Blair Witch 2

[Derek_Zaks]

I just finished watching Book of Shadows, I found it pretty cool. It's very different from the first one, it's more similar to In the mouth of madness, or Event Horizon.

Anyway, at the end of the movie there is a short featurette, with letters that pop up on the screen, and if you read them backwards, they spell out words. The words spell out scenes where freaky thngs happen in the background. Did anyone happen to find these scenes?

[Rainyfool]

I found one on the tombstone at the beginning where the goth chick is laying on it. All that happens is the from a name (sorry I forget what it was) to "Further". Beats me what the means.

[Jewbo]

it got some bad reviews but i thought it was a cool movie. and that chick was kinda hot.

[misfits859]

I actually thought it was kinda spooky which is what horror movies are all about. Just don't expect many similarities between it and the first one.

[Emo]

When i first watched this movie I expected it to be as terrible as the first one
lucky for me, it was actually a great movie http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Jewbo]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Emo:
When i first watched this movie I expected it to be as terrible as the first one
lucky for me, it was actually a great movie http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif</font>

the first one was great.

[Freddy is God]

Yeah, no one ever seems to bash BW2 (which really is a great movie), but when it comes to the original, only a very small amount of people really saw the beauty of it. I was lucky enough to be one of those people (I have not met a single person my age - 15 - who did not hate it, and that's not an exaggeration).

[Emo]

Now it might have been scary for people who have a fear of trees or teenager's faces, but since those don't scare me.......I didn't like it.

[misfits859]

So much of part 1 was left to the viewers imagination. It wasn't, in my opinion, that the campers were lost in the woods, it was that they simply couldn't get out because of the witches spell. The scene where they were fleeing from the tent in the middle of the night and the scene where the two entered the old house looking for their companion are two of the spookier scenes in recent horror films, I think.

[Elgyn]

I like both movies, though I think "Book Of Shadows" is definetly the better of the two. Here are some more "freaky scenes" dude.
-Near the beginning, when Tristan is having the dream about drowning the baby in the river, watch the SURFACE of the water near the upper right-hand side of the screen.
-When they first all go to the woods, look for the scene where Erica (the Wiccan) starts talking about "communing" with the Witch. While Erica is talking, she lays down on the ground. When they show her laying on the ground talking, look DIRECTLY to the LEFT of her - in the green flowers/grass. There is a word hidden there (it`s kinda like a 'seeing eye' picture). Once you`ve noticed it, it seems obvious.
-The words on the tombstone, which someone already mentioned.
-I`m guessing there are much more I haven`t found. Let me know if you`ve spotted any others.

[Elektra]

I liked both Blair Witch 1 and 2, but Book of Shadows is definitely the best. Plus, Jeffrey Donovan is pretty hot http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Anyway, here are some of the ESREVERs to watch out for:

-When they're at the campsite and Erica is lighting a cigarette for Kim, press pause and go frame-by-frame. You'll find the word 'Seek' written in the fire.
-When Stephen is looking for Erica and goes through a mint green door, press pause and go frame-by-frame as he's walking through the door and you'll see the face of a little boy on the door. It looks like he has no eyes. *shudders*
-When Cravens is questioning Jeff and he walks around him, watch the mirror behind Cravens. Instead of seeing the back of his head, the mirror reflects a skull looking right at you.

[Elgyn]

Whoa, thanks man, I didn`t notice any of those!

[Brock Landers]

Here's my thoughts... I totally dug this flick... http://www.joblo.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[SteveSzyk]

I enjoyed the movie. I love mindfuck movies, and this is no exception. It really fucked with my mind, and the ending was outrageous. I was so confused! AWESOME FLICK!

B+

[Lindsey]

Well finally most of you actually like this film! Some of you were mad at me because I loved this movie. One of the best movies of 2000!

[The Clown]

I loved BW2. I got attached to the charatcters and the acting was surprisingly good. But i'm still not sure about the ending. It was just some wild drunken orgy involving them killing people right?

[Elgyn]

Clown - basically yes, but it`s not clear whether they did it all because they were totally messed-up and crazy, or if the Witch had control over them. IMO, I think it was the latter.

[Great Cthulhu]

Well according to a Wiccan friend of mine, part of the ceremony they go through on the videotapes is similar to actual Wiccan ceremonies. So whether they just did it based on what Erica told them about Wicca, or by the actual witch controlling them, is the question. I've also heard somewhere that you can see an extra person in the scene at one frame, but I've never found it.

[Elgyn]

An extra person? Hmmm that`s interesting.

[James_Sully_Sullivan]

The hidden images are KEWL! i'll tell ya the ones i remember:

-In the tombstone at the beggining, the world "Treacle" is changed for "Further" for a second.
-There is a point where two characters having diner or something and the window is foggy, you can picture the word "NO" and a blair witch logo.
-When the girl dressed in black goes into the store, there is a man fixing something and his tools are in the shape of a blair witch logo.
-The face of the interrogator changes in the mirror reflection...
-there are far too many, those are the ones I remember.

[dellamorte dellamore]

It definitely gives you something to talk about,but it does'nt translate into an entertaining movie,they just come across as cheap tricks.Anyone can arrange certain objects in a film to spell something out,or use an image in just one frame to conceal a certain message.It was used in subliminal advertising decades ago.What's the purpose?Is it supposed to add up to anything?Or is the director just trying to be clever?


I think he was just trying to be clever.


More sightings:

The locks on the storage lockers in the warehouse are in the shape of a pentagram.


There's an image on the rug when the Wicca chick is chanting,can't make it out though.


When the lady with the blonde hair decides to wade into the Lake,you see blood and a dead infant is seen breaking through the surface.I guess it was a result of her miscarriage.


The mechanic in the store that someone reffered to is there when the goth first walks in but disappears in the next scene.


Like i said,what does it all mean,i listened to the directors commentary and i don't even think he knows.All he said essentially was that everything on video actually happened,every scene on film were hallucinations.Something like that.

[chinton]

To Dellmorte Dellanore

Your not what supposed to know what it means. The director left it up to you to decide what happened. Do David Lynch movies ever make sense.

[dellamorte dellamore]

It should still have some sort of rhyme or reason.All it was was a collection of somewhat clever tricks with objects,and frame manipulation.It's a copout,and i'm glad it's not the norm for horror films.He disgraced the franchise and that's why the directors from the first one don't want anything to do with it.


Anyone can put a couple of objects together,it's a cheap trick to get people interested.Maybe if they actually concentrated on creating an actual story,and investigated the Blair Witch myth a little further,i could have enjoyed this.A sequel is supposed to have elements from the previous film plus it's supposed to expand the narrative.This was just a spoof of the first one,an insult.

The first was suspenseful,tense,creepy,subtle.The second was in your face,loud,cliched,and about as scary as gizmo from gremlins.

BW1 created an extremely realistic environment,a sense of dread,and utilized natural(for the most part)sounds to convey the doomed college students fear.BW 2 relied on violent cut scenes,unconvincing set pieces,and the sound was obviously recorded in a studio.The sound was a huge reason the first one worked,it was vital.You could watch part 2 on mute and it would'nt make a difference.


The film is horrendous,it's an insult to the fans of the first,and the creators also.What was the problem with filming the same way in the second,there was no reason to make it a traditional horror film,there plenty of those out there,stick with the winning formula.Let some poor,naive college kids go back in the woods to see what happened to the first,and let all hell break loose again.Nope we have to appease the scream generation and make a slick studio produced unoriginal,shot on a soundstage horror film,with a blaring rock soundtrack.


What could have been.Shows you what happens when you sign a contract with a studio,the independent spirit is squashed.

And what was the deal with the Japanese tourists.Can you get anymore cliched than that?Wow that must have looked funny in the script.Maybe it would have been if that joke was'nt beat to death in the 70's and 80's.

[Jo-Jo]

It should still have some sort of rhyme or reason.All it was was a collection of somewhat clever tricks with objects,and frame manipulation.It's a copout,and i'm glad it's not the norm for horror films.He disgraced the franchise and that's why the directors from the first one don't want anything to do with it.

Let's stop right here. The creators of the first film had no objection to the hiring of Berlinger to direct this film. This was his first feature after being a documentary film maker. As for the tricks that "disgrased the franchise", did anyone even know about them until the movie came out on video? I paid to see this film in theatre and I loved it. I bought it on video and DVD because I enjoyed it much more than the original. Don't take that as a slam on the original either which I paid to see in theatre 3 times and I also own on VHS and DVD.


Anyone can put a couple of objects together,it's a cheap trick to get people interested.Maybe if they actually concentrated on creating an actual story,and investigated the Blair Witch myth a little further,i could have enjoyed this.A sequel is supposed to have elements from the previous film plus it's supposed to expand the narrative.This was just a spoof of the first one,an insult.

This is your opinion, and you're welcome to it. Sequels do often have elements of the original, and BW2 does as well. It discusses the first movie, it has the woods, the witch and the legend and takes them in a different direction. They go into detail about Elly Kedward and what led up to her becoming the "Blair Witch".

The first was suspenseful,tense,creepy,subtle.The second was in your face,loud,cliched,and about as scary as gizmo from gremlins.

Again, your opinion and I would beg to differ. I think BW2 was creepier and more mentally disturbing than the first film which was pretty obvious as to what happened. When I finish watching BW2 I was left with a stange feeling that was stronger than that left by the final frames of the original. I knew the fates of Heather, Mike and Josh, but in BW2, the questions are all left unanswered and I think it's better that way.

BW1 created an extremely realistic environment,a sense of dread,and utilized natural(for the most part)sounds to convey the doomed college students fear.BW 2 relied on violent cut scenes,unconvincing set pieces,and the sound was obviously recorded in a studio.The sound was a huge reason the first one worked,it was vital.You could watch part 2 on mute and it would'nt make a difference.

I have to disagree with you on some of that. The original had great sound and no musical score which made the film what it was. If you listen to the audio commentary on the BW2 DVD you'll find out that the studio re-edited the film and put the bloody cuts in. Don't fault the director for that. The director also had a different soundtrack that was more subtle. Even if you dislike the film as much as you say you do, give it a listen and see if you can get a little bit more respect for this flick.


The film is horrendous,it's an insult to the fans of the first,and the creators also.What was the problem with filming the same way in the second,there was no reason to make it a traditional horror film,there plenty of those out there,stick with the winning formula.Let some poor,naive college kids go back in the woods to see what happened to the first,and let all hell break loose again.Nope we have to appease the scream generation and make a slick studio produced unoriginal,shot on a soundstage horror film,with a blaring rock soundtrack.

Again, I have to disagree with you wholeheartedly. The directors and a large portion of the fans were very adiment that the sequel NOT be shot the same way as the original in an attempt to keep the story fresh. The "shakey cam" became a running joke in the industry and was copied and spoofed. If BW2 had gone back was a duplicate of the original it would have been laughed at as unoriginal. BW2 was an original film that took a fresh look as the material set out in the original and the "Curse of the Blair Witch" documentary. The original cut of the film, which the director talks about in his commentary is much different than the film that was released and would have been more of a mind fuck than that released by the studio. If anything, it is the anti-scream clone.


What could have been.Shows you what happens when you sign a contract with a studio,the independent spirit is squashed.

Even though I'd love to see a directors cut, I'm quite happy with the film that the "evil" studio released. I'm sure the originators are having a hard time sleeping with their matresses full of money.


And what was the deal with the Japanese tourists.Can you get anymore cliched than that?Wow that must have looked funny in the script.Maybe it would have been if that joke was'nt beat to death in the 70's and 80's.

Yeah, the tourists were cliche, but would it have been different if they were from anywhere else in the world? What if they were Canadians and said "EH?" as every other word? I could care less. As a last point, I think you ran out of steam.

Anyhow, I respect you opinions, and I can understand your problems with this film. All I ask is that you rent the DVD, listen to the commentary and see if you can enjoy the film a little more.

[This message has been edited by Jo-Jo (edited 03-07-2002).]

[dellamorte dellamore]

I did rent it and i listened to Berlinger's pathetic attempts at defending this disaster.Yes,he's an intelligent,insightful director,but he he dropped the ball this time,and dropped it hard.Is this what the fans wanted?I'm a huge fan,and i knew once a studio got their hands on it,they would standardize it for mainstream audiences.


Hello?the first one was succesful mainly because it was such a departure from any other horror film anyone has ever seen,a striking original.And it was filmed in a maverick,non traditional manner,genius.This is what we get for the sequel,i'm sorry but the way the first one ended left it open for a sequel,an expansion of the Legend,not a satire of.


I don't want an examination of the hysteria surrounding the first film and the Legend of the BW,i want to explore what happened to the first 3,another group goes in with a camcorder and 16 mm and is terrorized for real by the directors,leave them on the edge of their seat,don't let them know what to expect next.

No soundstage,no studio,no makeup,no script,all improv.That was the beauty of the first one,it's raw,bold,realistic style.The second was uninspired,lazy,and cynical.And when you start to become self referential,you know you're getting desperate.


People can defend it all they want,and i guess if want a polished,slick looking,cheap trick filled embarassment like BW2 then you can't go wrong with this.

If you want something genuinely frightening,original,realistic,intriguing,not insulting to your intelligence,and groundbreaking,stick with the first one,a classic.The second does'nt even come close.

Plus,as i said before,the effective use of sound is what truly put the first over the top.amazing stuff.Berlinger,please,go back to making real documentaries,it's what you're good at,stay away from horror,ok?

[Jo-Jo]

DD- I'm glad that you're a follower of the original, but take into account all of the Blair Witch haters that will never see anything related to the series because they couldn't stand the first one. If the sequel had been THE SAME MOVIE as the first, only with three film students with mouths that would make sailors blush, I know that I would have rolled my eyes and those people who HATED the first film would have even more ammo to use against this franchise.

I consider Curse of the Blair Witch, The Blair Witch Project, The Burkettsville 7, and Book of Shadows all very good pieces of film that continue the myth and mystique of the Blair Witch and I look forward to new "documentaries" like The Curse and B-7 and the third film in the series, no matter what form it takes.

As of right now, it looks like a motion picture prequel that looks at the life of Elly Kedward. Please don't hate it just because it's not shakey cam.

[Elgyn]

I don`t even think there`s much of an arguement here.
The sequel was LEAGUES better.
The first movie was good.....the *first time you see it*. After that, it`s kinda dull.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I definitely did'nt hate it as much as i make it seem,but i was definitely disappointed.None of the elements that made the original so entertaining and intriguing were absent.


All you have to do is look at the box office(not always a clear indicator of actual merit)and you can see i was'nt the only one that was letdown.They had a chance to make something great instead they played it safe.The 3rd should be good,but i think the franchise is lukewarm at this point,with only a few diehard fans left.

I really thought these guys were going to be the next great thing,they fell and fell hard.