination (sorry im a dumb brit and cant spell) with america and american culture. i have always wanted to go but its far 2 expensive (im 2 dumb to get a proper well paid job). u may not have ment to offend but im affraid u did.

I'm pretty certain that he wasn't generalizing British people as stupid, even in an offhand way. The only comment he made that could be construed as such was the British game show observation, which I feel he was using to illustrate his point that, the intelligence of your average American-British citizen is comparable; not vastly different.

Again, just my opinions. No offense intended. Any further input will be respected and valued.

[malaria]

Corpse Candle, you raised many good points.
The American film industry is like a load of vultures, ruthlessly closing in on anything that looks like it may contain dollar-signs. They want to turn any success from a foreign country into an American truimph. They constantly churn out remakes of every damn film that made any money in the first place and we go and see it out of curiousity or a will to "judge the film on it's own merits" and are almost always disappointed. I personally have never seen an American remake that betters it's foreign source material.
If Hollywood saw the film media as an art form like almost every other country they would put money into publicising the film in it's original form. The way it was originally intended. But they don't. They just keep getting rich off the back of other people's hard earned success.
So don't whine when we Brit's piss and moan about America stealing our beloved cult films like The Italian Job and attempting to make a fast buck without the need to even slightly stick their neck out.
And don't equate it to the Italians making unofficial low-budget zombie sequels. It's not the same thing and you know it.
And don't get so sensitive. America is a big place. I'm sure they can take a bit of ribbing.
It's just that I wonder at all the original talent America undoubtably has and why they rarely use it?

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by malaria
It's just that I wonder at all the original talent America undoubtably has and why they rarely use it?

Rarely? How many American films do you think have been released this year? How many were remakes?

10 maybe? Out of thousands? I think you guys are making a big deal out of something that just well ... isn't. The whole ''American remakes of foreign films thing'' I mean. My point is that it happens so rarely, it's hardly noticeable. The thing about Hollywood being a vulture I can somewhat agree with.

As for the zombie thing, I was just proposing a question, but sense the term ''stealing'' has been used frequently here, I feel the term is adequate. Those films are, imo, rip-offs of Romero's work, Marketing them in Italy as sequels to his films, is, imo, a far more blasphemous crime than filming a remake. It doesn't take away my enjoyment of them but that's another matter entirely.

Of course, everyone has their own perspective. I'm simply stating mine.

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

Jason, what I meant when I was saying "superior to begin with" were the people who were dissing American films, not my opinion on the films. The Ring remake was amazing and I highly doubt the original was better. But I felt Open Your Eyes was much better than Vanilla Sky. Some remakes are good some aren't as great, I wasn't speaking of myself when I wrote that.

I know we're all the same, that's my point. America puts itself on a pedestal when really we're no better than any other human being in the world (well, generally speaking of course, those fuckers who rape and kill their sisters for "honor" are messed up motherfuckers and we are MUCH better than those assholes).

I come from various parts of the world and respect all countries, it's just that the post read a bit too much like a bashing of other countries. If that wasn't intended I apologise for the misunderstanding.

And I don't take offense at all, I appreciate your opinions and they are very well written.

Matt

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by Requiem-for-a-Dream
Jason, what I meant when I was saying "superior to begin with" were the people who were dissing American films, not my opinion on the films. The Ring remake was amazing and I highly doubt the original was better. But I felt Open Your Eyes was much better than Vanilla Sky. Some remakes are good some aren't as great, I wasn't speaking of myself when I wrote that.

Damn, sorry about that man. I guess it's safe to say we agree that remakes can be better than their predecessors then eh? I understand your position and agree. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I come from various parts of the world and respect all countries, it's just that the post read a bit too much like a bashing of other countries. If that wasn't intended I apologise for the misunderstanding.

No harm, no foul :).

And I don't take offense at all, I appreciate your opinions and they are very well written.

Thank you. I feel the same way about your post.

Thanks for your imput.

Jason.

[Jewbo]

i still think that with his comment ". I made a comment before about "beating" a game and got this comment in reply: "I love it how americans say beating a game and we Brits say 'finish'." SHUT THE HELL UP!" he was directly attacking me 4 no reason wotso ever. im still pissed about that.

[Requiem-for-a-Dream]

Jason, it's all good, you're awesome in my book.

Jewbo, I can definetely see why you're upset, I would be too. I think he should explain himself a bit for the comment.

Matt

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by Requiem-for-a-Dream
Jason, it's all good, you're awesome in my book.

Jewbo, I can definetely see why you're upset, I would be too. I think he should explain himself a bit for the comment.

Matt

:D. As you are in mine.

I can't be sure, but I believe he thought you being sarcastic or making fun of the difference in slang Jewbo. I don't think you were, though as I said earlier, I can't know for certain.

I understand where you are coming from though Jewbo. I like to read or hear the difference in slang and expression, I get a kick out of it as I think you did as well. Maybe Fox'll show up and better explain what he meant.

[foxgate2000]

I've been hear, soaking in what all is being said.

First off, Jewbo, I owe you an apology. I took the comment you made entirely off hand, and I am sorry for that. To me it seemed like a snide remark. Again, I'm sorry.

Moving on, I couldn't have said it better myself, JV, thanks! You pretty much relayed my feelings right out there. I wasn't culture bashing in the slightest. And I definetly meant no ill will towards the Brits. I love alot that comes out of that country.

My whole point was that I notice ALOT of posts, and then some offline talk too, about remakes, and Hollywood in general, reflected in a negative light. I understand that Hollywood is only in it for the money (DUH!). But there are those of us who like to entertain. I don't hear hardly anyone bashing Tim Burton (and yes, I am NOT a Burton fan) for alot of the stuff he comes out which makes him as guilty as anyone else. Or David Lynch who makes movies just for the sake of being weird (I AM a Lynch fan, however).

I LOVE movies. I really do. And it bothers me to see this sterotyping and incessant slamming of Hollywood and American Film. If THE RING was never remade, I never would have known about the original version. I never knew about the original THE HAUNTING before the remake, hell, I never knew who William Castle was before HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL was remade. That's mostly due to my youth (22) and not getting alot of time to see older movies being to wrapped up in seeing newer ones.

The point is this: we are all basically the same humanity-wise. We have different tastes. Hollywood is a system made entirely for one purpose: To make money. So to say that Hollywood "Sold it's soul" or "doesn't have one" really is redundant. Inspiration comes from lots of places, and sometimes, unfortunately, appears to be a blatant rip-off of something. I, personally, would rather see a remake than something that ripped something else off. Or, God-forbid, yet more sequels that get continuly worse (no offense to Friday the 13th fans, but i just saw JASON X and can't comprehend how completely horrible it was...but never fear, I'm a Halloween fan and hated Resurrection as well. Jason X just gives me more hope to sell one of my scripts here soon).

I'm not telling anyone how to feel, or what to say, and I never would. Just, as many of you do, expressing my feelings on things. I don't want to sound redundant repeating everything JV said, so I won't.

Corpse, I never said it was mostly Brits dissing THE RING. I read over my posts and understand where you could see that, and unfortunately I used Brits alot as examples (SORRY!). It wasn't intended. I meant anyone, of any culture, country, or otherwise.

Requiem, i didn't mean to sound like America is the smartest country in the world. God knows it's not! I really screwed the pooch with that comment, huh? I meant that one country isn't any smarter than another, though certain indivduals might be. Maybe I was making a generalization about British people based on what I have encountered (and please note I said GENERALIZATION and not STEREOTYPED), but I never meant to sound prejudiced in any sense. I'm really not a bigot in any sense. I promise I'll try to pay closer attention to what I post so I can get my intentions across better. It's hard to when you're a little hot under the collar.

I appreciate everyone's opinions on this topic. I knew it would be a very debatable subject, and I am glad most of you are enjoying it.

Again, Jewbo, I apologize.

[Scully1888]

Okay, here's my opinion. Before I start I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to shout abuse at anyone here or say "you're wrong, I'm right". These are my opinions.

I'm Scottish and I really don't see the point in all these arguments about American culture, etc. It is reasonably obvious that the majority of Schmoes on this board are American so to start badmouthing Americans would be to fight a losing battle.

However, having been on this board for quite a while (and kept tracks on it while I've been "away"), I must say I haven't really seen many cases of "America VS UK", in any form.

Usually it's Americans saying they love the word "shite" and that's about it. It just seems that some people want a pointless fight about which country is better. I may be getting the wrong impression here, but it seems that, foxgate, in the first post in this thread you say you're sick of British people making fun of Americans, then you go on to do the same to Brits.

I don't know any other way you could take the phrase "I don't find any other country smarter than American's" to mean something else, especially when you then go on to talk about how you've seen American gameshows and UK gameshows and have realised that Americans are smarter. This is horrendously generalised. Have you ever watched "University Challenge"? This programme features the future of Britain (students) answering unbelievably hard questions on a number of topics. Simply put, I can't believe someone can compare the overall intelligence of whole countries by their representatives on Family Feud and its UK counterpart Family Fortunes.

It is very hypocritical to say you hate Brits saying that America sucks, then to combat this by doing the same back.

That's just my thoughts on the subject, now let's get back to horror.

Oh, and if we're speaking English here, then it's "Americanisation" and "Westernising". Sorry, couldn't resist. :)

[Jewbo]

apology accepted.

well put scully nice comment bout University Challenge.:)

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by Scully1888
Oh, and if we're speaking English here, then it's "Americanisation" and "Westernising". Sorry, couldn't resist. :)

Hmm. I ran it through spellcheck to confirm and it tells me that the z we have been using is correct... Damn tricky language.

[Scully1888]

Aye, you ran it through a US ENGLISH Spellchecker.

A UK English one would say the REAL spellings. :)

[Jason Voorhees]

Heh. Well, I'm in America, so I'll give the often neglected z some attention and continue with that :).

Jazon... ugh, don't like it :).

[Kaos]

Pleaze:D tell me that we aren't going to argue about who has the better language, 'cause if we are I'll have no choice but to... chuckle at how weird this thread has become. That having been said, I'm proud to say that I'm a mixture of Welsh, Scottish, German, English, Polish(no jokes or I'll have to get violent), and Irish. In other words I'm a mutt:D. So at the risk of sounding preachey(sp?), let's remember that the one thing we do have in common, is that we are all horror buffs(of course, I'm buffer than most[j/k!]), and that quite often it is us who are discriminated against by "serious" movie fans. So, let's kiss and make up, and get back to some gorey good stuff.

[Jewbo]

jason and scullt aint arguing. they love each other very much and are just playing :)

[foxgate2000]

Hey Scully, a fellow scotsman, how nice.

I'm just curious if you missed my last post. I tried to explain my intentions better. I'm not Brit bashing or doing anything US vs. UK. I apologize that most of my examples were using the UK. I never meant to start an argument here. It was all just something I noticed and it was sort of a pet peeve. And I wasn't basing anything on British gameshows. I was just amazed to find that for the most part they aren't any smarter than anyone else when for so long I thought they were. Sorry!

In the end, I was just expressing a pet peeve, and a discussion started with it, and I can't say I haven't enjoyed reading everyone's opinion, no matter what they may think of me personally...lol! I know what it is like to be the outcast, believe me, so I treat everyone fairly until I get to know them. And I never wish anyone ill will.

I don't dislike anyone on these boards. If anything, all of you have, in some way or another, furthered my knowledge of my prefered genre. I don't always agree with everyone (natch) but hey, would life be interesting if everyone were Lemmings? Outside of the A&F crowd, that is. I have seen alot of movies I enjoy (Cherry Falls, Session 9, etc.) that i probably never would have known existed if it wasn't for this board.

So have a beer on me! Or go ahead and have your frustrations out on me! I rarely take offense to anything on these boards since none of you know me personally. We're all friends of a sort, right?

And by the way, I'm an English major. It doesn't mean I'm right, God knows I make ALOT of mistakes, as my Fiance is quick to point out when I'm wrong, just a tidbit of info ;)

;)

[Corpse Candle]

Y'know there is no hidden agenda against the U.S here from what I have read no one has spat possion in the face of an Americain schmoe.
The one thing you do have to relise is that for me personaly I do not like hollywood yes you cannot deny that have made great films.
However when you grow a little older it is a surprise how jaded hollywood becomes the sparkle fades and decays.
That beckoning finger of promise from the stranger in the dark leads away from the entrance of glory and down the blackned allyway behind the glaring showbiz lights.
That's how I see hollywood they don't care who they step on or what they destroy to make money.
I find that pretty digusting I mean hollywood could be anywhere in the world but it isn't it's in hollywood.
It's THE darkside of America the skin of glitz and andriod perfect actress is oh so easily periced and underneth is swarming decay.
The point is You can't blame the American people for a corrupt hollywood but you can blame the phycoligy of the politics behind it.
I am by no means anti-captilist the make money break morals mantality drove hollywood to like a mad trian driver without any thought of stopping .
Britian addopted this attitude with THATCHER and the boom of the eighties the rich got richer and poor festerd in poverty.
The ninties brought huge resscion partly due to THATCHER.
When the dust settels it's the politics that I hate I have plenty of friends in the U.S and did camp America this summer.
The U.S the great but like every contry some aspects you will hate.
P.S:
FOXGATE I never taken any offense to what you said I only said something because a reason was needed behind my words I wanted to make myself transparent in my intentions.

[foxgate2000]

Hey Corpse, I'm with you on Hollywood's Politics and (lack of) morals. A corporation largly funded by drugs and organized crime and the decay of modern youth isn't exactly something you brag about. But none the less, the entertainment that does come out of Hollywood is what it's all about for me.

Unfortunatly, unlike you, I am cursed with the writer's, well, curse that allows me to put on paper feelings of all sorts and can easily describe what a character in one of my stories is feeling at any given moment...but for some reason can't express my own feelings so that others can understand them. It sucks, it's frustrating as all hell, and I love my fiance even more for being able to not only put up with me but wants to marry me despite it.

The whole point of my original comment wasn't a culture slam, not to make fun of anyone's opinions, and definetly not to piss anyone off. I was just curious as to why people seem to get up in arms over Hollywood remaking foreign films but never say anything about other countries remaking american films (it does happen). And why does everyone seem so down on movies such as THE RING being remade anyway? Most American's (sadly) won't watch subtitles or dubbing (as stated in CECIL B. DEMENTED, one of my favorite movies) and it isn't like the original writer and source materials aren't credited. Maybe it would have been easier if I just wrote that, huh? That's what I get for trying to make myself clear at 3:00 in the morning. SORRY EVERYONE FOR THE CONFUSION:)