(( Official )) The Two Towers Countdown Thread- Part 2

[JoBlo]

For various reasons, including the idea of allowing new people to feel more comfortable to join the discussions about the next part of the LOTR trilogy, and the fact that the first section of our OFFICIAL thread was getting very long, we've decided to open a PART 2 thread, in which you can all continue your convos.

For anyone interested, you can still access and note the discussions which took place in PART 1 of the OFFICIAL THE TWO TOWERS THREAD, here: http://www.joblo.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001153.html

[cutman]

Joblo, I wish you would go back to making the *Official Threads* with stars around them instead of parenthesis. The ((parenthesis)) just don't stick out as much as the three ***stars*** on the page, so the thread is harder to find.

Just my opinion.

[ak]

Following on from what was said in the last post of the previous The Two Towers discussion, I feel the trailer should be played infront of Attack Of The Clones, but I'm not sure how studios work, and if they'd rather have a New Line production trailer, infront of a NewLine film.
Attack Of The Clones is fantasy after all, and this would be a good audience for it (Even though it's a lot more serious than Star Wars, there's a vast majority of age groups who will see AOTC in theatres).

Also - Playing it infront of such a big film like AOTC will, probably, get the hype machine up some more.

Spoilers ahead....

Some more observations from the preview for The Two Towers: I don't know if many agree, but here's my opinion on what's happening where in the preview trailer:

There's a short scene where Frodo pulls out Sting. This is, more than likely, Frodo and Sam's first serious encounter with Gollum.

Saruman seems shocked when he runs to a ledge on Orthanc tower - This has to be the Ents attacking Isengard (I mentioned this in a previous post).

There's one or two shots in there of when Gandalf and co. meet King Theoden for the first time (Gandalf was allowed to take his staff through, much to the dismay of the guards, eh).

There's a small shot of Pippin and Merry, either looking on at the Orcs that are safe keeping them (Ugluk etc) or...They're looking on at Treebeard in shock. It's more than likely them looking on at the Orcs cause in the same trailer it's daylight that we see Pippin's first encounter with Treebeard...

There's a shot of the dead marshes, which, I think, will be a stunning part of the film.

Also - Can someone please tell me what's going on in that scene with Arwen lying on a bed, looking a bit ill. It was in the first FOTR trailer too.

P.S - I love the way Gandalf glows white in the Helm's Deep clip. Brilliant.

Also, slightly different from Tolkien's poem, but still as astounding when spoken by Bernard Hill...

Where is the horse and the rider?
Where is the horn that was blowing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain,
like a wind in the meadow;
The days come down in the West, behind the hills into shadow...


It's great to be able to pick up my book, and read that condensed text whilst listening to that bit in the trailer.

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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Actually, I highly doubt that the scene where Frodo pulls out Sting is where him and Sam first meet Gollum, because we see them when they first meet Gollum at the end of the trailer. Gollum crawling down the ledge and all. Frodo MIGHT have gotten up very quickly, stood up, and grabbed Sting, but im betting it is a different scene. It think your spot-on with the rest of the assumptions however. The Arwen thing though - I think thats from the third film when

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Arwen dies. But I might be wrong. Anyways, im hoping we get some new people in here, and im glad there is a link to the first part. Lets try and post a link to that at the beggining of each page, shall we??

[cutman]

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What are you talking about, Dumb-Fok? Arwen doesn't die...atleast until after Aragorn dies after serving as the king for the rest of his natural life.

Sam and Frodo are supposed to meet Gollum after ambushing him (when they see him coming down the cliff...and he falls)...I hope they don't change that part from the book.

I agree that Merry and Pippin are looking in astonishment at the Orcs...or maybe the entmoot? Or the Storming of Isenguard? They have a lot to be astonished by :-)

Well, that's all for now.

cutman

[Strider]

Well, I am very happy another Two Towers thread has been opened. I never bother to participate in the other thread because there were just too many responses.

Anyway, I agree 100% with ak, I think that's a good idea to have the Two Towers trailer in front of AOTC. But I don't think that's gonna happen. It's either going to hit the theaters attached to a Warners Bros. or New Line flick. And I'm guessing this is not going to happen until the summer movie season begins. So, I'm going with Insomnia or Austin Powers 3. But then again, I could be wrong. But I hope it happens soon, damn it! I haven't seen it yet! I was able to download it, but I can't play it!

Strider

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Thats what I was referring too, cutman. When she dies way after the story is over (some people think that the movie will end there, instead of with Sam). And im pretty sure this thread is gonna get jst as large as the last one, Strider, so if your scared of large threads, than you should get away quick. *insert winky-eye face right here*


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[The Other]

I'm just gonna cut in here...

I saw the THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING once. And I thought it was a good movie...some where around a 7/10 from me. I'm not sure I'll have to give it another go on DVD or something.

The ending left something to be desired since, well, there wasn't one. I know it's part of a TRILOGY and all. I just would have liked some sort of conclusion.

And that makes me wonder about THE TWO TOWERS, since it doesn't have an opening or a conclusion. It'll just start where the last one left off. That'll be a bit frustrating.

[Americana]

Finally!!!


Now I can Finally keep up with the Two Towers Discussion with having to reread every single post that went on in the last 22 Pages.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I imagine you`ll like the film better than you did the first time Other. Everyone did. Even myself. As for being able to participate Americana - you seriously could have done that before. Do you think that all 22 pages was devoted to the same discussion?? No, we talked about something different every couple of posts, and you very easily could have jumped in. Im all for the part 2, however - hopefully it will attract more people. If it doesnt, than I dont really see the point in opening a part 3 when this one gets up into the higher numbers.

[dh1989]

The TTT trailer will most likely premiere before STAR WARS because it is the most similar May movie. But If I were New Line I'd create a more dramatic and romantic trailer to premiere with ENOUGH toshowcase the film for woman. And finally have another summer trailer for Austin Powers.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt that they will make a TT trailer specifically aimed at woman. Shit, they dont need to. I think women took to the film more than alot of people were predicting. I think I have an idea why, but thats besides the point. And there will definately be a TT trailer before Austin Powers 3. At least, im pretty sure.

[Common Sense Man]

Whew! man I was freaking when I saw that the other thread had been closed I thought someone had gone insano!

But trust in Joblo to keep things right.

I agree that they do not need to target women any more than they already have, I would not find it bad if they did, but I think many women already have an interest.

In fact I took my wife to see FOTR again when the preview was added. It was only her 2nd time and she basically looks at me like I am insane when I sit down to enter my opinions here.

She has read the books but years and years ago so she really has no idea what is coming, he he!

But I was totally surprised when we left the theater after seeing the TT preview, she was pissed. She asked me if Aragorn was going to leave Arwen for Eowen. I didn't tell her exactly what was going to happen, and she vowed to go read the books again.

So that really surprised me, maybe PJ was smart to add Arwen into FOTR to amp up the love triangle aspect a bit.

And welcome all to the thread, and never fear just to jump in we don't mind rehashing old topics once and a while.

Out.............................

[TheRock]

My take on the Arwen scene where she's seen lying down is that it is from a vision she see's in Galadriel's mirror. There have been pics of Arwen and Galadriel together, so I'm betting Arwen(and maybe Elrond) go to Lothlorien. There, Arwen looks in the mirror and sees she will eventually die. Just a guess.

[jsa1971]

MESSAGE TO "THE OTHER".....

Guess what? The Empire Sreikes Back and The Phantom Menace also left viewers wondering why it did not end.....because there was going to be a sequel to it....But I don't think there were too many viewers left wondering for those movies.....You just have to admit it, you never read the books, and the ending to FOTR screwed your mind....So I don't give one damn about how you may not go see TTT......we do not care about you.....

[Sowen]

Hi everyone, I'm new to this thread and excited to join it.
I would have to agree with TheRock that the shot of Arwen in TTT is her seeing her death in the future. I never thought of that before, but it makes a lot of sense. Being someone who has read the book and seen the movie 16 times so far I can't wait for next December. The battle at Helm's Deep looks amazing. I can only imagine how intense it is going to be. I do have one ? about the trailer. There is a shot of Eowyn putting her hand on a man's cheek. Was that Aragorn, because I couldn't tell and I didn't think
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Sowen

[Common Sense Man]

Welcome to the boards Sowen,

I took another look at the preview as I was not sure what you where talking about.

But I do think it is Aragorn, but they purposefully hide the persons face but I am almost certain.

And I think you can throw out the book sequence of events for the next two movies. I am sure PJ will stick to the plot but we already know that some elements from TTT will be pushed back into ROTK.

And I am sure PJ will amp up the romantic triangle between Aragorn, Eowen and Arwen in TTT.

I must say even watching that crappy flashing preview it still gave me chills!

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[urbanlegend23]

AARR!!! MAKE THE SPOILER WARNINGS BIGGER!!

I JUST GOT THE 3RD MOVIE RUINED FOR ME!

Ok, stop the whinging. Hooray, there is a new thread.

I want to see more of Arwen in this movie. I want to see Liv Tyler stretch her acting muslces in this intriguing character. I want to see Treebeard.

Those are my demands and they must be met.

Out...

[jsa1971]

I think your wish is pj's command, urbanlegend23!!!!!!!!

[The Other]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jsa1971:
MESSAGE TO "THE OTHER".....

Guess what? The Empire Sreikes Back and The Phantom Menace also left viewers wondering why it did not end.....because there was going to be a sequel to it....But I don't think there were too many viewers left wondering for those movies.....You just have to admit it, you never read the books, and the ending to FOTR screwed your mind....So I don't give one damn about how you may not go see TTT......we do not care about you.....</font>

Well, that's a shitty thing to say. You're taking this way too personally. I was just stating my opinion and I never said I wasn't going to see THE TWO TOWERS. No need to get offensive.

[Common Sense Man]

Hey guys,

I think I will make a comment about spoiler messages.

I think all the people that have been posting in this thread from day one have pretty much given up using spoiler warnings as this thread is basically about spoilers!

But now that the thread has been split it is attracting more people that have not posted so I think we should get back into using spoiler warnings for major items.

And please put some space in between the spoiler warning and the acual spoiler, like this, (this is only an example)

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This is the spoiler message, it needs to have some space between it and the warning so you do not automatically read it.

Thanks, I think this will prevent some pissed off people.

But if you are really worried about learning too much you might need to stay out of this thread because we talk about it all!

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[cutman]

To "The Other,"

Don't worry about what that other guy said to you. He doesn't speak for all of us when he says "we," and I know he certainy wasn't speaking for me. I don't know why he wrote that message.

I just want to say this before the thread gets really long again. It seems to me that there are a bunch of new members at this forum who don't respect each other and Joblo's rules. This is the only forum I frequent on the internet because I like the mature atmosphere. I hope that this thread doesn't become polluted by these new members and take away from the discussion of the TT.

cutman

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Arwen dying is not a spoiler, because everyone dies. But all the same, people should use spoiler messages; at least for a while. Im sure after conversation picks up, it will be back to just the "old gang" again, but im hoping more people decide to post. I just hope that people at least read all the stuff we posted in the last thread - anyone interested in the movie would have missed out on alot if they hadnt. Oh well,....

[Clb2kgb28]

TheRock~ your idea sounds really good.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Ok, so we have all discussed (well, maybe not all) how TTT will end, but how do you think it will start. I was reading the MB`s over at TORc, and someone said that it should start with Boromirs boat floating down Anduin, and Faramir seeing it; while the credits, or whatever came on. Than on to Aragorn and Co. I think that would be an EXCELLENT way to start the film. Beautifully poetic. I think it is most likely to start with Aragorn however. Im sure it wont open with F&S, and im sure it wont open with M&P so that is really it. Unless they re-cap FotR which I would HATE. But than again, maybe they will open it with the story of Smeagol and Deagol. hmmmm,...so, how do you think it should open, and if you missed the conversation last time, how do you think it should end??

[media_man]

Hi guys. Great thread so far. I heard about a 10-minute 'trailer' on TT, and went to see FOTR for that reason, but was a little disappointed when I only got the 4-min. version. Any news on the extended one?

[ak]

It's quite a hard quetion to ask - How to start it off?

Put it this way: You can't just "open" an epic film such as this - It has to have some kind of impressionable opening, just like The Fellowship Of The Ring had.
Perhaps we could have a sweeping opening over The Great River , with Cate Blanchett's voice re-counting the story thus far, but this could be dangerously preachy and pompous.

I've just been thinking and thinking about this and it's hard to think what could be the first thing we see when the darkness fades out.
To create a cohesion, perhaps Jackson may opt for Blanchett's voice-over with a black screen (again), that fades to Aragorn and co.

Or perhaps simplicity is the key and Jackson will just go with the sound of hurrying feet (through tall blades of grass) whilst the screen is black - The text THE LORD OF THE RINGS appears, which then fades out to reveal Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli running, then stopping and over-looking a piece of outstanding scenery, saying something like "Merry and Pippin in the hands of the Orcs must be far ahead, but try we must to gain on them"...Or something not quite as clumsy as that...And as they run off THE TWO TOWERS comes onto the screen, and we fade into the Orcs marching, just like that shot in the preview.

Puzzling this conundrum is......



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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I have to say that I disagree with you on this one, ak. I think the film would benefit from opening on a more personal, low-key level. I really wouldnt like if we had to have ANOTHER intro from Galadriel (Unless it was done really well; though im sure it would be). I would just rather it opened on a smaller shot. .....I think im making sense, I guess.

[ak]

I think I might have edited my post after you posted that message Fokker, so see what you think of my theory in the latter part.

Also - I didn't much like the idea of Blanchett again, which I stated.

[media_man]

D-F. I'd like to see something really brutal, something that grabs you and pulls you in right in the first few minutes. Apart from the slight telling of the history of the ring, FOTR starts out with the hobbits, and a party...everyone has been saying how TT is a lot darker and action-packed (much like Empire is to the Star Wars trilogy), but can still be a stand alone film...make it different in that regard, and then just continue the natural threads. I think the audience has been overwhelmingly captivated, and is chomping at the bit for more..so give it to them...perhaps the Riders of Rohan on an orc hunt...complete slaughter!!

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Yeah, I replied before you edited your post. hehe Anyways, thought you guys (especailly you, ak) might like to see this. It is one mans rendition of Treebeard. I like it, but I prefer the way Jackson is taking it - more tree-like than human-like;

http://img-www.theonering.net/movie/images/char/char_treebeard.jpg


Another thing; it would be great if they opened the film like you said it, but with the line "and woe to them if we porve the swifter." or something like that (I dont remember the exact or full quote).

[ak]

While it may be getting slightly darker, it's not by a great degree.

The darkest issues in The Two Towers are as follows:

The increasing burden on Frodo with the ring "getting heavier" - Obviously means more than the weight. Deep issues here.

The ever increasing, impending doom from Sauron's armies. The tide of the enemy is getting larger.

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The hideous Gollum - He plays mind games with both Frodo and the audience.

Of course - There's the visual "darkness" ,but what I've pointed out, are, to me, the most dark aspects because they are deeply psychological.

Fokker - I've seen that image before, and quite liked it, but far preferred Alan Lee's rendering of the character. Thanks for posting it, it's nice to have a visual aid once in a while.

P.S - In your quote you say "porve the swifter"....What does porve mean?


Alan Lee's Treebeard

http://www.ryucom.ne.jp/users/fumi/jrrt/inhabit/img/Treebeard.jpg



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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

lol I meant "prove the swifter" Its a line from the beggining of TTT, in the chapter "The Departure of Boromir" Its a great line really. As for Alan Lees rendition - im glad they didnt use it. I couldnt really picture the Ents, but now that I have seen Jacksons version (albeit only momentarily, and just the face) I have to say that I like the tree approach, and I dont really have a problem with it looking to "fantasy-ish". Besides, they wont look silly when they are attacking

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[media_man]

I actually meant darker from Frodo's perspective...apart from all the action, the mental strain on Frodo gets to be overwhelming..he states in FOTR, "I will take the ring, though I do not know the way." This is more than just thephysical journey, obviously. He is after all only a hobbit, stout-hearted, yes, but a sheltered one as well. To me the most successful films have always been the phsychological ones, not necessarily the ones relying on cheap theatrics, and the latest high-tech explosives. Take 'Jaws' for example...brilliant, without showing us too much of the physical...imagination is so much more powerful.

[Common Sense Man]

Whoa Nelly things are heating up going to have to make sure to check back more often.

I think I remember that PJ said he would not do a prologe like he did in FOTR for TTT, can't remember where but I will try to find it.

Also you should remember this DF isn't the last edition of the FOTR DVD going to be without the Galadrial prologue, and with a opening with Bilbo reading his story.

So if each movie had an opening it would kind of defeat the purpose of it being all one movie, not three movies.

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I think that Boromir showing up in the boat would be a great open, as he is supposed to make it all the way back to his home city, damn those elven boats are good.

And we may have already seen the opening shot, the one where Aragorn picks up the leaf broach.

Then do a wide pan back as they start to run off following M&P.

We shall see.

http://www.lordoftherings.net/two_towers/images/photo3.jpg

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[ak]

You'll not believe the image I just found: THE STORMING OF ISENGARD!!!

The ents look spectacular. The harsh rain, the lightning, the root at the walls. Wow (http://img-www.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/3840.jpg)



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[Scorchlord]

I just KNEW that was gonna be something like that.

[herculeez]

Oh wow!
That's an excellent picture!
So sweet!
http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[media_man]

HA! And hey, is that Eowyn?

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Damn British humour. lol I saw that earlier, so I was expecting that. Almost posted something along the likes of it myself. Anyways, I think its time to get everyones opinion on the scene they are most looking forward to in TTT. Mine - easy; (although im not sure if they filmed it,....probably not) Mine is the part where Gollum leads F&S to the cross-roads, and Frodo sees the fallen statue with the crown and says "They cannot conquer forever!" I really hope they filmed that.

[Common Sense Man]

Hey all,

Well I went ahead and did it. I broke down the chinese television footage of the TT preview.

I know it is not complete but the images are much better than the crappy copy that is floating around right now.

Also I made some observations about Treebeard that are impossible to make unless you look at stills.

I also enlarged the images a bit and enhanced them a bit also, it is still not as good as I would like but it is better than nothing.

Come over to the Annex and take a look, I would love to get your comments on some of the issues I raised.

http://commonsenseman.netfirms.com/html/ttt_chinese.html

And I have a lot more faith in Treebeard now than I did before.

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[media_man]

CSM, I took a look at your stills, looks good. I think as far as Treebeard goes you're on track...I read a lot of concerns in the previous posts about the size of Treebeard, and while the decision may ahve been already made to make him more 'treelike', his size, at least following the narrative, is right on..."they found that they were looking at a most extraordinary face. It belonged to a large, man-like, almost troll-like figure, at least fourteen foot high, very sturdy..." I am indifferent to the inclusion of the elven bowmen at Helm's Deep as well. It think it just as likely that they would have been there, as not. Nice 'gif'...I like the idea about the opening shot with Aragorn picking up the brooch...it would tie in nicely with the ending of FOTR, and also draw similarities from the beginning of said film in relation to film work with no speech...I read earlier someone mentioned black screen with the sound of running through long grass as an opener. I could see this as well, but whatever is done I think everyone will agree it has to carry a lot of weight with it because it is an opener in what is essentially the middle of a story.

[dh1989]

I have been thinking about Dumb-Fokker-**'s question and I finally thought of what I am most looking forward to it TTT. Sure there are big scenes like Helm's Deep and the debut of Treebeard. But I was thinking about those magic little mometns that Tolkien filled LOTR with. The scene that I am very much looking forward too is the scene where the Riders of Rohan first find Gimli, Aragorn, and Legolas. The only piece of dialouge I can remember is where the rider goes face to face with Aragorn and says "I at first thought you your self were an Orc". I just remmeber thinking it was very thrilling and made me anticipate what was next for the trio very much. I think it could be an awesome film scene. And for the opening off TTT, I think it should be the Uruk-hai running with Merry and Pippin. I think it should start off with a bang and then go to the developing scene. Another great opening would be Frodo and Sam walking still and talking about the journey and what is to come.


P.S. Is anyone else suprised that no people with PHOTOSHOP have made a fan TTT poster?

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I must say, that is a really excellent site there, CSM. Love the Connelly page. lol Anyways, dhl; I love that scene in the book, but I had forgotten about it. I think it will be an amazing scene, as well. But most of all I am looking forward to the gay porn scene between F&S!!!!! Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

[Wzd]

From Empire On-Line:

The trailer to the second instalment in the Lord of The Rings trilogy made its way online last week but, amid the flickery, black and white images, it was a little hard to get into the spirit. Now an improved quality - but slightly smaller and prematurely cut-short - version has popped up and with the aid of a rudimentary magnifying glass you can now become one with what looks certain to the greatest cinemtaic event outside of Episode II.

http://www.starwars-forever.ch/herrderringe2.mov

[dh1989]

Today I saw LOTR: FOTR for the 17th time today and I appreciated the trailer much more this time. The first time I know that I had amazingly huge expectations and the coolest thing in the world would underwhelm me. When I saw it for the second time, I appreciated it much more this time. it is truly an amazing teaser. All of the shots are pretty cool. I can't wait for the enxt trailer. I hope it shows a bit more of Frodo and Samwise.

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dh1989:

P.S. Is anyone else suprised that no people with PHOTOSHOP have made a fan TTT poster?</font>

Don't worry, come the summer holidays I shall be making a few (One or two of my Fellowship posters are up at Theonering.net).
The problem at the moment is that images from The Two Towers are limited and aren't really "posterific". They'd look untidy on a poster, plus, the vast majority of them are on the net
so the quality decreases a LOT when you try to re-size them on Photoshop.

I've got a good idea under my belt for a poster.....keep them peeled!

P.S - Fokker, Common Sense Man - I'll be e-mailing you shortly with some interesting things i'm upto.....

[Scorchlord]

I guess I'm not worthy enough to e-mail, eh ak? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Woohoo! My 1000th post. I just had to do it here, on the One Thread to Rule Them All!

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Oh please let it be naked pictures ok "ack", oh please, oh please, oh please! Anyways, I hope you checked out CSM`s site, because he did a GREAT thing on Treebeard, and I am now fully confident in him. I never had noticed the mouth or moss before. Thanks CSM - your my hero.

p.s. e-mail Scorch too, so he doesnt keep crying like a baby.

[ak]

Scorchlord - Indeed I shall e-mail you when the time is right, sorry about that. Give me a few weeks, I'm tied up with a lot of college work at the moment.

And yes, I really like CSM's site. Very informative, and his bit on Treebeard was very good.

[BitchTits]

Okay, I know this has nothing to do with Two Towers, but rather, with Return of the King.

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At the end of Return of the King, after Gollum gets thrown into the fire with the ring on, I felt like the book started to drag on after that. The story was supposed to wrap up and come to an end, but it dragged on for another 5 chapters. And the sidestories that happened after that were pretty useless to the overall story IMO. The whole war against Saruman's new army and stuff. I felt like they should have just left him as a beggar in the wilderness, instead of forcing him to be killed off in the story. Also, can someone tell me what the Gray Havens is? I hope the third movie handles this in a way that people won't be walking out of the theatre 30 minutes before the movie is over.

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[cutman]

Common Sense Man,

Your site is awesome...especially the Treebeard section. Although I was never worried about Treebeard...like some of the people here...I still liked seeing how you outlined his features.

Keep up the good work.

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About the scene I'm most looking forward to...The Storming of Iseguard. Screw you Saruman...the Ents are gonna kick your ass!!!

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The Gray Havens is the place where the Elves (and Ringbearers travel out of Middle-Earth). As for dragging on - I dont agree. I dont think the film will include the Scouring, but I am hoping that it includes the rest of their journey home, the Gray Havens, and possibly an epilouge. I want the final shot of the film to be Legolas and Gimli sailing out of ME after the death of Kind Elessar.

[Common Sense Man]

Hey thanks all for the comments on the Annex, I will keep the info coming.

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I think PJ said that the scouring would not be in the movie as he did not want another story to be told after the climax of the destruction of the ring.

But I am sure he will include the Grey Havens and tie up all the loose ends and tell you what happens to all the characters.

I would not put it past him to add a final voice over by Galadriel at the end either.

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[Tuukka]

IT would be a good way to start the film with Faramir finding Boromir.

Another good choice would be to see a small back story on Gollum narrated by Galadriel.

[Scorchlord]

Woohoo! I got e-mail. now I can stop crying like a baby, but only if Fokker gives me my pacifier back. Give it back, you Ohio bastard!

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Take the pacifier you little baby. Anyways, look here to read an article from USA Today, with Miranda Otto (aka, Eowyn). There is a slight spoiler in the article however, so dont read if you dont want one of the more powerful parts of RotK ruined (well, not ruined) But if you dont care, have read the book, or think you wont remember - go ahead an take a look.

[ak]

Pacifier? What's that?


One thing I know Jackson would have made far more dramatic is - SPOILERS...

...The climax on Mount Doom. When I read that part in the book I just felt "oh, is that it?", instead of the powerful piece I thought it should be.
In the book, Gollum dances around wildely, after biting the ring from Frodo's finger and just falls in screaming "my perciousss". Jackson will probably put some kind of really dramatic struggle in there between Frodo, Sam and Gollum, perhaps even Frodo and Gollum somehow dangling over the fires, trying to pull themselves up, leading to Gollum's demise.
I'm just suggesting possibilities here, but it should definately be more dramatic and emotional.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I found that the use of tranquility in that scene made it more dramatic than a big struggle over the Ring, but the book and the film are two different beasts. I think Frodo will fall, and Sam will grab his hand, much as Frodo saved Sam in the lake. Just my thoughts.

[BitchTits]

BTW, am I the only one who's dissapointed that Sam's battle with Shelob is taken out of TT and put in the beginning of Return of the King? To me that takes away the only chance for a climax out of the story. I know, FOTR didn't really have a climax, but still.

[Scorchlord]

ak, re: pacifier. The thing in Maggie's mouth here:

http://www.thesimpsons.com/bios/images/bios_family_maggie.gif

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
I found that the use of tranquility in that scene made it more dramatic than a big struggle over the Ring, but the book and the film are two different beasts. I think Frodo will fall, and Sam will grab his hand, much as Frodo saved Sam in the lake. Just my thoughts.</font>

Good idea. Just like the focus in the scene where Frodo saves Sam from the river, there was a concentration on the hands - Grabbing life. Perhaps this would be a good theme to bring into the Mount Doom situation.


P.S - Even though we've had this conversation before, I'm really glad they moved Shelob to The Return Of The King. It'll just fit in better. Frodo and Sam had little to do otherwise, in all honesty.

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[Clb2kgb28]

I think that moving Shelob will give sam and frodo more to do in Return of the King, but i think it would have made the best cliffhanger if it was done like in the book

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[ak]

All I can say is - Jackson must be pretty confident with the ending he has to move it.

[BitchTits]

What this means is that Two Towers will have an even weaker ending than FOTR.

[Tuukka]

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I'm pretty sure that the climax at Mt. Doom is pumped up a bit.

Frodo puts the ring on, Gollum attacks him, the ring is removed and they both fall down from the edge. There is some rock structure that Frodo can grab while they are falling. Gollum grabs Frodo and they are both swinging in air. The ring drops on a rock a bit lower. Sam goes to help Frodo and grabs his hand. At the same time Frodo grabs Gollum's hand, because he doesn't want Gollum to die. But Gollum sees the ring and tries to reach it. The ring is a bit too far from him and it's slowly gliding down the surface of the rock, moving closer to the edge. Frodo has regained his sanity and he tells Gollum to leave the ring, it should fall to the fires of Mt. Doom. But Gollum is too eager to get back his precious one. He swings and jumps to the rock, raises the ring to his hand. Under Gollum's weight the rock collapses and he falls to the fires with the ring. Sam grabs Frodo back to safety.

Anyway, that's how I would do it. That kind of scene would be more dramatic and action-oriented, and it would also flesh out the characters and their relationships to each other and the ring. Sam tries to save Frodo, Frodo tries to save Gollum and Gollum tries to save the ring.

I also think it would be great to see an almost similar shot to the one where Frodo saves Sam in FOTR. Their hands grabbing each other. In fact I'm betting we WILL see it, PJ is clearly going to draw lot's of parallels between the three films.

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[Kami]

I haven't read this thread at all for fear of reading spoilers, so I just wanted to say that there are 251 days until The Two Towers. I have a printed out year calendar with the numbers written backwards all the way back to the beginning of March. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Common Sense Man]

Hey bitchtits! welcome to the thread.

Let me make a quick comment about the lack of climax at the end of FOTR and possibly TTT, these movies are part of a whole, and can be seen as one movie not three, as the book was originally intended to be, one complete novel.

And the series was planned as a trilogy from the start, so that may have effected PJ's thinking, they are not stand alone movies.

He is not making one in hopes it hits big and then the studio decides to go back and make another.

They are not serials like in the old days when each ended on a cliff hanger to get you back for next week.

I think we will have to wait until the entire thing is done and you can watch it all from start to finish, then there will be no need for a climax at the end of each movie, but simply where the story calls for it.

But I can understand why people do not like it as they are used to the big finish from Hollywood movies, or more likely the two or three big finishes.

But I would have been upset if PJ would have manufactured a climax just because that is expected.

I think it was perfect the way it was, you do not know what is going to happen to everyone, just like in real life things are not resolved in nice little bundles.

And if you view the movie in that light I am not upset that he moved Shelob. I am upset that I have to wait another year and a half to see her but that will just give them time to make it awesome.

And Tukka I do agree that the ending will be pumped up a bit but I hate to say it but your ending sounds exactly like the one from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, when they are going for the Grail.

But yes I can see cliffs and people hanging from them, or maybe doing a little speed racer and the pinapple volcano race action leaping from rock pinnacle to rock pinnacle while the entire time being surrounded by lava or fire. (that was my favorite episode by the way).

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[Stripes]

ScorchLord...I resent you calling Focker a Ohio Bastard. I am from Ohio and for some reason us Ohioans Have a bad reputation. Me and my Gramaunt and Gramuncle talk about this all the time. We just can't figure out what the deal is. Oh well maybe I should ask my wifster she might know.

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[Scorchlord]

LOL

I only do it out of neighborly friendliness.

[Scorchlord]

ak, here's something you might be interested in:

http://www.theonering.net/theonering/contests/040902_towercontest.html

[Movie Hunter]

Can anyone Recommand a Good Photo programme..

P.S:i think i want to enter the contest http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[ak]

Scorchlord - I'd love to enter that competition, but my college work just doesn't permit me to at the moment.

Nevermind, I'll make a teaser poser especially for you lot once the summer holidays come. I've got a few projects I've got to do then, which have been burning for a long time, so watch this space for a teaser poster....It'll be a good'un.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Tukkaa, im not trying to be rude, but I really didnt like that scene you played out there. Much to melodramatic, and overplayed.

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I think Sam will run in yelling for Frodo, he will see Frodo, and Frodo will recite THE lines (the ones they saw at Cannes - the bastards) and than we will see a scene of the battle at the Morannon, and the Nazgul will fly (we`ll probably see the eye somewhere in there, as well) and than it will go back to Sam - he will see Frodo and Gollum fighting, and biting off Frodos finger, and falling in. The ground shakes, and the ledge where Frodo is standing crumbles; he hangs on and Sam grabs his hand and they run out as flames jump, and rocks fall. Than we`ll see some more of the Morannon, and Bara-dur. Thats what I think anyways.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Here is a short article from TORn about Gollum; aka Andy Serkis. One question however - make-up?? I thought Gollum was gonna be 100% CGI - or maybe im just dumb, and read it wrong. Oh well, either way.

[ak]

Fokker - I just read a similar article where Serkis' wife (a famous actress here in the U.K) said they would fit him up in the whole make-up garb everyday for the shoot.
Now, this probably means that they had a situation like Jar Jar in Episode I where Ahmed Best was dressed up as said character for the animators and Lucas to get a great indication of his movements, and for the cast to get something to react to.
The lighting and shadow and texture on the skin would be a great indicator for the CGI Jar Jar and CGI Gollum.
Perhaps they'll use him in the make-up for some shots too, as pure CGI isn't really necessary all of the time.




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[Puck Bond]

Ahhh TTT thread is still going strong I see...I feel so ashamed...I haven't seen TTT trailor yet! I should be shot I know! Still haven't finished The book either. Im not far from the end though...I'm at the chapter "Journey to the Crossroads". I've been reading everyone's posts etc. and wanted to chime in on what is the scene I am most anticipating in TTT...

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Yeah I can't wait for Helm's Deep etc. but for me. It comes down to the hobbits...Sam, Merry and Pippin especially...I look for a lot more character development with these three. I really enjoy Sam's character in TTT so far especially when he stands up to Faramir after there is that small tangle with some Orcs in Mordor. There is a great scene where Faramir's men are sitting in a circle or semi-circle not sure and he has his arms on his hips and is talking to Faramir. Plus there is Sam's constant problems, confrentations and suspicions with Gollum. Sam really comes into his own in this book and I haven't even got to the Shelob part yet!

As for Merry and Pippin....they go through quite a bit in TTT but my favorite part involving them is after the Storming of Isengard and they are just lying by and guarding the gates(as told to do so by Treebeard) all full after eating and smoking and then Gandalf and co. ride up. There is that great exchange between them and Gimli etc. It came off quite amusing especially after all the pursuing and chasing Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli had been doing.

Though that scene is amusing i would like Merry and Pippin to lose some of that playfulness they have...I probably won't have to worry since they were captured by orcs etc.

[Tuukka]

I had a feeling that people wouldn't warm up to my take on the climax... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Anyway, I think that PJ's version will surprisingly close to mine. First of all it will be the climax to a nine hour story, so it has to be very tense and it has to feel climatic. So expect it to be as overblown, melodramatic and sentimental as possible (After all FOTR had plenty of moments like that). I'm sure there will be reactions from Sauron and Gandalf when Frodo puts the ring on, but after that there has to be a memorable suspense sequence to give the audience a good pay-off. Gollum taking the ring, dancing and falling to the lavapit is not enough. Also, Gollum is away from the story for about 90 minutes before the climax. I think he is given a lot more time in his final scene, because he is such an important character.

So the scene is likely to be extended a lot and it will have more character interaction between Frodo, Sam and Gollum. I has to be more suspensful and overblown than it was in the book. Yet it can't be an action sequence because it couldn't compete with Moria, Helm's Deep, The final battle in front of Barad-Dur, etc... It has to be more powerful than any previous scene in the films, and it can't reach it with action. That's why PJ is going to make the scene very melodramatic and tense, with extreme emotions going through all the three characters. Also, he has to express this visually instead of a chunk of dialogue.

I'm pretty sure Sam will save Frodo and Gollum will die because of his greediness to the ring. But he won't die like he dies in the book, dancing and falling off from a cliff.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Jackson has a big enough climax with Mount Doom crumbling, the battle of the Morannon, and the chase of the Nazgul and the Eagles, and the towers crumbling, and ect. I think he will realize that the best way to make the scene effective, is quietly. Dont have Frodo scream the words, have him whisper them strongly. Dont have a huge fight, have a struggle, and a fall, followed by a quick save, and than a short conversation. Im positive Jackson wont stray too far with that scene - us fans would kill him. lol

[media_man]

TUUKKA, totally agree with you--

"... It has to be more powerful than any previous scene in the films, and it can't reach it with action. That's why PJ is going to make the scene very melodramatic and tense, with extreme emotions going through all the three characters. Also, he has to express this visually instead of a chunk of dialogue."

I stated a little earlier that the psycho- effects should be seen a little more concerning the hobbits' journey, especially Frodo's. I think if this is pulled off well, TTT will be a mind-blower...

[ak]

I also agree with Tuukka's theories on how the climax will, erm, reach a climax.

It is definately going to be far more dramatic than in the book no matter how much we argue about it. We can, or course, argue how it's going to be done, but the melodrama and tense atmosphere will definately be upped.

[media_man]

ROTK SPOILER...

How do you think GHAN-BURI-GHAN and his wild men will be portrayed in the film, or do you even think they will be in it?...for some reason, every time I read this book, I see Australian aboriginees running around killing the gorgun...

[jsa1971]

I wonder why PJ and friends never made a big marketing push for LOTR figures and toys, ALA STAR WARS. It helped make GL into the billionaire he is today.

[ak]

Seeing how Alan Lee is one of the conceptual artists on the film, I really do hope they keep to his design of Gollum. Judging by what we've seen thus far, it pretty much looks like they have.

This is an image I scanned from my LOTR book of Lee's Gollum...

http://mysite.freeserve.com/fantasy_images/Gollumimage.1.jpg?0.7658254927438474

[BitchTits]

BTW, I know how TT is part 2 in a trilogy and yada yada yada. Sad thing is, movies are in a whole different ballpark than books. Books don't need climaxes, movies do.

And I know PJ is trying to stay faithful to the fans, but you have to acknowledge the fact that a large portion of the general audience viewing the LOTR films are going to be people who have never read the books.

Oh yea, I just downloaded the TT trailer off of Kazaa, and yes, the quality is shitty, but it certainly beats paying $7 to see a film I've already seen twice.

Also, in TT, there should be a sex scene between Gimli and Gollum. Now that would rock.

[Horror whore]

I have a question.... Was Gollum a human before he....um.... Gollum-ed? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif Or was he some other creature?

[ak]

It's been a while but here goes: Gollum was a Hobbit named Smeagol who killed his cousin (I think) for the ring which he found at the bottom of a river. I think Smeagol wanted it as his birthday present or something along those lines.

Gradually the ring corrupted him further and turned him into the slithering and evil creature you see above...

It's been a while since I read Fellowship so if i'm wrong on any point, or missed any points please, update...

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[Puck Bond]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Horror whore:
I have a question.... Was Gollum a human before he....um.... Gollum-ed? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif Or was he some other creature?</font>

From what I understand Gollum was much like a hobbit before he "Gollum-ed" known as Smeagol. After he got the ring and held on to it for so long while hiding in caves under mountains etc it corrupted him and turned him into the sly, slithering creature you now know as Gollum.

The experts can clarify that for me.

[ak]

Puck Bond - It seems you read my post, but didn't all at the same time http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Horror whore]

Oh, I see... I am reading FotR right now and I swear I read he was a hobbit. But a girl at school told me she never knew he was human and then I was wonderin.... Anyways, I never did know why a human looking hand pulled the ring out of the water in the movie...

[Puck Bond]

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Puck Bond - It seems you read my post, but didn't all at the same time http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif</font>

Yeah ak...you beat me to the punch...I had trouble posting my answer so I had to re-type it again...but I didn't see your post until after I finally posted mine...pretty similar to yours I would say except I excluded the stuff about Smeagol killing his cousin Deagol on his birthday...which I knew but didn't bother to add.

[Movie Hunter]

there is also something that i have To say that GOLLUM was.....A hobbit LIKE...... NOT a hobbit...B4 he became gollum.

[ak]

Whilst searching through Theonering.net's picture archives, I found this image of Sauron's costume from an L.A exhibition. I would post it up, but it's a bit big.

Sauron's great armour costume (http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/3804)

[Scorchlord]

Wow! THat's what I need for Halloween.

[Common Sense Man]

Hey,

Just to lay this to rest, Gollum was an ancestor to the Hobbit, he was akin to the fathers of the fathers of the Stoor according to Gandalf.

If you remember there where I think three seperate races of Hobbits way back when.

And in Tolkien's letters he corrects the people who challenge him and say Smeagol was not of Hobbit ancestory.

And yes he did steal the ring and murder his friend, then he stayed in his village and started to eaves drop and steal and eventually murder until they ran him out.

Then he eventually ended up under the mountains as he came to hate the sun and eventually even the moon.

Hope that helps.

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[Common Sense Man]

Yo People! get off your duffs and come over to the Annex and check out ak's Two Towers movie poster.

http://commonsenseman.netfirms.com/html/fan_art.html

I expect to add my own soon as I cannot be outdone by ak!

If you wish to have your art displayed please feel free to e-mail it to me.

And it can be for any movie, but please movie related stuff only.

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[ak]

Thanks for putting it up, much obliged.

Is it me, or is it a little dark when placed up on the site like that? I can't see Gollum's right eye, although it was visible when I created the image.

I'll be making some detailed ones come the summer, that poster, literally, only took me five minutes.
There's not enough decent "poster images" around for The Two Towers yet, so I'll wait until then.

P.S - I must state that the images used, such as the picture of Gollum and the Two Towers logo are off of the internet, so the quality would naturally decline when I re-size them in Photoshop.



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[Movie Hunter]

Ak , i have a question..

what programmes did u use to capture Stills and Do this Stuff , It will be really Great if u tell me http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[ak]

Golly....that was quick. I just edited my message and you post back. As I stated in my edited message, I use Photoshop - The absolute best.
I'm a graphic design student, and it really is a vital tool. (That poster was very easy to make on Photoshop, but for more complex posters you go into masking, and texture graining and light adjusting, overlays, layer effects and all sorts...)

I try to stay away from using "effects" on photoshop, cause they tend to look really tacky if used in the wrong context. That's why so many pieces of fan art just don't work. Simple but effective is the key phrase to remember. Don't be fancy.



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[Movie Hunter]

Thanks Man...

Yeah i posted Really Quick Coz I really wanna get in Desgining posters..

[dh1989]

GREAT WORK ak!!! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif I tried to make one with a few shots screenshots from the TTT teaser and the few New Line released images. It had the logo up top and below the logo I had a huge shot of Frodo being captured. Then I listed the whole tiny list of cast and crew. Finally, at the bottom I had a shot of the trio(Legolas, Aragorn, and Gimli) running into the sunset. Another one I did had the logo and shots of Frodo and Sam walking(I got these from FOTR). And blow there feet it had Gollums eyes. And it read "Evil will Guide them to Adventure, Christmas 2002". They both were blurry and looked cut together. Well I tried. Now they only exsist in the crack of doom(Recycle Bin).

[Common Sense Man]

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Thanks for putting it up, much obliged.

Is it me, or is it a little dark when placed up on the site like that? I can't see Gollum's right eye, although it was visible when I created the image.</font>

Hmmm yes I can see that one eye is a bit dark. I did not do any modification to it except shrink the physical size a bit to fit on my page, but if you click on the image you get the full version.

I will check it out on photoshop and see what it looks like.

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Yes if you want to manipulate images you need the mother of all graphics programs.

Photoshop!

I will get to work on a version of my own this week. Hopefully.

And if anyone else has any they wish to send it go for it.

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[Movie Hunter]

i love Your site man... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

i am Working at a TTT Poster now , when i finish it CAN i send it To you ??

[Common Sense Man]

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i love Your site man... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

i am Working at a TTT Poster now , when i finish it CAN i send it To you ??</font>

Of course my brotha!

Send it along I will post any movie related poster, and if it is LOTR related so much the better!

And who knows maybe you will get discovered! but if you do I want a percentage! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Hey guys, thought you might like to see these;

An article from TORn about the upcoming films. I have never seen that pic of the Wild Men.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,5-2002170444,00.html

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three LOTR movies at the Armageddon expo(www.pulpexpo.com) this weekend (April 12-14th) in Auckland's Aotea centre. The footage looked incredible.

They also had a 7ft statue of 'Lurtz' which looked amazing as well. All this was at a 'Weta' stand within the Expo.

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Thats from TORn as well, and if anyone finds descriptions of the footage - you know what to do.

[media_man]

Those are some sweet shots, Dumb-Fokker, especially the one of Wormtongue. You can really see the emotions running through his weasal-like face...awesome. Yeah, the shot of the Wild Men is interesting, but have you heard anything about Ghan-buri-Ghan?

[Scorchlord]

Nothing at all. He's in Return of the King, after all.

Not only that, I would be surprised if he's even in there. Strikes me as a Tom Bombadil character.

[media_man]

Yeah, I gues that's true in a way, but he was extremely instrumental in the defence of Gondor...you do have a point, though. It kind of goes with leaving out Radagast the Brown, which at first was upsetting, but after looking at the scope of the world and the amount of characters, makes sense to exclude.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Actually, im pretty sure they had someone cast as Ghan-Buri Gan. Not exactly sure though. Maybe im just retarded.

[Common Sense Man]

Yo!

Hey well thanks to ak I have to fan art bug! Damn you, damn you to hell!

So I have made my first ever movie poster, and yes it is for TTT, so come drop on over to the Annex and take a peek.

http://commonsenseman.netfirms.com/html/fan_art.html

And let me know if you can see both of Gollums eyes on ak's poster, I think it depends on your browser because I can see both eyes at home but at work I could only see one, very interesting.

So ak I left your image as is for now if people start telling me they cannot see both eyes I will lighten it up a bit.

And yes Radagast would have been cool, Bombadil even cooler but some cuts had to be made somewhere.

And DF great photos, I may have to start gathering them all together for a gallery of my own.

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[Scorchlord]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ghan-buri-ghan was cut from the theatrical release then, but wound up on DVD.

[dh1989]

CSM, I was thinking they might do something like that, but with more characters. I imagined Gandalf in the middle. Then Gimli, Legolas, and Aragorn on one side. On the other you get Frodo and Sam. And on top there will be the eyes of Gollum. And below the cast and crew, it could have a sweeping Helm's Deep photo. But I love yours. It would make an awesome teaser photo. Wouldnt it be cool if New Line held a poster contest similar to RESIDENT EVIL.

[Common Sense Man]

Thanks dh1989.

And I just posted another contribution by Movie Hunter so if you want to check that out come on by the Annex.

http://commonsenseman.netfirms.com/html/fan_art.html

I also wanted to mention a site that has pics from every movie, though not a lot for ROTK, but quite a few from TTT.

You may know about this site already but here it is anyway.

http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/home/index.htm

They have some very good pics and they have some different angled shots from FOTR so maybe those are hints of what will be included on the final DVD release.

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[Movie Hunter]

Thanks CSM for posting my Picture .. I hope that u like IT guys http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif...

[dh1989]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Movie Hunter:
Thanks CSM for posting my Picture .. I hope that u like IT guys http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif...</font>


I liked it a lot. It would make an aweosme banner to han gin the theatres. it would let Non-Tolkien readers know that TTT features a battle and it is a nice showcase of Gandalf the White.

A+

[Muha]

one quick question...


you guys use adobe photoshop to make those pics? and if so is it easy to use?

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:
one quick question...


you guys use adobe photoshop to make those pics? and if so is it easy to use?</font>

Well I know I can speak for myself and ak when I say yes we are using Photshop.

Now about your other question, that is a bit more difficult.

If you have no experience useing any kind of graphics program Photoshop will be extremely difficult to deal with at the start.

If you have a bit of graphics experience it may be a little easier.

If you know what the following terms are you may find it fairly simple.

Layers,
Channels,
Masks,
Alpha Channels,
Styles,

Photoshop is the best no doubt but being the best it takes a while to learn to use it to it's full potential.

Sure you can open a picture and apply a fiter but what I did on my site, was simple but it utilized more advanced techiques such as layers, masks, transperancies, filters, varying opacity levels, and on and on.

Do not let it stop you from using or trying to use it. I tought myself, but for years I was to intimidated to use it.

There are many good tutorials on the net pick one go step by step, then do it again and again and eventually you will begin to pick up the needed techniques.

Good Luck,

If you have any specific questions you can e-mail me so we can keep it off the board.

Out.......................


[This message has been edited by Common Sense Man (edited 04-15-2002).]

[Movie Hunter]

Yeah i also used Adobe Photoshop To do this Picture... I find it easy :\

[Common Sense Man]

Well I'm at it again, made another poster for TTT, damn you ak!

Come over and check it out.

http://commonsenseman.netfirms.com/html/fan_art.html

Out.....................

[airedog1]

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[airedog1]

hey Common Sense...liked your reasoned replies......as far as spoilers go it seems that FOTR and the whole trilogy is far less vulnerable since the plot is essentially known (or available) to anyone who wants to read it. My 10 year old started reading FOTR (she is very bright and loved the Hobbit). She called me and asked me long distance about the book and what is was about! I told her it was a book with two parallel stories, both involving the struggle betwen good and evil. The first story is the story of Frodo and his band, and the struggle is the battle of personal shortcomings, worries, doubts and flaws. The second story is the struggle of the mighty forces of Sauron(evil) and the great armies of good (elves, men, dwarves) that fight them. The I told her to watch the reversal of importance of the groups and charactres as the books move on... Frodo becomes the Ringbearer and key to the outcome while the great armies become pawns against the backdrop of the actions of the few and frightened members of the Fellowship. (Showing the power of anyone determined to do the best)

Can you add, argue or help a little girl and me with her grasp of the trilogy?


P.S. I hope they show a version of FOTR at the same coordinated time as TTT. I'd love it to be a big screen experience all over, even if there was a day or hour break between.

[Zed]

I think the best advise you can give, is "Just read it and enjoy it", at least the first time.

Today kids are far more smartest than we, then possibly, after her first readinding she will be ready to argue with you!!!!

[Common Sense Man]

airedog1,

Welcome to the boards and sorry it took me so long to reply. My internet connection was down for 3 days! My God that was like having a limb amputated!

Yes I am strange but others on this board will know what I mean.

I think you did a great job of explaining the basics of the series.

But she may not enjoy LOTR as much as The Hobbit as The Hobbit was originally written as more of a childrens book.

And I really noticed when I recently reread it how the narrative is very different than the way he (Tolkien) approaches the story in LOTR.

So you may need to discuss it with her a bit as she reads it as some things she may simply not have the life experience to grasp yet, no matter how smart she is.

And I have to say I am not so sure that kids these days are so smart. I know some are sharp as tacks but some of the ones I have seen, whew! idiots!

And yes it would be great to be able to see FOTR again right before TTT but I doubt it will happen.

Maybe after they all are released some ambitious theater owner will show all three back to back, with intermissions of course.

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Oh and Movie Hunter your new contributions to the Annex will be up tonight as my connection is back!

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And we have not had a pic in a bit so here is one.

http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots/saruman_staff.jpg

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[cocoa0319]

I think that kids can appreciate these books as much as adults. Sure we might not have experienced as much, but who has experienced stuff like being chased by the Nazgul? My little brother(11) and I(16) love this trilogy. We've been to see the movie 8 times and our parents think we are nuts. It may not be targeted at kids, but I assure you that there are some kids out there who are "smart" enough to appreciate some good literature when they find it. Go LOTR!!

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cocoa0319:
I think that kids can appreciate these books as much as adults. Sure we might not have experienced as much, but who has experienced stuff like being chased by the Nazgul? My little brother(11) and I(16) love this trilogy. We've been to see the movie 8 times and our parents think we are nuts. It may not be targeted at kids, but I assure you that there are some kids out there who are "smart" enough to appreciate some good literature when they find it. Go LOTR!!</font>

Hey cocoa

Welcome to the boards and no I did not mean that LOTR could not be understood or appreciated by young men and women, but I am sure you know someone your age that is an idiot, they come in all ages.

And indeed GO LOTR!

On a seperate note Movie Hunter has sent in two more posters so come over to the annex and check them out.

http://commonsenseman.netfirms.com/html/fan_art.html

See you around the boards.

Out...................

[dh1989]

I was looking at the ART BY US! section over at CSM's site and I was shocked to learn that TTT is directed by John Woo and stars Nicholas Cage and Christian Slater. Whoa what a suprise. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dh1989:
I was looking at the ART BY US! section over at CSM's site and I was shocked to learn that TTT is directed by John Woo and stars Nicholas Cage and Christian Slater. Whoa what a suprise. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif</font>


You didn't know that! come on that is common knowledge.

Wow you must have used your magnifying glasses to see that one. I simply cut and pasted the credits from windwalkers as it had a black background.

And I think ole Movie Hunter did a cut and paste of my poster when he made his.

You are good.

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[Movie Hunter]

OOPS .. yes i copied the credits From CSM. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

And thanks CSM for posting my Pics..

Anyway man , i have a picture that i want to post here , its from my hardisk (NOT FROM THE NET)...what must i DO ??

[jsa1971]

Seems not much is happening on this board lately...........All I know is that about a week ago, FOTR left the theater I saw it in 12 or 13 times.

[Movie Hunter]

Is Legall Trailer ONLINE NOW .. or not ??

[Common Sense Man]

Hey this is a test to see if I am back on yet or not, I was deleted again by that damn bug in the system!

But nothing can keep me down!

And I do not think the TT preview is on-line yet or you would be seeing it everywhere.

But I will check it out.

Out.................

[This message has been edited by Common Sense Man (edited 04-23-2002).]

[Scorchlord]

Word has it the preview won't EVER be online, because PJ intends to release an official teaser/trailer sometime.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, I knew that there was going to be alot of new scenes, and on top of the ones we already posted in the first thread, there are these as well;

http://www.play.com/Play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=101938

http://www.shef.ac.uk/~cm1jwb/lotrdvd.htm

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, for being a "geek" movie, it surely has had a larger appeal than most expected. In fact, it is leading the nominations for the Mtv Movie Awards.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/eo/20020424/en_movies_eo/_quot_rings_quot__lords_over_mtv_movie_nods

[ak]

I've not posted here in a while. This is mainly due to the slump in interest for the film at the moment.
That's the vibe I've been getting anyways.

Not to worry, once the first trailer is released the ball will start rolling again, and we'll all have plenty to discuss.

[Movie Hunter]

can we vote for the winners this time or WHAT ??

[dh1989]

I think it stinks that Elijah Wood did not become a household name from the first LOTR. I was really hoping it would for him what TITANIC did for Leonardo DiCaprio. I have been a big fan of Elijah since RADIO FLYER and I have always seen his films from the highs(THE ICE STORM and THE BUMBLEBEE FLIES ANYWAY) and the lows(BLACK AND WHITE and FLIPPER). I was really hoping for him to become a huge star. But I guess I'll have to wait, maybe he'll do another big movie after CHAIN OF FOOLS, ASH WEDNESDAY, TTT, and ROTK. Don't you guys think he deserves to become a big star like Tom Cruise or DiCaprio.

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dh1989:
I think it stinks that Elijah Wood did not become a household name from the first LOTR. I was really hoping it would for him what TITANIC did for Leonardo DiCaprio. I have been a big fan of Elijah since RADIO FLYER and I have always seen his films from the highs(THE ICE STORM and THE BUMBLEBEE FLIES ANYWAY) and the lows(BLACK AND WHITE and FLIPPER). I was really hoping for him to become a huge star. But I guess I'll have to wait, maybe he'll do another big movie after CHAIN OF FOOLS, ASH WEDNESDAY, TTT, and ROTK. Don't you guys think he deserves to become a big star like Tom Cruise or DiCaprio.</font>


Whoa, Whoa, Whoa my friend. Yes Elijah deserves to become huge and I am sure he is thought of as a much more bankable commodity now and will be even better after TTT and ROTK.

But please don't put the Leo curse on him. Leo went into oblivion after Titanic. And he appears to have become a self centered jerk.

I think Elijah will always stay more on the sidelines of the big Hollywood world, but never again will he be a unknown.

Elijah is already bigger than Leo will ever be.

Elijah good, Leo bad!

Out...................

[jsa1971]

SKREW LEO

[dh1989]

Leonardo DiCaprio is not in the headlines much becasue he is smart. Instead of doing more teen girl films he did smarter and dark films like THE BEACH and GANGS OF NEW YORK(which I wish those asses would release already. So it violent, who cares? So was TAXI DRIVER). And I'd expect him to come back soon with the release of CATCH ME IF YOU CAN by Speilberg and co-starring Hanks. If you want to bash someone: bash Prinze Jr. He became a hit with girls and never took any risks. That is why he'll never get his chance. Leo will come back soon.

[Puck Bond]

Hey everyone just to let you know I have finished reading The Two Towers...the last two chapters were amazing(and brought tears to my eyes)...from what I've heard and been reading Jackson is not going to have Shelob at the end of The Two Towers?! Is he mad?! It was a great friggin climax...and a great cliffhanger. Now I have no idea what happens in The Return of the King...but according to some of you Frodo and Sam don't have much to do apparently.

To me it would feel weird and strange to have this big exciting scene at the beginning of TROTK...it just doesn't feel right to me. It just seems like a perfect fit to the end of Frodo, Sam and Gollum's journey into Mordor and a good wrap up of the second film. I mean you would have Gandalf riding off with Pippin in one scene...and the gates closing in front of Sam as the Orcs carried Frodo away in another...It just seems a lot better that way.

If this is the case how is Jackson planning on ending The Two Towers? Maybe Frodo, sam and Gollum leaving Farmir's hide-out or something?

Any help would be appreciated.

[Common Sense Man]

Puck,

We have discussed this much in the past but hey why not talk about it a bit again.

Here is my take on it.

Well first off remember this is one movie, not three, so where PJ places scenes from the books may piss some people off it should work fine once you can see the whole thing.

So I do not have a problem with PJ going outside the structure of the books, just like he did in FOTR.

If you remember Bormir does not die until the beginning of TTT so that was also a departure but it worked very well, it would have been terrible to see Borimir for two seconds at the beginning of TTT then have him killed. It gave the gang some great motivation to go after Merry and Pippin.

And yes Shelob will be fantastic and it will suck not to see her for another year and a half but I can wait.

I am sure PJ will not open ROTK with Shelob but some other story arc.

And yes Sam and Frodo have less to do in ROTK so it is logical to move this fantastic part of the story to ROTK.

And TTT will be jam packed with action and story, they could make two movies just from TTT so I doubt you will be missing Shelob that much.

I am sure PJ started this project thinking of the whole story not three parts, then decided how to best break it into three parts.

I know that when all the special editions are finally out and you can watch them all back to back it will work to perfection.

And I am glad he is more concerned with the total story content than making each movie end in a cliffhangar.

Go PJ!

Until ROTK here is a little Alan Lee Shelob to tide you over.

http://home.tvd.be/ws35756/Tolkien/smallpics/tolk-lee33-l.gif

Out...................

[media_man]

I personally would like to see a build up to Shelob, through a narrative perhaps, where movie goers would hear a bit of history about how much evil really awaits Sam and Frodo. Anyone who has read The Silmarillion knows there are wonderful descriptions about the creation of dragons, spiders, trolls, etc. and to have even a brief dialogue about Ungoliant and his offspring (Shelob) I don't think would be a bad thing.

[LordKaruku]

Wow, I like that Shelob painting. Alan Lee ROCKS!

If people thought the Nazgul were scary.... Shelob's going to make them wet their pants. I'm imagining right now what noises the sound designers are going to come up with for her.... &lt;shivers&gt;

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by media_man:
I personally would like to see a build up to Shelob, through a narrative perhaps, where movie goers would hear a bit of history about how much evil really awaits Sam and Frodo. Anyone who has read The Silmarillion knows there are wonderful descriptions about the creation of dragons, spiders, trolls, etc. and to have even a brief dialogue about Ungoliant and his offspring (Shelob) I don't think would be a bad thing.</font>

I have to agree if you are any kind of Tolkien fan you have to read the Silmarillion, it is the origin of everything.

It reads a lot like The Illiad or The Odyessy by Homer so do not expect a novel. But there are definately novel like stories contained there in.

And on a side note I believe Ungoliant was a female, hence the Mother of all spiders. But the Silmarillion gives great visuals also.

Read it!

http://members.cts.com/king/e/erikt/tolkien/sil_cvr.jpg

If you want to read part of the first chapter go here.

http://www.fireandwater.com/Extract/ex_ch1_silmarillion_tolkien.pdf


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[This message has been edited by Common Sense Man (edited 04-28-2002).]

[media_man]

Thanks CSM, I really thought Ungoliant was male...who knew females could be so evil!?!

[Scorchlord]

I actually have a theory that ALL females are evil, but I won't get into that here. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


The Silmarillion's a great book. Just started it a few days ago. Melkor's a badass.

[Movie Hunter]

I didnot read the simallarion yet BUT i am about to finish ROTK .. this triology is really great http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

M.H http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[RossCo]

Reading the Silmarillon is like reading the Old Testament. I remember I didn't get very far into it at all. But then again I was only like 12.

I think I'm going to give it another try.

Is there anywhere I can find a cleaner version of TTT preview!?

[Common Sense Man]

That was your problem RossCo if you don't get beyond the first few chapters you never get to the more novelessque storys.

And I would recommend not reading the preface where they talk about Tolkien writting to his editor and they give you the letter he sent, as it spoils much of the stories in the book, come back and read that later.

But you have to get thru the creation myth of middle earth and the initial stages of the Valar moving to middle earth before you get into the more story like aspects.

But it is definately worth it especially if you like LOTR. This is a must if you truly wish to understand just how important some characters in the LOTR are or how important what they say is.

As an example Elrond is a much larger persona after reading the Silmarillion and when he tells Frodo that he could share a table with Beren, and other heros of old you know understand just how big of an honor that is. As you now understand their stories and past deeds.

Read it.

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[Scorchlord]

Feanor was a fucking idiot.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, it has been quite a while since I have posted here, so I thought I ought to drop by. Found some very nice pictures of swords, and such, from both movies, and thought you might want to see them;

http://www.unitedcutlery.com/rings.html

And below is an article from TORn, about someone who started a petition to - well, jusr read.

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We have received countless emails letting us know that some misguided person has started an online petition to try to convince Peter Jackson and New Line Cinema that the film of The Two Towers should be renamed in light of the events of September 11. Their reasoning behind the petition is that the title "is clearly meant to refer to the attacks on the World Trade Center," and that PJ & Co. are simply trying to "cash in" on the tragedy. For obvious reasons, not the least of which being that the second installment of The Lord of the Rings was named The Two Towers nearly 50 years before the September 11 attacks, we at TheOneRing.net consider this petition to be rather pointless and ignorant, and judging from the sarcastic and disgusted remarks in the petition itself, so do most of the people who signed it. (UPDATE: Yes, we are aware that there is a counter-petition out there. However, we do not usually link to petitions, positive or negative.)

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Pretty fucking retarded, I know. Anyways, now onto a little idea that I have had. Although it would only be for people who have read the books, I was thinking that we could use this thread, and do a chapter-by-chapter, and talk about how we want specific scenes to be handled, ect. Others, who havent read, could join in, but they would be spoling alot. So, anyone up for that idea or what??

[jsa1971]

Yes that is a glorious idea, to prove to these retards that the title of the book has absolutely nothing to do with a terrorist attack.

[Movie Hunter]

yeah its a great idea .

M.H http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[media_man]

Good idea, Start it up, DF.

[TheRock]

According to TORN, there's some rumblings that you might be seeing The Two Towers Trailer in theaters sometime this month(Attack of the Clones possibly?).

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Countdown to The Two Towers:

March: The Two Towers fan trailer attached to The Fellowship of the Rings in
theatres.

May: The Two Towers teaser trailer released in theaters nationwide.

August 6: Theatrical release of The Fellowship of the Ring reaches stores in DVD/VHS, with DVD format featuring Houghton Mifflin video.

September: The Two Towers theatrical trailer in theaters nationwide.

SEPTEMBER: New "Two Towers" teaser trailer and poster in theatres

3 Vol. LOTR MTI PA Boxed Set w/new movie art and new ISBNs / $35

21-copy Mixed Floor Display w/Novels PA / $300

The Annotated Hobbit (Ships 8/8) CL / $28

JRR Tolkien Author of the Century by Tom Shippey (ships Aug) PA $13

OCTOBER: LOTR: Three vol edition illustrated by Alan Lee Boxed Set

NOVEMBER: "Fellowship: DVD/VHS

Major licensee merchandise for "Two Towers" on sale

National consumer contest (doesn't explain this either!)

National Laydown Nov 6th - Two Towers visual companion
- The Making of The Lord of the Rings

20-copy Mixed Floor Display with Film books

Two Towers Photo Guide

16-Copy Counter Display with film books

November 12: Extended version of The Fellowship of the Ring released on DVD/VHS.

December 18: The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers opens in theaters nationwide.


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Thought that would be some nice information for everyone to see. And, if more people are interested, we`ll start the book thing.

[Sowen]

I am completely interested in doing the chapter by chapter thing. Someone should start it up.I'll bet after SW2:AOTC has been out for a while more and more people will join in. I'm all for starting it now though.

[Common Sense Man]

Hey guys it has been a bit since I have posted here but I just put up a TT Gallery at The Annex (http://csm.koolhost.com) most I am sure you have seen before but at least now they are all in one place.

And I am sure I will be adding to it as time goes by.

And yes I am sure that after AOTC is out for a while and they begin to release the trailers for TTT things will pick up again.

Out....................

[snootch]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TheRock:
According to TORN, there's some rumblings that you might be seeing The Two Towers Trailer in theaters sometime this month(Attack of the Clones possibly?).</font>

That would probably make the most sense...I'd be surprised if they didn't take advantage of the opportunity.

So... that means that we only have another week until we get to see some new footage from The Two Towers! Excellent, I can't wait!

BTW, has anyone been able to find a good version of the trailer that ran after FOTR?

[BarkingSparrow]

From TORN:

"With a certain level of secrecy, the top brass at New Line Cinema just got back from a visit to New Zealand. As the rumor has it, they were there for an update on the status of The Two Towers and to see a 'rough-cut' of the film. The information we have tells us they absolutely loved what they saw. Most seemed to agree that it was even better then Fellowship of the Ring. Hey, sounds good to me! We'll investigate further and see if we can get any kind of official statement on the trip."

It would not surprise me at all to see TTT turn out to be the better film. Fellowship was always the most difficult book to film.

[media_man]

I agree with you that FOTR is more difficult to film, there is a lot of introduction to play out. Besides, the first film in a trilogy is typically one that has a certain tentative quality attached to it (the unfilmable novel, etc.). Now that everyone sees how successful it has become (surpassing even New Line's expectations) perhaps they will push that 'rough cut' even further than originally inended. Whatever the outcome, you know that P.J. the Purist will make it the best film of his career to date. I can't wait.

[kiwihitman]

could someone give me the url for TORN

[BarkingSparrow]

TORN: www.theonering.net (http://www.theonering.net)

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, not much happeneing in regards to TTT, but the official teaser should be coming out this month, and than,.......it`ll be out, I guess. Anyways, here is a link to an interview with George Lucas that has a mention of LotR; GL responds with a good opinion on it, I liked it.

[Tuukka]

Where is the link?

[snootch]

So, do you guys think they will show the trailer before Attack of the Clones this week??? I'm dyin to see some new TTT stuff and hope that it happens this week. I just can't think of another film that would be good to show it in front of.

Thoughts, ideas???

[Shaddiz]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tuukka:
Where is the link?</font>

here (http://msn.eonline.com/Features/Specials/StarWars2002/Qa/lucas2.html)

[Scorchlord]

I need a severe Two Towers fix after sitting through Episode II.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I dont really want to diss on this thread, but does anyone feel that this thread is lacking that,....whatever it was in the other thread. When we were discussing it there, I would check it first and foremost, but now,.....I only check it occasionally. Im not whining, and im sure that it has something to do with the general lack of people posting, but,.....just an observation. Oh, and anyone interested in the "book" thing. I think ill start that sometime next week.

[Common Sense Man]

Ya the thread has been dormant for a bit but that was expected especially with all the hype about spidey and aotc, but after that calms a bit things will pick up again.

Hey I sort of consolidated all the pics I could find from TTT on my site if you want to see them simply pop on over to The Annex (http://theannex.curvedspaces.com)

I also found a very cool pic of the dude that is playing Gollum. Andy something. It shows him in full makeup, with the ears of a Hobbit etc.

Maybe they are going to do a bit of backstory on him before he transformed into Gollum.

I will post that pic on the TT Gallery page as soon as I am done here. Currently 111 pics.

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[This message has been edited by Common Sense Man (edited 05-16-2002).]

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Yes indeed, it has been confirmed that there will be scenes that show the progression of Smeagol to Gollum, and the finding of the Ring - Phillipa Boyens is said to have directed these scenes. And now, im going to give you a link to 10 of AICNs EXCELLENT articles, talking about scenes mostly from RotK - mind you, these are quite old, but alot of you might not have read them.

http://www.tolkienonline.com/docs/1665.html

I especially like how they are going to Faramir shot with arrows, returning from the battle-field. Much like his brother. And I also like how Harry reports that the Ring begins to get so heavy that the chain cuts the back of his neck. There is really some excellent stuff in there.

[Scorchlord]

There hasn't been much TTT news recently. Once the trailer comes out, things will perk up.

I finished the Silmarillion. Amazing book. SImply amazing.

[Common Sense Man]

Yes the Silmarillian is a fantastic book and a great look into Tolkiens mind.

I am now focusing on TTT now that AOTC is out. I have compiled over 200 pictures from the upcoming movie including some I have never seen.

If you want to check them out come over to The Annex (http://theannex.curvedspaces.com)

I also have a couple of Smeagol posted on the main TTT Gallery page. It does appear they are going to be doing some sort of flashback in the upcoming movie.

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[media_man]

Here's something to check out if you find that The Silmarillion is just too much for you...'A Tolkien Bestiary' by David Day shows a complete history of Middle Earth and Western (Undying) Lands from inception to the 'War of The Ring', complete with time charts for chronological orientation.

As well, there are printed every conceivable character and race known to exist throughout the realms of Arda (depicted in stunning pen and ink) and a pictorial chronological history depicted in colour. Geneologies of both Men and Elves are also included. Die-hard fans and new recruits alike can benefit from the wealth of knowledge found here.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I think the thread has definitely lost steam,there is some serious redundancy going on.For me it died awhile ago,that's why i stopped posting.


The article about the executives was hilarious.Like they would still doubt Jackson's creative vision after a 800 mil worldwide gross.Now the dvd,who knows how much more it will make(i'll wait for the 4 Disc set with DTS 6.1 and the 30 minutes extra,and all the other nice stuff).


Pictures of Gollum,and Treebeard,what Jackson did last Sunday,what he plans on doing next Sunday,the actual time the Sun rose in New Zealand last Saturday,i think the thread got started way to soon out of excitement,and you Shmoes have shot your load way before it's time.


I'll be back in October when everything starts to heat up for real.


I really can't wait for the Summer to end,even though it has'nt even started,so i can see what a real movie is again,not these cheesy summer bbusters.Signs should get things rolling on the serious film front,leading up to Two Towers,what more can be said about it,it'll be amazing in every way,just like the first.

[BarkingSparrow]

Does *ANYONE* have any definite news as to when the next TTT teaser/trailer will be out? Also, any ideas as to the pricing for the extended edition DVD versions?

[BitchTits]

Can someone please tell me what the Silmarillion is about. I've heard of it, but I don't know the plot.

[BarkingSparrow]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BitchTits:
Can someone please tell me what the Silmarillion is about. I've heard of it, but I don't know the plot.</font>

It's about the First Age of Middle-Earth, primarily about the Elves, the Silmarils, and the great war with Morgoth. Not all Tolkien fans were able to get into this book, as it's written in a 'biblical' style quite different from the LOTR trilogy and The Hobbit.

[Common Sense Man]

The Silmarillian is basically about the creation of the planet that houses middle earth, the actual creation of all the races, but it mainly focuses on the Elves as the choosen children.

If you can get past the first couple of chapters it gets back to novel style reading.

I thought it was fantastic.

You get all the legends they talk about in the LOTR and The Hobbit.

The birth of the Dwarves and Men, the discovery of Mithril and founding of all the famous places you see in the LOTR.

Basically Tolkien was sick that his homeland had no interesting fairy tales so he wrote his own.

I would suggest you skip the introduciton the one where they put the letter Tolkien wrote to his publisher trying to get him interested in the book. It is full of spoilers about the stories, so skip that and read it after the book.

It is a must for any Tolkien fan.

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[Dehydrator]

Sorry for running in open doors but when is the exact date for TTT to hit the screens?

[BarkingSparrow]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dehydrator:
Sorry for running in open doors but when is the exact date for TTT to hit the screens? </font>

Wed, Dec 18th, 2002

[Horror whore]

When will the trailer come out?

[Shaddiz]

here are the fan-art posters that won #1 #2, and third place in TORN's little poster game, if anyone's interested:

THIRD PLACE:
http://img-www.theonering.net/theonering/contests/images/ttttt_third.jpg

SECOND PLACE:
http://img-www.theonering.net/theonering/contests/images/ttttt_second.jpg

WINNER:
http://img-www.theonering.net/theonering/contests/images/ttttt_first.jpg

[BarkingSparrow]

Those are awesome posters!

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Wow, that first poster was AMAZING!! The other two were good, but that first one - wow. That poster has gotten me more excited about the movie for some strange reason.

[Movie Hunter]

ahhhhhhhhhhh i can`t wait .. I ADORED LOTR:FOTR .. i hope i like TTT (which i have no doubt)

P.S : GREAT POSTERS

M.H http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, this is a very interesting article that brings up alot of paralells between the LotR trilogy, and the HP series - definately worth a read. Oh, and beware of spoilers;

http://greenbooks.theonering.net/guest/files/050102.html

[Dehydrator]

For me, the most gaping difference between their work has to be that Rowling included the "real" world in HARRY POTTER. Harry is an average orphan in this, our world until he becomes a magic pupil while LOTR is entirely happening in middle earth. Rest of the article sounds a bit far fetched to me, but I've yet to read all of the HP books. Tolkin's work sure had lots of influence, I always thought to read bits and pieces of LOTR and THE HOBBIT in the works of Marion Zimmer Bradley ("Mist of Avalon"), although it is based (forgive me when I get this wrong), half on british mythology and half on historical reality. Some might say that Tolkin's influence is in STAR WARS as well so you're gonna have a hard time naming all the stuff he reportedly influenced.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

A little bit of information that you might find interesting Dehydrator, is that Middle-Earth is a pre-history to our own world. Tolkien wanted to create a mythology for Europe (being displeased with the lack of any good ones) and so came The Silmarillion, out of which grew The Hobbit, and LotR. So essesntially, LotR happened on our own Earth.

[Dehydrator]

I know that this was Tolkin's intention but you wouldn't know if you just read LOTR or THE HOBBIT (I don't know if the SIMILIARON is equally treasured among the more die-hard Tolkin fans). The fact that Tolkin wanted to create a mythology for his environment doesn't really matter in his works, it wouldn't be THAT much of a difference if it took place on Jupiter, while Rowling acknowledges the existence of a "real" world in the here and now.

By the way is there a thing like self-created mythology, created by only one guy?

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Yes, there is such a thing - and it is called Middle-Earth. Tolkien's writing is probably more widely known tha most other "real" mythologies, and it is a hell of a lot more in-depth. Tolkien created an entire world; languages, histores, different calenders, geneologies, ect. There is so much detail it is incredble. And now, for your viewng pleasure - the first review of the FotR DVD!!!

http://www.lightsoutentertainment.com/dvd/reviews/reviews.php?DvdId=106

The menus are grrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!!!!!!!

[Horror whore]

I don't like those menus....They look too...umm...I can't think of a word right now but I won the DVD in a bet with a friend so maybe I will get the November release, but probably not... Anyways that LotR/HP article was a good read...

[BarkingSparrow]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:
Yes, there is such a thing - and it is called Middle-Earth. Tolkien's writing is probably more widely known tha most other "real" mythologies, and it is a hell of a lot more in-depth. Tolkien created an entire world; languages, histores, different calenders, geneologies, ect. There is so much detail it is incredble. And now, for your viewng pleasure - the first review of the FotR DVD!!!

http://www.lightsoutentertainment.com/dvd/reviews/reviews.php?DvdId=106

The menus are grrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!!!!!!!</font>

I've been on the fence with respect to purchasing a HDTV, but this DVD will likely push me to doing so. I'll probably buy the August DVD in standard, then get the November extended edition version in widescreen. Now if the HDTV people can get their damn act together and standardize (DVI, HDCP, HDMI, etc).

[Common Sense Man]

Hey guys,

Just watned to let you know that there is a new fan art poster submission by Nikolay over atThe Annex. (http://theannex.curvedspaces.com/html/lotrart.html)

I have noticed lately that for some reason it is hard to get to The Annex using the Joblo url linking system so if you have trouble simply cut and paste the url.

http://theannex.curvedspaces.com

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[SHREK]

Question for LOTR trilogy readers:

Who exactly is the main character of the trilogy?

From watching the film, I believed Frodo was the main character in that movie. However, I am not sure if he will still be the main character in the next two films...

[Clb2kgb28]

i say that all the characters in the fellowship or were in the fellowship are the main characters, but Frodo and Sam are the ones whose quest is more important. But Aragorn becomes king and its kinda Gandalf's battle to defeat sauron. But now im confused myself. i say the ppl in the fellowship

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Actually, there are four main characters (in my opinion, anyways) Ok, five actually. The first, an most important, is Gandalf. He is the one that prevents the Ring from being catured in the Shire, beor Bilbo or Frodo even knew what it was. His help is also invaluable throughout the rest of the story. Frodo and Sam are also main characters, for obvious reasons. And Aragorn is also a very important character. I dont wanna give any spoilers, so thats all I will say. And the final main character, although this might be a bit of a spoiler, is Gollum. If not for him, none of this would have happened, and, well,.....other stuff.

[Tuukka]

The main character is The One Ring, which is basicly a physical manifestation of the power of Sauron. So you could say that Sauron is the main character. It is "The Lord Of The Rings" after all... But if we think about our heroes, Frodo will have the biggest abount of screen time in the sequels as well. Sam's and Gollums roles will be much bigger than they were in FOTR, while Gandalf and Aragorn will have about as big roles as they have in FOTR.

[thingsgoinon]

Well...I didn't have the patience to look thru all 5 pages of the thread, so I realise this has prob been talked about, but this Shelob business REALLY bothers me...

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I'm not sure, but I think we discussed this is the previous TTT thread, but it is worth going over again. After thinking about it a little, you will realize that there is NO WAY that Shelob could be in TTT, nd still make RotK a well-balanced film. First off, Sam and Frodo get really far ahead in the timeline; I think their storyline gets abot a week ahead of Aragorn and everyone else. Second, the cliff-hnger ending would be great, but then the beggining of RotK would have to begin with Sam, and that would be a bit of a problem. There is also the fact that Sam and Frodo do basically nothing in RotK, other than the whole Tower bit. All they do is walk through the valley to Mt. Doom. The viewer is going to need a stronger emotional reltionsip with Frodo and Sam in order for the scene to be as involvingas it should be, making the decision to move Shelob to the 3rd film, the only real possible solution. But that still would have been one hell of an ending.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

http://www.ringbearer.org/mb/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=10082


There is the link to a thread with a bit of an interview with PJ about what to expect on the DVD. It seems PJ based what he was putting back by fan reviews. Thats pretty cool. Oh, and the scene I am most looking forward to on the DVD; before the Fellowship departs from Rivendell, Frodo realizes that he doesnt even know wether to go left or right t leave Rivendell.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, here is the good news; Harry Knowles has seen the new TTT trailer!!!!

The bad news is; there is only one new shot. Here is the article;

Harry has seen the new TWO TOWERS trailer
Hey folks, Harry here... I'm not going to go into great detail here simply because there really is nothing new here. Basically this is a re-edit of footage you've already seen in the extended trailer that was tagged onto the end of FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING. In all the trailer ran right around a minute twenty seconds. I wasn't looking at my watch, but it seemed to end before it was started. But isn't that always the case with any footage seen from LORD OF THE RINGS?
There is one shot that most of you have never seen, that has Legolas at the battle of Helm's Deep sliding down a set of stairs on the back of a shield firing arrows at oncoming hordes of Orc and Uruk Hai. If memory serves, this footage was in the Cannes Reel.
The trailer is made up only of characters that were introduced to us in the first film, shows the key scenes of Gollum crawling down towards Frodo and Sam, Aragorn and Legolas standing in the lightning at Helm's Deep with those establishing shots of the massive evil arm encamped outside their walls and the trailer ends with the introduction of Gandalf the White as he first appears before Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas. No Treebeard, no Eomer, no Theoden, no Wormtongue, no Arwen or Eowyn, no Faramir. And strangely, neither of the Two Towers are actually shown in the teaser if memory serves... rather odd thing to leave out, I would think.
The trailer is narrated by Cate Blanchett's Galadriel, but I didn't have my notes with me when I saw the trailer. Where did I see it? Parts Unknown. Let's just say, I haven't been in Austin all the time. Muhahahahahahaaaaa, sneaky cheeky bastard that I am. I love my New Line spies in Bangkok!!!! Just kidding... or am I?
Ultimately I couldn't help but be disappointed by the lack of new imagery. Sure many people haven't seen the TWO TOWERS footage that was shown at Cannes last year, many didn't return to FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING to see the extended TWO TOWERS trailer, so for many this will most likely be their first chance to see footage from TWO TOWERS beyond the glimpses on ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT or other such programs. Frankly though, I feel with each new step, they should be bringing us mainly new imagery. Making us hunger for more and more. Personally I just want the movie out now. It's the film I wish to be seeing this Memorial Day.

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That shield-surfing, although some may not like it, I think it`ll be cool as all hell. We'll just have to wait and see what it looks like.

[Kurtz' Killer]

The second installment of the LOTR trilogy should break some records at the end of the year. (Keeping with the trend)The first film was outstanding & I'm sure the other two won't let anybody down, but my interest in this trilogy is not at nor should reach any zenith in the near or distant future.

[ak]

Fokker - I'm looking forward to that scene in the DVD too!

Also - I'm slightly disappointed that there's only one extra un-seen scene in the trailer. It makes the "preview" seem like less or a treat, if you know what I mean.

When does the full-blown trailer come out? September?

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

I am not exactly sure when it will come out, but I woul expect it some time soon. And although I am a little dissapointed about there being only one new scene in the trailer (actually, it only runs about a minute and a half, so alot of stuff was taken out as well - specifically, all the new characters) but at least it will be edited differently, and have a narration. Besides, we have to remember that the VAST majority did not see the special preview (and yes, it is still special) so this will be new to them.

[SHREK]

What are your predictions on the opening weekend at the box office for LOTR: TTT???
The first one opened with $45m in three days plus $18m more from wednesday, but having almost the entire world loving FOTR, I predict the opening of TTT will be much bigger. What do you think?

[jsa1971]

As LORD ELVIS would say......'Uh-huh-huh'

[Scrunch]

The four times I saw this in the theater there were a ton of girlfriend's and wives of guys who were obviously total fans of the books. The women who walked out quite often were totally bored. The one thing I wonder is how many people saw Fellowship that realized it just wasn't their cup of tea?

I'm guessing it will do about the same as the first one but not much more if it makes more at all.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Here are my reasons for thinking that TT will do better than FotR.

1. The exposure of the first film; alot of people saw it. Most importantly, alot of non-fans saw it. This increased fan-base will help to make TT more money. Granted, some didnt like it, but many, many others realized that they did.

2. Video, and DVD release. I know alot of people who decided to wait until it came out on video or DVD to see it, because it was fantasy. Assuming that alot of them like it, they will more than likely check out TT.

3. Obviously, bigger fans and fans of te book will check the film out - probably more times than FotR, because,....

4. TT will be a better film. With no need to go over everything again, TT will have room for more character developement, more action, more everything. Not to mention that it is a MUCH more adaptable film than FotR. This one also deals more heavily withthe human race, making the story more accessible.

5. After all the awards, press, and money of FotR, TT will be even more hyped, meaning - more money.

I could think of more, but,.....um,...I dont really feel like it. Besides, I think this should do.

[media_man]

I have a different view on your earlier post about Shelob, DF. I think ROTK has enough in it to be as or even more gripping than FOTR or TTT. No one has mentioned it yet (not that I know of anyway), but the scene of ****SPOILER******


Aragorn passing through the Paths of the Dead with Legolas and Gimli with the hordes of the skeleton army following behind them could be a real scene stealer.
This also speaks of Gimli (a dwarf who only feels truly comfortable under mountain rock and stone) as being not only wary of his surroundings, but actually afraid of the dark, and there are mentions of him being so frightened that he feels like he's going crazy!
Gimli quotes, "...upon that road I was put to shame: Gimli Gloin's son, who had deemed himself more tough than Men, and hardier under earth than any Elf. But neither did I prove; and I was held to the road only by the will of Aragorn."

I think any footage showing a ghost army sweeping down on unsuspecting towns and villages could be absolutely phenomenal.

[BitchTits]

I'm really dissapointed that Shelob will be put in the beginning of ROTK instead of TT. Frodo and Sam had NOTHING to do in TT except for walking.

Oh yea, and expect ROTK to be the most action-packed in the entire series.

For those of you who haven't read the books, here's what to expect in TT:

Gandalf comes back

Eomer's battle with the orcs

The battle at Helm's Deep

Gandalf defeats Saruman

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Actually Bitch, Frodo and Sam do nothing but walk in RotK - hence the decision to move Shelob. In TTT F&S meet Faramir, go through the Marshes, meet Gollum, Mrorgu Vale, ect.

[jsa1971]

Everything will come to pass when the movie premieres......ALL IN GOOD TIME.....IN THE MEAN TIME, PRAISE LORD ELVIS.....YA AINT NUTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG......

[Common Sense Man]

I know I have stated this many times before but everyone is forgetting to take my word as gospel and live by my laws, damn I hate when that happens.

So once more with feeling.

It really does not matter where a plot point is placed as this is one story not three. And when all three movies our out on DVD you can simply watch them back to back and never consider them a trilogy but one long epic.

I wouldn't put it past New Line to release a special DVD edition after all the movies have been released one that is the entire thing in one package.

Bring on the mayhem baby!

http://thesilentman.nexen.net/Images/preview42b.jpg

Out.......................

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[media_man]

Nice face!!! Kick ass, Legolas!

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, since this was falling, I thought I would update with a little news. First off, B.O. Mojo is predicting that AotC might not hold take FotR out of the top 10! To me, this is good news. Star Wars already has, what, 3 films in the top 10? I dont think it needs anymore. Here is the link;

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/starwars/versus2.htm


And in other news, FotR has been nominated for 3 Teen Choice Awards;

Fellowship of the Ring has been nominated for three categories in the Teen Choice Awards: Liv Tyler (Best Actress), Elijah Wood (Best Actor) and Best Drama/Action Adventure.

http://home.seventeen.com/teenchoice/index.html

And finally, FotR has won BP for the MTV Movie Awards. Lets hope that it bumps it B.O. up. Perhaps now it could beat Potter. No, probably not. Potter ended with 317, while FotR will probably end with 312.

[Scorchlord]

Attack of the Clones sucked ass and doesn't deserve the amounts of money it will probably get. Fuck Star Wars.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Ok, guys. You want some big news?? Well, someone at TORc says hehas a contact that has the TTT scrpt, and is answeringquestions in his thread. Here is the link to the first one;


http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?catid=13&threadid=48340


There are four more threads at theboards,so take a look at them all, and start discussing. Unless you want to remain spoiler-free. Anyways, this sounds legit to me guys, so wh knows,...


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[thingsgoinon]

WOW, cool link Fokker, I am only one page into it and I'm freakin the hell out&gt; Dammitt why do these guys feel they have to CHANGE things so much ??? ARGGG....ok meloooooooooooow......mellow..............

breathe...........

Oh I'm sure it'll be good anyway, but dammitt.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Concerng the changes; I honestly dont care. They will help the film to flow better, and more importantly - it is the film! I think everyone just needs to understandthat changes, however unnessecary they seem to us, were made with care from people who know te source mateial better than even we do. I will appreciate the films fow what they are - the films. If I wanted a word-for-word translation; I would read the book.

[TheRock]

I won't worry about the changes until you see it for a number of reasons:

1)the guy may be lying
2)the guy who has the script may be lying
3)the script is not dated so who knows how old it is
4)it may look better on film than it does written
5)the changes may be better

The only change that kinda has me worried is the Eowyn one. I probably won't have a problem if she is defending herself from an attack while inside but if she's out there fighting with Aragorn, I'd have a problem with it. The rest of the stuff sounds good!

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, what happens is that Eowyn is inside the Deep, helping the injured, and staying near her father (Theoden) when the Orc busts into the inner walls and she has to kill it. Thats not bad. Not bad at all. I even like that they are gonna tie up some loose ends (Saruman for example), and alot of the changes, actually like. Elrond leaving Rivendell, Arwen seeing Aragorn in the mirror, Haldir and the Elves arriving to help; all the while, I think PJ is still maintaining his sense that the Elves areleaving these shores.

[Movie Hunter]

i cant wait for this movie.....HOW did i get obssesed with it like this ....

anyway good link man ...keep it goin ..

[Constipated_Pig]

Well, the LOTR fans are likely to be the only people who are anticipating the movie. I can imagine all the jocks and Nascar fans thinking the movies look "dumb".

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

You know, it's funny, because the last time I looked, Fellowship had made $300 million domestically, and is the #5 film if all-time in world-wide B.O. I think alot more people went and saw it than the "LotR geeks." And myself, playing both soccer and baseball, could be considered a jock, and I like the movie and love the book. So, there goes your "theory". And withthat, let us ignore this troll, and move on. My question;

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[BarkingSparrow]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Constipated_Pig:
Well, the LOTR fans are likely to be the only people who are anticipating the movie. I can imagine all the jocks and Nascar fans thinking the movies look "dumb".</font>

Hmmm.

NASCAR fan? -- yes.
Jock? (basketball/baseball/karate) -- yes.
LOTR fan? -- yes.

If you are talking the standard inbred NASCAR (and Earnhardt) fan from down south; tatoos, missing front teeth, and so forth, I agree with ya.

[thingsgoinon]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dumb-Fokker-**:

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Well, realistically they don't have to change anything. In this day and age of CGI, all things are possible; wich is the reason the books were finally able to get film treatment.

Sure things have to be dropped sometimes, but making BLATANT plot changes is just inexcuseable to me.

Don't get me wrong, I have been waiting for these films decades, and they prob will still be great...I haven't even had the heart to read much more of that page you posted, cuz it just plain depressed me when I found out about the changes.

[Common Sense Man]

Let see 311 mill domestic.

537 mill overseas.

LOTR geeks rule the world baby! Well okay maybe not but it would be nice.

We can all agree that the dudes statements where nothing but flame bait.

I am a huge Nascar fan by the way!

As far as the changes go I have not read the list DF provided and I have not read The Two Towers novel in years. Yes I have a completely new boxed set of the books and have reread the Hobbit and FOTR but I did not read FOTR until after I saw the movie.

And I plan on doing the same thing for each movie.

I found that I did not really notice too many changes in FOTR except for Arwen of course before I read the book. Then after I reread it I realized that most of the changes where perfectly fine and needed to be made to fit the movie into the time frame it eventually occupied.

I know of some changes to TTT such as the elves increased role and I do not have a problem with it.

I have no problem with PJ moving story plot points from one book to another, ie Shelob from TTT to ROTK.

To me it is all one movie so it doesn't matter what instalement things are in as long as they are in the story.

But this is an adaptation and things will change, no book can be directly translated to the screen it just would not work.

And if anyone cares about getting it right it is PJ and his people.

I agree that almost anything can be done now a days with CGI but that does not mean it has to be done. So I will trust PJ and the gang to tell the story in the best way they think.

Because as fas as I am concerned they have done the best job so far of any who have attempted it.

A novel such as LOTR is something different to everyone. That is the beauty of imagination and novels in general.

So not all are going to be happy with everything that is done. But unless you are making the movie you will never be totally satisfied.

But all I have to do is watch the opening sequence of FOTR and I realize this is indeed a master storyteller combined with a master filmaker producing a Masterpiece.

I can't wait for TTT and unlike most movies this year I will be there day one no matter how crowded it is.

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[ak]

Well, I'm going to try and get back into the swing of this topic, as the Star Wars fever has gone. I'm beginning to get really excited.

I just picked up this month's Empire film mag, here in the U.K and they have a section devoted to upcoming blockbusters, and which ones to look out for.
In it, they obviously cover The Two Towers. Peter Jackson made a great little comment in the segment -

"If audiences are expecting more of the same, they are not going to get it".

Here is the entire article: Interesting read, btw.....

There are claims that LOTR's effects have made amazing advances even since the release of Fellowship. The battle at Helm's Deep, involving 10,000 Orcs attacking an ancient fort, is purportedly ten times more detailed than the scrum-down seen in the first film's sweeping prologue.
With new characters and a complex narrative, Two Towers looks set to be more diverse and dazzling. Peter Jackson agrees:
"The second feels very different from the first film, which I think is a positive thing. If audiences go to Two Towers expecting more of the same, they are not going to get it".
Key to this is the full debut of Gollum, the CGI-generated trickster who will lead Frodo and Sam into Mordor and a date with destiny.
"He's a really twisted, sick little guy".
Jackson says of the creature created through motion capture technology, allowing actor Andy Serkis to act the role before he's digitised. "It's looking pretty good so far"...

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[Common Sense Man]

Here is a snippet of an article I found of an interview with Andy.

It does indeed appear that there will be a backstory on Gollum as he talks about being transformed from Smeagol to Gollum, sound great.

And on my site I have a pic of Andy as Smeagol in a boat with Deagol so it looks like this is true.

Here is the article.

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"The director, PJ [Peter Jackson], wanted [Gollum] to be driven by an actor as opposed to just being an animated character. Although the majority of it was CG, the camera picked up all my movement using motion capture. I play him as if he's a junkie and his fix is the ring – he goes cold turkey when he's not near it. He's a compulsive liar, he talks to himself – he's psychologically damaged by the desire to possess the ring – and I've tried to make him as human as possible in that way...As Gollum depletes into this emaciated creature, he goes from looking like me through a prosthetic transformation into the CG image, which is unrecognisable. It was quite a liberating experience. He's a split personality, Smeagol and Gollum, and I have two voices for the two different characters, with internal dialogues between them".

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[media_man]

That sounds perfect, CSM, but it is what purists/fans of LOTR expect after all. Without the human element (or at least some snippet of believability to draw the viewer in), then no film can be a success. Look at Spider Man. Without the totally believable human element its just more CGI bullshit. We've seen the tricks. Now give us what we want. Storyline and character development. You know PJ will deliver, however, no worries there.

On a side note, SPOILER:

if Haldir really dies, then I say good riddance! No Elf Captain of the Golden Wood should have a double chin. Ya donut-eatin' bastard, ya!

[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scorchlord:
Attack of the Clones sucked ass and doesn't deserve the amounts of money it will probably get. Fuck Star Wars.</font>


Did anyone ever doubt you'd hate the movie??? You've hated it since March!!

[jsa1971]

To me, ANY STAR WARS FILM = ANY LORD OF THE RINGS FILM = BOTH GREAT SAGAS. End of equation.

[BarkingSparrow]

So it looks like I'll be buying both the Aug 6th DVD edition (which will include a 10-minute *something* about TTT), and one of the Nov 12th special extended editions.

Looks like the 'regular' special edition will go for around $30-$35, the collector's version looks to be around $60-$70. Those Argonath statutes sure look nice though, I gotta have those.

November is going to be hard on my wallet: Spiderman, Star Wars Ep 2, Ice Age, Men in Black 2, and the special edition of LOTR all coming out that month.

[ak]

I won't be buying the August release of the film on DVD, for the simple fact that it'll be a waste of money.

I know it will have some excellent features, I don't doubt that for a second, but I won't even watch the dvd much once I've had it, and I'd get bored of the film up until the November release, which will kind of take the exciting edge away for that release.

I'm not into buying films just for the collection purpose, I'll definately be buying the more worthy second disk set. Plus, The Two Towers will be released about a month after that release, which will get me more excited.

Obviously, I'll be renting the first edition though.

[This message has been edited by ak (edited 06-08-2002).]

[Scorchlord]

I've rightly hated it since March, Horror. Because it sucks.

Seeing it only helped to hammer that point home, and like I've said so many times; if you think that's good filmmaking, you're a fucking moron.

And we know you fall into that category.

[Horror whore]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Scorchlord:
I've rightly hated it since March, Horror. Because it sucks.

Seeing it only helped to hammer that point home, and like I've said so many times; if you think that's good filmmaking, you're a fucking moron.

And we know you fall into that category.</font>


I liked it, so your calling me a fucking moron?

(P.S.-I think we should get back to TTT http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif)

[Tuukka]

Scorchlord, you just just called Horror Whore a "fucking moron", which violates the number one rule of the board. Hopefully you won't intend to do so again.

Just for a record, I also liked AOTC. I think it's an obviously flawed film artistically, but as a no-brainer popcorn entertainment it delivered all I wanted from it. Good fun, nothing more. And that's what most people want from movies anyway, just good fun.

Anyway, does anyone have any idea when the new TTT trailer is coming? It was supposed to be out on May, but nothing ever came.

[ak]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tuukka:
Anyway, does anyone have any idea when the new TTT trailer is coming? It was supposed to be out on May, but nothing ever came.</font>

Would they dare leave it until august? Goldmember is out then, and it's a NewLine production.

Perhaps not, so I should expect it will be out this month sometime.
It'll probably me attached to a big film.

[Horror whore]

I'm thinking it'll be attached to MINORITY REPORT, it's got to be the biggest release in June...

[ak]

I've been trying to remember the time that the trailers came out for The Fellowship Of The Ring last year, but my mind has gone blank.

I know for certain that no trailer The Two Towers has to offer will give me such a spine-tingling experience as the very first internet teaser for Fellowship did. God, it was an amazing experience.

[Movie Hunter]

I agree with ya AK ...the first and the second FOTR trailer were amazing ...i for one think that LOTR:TTT will be released on august...By the time the dvd will..

THATS WHAT I THINK

M.H http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Clb2kgb28]

Lord of the Rings The fellowship of the Ring won for Best Movie at the MTV Movie awards. If you hadn't heard about it already

[APzombie]

well, if you want to know about Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring Uncut DVD visit the dvd section- http://www.joblo.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/001484.html

I absolutley loved the movie and i can't wait for Two Towers http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[jsa1971]

Even though the price is 80 smackeroons, I am going to wait for the November set. It is a one time thing, so I might as well get the best...........

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

If you pre-order the DVD from New Line, you get like, 15 dollars off, or something like that. As for the Limited Edition SE DVD; I think it is more than worth it. Fellowship with an extra half an hour, tons of extras, the really nice packaging for the DVD itself, that little diorama and the Pillar bookends, the trading cards, and the National Geographic DVD - I cant wait.

[JoBlo]

Scorchlord:

I sent you an email at your current email address of scorchlord@hotmail.com and it bounced back. Please send me a note so that I could speak to you. It's to note that everyone's email address should be in working order as well.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

Well, I saw this at TORn, and thought I would post it; it is a link to a FOX news story that says, "Now that Star Wars has come back so big," my source tells me, "Jackson wants to make sure he can outdo it."

Here is the full article:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,54916,00.html

Maybe its just me, but I think FOX is a little bitter about the critical success of this film with both fans, critics, and the general public. So, maybe SW will make more money (probably not considering the B.O. as of now) but who cares?

[Horror whore]

You make it sound like someone from FOX said: "Now that Star Wars has come back so big," my source tells me, "Jackson wants to make sure he can outdo it." But someone told FOX that. Your making FOX sound like the bad guy when they're just stating the rumors...