Powder(1995) a rant

[Bloodybitch13]

I can't believe Disney did this! Hiering Victor Salva a convicted child molestor a pedophile! He should have been anywhere near those kids. What the fu#k is wrong with the Disney company?

Another complaint I checked out imdb and none of the reviewers seemed to care about this at all.

See for yourself: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0114168

What are your thoughts?

[Grebdron]

Can't just point the finger at one man. How about Woody Allen and Roman Polanski? Or do you like their movies?

[Rated R]

Whether or not he was a child molestor(I know he was) does not make it right to condemn a film because of it. I did not enjoy powder but it was not because of who directed it. If I enjoyed a movie, and later discovered that the writer, director, producer or what not was a child molestor, murderer or what have you, I would not change my mind about the film. I would not respect the person involved in such an act, but the film is a completely separate thing. I can understand how you feel about this, but I don't agree one bit. Why should anyone care about that, he should be in jail yes, unless he has corrected his ways, but quality of a film is not determined by the quality of the person creating it.

[idealdiscountdude]

I liked the movie Powder, and I could really care less if the man who directed were a pedophile or not.

Really, what he did was in the past, before he made the film. Everybody deserves a second chance IMO, he paid for his mistake.

Also, I bet my left nut that a good percentage of those in showbusiness have been involved in some sort of criminal activity at one point in their careers.

[Ronaldinho]

To be fair to Disney, I don't think his criminal record was common knowledge until after the film's release.

[El Bracamonti]

all i have to say is that i really liked powder. i thought it was a great movie, and that's all that matters to me/ i'm not just gonna dislike a movie because a person associated with it did some sick things. it doesn't change whether or not the movie was good.

[Dumb-Fokker-**]

...this movie was grrrreat!!! I don't know why, but I have always liked this movie. I enjoy it every single time. I do have oneminor complaint, however - Powder isn't supposed to be able to grow hair on his body, BUT,...he still has eye-lashes.

[Big Pudge]

i never saw POWDER, but i did see JEEPERS CREEPERS and i loved it (which is why i am waiting for the sequal to it)

but i think salva corrected his ways, he is very open about his wrong doings in the past, but he did the crime... he did the time.. now he is making movies that people enjoy.

[Bloodybitch13]

What makes me mad was that with Powder he was working around kids when he shouldn't have been anywhere near them! I don't think pedophiles should be given a second chance around kids. I mean he did it before,how do you know he won't do it again? And by seeing his movies you're putting money into the pockets of a criminal. I DID see Powder did ya notice the butt shots? And how bout that scene where the teacher is stroking Powder's head? It looked totaly inapropriate. Pedophiles can't change. It's like giving a rapist a second chance. You wouldn't want a rapist to get a second chance would you?

I said it before and I'll say it again: That asshole should be kept as far away from kids as possible.

[BubbaStrangelove]

i think the problem has less to do with Disney, and more to do with the US Justice System


I understand background checks for many jobs, but to make a movie, you can't do that, or no movies would get made.

[ParileseMonster]

OMG not again, this is going to turn into some nightmare, I am just glad this forum was choosen and not the Horror forum where it once was. I understand this is a rant but I must say to everyone to think about commenting on anything with a high level of controversy. Remember the respect rule we have all agreed upon because with a topic like this it is easy to get into a full fledged riot. I am only saying this because it has happened before with other subjects including Victor Salva.

[freakandgeek]

Originally posted by Big Pudge
i never saw POWDER, but i did see JEEPERS CREEPERS and i loved it (which is why i am waiting for the sequal to it)

but i think salva corrected his ways, he is very open about his wrong doings in the past, but he did the crime... he did the time.. now he is making movies that people enjoy.

do you know when the sequal is coming out? i loved jeepers creepers and i'd like to see a 2nd one:D

[kiwihitman]

I still havn't seen any of victor's films so i can't really judge him on an artistic point of view but on a personal one he seems like quite a perverted man.

[studlyhorrorbuf]

Originally posted by Bloodybitch13
What makes me mad was that with Powder he was working around kids when he shouldn't have been anywhere near them! I don't think pedophiles should be given a second chance around kids. I mean he did it before,how do you know he won't do it again? And by seeing his movies you're putting money into the pockets of a criminal. I DID see Powder did ya notice the butt shots? And how bout that scene where the teacher is stroking Powder's head? It looked totaly inapropriate. Pedophiles can't change. It's like giving a rapist a second chance. You wouldn't want a rapist to get a second chance would you?

I said it before and I'll say it again: That asshole should be kept as far away from kids as possible.

First off, Bloodybitch13, take a chill pill! First off, in "Powder," there were no kids in the movie. That was a very realistic, fake baby at the begginning of the scene. There were no kids in his film. Nor was anybody underage used. Haven't you heard that it is common for casting of movies to get actors who look younger than they really are? That was the case with "Powder." Don't believe me, check out all the actors and actresses at the internet movie data base for this film for their rightful ages at the time this film was being shot. Or you can go to this link also, www.vachss.com/mission/disney.html (http://www.vachss.com/mission/disney.html) . One of the archive articles that was printed when "Powder" came out confirmed that all actors were over eightteen. I assure you that those "kids" could legally be in a XXX porno film if they wanted to choose that kind of work.

I do totally agree that Salva is perverted though, and he never lets you forget that in his films. Such as the controversial, homoerotic scenes in "Powder." Shirtless adlolescents and a very gratuitous butt shot of the lead in the overrated (IMHO) "Clownhouse." *****SPOILER****** In "Jeeper Creepers" the the male lead gets his undies sniffed. Let's not forget about what the Creeper does with the decapitated cop's head. Salva, judging him solely as a filmmaker, is average at best. It is sad these days, that I am so desperate to see a good quality horror film that I was willing to forgive and overlook that fact that he once molested somebody. Turned out after months of hype, "Jeepers Creepers" was just an average horror film. I will give Salva this, he did get me with a few good scares.

I am sure that many people in the movie industry have done something illegal or immoral at one time or another. I don't know aboiut today, but in the past many screenwriters were convicts who perfected their craft by having a lot of time on their hands in their cells. I wonder what people would think if they knew about "saintly" Walt Disney's private life like I do. I read how he had some shady dealings with the Mishputka (Jewish Maggia). I wonder when Geoge Lucas dies will there be a "dark side" exposed about him in the New Age conspiracy section of your local bookstore. I can't believe what I read about what Don SImpson did for kicks. No, I am not talking about sniffing cocaine with his producing buddie. I have learned to seperate and judge the art and the maker seperately.

Bet anyone doesn't know this well guarded secret about the Bond film's creator. If you ever read the Fleming Bond books you will learn that the author is somewhat racist. He does not think Albanians are a bunch of beautiful people. He has a low opnion of black people. In his book, "Live And Let Die," through Bond, he would always note how Black people could be capable of such villiany or have such intelligence. In other words, Fleming did not think that black people were that bright. This proves what somebody said in a "Jeepers Creepers" talk back at Ain't It Cool News web site, that there are a ton of artists that were bad people as well. Just enjoy them for the art they put out. I mean watching or reading a bad person's work of art is not condoning it any more than reading a poem by T.S. Hinton is condoning anti-Semitism. Hope I have been of some help Bloodybitch13. Any ways Studly Horror Buff out.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Flemming too?

Why do these guy's names sound like stuff that comes out of my mouth?

Sorry just wanted to make the Salva-Flemming joke.

[Negrotigre]

Pudge'
Tell me, what did you like about Jeepers Creepers? It's on my list as the WORST MOVIE OF ALL TIME! I cannot think of a single thing I liked about the film. What was it that sparked your continued interest?

[Negrotigre]

In the alternate universe that is hollywood, being a child molestor is no longer a crime.

[Romero&Juliet]

Originally posted by ParileseMonster
OMG not again, this is going to turn into some nightmare, I am just glad this forum was choosen and not the Horror forum where it once was. I understand this is a rant but I must say to everyone to think about commenting on anything with a high level of controversy. Remember the respect rule we have all agreed upon because with a topic like this it is easy to get into a full fledged riot. I am only saying this because it has happened before with other subjects including Victor Salva.

yeah, the great Salva Debate has gotten Bloody before.

[rushmore beauty]

Powder (6/10) was a strange film...

[Negrotigre]

Studly,
Being a bad person in general is not the equivalant of one who rapes young boys. That is a whole different level of evil.

El Negro

[Fettdog]

Originally posted by Negrotigre
In the alternate universe that is hollywood, being a child molestor is no longer a crime.

Yeah, just look at Michael Jackson - if he were anyone else social services would rescue his poor kids faster than he could say "nosejob". I hate this man with a passion and sincerely hope his plastic-surgery-ridden head collapses in on itself! Grrrr.

[Razorblade Smile]

Originally posted by Bloodybitch13
I can't believe Disney did this! Hiering Victor Salva a convicted child molestor a pedophile! He should have been anywhere near those kids. What the fu#k is wrong with the Disney company?

Another complaint I checked out imdb and none of the reviewers seemed to care about this at all.

See for yourself: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0114168

What are your thoughts?

Can't say I'm really all that surprised. Disney lets convicted sex offenders work in their theme parks, so why wouldn't they allow one to direct a movie.

[Jim H]

"He should have been anywhere near those kids"

What kids? The guy playing Powder was 30. Lindsey was 21. Were there younger kids? The youngest actor I could find was 18 at the time of the movie's production.

"I can't believe Disney did this!"

Disney didn't know and later made some statement about it. Disney is an awful company though, it's not like they would actually care they had a child molestor making money for them - they just care that if someone finds out it could hurt their image.

"Another complaint I checked out imdb and none of the reviewers seemed to care about this at all."

What difference does it make what the director is like? Would you say the same thing watching Baretta now? Or the Naked Gun films?

"I don't think pedophiles should be given a second chance around kids."

Do you also think murderers should not be allowed another chance AT ALL? Thieves shouldn't be allowed around anything of value either, right? Drunk drives - no cars. And rapists should, of course, not be allowed near the sex(s) that they rape.

I understand your sentiment in this regard though, definetly.

"Pedophiles can't change. It's like giving a rapist a second chance. You wouldn't want a rapist to get a second chance would you?"

While pedophiles (people as a whole, point in fact) rarely actually change their internal sexual preferences, it does sometimes happen. I don't know if this is the case with Salva or not, or whether he is just repressing his desires very successfully. And as for rapists - I would give them another chance. The legal system obviously does.

"i think the problem has less to do with Disney, and more to do with the US Justice Syste"

What's the problem with our justice system? Well, ok, it is screwed up in many ways. But Salva went to jail for a number of years and then had a number of years of probation. I know many people want a big S burned into sex offender's foreheads, but this is not going to happen.

Honestly, I think the whole "Criminal background checks" thing needs to be changed. Do they WANT ex-cons to commit more crimes? This is the only conclusion I can reach based on how things work now.

"Being a bad person in general is not the equivalant of one who rapes young boys."

Did Salva co-erce the kid in question? I thought he was a non-violent sex offender. I don't really know in all honesty though. I do make a distinction between an unwilling and willing abusee, even though that line is much more faint the younger the child is.

[Razorblade Smile]

Okay, let me start by saying that I in NO WAY support anything that Salva has done.

But to play Devil's advocate, the man HAS gone to jail. He has served his time and paid his dues. This doesn't erase what he has done in the past, but the US justice system feels that his punishment has been served. That being the case, he can't be re-penalized on top of it.

Denying him the ability to make movies would be an injustice against his civil liberties not unlike the injustice that he himself committed against minor(s). Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Jim H]

"That being the case, he can't be re-penalized on top of it. "

This is EXACTLY what our legal system does to ALL criminals. Have you ever seen Les Miserables? Remember the scenes after he gets out of jail, and it is literally impossible to get a job or for anyone to even take him in? We're not really that far from this.

Yes, they CAN get jobs (and in cases of longer imprisonment, the government often helps them get one, which is great), but they get far worse and lower paying ones, in general - and it is a lot harder to find them. Does the government WANT them to relapse? Our current system seems setup that way. They go to a jail, often with harder criminals then themselves, sometimes get treated terribly by fellow inmates and are often taught new tricks of the trade on the inside, then when they get out can only get bad jobs which barely support them, if even that.




I play Devil's Advocate really a lot, heh.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Jim H
"That being the case, he can't be re-penalized on top of it. "

This is EXACTLY what our legal system does to ALL criminals. Have you ever seen Les Miserables? Remember the scenes after he gets out of jail, and it is literally impossible to get a job or for anyone to even take him in? We're not really that far from this.

Yes, they CAN get jobs (and in cases of longer imprisonment, the government often helps them get one, which is great), but they get far worse and lower paying ones, in general - and it is a lot harder to find them. Does the government WANT them to relapse? Our current system seems setup that way. They go to a jail, often with harder criminals then themselves, sometimes get treated terribly by fellow inmates and are often taught new tricks of the trade on the inside, then when they get out can only get bad jobs which barely support them, if even that.




I play Devil's Advocate really a lot, heh.

So we should coddle them, and cater to them? Maybe once a rapist or pedophile gets out, we should set him up in a nice condo, and give him a cushy government job. Maybe that would keep his dick in his pants.

[Jim H]

No. They should be treated as someone who did something terrible, and paid for it. They shouldn't be treated worse or better after they get out. While they're on probation it is different of course, as they're still being punished. I just don't approve of life long brands, but then I'm more forgiving then most I guess.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Jim H
No. They should be treated as someone who did something terrible, and paid for it. They shouldn't be treated worse or better after they get out. While they're on probation it is different of course, as they're still being punished. I just don't approve of life long brands, but then I'm more forgiving then most I guess.

I think it depends. In this thread we're pretty much talking about pedophiles and rapists. It has been shown over and over that pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated. They should, in my opinion, never get out. But since that won't happen, they should be monitered for the rest of their miserable fucking lives. With violent crimes, and sex crimes, the recidivism rate is excessive. A lifelong brand is usually warranted.

[bowieee]

Oh no. This subject is up to bat again here I go...

I think that salva has more of a right to make movies then Woody Allen or Roman Polanski. Salva has served his time. Woody is still hsleeping with his adopted daughter and Polanksi just fled the country never to return. Now what Salva did was disgusting but keep in mind most pedophiles are sick. It was done to them so they mirror that behavior. That is not an excuse mind you I still think they should be severely punished.

I work at a center for abused and neglected children. The main one for san diego county. pretty much every abused child in San Diego county passes through our doors on the way to placement. I've seen the damage abuse does and I definetly don't advocate it. But after serving prison time, getting therapy I don't think we should remove someones creative outlet. I believe Salva should never be around any actor under the age of 18 while he directs but I still think he should be able to do his art.

I used to be from the school of "All child Molesters should be burned alive". While working in the teen boys cottage at my work I worked with teenage pedophiles that did their time in juvinale hall and were going to therapy all the time to try to fix the damage that was done to them by the person that abused them. Alot for the most part I hope broke the cycle. This changed my whole view point. I believe a child molester should be punished, the fact he is was convicted of a sex crime should be public knowledge, but don't take away their art. It helps them deal with their demons.

Now Woody Allen is shamefull. He still is laying down abuse on his foster daughter even though its under the guise of a "relationship". The thought of the kids at my center being discharged to foster parents who would later sleep with them sickens me. Now if allen said he was wrong and made some sort of effort to leave the situation then I would think a little higher of the man but thats not coming any time soon. So the allen boycott continues for me.

Polanski ditched out on his punishment and fled and married another underage girl in Europe. I understand he went through alot with Charles Manson slaughtering his wife but still he needs to pay for his crimes. The polanski boycott continues.

The moral of my thread. Salva faced up and did the time for his crime if wanted to or not. So to me he has more of a right to work than either other director above.

[silentasylum]

i think if thats true then the same the same law that makes prior child molesters to let their communities know about their pior convictions then a studio should do a better job of telling us this, if he has gone to jail and treatment then fine but they shouldnt keep it a secret that way the audience is able to make an educated opinion about whether or not to watch his films if i had know this before i dont think i would have watched jeepers creepers.

[Jim H]

" I've seen the damage abuse does and I definetly don't advocate it."

Does ANYONE here advocate it? I'd be a bit worried if so... ;p

Oh yes, on Woody Allen.. I don't remember exactly, how old was when it started? It does make a difference, at least to me, even when the age difference is that extreme. I thought she was someting like 16, but I was very young when it happened.

And she's by far old enough to make decisions on her own now, so I take that as evidence that it was probably not an abusive relationship in character. That might be a nieve standpoint though, but hey.

[Audioslave]

Don't you guys ever get sickened tired of talking about this? Oh my god, these arguments are getting old. I don't think we need to know anymore about it. Do you guys think your opinions are going to stop Salva from directing more movies? He did his time, he admits that he did something that was wrong and he shouldn't have done it in the first place. Just let the damn thing go, you guys are still fighting about something that is almost twenty years old. He's still making movies and you can't do anything to change that.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by Audioslave
Don't you guys ever get sickened tired of talking about this? Oh my god, these arguments are getting old. I don't think we need to know anymore about it. Do you guys think your opinions are going to stop Salva from directing more movies? He did his time, he admits that he did something that was wrong and he shouldn't have done it in the first place. Just let the damn thing go, you guys are still fighting about something that is almost twenty years old. He's still making movies and you can't do anything to change that.

No, but you can RANT about it in the RANT forum of a MOVIE board. And discuss it.

[bowieee]

Originally posted by Grebdron
No, but you can RANT about it in the RANT forum of a MOVIE board. And discuss it.

Amen brother..
*Cues church organ* :)

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by Audioslave
Don't you guys ever get sickened tired of talking about this? Oh my god, these arguments are getting old. I don't think we need to know anymore about it. Do you guys think your opinions are going to stop Salva from directing more movies? He did his time, he admits that he did something that was wrong and he shouldn't have done it in the first place. Just let the damn thing go, you guys are still fighting about something that is almost twenty years old. He's still making movies and you can't do anything to change that.


Don't you guys ever get sick and tired of talking about this? Oh my god, these arguments are getting old. I don't think we need to know anymore about it. Do you guys think your opinions are going to stop schmoes from talking about Salva? They've heard the arguements before, and already know they can't stop the pervert from directing. Just let the damn thing go. You guys are still fighting to oppress a 20 year old topic of discussion. They will still talk about Salva and you can't do anything to change that.

[ParileseMonster]

Sure it's a rant but its old and tired an nobody likes a skipped cd to be playing after awhile! Start a new attack with a new host and drop this Victor crap. Rant about other perverts or weather or not that guy from The Who is guilty or not, or if Diana Ross has a drug problem or something. Have the same rant just a different Host, something fresh, its stagnate in here!:p