Punks Where Are You???

[I_am_the_way(HR]

i'v bine looking around lately and i have notected that is not that many punkers or people trying to be that different out here. there has bine more punk bands then there was awile ag(or that is what i think,i just found a hole bunch from my friend) and i love them, but i ask aloto of people about what kind of music they like and the say "punk" but it turns out that they mean SUM 41 and Blink 182. which are not punk at all. punk is a political massage to the people and telling the truth about life, not "I lost my girlfriend, i am really sad" oh bo ho :( sorry i amgoing on a rant so i will just leave it at this. if there are any people out there that now REAL PUNK BANDS tell me and we will have a discution (witch is what this bour is for) and tell me new or old punk bands, WITH POLITICAL MESSAGES, sorry rant again

bye

[countchocula]

I agree that Sum 41 and Blink 182 are hardly punk, but punk doesn't necessarily have to be politically-inclined. I guess it just depends on your definition of punk. Me, I'm not so sure that I have one. By no means am I a punk expert, but I'd like to think that I "get" it. Currently, a favorite of mine is Bad Religion. Stranger Than Fiction is fairly addictive. The Offspring's Ignition also tickles my fancy. Their recent work has been uninspired to say the least. I wish I could mention some obscure acts, but as I said, I'm not an expert in this field.

[BubbaStrangelove]

The punk remains in my high school year book. He is still inside me, only wiser, and better dressed.

Trying to be different - those words should never be formed in that pattern.

And the Descendents were very, very non-political albeit that occassional social commentary. DK was very political, but isn't Too Drunk Too Fuck the sort of song that you mocked earlier?

So, you liked SLC Punk didja?

Considering your views about punk needing a message, I'm curious to how real of a punk band you consider the Ramones.

[Grebdron]

We're not going to get into a discussion again about what is "really" punk, are we. I think the whole concept of "punk" really died out in the 80's. It is not about "being different", cause I bet you dress just like your other "punk" friends. And talk the same, and do the same things for fun.

Anyway, do you want some older punk? Black Flag, The Dead Kennedy's, The Angry Samoans, The Ramones, etc. Those might tickle your fancy.

I think by your definition, the closest band in recent memory might be Rage Against the Machine. I know nobody considers them punk, but they've got political and social commentary coming out their ass. And they're pretty fucking talented musicians as well.

[I_am_the_way(HR]

to countchocula

i dont have a deffinet view of punk i think it is what ever you think it is and if it works for you then go for it, i will not dissagry with you. Bad Religon is one of my favorit punk bands, or for others political punk bands. i think that Anti-Flag is one of the best punk bands out today, but that is just my opinon.

to BubbaStrangelove

the Ramones Question is a good one, i have bine dibating that with myself alot(im not crazy) i think they helped with the punk meaning and the rebelion part of it and the individual of it but as if you look @ punk as political i say no to Ramones of the songs i have heard they are not political. there are many aspects of punk i think it is what ever you think it is or it is they eye of the beholder. me i like political songs and the DK songs that are political i think are guinius ex: kinky sex makes the world go round. granted it is not a actcual song but it is still really cool. i do agrey with you that punk is not just a fachine and it is in the mind, but i just ment that alot of people in my school try to look
like every one else but there are afue people that try to make a different look for themselves and i think that is really brave of them to be so different, it inspires me to try harder.

to Grebdron

sorry if you already went throw a discution like this but i hope it wont be exactilly like it, that will be up to you people i just put something out there.
punk did not die out in the 80's it has never acually died it was just not publisised by the media, the mentality has always bine around since the beginging of time.
i have never heard of The Angry Samoans so i will check them out thanks.
no i don't think that Rage was punk persay but they were really political and i loved them. to bad they slit up:(

thanks for all you post i apreciat it

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by I_am_the_way(HR
to Grebdron
sorry if you already went throw a discution like this but i hope it wont be exactilly like it, that will be up to you people i just put something out there.

I'm not coming down on you, IATW. We just went through "what is really punk" in a thread in the RANT section about Avril Lavigne. Good reading if you want to check that out. I think punk is much more in the mind than an appearance, or an attitude. I was very much a punk, pretty much all the way through the 80's (I'm probably significantly older than you). But it had nothing to do with green hair, piercings, a mohawk, etc. Nothing really even to do with the music I listened to. It was just who I was. I was REALLY different than everyone, including my 3 best friends. I'm as white as they come, and I had a Mexican, a long haired stoner, and a punker, complete with the mohawk, as my best friends. We were completely different from each other, and from everybody else. I wore Oxford shirts, slacks and topsiders, cause I thought I looked good in them. I kept my hair short and clean cut, again because I thought I looked best that way. I was always polite to both my parents, and all the other adults I came in contact with. But I was the most rebellious son-of-a-bitch you'd ever run across.

Closing, I think punk is more of a thought process than anything else.

[I_am_the_way(HR]

to Grebdron

i think that is really cool that you had or still do have such diverse friends in the way that they look. people that juge people on the way that thaey look is just a very close minded way of look ing at the world.
if you noticed on the other post to the people i sad that punk is in the eye of the beholder it is not a look it is in the mind and so is rebelion they both are in the mind.


to anyone that has seen SLC

there is a amazing quot in SLC Punk that i cant remember right now but it is near the end when Steve-O was talking to Brandy about that rebelion is in the mind

mabe people that have seen the movie can help me out
:p

[I_am_the_way(HR]

hey BubbaStrangLove

this is off the topic but the pic that u have under you name what is it from, it look quite odd????

same goes for Grebdron and countchocula

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by I_am_the_way(HR
hey BubbaStrangLove

this is off the topic but the pic that u have under you name what is it from, it look quite odd????

I think Bubba's picture is one of the paintings from The Royal Tenenbaums. I might be mistaken, so don't quote me.

P.S. I've actually always been very non-discriminatory. Odd actually, because I grew up in an all white trash town. But now my family is quite diverse. My step-family is black, my girlfriend is Mexican, my sister is gay, and my nephew is half Mexican. Who the hell would I be to judge anyone?

[Jason Voorhees]

In my opinion, actively trying to be different only negates your own inherent individuality. I do agree with Greb though, about punk being more in the mind rather than the countenance; the man knows his stuff.

I also understand your critique regarding the litany of current bands that do nothing to innovate or differentiate from the ubiquitous, ignoble pop-punk sound that Green Day perfected years ago. Unfortunately, similar to Countchocula, I'm not erudite on punk either. I've heard good things about NOFX and Guttermouth though, but I bet you've already heard them.

P.S. Bad Religion is cool.

P.S.S. Personally, I enjoy some of the pop/punk stuff, it's just nothing groundbreaking.

[I_am_the_way(HR]

Jason Voorhees

i enjoy some pop punk to. Simple Plan is growing on me some Blink and the new Sum 41 Still Waiting i think it is called is really good. i like alot of different music i am not a fucking Hardcore Punk i just really enjoy the music it is my favoriet types of music.

P.S: Jason Voorhees you use alot of commplicated words you must have a big vocabulare to get word like "ubiquitous" into a sentence

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by I_am_the_way(HR
same goes for Grebdron and countchocula

I didn't see you ask about mine and countchocula's avatars before. I have no idea what mine's from. I found a pretty cool site with avatars, and like anybody mooning the viewer. Countchocula's I believe is from Mystery Science Theater 3000. If I'm not mistaken the character's name was Tom Servo? It's the show that used to be on Comedy Central where ostensibly this guy and his two robots were trapped in space and forced to watch the worst B movies ever made, while they made smart ass comments about them. The show was a riot.

[I_am_the_way(HR]

Grebdron

man you must know alot about alot to know things like that

[I_am_the_way(HR]

P.S i am not sucking up to eather of you i am just stating

[Jason Voorhees]

Originally posted by I_am_the_way(HR
P.S i am not sucking up to eather of you i am just stating

No worries, dude. Thanks for the compliment.

[electriclite]

Punk, as people knew it back in the late 70's and early 80's, died because it choked to death on its own elitist rules. For a movement that prided itself on breaking the rules it sure had pretty stringent rules its followers had to abide by in order to be considered punk.

Nowadays, most "punks" seem to be more about their clothing than actually music.

To me punk is more of an inner attitude than a tattered uniform that people put way to much work into. You should not have to "try to be different". If you're different than that's it, its just natural, there should be no force involved.

The best scene in SLC Punk to me, is when Lillard is describing his more straight-laced looking friend who wears only Dockers, dress shirts and glasses and pretty much says he just as much punk as the guys with baby pins in their nose.

Punk is just a state of mind.

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by I_am_the_way(HR
Grebdron

man you must know alot about alot to know things like that

Actually, I know a little about a lot. I don't know alot about anything. But I know EVERYTHING about BubbaStrangelove. MMMMWWWWHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/evilgrin/evilgrin07.gif

[I_am_the_way(HR]

electriclite

i completly agrey with you that back then it was there way or no way and that now it is becoming a fachine and it saddens me that they don't look at the music because it is great.

my favorite parts of SLC is when Steve-O talk about possers in the mall or when he trys to explane fighting when thay are fighting the readneaks

[I_am_the_way(HR]

Grebdron

how, that is kind of creepy, unless he is you and you have tow names or you sizophrenic(cant spell it)

[Romero&Juliet]

umm.. imo, the Ramones are The Archetypal 'political' band...Of course both the term 'punk' and the notion of politically inclined pop-music (which is in itself a freaking contradiction!) are VERY broad weazel and used to explain Quite a bit nowadays..

They Suceeded in blowing their contemporaries out of the water with something that was just SO freaking radical and F R E S H..

Political. in the sense that its savy pop music, dealing with the Politics of the Current (and past) market trends.. I sincerely doubt that Anti-flag has ever instigated any freaking rallies.. especially ones involving Phil spector...!

You want political.....

well there's always... PHIL OCHS! ...how freakin' exciting..

[Grebdron]

I have moles in all the right places.;) He does like ugly women, though. So he's definitely not me.

[countchocula]

Originally posted by Grebdron
Countchocula's I believe is from Mystery Science Theater 3000. If I'm not mistaken the character's name was Tom Servo?

Close! Correct show, incorrect character. You're thinking of Crow. But this is forgivable since both Servo and Crow kick an equal amount of ass.

Anyway, I concur with what has already been established in this thread. Punk isn't a fashion statement; it's a mindset. The same goes for those who consider themselves to be "goth" just because they wear black lipstick and a dog collar. No one should put that much effort into being an individual. Being unique really isn't an exhausting practice. Your words and actions should speak for themselves. About the recent pop/punk hybrids, I'm oblivious to most of it. I think what bothers me the most about it is that it sounds happy. The melodies, the riffs, it's all sugar-coated. Maybe the lyrics aren't jubilant, but I've never been one to pay much attention to lyrics (I listen to both P.O.D. and Cannibal Corpse if that tells you anything). I know that complaining about "happy" melodies is somewhat narrow-minded, but for whatever reason, I've always been drawn to solemn music.

[bowieee]

Originally posted by I_am_the_way(HR
i'v bine looking around lately and i have notected that is not that many punkers or people trying to be that different out here. there has bine more punk bands then there was awile ag(or that is what i think,i just found a hole bunch from my friend) and i love them, but i ask aloto of people about what kind of music they like and the say "punk" but it turns out that they mean SUM 41 and Blink 182. which are not punk at all. punk is a political massage to the people and telling the truth about life, not "I lost my girlfriend, i am really sad" oh bo ho :( sorry i amgoing on a rant so i will just leave it at this. if there are any people out there that now REAL PUNK BANDS tell me and we will have a discution (witch is what this bour is for) and tell me new or old punk bands, WITH POLITICAL MESSAGES, sorry rant again

bye

The Ramones where one of the fathers of punk and they arnt very political and had tons of songs about girls.

[docholiday_13]

I think the term "punk" has been bandied about so much over the past ten years, that it has lost all meaning. Pop punk. socal punk, skate punk, emo punk. There has to more spin off genres to punk than any other genre. Now you have little kids listening to Avril and Blink just assuming they are punk. This of course makes the try hard punks pissed as fuck. Thus creating a whole shouting match in which people argue about who is the real punk.

I always believed that if you needed to declare yourself punk, you were missing the point. It isn't about the clothes and the attitude. It's about the music and rejection of comformity. Or a political stance that uses it to reach out to people that would otherwise not know about it. And sometimes it's just about rocking hard to loud abbrasive noise.

The 70's English punk remains the best stuff. The Clash and The Pistols set the benchmark. The Ramones showed it could be fun and simple. Bad Religion is probaly the best of the past twenty years. Right now my fave punk bands are Good Riddance, Rancid, NOFX and MXPX.

I don't think punk is dead. It's simply branched out into different genres.

[BubbaStrangelove]

My picture is from the painting Bad Route by Miguel Calderon. It is featured in the movie The Royal Tenenbaums, which , if you ask me, is a movie that very much envokes the "punk spirit"


Punk is not dead.

What Winona Ryder did, that was punk.

Ozzy Osborn throwing hams at his neighbors -- that's punk.



I think many older people will claim that punk music has lost it's meaning in today's society. It's sort of been phased out by gangster rap, and life. Thug life, in particular.

Punk is very much a spirit. The reason we have punk rock is because for a period of time, that spirit was showing up in music.



And yes, "Kinky Sex Makes The World Go Around" - is that the retread of California Ubber Alas, where he is talking about Reagan? If so, very astute song.

To me though, punk is about spitting in the other guys coffee because he deserved it.


Check out the Royal Tenenbaums, whose main character, Royal - a 70 some year old man in an akward suit and glasses who may just be the biggest punk anyone has seen.

[stevereno]

ACK! i hate current music! all my friends love it and i just wanna smack em! thank god im traped in the 80's or else i would have to teun a gun on myself.

SHIVER ME TIMBERS

[electriclite]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
My picture is from the painting Bad Route by Miguel Calderon. It is featured in the movie The Royal Tenenbaums, which , if you ask me, is a movie that very much envokes the "punk spirit"


Check out the Royal Tenenbaums, whose main character, Royal - a 70 some year old man in an akward suit and glasses who may just be the biggest punk anyone has seen.


Gotta agree with you on that one Bubba. I find Andersen's films flowing with a witty undercurrent of punk. HOw else can you explain giving Danny Clover a powedered wig and putting him in a cerulean blue suit witha yellow tie!?

[Corpse Candle]

I can only say from what I have learned from punk and from the people I have been thaught by but this is what I think.
At least in Britian punk was born like an abonormal child due to the state of music at the end of the seventies and the reign of maragreat thatcher.
Oppresion,recssion,and down right feeling of hoplessness in a dull and mean spirited country created the conditions for punk in the U.K to thrive.
I don't care for the argument that THE NEW YORK DOLLS were THE punk band yeah the had a punk band but they suffered from a glam rock hang over and to me this pinned them back to the seventies just a tad too much.
The U.S.A picked up the tourch and ran with it out stripping other punk bands of thier time THE DEAD KENNDY'S,MINOR THREAT,BLACK FLAG are names that ignite the U.S punk scene at that time.
Now I find the U.K lost touch with punk as soon as the rage went out of the scene and money started taking over (not neccserly selling out however).
As for the U.S well they seemed to pump out good bands for a time but now and for the last ten years it's all too clean and pretty boy.
Atari teenage riot,Rancid a couple of bands with the right credentials to make it on my punk list but it's all too few and far betwien.
In my mind it's a matter of wait and see maybe in the U.K at least some gangly group of fifthteen years might say "Fuck this gareth gates shite lets just play some music to growl at" and hey presto we may see the next sex pistols.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by Corpse Candle
In my mind it's a matter of wait and see maybe in the U.K at least some gangly group of fifthteen years might say "Fuck this gareth gates shite lets just play some music to growl at" and hey presto we may see the next sex pistols.


Let's remember that the Sex Pistols were a band that were put together ala the Spice Girls, and that all they left behind was spit, attitude and a morbid punk legend called Sid and Nancy.


And not to pull rank or start some aggressive music war between our British Schmoes and American Schmoes, but the Ramones came before the Sex Pistols, so somebody was taking cues off of somebody.;)

[I_am_the_way(HR]

Originally posted by electriclite

"the Sex Pistols were a band that were put together ala the Spice Girls."



what does that mean?????

[Grebdron]

Originally posted by I_am_the_way(HR
Originally posted by electriclite

"the Sex Pistols were a band that were put together ala the Spice Girls."



what does that mean?????

That means that a producer put together a band that he thought would sell. The Ramones, as much as they might have been punk, could very well be considered one of the first "boy bands."