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fryman_3000
11-01-2002, 08:43 PM
http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/news/oct02/180.html

Well, let the discussion commence! :)

dh1989
11-01-2002, 10:52 PM
The frist track is entitled The Foundations of Stone. This may confirm my guess that TTT begins with Frodo and Sam going through Emyn Muil. The Taming of Smeagol is definetly Gollum, Frodo, and Sam. I think the first appearance of Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas will be signified in track three, The Riders of Rohan. I am disappointed Enya won't perform again, I thought May It Be was moving and it was Oscar nominated. I must say the tracks I most anticipate are #'s 10 and 19 because I really want to hear the themes for Treebeard and the Ents and Gollum. When I read the track title Samwise The Brave, I thought for a split second of Shelob and the blinding, but then I recalled he was in ROTK. Anywho, thank you fryman_3000 for the link to the listing. It has pumped me up for the movie and the soundtrack's upcoming release.

Tuukka
11-02-2002, 12:20 AM
According to theonering.net "The foundations of stone" is a straight quote in the books from Gandalf when he tells about his battle against Balrog. Foundations of stone are of course deep underground...

ak
11-02-2002, 07:49 AM
Well, the first track listing has confirmed it 100% for me that the film will begin with Gandalf's battle with the Balrog. It's all logical....It could never have been anything else.....All the clues pointed to this.

http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1036197046


As for the other track listings? Well, they certainly get me very excited. I really look forward to hearing the new voice talent in the soundtrack as, for me, Enya totally got on my bloody nerves!
I also anticipate Treebeard's theme, which I should expect is rather mysterious and playful.
Gollum's theme is one that perks my interest....I'm not quite sure how that one will sound.

dh1989
11-02-2002, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Tuukka
According to theonering.net "The foundations of stone" is a straight quote in the books from Gandalf when he tells about his battle against Balrog. Foundations of stone are of course deep underground...

Tolkien's World From A To Z - The Complete Guide To Middle Earth by Robert Foster has nothing about The Foundations of Stone and they usually have every tiny bit of knowledge from The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, The Silmarillion, The Adventures of Tom Bombadil, and more. I mean they say every king of Numenor and their friggin birthdays, so I suppose they should have something about that, but nothing. Maybe TORn is wrong. Yes it is there, but I would it is not the official name of where Gandalf battles the Balrog. That'd be Zirakzigil. It, in my opinion, could mean Emyn Muil. Heck TTT could open with a sweeping plunge shot of The Misty Mountains. It is up in the air, until we get rock solid proof of an opening.

ak
11-02-2002, 07:55 PM
I think it's best we keep this discussion (TTT opening) to the topic I already created, so I've replied to your post over there:

http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=488445#post488445

bskutle
11-09-2002, 09:49 AM
Anyone heard about a release date yet?

dannywalker17
11-09-2002, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by bskutle
Anyone heard about a release date yet?

According to Entertainment Weekly's Fall Music Preview, the TT soundtrack release date is Nov. 19th.

bskutle
11-13-2002, 11:30 AM
Thanks, though I just checked Amazon.com, and their release date is December 10.

Dumb-Fokker-**
11-13-2002, 06:46 PM
I will say this; I have heard three tracks (and have them on Kazaa) and they are great. Evenstar is definately the best thing from this trilogy yet - easily. The three titles, for download on Kazaa, are Forth Eorlingas, The Riders of Rohan, and Evenstar. Enjoy.

ak
11-13-2002, 07:00 PM
Fokker - Could you perhaps elaborate on Evenstar please? I'm looking forward to the entire soundtrack very much indeed, so I shan't listen to the individual tracks until it's available to buy.

(Can you believe the bastards at play.com haven't delivered my EE DVD yet!!!???).

Dumb-Fokker-**
11-13-2002, 07:10 PM
...how to elaborate? hmmm I really don't know what more to say - just this: listen to it several times in succession, once you finally do hear it, because it only gets better, and better. It is an incredibly beautiful song, that I feel, will certainly capture the essence of Arwen and Aragorns relationship, and what her becoming mortal, will mean to her people. As for the EE - amazing. Honestly, Aragorn, Boromir, Gandalf, Gimli, Legolas, the relationship of the dwarves, Bilbo, Middle-Earth, the time span - all of this is improved. The changes are a little jarring, at first, but with multiple viewings, I am quite sure that this will cease to be a problem.

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Link, for anyone who wants to check it out;

http://members.cox.net/sonodrogo2/Evenstar.mp3

If you would like links to the others, just let me know. ;)

Trust me, they are awesome.

Tuukka
11-14-2002, 12:28 AM
Two other tracks available are here:

http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1037134598


All in all, sounds very good indeed. Atmospheric and some haunting melodies there. As with the first soundtrack, you have to listen to these a few times before you really start to appreciate them. Shore clearly tries to avoid making pop-esque tracks, so even when he has beautiful and catchy melodical riffs like in Riders Of Rohan, he doesn't repeat them so that they stick to your ear. And even when he does repetition of strong melodic themes, the riff has slightly different notes everytime it is played.

This makes the tracks harder to "get" melodically, but also gives them longevity. I'm already humming the Riders Of Rohan theme...

Tuukka
11-14-2002, 05:07 AM
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ak
11-14-2002, 05:44 PM
I am weak. After the positive remarks of the soundtrack, I had to download Evenstar. You're right Fokker - It is the best of all Shore's tracks thus far.....Really, really beautiful and haunting. It's definately one of those that grows on you......I'm on my fifth listen now.

It's tinged with sadness - Very, very brooding. Magnificent.

Can't wait for the soundtrack - What date is it out?

Dumb-Fokker-**
11-14-2002, 05:49 PM
All it took was a single link. ...pitiful. ;) I believe the soundtrack comes out on November 29th, but dont quote me on it.

ak
11-14-2002, 05:58 PM
That friggin' late!!?? I thought it would be in a few days time....Ah shite.
Oh well, at leat I'll enjoy it all the more when it does come out....I want to hear Gollum's theme dammit!!!!

I really didn't enjoy Enya's inclusion on the last soundtrack, but these vocals really work well. I'm sure Shore has bettered his previous work.

Note: It's quite incredible how the tone is changing. This is an immense contrast to Concerning Hobbits.
I know that the themes are not dealing with the same subject matter at all, but the Fellowship soundtrack was chirpy compred to this (You'd swear they were from completely different films, which is the superb thing about Shore).....I'm quite possibly waiting for this to be my favourite soundtrack since The Fellowship Of The Ring.

Tuukka
11-14-2002, 07:05 PM
EVENSTAR: http://members.cox.net/sonodrogo2/Evenstar.mp3

WHITE RIDER: http://members.cox.net/sonodrogo/Th...ite%20Rider.mp3

RIDERS OF ROHAN: http://img-nex.theonering.net/sound...f_rohan_128.mp3

FORTH EORLINGAS: http://img-nex.theonering.net/sound...rlingas_256.mp3

Riders Of Rohan is my favourite so far... Folks at the following link are providing links to new tracks EVERY day as long as Classic FM in UK is playing them. They radio station plays one new track every day and I have understood that they will eventually play the whole soundtrack:

http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhi...&threadid=57922


Last edited by Tuukka on 11-14-2002 at 10:20 AM

Tuukka
11-14-2002, 07:11 PM
HORNBURG!

http://members.cox.net/sonodrogo2/The%20Hornburg.mp3

The quality is very weak with many glitches and some long, sudden jumps forward... But the track itself sounds really good...

Snowboy
11-15-2002, 04:58 AM
Hey everyone. I am currently listening to "Evenstar". Words really aren't enough to describe the sheer beauty and sadness of this song. It is very fitting of Arwen's situation. I think we have an incredible score ahead of us, and another possible Oscar winner. If not, then a definite nomination. I am stoked!!!

Tuukka
11-15-2002, 10:04 AM
FILMSCOREMONTHLY: TTT SCORE

Reviewed by Doug Adams

The biggest compliment one could pay Howard Shore's score to The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers is to say that it accomplishes exactly what it needs to. Meager praise? Hardly. Shore's work on The Fellowship of the Ring was one of the most detailed and vibrant scores ever set to a fantasy film. It matched the story's literary complexity with a treasure trove of interconnected thematic material, meeting the epic filmmaking with a sincere and affectionate musical voice that never once overplayed a scene for the sake of showmanship. The composition itself was of the highest caliber, unique in its stripped down counterpoint, its organic melodic contour, and its mixture of ancient tropes and bleeding-edge modernism. But it was, as Shore himself often noted, an Act One score. Act Two needed to be familiar, yet broader in every sense of the word--more themes, more development, more colors, more featured soloists, more unique instruments. It needed to extend the musical world of the first film--to feel like a logical progression of ideas, not a sequel.

And The Two Towers' score does exactly that, in the highest possible style.

Shore's concurrent work on all three Lord of the Rings films has resulted in an amazingly logical musical progression. This new score never feels like a follow-up or a crass attempt at recreating the magic of the first film. It's a continuation, an authentic Act Two. When prior material returns, it is touched by some fresh nuance, whether it's couched in a novel setting or interacting with a new tune. For example, in addition to his "pity" theme from the first film, Gollum now has two new musical counterparts: a tragic theme that's structurally related to the preexisting History of the Ring theme and a creepy-crawly motive (seemingly incorporating the cimbalom) that represents his latent malice and caps the score proper with a wonderfully taunting sneer. The equine Riders of Rohan have a heroic brass fanfare--complete with a corresponding fiddle solo variation--that bears rhythmic similarities to the Fellowship theme. The "Treebeard" track combines the ethereal choral work of the first score with an earthy English Horn solo and the best wooden percussion textures (featuring marimba and -- is that Indonesian angklung?) since Indiana Jones traversed the jungles of Peru. The ghostly Lothlorien theme appears both in is original Eastern flavored setting and transformed into a warrior's clarion in "The Hornburg," while the Orc / Isengard theme returns more contrapuntally varied, sputtering out in short nasty bursts while actively jumping octaves. Even the Orc's unnaturally tromping 5/4 ostinato is expanded upon and corralled into a militaristic charge. And tellingly the Evil of the Ring theme becomes more omnipresent and driving, darkly slithering its way into the score at surprising moments.

For Two Towers, Shore cleverly digs his returning themes deeper into the orchestral frame, indicating that the story's quest has thrust characters into a more complex world. Fellowship immersed the listener in one culture at a time, but Two Towers commingles material, notching up the thematic interplay considerably. Certainly Shore has maintained the notion of separate and unique cultures -- hobbits, elves, dwarves, orcs, multiple races of humans, etc. -- but there's now the sense that each is more aware of the neighbors. The sum of this added breadth and density is a more fully realized and multifaceted Middle-earth. Appropriately, Shore's writing is consistently more contrapuntal. While the quasi-ancient triadic homophony that so distinctly colored the first film is still at hand, Two Towers is considerably more dissonant and textural. Even the subtle use of aleatoric textures from Fellowship is now more explicit and often threatening as in the vocal passages of "The Passage of the Marshes."

And of course as the nuanced threats of Middle-earth grow, so do the responses. Much of Two Towers is directed towards gargantuan military action, and Shore responds with appropriately rhythmic material that puts the corners on the score and pushes it to explore more angular territory. The action music is carved in a brutal / elegant manner that's regal, exacting and overwhelming all at once. Unlike so many other scores, Two Towers uses its action to create genuine drama, not a cheap show. The battle music is informed by and drawn from the complex musical world in which it occurs, so it feels as if there are legitimate repercussions to the waging war. Does this matter on a score on CD, separated from the film? Absolutely, for the same reason a Mahler symphony or a Puccini opera achieves its heights effectively. Drama is context. When Shore's battle music tears through his established material transforming and dissecting familiar themes, hurling them against one another, layering them behind brass clusters and savagely propulsive cadences, it's not just good film music, it's good art. The action, which populates the last third of the CD, is a well-earned dramatic destination, not a diversionary flash.

The Reprise Records album also features guest vocal performers, Shelia Chandra, Elizabeth Fraser (returning from Fellowship), Ben Del Maestro and Emiliana Torrini, who sings Shore's "Gollum's Song," a creepy setting of Gollum's new tragic theme. All the performers acquit themselves nicely, but it will most likely be Torrini's evocatively twisted performance that will get fans' attention. On the instrumental side, the London Philharmonic is in excellent form, with just the proper bit of bite in the playing.

Perhaps I should amend my introduction. Two Towers doesn't do solely what it needs to. It only needed to be as good as Shore's work on Fellowship. It may be better.

Tuukka
11-15-2002, 09:01 PM
After listening to the five tracks so far, I think this review seems very accurate. So far this seems to be a better score than FOTR...

Tuukka
11-16-2002, 10:57 PM
Has anyone else listened to these new tracks?

Anyway, the radio station played Isengard Unleashed on Saturday, and it sounds GREAT... As a description. It seems that guys who have been making the mp3's didn't tape the thing, since they didn't realize there would be new tracks during the weekend as well. But one guy listened to it and it's apparently very epic warsong with themes being played from all the races who take part in the battle.

But even more than that I want to hear Gollum's theme... When was the soundtrack out again?

"I think they just played Isengard Unleashed. It was pretty amazing; all the themes made an appearance, the Fellowship one, the Isengard one, the reworked Lorien, and the new Rohan one. There were a lot of vocals, boy choir, male choir, and a female soloist. As I said, this track covered everything. Hope someone recorded it."

That was the guy who heard the track. I'm SURE that the tune also included the Ent theme (which nobody has heard yet), since they are also at Helm's Deep. I think that this is BRILLIANT. Shore has created own themes for each race, and when all these races arrive to the same battle, he gives out war-esque versions of their themes battling in the same track. It's cool that he is not only composing individual tunes, but building a larger story with the music. In a way you can just listen to the score and "see" the story, since the music is all the time reflecting a larger meaning in the overall context.

Dumb-Fokker-**
11-17-2002, 03:35 PM
http://members.cox.net/sonodrogo2/Isengard%20Unleashed.mp3

There you are, my fellow Schmoes.

Tuukka
11-17-2002, 11:52 PM
30 seconde clips from ALL tracks! I wonder what Ak will think of the Treebeard theme. I think it rocks, but it's very unconventional...

http://www.soundtrack.net/features/article/?id=100

Dumb-Fokker-**
11-17-2002, 11:56 PM
Havent listened yet, but I will say that you are the man, Tuke!!!

"In all, Shore composed four hours of music for the film, including extended material for the future Expanded Edition DVD of The Two Towers."

A four hour extended version of TTT!!!!?!?!?!??!??!

Tuukka
11-18-2002, 12:12 AM
Shore also said that the backstory of Gollum has been cut from the theatrical release, so we have to wait one year before we can see it... :(

Dumb-Fokker-**
11-22-2002, 12:15 AM
Wow. I have 12 full tracks from the film, and they are all awesome. Especially Gollums Song. And now, links galore!!!

http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?start=40&catid=13&threadid=58474

Scroll down, and you'll see them. Although, he said that he will be changing the tracks tomorrow, some time, so get them while you can. (although they will surely be all over, soon enough)

And, Gollums Song,...

http://gohastings.neuroticmedia.net/

Enjoy, fokkers!

Brandon
11-22-2002, 12:46 AM
That 30 seconds I heard of Gollum's song is so creepy! I know there has been much speculation and debate over where exactly this movie will end, but if it is even remotely as daark and ominous as the book ending, then we will all be creeped out as that song starts to roll over the credits. Picture it, Sam and Frodo entering(more than likely) Shelob's cave(or at least nearing it by then) and Gnadalf whisking Pippin away following his gaze into the palantir. And then that song! What an ending! WHat a cliffhanger! I can't wait! 25 days and counting.

Tuukka
11-22-2002, 03:32 AM
HERE THEY ARE!

http://www.kulichki.com/tolkien/henneth-annun/clips/TTTsound/Foundations_of_Stone.mp3

http://www.kulichki.com/tolkien/henneth-annun/clips/TTTsound/GollumsSong.mp3

http://www.kulichki.com/tolkien/henneth-annun/clips/TTTsound/King_Of_The_Golden_Hall.mp3

http://www.kulichki.com/tolkien/henneth-annun/clips/TTTsound/Passage_Of_The_Marshes.mp3

http://www.kulichki.com/tolkien/henneth-annun/clips/TTTsound/SamwiseTheBrave.mp3

http://www.kulichki.com/tolkien/henneth-annun/clips/TTTsound/Taming_Of_Smeagol.mp3

http://www.kulichki.com/tolkien/henneth-annun/clips/TTTsound/Treebeard.mp3

http://www.kulichki.com/tolkien/henneth-annun/clips/TTTsound/Uruk_Hai.mp3

xirtam
11-30-2002, 10:14 AM
Here are the lyrics for Gollum's Song.

Where once was light, now darkness falls.
Where once was love, love is no more.
Don't say goodbye.
Don't say I didn't try.

These tears we cry,
are falling rain
For all the lies you told us,
the hurt, the blame.
And we will wait
to be so alone.
We are lost,
We can never go home.

So in the end,
I'll be what I will be,
No loyal friend,
was ever there for me.
Now we say goodbye,
we say you didn't try.

These tears you cry,
have come too late.
Take back the lies,
the hurt, the blame.
And you will wake
when you face the end alone.
You are lost,
you can never go home.

You are lost,
You can never go home.
-------------------------------

Isn't that creepy and sad? That is probably the feeling we will be left with at the end. The words are a little confusing though, what does it mean? It seems to me it might be from Gollum's point of view, all the mentions of "we" instead of "I".

By the way, if anyone can get me the chords for it, that would be great! I am trying to figure it out but it is really hard with this song.

dh1989
11-30-2002, 03:51 PM
Those lyrics are very creepy. Gollum's Song should be haunting, much like the character himself.