TATU (All The Things She Said) - Lesbian pop rock?

[Mike]

A friend of mine told me to listen for this song on the radio because it was really good, but the only problem is that it's played on the stations I usually don't listen to. But one night I was flipping through radio stations and they were playing the top 5 requested songs on a pop music station, so I decided to listen for the hell of it to see if that song was in the top 5. Well, it actually was and I ended up really digging it, and now I've been listening to that station all of the time just so I can hear this kickass song. But after hearing it a few times I started really listening to the lyrics and to me it sounded like a lesbian song, but it just couldn't be, I was probably just misunderstanding the lyrics because they probably wouldn't play that on this radio station. But then when I was searching for TATU on the net it showed up on a list of "favorite lesbian music," so was it just a coincidence or is this really lesbian music?

Hmm, from the lyrics I'd be willing to bet that this is lesbian music, but decide for yourself, here's the lyrics:

All the things she said
All the things she said
Running through my head
All the things she said
All the things she said
Running through my head
This is not enough

I'm in serious s--t, I feel totally lost
If I'm asking for help it's only because
Being with you has opened my eyes
Could I ever believe such a perfect surprise?

I keep asking myself, wondering how
I keep closing my eyes but I can't block you out
Wanna fly to a place where it's just you and me
Nobody else so we can be free

All the things she said
All the things she said
Running through my head
All the things she said
All the things she said
Running through my head
This is not enough
This is not enough

All the things she said
All the things she said

And I'm all mixed up, feeling cornered and rushed
They say it's my fault but I want her so much
Wanna fly her away where the sun and rain
Come in over my face, wash away all the shame
When they stop and stare - don't worry me
‘Cause I'm feeling for her what she's feeling for me
I can try to pretend, I can try to forget
But it's driving me mad, going out of my head

Mother looking at me
Tell me what do you see?
Yes, I've lost my mind

Daddy looking at me
Will I ever be free?
Have I crossed the line?


I really don't care either way because the song kicks ass, it's very catchy and I plan on buying the CD that comes out December 10th, it's called "200 KM/H in the wrong lane." I just hope the rest of the CD is as good as the song "All The Things She Said."

What does everyone else think?

[charliebobo]

I don't really like the song, but I think you're right about the lesbian thing. Here in Italy they went to a couple of Top Of The Pops-like shows, and after singing this song they always started snogging each other... which caused mucho controversy here.

Also apparently Tatu is an acronym for "Ta liubit tu" which means "this girl loves that girl" or something like that

Anyway I've also got some piccs of the "kiss"

http://corriere.virgilio.it/speciali/gallerie/tatu/galleria/jpg/image1.jpg

[NuclearMisfit]

yeah they are pretty much lesbian, it doesnt really matter if they are or not. I dont listen to pop but if you watch the video they are talking about how everyone in society shuns someone for being a lesbian or homosexual, in the video they are being held behind a chain fence and an angry mob wearing they are wearing school uniforms and kissing, holding hands the usual stuff.

[Invincible]

Actually They are lesbians...I know it ;) I have all of their songs....In Russian.

[The Postmaster General]

Maybe it's about Rosie O Donnell's talk show?

[Mike]

Originally posted by NuclearMisfit
in the video they are being held behind a chain fence and an angry mob wearing they are wearing school uniforms and kissing, holding hands the usual stuff.

Man, I've got to see that video, what music stations does it air on and when can it usually be seen?

[Invincible]

Originally posted by Mike
Man, I've got to see that video, what music stations does it air on and when can it usually be seen?

Just search for them on KaZaA, I've seen all the videos already thanks to KaZaA!

yeah that "All The Things She Said" vid is cool, Girsl are really hot in it! School girls outfits :p

[NuclearMisfit]

Originally posted by Invincible
Girsl are really hot in it! School girls outfits :p


yes they are and you even get a few panty shots :D during the video, kinda makes you realize god only gave guys a penis and a brain and just enough blood to operate one at a time!

[Invincible]

Originally posted by NuclearMisfit
yes they are and you even get a few panty shots :D during the video, kinda makes you realize god only gave guys a penis and a brain and just enough blood to operate one at a time!

Lol, btw, did you know they're Russian? :p

[NuclearMisfit]

Originally posted by Invincible
Lol, btw, did you know they're Russian? :p


hey thats even better russian lesbian hot babes not to mention school girl outfits !!:D Im game are you? I imagine theyll be showing up on the Lillith Fair soon :D

[Invincible]

NuclearMisfit, you're sayin you didn't know? But, no problemo.

[Mike]

I'm still not sick of All The Things She Said, it is my current favorite song on the radio and it has been for awhile now. I can't wait to get the CD.

Here's some info about their performance at the Verona Festival:

A gala-concert closing the famous Festivalbar took place in Italy on September the 7th. This is an annual festival that lasts several days. During the first few days young stars compete and on the last night the ancient Verona arena (that looks like the Coliseum but it has been well preserved) hosts international stars with their best hits. t.A.T.u. have performed before a 15,000 people audience with their hit “All the Things She Said”. Among those who have also been on the stage that night before Yulia and Lena were Shakira, Morcheeba, Sophie Ellis Bexter, Zuccero, Tiziano Ferro, Las Ketchup. When the group was about to start their performance festival managers appeared and asked the girls not to kiss on the stage because a television version was to be shown all over Italy. Do you think Yulia and Lena did as they were said? All of the 15 thousand Italian spectators yelled like mad during the long t.A.T.u. kiss!

[The Arrow]

I saw the video for the song and of course loved it. Cute teen lesbians in school girl outfits making out in the rain. IM HIP TO THAT VIBE! And the song is pretty money too!

Tatu is all good in my book!

"Watch the slick video clip of "All the thing she said" here:
www.tatugirls.com

[Mike]

I'd love to see the music video but I don't think it gets played on MTV, MTV2, VH1, or MUCHMUSIC...

[Invincible]

hey Mike, have you tried KaZaA? it has a lot of their videos, it has All The Things She Said vid, but it's in Russian....:rolleyes:

[Mike]

Originally posted by Invincible
hey Mike, have you tried KaZaA? it has a lot of their videos, it has All The Things She Said vid, but it's in Russian....:rolleyes:

I would but it would probably take a long time to download and most likely it wouldn't play very good on my computer.

[El Bracamonti]

lesbians are all right in my book!

[Mike]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006JIA5.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Tomorrow is the day! I want to pre-order this CD today but I'm not used to ordering CD's online, mainly movies, so I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for the best places to buy CD's online? Any help would be great. Plus, the cheaper the better, as long as the place has good service.

Thanks...

[countchocula]

Amazon is sufficient. I would suggest Half.com (used merchandise), but since this is a new release, it probably wouldn't be any cheaper than on Amazon.

PS-The girl on the right is illegally hot! I may have to check this video out!

[CeMeTaRy_GaTeS]

Originally posted by countchocula

The girl on the right is illegally hot! I may have to check this video out!

I prefer the one on the left myself, but either way this group is boneriffic and i need to see more of them.:D :D :D

[Mike]

Originally posted by CeMeTaRy_GaTeS
I prefer the one on the left myself, but either way this group is boneriffic and i need to see more of them.:D :D :D

I agree, I prefer the one on the left as well...

[Invincible]

The brunette is fuckin hot! the girl on the left has got big boobz for an 18 year old...I saw some videos that's how I know :p BTW 'All the things she said' video has a nice panty shot of them two :)

[CeMeTaRy_GaTeS]

Originally posted by Invincible
The brunette is fuckin hot! the girl on the left has got big boobz for an 18 year old...I saw some videos that's how I know :p BTW 'All the things she said' video has a nice panty shot of them two :)

Oh god:) :rolleyes: that just makes things better

[Bassgod]

I'm Russian and I hate them. So does most of the ccountry that I came from. Now they moved on to the rest of the world. WATCH OUT!!!!

[Mike]

Originally posted by Bassgod
I'm Russian and I hate them. So does most of the ccountry that I came from. Now they moved on to the rest of the world. WATCH OUT!!!!

Actually, I heard that they were a big hit in Russia...

[Bassgod]

That's what they tell you. Actually they were a big hit in Russia, but kinda like Britney S. was a hit here.

[Invincible]

Weird...I thought they were big didn't know they're hated by the country...:rolleyes: I DON'T CARE! the Brunette is HOT! :p

[Bassgod]

Russia is mostly rock these days.

[Mike]

Oh well, I still think they kick some major fucking ass!

[Invincible]

Originally posted by Mike
Oh well, I still think they kick some major fucking ass!

Hehe, Pop-girly-trance, they don't even make the music...:p

[countchocula]

I just watched the video. Pretty cool! Not that it's hard to fuck up a video featuring schoolgirls making out in the rain, but still, I enjoyed it. The tune was even halfway decent. I envy Russia if that's the worst that they have to put up with.

[NuclearMisfit]

I heard Russia has the best metal concerts ever, strippers, midgets need I say more??

[Invincible]

Lol! where did you hear that from?

[CeMeTaRy_GaTeS]

Ya, I thought these lesbians and some idiot make up Russia's music scene:

click below to view idiot:
http://www.illmitch.com/

[Bassgod]

Punk is strong in Russia too although less welcome then here. Every kind of rock/metal/punk has strong following in Russia. So does Rap, but ppl are getting tired of it. The shows ARE awesome.

[Mike]

I went to the store to buy this yesterday and I looked and looked and couldn't find it. So I decided to ask someone if they had it and the girl working said that they only got a couple of them in the day it was released and they sold out right away, she said they haven't gotten any more in yet. This sucks :(, I guess I'll just get it somewhere on the net.

[NuclearMisfit]

Originally posted by Invincible
Lol! where did you hear that from?


An Issue of Penthouse I have that had the Russian Metal scene in it, it was pretty neat the midgets were dressed up like little devils and the chicks were wearing a smile.

[Invincible]

Originally posted by CeMeTaRy_GaTeS
Ya, I thought these lesbians and some idiot make up Russia's music scene:

click below to view idiot:
http://www.illmitch.com/

hahaha!!! he is weird!

[Mike]

Does anyone know how well their CD is doing here in the US? I'm curious... I hope it's doing well and hopefully the lesbian thing doesn't prevent it from selling as many CD's. Does anyone know where it debuted on the music sales charts?

[NuclearMisfit]

I dont know if id buy their album though, If you watch the WWE they do the theme song to a girl named Victoria whos sorta like psycho/lesbian/crazy biotch

[NuclearMisfit]

Originally posted by Invincible
hahaha!!! he is weird!


woah that dude has like a ghost infestation there look at all the orbs!

[Mike]

I think I'm just going to go for an hour drive today to Best Buy and see if I can get their CD there. I listened to samples of their CD and it sounds really good and fun, I even like the tracks that are in russian.

You can listen to samples from their CD here:

http://www.bestbuy.com/mandm/ProductInfo.asp?ST=11179394&m=254

[Mike]

I bought it last night and I listened to it the whole way home. Then when I got home I popped it into my CD player while I played my new BUFFY XBOX game that I also bought last night. I'd say I might have listened to it around 7 times already. It's a really good and "FUN" CD. My brother saw it though and he jokingly asked me if the two girls were lesbians, I said yes and he was like "seriously!?" I told him yep and that they were lovers. He was then like "Oh my god, that's so sick, why would you buy a CD like that?" I told him because they are talented, and he was like "I used to like that song but not anymore." Then after that he had to tell my parents and they were all like "Oh my god, TATU are lesbians? That's so sick!" My family are pretty much closed minded idiots. Why should I not buy a CD just because the singers are lesbians!? Who fucking cares, I don't buy CD's based on the artists sexual preference. Oh well, fuck em', they are really weird about stuff like that. My parents couldn't even sit through KISSING JESSICA STEIN, they only watched about 30 minutes and I swear they said the word "sick" every minute of those 30 minutes.

The CD rocks though, like I said, it's a lot of FUN. I like the russian tracks too. Even their "How Soon Is Now?" remake is pretty damn good. It only took about one listening for their version to grow on me.

[Horror whore]

Originally posted by Mike
[BTomorrow is the day! I want to pre-order this CD today but I'm not used to ordering CD's online, mainly movies, so I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for the best places to buy CD's online? [/B]

Well, I know it's too late now since you already bought it, but a good website is www.deepdiscountcd.com I've never used it since I don't listen to too much music, but Deep Discount DVD is a reliable site, so I think it's safe to say Deep Discount CD is reliable as well...

[CheekyShepherd]

The songs on The Box right now as I type this reply. As far as the song goes it's quite catchy with a good beat, however, I certainly don't care for the lesbian video, especially with my six-year-old sister present asking why two girls have their tongues down each others throat.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Horror whore
Well, I know it's too late now since you already bought it, but a good website is www.deepdiscountcd.com I've never used it since I don't listen to too much music, but Deep Discount DVD is a reliable site, so I think it's safe to say Deep Discount CD is reliable as well...

I have ordered from them once, and the service was pretty good but much slower than Deep Discount DVD. I was going to order it from them but I kept checking and they didn't have the CD. It wasn't even on their list to be released on December 10th...

[Mike]

Originally posted by Mike
Does anyone know how well their CD is doing here in the US? I'm curious... I hope it's doing well and hopefully the lesbian thing doesn't prevent it from selling as many CD's. Does anyone know where it debuted on the music sales charts?

Well, does anyone know?

[Gia]

I think their songs are great. Especially those in Russian (now I can finally see that it was a good thing I learned Russian in elementary school and highschool!). Though, here (in Yugoslavia) is pretty hard to find their album. Luckily, I managed do download all of their songs.;)

[Mad Maggot]

Originally posted by Invincible
Actually They are lesbians...I know it ;) I have all of their songs....In Russian.


they are NO lez! :mad: They are just pretending to be them! How don't you guys understand, they do what their pervert producer had told them to do! And they do it just for fooling people and making money out of that. Seems like they made what they wanted :mad:

[Invincible]

Originally posted by Mad Maggot
they are NO lez! :mad: They are just pretending to be them! How don't you guys understand, they do what their pervert producer had told them to do! And they do it just for fooling people and making money out of that. Seems like they made what they wanted :mad:

Don't get hostile...you made a point ok? :cool:

[Mad Maggot]

Hey, I'm not get getting hostile. I'm just telling the astonishing truth :p

[SLAW]

Originally posted by charliebobo
I don't really like the song, but I think you're right about the lesbian thing. Here in Italy they went to a couple of Top Of The Pops-like shows, and after singing this song they always started snogging each other... which caused mucho controversy here.

Also apparently Tatu is an acronym for "Ta liubit tu" which means "this girl loves that girl" or something like that

Anyway I've also got some piccs of the "kiss"

http://corriere.virgilio.it/speciali/gallerie/tatu/galleria/jpg/image1.jpg

To be honest, I'm not a stereo-typical guy who loves to see lesbians and i'm not even sure if these girls are hot, but that pic is a turn on. :confused: ;)

[Gia]

;) ;)
cool pic...

[Mike]

Originally posted by Mad Maggot
they are NO lez! :mad: They are just pretending to be them! How don't you guys understand, they do what their pervert producer had told them to do! And they do it just for fooling people and making money out of that. Seems like they made what they wanted :mad:

And how would you know this for sure?

[Invincible]

Originally posted by Mike
And how would you know this for sure?

Good 1, man ;)

[Mad Maggot]

First of, because I live in Russia and once their pervert producer appeared on a TV-show called Princip Domino, he was asked different questions, and the one was is it true that they are lez? He told: 'How don't you understand, this project is made for West, they want controversy there!' That's it, can you make conclusions?

And, secondly, I have eyes, actually. Money is the only thing they want, if you pay them they will even kiss your ass or will do whatever you'll ask.

[Mike]

Yeah, but if anything the whole lesbian image would hurt their sales, not help them. I'm sure their CD would be doing better if it wasn't for them being lesbians. "All The Things She Said" is being played everywhere here, it's a "fun" dance song and gets played a lot in clubs. Yet, it doesn't seem many are buying their album, which I'm sure is because of them being lesbians. If they weren't, their CD would be doing better. So I can't see why they would be doing this to make money because if anything, it would just be making it harder for them to sell CD's.

[Mad Maggot]

They are big in USA and in some other countries because of their controversy, Mike, you can't deny that. Their music in nothing but 'fun' as you've said, it doesn't bring anything in music as a common. I mean, the quality wishes the best, voices of course too. And you've bought their album, others will do it as well.

As a Russian I must be proud of two Russian girls being so popular abroad, but I'm not because of this imaginated image. There're much better singers and bands here (though I'm not a fan of any), but they are not shouting about their being gay/bi/straight all over the world.

[idealdiscountdude]

My friends and I went Cosmic Bowling on Friday night for my girlfriends 20th and this song came on, and I must admit....I love the chorus....very catchy.

So I went home and downloaded it and I really dig it.

[screamer581]

I actually read on a website that they both have boyfriends.... I could care less one way or another.

[Sad man]

TATU´s hit All the thing she said is a very catchy and fun song.I must have listened to it like more than 100 times by now.
It´s everywhere.
And about the singers being lesbians, I don´t care actually, but I think they are not trully lesbians, it´s a very clever way to sell the record.

That´s just an opinion.

[BakeTheMooCow]

Meh, its a stupid song. The lyrics are so predictable, a six year old could've written it. All the lame "fun" bands flooding the radio these days - makes me wanna puke. I've seen the video which was nice, but there are much hotter lesbians out there.

[Mad Maggot]

woh, finally someone shares my opinion ;)

[screamer581]

Oh and yes, that god damn song is quite annoying. ;)

[NumberMSO52]

Originally posted by Mike
Yeah, but if anything the whole lesbian image would hurt their sales, not help them. I'm sure their CD would be doing better if it wasn't for them being lesbians. "All The Things She Said" is being played everywhere here, it's a "fun" dance song and gets played a lot in clubs. Yet, it doesn't seem many are buying their album, which I'm sure is because of them being lesbians. If they weren't, their CD would be doing better. So I can't see why they would be doing this to make money because if anything, it would just be making it harder for them to sell CD's.

I disagree, whether or not they really are lesbians, i think lots of people who wouldnt normally listen to such crappy music are all into this simply because they're lesbians. So yes, i think the lesbian thing is helping their sales, and no, i dont like their music.

[Toneybeen]

Apparently the two lesbians in TATU are currently rehearsing for their underwater marriage at the bottom of a swimming pool...

[SteveSzyk]

I think these two girls are talentless. All the Things She Said is simply horrible - it got stuck in my head, but everytime I found myself singing it I wanted to shoot myself. I think it's so obvious that they are not lesbians - and obviously using it to get sales, and it's definitely been successful. Controversy sells - If Eminem rapped about flowers, and true love the man would be living in a box on the side of the road, If t.A.T.u didn't say they were lesbians, their success wouldn't exist. I'd take Britney Spears over these two.

[Mike]

Well, I actually got to see the last 20 seconds or so of the video on MTV today. What I saw of it kicked ass! I really want to see the whole thing. Anyway, I don't even care if they really are lesbians or if they are just pretending to be, all I can say is at least their music stands for something. "All The Things She Said" is not only a fun song, but it's also meaningful, which is more than I can say for most music today.

[Mike]

Awesome! I just found out tonight that TATU is going to be on Jay Leno tomorrow (tuesday) night. I can't wait!!! I've never seen them on any talk shows or anything.

[jackson13]

I gotta reemphisise what Nuc said. WWE's Victoria, the current womens champion, made the song popular. It's been her theme song since about October, well before it became mainstream. In fact, I was sitting in the movie theater one day and they were playing music before the movie and the song came on and the guy said something like "This song is by a new group called Tatu (he pronounced it Tattoo) and its called All the things she said". When it came on I knew I had heard it before, but then the chorus hit and I recognized it right away, thanks to watching WWE. So, like I said before Victoria made the song popular, seeing as how it was her theme before it became popular.

[Ghostface 2000]

It is a great song, it has to be, it's number 1 for a fourth week in the charts uk

[shifty]

Originally posted by Toneybeen
Apparently the two lesbians in TATU are currently rehearsing for their underwater marriage at the bottom of a swimming pool...


....with no fucking oxygen i hope :D

[Corporal_Hicks]

I saw the video and it rocked. I had it on mute, so can someone tell me how good the song is?

[Mike]

Originally posted by Corporal_Hicks
I had it on mute, so can someone tell me how good the song is?

It kicks ass! It's a very catchy song...

Anyway, I have no idea how their CD has been doing in the US here, does ANYONE know? I'd really like to know.

[Mike]

Holy shit, they fucking kicked ass on Leno. It was one of the best musical performances I've ever seen on the show. And I must say, they looked even better than they do in their pictures. Man, I hope they make some more television appearances. I taped this one, and you can bet I'll be watching it more than once. I thought they did a great job, plus, they looked hot as all hell.

[Nate6]

How is the CD doing? Uh, not well. It couldn't even hit the list of the Top 100 albums in the nation, pretty bad considering some of the no-names on the list.

Anyhoo, I'm all for lesbians but this is plain, overproduced Euro-dance drivel. Not good. I'm glad real music is coming back in style again, these ladies won't last long.

[Corporal_Hicks]

I heard the song without mute and I think it is nothing special. The lyrics aren't too good and niether are the vocals.
Next time I see the video I'll make damn sure the mute button is on.

[Mike]

http://www.universalmusic.it/tatu/photogallery/tatu.jpg

Man, these girls are getting too much shit. They are cute, and I like their lyrics and catchy songs. At least they stand for something, unlike all of this other pop CRAP out there.

[Nate6]

Originally posted by Mike
Man, these girls are getting too much shit. They are cute, and I like their lyrics and catchy songs. At least they stand for something, unlike all of this other pop CRAP out there.

What do they stand for? Fake lesbians and overdone music?

[Mike]

Originally posted by Nate6
What do they stand for? Fake lesbians and overdone music?

It's not a fact that they aren't really lesbians and aren't in love. And what do they stand for? They stand for LOVE, even when other people don't approve or understand. They say that no matter how much you get shunned, that love is all that matters and all that you need. Hell, even if they aren't really lesbians, at least they are singing about something important, something other than being a slutty, teasing whore (aka Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, etc...). I can't stand prejudism of ANY kind, I absolutely hate all of the hate that goes on. Some people are so closed minded and it really bugs me. I think it's fucking ridiculous that people can HATE other people for being different. And it makes me absolutely sick when I hear of people killing over stupid shit like race, sexuality, religion, etc... It's fucking DUMB!!! I'm so against shit like that and it really gets under my skin. I can't stand all of the hating that goes on, why can't we all just fucking get along? Why can't we just accept people that are different? That's why I love what TATU is singing, it may be light and fun, but it does have meaning if you actually listen to the fucking lyrics. Do I have a problem with HATE crimes? Fuck yeah I do. Because they are so damn stupid and pointless.

Wow, sorry for the rant, but I hate prejudism. Tatu's music may not make a HUGE difference, but it's something and it helps. Some people may not appreciate it, but I think anything that helps to make this world more accepting and a better place is GREAT.

[Nate6]

Originally posted by Mike
It's not a fact that they aren't really lesbians and aren't in love. And what do they stand for? They stand for LOVE, even when other people don't approve or understand. They say that no matter how much you get shunned, that love is all that matters and all that you need. Hell, even if they aren't really lesbians, at least they are singing about something important, something other than being a slutty, teasing whore (aka Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, etc...). I can't stand prejudism of ANY kind, I absolutely hate all of the hate that goes on. Some people are so closed minded and it really bugs me. I think it's fucking ridiculous that people can HATE other people for being different. And it makes me absolutely sick when I hear of people killing over stupid shit like race, sexuality, religion, etc... It's fucking DUMB!!! I'm so against shit like that and it really gets under my skin. I can't stand all of the hating that goes on, why can't we all just fucking get along? Why can't we just accept people that are different? That's why I love what TATU is singing, it may be light and fun, but it does have meaning if you actually listen to the fucking lyrics. Do I have a problem with HATE crimes? Fuck yeah I do. Because they are so damn stupid and pointless.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you insinuating that because I don't like TATU I believe in hate crimes and am anti-gay? I don't know if that humongeous rant was pointed at me or not, but I'll explain that I absolutely detest hate of any kind. I think it's immoral and unbelieveably unfair to everyone involved. However, I'm not going to like some group just because they may or may not be lesbians. I'll judge them based on their musicianship, because if they're trying to get some point across to me, that cheesecake video of theirs' isn't doing the trick. I don't really like the music, the jury is out on the message. For lesbian musicians, give me Melissa Etheridge anyday. But that's just me, of course. Opinions are a universal thing, after all.

[notchreturns]

Ouch, I saw these girls on The Jimmy Kimmel Show last night, and besides their good looks, they ain't got shit going for them. Their interview skills suck, maybe cause they barely speak English, but they came of as extremely snooby and difficult and I like girls who show skin, but these girls were basically flashy the crowd their panties the entire interview. As for their skills... um, what skills? It was so obvious they were lip-singing the entire song, it hurt. At time, they didn't even bother to sing and just decided to look over the crowd, trying to give the guys boners the size of Texas..... and as for them being lesbians, well, I can';t say, I'd like to see some video proff myself, but their supposed kiss on the show last night was shite. One big tease!


So, they're hot (or atleast the brunette)... and that's about it.

[BadCoverVersion]

Okay...

Simmer down folks...:)

I don't want this thread to turn into a pro/anti-gay debate, and I do feel that some harmless comments may have been misinterpreted.

I don't believe that the cynics amongst us (I myself, am rather dubious about this lesbian relationship) are necessarily homophobic. Schmoes are just expressing an opinion, and some people are not entirely CONVINCED by the TATU gals.

That does not mean that they are "GAY-BASHING".

I don't particularly want to close this thread as it is making for interesting conversation...so come on mates...

STAY COOL!!!

[Mike]

Originally posted by Nate6
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you insinuating that because I don't like TATU I believe in hate crimes and am anti-gay? I don't know if that humongeous rant was pointed at me or not, but I'll explain that I absolutely detest hate of any kind. I think it's immoral and unbelieveably unfair to everyone involved. However, I'm not going to like some group just because they may or may not be lesbians. I'll judge them based on their musicianship, because if they're trying to get some point across to me, that cheesecake video of theirs' isn't doing the trick. I don't really like the music, the jury is out on the message. For lesbian musicians, give me Melissa Etheridge anyday. But that's just me, of course. Opinions are a universal thing, after all.

Holy crap Nate, of course I don't think you are homophobic or for hate crimes. That's not what I was getting at AT ALL. I think you are a cool schmoe and I certainly didn't mean my post to sound like I was accusing ANYONE of being homophobic, racist, etc... I was just stating why I like their music and think that it's a good thing. It certainly doesn't hurt anyway, it's a lot better than a lot of pop crap out there. I think they are cute, fun, and harmless. And I too like Melissa Etheridge, especially her older stuff. I just love how TATU's music has a message, like about how "some" people shun homosexuality and are really closed minded. I love their CD and most of their songs have meaning, they are just covered up by being so damn fun and catchy. However, if you listen to them, they do have meaning. It's nothing deep or anything, but I do think it's important.

Anyway Nate and everyone else, I certainly wasn't pointing my finger at ANYONE, and I'm really sorry if it sounded that way. God, everyone is allowed to like what they want, I would NEVER say someone was homophobic or a racist, etc... just because they didn't care for TATU's music. Hey, if it's not your thing, that's cool ;).

No hard feelings at all...

[JustOneFix]

I'm not a fan, I don't listen to dancepop, and I don't care much for the lesbian shtick be it genuine or not.

As for them being snobby and difficult on Jimmy Kimmel, well, they have a right to be this way. In their native country of Russia there is no censorship whatsoever, you can pretty much say and do anything you want on Russian television. In the States they've been running into the usual "can't do this, can't do that, can't say fuck on TV, can't show explicit kissing" bullshit ever since they set their foot on American soil. I guess they were ticked off about NBC censoring their kiss and zooming in their guitar player instead when the mass viewer was craving some tongue action. They also got in trouble for wearing those white longsleeves with "Fuck war!" handwritten on them. How fucked up is this kind of censorship?

Anyway, as I said above, I don't listen to this kind of music but I'd take these girls over Britney Sprears and Christina Aguilerra, the two epitomes of strip mall culture at its worst, anytime. At least they're European.

[Nate6]

Originally posted by Mike
Holy crap Nate, of course I don't think you are homophobic or for hate crimes. That's not what I was getting at AT ALL. I think you are a cool schmoe and I certainly didn't mean my post to sound like I was accusing ANYONE of being homophobic, racist, etc... I was just stating why I like their music and think that it's a good thing. It certainly doesn't hurt anyway, it's a lot better than a lot of pop crap out there. I think they are cute, fun, and harmless. And I too like Melissa Etheridge, especially her older stuff. I just love how TATU's music has a message, like about how "some" people shun homosexuality and are really closed minded. I love their CD and most of their songs have meaning, they are just covered up by being so damn fun and catchy. However, if you listen to them, they do have meaning. It's nothing deep or anything, but I do think it's important.

Anyway Nate and everyone else, I certainly wasn't pointing my finger at ANYONE, and I'm really sorry if it sounded that way. God, everyone is allowed to like what they want, I would NEVER say someone was homophobic or a racist, etc... just because they didn't care for TATU's music. Hey, if it's not your thing, that's cool ;).

No hard feelings at all...

In retrospect, I overreacted to your comments. Deep down I knew you weren't pointing at us, you're a more mature person than that. I apologize, but I am going to stand by my opinion. You're standing by yours, and more power to you.

[Mike]

Originally posted by JustOneFix
I guess they were ticked off about NBC censoring their kiss and zooming in their guitar player instead when the mass viewer was craving some tongue action. They also got in trouble for wearing those white longsleeves with "Fuck war!" handwritten on them. How fucked up is this kind of censorship?

That is fucking STUPID!!! I figured they were kissing during the part when they decided to move the camera over to the guitar player. If it was a guy and a girl, they probably would have showed it. This is just fucking bullshit. If some people can't handle it, then fuck em'. And bravo to them for wearing those shirts, I feel the same way. However, although there's supposed to be freedom of speach, we don't really have it. I wonder who was pissed about the shirts!?

[Mike]

Originally posted by Nate6
In retrospect, I overreacted to your comments. Deep down I knew you weren't pointing at us, you're a more mature person than that. I apologize, but I am going to stand by my opinion. You're standing by yours, and more power to you.

No problem whatsoever... I feel bad that some people thought I was attacking others for being racist, but I honestly wasn't pointing at anyone particular, and certainly nobody here. You're allowed to have your opinion, and if you don't like them then I don't have a problem with it. We all have our own taste in music, and I usually don't care for this current pop CRAP, but I dig TATU. The rest of the pop singers can kiss my ass as far as I'm concerned. I miss 80's music and I wish their were more 80's radio stations. God I love 80's music. 80's pop and rock is the only way to go ;).

Anyway, again, I'm sorry if you thought I was attacking you. I didn't mean it like that ;).

[JustOneFix]

Originally posted by Mike
I wonder who was pissed about the shirts!? [/B]

I heard the girls caught some shit from the folks at NBC, so it must have been them, even though I doubt they could read those words in Russian

[NoSoUpFoRyOu]

All pop stars should be killed......

[Mike]

Originally posted by JustOneFix
I heard the girls caught some shit from the folks at NBC, so it must have been them, even though I doubt they could read those words in Russian

I actually didn't even know what their shirts said, since they were in russian. The only reason I know now is because you said what they said. I think it's dumb that they got in trouble for it, most people probably didn't even know what they said, unless they knew russian.

[idealdiscountdude]

I like their song, however I've seen their video and all I could think was that R.Kelly would love it!

They were like only 14 when the video was shot according to reports and I gotta state that I'm all for two women kissing and groping each other, but two 14 year old GIRLS is another thing. The video is IMO (and no offense to y'all) is kinda perverted.


I know that they are now 17 and 18 years of age, but the two gals creep the hell outta me.

Their song is catchy, but I'd rather not watch them.

[JustOneFix]

The video was shot in 2002 when they were 17 and 18. 3 years ago they didn't even exist as we know them now, so they couldn't possibly be 14 in that video.

[idealdiscountdude]

Originally posted by JustOneFix
The video was shot in 2002 when they were 17 and 18. 3 years ago they didn't even exist as we know them now, so they couldn't possibly be 14 in that video.

Really?

I read is some articles on uk.yahoo.com/news a few weeks ago that the video was filmed in Russia, 3 years ago when they were first starting out, when the girls were 14.

[BakeTheMooCow]

I had the misfortune of switching over to the Tonight Show during their performance. They are horrible singers and I found them quite ugly when the camera showed them close up. I don't think their music stands for anything. I did a check up on the lyrics later. How difficult is it to write horseshit like that? I swear ANYONE can come up with those wordings in a matter of minutes. The basic requirement of most pop song lyrics is rhyming, and thats all they do here. There's no emotion, no depth, no intensity, no meaning, no nothing. The whole song is a banal, hollow exercise in mediocrity.

I do not mind commercially successful bands and songs. I listen to a lot of Foo Fighters, Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead, Nirvana.. all of whom have had radio and chart hits. The image is one thing that bothers me and the music is the other. Even if they are lesbians, do they have to kiss in every performance? If a man and a woman were performing a song on the Tonight Show, and they just launched into a french kiss in the middle.. I would be turned off for sure. I don't believe they are homosexuals, but even so.. do what you want behind closed doors. Are you so insecure about your sexuality that you have to validate it everytime you're in a public performance? I've talked about my beef with the music. I despise listening to crap everytime I turn on the radio, I despise seeing pop stars on magazine covers, television shows, internet sites, calendars, posters and everywhere else. I wish they would all just fuckin' DROP DEAD and let the good times roll.

[Toneybeen]

Tatu is apparently an amalgamation of two Russian words, meaning "This one loves that one".

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by idealdiscountdude
Really?

I read is some articles on uk.yahoo.com/news a few weeks ago that the video was filmed in Russia, 3 years ago when they were first starting out, when the girls were 14.

Discountdude is CORRECT.

They WERE 14, and it was filmed just over a couple of years ago...14 IS the age of consent in Russia.

[Mike]

I never knew they were 14 when they shot that video, but it doesn't bother me. What's the big deal if two 14 year old girls are kissing and touching eachother? It's not like that doesn't happen in real life. Hell, kids are having sex and making out at 11, or even younger. You can be in love at 14, and the video is trying to show that they are in love, no matter what anyone else thinks. It really doesn't bother me...

[Psychocandy]

Originally posted by Mike
I never knew they were 14 when they shot that video, but it doesn't bother me. What's the big deal if two 14 year old girls are kissing and touching eachother? It's not like that doesn't happen in real life. Hell, kids are having sex and making out at 11, or even younger. You can be in love at 14, and the video is trying to show that they are in love, no matter what anyone else thinks. It really doesn't bother me...

Granted...this does happen in real life. However, I get the feeling that the video was made not as a political statement in support of lesbianism as a lifestyle of choice. It was, I suspect, made to titilate and i'm sorry...i'm not really comfortable with that entire idea. It doesn't just step over the line of what I think is acceptable in terms of using sexual imagery to sell a product. I takes a big old leap over that line into what I consider to be totally inappropriate and unnacceptable territory. But hey...that's just my opinion. Anyone agree...disagree?

[Mike]

Originally posted by Psychocandy
Granted...this does happen in real life. However, I get the feeling that the video was made not as a political statement in support of lesbianism as a lifestyle of choice. It was, I suspect, made to titilate and i'm sorry...i'm not really comfortable with that entire idea. It doesn't just step over the line of what I think is acceptable in terms of using sexual imagery to sell a product. I takes a big old leap over that line into what I consider to be totally inappropriate and unnacceptable territory. But hey...that's just my opinion. Anyone agree...disagree?

Well, I must disagree. I think it's just showing their love for one another, and how they are all they need and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. And they were kissing and holding hands and touching eachother, it's not like they were fucking, so I wouldn't really call it inappropriate. But whatever, everyone has their own opinion and each person perceives things differently. I do find it funny though how people never have a problem with kids/teens 14 and under kissing if they are a boy and a girl, but god forbid it be two people of the same sex, then it's just wrong and inappropriate.

[Psychocandy]

Originally posted by Mike
Well, I must disagree. I think it's just showing their love for one another, and how they are all they need and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. And they were kissing and holding hands and touching eachother, it's not like they were fucking, so I wouldn't really call it inappropriate. But whatever, everyone has their own opinion and each person perceives things differently. I do find it funny though how people never have a problem with kids/teens 14 and under kissing if they are a boy and a girl, but god forbid it be two people of the same sex, then it's just wrong and inappropriate.

You've misjudged why I find it inappropriate. I don't for a second believe that the people responsible for the video or even for the existence of the band itself give a rats ass about presenting anything like a serious statement about two young adults in a loving lesbian relationship. I believe that they are just adhering to the age old theory that if you can surround the product you are selling with some kind of controversy then you can cut your advertising costs by about 60-70% as the media will do your advertising for nothing. That's what has happened here. Nothing more...nothing less. It's nothing new.

Oh...and I don't have a problem with teens exploring their sexuality. It's all part of growing up and discovering who you are. I do suspect though that these two girls aren't actually lesbians and that their Manager and record company are manipulating them in the name of making a shitload of money. An amount that is far greater than any sum the girls themselves will ever see. That is offensive, but again, nothing new.

[idealdiscountdude]

Originally posted by Mike
Well, I must disagree. I think it's just showing their love for one another, and how they are all they need and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. And they were kissing and holding hands and touching eachother, it's not like they were fucking, so I wouldn't really call it inappropriate. But whatever, everyone has their own opinion and each person perceives things differently. I do find it funny though how people never have a problem with kids/teens 14 and under kissing if they are a boy and a girl, but god forbid it be two people of the same sex, then it's just wrong and inappropriate.

Honestly, I do not like seeing anybody, regardless of age or sexuality kissing in public. A peck on the cheek or lips is fine, but kissing in front of others in public just bothers me. I really hate PDA....I don't do it, and I don't like seeing others do it.

My problem with TATU is the image that their company is projecting. IMO it's kiddie porn. They were 14 when they made the video and IMO when watching it, I see them as 14. I'm 20 years old, and it feels wrong for me to watch the video. It's different I assume for somebody closer to that age.

It's really sad that these girls are being sold as underage meat on the music market. It's disgusting, degrading, and IMO morally wrong. The man behind the girls has admitted to trying to reach an older male audience with these girls. Fucking sick.

I've said it many times before, I like their song, its a catchy lil pop ditty but their image sickens me and I'd rather just hear them and not have to look at them.

[Mike]

I don't consider it kiddie porn if they aren't even having sex. They are kissing, what's the big deal? And while watching the video I won't even think of them as 14, I'll think of them as the age they are now. I mean, what difference would it make if you were 50 and they were 18!? They would be MUCH younger than you, and to you they would be kids, so would you still consider it kiddie porn?

I'll admit, I don't care for public displays of affection either, but if it's on TV then it's a different thing. I don't consider that to be a public display of affection. It's just like watching a freakin' movie with actors kissing or having sex.

And I still don't buy all of this crap about them using the lesbian image to sell albums. If anything I'd think it would turn a bunch of people off to them, other than the lesbian/gay/bi group. Their album isn't even doing that good in the US, so obviously the lesbian image doesn't work. I honestly think their album would have sold a little better if it wasn't for the lesbian image. Sure, controversy can sell, but it all depends on the kind of controversy, and I think the lesbian image is having the opposite affect and causing their CD to not sell as well.

[JustOneFix]

Originally posted by idealdiscountdude
[My problem with TATU is the image that their company is projecting. IMO it's kiddie porn. They were 14 when they made the video and IMO when watching it, I see them as 14. I'm 20 years old, and it feels wrong for me to watch the video. It's different I assume for somebody closer to that age.

It's really sad that these girls are being sold as underage meat on the music market. It's disgusting, degrading, and IMO morally wrong. The man behind the girls has admitted to trying to reach an older male audience with these girls. Fucking sick.

[/B]

It's completely beyond me how kissing between two 14-year-old girls can be classified as kiddie porn. I guess my upbringing is so different that I'm operating out of a completely different mindset than most people on these boards. I highly respect everybody's opinion, but some things I just fail to comprehend.

I should add that the record company isn't breaking any laws by projecting the girls' image. In their homecountry, 14 is the age of consent, and that enables people to enjoy greater civil liberties. Russian porn laws are very liberal, and the record company is merely functioning within the existing socio-political climate. Laws are made by the Parliament and they reflect the society's attitudes. The point I'm driving at is that IT IS LEGAL. Most European countries are the same way and that explains why the girls never got in trouble in, say, Sweden. The legality of the record company's actions makes their manager nothing but a shrewd businessman in the proper old-fashioned sense of the word.

Discountdude, please explain to me like I'm a 2-year-old why do you see them as victims of exploitation when they are the ones going platinum? How can you deny somebody the wonderful opportunity to put together some cash? Isn't that what capitalism is all about? Also I'm curious whether you find regular porn offensive, degrading, and morally wrong to watch. I'm not seeking confrontation, I'm just curious to know.

[electriclite]

TATU is just basically selling lesbianism as a cheap gimmick, in fact its not really lesbianism at all. Lesbianism is a serious way of life. People lose friends and family when they decide to be openly gay. These girls aren't portraying any sort of lifestyle, it's just innuendo and cheap titilation much like Christina Aguilera, except Christina is at an age now where she can make the choice to be "ho-ish" these girls aren't. To these girls the coquettish kissing is all just a game, like things are with most kids, and they are kids.To me this is just the continuation of our continuing mainstreaming of porn. This is all just potential "jerk off" material.


If these girls are able to actually form a career for themselves without their boss, then that's great, but no matter what the laws are in any country involving what a minor is, I think we can all agree that it is pretty easy for an adult man to take advantage of a 14 year old, right?

[idealdiscountdude]

Originally posted by JustOneFix
It's completely beyond me how kissing between two 14-year-old girls can be classified as kiddie porn. I guess my upbringing is so different that I'm operating out of a completely different mindset than most people on these boards. I highly respect everybody's opinion, but some things I just fail to comprehend.


To be honest, if the girls were just kissing I wouldn't care. However it is the fact that they are making out, groping in the rain, wearing catholic school girl uniforms. That gets to me. Sure they were the age of consent in Russsia at the time they made the video, but it still doesn't help me out in dealing with the fact that they were 14 years old when they made the video. Add on to the fact that the mastermind behind the group has proudly stated that he aimed to attract not just teens with TATU, but also the older male group to. From the way I was brought up I find that to be despicable and wrong.


Discountdude, please explain to me like I'm a 2-year-old why do you see them as victims of exploitation when they are the ones going platinum? How can you deny somebody the wonderful opportunity to put together some cash? Isn't that what capitalism is all about? Also I'm curious whether you find regular porn offensive, degrading, and morally wrong to watch. I'm not seeking confrontation, I'm just curious to know.

I'm not trying to deny them an oppurtunity to make cash. There are far better and less sleazy ways to do so in the music industry. Look at Mandy Moore. She started out when she was 14 singing pop ditty's. Yes, she was a product just like Tatu are, however Mandy was aimed at the target age group, pre-teens and teenagers. I feel that it is just wrong to sell Tatu in such a manner that is both a sham (As they are no lesbians) and as sexual objects to 50 year olds. There are far better and moral ways in which the group could be sold as.

And on the porn issue, I'm not a fan and yes I do think that alot of porn is degrading to women, its so obvious that it is.

[BakeTheMooCow]

Originally posted by Mike
And while watching the video I won't even think of them as 14, I'll think of them as the age they are now.
So its OK to look at the video now that the girls are 18? If two 14 year-olds are kissing and it is captured on video.. it doesn't matter how long after that you watch it.. they are still 14 IN THE VIDEO. I had no idea that they were so young when the video was made, but now that I do know.. I'm really really disgusted. 14 is no age for seeing two girls kiss, fondle each other, even look at them in revelaing clothes.

I'm with idealdiscountdude on this one. Selling these teens as lesbians is a sleazy marketing policy thats immoral and wrong.

[BadCoverVersion]

I didn't really want to get involved in this debate, I feel very strongly about the subject-matter...but alas, I seriously feel the need to say something.

I read an interview with Tatu's manager, and I have to say...I was fucking disgusted.

From The Sun Newspaper...Read the FULL article here. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003061831,00.html)

Ivan Shapovalov, creator and manager of Tatu, rejects the pedophile label, but says openly that the target audience is older men in search of "underage entertainment." Billed "Nabokov's envoy on Earth" by the Russian newspaper Kommersant, he confesses he got the idea for Tatu after looking at popular Internet pornography.

"I got the idea of Tatu from market research. I saw that most people look up pornography on the Internet and of those, most are looking for underage sex. I saw their needs weren’t fulfilled. Later, it turned out, I was right. This is the same as my own desires. I prefer underage girls."

When asked if he slept with underage girls himself, Shapovalov replied: "It doesn’t matter if I have or haven’t. I don’t remember."


This is clear-cut EXPLOITATION. These girls were poor, uneducated CHILDREN...and they were offered a lucrative alternative. Realistically, they could not refuse.

It's atrocious, they are being marketed as titillation for the sexually-depraved masses. It's fucking abhorrent...and I'm afraid I shall not be buying into this vile shit.

We're talking about two beautiful teenage girls here!!! They're being used and abused like pieces of fucking meat, and Christ knows what damage it is doing.

Hmmm, I really don't want to continue my tirade...because I'm pretty sure that most people will think I am overreacting, but there you go...THAT is my take on the subject...:(

[BakeTheMooCow]

You're not overreacting. Thats some sickening shit. Boycotting is a strong word, but I'm gonna do my part by not contributing to his nasty scheme. I'm stupefied.

[Nate6]

That is absolutely disgusting! I'm horrified, I can't believe people are allowing this to happen. Ugh...

[Mike]

Originally posted by JustOneFix
It's completely beyond me how kissing between two 14-year-old girls can be classified as kiddie porn. I guess my upbringing is so different that I'm operating out of a completely different mindset than most people on these boards. I highly respect everybody's opinion, but some things I just fail to comprehend.

I should add that the record company isn't breaking any laws by projecting the girls' image. In their homecountry, 14 is the age of consent, and that enables people to enjoy greater civil liberties. Russian porn laws are very liberal, and the record company is merely functioning within the existing socio-political climate. Laws are made by the Parliament and they reflect the society's attitudes. The point I'm driving at is that IT IS LEGAL. Most European countries are the same way and that explains why the girls never got in trouble in, say, Sweden. The legality of the record company's actions makes their manager nothing but a shrewd businessman in the proper old-fashioned sense of the word.

Discountdude, please explain to me like I'm a 2-year-old why do you see them as victims of exploitation when they are the ones going platinum? How can you deny somebody the wonderful opportunity to put together some cash? Isn't that what capitalism is all about? Also I'm curious whether you find regular porn offensive, degrading, and morally wrong to watch. I'm not seeking confrontation, I'm just curious to know.

I'd have to agree with you... People need to make money, and if these girls want to do this and aren't being forced against their will, then more power to them. There's nothing wrong with acting sexy and making big $$$ in return. Hell, I'd do it. I actually think it might be kind of fun to be an exotic dancer to make some extra $$$. Hell, you make big bucks for dancing and having drunk people put money down your pants. It sounds like some easy cash to me. Granted, that's not what I'd want to do with my life, but it sounds like a very easy way to make some extra cash and I don't think there's anything wrong with it.


Originally posted by BakeTheMooCow
So its OK to look at the video now that the girls are 18? If two 14 year-olds are kissing and it is captured on video.. it doesn't matter how long after that you watch it.. they are still 14 IN THE VIDEO. I had no idea that they were so young when the video was made, but now that I do know.. I'm really really disgusted. 14 is no age for seeing two girls kiss, fondle each other, even look at them in revelaing clothes.

I'm with idealdiscountdude on this one. Selling these teens as lesbians is a sleazy marketing policy thats immoral and wrong.

No, I didn't say it was "OK" to look at it now just because they are 18. I just find it hard to picture them as 14 when I watch the video, I still think of them as being 18.

[Mike]

Originally posted by idealdiscountdude And on the porn issue, I'm not a fan and yes I do think that alot of porn is degrading to women, its so obvious that it is.


Personally, I don't see the porn issue as a big deal and I don't think it degrades women. If people want to make porn and be in porn, then let them, and if people want to watch porn, then let them. I don't see how people can think that a porno degrades all women, because if anything it would just degrade the women in it, it wouldn't speak for all women. And then what about gay porn!? Would you say that is degrading to men!? No, you probably wouldn't, because you never hear someone say "porn is degrading to men." You always hear crap like "porn is degrading to women." Personally, I think that whole degrading thing is bullshit. It's not degrading anyone... And if that is considered degrading then wouldn't watching animals have sex on the discovery channel be degrading to animals!? We shouldn't be watching animals have sex, because then we'll just see them as sexual objects :rolleyes:.

Ideal, I have nothing against you at all so I hope you don't take what I said the wrong way. I still think you are a kick ass schmoe, but I just fail to see how porn is so degrading. Porn stars certainly don't reflect every woman and man on this earth. Now if it was watching people brutally kill other people for real, then I'd have a big problem with it and I couldn't watch, but porn is pretty harmless. If people don't like it, then they don't have to watch it, but if people do want to watch it or star in it, then let them.


Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
I didn't really want to get involved in this debate, I feel very strongly about the subject-matter...but alas, I seriously feel the need to say something.

I read an interview with Tatu's manager, and I have to say...I was fucking disgusted.

From The Sun Newspaper...Read the FULL article here. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003061831,00.html)

Ivan Shapovalov, creator and manager of Tatu, rejects the pedophile label, but says openly that the target audience is older men in search of "underage entertainment." Billed "Nabokov's envoy on Earth" by the Russian newspaper Kommersant, he confesses he got the idea for Tatu after looking at popular Internet pornography.

"I got the idea of Tatu from market research. I saw that most people look up pornography on the Internet and of those, most are looking for underage sex. I saw their needs weren’t fulfilled. Later, it turned out, I was right. This is the same as my own desires. I prefer underage girls."

When asked if he slept with underage girls himself, Shapovalov replied: "It doesn’t matter if I have or haven’t. I don’t remember."


This is clear-cut EXPLOITATION. These girls were poor, uneducated CHILDREN...and they were offered a lucrative alternative. Realistically, they could not refuse.

It's atrocious, they are being marketed as titillation for the sexually-depraved masses. It's fucking abhorrent...and I'm afraid I shall not be buying into this vile shit.

We're talking about two beautiful teenage girls here!!! They're being used and abused like pieces of fucking meat, and Christ knows what damage it is doing.

Hmmm, I really don't want to continue my tirade...because I'm pretty sure that most people will think I am overreacting, but there you go...THAT is my take on the subject...:(

Well, I didn't read the actual article since I simply don't care enough to, but from what I read that you posted I will say that the guy sounds pretty sleazy, but so are a lot of people in the entertainment industry. All managers want to give their stars an image, and really one sleaze is no different from the other.

No matter what, I still like their lyrics and think they stand for something positive, despite all of this crap going on between these two girls and their manager. It certainly isn't enough for me to stop liking them. I think they are talented, and I'm still a big fan. Now if they start murdering animals in their next video, I'll start protesting against them, but as of now, I think they are kick ass ;).

[Corporal_Hicks]

That article proves me correct.

They were a creation of their manager's voyeurism.

[idealdiscountdude]

Originally posted by Mike
Personally, I don't see the porn issue as a big deal and I don't think it degrades women. If people want to make porn and be in porn, then let them, and if people want to watch porn, then let them. I don't see how people can think that a porno degrades all women, because if anything it would just degrade the women in it, it wouldn't speak for all women. And then what about gay porn!? Would you say that is degrading to men!? No, you probably wouldn't, because you never hear someone say "porn is degrading to men." You always hear crap like "porn is degrading to women." Personally, I think that whole degrading thing is bullshit. It's not degrading anyone... And if that is considered degrading then wouldn't watching animals have sex on the discovery channel be degrading to animals!? We shouldn't be watching animals have sex, because then we'll just see them as sexual objects :rolleyes:.

Ideal, I have nothing against you at all so I hope you don't take what I said the wrong way. I still think you are a kick ass schmoe, but I just fail to see how porn is so degrading. Porn stars certainly don't reflect every woman and man on this earth. Now if it was watching people brutally kill other people for real, then I'd have a big problem with it and I couldn't watch, but porn is pretty harmless. If people don't like it, then they don't have to watch it, but if people do want to watch it or star in it, then let them.


Honestly, my porn remark was only an answer to JustOneFix's comment on the topic.

Anywho, from my perspective porn is degrading to the women in them, and I would assume to gay men in porn videos as well. Also porn I would say is degrading for women as some sick, anti-social, pornaddicted guy may think that all women are like that and should be treated like those women in porn films.

Porn in general is degrading to the human race. People making money to have sex, and for alot of pornstars unprotected sex. unprotected sex between hundreds of partners can mean high risks of getting HIV/AIDS and STD's.

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I'm sorry but the act of ejaculating on somebody's face in itself is degrading.

It's funny that you mentioned the porn issue though. A few weeks ago on ABC"s PRIMETIME LIVE they had a special on young women entering the world of pornography. It was a riveting and gut-wrenching study. It profiled three women, two of which opted out of the business after a few months. on the otherhand on egirl decided to stick with it and today she is a huge pornstar.

Anywho the girl was loving the money, she flew to Europe to star in her own gangbang film, her first headlining film. When she got there, she hung out with her male costars and began to date one of them. Anywho they were just supposed to be having sex and stuff, the usual for the porn film. In the particular scene her and this guy she was seeing were supposed to be just going at it. They were doing the deed when he grabbed her head violently started to pull her hair, he spat on her face, and started to get really rough. This came as a total shock to her and she was upset. PRIMETIME LIVE showed a blocked version of the scene without sound and you can actually see the tears running down her face.

The girl stated that she does it for the money and she likes the people, yet she feels really dead inside, yet she still does it. She also stated that female pornstars, in order to keep on getting parts, must subject themselves to acts in which they do not want to do, but have to do in order to make it in the business. Yes they are personal choices, but still they are degrading to women, and I also assume gay men.

The girl has since become a huge pornstar. She is also a huge coke addict to she admitted. She talked about how she has been subject to numerous humiliating acts, but she does drugs to help herself relax.

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The porn industry has been known in the past as being a horrible profession for women to be in. The past few years has seen improvements reports state, but there is still alot of work to be done in order for women to be treated correctly and in a less degrading way.

Former pornstars even try and dissuade women from entering the business!

No hard feelings Mike...its great to have debates! but if you want to discuss the "porn" issue further with me, just PM me dude

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by Mike
Well, I didn't read the actual article since I simply don't care enough to, but from what I read that you posted I will say that the guy sounds pretty sleazy, but so are a lot of people in the entertainment industry. All managers want to give their stars an image, and really one sleaze is no different from the other.

No matter what, I still like their lyrics and think they stand for something positive, despite all of this crap going on between these two girls and their manager. It certainly isn't enough for me to stop liking them. I think they are talented, and I'm still a big fan. Now if they start murdering animals in their next video, I'll start protesting against them, but as of now, I think they are kick ass ;).

I urge you to read the article...it is "enlightening", to say the least.

The fact is...these girls don't STAND for anything. They only serve to represent ALL that is wrong within the entertainment industry. They have been abused and manipulated, there is NO question about that.

The Tatu girls have been plucked from an impoverished background and influenced by a sexual deviant. That much is true. I'm quite appalled, and melodramatic as it might seem...extremely fucking saddened.

My viewpoint has NOTHING to do with homophobia. I am an extremely tolerant, open-minded individual. If anything, we need MORE positive gay role-model's within the entertainment world.

I don't know...:(

I really can't get my head around this...

If you ADMIRE and RESPECT these young ladies, I advise you to read that article.

[JustOneFix]

Regarding the article posted earlier...May I remind you guys that the Sun is a leading British tabloid. We all know how this kind of press works, right?

[BadCoverVersion]

Can I just add...

Pornography doesn't bother me in the slightest, providing the "actors" (and I use the term loosely...;)) are consenting adults.

People make their choices in life, if they choose the path of cum-shots and bad 'taches then so be it.

I do not support or condone ANY form of abuse, but some people actually ENJOY working within the porn industry. Lets face facts, mature adults are entitled to do as they wish (providing they are not mistreating others).

We cannot police everything, but we must attempt to protect the vulnerable, and in this case...that would be CHILDREN.

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by JustOneFix
Regarding the article posted earlier...May I remind you guys that the Sun is a leading British tabloid. We all know how this kind of press works, right?

Eh!?

This comes from a two-part EXCLUSIVE interview. It isn't idle gossip or speculation.

He has actually spoken about it since...

[idealdiscountdude]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
Can I just add...

Pornography doesn't bother me in the slightest, providing the "actors" (and I use the term loosely...;)) are consenting adults.

People make their choices in life, if they choose the path of cum-shots and bad 'taches then so be it.

I do not support or condone ANY form of abuse, but some people actually ENJOY working within the porn industry. Lets face facts, mature adults are entitled to do as they wish (providing they are not mistreating others).

We cannot police everything, but we must attempt to protect the vulnerable, and in this case...that would be CHILDREN.

I agree with you BCV, although porn isn't my fave genre of film, at least like you said they are consenting adults.

(I was just trying to show all of the negative aspects in order to support my case ;) but I also agree with everything I said)

When it comes down to it though, pornography is a very touchy subject. Many different opinions on the topic)

By the way, your last comment about protecting the children was spot on!

[AngelaHayes]

Those poor girls are just pawns in a game played by sleazy men (and women - i don't want to be sexist here b'cos it's not just men who are into that shite) who like underrage girls having sex. I'd heard of the girls and seen their video but i never realised they were 14!!! That's just wrong, wherever your from.

[JustOneFix]

Thanx to discountdude for detailed aswers and to Mike for support. I think I got too involved with this thread defending freedoms and it's time for me to give it a rest.:)

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by idealdiscountdude
By the way, your last comment about protecting the children was spot on!

It's just sad that many people would deem me irrational, melodramatic, prudish for making that particular statement.

I'm all for sex, drugs and good tunes, but there comes a time when we've got to WAKE the FUCK up!!!

This is immoral, and not in the righteous biblical sense.

It's just bloody wrong.

[idealdiscountdude]

Originally posted by JustOneFix
Thanx to discountdude for detailed aswers and to Mike for support. I think I got too involved with this thread defending freedoms and it's time for me to give it a rest.:)

You're welcome man!

:D

[SwimFan87]

http://www.taty.us/media/photoalbum/bgtatu467.jpg
t.A.T.u

i love this girls from "ta.t.u." wich does means "She loves her". Lena(red hair) & Yulia(balck hair) form this duet. There new cd is really good and that song "all the things she said" does stay in your head.I like all the songs from the cd even the ones that are in russian. The only song i don't like is "30minutes" because is so soft and the other ones are hard if you know what i mean. I'm not sure if they are lesbians because they always say "everyone thinks were lesbians, but we just love each other" ppl say that this is just for publicity so who knows.. :p
http://www.taty.us/media/photoalbum/bgtatu464.jpg

[Mike]

Originally posted by idealdiscountdude
Honestly, my porn remark was only an answer to JustOneFix's comment on the topic.

Anywho, from my perspective porn is degrading to the women in them, and I would assume to gay men in porn videos as well. Also porn I would say is degrading for women as some sick, anti-social, pornaddicted guy may think that all women are like that and should be treated like those women in porn films.

Porn in general is degrading to the human race. People making money to have sex, and for alot of pornstars unprotected sex. unprotected sex between hundreds of partners can mean high risks of getting HIV/AIDS and STD's.

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I'm sorry but the act of ejaculating on somebody's face in itself is degrading.

It's funny that you mentioned the porn issue though. A few weeks ago on ABC"s PRIMETIME LIVE they had a special on young women entering the world of pornography. It was a riveting and gut-wrenching study. It profiled three women, two of which opted out of the business after a few months. on the otherhand on egirl decided to stick with it and today she is a huge pornstar.

Anywho the girl was loving the money, she flew to Europe to star in her own gangbang film, her first headlining film. When she got there, she hung out with her male costars and began to date one of them. Anywho they were just supposed to be having sex and stuff, the usual for the porn film. In the particular scene her and this guy she was seeing were supposed to be just going at it. They were doing the deed when he grabbed her head violently started to pull her hair, he spat on her face, and started to get really rough. This came as a total shock to her and she was upset. PRIMETIME LIVE showed a blocked version of the scene without sound and you can actually see the tears running down her face.

The girl stated that she does it for the money and she likes the people, yet she feels really dead inside, yet she still does it. She also stated that female pornstars, in order to keep on getting parts, must subject themselves to acts in which they do not want to do, but have to do in order to make it in the business. Yes they are personal choices, but still they are degrading to women, and I also assume gay men.

The girl has since become a huge pornstar. She is also a huge coke addict to she admitted. She talked about how she has been subject to numerous humiliating acts, but she does drugs to help herself relax.

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No hard feelings Mike...its great to have debates! but if you want to discuss the "porn" issue further with me, just PM me dude


Well, I definitely don't agree with what happened to that girl you mentioned. BUT, as long as violent acts like that don't happen then I don't see anything wrong with it. People usually know what they're getting themselves into when they decide to be a porn star, and if they don't like doing porn then they don't have to do it. YOU are the only one who can control what YOU do.

As for the not using condoms issue: Pretty much all professional pornos require their stars to use condoms now. And if they happen to be doing a scene or movie without condoms, then I'd imagine they have to get tested first. Most directors make sure their stars are comfortable with what they are doing.

Anyway, as long as they are adults, then they can make their own decision and do what they want. Of course, if it was kids in the porno, I'd have a problem with it.


Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
I urge you to read the article...it is "enlightening", to say the least.

The fact is...these girls don't STAND for anything. They only serve to represent ALL that is wrong within the entertainment industry. They have been abused and manipulated, there is NO question about that.

The Tatu girls have been plucked from an impoverished background and influenced by a sexual deviant. That much is true. I'm quite appalled, and melodramatic as it might seem...extremely fucking saddened.

My viewpoint has NOTHING to do with homophobia. I am an extremely tolerant, open-minded individual. If anything, we need MORE positive gay role-model's within the entertainment world.

I don't know...:(

I really can't get my head around this...

If you ADMIRE and RESPECT these young ladies, I advise you to read that article.

I do agree that their should be more positive gay role-model's in the entertainment industry, and unfortunately, TATU doesn't look like they are it. BUT, I do still have respect for their positive lyrics and think they stand for something, despite the two actual young ladies and their sleazy manager. But I still don't hate them, I have no reason to hate them, just because their manager is a creep I won't take it out on them.

I think they should get a new manager though. But they are 18, and they can do whatever they want. If they want to keep their manager, then so be it.

Also, have the girls actually said themselves that they aren't lesbians? Because if so I'd like to read what they said. Until then, I'm not going to say if they are or aren't lesbians, because we don't know for sure. They could have been lesbians before their manager got ahold of them, and then maybe he just decided to go with the flow and market them as such.

[Martha]

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[SteveSzyk]

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[Annie Hall]

Out of morbid curiosity, I downloaded this song. I'm here to sadly report...it's got no substance, no mind, no intelligence, very few signs of raw talent....and I've listened to it 3 times and do not forsee myself stopping any time soon.:(

[Mike]

Originally posted by Annie Hall
Out of morbid curiosity, I downloaded this song. I'm here to sadly report...it's got no substance, no mind, no intelligence, very few signs of raw talent....and I've listened to it 3 times and do not forsee myself stopping any time soon.:(

Haha, I love it Annie! It got you hooked too. I told you it was fucking catchy.

[NuclearMisfit]

I just listened to one of there songs called "There not gonna get us" or something of that order and man is it ever so catchy. damn im hooked. lesbians are so intriguing.

[Annie Hall]

Originally posted by Mike
Haha, I love it Annie! It got you hooked too. I told you it was fucking catchy.

Dammit Mike! What's next?! Kissing Jessica Stein?! ;)

[thedarklamb]

Originally posted by notchreturns
As for their skills... um, what skills? It was so obvious they were lip-singing the entire song, it hurt.

I just saw them sing live on Mad Tv this past Saturday. I'm pretty sure they were not lip synching. It was a damn fine performance. They sang All the Things She Saids and it sounded 2x better than the cd.

[Mike]

Originally posted by Annie Hall
Dammit Mike! What's next?! Kissing Jessica Stein?! ;)

Haha! Trust me Annie, watch Kissing Jessica Stein and you can thank me in the morning ;).

[Mike]

I just found out a little while ago that they are going to be on Last Call With Carson Daly tonight. I'm tired but I'm trying VERY hard to stay awake. Damn, I got awhile to go yet. If I make it, I definitely plan on taping this performance as well.

[Gregorious8]

I saw an interview with them on E! channel this morning, and I have to say they come off as rude brats to say it nicely. The interviewer was trying to be kind to them, but at the end he blew up on them.

[Mike]

I watched and taped their performance on Last Call With Carson Daly last night and while it was similar to their performance on Leno (same clothes even), it still kicked ass. Plus, they were allowed to get a little more "intimate" on Last Call during their performance. I really like the cute small one. But the red head has a nice chest that bounces up and down during their performances. Sorry to sound like a pig, because I'm really not, I swear ;), but I just can't help but notice. Anyway, I dig them both.

[screamer581]

Hah, did they make out as usual Mike?

[Mike]

Originally posted by screamer581
Hah, did they make out as usual Mike?

They didn't heavily go at it, but they did touch lips and eachothers face and hair. Nothing pornographic or anything, but some nice "light" stuff. Plus, they showed several clips from the "All The Things She Said" video throughout the show, where they kissed and stuff.

[TATU]

Originally posted by Mike
I watched and taped their performance on Last Call With Carson Daly last night and while it was similar to their performance on Leno (same clothes even), it still kicked ass. Plus, they were allowed to get a little more "intimate" on Last Call during their performance. I really like the cute small one. But the red head has a nice chest that bounces up and down during their performances. Sorry to sound like a pig, because I'm really not, I swear ;), but I just can't help but notice. Anyway, I dig them both.
You're not?? But I could've sworn.Oh well whatever.

[Raw Chili]

Well I like it, it's catchy, i'm hooked, I downloaded it, and I was listening to the song before it cuaght on because I watch wrestling and one of the woman wrestler's Victoria has it as a theme. Good stuff.

[Mike]

God, I've heard "ALL THE THINGS SHE SAID" so many times and I'm still not sick of it. I listen to the CD all of the time. They even have a new single on the radio called "NOT GOING TO GET US." It's the #2 most requested song on the local radio station, it has been for a few weeks. It's the first song on the CD and it kicks ass. I know pretty much all of the songs by heart and even when I'm not listening to the CD will very often get the songs in my head. God, I just love TATU and the CD kicks ass.

And their CD is in the top 100 too, it has been moving up the chart more and more. So ha, TATU is catching on. How could you not love them? ;)

[NeuGenX]

Originally posted by Mike
A friend of mine told me to listen for this song on the radio because it was really good, but the only problem is that it's played on the stations I usually don't listen to. But one night I was flipping through radio stations and they were playing the top 5 requested songs on a pop music station, so I decided to listen for the hell of it to see if that song was in the top 5. Well, it actually was and I ended up really digging it, and now I've been listening to that station all of the time just so I can hear this kickass song. But after hearing it a few times I started really listening to the lyrics and to me it sounded like a lesbian song, but it just couldn't be, I was probably just misunderstanding the lyrics because they probably wouldn't play that on this radio station. But then when I was searching for TATU on the net it showed up on a list of "favorite lesbian music," so was it just a coincidence or is this really lesbian music?

Hmm, from the lyrics I'd be willing to bet that this is lesbian music, but decide for yourself, here's the lyrics:

All the things she said
All the things she said
Running through my head
All the things she said
All the things she said
Running through my head
This is not enough

I'm in serious s--t, I feel totally lost
If I'm asking for help it's only because
Being with you has opened my eyes
Could I ever believe such a perfect surprise?

I keep asking myself, wondering how
I keep closing my eyes but I can't block you out
Wanna fly to a place where it's just you and me
Nobody else so we can be free

All the things she said
All the things she said
Running through my head
All the things she said
All the things she said
Running through my head
This is not enough
This is not enough

All the things she said
All the things she said

And I'm all mixed up, feeling cornered and rushed
They say it's my fault but I want her so much
Wanna fly her away where the sun and rain
Come in over my face, wash away all the shame
When they stop and stare - don't worry me
‘Cause I'm feeling for her what she's feeling for me
I can try to pretend, I can try to forget
But it's driving me mad, going out of my head

Mother looking at me
Tell me what do you see?
Yes, I've lost my mind

Daddy looking at me
Will I ever be free?
Have I crossed the line?


I really don't care either way because the song kicks ass, it's very catchy and I plan on buying the CD that comes out December 10th, it's called "200 KM/H in the wrong lane." I just hope the rest of the CD is as good as the song "All The Things She Said."

What does everyone else think?

I think the funny part is the way the song is written it's up to interpretation based on WHO sang it.

If Tom Jones sang it it would be about a guy running around with a young girl.

If some teen king sang it it would be about a non-legal guy running around with a teacher or Mom's friend.

It could also pass for an inter-racial song.

Hell, if a a Jewish singer sang it it could be about him loving a non-Jewish girl.

Since it was a young girl who sang it it was about lesbians but who knows where the future may lie with cover versions :)

[Jewbo]

i read a very interesting and convincing artic about how they are the most punk rock thing to happen since the sex pistols. not so much coz of the music but cuz of the atatude and i have 2 say i kinda agree.

[TATU]

Yes, think about it. Malchik Gay. Sounds a little too much like "my chick gay", for me.

[TATU]

Originally posted by NeuGenX
I think the funny part is the way the song is written it's up to interpretation based on WHO sang it.

If Tom Jones sang it it would be about a guy running around with a young girl.

If some teen king sang it it would be about a non-legal guy running around with a teacher or Mom's friend.

It could also pass for an inter-racial song.

Hell, if a a Jewish singer sang it it could be about him loving a non-Jewish girl.

Since it was a young girl who sang it it was about lesbians but who knows where the future may lie with cover versions :) If Marilyn Mansosn sang it it could be about running around with some random street whore and then sacrificing her to Satan. Open to interpretation is right.

[thedarklamb]

Originally posted by TATU
Yes, think about it. Malchik Gay. Sounds a little too much like "my chick gay", for me.


Whenever I see the word Malchik I always think of A Clockwork Orange.....fine young Malchik. I think the song sounds like "My Chickie."

[Mike]

Originally posted by NeuGenX
I think the funny part is the way the song is written it's up to interpretation based on WHO sang it.

If Tom Jones sang it it would be about a guy running around with a young girl.

If some teen king sang it it would be about a non-legal guy running around with a teacher or Mom's friend.

It could also pass for an inter-racial song.

Hell, if a a Jewish singer sang it it could be about him loving a non-Jewish girl.

Since it was a young girl who sang it it was about lesbians but who knows where the future may lie with cover versions :)


You are dead on. It really can be interpreted as pretty much anything. It all depends on who's singing it. That's why I'm sure it's going to have cover versions in the future, and it doesn't matter who sings it, because it can be taken pretty much any way.


Originally posted by TATU
If Marilyn Mansosn sang it it could be about running around with some random street whore and then sacrificing her to Satan. Open to interpretation is right.

LOL! ;)


Originally posted by thedarklamb
I think the song sounds like "My Chickie."


EXACTLY! Same here... Ever since I first heard the song when I got the CD, I've thought the same thing. It sounds pretty much exactly like "My Chickie." I can listen to it around pretty much anyone that isn't really familar with their music, like a lot of my family members, and they don't think anything of it. They don't even think it says "gay," I'm sure they think it says "my chickie."



Anyway, I saw the music video for "NOT GOING TO GET US" tonight on Much Music (Fuse), and it was alright, but I thought it could have been quite a bit better. I liked the video for "ALL THE THINGS SHE SAID" much better... As for TATU though, I'm fucking hooked. The CD pretty much never leaves my CD player unless I leave and I take it with me. I listen to it all the time, especially when I clean house or something. I wish they would start having TATU posters for sale in stores now, screw all of the Britney Spears posters. If I see a TATU poster at the store or somewhere, I will no doubt buy it.

[TATU]

Is it just me or does t.A.T.u. seem to be like some kind of gothic--ish Britney Spears. They stole their entire look from Britney after her "OOPS I did it Again" video. Whadda ya think???

[The Postmaster General]

From what I understand, these girls aren't actually lesbians. I only mention this because I keep seeing their names associated with lesbians, and it seems to not be correct.

They are pushing for a "love everyone" thing.

Also, am I correct in understanding that they were manufactured. In that, they were both recruited by a producer Ivan Shapovalov, who strangely enough is being accussed of pedophillia?



So, how's their music? I've never heard anything myself.

[thedarklamb]

Originally posted by Mike

EXACTLY! Same here... Ever since I first heard the song when I got the CD, I've thought the same thing. It sounds pretty much exactly like "My Chickie." I can listen to it around pretty much anyone that isn't really familar with their music, like a lot of my family members, and they don't think anything of it. They don't even think it says "gay," I'm sure they think it says "my chickie."




Cool, something else we agree on Mike! I'm glad I'm not alone with the "My Chickie" thing. I also have the CD on constant rotation ever since I bought it. My fav songs are "Stars" and "Show Me Love" [Extended Version] but every song on there is eXcellent.

~Later!

[Mike]

Originally posted by thedarklamb
Cool, something else we agree on Mike! I'm glad I'm not alone with the "My Chickie" thing. I also have the CD on constant rotation ever since I bought it. My fav songs are "Stars" and "Show Me Love" [Extended Version] but every song on there is eXcellent.

~Later!


Show Me Love is really good... I also love ALL THE THINGS SHE SAID (obviously ;)) and NOT GOING TO GET US. But I like them all...

[edlover691]

Originally posted by CeMeTaRy_GaTeS
Ya, I thought these lesbians and some idiot make up Russia's music scene:

click below to view idiot:
http://www.illmitch.com/

I think that was the saddest and weirdest thing I have ever heard, but it was worth the time to listen. I have not laughed like that in a while.... thanks

[Mike]

Damn, I talked to a friend and he said they performed last night on the MTV Movie Awards. I didn't want to watch because the MTV Movie Awards suck now, and I knew who all of the sucky winners were already anyway. But damn, I wish I would have known they were going to be on there. Oh well, it will rerun a million times, so I'll keep my eye out for it. When it is on, I will definitely tape their performance.

[thedarklamb]

Originally posted by Mike
Damn, I talked to a friend and he said they performed last night on the MTV Movie Awards. I didn't want to watch because the MTV Movie Awards suck now, and I knew who all of the sucky winners were already anyway. But damn, I wish I would have known they were going to be on there. Oh well, it will rerun a million times, so I'll keep my eye out for it. When it is on, I will definitely tape their performance.

Yeah, it was cool. They put on a major show. The MTV awards was pretty "as usual" but had it's moments...Yoda and Golem's acceptance speaches. :D

[badberry]

Wow, I just stumbled onto this thread now, and some of the things I read in here came as quite a shock. The fact that the girls were 14 in the video almost floored me and I now feel the urge the run to the shower and cleanse myself for having enjoyed the video. I'm sorry, but that is just WRONG in every sense. This video was obviously made to be sexual and to "appeal" to men in the same fashion as Britney, Christina etc. Only difference is, these girls were 14 frickin years old! I have a feeling that if that fact were more well known that video would've been pulled a long time ago due to complaints.

Also that article about the manager gave me the creeps too....what a scumbag. People like him really make me sick. BCV I'm with you all the way on that one. Recruiting 14 year olds to kiss each other and pretend to be lesbians so that middle aged perverts (and the manager himself!) can get off is disgusting. This is a man I would punch if I met him. I urge everyone to read the article that BadCoverVersion posted. Its shocking to say the least.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003061831,00.html


I have to admit, the music is damn catchy...but that doesn''t excuse anything. I have no hate towards the girls themselves, but I can't believe how much they are being exploited.

Saying this music stands for being tolerant for all types of love or stands for anything for that matter is crap. You really think these girls even had anything to do with writing these songs? Please. This band stands for nothing but selling records and creating controversy.

Whew. Sorry if I've come on a bit strong, but reading this really got me going.

[badberry]

One more thing:

It was mentioned 14 is the age of consent in Russia. I've been informed that it is also the age of consent here in Canada too...personally I find that barbaric. My sister is 14 years old and to me she still seems like a little kid...unbelievable.

[g05]

yawn.

next please.

[badberry]

Very intelligent.

Yes, I know this is old news, but you have to understand, I was not aware of most of it until very recently, so it's still quite a shock to me.

Or perhaps this doesn't bother you at all? Care to explain why? The fact that this Ivan guy is getting away with it, and making shitloads of money off these girls will only encourage more stuff like this to happen in the future....and where do you draw the line?

[Mike]

I saw a good chunk of the awards today since they were being rebroadcast. I think I might have missed the first hour, or maybe less, but I don't mind. Since I didn't miss TATU's performance, I got to see the most important thing. So, out of what I saw, the BEST was of course TATU's kick ass little number. It was FUN FUN FUN! The best musical performance I saw, and easily the highlight of the show. I'm upset I didn't have a tape ready :(. However, I have one ready now, and when it is aired again, their performance will be mine, all mine. I'm going to tape it right after the other performances of theirs I've taped.

[JustOneFix]

Originally posted by badberry

Or perhaps this doesn't bother you at all? Care to explain why? The fact that this Ivan guy is getting away with it, and making shitloads of money off these girls will only encourage more stuff like this to happen in the future....and where do you draw the line?

Your questions will most likely be answered in another TATU thread. Check it out:

http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51796

[Mike]

I came across this funny little parody of the song "All The Things She Said" and thought I would share it with everyone. It's just lyrics though, in case anyone is expecting more. You can check it out here: http://www.amiright.com/parody/2000s/tatu15.shtml

I found it kind of funny and think I might just have to start singing this version for fun ;).


Does anyone know if a new T.A.T.U. CD will be coming out? I want more. I also wish a T.A.T.U. DVD would come out, with music videos, concerts, etc... If one did, I would buy it right away.

In the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly, that talks about the BEST/WORST of 2003, T.A.T.U. was named "Best Fake Lesbian Act," while Britney and Madonna were named "Worst Fake Lesbian Act."

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Mike



Does anyone know if a new T.A.T.U. CD will be coming out? I want more. I also wish a T.A.T.U. DVD would come out, with music videos, concerts, etc... If one did, I would buy it right away.



I doubt this is true, but my sister who used to be a huge fan said that they broke up and they are no longer singing together. It also seems that the whole T.A.T.U. phenomenon in itself has ended, because no one seems to care about them. I never got the whole deal myself as neither of them are hot or even cute and they are not talented.

[Mike]

TATU FOR PRESIDENT?

Check this out:

Russian lesbian pop duo Tatu just can't help but stir up trouble in their home country. Russia has already had to endure the dubious success of the two girls and their scandalous, dyke-infused music both at home and abroad. Now Yulia Volkova and Lena Katina have caused a new uproar by campaigning to become the co-rulers of Russia. The eighteen & nineteen year old lesbian lovers want to be president - together, come election time in March. Although you actually have to be 35 to be eligible, the girls say they qualify because they are running together and their combined ages meet the minimum requirement. Tatu's spokesperson says the girls are running together because "we cannot separate the girls." We say if Ronald Reagan can be President of the U.S., and Arnold can be governor of California, anything is possible.


Nope, it's no joke, even if it sounds like one. Anyway, I really don't care either way. I like them, and if they won, that would be cool, however, it will NEVER happen. I highly doubt a bunch of people are going to vote for a couple of young girls that are a couple. I can just picture a bunch of older people voting for lesbians (whether they are or not)...


"ALL THE THINGS SHE SAID, ALL THE THINGS SHE SAID, RUNNING THROUGH THE PRESIDENCY, RUNNING THROUGH THE PRESIDENCY...." ;)

[Invincible]

Dude, why do you keep bumping this thread, No one cares about TATU.

[Nate6]

That only proves TATU's complete brainlessness.

NOT GONNA GET US...NOT GONNA GET US...NOT GONNA GET US

God, their shrill voices sound like chainsaws ripping through sheet metal, and their awful, cheap Russian videos and weird fake lesbo act continue to annoy me.

I'd say GO AWAY TATU but what's the point?

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Invincible
Dude, why do you keep bumping this thread, No one cares about TATU.

Exactly!!!

[Mike]

Originally posted by Invincible
Dude, why do you keep bumping this thread, No one cares about TATU.

Well, bause it's TATU news, and this is a TATU thread, so instead of making a whole new one for that news, I just put it in here. If you don't care about TATU, then you simply don't have to visit this thread ;).

[Sad man]

Originally posted by Invincible
Dude, why do you keep bumping this thread, No one cares about TATU.

There are lots of TATU fans and Mike is one of them. There are people that actually wanna know what's going on with these two russian lesbians. If you don't care about them, just don't come to the thread. I'm not telling you to stay out of it of course, you are free to go anywhere you want, but if you don't like them at all and you don't care about them, I don't see your interest in here. I don't wanna sound rude or anything, I just wanted you to know that there are people that like TATU and that you should respect them. That's all...

I kinda like TATU. But those news are dumb! ;)

[The Heart Collector]

If there ever was a "thread in which post amount was inversely proportional to interest", this one would knock the competition down.